DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR, ‘UNITED sralfes. INDIAN SERVICE, San Jacinto, Calif. April 21, 1903 The Honorable, Coumissioner of Indian Affairs, Washington, D. ¢. Sil I have the honor to call your attention to a council or conference held on April 16th, at agua Caliente, between representatives of all the Warner's Ranch Indians and the following persons on behalf of the government: Special A= gent, F. M. Conser, Special Attorvey for the Indians, Wil- liam Collier, Chas. F. Lummis, Chairman of the Warner's Ranch Commission, Father Hahn, the priest at Banning and myself as Agent. Mrs. Matthews, the Ageng clerk and sten- cgrapher was present to take down a correct account of the proceedings, for future reference, if required. é The special object of this meetingwith the Indians was for the purpose of making final and complete arrangements for their removal to Pala. To plan with them and to take eS @n acount of the number of Indians to be moved, “nd the nugoer of head of stock owned by them and to note the quan- tity 9f their personal velongings, so that something like an intelligent estimate for teams, labor, subsistence, ete. gould be made for making the transfer. Moreover, it was necessary to discover, if possible, present mood of the Indians and to determineHon, Com. 2 whether their views had change@/end whether they were now willing to accept the inevitable and move peacably and quietly to the land purchased for thea at Pal: 411 sorts of rumors with reference to the eviction of the Warner's Ranch Indians have been published in the aews- papers; spread broadcast, algo, by meddlesome individuala wuo have no particular interest in the Indians and who have @n abundant suplyof mis-inforwation which they deal out to them unsparingly, whenever opportunity offers, The Indians at agua Caliente,--the hotved of diaturbe ance and the point at which all our observations ara taxeny c-- have for several sunths avoided my office; they have fot visited Mr. Iuamis and Mr. Collier for advice, as they formerly did, but have maintained a dogged silence, only coumunicating with individuals who told them t they wished to hear and who have held out the forioriinope that Something would yet happen by which they could xeep their Peep tt MOREE Reno | re 15 not homdvgee een ther annoy you with the rumors and cheap talk indulzed im by meddle it is proper, however, to say in this covnection thot the removal of the Warner Raneh Indians is exciting very greet interest 11 over Californie, and the papers are eager for every bit of news recerding the transaction, and fer this reason, os well as many others, our sctions should be @ecisive and positive and exercised with sufficient care.Bon. Com. 3 With these facts in mind, your representatives, naued above, proceeded to Agua celiente, arriving there a little before | noon on the 16th instant, | We found the Indians sullen and obstinate, almost defiant. They refused te shake hands with some members of the party and it was with difficulty we could get shelter or lodging in the Indian houses al- | thoug!: there were several of the houses unoccupied. After much. perleying end dclay, we succeeded in getting the Indians to meet with us in the school house to dis- cuss the aituation. 3 For your information I have had a detailed report ef the meeting with the Indians prepared. You will pleas find a copy of the same enci~sed herewith. The Inffians were told that they mst leave their homes on the ranch at once and every possible arguent Was used to induce them to give their consent end plam te go to Pala peacably and quietly. All our efforts were unavailing, The Indians positively and stubbornly refuse to go to Pela; they say they will die first; some say that they will go to the mountains; others say they will fight for their old homes; they finslly told us that they would not leave their old homes, that they would not ge te Pale, and the representatives, ac they called uc, "must leave them alone, a0 ag to save great trouble.” At a signal from the Captain, he meeting broke up.4 oy Ron. Cer We had hope te persuade the Indians to move peacably but efter our visit and conference with them on the 16th, i am firmly convineed that a superior show of force will eS be positively necessary te make the transfer te Pela. This epinion is concurred in by Wr. Conser, Mr. Cel- lier snd Mr. Tumis, We believe that it will require at least twenty soldiers to sssist in removing; te escort ané scsist in getting ell the Indians from Warner's ranch | and also Sam