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Went ahead and deleted that last thread. I think we discussed adequately the topic which was the point of the thread. The conversation degenerated from their to more childish ridicule by some of your followers. Seeing as how public perception is an important factor in running a small business, I find it counterproductive to associate with such rude folks as the couple of people who took over that thread.
Like Comment 2 people like this. Jay Kanta So many of us actual scientists have been anxiously awaiting that new diagnostic tool that allows everyone to diagnose "subluxations". A new type of body energy would be an incredible find. What exact measurement tools were used to document them? 59 minutes ago Like Jason Polk DC it is a straw man. i have never said chiropractic was a substitute OR that vaccines are a lie. i never said any of that. 59 minutes ago Like Allison Hagood I know, Jay! I am so excited about the Nobel Prize that the research team which identified and verified the existence of subluxations will receive. :) 58 minutes ago Like Jason Polk DC allison, you are just going to have to develop some patience. im not home right now and i dont have all that stuff in front of me on my iphone. i WILL get it to you. 58 minutes ago Like Jason Polk DC here is a great one to chew on in the meantime: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20889389 i have tons more when i get home. The Chiropractic Hospital-based Interventions Resear... [Spine J. 2010] PubMed - NCBI www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov PubMed comprises more than 22 million citations for biomedical literature from MEDLINE, life science journals, and online books. Citations may include links to fulltext content from PubMed Central and publisher web sites. 56 minutes ago Like Matt Zukowski And WTF, you're the one who posted the pic with the kid asserting a boosted immune system. So sorry, you're a liar, you promote Chiropractic as an alternative to vaccination. 56 minutes ago Like Jay Kanta Wow, actual evidence is going to be right here. I'm giddy. I can't wait to add it to my lengthy file containing all of the credible citations I use in my work. Hurry, Jason Polk DC, we've just never found a real chiroquacktor that would give us this previously hidden evidence. 55 minutes ago Like Allison Hagood He gave one! Unfortunately, not double-blinded - the outcome assessors were blind, but the Chat (15) participants in the different study groups were not. And it was about low back pain, one of the FEW areas where chiropractic might actually have some scientific validity. So, unfortunately, while Jason may believe that this is the Smoking Gun, as it were, it still suffers from a serious design flaw. The people receiving the care were aware of the care they were receiving. You'll notice that the summary says this is the first such study. So, I wonder where Jason is going to get the other "hundreds" of his cites? 51 minutes ago Like 1 Allison Hagood Also, yea, Jason? We saw your picture of the baby bragging about his awesome immune system because he'd been adjusted since birth (since birth?!?! What. The. Fuck.). So, either you DO promote chiropractic as being just as good as, or better than, vaccinations, or you are willing to post a picture that promotes that idea. Which is it? 50 minutes ago Unlike 2 Embarrassed Cousins of Proud Parents of Unvaccinated Children Oh man, see what happens when I take a nap? I think I'm going back to bed. 49 minutes ago Like 1 Jason Polk DC is the first reported randomized controlled trial comparing full CPG-based treatment" "This maybe if you knew what you were doing you wouldnt be incapable of understanding this statement. it is the first study that uses CPG and compares to PCP. 48 minutes ago Like Joy Joy Jason, are you and Allison going to make out already or WHAT?! 46 minutes ago Like 1
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Embarrassed Cousins of Proud Parents of Unvaccinated Children Jason: I'm no expert, but it's my understanding that part of the process is that when studies are published, the community will often pick it apart to determine the validity. Publication is not the beginning or the end, but another step in the process. If there is a reaction and rebuttal to the study, it's certainly relevant. 37 minutes ago Unlike 5 Embarrassed Cousins of Proud Parents of Unvaccinated Children I WIN! Now I'm going to find a drink. I'm sure I'll come back to find this thread deleted and a new one about 100 comments in to replace it. Godspeed. 34 minutes ago Like 2 Jay Kanta Jason Polk DC: I'll admit that I'm not too "up" on the "academic" qualities of a chiropractic program. @ Could you tell me exactly what courses you took that taught you about determining validity and reliability? What about the statistics courses? Did you ever do any critical examinations of publications or learn the philosophy of science? 34 minutes ago Like Allison Hagood It's not up to us to "understand it." It's up to you and your ilk to PROVE IT. This study is a flawed step in that process. 33 minutes ago Edited Like Jason Polk DC Allison, you are a community college teacher. i dont need you to talk down to me. i understand what a pilot study is. pilot studies are also often labeled as such upon their publication. your definition of a pilot study is a little off. but this is not a pilot study. 