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WHAT IS PHASE ANGLE
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USES OF PHASE ANGLE MEASUREMENT
1. BALANCING

2. STRUCTURE MOTION STUDY

3. DETECTION OF RESONANCE FREQUENCY
RUN UP & RUN DOWN BEHAVIOUR
BODE PLOT

4. HEALHINESS OF MATING SURFACES OF TWO VIBRATING MASSESS

5. UNDERSTANDING THE DEFLECTION MODE OF THE SHAFT
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FRONT REAR FRONT REAR
STRUCTURE MOTION STUDY
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STRUCTURE MOTION STUDY
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BASE PLATE
SECONDARY GROUT
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HEALHINESS OF MATING SURFACES OF TWO VIBRATING MASSESS

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UNDERSTANDING THE DEFLECTION MODE OF THE SHAFT
B1
B2
B3 B4
Case Studies
on
Vibration Problems in Steam
Turbine Generators
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HIGH VIBRATION IN
500 MW TG SETS
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HIGH VIBRATION IN 500 MW TG SETS
PROBLEM
HIGH HP FRONT SHAFT AND BEARING PEDESTAL VIBRATION

OBSERVATIONS
(A) FREQUENCY ANALYSIS CARRIED OUT WHICH INDICATED
PREDOMINANT 1-X VIBRATION COMPONENTS FOR BOTH SHAFT AND
BEARING PEDESTAL VIBRATION

STEADY PHASE ANGLE

(B) BEARING PEDESTAL VIBRATIONS AND SHAFT VIBRATIONS WERE
HAVING RISING TENDENCY AT RATED SPEED HOWEVER, THEIR RATIO
WAS FOUND TO BE ALMOST CONSTANT
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ANALYSIS
PREDOMINANT 1-X VIBRATION WITH SLIGHT CHANGE IN PHASE
ANGLE INDICATED THERE WAS UNBALANCE IN THE ROTOR SYSTEM
LEADING TO INITIATION OF MINOR RUB

MAIN SOURCE OF VIBRATION WAS HIGHER DYNAMIC LOADING FROM
THE SHAFT WHICH WAS GETTING TRANSMITTED TO BEARING

ACTION TAKEN
TO REDUCE THE HP FRONT SHAFT VIBRATION LEVEL, INSITU
BALANCING WAS CARRIED OUT USING LP ROTOR BALANCING PLANES

HIGH VIBRATION IN 500 MW TG SETS
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RESULT OF INSITU BALANCING
HP SHAFT VIBRATION BROUGHT DOWN TO STEADY VALUE OF 120
MICRONS, 0-PK FROM EARLIER VALUE OF 150 - 200 MICRONS, 0-PK

HP FRONT BEARING VIBRATION CAME DOWN INITIALLY TO 15
MICRONS, 0-PK AT 3000 RPM FROM EARLIER VALUE OF 25 40
MICRONS, 0-PK

LATER, WITHIN 2-3 HOURS OF OPERATION, HP FRONT BEARING
VIBRATION INCREASED BEYOND ALARM VALUE (35 MICRONS, 0-PK).
DURING THIS PERIOD, NO INCREASE IN SHAFT VIBRATION WAS
OBSERVED
HIGH VIBRATION IN 500 MW TG SETS
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INTREPRETATION OF RESULTS AFTER INSITU BALANCING
AS HP FRONT BEARING PEDESTAL VIBRATION INCREASED, EVEN
WHEN HP FRONT SHAFT VIBRATION WAS CONSTANT, INDICATED THAT
THE CAUSE OF HIGH BEARING PEDESTAL VIBRATION WAS SOME
FACTORS APART FROM UNBALANCE OF THE SHAFT

ANALYSIS DONE
BASED UPON THE VIBRATION BEHAVIOUR OF BEARING PEDESTAL AND
SHAFT VIBRATION, IT WAS DECIDED TO SCAN FRONT BEARING
PEDESTAL BY PORTABLE VIBRATION ANALYSER
HIGH VIBRATION IN 500 MW TG SETS
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RESULTS OF SCANNING OF FRONT PEDESTAL
VIBRATION ON LEFT AND RIGHT HAND SIDE OF FRONT BEARING
PEDESTAL (NEAR HP CASING FRONT PALMS) IN THE VERTICAL
DIRECTION WERE HAVING LARGE VARIATION
(LHS VIBRATION IS ABOUT 5 TIMES MORE THAN RHS VIBRATION)

