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20-01-2010, 12:24 AM
:salam:
Can someone please mention the verdicts of our early and late scholars about the Shias/Rawafid/Imamis? Please make it properly referenced so it can be quoted
to others. I am not here to debate so please also keep this thread clean. :insh: if mods allow we can make this an official thread for scholars' verdicts on the
Shia.
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20-01-2010, 12:40 AM
:salam:
Can someone please mention the verdicts of our early and late scholars about the Shias/Rawafid/Imamis? Please make it properly referenced so it can be quoted
to others. I am not here to debate so please also keep this thread clean. :insh: if mods allow we can make this an official thread for scholars' verdicts on the
Shia.
:ws:
:salam:
It's better if you don't bring the debate on the thread.
The topic was dealt with on another thread already.....
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?38426-Who-say-Shia-Kafir/page2
http://www.al-inaam.com/fataawa/shia_kafir.htm
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20-01-2010, 12:57 AM
Assalam o 'alaykum,
It is good that you have brought up this topic. I will post everything I have in my possession and others are requested to do same. There are many who try to
sugar-coat or hide the verdicts of scholars to please their masters and portray Shi'as as our 'brothers'.
Verdict of Imam Abu Hanifah and Imam Muhammad
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Hafiz ibn Hajar Makki (may Allah have mercy on him) writes in Al-Sawaiq al-Muhriqah, p.362-363,
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"It was already mentioned that the Hanafi scholars condemned one with kufr who denies the caliphate of Sayyiduna Abu Bakr and Sayyiduna 'Umar (may Allah
be pleased with them). This ruling is mentioned in their books with detail as it is mentioned in Al-Asl by Imam Muhammad bin al-Hassan al-Shaybani (may Allah
have mercy upon him). It is obvious that they have inherited it from their Imam Abu Hanifah (may Allah be pleased with him) and he knows more about the
Rawafid as he is from Kufa and Kufa was the origin and headquarter of the Rawafid. Among the Rawafid, there are many groups, some must be condemned with
kufr while some not. So, when Imam Abu Hanifah regards the denier of caliphate of Sayyiduna Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him) as kafir, so one who
curses him will necessarily be called kafir except that if one makes some difference. As it is clear that the reason of declaring him as kafir is his opposition to the
ijma' (consensus) based upon the ruling that one who denies a unanimous matter (of religion) will be called kafir. This is a general rule among the theologians.
The caliphate of Sayyiduna Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him) is a unanimous matter from the time when Sayyiduna Umar came forward for his ba'yah
(solemn pledge of obedience), but it cannot be contradicted with the delay made by some Sahabah; since those who delayed in ba'yah they did not delay due to
any disagreement about his eligibility of caliphate, therefore they used to take his bestowals and used to take their issues to him. So, ba'yah is something and
ijma' is something else, and one is not necessary for the other. You should understand this point, as some people commit mistake therein. If you object that
calling anyone with kafir is conditioned with the rejection of a matter categorized as necessary in religion. I will say that the matter of his caliphate falls in the
same category; since it is proved from widely reported traditions to the extent of being necessary that the Sahabah took oath of allegiance (bayah) with him, so
this matter turned like a unanimous matter known necessarily. And there is no doubt in the matter and there was no Rafidhi in the period of Sayyiduna Abu
Bakr al-Siddiq, neither in the reign of Sayyiduna 'Umar nor Sayyiduna 'Uthman (may Allah be pleased with them) rather they emerged later on."
20-01-2010, 04:36 PM
Assalam o alaykum,
Verdict of Imam Sam'ani al-Shafi
Imam Abu Saad Sam'ani al-Shafi (d: 498H / may Allah have mercy on him) has quoted ijma (consensus) regarding the takfir of Imami Shi'as in his Kitab-
al-Ansab.
Imam Dhahbi (may Allah have mercy on him) has praised him in these words,
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(Tazkira, 4:107)
He writes,
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"The Ummah has a consensus (ijma) on the takfir of the Imamiyyah, because they believe the Companions (Sahabah) are misguided, they reject their consensus
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and they attribute to them that which does not befit them.
(Al-Ansab, 3:188)
20-01-2010, 06:23 PM
Verdict of Imam Sam'ani al-Shafi
Imam Abu Saad Sam'ani al-Shafi (d: 498H / may Allah have mercy on him) has quoted ijma (consensus) regarding the takfir of Imami Shi'as iin his Kitab-
al-Ansab.
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(Al-Ansab, 3:188)
AsSalaamu Alaikum,
I have a question (to anyone who may know).
We know 12-vers are called Kafir by consensus.
I know Tafdeeli Shias are not called non-muslims, unless they have kufriaa beliefs.
However, how about "Zaidi" shias, like the ones in Yemen.
Any views from scholars about Zaidis?
Are they Kaafirs or only Fasiqs of the worst kind etc.?
JazaakAllah Khairan.
20-01-2010, 11:26 PM
From: http://www.al-inaam.com/library/shia_ruling.htm
THE ISLAMIC RULING ON SHI'ITES
Early Scholars
Imaam ash-Shaafi`ee
On one occasion ash-Shaafi`ee said concerning the Shi`ites, "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Raafidite
Shi`ites."
On another occasion he said, "Narrate knowledge from everyone you meet except the Raafidite Shi`ites, because they invent Hadeeths and adopt them as part
of their religion." [Ibid, p. 38]
Imaam Abu Haneefah
It was reported that often Abu Haneefah used to repeat the following statement about the Shi`ites, "Whoever doubts whether they are disbelievers has himself
committed disbelief."
Imaam Maalik
Once Maalik was asked about them and he replied, "Do not speak to them nor narrate from them, for surely they are liars." [Minhaaj as-Sunnah, 1/37]
During a class of Imaam Maalik, it was mentioned that the Raafidite Shi`ites curse the Sahaabah. In reply, he quoted the Quranic verse, "Muhammad is the
Messenger of Allah and those with him are harsh with the disbelievers and gentle among themselves. So that the disbelievers may become enraged with them."