Felipe, settled at Pala. The San Felipe Indians have lost their land and the owner of the ranch upon which they are located desires their speedy removal. There is room for them at Pala amd it is the intention to give them land there. san Felipe is fifteen miles farther fron Pola thai the War= ner Ranch ig, In my opinion, the Som Jelipe Indians | Should ye moved and located at Pala inmedietely after the transfer of the Warner's Ranch Indians is made, I I therefore request that the Department ur- range for a detail of not less than twenty soldiers to - remove, escort and settle the Indians from Warner's Ranch ond San Felipe upon the land recently purchased for them Bt Pala, the removal to take place about the 12th to the 18th of May. 7 om making arrangenents as speedily as possible for te removal but some time will necessarily elapse be- fore these are completed,Fon. com. 5 I earnestly desire that you give uy reqvest early and favorable consideration, 50 thet we mey proceed with this Ginsgreeable matter end bring it te @ successful ter- mination. : With the presence of the soldiers I will be able to make the removal carefuliy and safely. Very respectfully, U. &.. Indian Agent.L. A. Wright, U. 5, Indian Agent, Te begin with, Captain and Indien people of Agua Caliente and Warner's Ranch, I want te acsure you that ali of the people hore today are friendly te yeu, thet You sey imow she the ethers are: thore in Ur. Celtterg, attorney for the Indian people; thio is ur, conser,” the © special Agent cone trem Vashinsten; this lady ia the clerk in vy office at San secinte; the rest of the pee- ple you kmow; you know Mr. Turns and wr. Barnes and this gentleman drove the team;- you know Pather Ram, We ase 12 intersstea tn the Indion wore and we coae here teday to tell/you cho truth. We have a vory disagreeable auty to perferm but it is a duty which oan mo longer be put off. A great deal has been said about your rener- ®1 from thie place; such has been written and likely you have received advice from veople whe de not intond to nis- Aaform you but wa are qualified te speak te you today, trutheutay and candidly, You #11 know thet tvo years ago next nonth the “fighest court in thie tana anckdea that thie property whavelwe are ow and that you have kept se Jeng belongs to omebody alse. 411 yood people regret thet decision |» (oat 44 wee net 4a our power to nely it. om, the govs ‘ qrnneht teit serty, vory sorry for the indir people and they immedictely vegan oreparations to provide these Ine _ diem people with sew hones, scJ : ‘As soon os the cocision wad rendered the Taxon omers ‘Sicen inmedietely te want pomsevsion of this nlace pnt ! Varough the kindly offices of the governvent, ty the Do- vurtaont promiging them thet ss soon as they could se= cura a pises of lund for the Indians, they would move then to At, they eve kept the ranch owmers quiet. | The gove nnont has vo much important ork to. doy 80 mony things to attend to, that 1¢ texes », geod whike to pat through a isa] of this kind. fhe machinery in go slow tint \t baxen ® couple of years te accomplish what hee been done. Congrana id tirst to wiyropriate tie money} then the President i te & point some one te aelect the land; that being dene, tae title to it nad to be carefully Passed upon co that hereafter tha land would always celong to the Indian »eeple; tnen the woney had to be paid over a-¢ the lend pasusd into tue posseasion of tne governcent, Tt took a long time for 32 that, My good friends, 1% 12 oy duty em your Agent and ee the Arent of the goverment, to inform you that the Purchase woney for tio lunds that tmve been bought ter you Was Deid over u few cays agoy unt that thors tH KOthing furtner to be dene but to move you. There io ao use te tlk avout whether you desire to iesvo this please or not.3 We are here today te tell you that she time has come for you to meve and to talk it over with you in e friend- ly manner. If you will talk with us and help us te plan this removal we can make it moh easier for you. We feel that the best thing you can do is to treat with us, for in so doing you will be helping yourselves. Tew we take it that your presence here indicates that you are willing te discus this matter with us and if there are features that you do net understand and will ask about them we will be lad to explain them to you. If there ere any 1e.al phas about your keeping your land which you would lixe to understand , Mr. Collier is here and can tell you. I would like to have Father Hahn say a few words to you, Father Haha, Priest from