HP CASING PALM VIBRATION AMPLITUDE IN VERTICAL DIRECTION ON
LEFT AND RIGHT PALM WAS FOUND TO BE OF LOWER MAGNITUDE
AND SAME

SCANNING INDICATED THAT THERE WAS NO PROBLEM WITH BASE
PLATE, SECONDARY GROUT & FOUNDATION MATING SURFACES

HIGH VIBRATION IN 500 MW TG SETS
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HP CASING PAM
(RIGHT HAND
SIDE)
HP FRONT BEARING PEDESTAL
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ANALYSIS
SCANNING DATA INDICATED THAT LOAD DISTRIBUTION BETWEEN
PALMS OF HP CASING WAS NOT PROPER

THERE WAS GAP BETWEEN CASING PALM AND PEDESTAL ON LEFT
HAND SIDE

ACTION TAKEN
0.15 MM SHIM WAS ADDED BELOW LEFT HAND SIDE PALM WHEREAS
0.1 MM SHIM WAS REMOVED FROM RIGHT HAND SIDE PALM FOR
IMPROVING THE LOADING PATTERN OF HP CASING ON PEDESTAL
HIGH VIBRATION IN 500 MW TG SETS
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RESULT OF CORRECTION IN SHIMS
VIBRATIONS ON BEARING PEDESTAL REDUCED FROM 35 MICRONS, 0-
PK TO 15 MICRONS, 0-PK AND NO INCREASING TENDENCY WAS
OBSERVED

HP FRONT SHAFT VIBRATION WAS FOUND TO BE REDUCED FROM 120
MICRONS, 0-PK TO 90 MICRONS, 0-PK AND BEARING VIBRATION
SETTLED DOWN TO 10 MICRONS, 0-PK AT FULL LOAD

RATIO OF LEFT AND RIGHT HAND SIDE VIBRATION ON FRONT
PEDESTAL IN VERTICAL DIRECTION CAME DOWN TO 2:1 FROM
EARLIER VALUE OF 5:1
HENCE, UNBALANCE OF ROTOR SYSTEM & UNLOADING OF
LEFT SIDE PALM WAS FOUND TO BE THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE
HIGH HP FRONT SHAFT AND BEARING PEDESTAL VIBRATION
HIGH VIBRATION IN 500 MW TG SETS
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VIBRATION SCANNING IS A VERY
IMPORTANT TOOL FOR DIAGNOSTICS
PURPOSES

VIBRATION SCANNING SHOULD BE USED AS
FREQUENTLY AS POSSIBLE

IT HELPS IN RULING OUT OR PIN POINTING
CERTAIN DEFECTS
CONCLUSION
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BHEL, POWER SECTOR TECHNICAL SERVICES (HQ), NOIDA

HIGH VIBRATION IN
210 MW TG SETS
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HIGH VIBRATION IN 210 MW TG SETS
BACKGROUND
MACHINE IS OF KWU DESIGN STEAM TURBINE COUPLED WITH LMW
GENERATOR (LP REAR BEARING AND GENERATOR FRONT BEARING IS
LOCATED IN COMMON PEDESTAL)

VIBRATION BEHAVIOUR WAS FOUND TO BE NORMAL DURING FIRST
COMMISSIONING ON ALL BEARINGS AND LATER ON VIBRATION ON
BEARING NO. 4 / 5 PEDESTAL DETERIORATED GRADUALLY BEYOND
ALARM LEVELS (35 MICRONS, 0-PK)


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PROBLEM
HIGH LP REAR BEARING VIBRATION
HIGH GENERATOR FRONT BEARING VIBRATION

OBSERVATIONS
FREQUENCY ANALYSIS CARRIED OUT WHICH INDICATED
PREDOMINANT 1-X VIBRATION COMPONENT FOR BOTH LP REAR AND
GENERATOR FRONT VERTICAL AND AXIAL VIBRATION