He then said, "Whoever becomes enraged when the Sahaabah are mentioned is one about whom the verse speaks." [Tafseeer al-Qurtubee, Soorah al-Fath;
Editor's note: That is, anyone who is enraged by the mention of the Sahaabah is a disbeliever, because the verse says, "...the disbelievers may become enraged
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with them (Sahaabah)."]
Ibn al-Mubaarak
Ibn al-Mubaarak was reported to have said, "Religion is gained from Ahl al-Hadeeth, scholastic theology and crafty exemptions from religious ordinances of Ahl
ar-Ray and lies from the Raafidite Shi`ites." [Adh-Dhahabee, al Muntaqaa min Minhaaj al-I`tidaal, p. 480]
Abu Zur`ah ar-Raazee
This great scholar was quoted as saying, "If you see someone degrade any of the companions of the Prophet, sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam, know that he is a
disbeliever. Because the Prophet, sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam, was real, what he brought was the truth and all of it was conveyed to us by the way of the
Sahaabah. What those disbelievers wish to do is to cast doubt on the reliability of our narrators in order to invalidate the Quraan and the Sunnah. Thus the
disbelievers are the ones most deserving defamation."
Al-Qaadee Abu Ya`laa
It was reported that Abu Ya`laa said, "The position of jurists concerning one who curses the Sahaabah, believing that such an act is permissible, is that he has
committed an act of disbelief. If he curses them but does not believe that cursing them is permissible, then he is guilty of immorality, and not disbelief." [Ibn
Taymeeyah, as-Sawaarim al-Maslool, p. 569]
At-Tahaawee
In his book on the Islamic creed, al-`Aqeedah at-Tahaawiyyah, the author states, "We love the companions of Allaah's Prophet, sallallaahu `alayhi wasallam,
without going overboard in our love of anyone of them or remaining aloof (tabarra) from any of them. We hate those who hate them or speak ill of them and we
only speak well of them. Loving them is a religious act, and an expression of faith and righteousness while hating them is an act of disbelief, hypocrisy and
transgression." [Sharh al-`Aqeedah at-Tahaawiyyah, p. 528]
Ibn Hazm al-Andaloosee
One day during the period of Muslim rule in Spain, Imaam Abu Muhammad ibn Hazm was having a debate with some Spanish Catholic priests about their
religious texts. He brought before them evidence of textual distortions in the Bible and the loss of original manuscripts. When they replied by pointing out to him
Shi`ite claims also being distorted, Ibn Hazm informed them that "Shi`ite could not be used as evidence against the Quraan or against Muslims because they are
not themselves Muslims." [Ibn Hazm, al-Fisaal fee al-Milal wa an-Nihal, 2/78 and 4/182]
Their claims have been rebutted by numerous other early scholars like Ibn Taymeeyah in Minhaaj as-Sunnah, adh-Dhahabee in Muntaqaa min Minhaaj
al-I`tidaal, Ibn Katheer in his history book [al-Bidaayah wa an-Nihaayah], Ibn al-Jawzee in Talbees Iblees, and al-Qaadee ibn al-`Arabee in al-`Awwaasim min
al-Qawaasim.
Contemporary Scholars
Imaam al-Aloosee
He declared the Raafidite Shi'ites disbelievers because of their defamation of the Sahaabah. His position was based on the rulings of Imam Malik and other
scholars who were in agreement with him. In reply to their claim to be Ahl Bayt (the Prophet's sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam family), al-Aloosee said, "No, they
are really followers of the Devils and Ahl Bayt are innocent of them."
Muhibbuddeen al-Khateeb
This scholar wrote a book on them called al Khutoot al-'Areedah lil-Usus allatee Qaama 'Alayhaa Deen ash-Shee'ah al-Ithnay 'Ashreeyah (lit. Broad outlines of
the basis for the Twelver Shi'ite Creed). He also footnoted earlier works on the Shee'ah like Al-Muntaqaa and 'Awaasim min al-Qaqaasim. In all of his works he
considers the Shi'ites to be disbelievers.
Bahjat al-Baitaar
When this great Syrian scholar was asked if transactions were permissible with Shi'ites, he replied in a book called Al-Islaam wa as-Sahaabah al-Kiraam bain
as-Sunnah wa ash-Shee'ah in which he said, "Political and economic dealings with them are allowed in the same way that they are allowed with states and
people with whom there are treaties in spite of differences between their lands and religions and ours. And help can only be sought from Allah."
Muhammad Rasheed Ridaa
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This scholar was among those who worked sincerely for rapproachment between the Sunnites and the Shi'ites, and they in turn pretended moderation for his
benefit. However, in the midst of his efforts they caught him by surprise by presenting him with some of their books which slandered Islaam. He then replied to
them in a paper called As-Sunnah wa ash-Shee'ah in which he exposed their doctrines and idolatrous practices.
Dr. Hilaalee
After living closely to the Shi'ites for some years, the famous Morrocan scholar, Dr Hilaalee, wrote a paper on them in which he declared them disbelievers.
Al-Basheer al-Ibraaheemee
While visiting Iraq, this professor who is the leading religious scholar in Algeria saw with his own eyes the Shi'ite book, Az-Zahraa, in which 'Umar ibn al-Khataab
- may Allah be pleased with him - is accused of homosexuality. On his return home to Algeria he exposed the Shi'ites and clearly outlined their principle beliefs
and practices.
Mustafaa as-Sibaa'ee
This eminent Palestinian scholar was also among those who lived with the Shi'ites for a period and worked for rapproachment with them; however, he soon
discovered their real intentions and noted them in the foreword of his classic, As-Sunnah wa Makaanatuhaa. He wrote, "Those people continue to hold fast to
their books in which slanderous attacks and false descriptions are given of the incidents of disagreement among the Sahaabah. Hence their intention behing the
call to rapprochement seems to be bringing the Sunnites closer to the Shi'ite creed and not bringing them closer to each other."
