What We Talk About When We Talk About God: A
By Rob Bell
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How God is described today strikes many as mean, primitive, backward, illogical, tribal, and at odds with the frontiers of science. At the same time, many intuitively feel a sense of reverence and awe in the world. Can we find a new way to talk about God?
Pastor and New York Times bestselling author Rob Bell does here for God what he did for heaven and hell in Love Wins: he shows how traditional ideas have grown stale and dysfunctional and reveals a new path for how to return vitality and vibrancy to how we understand God. Bell reveals how we got stuck, why culture resists certain ways of talking about God, and how we can reconnect with the God who is with us, for us, and ahead of us, pulling us forward into a better future—and ready to help us live life to the fullest.
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Compelling argument…
In down-to-earth terms — full of pop culture examples and new interpretations of old scripture — Bell compellingly argues that God isn’t outdated, but that our ways of thinking about God are.
Rob Bell
Rob Bell is a New York Times bestselling author, speaker, and spiritual teacher. His books include Love Wins, How to Be Here, What We Talk About When We Talk About God, Velvet Elvis, The Zimzum of Love, Sex God, Jesus Wants to Save Christians, and Drops Like Stars. He hosts the weekly podcast The Robcast, which was named by iTunes as one of the best of 2015. He was profiled in The New Yorker and in TIME Magazine as one of 2011’s hundred most influential people. He and his wife, Kristen, have three children and live in Los Angeles.
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- Rating: 4 out of 5 stars4/5Bell writes in such a straight-forward manner that leaves little question or debate on what he's really saying. That's one of the things I like about his books. While nothing in this book is as radical as the material in 'Love Wins', this book covers and important subject that, I think, often gets overlooked. It was an enjoyable read that asks some good questions and makes some good points.
- Rating: 4 out of 5 stars4/5There is plenty to chew on in this book but I do have to say it is probably not as good as "Love Wins." Still there is food for reflection and I especially enjoyed the sections where he marries spiritual understandings to quantum physics. He is not the first theologian I have read who has broached this subject and favorably compared understandings of quantum physics to a deeper understanding of God and creation but he is probably the most readable. Definitely worth a read.
- Rating: 4 out of 5 stars4/5Rob Bell reminds me of one of my first camp counselors at Camp Wesley Pines who told me you can be a Christian and still have fun as he proceeded to put gummy worms up his nose. He' also creatively shared life, love, and gospel, which is exactly what Rob does in his books. Bell creatively communicates a basic introduction of a God we can all understand with some brief words. The first two are Be Open and Both describing the current tension of a surface level understanding of science and religion with a richer undercurrent of both science and religion while also reminding the reader to be open to the possibilities. At the end of the largest section of the book he has a reminder that it doesn't have to be either/or. It can very well be both/and. Next he teases with an excellent overview of God by reminding us that God is With Us, For Us, and Ahead of Us. Lastly, he invites the reader into this exploration of seeing and experiencing God in this new framework with an afterword called So (think So What). What he introduces is not new or cliche in fact I've used and heard many of these in sermons/messages in recovery and church for quite some time; however he does craft the message in a way that is inviting and inspiring to seek God now and always.
- Rating: 4 out of 5 stars4/5I believe what Rob Bell has to say is so important for anyone to read regardless if they are from the traditional school of religious thought (as I am) or are acknowledged non-believers. Bell provides so much food for thought. I've heard some call Bell "dangerous" and others call him "a modern day saint." Probably somewhere in between, but he is nonetheless provocative. And, I think that whatever you believe, it should be questioned on a regular basis; perhaps that will make your belief stronger, or it may steer you in a different direction completely. It's the search that should never be forgotten.Actually what Bell has to say isn't that new to me. Many years ago, I took a very insightful Bible course called the Bethel Series [...], a non-denominational series which uses the Bible as a textbook and uses an historical approach to the Hebrew-Christian heritage of faith studying the Bible in the historical context in which it was written. It doesn't assume that you have give up your reasoning in order to be a Christian. We learned to "think like a Hebrew". Bell also wants us to learn to think in new ways, to recognize that not everything can be explained by logic, and that things are much more than a sum of the parts. The God that Bell wants us to meet anew is one that has always been with mankind and will always be regardless of time, location, culture, or theology.I am a life-long "traditional" Lutheran church-goer. To me, this book is not a condemnation of traditional belief, but it is an invitation to explore and think anew.I give this 4 stars rather than 5 due to what I would call a "flippant" writing style in some places. The book reads more like a conversation or speech interspersed with attempts at humor. But I am that traditionalist who likes nice neat structured paragraphs. But I realize that Bell is attempting to reach a much broader audience than old English teachers. However, the message is strong enough for me to easily overlook that modernistic approach of writing.