32 minutes ago Like Jay Kanta "Don't short-change me". Given my entire disrespect for the quack-practices of a "medical practice" that makes massive claims far beyond plausibility or defined mechanisms, I don't think I can short-change you. 32 minutes ago Like Jason Polk DC im not doing medicine dude. if all you want are drugs, youre talking to the wrong guy. 31 minutes ago Like Jay Kanta Given the small N, it most certainly is a pilot study. Oh, wait, even though chiropractics claim they are capable of medical intervention, it isn't "medicine". Hmmmm. Are you sure you're a chiropractor, or are you just pulling our legs? 29 minutes ago Like Allison Hagood Based on the sample size and the methodological flaws in it, I'd say it's AT BEST a pilot study. My students sometimes accuse me of talking down to them when I'm explaining something that they don't
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Your stated belief that medicine is nothing but drugs is typical of your quackery and your misguided brethren. 29 minutes ago Unlike 2 Matt Zukowski Embarrassed Cousins of Proud Parents of Unvaccinated Children Indeed, and this was a VERY LIMITED pilot study, small sample size across a wide age range, and wasn't double blind as indicated, unless they gassed the patients which isn't a bad idea actually. It's only cited 17 times, which is the important bit, as many peer reviewers are of the opinion that community criticism is the way to go even for a crap study. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1529943010011149 And I don't think anyone here every suggested that chiropractic isn't great for lower back pain. The question of the day is chiropractic care, from birth, being an alternative for vaccinations, as promoted by Mr. Polk DC. 29 minutes ago Like 1 Allison Hagood ACtually, I'M still waiting for that Nobel Prize-winning study that identifies, for the first time, subluxations. 28 minutes ago Like 1 Allison Hagood No worries, EC, I'm archiving the whole thing. 27 minutes ago Like 1 Jason Polk DC medicine has two tools: drugs and surgery. things that are not drugs and surgery, are competition and they call competition quackery. speaking of conspiracies, the AMA was convicted an unlawful conspiracy in restraint of trade "to contain and eliminate the chiropractic profession." (Wilk v. American Medical Ass'n, 671 F. Supp. 1465, N.D. Ill. 1987). this campaign went on for decades in an effort to convince the public that chiropractic was, as you say, quackery. it was a marketing campaign for christ's sake. it is why you people are so blind right now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilk_v._American_Medical_Association Wilk v. American Medical Association - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org Wilk v. American Medical Association, 895 F.2d 352 (7th Cir. 1990), was a federa... See More 26 minutes ago Like Jason Polk DC you guys arent the folks who publish research and probably cant even define pilot study without google. 25 minutes ago Like Embarrassed Cousins of Proud Parents of Unvaccinated Children Before I do go, I might note that anytime someone makes the accusation in these threads that someone is putting words in their mouth, I go back through to find that they have carefully avoided using their own words at all. So, Jason, can you please detail for us your views on vaccination and how chiropractic care does or does not fit into the need for vaccines? 24 minutes ago Unlike 2 Jason Polk DC If you follow this link, you realize that pilot studies in reputable journals are identified as such: http://www.nature.com/nnano/journal/v7/n7/full/nnano.2012.74.html 24 minutes ago Like Matt Zukowski Embarrassed Cousins of Proud Parents of Unvaccinated Children http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_trial Here's the lowdown on clinical trials. Sample size of 80 is Phase 1, or a pilot study, unless we're talking an exponentially rare condition, which lower back pain is not. It's pretty much good enough to establish safety to go up the chain. 24 minutes ago Like 2 Jay Kanta Ah, there we go, he's starting to get frustrated and show his true colors. You're young, Jason, your inexperience and lack of knowledge is absolutely clear. You stand a very good chance of making a complete ass of yourself and all of this is being captured, constantly. If you had an ounce of professionalism you would run and hide from this to protect what little credibility you might have with other chiropractors. 22 minutes ago Like 1 Jay Kanta For not being able to find the research on "subluxations" you sure can post other links. 22 minutes ago Like 1 Allison Hagood "Medicine has two tools, drugs and surgery" You're so full of shit I'm surprised you don't squeak when you walk. My doctor discusses diet, exercise, lifestyle changes, meditation, yoga, and all kinds of other things when I see her for my yearly checkup. You so obviously have never spoken to an actual doctor. 20 minutes ago Unlike 2 Embarrassed Cousins of Proud Parents of Unvaccinated Children (This, btw, is another example of how the anti-vax nut and the 9/11 nuts are so similar. They are really good at "asking questions" and "demanding proof", but never can seem to articulate exactly what their alternative reality is.) 20 minutes ago Like 2 Matt Zukowski you follow this link, you realize that pilot studies in reputable journals are identified" "If
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