On another occasion, he wrote, "A Muslim would almost be in a state of total bewilderment and confusion at the audacity of these people towards Allah's
Messenger sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam were it not for his knowledge that most of the Raafidites are Persians. Some Persians feigned Islaam and used Shi'ism
as a cover for the destruction of Islaam. There were also among the Persians those who were unable to free themselves from the effects of their former religions
and thus they entered Islaam with a pagan mentality which did not mind telling lies about the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam"
Abul-A'laa al-Maududi
This Pakistani scholar and leader wrote an introduction to the book, Ar-Riddah bain al-Ams wa al-Yaum (lit. Apostasy in the Past and the Present) by Muhammad
KaadHim Habeeb published in 1977. In it the author wrote of the Imaami Ja'fari Shi'ites, "In spite of their moderate views (relative to other sects of Shi'ism),
they are swimming in disbelief like white blood cells in blood or like fish in water." Maududi supported these views by praising the author and recommending that
the book be done in hardback.
Among other contemporary scholars who have have made similar statements are: Shaikh Ibn Baaz, 'Allaamah ash-Shanqeetee, al-Albaanee, Ahmad Ameen,
an-Nashaasheebee and Dr. Rashaad Saalim.[I]The Mirage in Iran by Dr. Ahmad al-Afghaanee
Edited and Translated by: Abu Ameena Bilal Philips
21-01-2010, 01:00 AM
Assalam o alaykum,
Verdict of Imam Malik
Hafiz ibn Hajar Makki (may Allah have mercy on him) writes in Al-Sawaiq al-Muhriqah, p.294,
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"And from this verse, Imam Malik (may Allah have mercy on him), as reported from him, had deduced the verdict of kufr of Rawafid as they show hatred
towards the Sahabah. He further states because the Sahabah causes them anger and every individual who is angered by the Sahabah is a kafir. This extraction
is excellent as the verse in itself bears testimony to it. Therefore Imam Shafi (may Allah have mercy on him) has agreed with him (Imam Malik) on the verdict of
declaring them [Rawafid] kafir and a large group of Imams agreed with him too."
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Imam Qurtubi al-Maliki (d: 671H / may Allah have mercy on him) comments after producing the fatwa of Imam Malik,
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"Indeed, Malik did well in his statement and he reached the correct explanation. So whoever belittles a single one of them or reviles him in his narration, then he
has rejected Allah, the Lord of the worlds and he has nullified the Shari'ah of the Muslims. (Tafsir Qurtubi, 16:297)
This fatwa of Imam Malik was also quoted by:
1. Imam Al-Khilaal
2. Hafiz ibn Kathir
3. Imam Sayyid Alusi
4. Hafiz ibn Taymiyyah
5. Qadi 'Iyad Maliki
6. 'Allamah Abu Nu'aym
and others (may Allah have mercy on them).
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21-01-2010, 09:10 AM
AsSalaamu Alaikum,
I have a question (to anyone who may know).
We know 12-vers are called Kafir by consensus.
I know Tafdeeli Shias are not called non-muslims, unless they have kufriaa beliefs.
However, how about "Zaidi" shias, like the ones in Yemen.
Any views from scholars about Zaidis?
Are they Kaafirs or only Fasiqs of the worst kind etc.?
JazaakAllah Khairan.
Walikum-us-salam.
Zaidi Shias are not kafir. They are ahl-e-bidah.
21-01-2010, 08:15 PM
Assalam o alaykum,
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Verdict of Imam al-Shaf'i
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"Yusuf ibn Yahya al-Buwayti said, 'I asked al-Shaf'i (may Allah have mercy on him), 'Can I pray behind a Rafidhi?' He said, 'Do not pray behind the Rafidhi, nor
the Qadari, nor the Murjiyi'. I said, 'describe them to me.' He said, `The one who says that Iman is statement [only], then he is Murjiyi`. And whosoever says
that Abu Bakr and 'Umar (may Allah be pleased with them) are not the two imams, then he is a Rafidhi. And whosoever places the Will for himself, he is Qadari."
(Siyar A`lam al-Nubala' (http://ar.wikisource.org/wiki/%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%B1_%D8%A3%D8%B9%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85_ %D8%A7%D9%84
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22-01-2010, 04:58 PM
Assalam o alaykum,
Verdict of Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal
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"Imam al-Khilaal said: 'Abd al-Malik ibn 'Abd al-Hamid informed me saying: I heard Abu 'Abd Allah say: 'Whosoever reviles the Companions, then I fear disbelief
for him like the Rawafid'. Then he said, 'Whosoever reviles the Companions of the Prophet, then we do not believe he is safe from having rejected the Religion'.
(Sunnah lil-Khilaal, 3:493)
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"Abu Bakr mentions I asked Abu 'Abd Allah concerning the individual that verbally abuses Abu Bakr, Umar and A'ishah. He replied 'I do not regard them to be
Muslim.' He further says 'I have heard Malik say, 'Whoever verbally abuses the Sahabah of Rasul Allah he has no share in Islam'.
(Sunnah lil-Khilaal, 3:493)
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"Zakariyya bin Yahya mentions he has heard Abu Talib mention that he mentioned to Abu 'Abd Allah concerning an individual who verbally abuses Uthman and
people have mentioned this fact to me that he speaks ill of Uthman. He replied they [he ones who speak ill] are [I]zindiqs.
(Sunnah lil-Khilaal, 3:493)
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"Yusuf bin Musa mentions that Abu 'Abd Allah was asked - this was mentioned to me by Ali bin 'Abd al-Samad - He replied I asked Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal
concerning a Rafidi neighbor who greats me , should I answer his Salam? He replied 'No'."
(Sunnah lil-Khilaal, 3:493)
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"Muhammad bin al-Hussain mentions Fadhal bin Ziyad narrates that Abu 'Abd Allah said, 'Dont speak to Rawafid'.
(Sunnah lil-Khilaal, 3:494)
22-01-2010, 10:42 PM
Assalam o alaykum,
Verdict of 'Allamah Abu Sa'ud
Following is the fatwa of Shaykh al-Islam of Ottoman Empire, Allamah Abu Sa'ud, as quoted by 'Allamah ibn 'Abidin in his Rasa'il.
