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ANDREJ TARKOWSKIJ       LUIGI NONO.
 
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caminar...Andrej Tarkowskij (1987), La Lontananza Nostalgica Utopica Futura (1988), Hay que caminar sognando
(1989).
Caminante, son tus huellas
el camino y nada ms:
caminante no hay camino,
se hace camino al andar.
Al andar se hace el camino,
y al volver la vista atrs
se ve la senda que nunca
se ha de volver a pisar.
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sino estelas en la mar.

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