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When my daughter was under a year old her Dr presented me with the HIB vaccine that she HAD to have. He then gave me a 50 page consent form that I had to read and sign releasing him of any responsibility for any side effects or adverse reactions from the vaccine. I declined that vaccine and he made me feel like I was a bad mother. Since then things have happened to people I am close to from vaccines. I would definitely think twice and read all the adverse reactions to any vaccine I would allow my child to have. You can't just do it because the medical profession says you have to. My age group has been told we were never immune to measles because the vaccine in a certain time frame was not effective. Now it's whooping cough . We were never protected by these vaccines and yet we never got the diseases. If some people choose to not vaccinate their children I don't believe for a second it will put other children at risk. The Hep B vaccine is not as safe as you think . They made a recombinant vaccine to take the place of the original live vaccine . Do you know why ? Do you know what a recombinant vaccine can possibly do to a certain group of people ? It change once it's in their system and starts a chain reaction in the auto immune system and can cause certain autoimmune diseases that are worse the Hep B. this is not my opinion but it is a fact. A Dr a Baylor college who develops vaccines has explained the whole process to me. Since the vaccine was responsible for my husbands illness and inevitable death. It doesn't effect everyone but they don't want to make the effort to develop a test to see who it would effect and who it would be safe for. It would be as simple as a patch test for allergies. We would all sleep a lot better if there was a way to tell Jo would be safe to vaccinate and who wouldn't. I know keeping children safe from measles ,whooping cough ,tetanus ,chicken pox Ect ect ect .... But there are confirmed cases of adverse reactions from minor to fatal to vaccines. Don't you agree they all should be safe ?????????????? Along my journey with my husband I have heard heart. Breaking stories of kids that have been devastated after receiving a vaccine. I myself have had every vaccine that was available in my time and didn't have a problem. Now I lost my husband and my youngest daughter has autism from a fever after her MMR of 107 and had petite mall seizures. She is not even immune to it !!! They suggested we vaccinate her again. Would you ? At the time we didn't know of her autism but I still knew it wouldnt be a good idea to try it a second time. What do you think you would do in my shoes ?
Like Comment Kathy Hennessy a 50 page consent form? Are you kidding? 2 hours ago Like 5 Zoey Roberts there's safe and there's paranoid.. 2 hours ago Like 2 Kathy Hennessy What exactly did your husband die of? And yes I would give my daughter the MMR because that is not what causes her seizures or autism. 2 hours ago Like 4 Kathy Hennessy Actually, if they wanted to test to see who might be allergic to something in a vaccine or have a disorder that might be affected by a vaccine, it would be hundreds of tests costing thousands and thousands of dollars. This has been discussed many times 2 hours ago Like 3

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Zoey Roberts Autism is also genetic too...trust me I am Autistic and have 2 adult nephews who are Autistic.. 2 hours ago Like 4 Zoey Roberts Autism is not a death sentence.. 2 hours ago Like 4 Chillin' Out, Vaxin', Relaxin' All Cool I'm with Kathy. A 50 page consent form? I expect this is not the only made-up statement in that very long paragraph. 2 hours ago Like 6 April Miner Amen Zoey!! To go off topic a bit; It is so SAD that most of the AVers choose to describe their children the way they do.. acting as though their child's life is over?? Makes no sense... I work with children with autism, I have a son with autism.. and even in severe cases - it is not the "end of the world" when a child gets diagnosed!!!! I have always wondered if the genetic component was looked at more closely, would there be so many questions? Maybe any "reaction" that MAY happen from vaccines, actually has a genetic link instead of the actual vaccine? (Genes, not heredity) about an hour ago Like 3 Martin Smith The problem is the vast majority of people who claim"vaccine damage" are not in fact vaccine damaged. about an hour ago Like 6 Martin Smith From above....... But there are confirmed cases of adverse reactions from minor to fatal to vaccines. Don't