- Rating: 5 out of 5 stars5/5Rob Bell dares to imagine a God that doesn’t just care about a select few, but loves all the creation that He called ‘good.’ Perhaps it’s time for you too to question the rigid, modern and western ways of viewing the Creator that we treasure so dearly, and embark on a journey to find whom this God really is. If you are questioning dogmatic faith but still feel a pull towards the Divine, this book is a must read!
- Rating: 2 out of 5 stars2/5The author's intent is clearly very positive, and I loved the book for that inspiring energy, but, based on what I was looking for, this was not the book for me. The theologic reasoning doesn't even scratch the surface of the main themes around "God" already handled centuries ago by the great spiritual thinkers, not only Christian ones like the Fathers of the Church, but Muslim and Hindu too. After reading "The experience of God" by David Bentley Hart, I have to be honest, this felt like drinking watered-down Pepsi after having had a glass of Chateau Brion Graves 1975.
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What We Talk About When We Talk About God - Rob Bell
PREFACE TO THE SPECIAL EDITION
I’m thrilled you’ve picked up this new edition of my book What We Talk About When We Talk About God. There’s a good chance you’re reading this because you’ve come across my work through the Life You Want tour or one of my projects with the OWN network. So before we go any further, I want to give you an idea of where I’m coming from.
I was at a birthday party recently and I met a man who’s a rocket scientist. It turns out that he’s not just your average rocket scientist, he’s in charge of pretty much everything we put into space. It was, as you can imagine, fascinating to talk with him. At one point in our conversation he was explaining how there are certain characteristics required for a planet to sustain life and from what he knows, he’s confident that we’ll find life on other planets in the near future. He said this like it’s the most straightforward, sensible thing in the world. Or other worlds, for that matter. He then leaned in and looked me in the eyes and said
And that, Rob, will be devastating for the Christian faith.
Which wasn’t what I was thinking.
I was thinking, Wow, that would be amazing.
I tell you about this fascinating man at this birthday party because of his assumption that the discovery of life on other planets would be a threat to faith.
He isn’t alone. Lots of people in our world see faith as stuck, rigid, narrow, behind, unable to cope with the new discoveries and challenges of our modern world.
I don’t see it that way. If your faith is threatened by something that’s true, then it wasn’t much of a faith to begin with, was it?
As I reflect on my work over the past fifteen years, I’m struck with how central the importance of discovery and exploration have been to my understanding of faith. In my first book, Velvet Elvis, I described a Velvet Elvis painting that I got in college. In the lower left hand corner the artist painted the letter R with a period next to it. Imagine if R had announced that there was no more need to paint because R had come up with the ultimate painting. That’s crazy, because we understand that art is about exploring and discovering and constantly creating something new. You’re never done painting. The same is true with faith—you’re never done learning and growing and evolving. The moment things become static, frozen, stuck, you’ve lost something central to what it means to have faith.
Jesus called disciples to follow him, and a disciple is a student. For many of us, our understanding of a student is shaped by the modern classroom where the goal is often to learn the facts and then regurgitate them back on the exam or in a paper. But in the first century, a disciple was someone who was learning how to do what their teacher did. It wasn’t just about the mind and what you knew, it was about your entire life, about you learning how to live in the world in a certain way.