Banning. Now, my dear friends, I will say enly a few words. First, ve are your friends. I have come te you, I have leved you and I have enjoyed to be with you, I have come to you as yopr friend to de something fer your im- mortal souls. Bow, 1£ 1 say sovething for the government to whom we all owe allegiance, it is true. For tle government expects me to say a word to you and I can only emphasize firet that we are your friends; I am not at fault that the lend was lost te you and was given te the Warner it4 a4 Raneh; the honorable Indian agent is not at fault; mr. Conser, the Special Agent from Yashincton is not at fault that you have lost your led. Mrs, Babbitt is not at fault; else Mr. Tunmies had nothing to do with it. We come here as your friends and we cannot help it. We feel as sad and as sorrowful as you do, When ve are hore in Agua Guliente | and look at you sad and sorrow- ful, we are all sad. And these giod people whe are here are all sad, We do not like it, but my dear friends, we cannot help it. Now, if the governnent wishes to provide for you new homes, I would usk you and I would ver you for the sake of your immortal souls and for the eee of Almichty God, to do it ine quiet manner, I aBk you to ge cheerfully and trust in the Providence of Almigaty God that ke will take care of you und of all of us. It is sad, it is not what we like, wy heart is now sad and it is very pitiful for us to see you sad and oppressed, Your agent is sitting there sad end ser- Towftl to see you so oppressed here on the reservation, But neke the best of it, Try to save wnat you can save, If the government wishes you to take up another home do it cheerfully and quietly. ‘They W111 tell you now what they will do, Talk over with them the ways and make the best of it. Ge with a cheerful aud quiet heart relying on God's providence, If you go the mountains wnat will you find there? Tf you go to ether ploces you will not find @ bettera 5 5 place. I have been in the Cahuilla valley and I have been in all the places The are not so good. See how they are in Banning. I know a man whé is hauling water in barrels for all of his uses. Now, my dearest friends, make the best of it; be cheerful; be happy. Respect these men who are here from the government; in a cheerful quiet manner talk it over with them and it will be well again. We are here to nelp you. I tell you this as a priest, as a friend. and God Almighty is my witness that I wish only your welfare; God Almighty is my witness that I wish only that you ve cheerful and happy and as good loyal citizens of the Un- ited States, that you will be sensible and go in a cheer- ful spirit. It is hard for us to say; it is hard for you to hear but let us make the best of if, in a friend- ly spirit and manner and in the name of AlmichtyGed, de it so that it will be.right in the sight of God in -Heav- en and of men on earth. I cannot add more. L. A. Wright, U. S. Indian Acent. My Friends, you know Mr, Iumnis. He with two other Gentlemen, spent a great @eal of time riding, day and night, without a cent of pay to look up a piece of land upon which te locate you. I am sure that you would like to have him say a few words to you and if there is any- thing about your land, he can explain it. ‘The werd has gone around that the land is not good.WX 6 Mr. Chas, F, Iumnis. People of Cupa and Friends ago when the Commission was here and a year ago last month when your Agent, Dr, Wright, and I were here, that As we told you a year you would have to leave your home; the supreme Court had decided that matter and thet every one even the Pres= ident has te obey the Suprene Court. And wien you caw the Commissioner of Indian Affairs at Riverside,-your delegates and the teacher,-Iet fall, he told you that everything possible had been done to save your old homes for you end that they could not te saved; he toid you, also, that aa soer as 2 place could ve arranged for a new home the goverment would set & time for you to move end that the Commission would nelp you, Ke gave your Selegates in writing = paper cayiug that you sould neve to move snd that the Commisaion would nelp you. -That vas for your @elegates to show to the people at hone, te be used in making the report. And before them-your Selegstes,-- he gave ne a paper exactly like it, Your people who were there then to meet the Com- missioner were sad, but when thoy understood that the ‘ter wan settled ond that they mot Jeave sue. Celiente told them that he } ped they would go peacably, as Go0d citizens ond they sata thoy would, they would go with