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Kathy Hennessy The statement doesn't make much sense. It is so long and rambly. And the 50 page thing is just not true. about an hour ago Like 3 Zoey Roberts we are not damaged or poisoned we just love,acceptance and respect for who we are...no matter what the situation is..ty about an hour ago Like 3 April Miner any thoughts on that? I think I am on an empirical hunt now!! LOL about an hour ago Like 1 Martin Smith It is about relative safety. seatbelts cause injury and death. Shouldn't seatbelts be safe? Well yes, they should be and the regulators constantly adjust design rules to make them as safe as possible, but they still present a risk. However the risk seatbelts present is minute compared to the risk of not wearing seatbelts. The benefit is large. similarly with vaccines, the risk is small compared to the disease, and the benefit is large. the risks are also getting smaller (though sometimes the benefit reduces, which is why some vaccines are no longer given, e.g. Smallpox). about an hour ago Like 7 Zoey Roberts we want the same civil rights as you do... about an hour ago Like 2 April Miner Martin, did you watch the Penn & Teller vid? about an hour ago Like 2 Zoey Roberts if you don't' like us that is your problem we are here to stay...don't take it out on us Autistic's just because your scared about an hour ago Edited Like 1 Martin Smith I love penn and teller, and yes seen that vid, and posted it, many times. about an hour ago Like 2 Martin Smith From above.... Now it's whooping cough . We were never protected by these vaccines and yet we never got the diseases. .... Absolute baloney. The incidence rates of these disease were vastly higher in the ore vaccine age. about an hour ago Like 2 Matt Zukowski "Now it's whooping cough . We were never protected by these vaccines and yet we never got the diseases" Appeal to personal incredulity. I never got the disease, no one I know got the disease, there must not be any risk. Well, before the vaccine the risk was roughly 15% you'd get it. The DTaP covers Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, and just for Tetanus it's a net win even 326 children explode when given it. They don't, but there are serious side effects for under 1:1,000,000. Before the vaccine there are about 175,000 cases per year, between 1940-1945. 150:100,000. In 1960 15,000 cases. in 1970 5,000 cases. 1980-1990 2900 cases. 2004 25,827 cases, the highest it's been since 1959. The current hypothesis is the vaccine's effectiveness decreases with time, so boosters are indicated. Also, an upsurge of anti-vax nutters thanks in part to Wakefield. " If some people choose to not vaccinate their children I don't believe for a second it will put other children at risk. " Then you're patently delusional delusional. See measles outbreaks, see 70-75% unvaccinated, 25-30% vaccinated. "Don't you agree they all should be safe ??????????????" Nothing is safe, you take a risk every time you wake up, every time you drink water, every time you drive a car. Life is risk. We make choices to mitigate that risk. We wear seat belts, we get air bags, we don't leap out of bed before opening our eyes. The DTaP has serious side effect in less than 1:1,000,000. if this number was the full fraction, and all those children exploded, it would take 10 years to equal the death rate in the 1940s from tetanus. For tetanus alone is a net win. Compare to the 1940-1945 figure for whooping cough, 15%. Compare .0001% to 15%. The risk is tiny, the reward is great. We kicked polio's butt, and the polio vaccine used was even more risky. 1:750,000 were affected with serious side affects, tens of kids experienced paralysis. But you know what, the risk of the vaccine was so much lower the risk of contracting wide type polio, and this disease was eradicated from north america, and practically around the world. No one in their right mind would accept the risk of polio over benefits and risk of the vaccine. And get this, in the 21st century, half your children don't drop dead before they become adults. "Now I lost my husband and my youngest daughter has autism" There is no objective evidence any vaccine contributes to autism. NONE. "What do you think you would do in my shoes ?" Do objective research, and baring any allergy or concrete medical rational get the damned vaccine, and report anyone who doesn't to CPS, because the goal here is to render these diseases extinct, so we don't need

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vaccines. Our parents and their parents accepted a greater risk to kick Polio in the butt. Unvaccindated children present a risk to society. It's one thing if you make an objective choice based on something real, or have a religious tenant , or a philosophy like vegetarianism. Society is willing to accept some risk for these freedoms. But society accepts no risk for the ill-informed, and this delusional upsurge has resulted in outbreaks and death. about an hour ago Like 5 April Miner I wish I could "Like" each point individually! about an hour ago Like 3 April Miner my last comment was @ Matt about an hour ago Like 2 Carla Dreyer Fletcher The 50 page consent for was not made up. I assume you are a younger group than I . I also assumed you were open minded but you all just proved me wrong. It was a 50 page consent it was a Dr in north Nj named Dr Morano. It was in 1984. It was the HIB vaccine when it was first introduced. And my daughters reaction to the vaccine was the night she got it 4 hours exactly after the vaccine. I have the ER report