(may Allah have mercy on them)
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"Someone asked 'Allamah Abu Sa'ud about the Shia whether it was permissible to fight with them and will our people killed be regarded as martyrs as they claim
that their leader is from the progeny of Rasul Allah and how is it permissible when they recite the kalima 'la ilaha ilal lahu'. He answered by giving the following
fatwa, 'fighting against them is regarded as Jihad Akbar and those who are killed in battle against them are declared Shuhada (martyrs). They are renegades
against the Imam and are kafir because of many reasons. They are not included in the seventy three groups [of Islam]. They have openly innovated many acts
of kufr and falsehood in following their whims and fancies. The decision of their kufr is not based on one issue but daily it increases. Therefore the 'ulama of our
times have made ijma that it is permissible to kill them. Those who doubt their kufr becomes a kafir. According to Imam al-Azam Imam Abu Hanifah, Imam
Sufyan and Imam Auwzai if they repent then their repentance will be accepted like the rest of the kuffar. Imam Malik, Imam Shafi, Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal and
Layth bin Saad said that their repentance will not be accepted..."
(Rasa'il ibn 'Abidin, 1:368:369)
24-01-2010, 05:34 AM
Assalam o alaykum,
Verdict of Imam Bukhari
Imam Bukhari (may Allah have mercy on him) writes in his book,
I dont see any difference between praying Salat behind a Jahmi or a Rafidi and a Christian or a Jew [because these two sects are kafir like Jews and Christians,
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even if they refer to themselves as Muslim]. They [Jahmis/Rawfid] are not to be greeted, nor are they to be visited, nor are they to be married, nor is their
testimony to be accepted, nor are their sacrifices (zabiha) to be eaten.
(Khalq Af'al al-Ibad, p.13)
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Assalam o alaykum,
Verdicts of early Imams
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"Imam Muhammad bin Yusuf Faryabi was asked about the individual that abuses Abu Bakr? He replied, 'Kafir'. He was asked, 'should we read his janazah Salat?'
He replied, 'no'. He was asked 'what should be done with him because he declares 'laa ilaha il Allahu'? He replied, 'Dont touch him with your hands, and push
him into his grave with a pole'."
(Sunnah lil-Khilaal, 2:566)
788 -
"Harb mentions that Muhammad bin 'Abd al-Rahman Al-Jufi narrates that Hussain bin Ali narrates from Hani bin Ayyub that he asked Muharib bin Disaar
concerning backbiting the Rawafid . He mentioned (sarcastically) 'they are a very truthful nation'. Hussein mentions that it seems that he saw no problem with
backbiting the Rawafid."
(Sunnah lil-Khilaal, 3:495)
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"Similarly, Abu Bakr bin Hani has mentioned, 'the slaughtered animal of the Qadariyyah and the Rawafid are not to be eaten as the slaughtered animal of any
Murtad (apostate) with the fact that the slaughtered animal of the people of the book because they take the position of an apostate whereas the People of the
Book who live in Islamic lands remain practicing on their religions and they pay jizya."
(Sunnah lil-Khilaal, 3:495)
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"Imam Ahmad bin Yunus said, 'If a Jew was to sacrifice a lamb and a Rafidi were to sacrifice, I would surely eat the sacrifice of the Jew. And I would not eat the
sacrifice of the Rafidi because he is an apostate from Islam'."
(Al-Sarim al-Maslul, p.570)
24-01-2010, 10:53 PM
Assalam o alaykum,
Verdict of 'Allamah Abu Sa'ud
Following is the fatwa of Shaykh al-Islam of Ottoman Empire, Allamah Abu Sa'ud, as quoted by 'Allamah ibn Abidin in his Rasa'il.
(may Allah have mercy on them)
"Someone asked 'Allamah Abu Sa'ud about the Shia whether it was permissible to fight with them and will our people killed be regarded as martyrs as they claim
that their leader is from the progeny of Rasul Allah and how is it permissible when they recite the kalima 'la ilaha ilal lahu'. He answered by giving the following
fatwa, 'fighting against them is regarded as Jihad Akbar and those who are killed in battle against them are declared Shuhada (martyrs). They are renegades
against the Imam and are kafir because of many reasons. They are not included in the seventy three groups [of Islam]. They have openly innovated many acts
of kufr and falsehood in following their whims and fancies. The decision of their kufr is not based on one issue but daily it increases. Therefore the 'ulama of our
times have made ijma that it is permissible to kill them. Those who doubt their kufr becomes a kafir. According to Imam al-Azam Imam Abu Hanifah, Imam
Sufyan and Imam Auwzai if they repent then their repentance will be accepted like the rest of the kuffar. Imam Malik, Imam Shafi, Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal and
Layth bin Saad said that their repentance will not be accepted..."
(Rasa'il ibn Abidin, 1:368:369)
The above verdict can be found in the 15th risala from the rasa'il of Ibn Abidin, in the first volume. As the title suggests, it handles the ruling of those who insult
the Prophet or any of the Sahaba:
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http://www.waqfeya.com/book.php?bid=793 (p. 368)
The pages:
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25-01-2010, 08:09 AM
Assalam o alaykum,
Verdict of Qadi Iyad
Qadi Iyad Maliki (may Allah have mercy on him) writes in Al-Shifa,
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Saad
Zaineb
` : ` `
"And similarly we declare the extremist Rawafid kafir upon their statement that the imams are superior to the prophets."
(Al-Shifa, 2:286)
26-01-2010, 07:13 AM
Assalam o alaykum,
Verdict of Ibn Qutaybah al-Dinawri
Imam ibn Qutaybah (d: 276H / may Allah have mercy on him) said,
"Because the extremism of the Rafidah in love for Ali resembles the precedence that he and the Companions would give to the Messenger of Allah and their
claims of him sharing in Prophethood along with the Prophet and their ascribing knowledge of the unseen (ilm al-ghayb) to their imams and these statements
and secret affairs are combined with lying and disbelief through excessive ignorance and stupidity.
(Al-Ikhtilaf fil-Lafdh wa-Radd 'alal-Jahmiyyah wal-Mushabbihah, p. 47)
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26-01-2010, 05:40 PM
Assalam o alaykum,
Verdict of Abu Hamid Muhammad al-Maqdisi
'Allamah Maqdisi (d: 888H / may Allah have mercy on him) writes,
" ` ` ` `; "
"It is not hidden from anyone who possesses insight and understanding from amongst the Muslims that most of what we have discussed previously from the
topic of the beliefs of this group, the Rafidah, along with their various groupings, is clear disbelief (kufr) and stubborn rejection along with disgraceful ignorance.