I find this understanding incredibly freeing, and I want people to pick this up in my writing. I see myself as a student, learning the Jesus way, doing my best to put what I’m learning into words for others. We don’t have to understand it all or have all the answers: that’s one of the first assumptions of a student. You’re learning, and you’ll always be learning. So when you don’t get it right the first time, you take it easy on yourself because you’re learning. And whatever you have learned, there will always be more. That’s where the thrill is, the surprise, the joy—there’s always something new around the corner.
There’s a great line from one of the New Testament letters that goes like this:
All things are yours . . .
I love that line. It’s such a big, buoyant, beautiful, affirming view of the world. Wherever you find truth, wherever you discover something new, affirm it, embrace it, enjoy it. We will always be hungry to make sense of things, always looking for meaning and connection and depth in our experiences. Faith is here to stay, the question is what kind of faith will people have. I want us all to have faith big enough to handle whatever challenges come our way and open enough to celebrate whatever new discoveries we make in this world. Or other worlds.
I hope that you pick up this sense of wonder and joy in my work.
June 2014
CHAPTER 1
HUM
I realize that when I use the word God in the title of this book there’s a good chance I’m stepping on all kinds of land mines. Is there a more volatile word loaded down with more history, assumptions, and expectations than that tired, old, relevant, electrically charged, provocative, fresh, antiquated yet ubiquitous as ever, familiar/unfamiliar word God?
And that’s why I use it.
From people risking their lives to serve the poor because they believe God called them to do it, to pastors claiming that the latest tornado or hurricane or earthquake is God’s judgment, to professors proclaiming that God has only ever been a figment of our imagination, to people in a recovery meeting sitting in a circle drinking bad coffee and talking about surrendering to a higher power, to musicians in their acceptance speech at an awards show thanking God for their hit song about a late-night booty call, when it comes to God, we are all over the place.
Like a mirror, God appears to be more and more a reflection of whoever it is that happens to be talking about God at the moment.
And then there are the latest surveys and polls, the ones telling us how many of us believe and don’t believe in God and how many fewer of us are going to church, inevitably prompting experts to speculate about demographics and technology and worship style and this generation versus that generation, all of it avoiding the glaring truth that sits right there elephant-like in the middle of the room.
The truth is, we have a problem with God.
It’s not just a problem of definition—what is it we’re talking about when we talk about God?—and it’s not just the increasing likelihood that two people discussing God are in fact talking about two extraordinarily different realities while using the exact same word.
This problem with God goes much, much deeper.
As a pastor over the past twenty years, what I’ve seen again and again is people who want to live lives of meaning and peace and significance and joy—people who have a compelling sense that their spirituality is in some vital and yet mysterious way central to who they are—but who can’t find meaning in the dominant conceptions, perceptions, and understandings of God they’ve encountered. In fact, those conceptions aren’t just failing them but are actually causing harm.
We’re engaged more than ever by the possibilities of soul and spirit, and by the nagging suspicion that all of this may not be a grand accident after all; but God, an increasing number of people are asking—what does God have to do with that?
I’ve written this book about that word, then, because there’s something in the air, we’re in the midst of a massive rethink, a movement is gaining momentum, a moment in history is in the making: there is a growing sense among a growing number of people that when it comes to God, we’re at the end of one era and the start of another, an entire mode of understanding and talking about God dying as something new is being birthed.
There’s an ancient story about a man named Jacob who had a magnificent dream, and when he wakes up he says, Surely God was in this place, and I, I wasn’t aware of it.
Until now.
The power of the story is its timeless reminder that God hasn’t changed; it’s Jacob who wakes up to a whole new awareness of who—and where—God is.
Which brings me back to this moment, to the realization among an increasing number of people that we are waking up in new ways to the God who’s been here the whole time.
I’m aware, to say the least, that talking about this and writing a book about it, naming it and trying to explain it and taking a shot at describing where it’s all headed, runs all sorts of risks.
I get that.
We’re surrounded by friends and neighbors and family and intellectual and religious systems with deeply held, vested interests in the conventional categories and conceptions of belief and denial continuing to remain as entrenched as those traditional conceptions are. There are, as they say, snipers on every roof. And being controversial isn’t remotely interesting.
But love and meaning and joy and hope?
That’s compelling.