out any trouble,7 The last time I saw you or any of you you were all very friendly; you were sad but did not blane us who were do- ing all we could for you. Today I can see that you hawe been listening to some of the vagabond liars (vagammdos embusteros) who come to the Springs and tell you foolish things. They have not helped you, they cannot help you and what they talk, while you like te hear it, is not tru As you know, the Commission took from here last June two of your number, Ambrosia Ortega and Salvador Noles. quez, as representatives of you, to go with us and see the places we examined. They went with us and they say these places. They saw Pala. © And now some wanderer that we do not know wants to tell you that Pala is a bad place, all rocks and no water. ‘wo men of Qupa should be able te tell you what crops they saw growing there when they were with the Commission last suxmer, Down there the gevernment will give you good homes, better than eny Indians in this part of the country Bave There will re no rich and poor there but 221 equal. No one or two men will have all the good land. Every ene will have as good land as the other and as mich. the gevernnent will help you to build your houses, good houses, having you build them and paying you for the work. You will have good crops there and the government will help you *hroughout until you are able to help yourselves and then F imow that ouch people will want te help themselves and8 not want the governnent to feed you, But until you have your homes and your crops it will help you. I can that you have been listening to these peo- ple who tel you things that you like to hear but which they do not know and cannot do tut I do not wonder that you eve heard them because this 4s y ur home an@ what they say Senate ee people of cupa have too good sense when they stop to think , tomnelieve Such things from such people, and that when you think it over carefully you will net ve angry et these who are try= ing to Go the beet esn to help yeu, and that et the time cet by the government for you to Ge, you will do es your delegates promised the Coomissioner at Riverside that yeu would do, go as men and women wuo are brave and senvie ble and begin in the new hone and de the beat you can there. If you will do your part, as men and women, the government will help you and you will have a beautiful place there and in five years you will be envied by every Miseion Indien in southern ¢a1 ifernia, eaDeninge Wora, ga Autargroter for she Ineiens, Welly Mr. Iuamia, the time whon you siarted from tne Springa you have been ali around icoking for auch pincea to get for the Indians, You had been al} around and finale ty YoU get te Pala cnd you have told tuem that Pala is the Pisce te go, He anid he did not want it, beenuse he said it yas no uae Denanse it wee his home in the old place end he wanted that end you ssid you would de all you pose sibly could but you have nat done inie, sxeest just Paw Amy thet da all, OF courge you went amy coun there but You acoepted it. They suid they vould not weve dom there ‘hoy G14 not mnt 4%, Their 014 home, this 19 all they Pray Zor anf they mever an Zor Pela, vut if it to bought it must co Deught for you to ume but we sak for our eld Nome, that is what we agi (:11 the tine, . Ye have ao use for Pais, we have no use for it. This is place we have. 49 Goon sa tha dectaton of theUnited states sue Prone Court is rendered against us, we have prayed for thes cur old home and for no other place, He ({ha captain ape ale ing) saya they were used to thia place so many years, Brerybedy know thia pice w longs te nekedy\eive. ve have heen torn in this place apd that olnee Auerion wan Siscovered wo hove been here Sn this pldee nd it ia ours, Of course there sre coue other ranches tut we have net wanted te zove to some other place, Thia Je what we have prayed all the time for, idbessicti ios uiee th 2s eal10 Tho Captain soya, alenys wo have nsked for our ol4 homes because we are not used to any other place, Me matter how our place looks, no matter, wa were born here. Ye have preyed to have this, We have valed all the time of our place, The people wao were seut nere by the governuent to attend to the business for the Indians, we have asked them to do out favor, but wo sever near any word from them and this io the first time we have heard and it mut be the last tine. India: agent Yright, Captain and Indian peop rasent had ne gi the title to examine and the nowy to pay over before they sould get the deed to the land ard we could not bell you about moving to Pala until +. 