The careful one will not hesitate in takfir of them and judging them to have become apostates from the Religion of Islam.
(Risalah fi-Radd 'alal-Rafidah, p. 200)
26-01-2010, 06:07 PM
Assalamu Alaykum
I have a question regarding Ismaili Shias. They're aqidah is somewhat similar to the rawafid I think. Are they faasiqs/non-muslim? Jazakallah
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Zaineb
Mubid al-Majus
maneatinglizard
Saad
26-01-2010, 06:11 PM
Assalamu Alaykum
I have a question regarding Ismaili Shias. They're aqidah is somewhat similar to the rawafid I think. Are they faasiqs/non-muslim? Jazakallah
:ws:
Actually they are far worse then Twelvers Shi'ah in the filthy 'aqidah of theirs!
26-01-2010, 06:17 PM
@ umar_italy-Jazakallah Khayran brother!!!!!!!!!
26-01-2010, 07:50 PM
:ws:
Actually they are far worse then Twelvers Shi'ah in the filthy 'aqidah of theirs!
And the scholars unanimously believe that they are out of the fold of Islam.
26-01-2010, 08:10 PM
@ umar_italy-Jazakallah Khayran brother!!!!!!!!!
:salam:
I believe they don't even pray, but instead follow their current leader in whatever he desires.
The Druze came from them, as far as I'm aware.
27-01-2010, 02:33 AM
Assalam o alaykum,
Verdict of Ibn Hazam
He writes,
~ ~ `;
"Verily the Rawafid are not from Islam and they are a sect thats beginning originates about twenty five years after the demise of Holy Messenger (Allah bless
him and give him peace). Their origin was in the acceptance of the invitation of the one Allah had disgraced ['Abd Allah ibn Saba]; the one who made evil plans
against Islam. They are a sect that is equated to the Jews and Christians in their lies and deceit."
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Saad
(Al-Fasal fi al-Milal, 2:65)
27-01-2010, 02:41 AM
Assalam o alaykum,
Verdict of Imam Abu Zar'ah
He (d: 264H) said,

~ ~
"If you see anyone degrade any of the Companions of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), know that he is a disbeliever (zindiq)."
(Al-Assabah, 1:10; Al-Kifayah, p.49)
Imam Abu Zar'ah was one of the teachers of Imam Muslim.
(may Allah have mercy on them)
28-01-2010, 04:44 AM
Assalam o alaykum,
Verdict of Mulla 'Ali Qari
Mulla Ali Qari (may Allah have mercy on him) wrote extensively refuting Shias. He writes at one place,
` ; `
"According to me, this is not the case with the Rawafid who emerged in our time, since they believe that most of the Sahabah were kafir let alone the Ahl
al-Sunnah wal Jamah, as they [Rawafid] are kafir unanimously (ijma') without any dissent."
(Mirqat, 9:137)
He also stated,
` `
"If anyone rejects Sayyiduna Abu Bakar and Sayyiduna 'Umar's (may Allah be pleased with them) khilafah, he would be considered a kafir. The reason for this is
that their khilafah was established through consensus (ijma') without any dispute."
(Sharah Fiqh al-Akbar, p.198)
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IslamicChamper
Ahmad_shakeel
And he said,
"A wali cannot reach the status of a prophet. This is because the prophets are: (1) sinless (masum), (2) protected from an evil death, (3) honored with
revelation to the extent that their dreams are also revelations, (4) they are able to see angels, and (5) commanded to propagate the injunctions [of Allah]. That
which has been narrated regarding the Karramiyyah that it is possible for a wali to be superior to a prophet is kufr, astrayness, heresy and ignorance."
(From Shias and Sunnis, The Difference -Dr. 'Allamah Khalid Mahmud)
28-01-2010, 05:18 AM
:subh: I was just reading a book in the masjid on Taqleed by Mufti Afzal Husein Ilyas and he was explaining how the rawafid don't believe in ijma' of
Sahaabah:anhum: and Qiyas,. In the book examples were given how ijma' and qiyas were used with the khulafaa Raashideen:anhum:
Snap, their dhalaalah is becoming clearer and clearer.
28-01-2010, 04:36 PM
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah
Amazing thread..was good reading all the way...
Im a former Shia....left shia Islam (Twelfer Shia Imam) after many years as devoted Shia...I have been a vitness to very much wrong teachings and wrong
behaviers.
During my last years as Shia, I began to investigate all these mistakes and I keept turning back to my Sunni Books, should mention that I was sunni when I
came to Islam.
What I have and had difficult by understanding, is that the major Mufti's or Sheikh's rarely talks about this issue of wrong teachings and wrong sect.
For a new Muslim or revert it is very difficult if you are trapped inside a group of Shia's before you actually know about Islam in general.
Any Im back, practicying Sunnah of the Prophet, salallahu alaihi wasallam...foremost living by Quran.
Thanks for this wonderfull thread..
Wa salam
28-01-2010, 05:02 PM
:salam:
Assalam o alaykum,
The word 'Rafidi' can be traced back to Holy Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace).
Sayyiduna Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) narrates from Holy Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace),
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"In later times a nation will appear [with all its pomp] known as Rawafid and they will leave ['usul and furu] of Islam." (Musnad Ahmad, 1:103)
Sayyiduna 'Abd Allah ibn Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) narrates,
~ ~ : -

"I was with Holy Prophet and Sayyiduna Ali was also present there and Holy Prophet said, 'O Ali, soon a nation will appear who will claim the love of Ahl al-Bayt
and they will be known as Rawafid, do qital against them as they will be mushriks." (Narrated by Tabarani and Majma al-Zawaid, 1:22 with a sound chain)
31638 - : ) ` )
"Sayyiduna Ali narrated that a nation will emerge and they will be known as Rawafid; they will claim to be from our group, but in reality they will not be from us;
their sign will be that they will abuse Sayyiduna Abu Bakr and Umar..." (Kanz al-Amal, 11:440)
There are similar narrations narrated in Musnad Abu Yala, Bazzar, Tabarani, Majma al-Zawaid , Kazn al-Amal , and Sawaiq al-Muhriqah, from various Sahabah
such as Sayyidah Fatimah bint Muhammad and Umm Salmah (may Allah be pleased with them).