somewhere if you'd like if I find it I'll scan it in for ya. I never said Autism was a death sentence. You made that one up yourself. . And where did . I describe my daughter ? She is a thriving adult now and very successful thank you very much. It was a tough road but we got there together. You people are all hypocrites of the worst kind. When I read read your description saying you were open to discussion j thought it would be of the intellectual kind but you know what happens when you assume. There is no Autism I. Either side of the families also. What ever. I'm do e with this. Thought I would get intelligent responses. about an hour ago via mobile Like 1 Brian Burnshire Yeah, Matt, that's a lot like saying, "I was in that theater, but I didn't get shot, therefore there was no risk of getting shot". :) about an hour ago via mobile Like 2 Russell Mayes This is the very reason that Obamacare is going to be bad, I do not take the flu shot any more, the reason is everytime i had the shot I got sick, in the three years I stopped taking the shot, I have not gotten sick. Everytime I say no to the shot they do try and make you feel like a bad person. It does not stop there either they do it in schools and in the work place. about an hour ago Like Carla Dreyer Fletcher My husband died of CiDP. He was a firefighter I. irvington NJ. He was on 20/20 along with several others . A Dr of medicine and science fro Baylor college who developed vaccines was also on. You were all prob on AOL back then pretending to invite open discussions only to trash talk people who actually have an opposing opinion you should really change the description of this page. about an hour ago via mobile Like April Miner Carla, I didn't say YOU described your daughter that way. i DID state that my comment was going "off topic" a little, because it was a thought that I had after reading your post and the comments made by Zoey. A lot of AVers DO think that Autism is the end of the world. I made SURE to choose my words carefully NOT to offend you, but THANKS about an hour ago Like 1 Matt Zukowski Carla Dreyer Fletcher @ "Thought I would get intelligent responses." You did. From me you got the risk analysis, demonstration of your logical fallacy, and why your social obligations should include getting vaccines. I demonstrated that you were wrong about the non-vaccinated presenting a risk to others, and even proposed we as a society accept some risk for some rational. I didn't even assert that you were a bad mother because your great grand parents took a larger risk to kick polio in the butt. But yeah, you are a bad mother if you don't vaccinate based on stuff you read on a vax-conspiracy website. You're putting your kids at risk your putting other kids at risk out of fear, and you enjoy the benefits of other people who are willing to take this small risk for this huge reward. It's selfish, shortsighted, and devoid of all moral and ethical worth. about an hour ago Like 3 Ann Marie Hammond OP - don't try talking to these guys. It's pointless Good job listening to your mommy intuition! about an hour ago Like Chillin' Out, Vaxin', Relaxin' All Cool The first hib vaccine was licensed in 1985 (the conjugate vaccine we use now was in 1987). Was this part of a clinical trial? about an hour ago Unlike 2 Matt Zukowski Carla Dreyer Fletcher @ "You were all prob on AOL back then pretending to invite open discussions only to trash talk people who actually have an opposing opinion you should really change the description of this page." I was NEVER on AOL, and I'm offended you think so. I was on CompuServe back in 1982, and I'm sure you'll find most of us got internet accounts rather than AOL service, unless we had employers who got AOL contracts for e-mail. AOL was kind of for people who actually had no brains, or commodore 64s. Anti-vax folks are conspiracy nutters, a bit like young earth creationists, moan hoax nuts, and holocaust deniers. Your logic is flawed, your argument of fallacious, and your actions present an objective risk to society. What do you expect. about an hour ago Like 1 Matt Zukowski Ann Marie Hammond @ "OP - don't try talking to these guys. - It's pointless - Good job listening to your mommy intuition" Yeah, forget EVERY respectable medical organization in the world, your personal physician, and all objective