48 was cone. A deal of this Kind is never finished uitsl i$ 40 closed in that way, the money |Udd and the deed puscad upon, As you have heen told by Wat Kahn, 211 am everyone Pities you from tho bottom of their hearts, ‘The Supreme Court oftheUnited Stutes is the highest authority in the lant ven the President of the United Stites cannot change it. There in ne one whe can, It may be an unjust decision but we cannot help it. if there had been sothing done about At amd the gevernuent had rot vought another piooe of land end the owners of the ronch hed sald, "We lave had that de- Sinion,|we want our land," uee what « position you would be in. You would have no hemes, no place to go. But the gov ernment spproprites $200,000 te right thet wrong. While (eatin1 it cannot be helped, they want to right the wrong. I ac- tually believe that you people who ovpose it, if you knew waat we want to do for you, that we want to build you house: to buy you plows, to get you mowing machines to plant and reap your crops. I think if you could realize all that we want to do for you, you would think it the very best thing for you. Indians. Well, Agent, Captain says, if you understand what I tell you thet the Captain talk to you about it. You do not explein his questions, about our talking a while ago. Agent Wright. Domingo, there is nothing I can say. There is no way to keep your old homes. Mr. Lummis will tell you whatfforts we maie to buy this property. I was with Sen- ator Bard when he tried to buy it. Mr. Lummis willl explain that part to you. Indans. Well, Captain says that of course it is the Indian Agent's duty; he is hired by the government and if any In ns wants to know some words he must know them from the Agent He is hired by the government and if there were no Indians, the Agent would not make any money. We have all Some complaints to theIndian Agent by the white people and this in the first time he speaks to us about our place.12 Tam not mad but it 1a the Indien Agont's anty 49 answer questions, Agent vricnt. 7 om willing to answer MMOSVAGHO: and! ae @ igen dae er POM 2 WAI ao oo, ‘whas 48 1t he wants to knows Indians, 4f anything havvens to ‘hm, He should ‘200% ous nd ke ney- Pe TNs and thts te tng Siret time woen he cones te remove us and the Indians do not lice it. Agent wright, Indian people whenever I coula, ANS WME C1018 to. cee ‘There is no longer SWUNG Cf deiey. you must believe me no matter iat you PONE AIA ty others, 1 mst tel you the truty acicdian Abent. I have to tel) you just what is taking Place. Other people ney hola Ont False hopes to yous ra, not. You do not ike to heer the trath bt you 7412 respect any PES tel10 yeu, the truthp tig thing wasoniy fixea up POINGS inthis pace Decause he koys, Wou, as being a ! Gent you knew when the Gecision wag rendered againgt us, ag1s Agent right, We told you exactly ue it ms. We eano hera for that very purpose , to tell you the facta, There in ur, dol- et & wan aw ever lived, who waz with oe, You lier, as xued sil about 1%. The Oownissioner of Indian Affaire teld your representatives at tha Rivernive sehool, sena- tor Bard told you. thure i one thing certain, wa cone not help it. The ranch owners promiagd the Indian and the Interior Departments to be pavient with them unt!) suot time as vo could choose @ pince of land for you, Tey have Waited und they are new urging us. ‘They sar, "Te ‘eG have yo ssession of our land," We came t9 plan with you about your removal; that in wint we are here for today, When tiw Commission wan ay rointed I had other duties and that was uot a part of my duty, but vhen I ms here with Senator Bard, we met J. Downey Harvey, with ur, Vail, and ve talked until 11 o'olock at night about tnis ques- tion, They would not sell 2 picee of land. Teter on T understood that thoy offered the whole rach for $580,000 Nearly half « million aoliars. You could not hye got Congres to have appropriated tint in > thousand years, Tiere are no secrete about it; 1 would ve gled to tell you all about it, Indians, Of course they are talking about our hones b cause th that time when you first cone up we talked about our piece ics14 you yromise¢ you would follow after thet track and find out and when you cane back you just began to look for places end you vever s ce nothing about what we have told you. Mr. Tusunis, He 1 mistaken ebout that, I did not tell him I would fel- low that track. This is more thet the vagabonde who are around have been telling your What I said in the first Plece was that I thousht it could