In the narration below their sign is that they will criticize the early Muslims (Sahabah).
: ~ ~ " : ` `; `
: . " : ~ ` " : ` ` ` "
: ` ` : ) 11/440 )
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) ` ` )
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( ( ) `; ).
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: ~ : `;
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Imam Muhammad ibn Battah (d: 387H / may Allah have mercy on him) quotes in his Al-Ibanah al Kubra, hadith from Abu Ali bin Ismail bin Abbas al-Warraaq
who said: Hassan bin Muhammad bin as-Sabaah Zafarani narrated to me that Shabbabah said, that Sawadah bin Salamah said that Abd Allah bin Qays said, A
group of Christians came to Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) and at the head of them was a major scholar of the Jews. So the leader said: You debate about
how many groups the Jews split into? He said: Into seventy one sects. And Ali said: And this Ummah will split into similar to that, and the most deviated and
evil sect of them: the ones who call to us (Ahl al Bayt), and a sign of them is that they insult Abu Bakr and Umar (may Allah be pleased with them).
Scan from Al-Ibanah al Kubra:
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Ahmad_shakeel
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28-01-2010, 05:04 PM
Assalam o alaykum,
Difference between Shia & Rafidi
Allamah Sarfaraz Khan Safdar (may Allah have mercy on him) writes in Irshad al-Shia that one of the main reason for some scholars hesitation in takfir of Shias
in due to the fact that Shia and Rafidi had different connotation over the centuries. The word Shia had different meaning according to Mutaqaddimin while
Mutaakhirin used it in different sense. Let alone laymen, many scholars are not even aware of this difference and this can lead them to confusion when they
come across different rulings regarding Shias.
Hafiz ibn Hajar (may Allah have mercy on him) writes,
1:56
` `
So, tashayyu according to the earlier scholars (Mutaqaddimin) is to believe that Sayyiduna Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) is superior to Sayyiduna Usman
(may Allah be pleased with him) and that Sayyiduna Ali was rightful in his wars while his opponents were on wrong, whereas they regard Shaykhayn (Sayyiduna
Abu Bakr and Sayyiduna Umar, may Allah be pleased with them) superordinate and superior ... but according to the latter scholars, tashayyu is pure rifd, so the
tradition of extremist Rafidi will not be accepted and he will not be given any regard. (Tahzib al-Tahzib, 1:56)
And Imam Jalal al-Din Suyuti (may Allah have mercy on him) writes,
1:253 `
: `

` `
` `
"Al-Dhahabi (may Allah have mercy on him) has written this in al-Mizan and said: bidah is of two types; smaller like tashayyu without extremism, or with
extremism, like one who criticized those who fought Sayyiduna Ali. There were many such people in the tabiin and their followers along with religiousness, piety
and truthfulness. If their traditions are rejected, a good part of the Prophets (Allah bless him and give him peace) heritage will vanish, and this will be an open
evil. The second one is greater bidah like complete rifd and resorting to extremism in this regard, to debase Sayyiduna Abu Bakr and Sayyiduna Umar and
inviting to the same. So, these kinds of people will not be accepted and given any esteem. (Tadrib al-Rawi, 1:253)
Shaykh Sarfaraz mentions from this we know that Shias during the time of Salaf agreed with Ahl al-Sunnah wal Jamah on all matters of usul and furu apart
from giving preference to Sayyiduna Ali over Sayyiduna Usman but even this is bidah as it is against ijma of the Ummah. These people respected the Shaykhayn
and they didnt make takfir of Sayyiduna Muawiyyah (may Allah be pleased with him).
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28-01-2010, 05:26 PM
Assalam o alaykum,
Allamah Abdul Aziz Farharwi (d: 1300H / may Allah have mercy on him) writes in his Sharah of Sharah 'Aqaid of Allamah Saad al-Din Taftazani (d: 791H / may
Allah have mercy on him):
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"Some of the seniors ['ulama] have said that Rawafid are worse than Jews and Christians because Jews believe that Companions of Hadhrat Musa (may the
peace of Allah be upon him) are superior than all the nations. And Christians believe that Companions of Hadhrat Isa (may the peace of Allah be upon him) are
superior than all the nations. On the contrary, Rawafid believe that Companions of Muhammad (Allah bless him and give him peace) are worse of the people."
(Al-Nibras Sharah Sharah al-'Aqaid, p.304)
Imam Fakhr al-Din Razi (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
` `

~
"An ant from valley of the ants possesses more intellect than Rawafid. At the arrival of Hadhrat Sulayman (may the peace of Allah be upon him) and his army,
she addressed her ants:
"O ants, enter your homes before Hadhrat Sulayman and his army might crush you unintentionally."
Look, here an ant doesn't believe that companions of Sulayman will oppress even an ant intentionally. Contrary to this, Rawafid hold the belief of intentional
oppression from the Companions of Muhammad (Allah bless him and give him peace) towards the Ahl al-Bayt [of Sayyiduna Muhammad]."
[Al-Nibras Sharah Sharah al-'Aqaid, p.304 - Allamah Abdul Aziz Farharwi]
Shias descended from Jews - Shaykh Jailani
Assalam o alaykum,
Sayyid al-Taifa Shaykh Abd al-Qadir Jailani (may Allah have mercy on him) writes in Ghuniyat al-Talibin, p.231,
1. There are many similarities between the madhab of Jews and Rawafid. Imam al-Shabi (d: 105H / may Allah have mercy on him) said, calamity of Jews is the
calamity of Rawafid and vice versa. Jews believe that imamat is only in the progeny of Sayyiduna Dawud (may the peace of Allah be upon him) and Rawafid say
that imamat is only in the progeny of Sayyiduna Ali (may Allah be pleased with him).
2. Jews claim that there is no jihad until the appearance of Masih Dajjal while Rawafid claim that there is no jihad until the coming of Sayyiduna Mahdi.