VERTICAL VIBRATION AT LP REAR AND GENERATOR FRONT BEARING
WAS OF THE ORDER OF 100 MICRONS, PK-PK

AXIAL VIBRATION WAS ABOUT 200 MICRONS, PK-PK FOR BOTH LP
REAR BEARING AND GENERATOR FRONT BEARING
HIGH VIBRATION IN 210 MW TG SETS
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ANALYSIS
BASED ON VIBRATION SYMPTOMS, FOLLOWING CHECKS WERE
SUGGESTED IN PLANNED OVERHAUL

LP / GENERATOR ALIGNMENT
BEARING ASSEMBLY CHECKS

RESULT OF ABOVE WORKS
AFTER CARRYING OUT THE ABOVE MENTIONED CHECKS &
CORRECTIONS DURING PLANNED OVERHAUL, VIBRATION LEVEL DID
NOT IMPROVE

HIGH VIBRATION IN 210 MW TG SETS
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ACTION TAKEN
FOLLOWING WORKS WERE CARRIED OUT
VIBRATION ANALYSIS
SCANNING OF LP REAR BEARING PEDESTAL AND ITS SECONDARY
GROUT AND BASE PLATE AREA

OBSERVATIONS / ANALYSIS
FREQUENCY BEHAVIOUR OF BEARING VIBRATION FOUND SIMILAR TO
EARLIER OBSERVATION

WIDE DIFFERENCE IN PHASE ANGLE IN VERTICAL DIRECTION
ACROSS BASE PLATE OF LP REAR PEDESTAL AND SECONDARY
GROUTING WHICH INDICATED THAT VERTICAL LOAD TRANSFER
FROM BEARING TO FOUNDATION IS NOT AS EXPECTED
HIGH VIBRATION IN 210 MW TG SETS
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SCANNING OF PEDESTAL


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ACTION PLAN SUGGESTED
REGROUTING OF LP REAR PEDESTAL
REPLACEMENT OF FOUNDATION BOLTS OF LP REAR PEDESTAL AND
PROPER MATCHING OF ANCHOR PLATES
IN-SITU BALANCING OF GENERATOR ROTOR TO REDUCE EXCITATION
FORCES TO MINIMUM

DUE TO TIME CONSTRAINT AND POWER REQUIREMENT,
FOLLOWING WORKS CARRIED OUT
EPOXY GROUTING (PRESSURE GROUTING) OF LP REAR PEDESTAL
RESTRETCHING OF FOUNDATION BOLTS OF LP REAR PEDESTAL
LP / GENERATOR REALIGNMENT
BEARING INSPECTION
HIGH VIBRATION IN 210 MW TG SETS
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RESULT OF ABOVE WORKS
AFTER CARRING OUT THE ABOVE MENTIONED CHECKS DURING NEXT
OVERHAUL
VIBRATION LEVEL FOUND REDUCED TO 25 MICRONS, 0-PK ON
BEARING NO. 4 / 5 PEDESTAL
PHASE DIFFERENCE WAS FOUND TO BE MINIMUM BETWEEN BEARING
PEDESTAL BASE PLATE AND SECONDARY GROUTING

BUT AFTER FEW DAYS OF OPERATION,
VIBRATION LEVEL STARTED INCREASING GRADUALLY AND TOUCHED
ALARM VALUE OF 35 MICRONS, 0-PK
PHASE ANGLE DIFFERENCE WAS ALSO FOUND TO BE INCREASING
BETWEEN BASE PLATE AND SECONDARY GROUTING
HIGH VIBRATION IN 210 MW TG SETS
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ANALYSIS
EPOXY GROUTING WAS INSUFFICIENT TO CURE THE VIBRATION
PROBLEM ON PERMANENT BASIS

AT THIS POINT OF TIME, CIVIL EXPERT ALSO CONDUCTED STUDIES ON
FOUNDATION WHICH CONFIRMED THE BAD CONDITION OF
SECONDARY GROUT
HIGH VIBRATION IN 210 MW TG SETS
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ACTION PLAN SUGGESTED:
ONCE AGAIN THE PREVIOUS ACTION PLAN WAS SUGGESTED, THAT IS,
REMOVAL OF LP REAR BEARING PEDESTAL AFTER BREAKING
SECONDARY GROUTING COMPLETELY