not be accomplished but that I would 60 everything that was possible to find a way for them to keep their old hones. That waa the word I gave them, that I would do everything I could to try te pave this place, I cid not helieve there was anything that could be done to save it, ‘ut I will now tell you what I aid to try to save At and to get othera te save it, When # saw thom a year ago last Maron, I put thingd ?omn on a Paper and told them I would follow it up and hent all a= round nd follow it up, like 9 man who hes a good dog te follows track, (The paper wat from Weshington. It was am executive order, by Grant, sotting thia aside, in 1867 98 an Indian reservation.) That paper vas good until the metier wea adjudicated in court, tut the decision of the court snkes the paper wo rthe lews. It is exactly like the executive order just insved by the President, recently, settin, & part of the16 Public domain and lands around Pala, not the valley, that is but the mountains, so that these lands will be an Indian reservation unless the court suys that they are not. In the valley of Pala, on the otker land, the title is 4n the gov- ernaent; it is not a Presi ential orcer but = permanent gevernnent reservation, for Indians only and upon which ne one else can live. It cu not be sold and will clways be theirs safely. Senator Bard is a good man ané has given & great deal of time and money to help the Indians and hes worked for them. ‘hen their first avpeal went up to the Supreme Court, Bishop vontgoncry put up four thousand do lars and friends in the east put’ up- it four thousand éollars, for their bonds, end only a few uonths ago I hed te go to Sam Francisco to testify against Downey Harvey in a suit in which he claimed damages againet these eastern People because the Indiane had stayed here so long. And these bastern people had to pay about three thousand dollars Decause kasexinasus abtsvtayndxuuxkong. they had helped these Indians to carry tneir cuge to the Suprene cour$, and see if there was any possible way to save their lands, Senator Bard and Dr. Wright tried hurd with Downey Har- vey and Mr. Vail to get tiem to sel] five thousand acres oF some such matter around the springs. 1, myself, went to cee Domey Harvey, whom I nave knom for sony years, i 4m San Francisco andlos Angeles and urged him, teiling him that this lend was nothing to him, only «a corner of his Fanch and to these Indians if was their old home and Lr -, e1s to sell some of it, even at an extravagant price, and I thought the governxent would be willing to pay an extrava- gant price sooner than moye the Indians, but he said he aid net want to sell. Indians. Mr. Tumis, and the representatives, I wish te state one thing, and so the Captain and all the other people sag and I got toe say their words. | There is one point that we ebject to, You called liars to the people who come around and whe tell us to say such werds and give advice. These people wo know how to give advice how would they give us advice! without us paying then? No man wants to give ad- vice without @ dellar to pay for it and where are the Indians te find money to pay for advice? © None of them is wealthy . They would not have money to gat advice. Why do you not sey, "You Indians are liars." It is net words to call a person. We Indiens are born in this place. ¥e ask the President and we have trusted in the President and give many things end we thought he was doing all right; we could stay in our hone: They are going to make the reservation.’ That paper wes made that time by General Grant? they say At is worthless, Now the Indians is just like the fruit in the ground.And the oak tree comes up from the ground. It is same with the Indians, they ere used to this Place; they are born here and no matter how poor they are it is their wiome.. If you put them off in any place you will see cow Indians Tt is the same as planting a tree that vears17 Gaptain says, I guess the government makes our expenses. There is no Indian who gets rations, only maybe some old p people, 4 little to eat. We support ourselves, ow the government is trying to put us from our homes, Just like & tree; some trees will bee fruit again but not for many years; it ig the same with the Indians. They are used to this pleae; they are born here; From the time of the Mis= sion we have ad yur graveyard, It is all the same as the tree; in e few years there will be no Indians, Of course I cannot say a man is a liar who gives advice to the Indians. Of course thore must be sone friends who have not neddled with