This is a somewhat chaotic conversation involving Kyle Thiermann (big wave surfer), Mark Healey (surfing legend), Ben Greenfield (fitness guru), and a little bit of me (flabby imposter). It was recorded on the island of Molokai, Hawaii, at the end of a week-long hunting trip. This episode is sponsored by Mud/Wtr, and Santa Cruz Medicinals. (Discount code: CHRIS5) Find me on Instagram or Twitter. Please consider supporting this podcast on Patreon. This Amazon affiliate link kicks a few bucks back my way. Music: “Brightside of the Sun,” by Basin and Range; “Canto para Elewa y Changó,” by Orishas; “Smoke Alarm,” by Carsie Blanton.