REPLACEMENT OF FOUNDATION BOLTS

IN-SITU BALACNING OF GENERATOR ROTOR

DISMANTLING OBSERVATION
DURING REMOVAL OF LP REAR PEDESTAL, SECONDARY GROUT
MATERIAL WAS FOUND IN PIECES

OIL SEEPAGE WAS OBSERVED UNDER PEDESTAL
HIGH VIBRATION IN 210 MW TG SETS
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HIGH VIBRATION IN 210 MW TG SETS
RESULT OF ABOVE WORKS
AFTER THE ABOVE MENTIONED WORKS CARRIED OUT (INCLUDING
IN-SITU BALANCING OF GENERATOR ROTOR) IN THE NEXT PLANNED
OVERHAUL, VIBRATION LEVEL OF LP REAR AND GENERATOR FRONT
IMPROVED IN BOTH VERTICAL AND AXIAL DIRECTION

MACHINE IS RUNNING SATISFACTORILY SINCE THEN

HENCE, LOOSENESS / VOID BETWEEN LP REAR PEDESTAL AND
SECONDARY GROUTING WAS FOUND TO BE THE ROOT CAUSE
OF HIGH LP REAR PEDESTAL AND GENERATOR FRONT
VIBRATION
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HISTORY OF THE PROBLEM SHOULD BE GIVEN DUE
WEIGHTAGE FOR ANALYSING THE PROBLEM

ATTENTION SHOULD BE PAID TO INTERFACE AREAS BETWEEN
MACHINE AND SUPPORTING SYSTEM / STRUCTURE IN
ADDITION TO MAIN MACHINE

CONCLUSION
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HISTORY OF MACHINE WITH RESPECT TO ITS DYNAMIC
BEHAVIOUR SHOULD BE STUDIED

REGULAR VIBRATION READING ON BEARING PEDESTAL AT
PRESCRIBED LOCATIONS SHOULD BE TAKEN FOR ASSESSING
THE TREND OF VIBRATION BEHAVIOUR ACCURATELY

SHAFT VIBRATION IN TWO ORTHOGONAL DIRECTIONS
SHOULD BE MEASURED FOR ORBIT ANALYSIS
TIPS FOR BETTER DIAGNOSTICS
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RECOMMENDED LOCATIONS OF VIBRATION MEASUREMENTS ON
BEARINGS AS PER ISO
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Measuring
Amplifier
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RECOMMENDED LOCATIONS OF SHAFT VIBRATION
MEASUREMENTS AS PER ISO
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EVERY UNIT SHOULD HAVE KEY PHASOR ARRANGEMENT FOR
VIBRATION ANALYSIS.

SCANNING OF VIBRATION PRONE AREAS INCLUDING SYSTEM /
FOUNDATION AROUND THE PROBLEMATIC AREA SHOULD BE
CONDUCTED

DEVIATION IN OPERATING PARAMETERS SHOULD BE
RECORDED AND ANALYSED FOR THEIR EFFECT ON VIBRATION
BEHAVIOUR

TIPS FOR BETTER DIAGNOSTICS
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RUN UP & RUN DOWN VIBRATION BEHAVIOUR SHOULD BE
RECORDED FOR ALL BEARINGS AND SHAFT POSITIONS FOR
REFERENCE WHICH CAN BE USED DURING TROUBLESHOOTING

PRE-OUTAGE SURVEY SHOULD BE CONDUCTED PRIOR TO
OVERHAUL FOR BETTER PLANNING OF ADDITIONAL
ACTIVITIES / SPARES, IF REQUIRED

RECORD OF PREVIOUS BALANCING AT SITE SHOULD BE
MAINTAINED FOR REFERENCE PURPOSES

TIPS FOR BETTER DIAGNOSTICS
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LAST BUT NOT THE LEAST, DURING TROUBLESHOOTING,
EVERY FEEDBACK / OBSERVATION NEEDS TO BE CONFIRMED.
IF EVERYTHING IS ALRIGHT, VIBRATION PROBLEM WOULD
NOT HAVE BEEN THERE. SO VERIFY EACH & EVERY
POSSIBILITY AND CONFIRM FROM WRITTEN DOCUMENTS
TIPS FOR BETTER DIAGNOSTICS
A.K.SINHA, DGM (TURBINE)
BHEL, POWER SECTOR TECHNICAL SERVICES (HQ), NOIDA
Thank you
A.K.SINHA, DGM (TURBINE)
BHEL, POWER SECTOR TECHNICAL SERVICES (HQ), NOIDA

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