the Indians at all.. They talk b y themselwes because they are born here in this place. I am a man in my home and I know what to say. The same with these veople they know it, decay ie they ar beun in this country and have'been for years Tne springs were here when the world was made, . This one thing we de not lixe to call the people liers. Mr. Tumnis, I will take that back; § did not ean to call the Indians liars. Indiens, The Captain says that from the time the decision was rendered against us, these people they did not ‘mow that time when they were having the court, they did not know when that court was to begin,“ 18 Agent Wright. I did not Xnow anything about that». Shirley Werd of Los Angeles and Frank Tewis of Riverside were your attor- neys. You remember that the suit was tried first in the Superior court of Sen Diego county and decided against the Indians, It was then carried to the Supreme court of dal= Afornia and ceciaed against the Indians, and efterwords te the Supreme Court of the United Steas and again decided egainst you. When ane eet virst commencdd the lawyers came Comm and Prank Lewis said he spent some time in col= lecting evidence’ They had already taicen tae evisence waen the case was submitted to the Su) reme Court and it wag Submitted in aut they ail vr efs; these are books, in whih tae lawyers give the history of the case, with oll the ey= isence that can he obtained. -th lawyers hed found out all se things and your niterneys vere there, They had no witnesses at the Supreme Court, but sub ted eviud ence in briefs, as I neve said, ians. The captain we do not want a place to he removed te. If B am o wild men\or'a savage man or a thief or a mi réerer and T hatimie other habits, T can de all the sane as they de. and I have always esked for my ace and I em still beg- ging for it. Firat when General Kearney was here and takked to us end cave us an oath that no one 3 ould disturb us and they traveled with him. I am called to old age and I have never known of any man petngarrested for stealing on War: Ransh. | We have heard other rumors and papers have peen published for Yarver's Raneh; if we are thisves why do they not have a man to watch us? Agent Wright. We do not believe that you are thieves, | |19 Indians, And we have never done any arm so anybody and we beg for this our place, We do not want to move to Pala, at all. Agont wright. : Tomingo, Captain and the rest of the people: We do act went to move you to Pala but within twe weexs the ranch owmers will want possession of this ranch. We came here to offer you everything in our power to help you. We do not » at to put you off. But ve cone to talk with you bex cause ve know what they want to de. I will tell you now shout going to other reservations. If I did not tell you, sone time you will sey, "Ene Agent did not tell us." avery Indion reservation ¢ te a patent conetine Crom tho govern= vent. It io patented to the Indians for their sole use and nt. Benefit. (Shewingyeah Ge. it bas the seal of the gov~ ernment on it. For a period of 2S years for the sole us of the Mesa Grande band or village, his patent to thes Tada is just the seme as wy uouse is patented to we. Yo one ec} san go te Hee Grande and taxe any land. There Would not be enough. The same with Tos Coyotes, vith Tore rea, with Morongo; it would be egeinot the law, ven if those people nad no o’ jection, there ix a legal statute Susinat 4t, which you cennot get around, You nmat think more of for telling you this, Yon are too sensible sen and women to think otherwise. We de not want you te feel ‘hat we aro your enemies. We come here to explain it te you20 if you would talk to us in the right way, We would hire your teams and pay you for then.I must cay again that perhaps within two weeks time the ranch cwmers will want their lang end it is not in my power to help you. | Mr. Collier. All that can be dene to keep you in pour 01a homes has neen done by the government . I had nothing to do with the suit of Downey Harvey to put you off the ranch and I think thet Mr. Lewis and i Ward and other frie nds did 011 thet eculd be done to keep you in your home, I knew that they ares@our iriends and I know that they worked hard te con= vince the court that they ought to stay in teir homes but fadlea, 4nd now there im no help r this troubl 5 you mee Aekve your homes. 