3. Jews delay the Maghrib Salat and so do the Rawafid.
4. Jews stay away from the Qibla, and so do the Rawafid and they call out loud during Salat, and let their clothes hanging low in Salat. (Sadl below ankles
Our Traditionalist brethren should take heed from this)
5. Jew allow spilling the blood of the Muslims, so do the Rawafid.
6. Jews say there is no idah for women and so do the Rawafid. Jews say that three talaqs are nothing and so do Rawafid. (Our Ghayr Muqallid brethren should
take heed from this)
7. Jewish people distorted the Torah and the Rawafid distorted the Qur'an because they say the Qur'an is changed and distorted, they read it in impermissible
ways and say that there are additions in it.
8. And a group among them shows enmity towards Sayyiduna Gabriel (may the peace of Allah be upon him) like the Jews.
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Saad
Saad
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28-01-2010, 07:26 PM
Assalam o alaykum,
He also stated,
` `
"If anyone rejects Sayyiduna Abu Bakar and Sayyiduna Umar's (may Allah be pleased with them) khilafah, he would be considered a kafir. The reason for this is
that their khilafah was established through consensus (ijma) without any dispute."
(Sharah Fiqh al-Akbar, p.198)
what means by rejecting or denying?
28-01-2010, 10:04 PM
what means by rejecting or denying?
Assalam o alaykum,
That is a good question.
Imam Shah 'Abd al-'Aziz Muhaddith Dahlawi (may Allah have mercy on him) writes in Fatawa 'Azizi,

"Denying their deserveness (right) of it [Khilafah]."
It is the Shia belief that Sayyiduna Abu Bakr and Sayyiduna 'Umar didn't deserve to be rulers after the demise of Holy Messenger (Allah bless him and give him
peace). It was Sayyiduna Ali appointed as a Caliph by the Holy Messenger but the Companions stole it from him. It was the right of Sayyiduna Ali to be first
Caliph and not others.
So here rejecting doesn't mean denying the historical fact that Sayyiduna Abu Bakr and Sayyiduna 'Umar became Caliphs because no one holds such a view.
(may Allah be pleased with them)
30-01-2010, 12:17 AM
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Saad
Assalam o alaykum,
Verdicts of Shah 'Abd al-Aziz & Imam Kashmiri
Imam Sayyid Anwar Shah Kashmiri (may Allah have mercy on him) writes,
~ : . ~
"Shah Abd al-'Aziz declared Ithna 'Ashari Shias as kafir and said, 'Those who don't declare them kafir are not aware of their beliefs, and my fatwa is that they
are kafir.
(Faid al-Bari, 1:104)
Imam Shah Abd al-'Aziz Muhaddith Dahlawi (may Allah have mercy on him) writes in Fatawa Azizi,
`
`
"The Imamiyyah reject the Khilafah of Sayyiduna Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him) and it is mentioned in the books of fiqh that anyone who rejects the
Khilafah of Sayyiduna Abu Bakr rejects ijma' and becomes a kafir...According to the Hanafi fiqh the Shar'i (legal) ruling of Imami Shias is that of murtads
(apostates)."
(Fatawa 'Azizi, 358)
Imam Kashmiri further writes,
"Majority have declared kafir those who deny the Khilafah of Sayyiduna Abu Bakr...There is no difference that denier of Khilafah of either Sayyiduna Abu Bakr,
Sayyiduna 'Umar or Sayyiduna 'Usman (may Allah be pleased with them) is a kafir."
(Ikfar al-Mulhidin, p.51)
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30-01-2010, 04:24 AM
Brother, do you have any references though?? There seems to be a lot against the rawaafid but for Ismailis I've tried searching and I've come up with zilch.
Jazakallah
30-01-2010, 05:25 AM
Brother, do you have any references though?? There seems to be a lot against the rawaafid but for Ismailis I've tried searching and I've come up with zilch.
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Saad
Jazakallah
"Imam Shah Waliullah Muhaddith Dahlawi has written a book titled Qurrat al-Aynayn fi tafdil al-Shaykhayn. He writes in this book that at present the Shia are of
three types:
(1) Ismailiyyah
(2) Imamiyyah
(3) Zaydiyyah
The Ismailiyyah are absolute zindiqs.
The Imamiyyah are in reality rejectors of the finality of the prophet hood.
And the Zaydiyyah are those who always bear enmity towards the Muslims."
(From Shias and Sunnis, The Difference - Dr. 'Allamah Khalid Mahmud)
31-01-2010, 04:06 AM
Assalam o alaykum,
Verdict of 'Abd al-Qahir Baghdadi
Imam Abu Mansur 'Abd al-Qahir Baghdadi (d: 429H / may Allah have mercy on him) writes,
` ; ... ` ` ` `
"As for the people of desires; the Jarudiyyah, the Hashimiyyah, the Jahmiyyah, and the Imamiyyah who declare major Companions kafir...then, surely, we
declare them kafir, and it is neither permissible to pray upon their funeral according to us nor praying behind them."
(Al-Farqu Baina al-Firaq, p.357)
01-02-2010, 05:21 PM
Assalam o alaykum,
Verdict of Mufti Shafi' & others
The following fatwa was given by Mufti Muhammad Shafi', Shaykh Muhammad Izaz 'Ali, Mawlana Muhammad Rasul Khan, Mawlana Hamid Hassan and Mawlana
Masud Ahmed (may Allah have mercy on them).
"There are quite a few sects among Rawafid and their various beliefs and conceptions are falsehood and it is obligatory (wajib) to declare some of them kafir like
Ithna Ash'ari Shi'ah (Twelvers). That is why it is not permissible to enter matrimonial bonds with them; rather all sorts of Islamic ties and affinities should be
discarded."
Dar al-'Ulum Deoband
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Saad
Saad
Scan:
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01-02-2010, 05:43 PM
:salam:
I was just doing some reading and came across the Batiniyaa (radd of ismaili shias).
Is there a copy of it anywhere ?
:ws:
02-02-2010, 01:31 AM
Assalam o alaykum,
Verdict of Shaykh Saharanpuri
Question: Those Shia Sabbi [Tabarriyah - Imamiyyah] who refer to Sayyiduna 'Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) as Mushkil Kusha (Reliever, Redeemer) and
also take oath by his name; is it permissible to eat their zahiba?