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research done in the past 50 years. Go with your gut. What's the worst that can happen, your child could get a rare infectious disease leaving them cripple, disabled, brain damaged, or dead, and his friends, their parents, their friends. about an hour ago Like 1 Carla Dreyer Fletcher April. You did not but some one else insinuated it was the end of the world for her to have autism. And I was called a liar. If people did the research they say then they will find the HIB had a 50 page consent when my first child was born. My children had every vaccine except the HepB which they have a medical exemption for. I sat up every night with my daughter the youngest after every DPT while she screamed and her leg blew up. Her Dr gave it to her in quarters assuring me it will stop the pain fever and screaming. But it didn't . Every vaccine she had was at least 3 days and nights of pure agony. After her MMR I took her home and prepared for the night 3 hours later we were in The ER with a 107 fever and seizures. How can you say it wasn't from the vaccine? When every MD said it was ??????? Are you a Dr Martin? April. I agree vaccine reactions do seem to have a genetic link so why can't they test children of parents who have had adverse reactions to vaccines?? I myself had none their father did . It wouldn't be as costly as testing every child I should have been more specific when I asked about the testing. Only test children who have parents that had adverse reactions. It would be a smaller number I admit . My husband knowing he had bad reactions to his childhood vaccines took the HepB number one No one gave them the info on side effects and when not to continue taking the next 2 shots. The day after his first shot he was bed ridden that lasted 2 wks. After his second shot he started having other symptoms after the 3rd his symptoms became worse and he was ref to Un of Penn. where a neurologist for his medical records and the second visit he stated he had a Gillian barre syndrome this he diagnosed from the blood test he had when he went to the Dr when he couldn't get out of bed. The neurologist stated it was an adverse reaction to the vaccine and he should have been advised not to have the next 2. His name is Dr Brown at University of Penn hospital in Philadelphia PA. MERK and company contacted us also and asked for copies of his medical records . They made the vaccine he took. They also sent him for testing. His CIDP was an adverse reaction to the vaccine period. 40 minutes ago via mobile Like Stacy K. Hillenburg So, I asked my mom and she said that she never had to sign a consent that long for any of our vaccines. She said the longest one she had was about 3 pages and she thinks that was because there were a couple other tests they were running on my sister and I. My sister was born in 82, I was born in 77. 35 minutes ago Like Chillin' Out, Vaxin', Relaxin' All Cool people did the research they say then they will find the HIB had a 50 "If page consent when my first child was born." I tried. I can't find it. Certainly you, who has "done the research" and has actually seen this alleged form, can produce it? 33 minutes ago Like Chillin' Out, Vaxin', Relaxin' All Cool Indeed, Stacy, you don't have to sign any such thing to receive vaccines, except maybe initial or sign a place on a form to indicate that you did in fact receive it and received the VIS. It is not a liablity waiver or anything like that. And certainly not 50 pages. 31 minutes ago Like Chillin' Out, Vaxin', Relaxin' All Cool "How can you say it wasn't from the vaccine? When every MD said it was ??????? Are you a Dr Martin? " I am. Tell me, by what mechanism did "every MD" say caused this reaction? And what tests were done to conclusively rule out other, more likely possibilities like infection? 30 minutes ago Like Chillin' Out, Vaxin', Relaxin' All Cool agree vaccine reactions do seem to have a genetic link so why can't "I they test children of parents who have had adverse reactions to vaccines??" Test them for what? And how? 28 minutes ago Like Matt Zukowski Carla Dreyer Fletcher @ "If people did the research they say then they will find the HIB had a 50 page consent when my first child was born" Hmmmmm... you're the one making the claim, you have the burden of proof. When anyone publishes a paper, they don't say "well you can look it up", no, they provide citations. AFAIK the consent form is 1 page. http://mesapeds.com/pdfs/Immunization_Consent_Form.pdf or two pages http://www.kdheks.gov/immunize/imm_manual_pdf/Documentation_Consent_Form_English.pdf or one page to decline to vaccinate. http://performancepediatrics.com/uploads/refusal_to_vaccinate_form.pdf "I know that failure to follow the recommendations about vaccination may endanger the health or life of my child and others with which my child might come into contact. " This isn't hyperbole. I have no clue what you're talking about with no 50 page form. Maybe it was experimental at the time, maybe there were other tests that needed to be run. 25 minutes ago Like Carla Dreyer Fletcher Chillin they being in the field wod know what to test for. It's not for you to figure it out. They find genetic links to all kinds of medical disorders. 24 minutes ago via mobile Like

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We're talking your children here. I don't know of a single mother that can't recite virtually every medical test performed on their children with modest accuracy, with some consultation with her vax notebook. You do after all have to communicate with doctors and have "some" clue what's going on, you know, be proactive with your child's care. They're not interconnected as you might think, it's kind of your job. 9 minutes ago Like Write a comment...

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