1 do not like to say this; it is hard for me te say it end it is hard for you to hear it, it is es peintui for ne to sey it ag it is for you te hear it. But we know that Tomey Harvey bas the decision of the court so that he can come here with force enought to put you eut of your homes and we cennot help it. We do sot want Domey Harvey, with kis force » to come ond set you out, to drive you out inte tie mountains, with no one to care for yous . We want te care fer you as well as the governvent GRR Are fer’ xe aud for thet reagen. xo came here,a Downey Harvey from doing as he pleases. The court has settled that, but if you will let us help you we Will do the best the governnent can do for you. The gov- ernment has paid about $46,000 for land for you ana has prem vided $30,000 to help build homes to move you there, te buy Provisions, to help you along until you can take care of yourselvesp But we know that you do not want to go; that you would ratner stay here but it is vetter for you to go together where you cam have your church and school and be jooked after by the governuent and protected , as far-as can be done. If you will plan wth us » we will help you and an with you and arrange for you'to nave work and pro- visions and pey you for your work so that you can start well in your new homes in good shape, but if you let Downey Hare vey put you off, you cannet help yourselves but will have te Scatter und go homeless and with eakr children out of School. Youcaw/not stay and it is ver vetter to go to a goed place where you can have your children in School and be provided for. There is a church at Pala; the chucch will have its minister or priest there and you will have a home where you can all locate together and can have work | from the government until you can take care of yourselves end have better land than any other Indians in southern Cale Afornia. There cre zew Ind ane who will have better and than you will have there. Our people have such trouble, 2 Go into court coastines and represent one side and enother lawyer another Ly’ und they have a dispute about a piece of5 \ . ae lend. And the court decides thet ene fe entitled to tt and the other oannot “sep it xné then he coas away, We have to de it, It ia wrong somtinen, Wut we have to ube mit eid ve do cubait, I know from what Father Hahn saya that you are Chrige tien people. You understand ef course, what you want put to se & Ghrietian fram sy ntandpoint in te de whit is ri ght, what Aa best for yourselves, what ig cest for your \ehildremy for your home, © Downey larvey will destroy your honeune he clin come here with owe quough’< te tear dew your homes ex crive you off. I am to-ding you the truth, and it is setter for you to listen to tue truth, It ie better cor your children, for your faniiiea, for your hones, 40 plam with ua to cake thece hees good aut lot aw do the ‘seat We can or you. And I hope you #122 come ss Christicns, as Pether Hak xs sugceated and heip ua te do this aut as chearAury on you ean, ve Rnow i+ cannot be cheerful, wut do it just ag cheerfutiy as you ean. Indians, Of course the people are Christians, of course we WALL suggest to then what you have vad. Captain dye, Ih tht place we have veen and wa uave vean Ohrintians dines. over ed hag mato the worid,,and now he says thet by going fo Pala we wil) be Ghrintians. By going to Palas we vAlL Hot be Christiana; by going to the mountains we wild be Ghrdgtsana, If T om atarving or perixning, @ naked, and cos. wil) one me thet I am © Chrintion, To seve you troubles hethe Commicsioners shail gSovwy from here and let, the owner of the ranch ¢o to us, Jet him do wat he pleases. t do nob think ve are thieven and murderers 2 ttn we nits a4e innocent people. Juot for our eld home, TF wah the Gemmicatoners «1° woald let us aleney end onve trom 6 grect trouble, being erevnd. deptain says this mst be the Jest vord I sperk to the epresenteti ves of tle govern pent. The Captain says the soney in provided for us the $50,000. They ought to have that money paid for some Indias who ‘cannot help thenselves,, Ye have asked for our place and it has fai?ed, Wow, just to lave to rewore to thet place, we do not want it. And so, he aiyey the represontatdves ousht to let us alone, tie wmtter shat they will ¢o te us, Mo unttor if they KIEL us with the big capgon or tour dom our houses, we will \e welll and Ute an< somebody WA1L publish about thet these Indiers ib be Killed. Taey vil] ony that Yor Delng thieves aod sur- derers, thwy have kiljed these people, everybody, And you «22 ace itis broken «ll te pieces ané their A2usoe will be burned den, And 8 representatives mast Leave us Alone, 59 6s to weve great trouble, is At & signed trom the Coptata, thi ad the room as thuy hud cones An's bosy,} Se