Answer: According to the research scholars (muhaqqiqin) the ruling of Sabbi Rawafid is that of apostates (murtads), hence their zabihah is not halal; however
those scholars who consider them Ahl al-Kitab, it will be permissible according to them.
(Fatawa Mazahir al-Ulum, 1:287)
Scan:
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03-02-2010, 02:34 AM
Assalam o alaykum,
Verdict of Mawlana Thanwi
When Hakim al-ummah Shaykh Ashraf Ali Thanwi (may Allah have mercy upon him) was alive, a unanimous fatwa was issued about the kufr of the Twelver
Shi'ah. The fatwa was singed by Shaykh al-Islam Sayyid Hussain Ahmad Madani as well. Mawlana Abd al-Majid Daryabadi had some objections regarding the
fatwa and sent some queries to Shaykh Thanwi. In its reply, Shaykh answered all of his questions in detail and endorsed each and every part of the fatwa. We
shall quote here only one question and its answer.
(may Allah have mercy on them)
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Question: I liked the letter of Haji Sahib to Sir Sayyid very much that I published it in Sach and according to my humble opinion, it should be set as standard
and all the deviant sects should be treated according to the same i.e. we should neither show extraordinary compromise nor so much opposition that there
remains no difference between them and the Aryans, Christians, etc.
Answer: But, if they make themselves kafir, should we not regard them kafir? None in the world calls himself kafir, some call themselves Christians while some
call themselves Jews, but since the beliefs of these sects are based on heretic evidences; therefore they will be called kafir. So, the criteria are the heretic
beliefs. So, if a person admits that he belongs to Shiite sect and any of the beliefs attributed to the sect is kufr, so calling himself with the sect necessarily means
that he follows the same beliefs, so why should he not be declared kafir? If the heretic belief would have been disputed among them, we would have hesitated to
label him with kufr, but the case is not so. If there is some dispute, it is very minor which is refuted by the majority of their scholars. Thus, in this condition, kufr
will be established. Yes, if someone openly says that he does not adhere so and so belief or they make a group and call themselves with some other name e.g.
they associate them with the scholars who denied the belief of tahrif (in the Quran) like they call themselves Saduqi, Qumi, Murtazawi or Tabrasi instead of
calling Shia, then the particular person or group will be exempted from the generality. But, these exemptions will not cause any change in legal ruling;
prohibition of marriage with them and prohibition of their slaughtered animals are legal rulings, they will apply them as well until they are not well-known and
distinguished sect, especially in the case when they are suspected to resort to taqiyyah. Though we avoid having ill thinking about them but the precaution also
will be like ill thinking. Yes, he will be treated by Allah according to his personal belief. If a Hindu believes in tawhid and risalah (prophethood) but calls himself a
Hindu though with some misinterpretation, how he will be treated? The same case applies to them. There are some Hindus in district Fatahpur who recite the
Quran and Hadiths and perform Salat and Sawm, but call themselves Hindus. Their clothing and names are just like Hindus. If they call themselves Hindus and
do not disclose their creed, will anyone have to differentiate that, 'if they have such beliefs they are Hindu' and 'if they hold such beliefs they are Muslim'?
(Imdad al-Fatawa, 4:585-586)
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04-02-2010, 01:28 AM
Assalam o alaykum,
Verdict of Mawlana Ludhianwi Shaheed
Question:
1. Are Shias Muslim or kafir?
2. What do scholars say regarding reading or leading a janazah of Shias?
3. Is it allowed to eat stuff cooked in Shia houses?
4. Is the zabihah of Shias permissible?
Answer:
"Shia Itna 'Asharis are of the view of tahrif in the Qur'an, consider Sahabah to be kafir and murtad apart from three or four, and consider eleven imams after
Sayyiduna Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) to be masum (infallible), obedience to whom is obligatory (muftarid al-ta'at), and consider them superior than the
Prophets and all these beliefs are mentioned in major and reliable books of their religion and it is apparent that those who hold such beliefs are not Muslim. Their
zabihah is not halal nor is it allowed to read their janazah and it is not allowed to bury them in the graveyard of Muslims.
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If an individual claims that he doesn't hold such beliefs then [1] he must exonerate [denounce] himself from the religion that has such beliefs , [2] and that [he
should deem] [I]takfir of people with such beliefs necessary. Until he does that, he would be considered pertaining to such [above mentioned] beliefs and his
denial would be ascribed as taqiyyah."
(Aap kay Masa'il aur un ka Hal, 4:242)
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07-02-2010, 02:44 AM
Assalam o alaykum,
Verdicts re: Raj'at
'Allamah Dr. Khalid Mahmud writes in Shias and Sunnis, The Difference,
"The belief in Rajat is also a distinct cause of kufr.
From among the many beliefs of the Ithna 'Ashari Shia, the belief in Rajat also forms a fundamental belief. It is their belief that prior to the day of resurrection,
the dead person has to come back into the world. The pious persons of the highest category will be brought of life again and their enemies will also be brought to
life. Both these groups will come back into this world (Rajat) and the pious persons will take full revenge from their opponents."
The scholar of the fifth century, Imam Abu Shakur Muhammad Shaghib al-Kabshi al-Salimi (may Alllah have mercy on him), writes,
"The person who believes that Sayyiduna .Ali, his children and his companions will return to the world and take revenge from their enemies then this belief is
kufr because he is rejecting the text [of the Quran] and the day of Resurrection.
(Shias and Sunnis, The Difference Dr. 'Allamah Khalid Mahmud)
It is written in Fatawa al-Hindiyyah,


"It is compulsory (wajib) to declare the Rawafid kafir because of their belief that the dead returns (Raj'ah) to this world."
(Fatawa Alamgiri, 17:154)
Imam Barbahari al-Hanbali (d. 329H / may Allah have mercy on him), said,
The return to this world of those who have died (Raj'ah) is an innovation and is disbelief in Allah, the Sublime. Whoever professes to believe it, is a disbeliever
in Allah and in this there is no doubt. Whoever believes in Raj'ah and says that Ali ibn Abi Talib is alive and will return before the Day of Resurrection and says
the same concerning Muhammad ibn Ali, Jafar ibn Muhammad and Musa ibn Jafar and talks about station of the imams that they know unseen, beware of them!
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