That’s what I’m after.
That’s worth the risk.
The great German scholar Helmut Thielicke once said that a person who speaks to this hour’s need will always be skirting the edge of heresy, but only the person who risks those heresies can gain the truth.
And the truth is, we have a problem—we have a need—and there’s always the chance that this may in fact be the hour.
First, then, a bit more about this God problem . . .
When I was twenty, I drove an Oldsmobile.
Remember those?
It was a four-door Delta 88 and it was silver and it had a bench seat across the front with an armrest that folded down and it fit seven or eight people easily and in a feat of engineering genius the rear license plate was on a hinge that you pulled down in order to fill up the gas tank and the trunk was so huge you could put five snowboards in at the same time or a drum set, several guitar amps, and a body if you needed to. (I’m just messing with you there, about the body.) My friends called it the Sled.
It was a magnificent automobile, the Sled, and it served me well for those years.
But they don’t make Oldsmobiles anymore.
They used to be popular, and your grandparents or roommate may still drive one, but the factories have shut down. Eventually the only ones left will be collector’s items, relics of an era that has passed.
Oldsmobile couldn’t keep up with the times, and so it gradually became part of the past, not the future.
For them, not us.
For then, not now.
I tell you about the Sled I used to drive because for many in our world today, God is like Oldsmobiles. To explain what I mean when I talk about God-like Oldsmobiles, a few stories: my friend Cathi recently told me about an event she attended where an influential Christian leader talked openly about how he didn’t think women should be allowed to teach and lead in the church. Cathi, who has two master’s degrees, sat there stunned.
I got an e-mail from my friend Gary last year, saying that he’d decided to visit a church with his family on Easter Sunday. They’d heard a sermon about how resurrection means everybody who is gay is going to hell.
And then my friend Michael recently told me about hearing the leader of a large Christian denomination say that if you deny that God made the world in a literal six days, you are denying the rest of the Bible as well, because it doesn’t matter what science says.
And then there are the two pastors I know who each told me, within days of the other, how their wives don’t want anything to do with God. Both wives were raised and educated in very religious environments that placed a great deal of importance on the belief that God is good and the point of life is to have a personal relationship with this good God. But both wives have suffered great pain in their young lives, and the clean and neat categories of faith they were handed in their youth haven’t been capable of helping them navigate the complexity of their experiences. And so, like jilted lovers, they have turned away. God, for them, is an awkward, alien, strange notion. Like someone they used to know.
And then there’s the party I attended in New York where I met a well-known journalist who, when he was told that I’m a pastor, wanted to know if all of you pastors use big charts with timelines and graphics to show people when the world is going to end and how Christians are going to escape while those who are left behind endure untold suffering.
I tell you about Cathi sitting there stunned and Gary hearing that sermon and me at that party because whether it’s science or art or education or medicine or personal rights or basic intellectual integrity or simply dealing with suffering in all of its complexity, for many in our world—and this includes Christians and a growing number of pastors—believing or trusting in that God, the one they’ve heard other Christians talk about, feels like a step backward, to an earlier, less informed and enlightened time, one that we’ve thankfully left behind.
There’s a question that lurks in these stories, a question that an ever-increasing number of people across a broad range of backgrounds and perspectives are asking about God:
Can God keep up with the modern world?
Things have changed. We have more information and technology than ever. We’re interacting with a far more diverse range of people than we used to. And the tribal God,
the one that is the only one many have been exposed to—the one who’s always right (which means everybody else is wrong)—is increasingly perceived to be
small,
narrow,
irrelevant,
mean,
and sometimes just not that intelligent.
Is God going to be left behind?
Like Oldsmobiles?
For others, it isn’t that God is behind or unable to deal with the complexity of life; for them God never existed in the first place. In recent years we’ve heard a number of very intelligent and articulate scientists, professors, and writers argue passionately and confidently that there is no God. This particular faith insists that human beings are nothing more than highly complex interactions of atoms and molecules and neurons, hardwired over time to respond to stimuli in particular ways, feverishly constructing meaning to protect us from the unwelcome truth that there is no ultimate meaning because in the end