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Note: there is a hydrate water call 8 pm, Eastern Mondays, 218-844-3388 966771# Howards home number: 302-875-2653 (between 9:30, a.m, and 7:00, p.m.) Check out: www.escapeharrassment.com www.escape-tickets-IRS-court.org All correspondence to: Gemini Investment Research Group, POB 398, Delmar, Del. 19940 (do not address mail to Howard Griswold since Howard has not taken up residence in that mailbox and since hes on good terms with his wife he isnt likely to in the foreseeable future.) Donations are accepted. "All" Howard's and GEMINI RESEARCH's information through the years, has been gathered, combined and collated into 3 "Home-Study Courses" and "Information packages" listed at www.peoples-rights.com "Mail Order" DONATIONS and/or Toll-Free 1-877-544-4718 (24 Hours F.A.Q. line) Dave DiReamer can be reached at: notaxman@dmv.com Peoples-rights has a new book available from The Informer: Just Who Really Owns the United States, the International Monetary Fund, Federal Reserve, World Bank, Your House, Your Car, Everythingthe Myth and the Reality. Hell take $45 for the book to help with ads, but $40 would be ok which includes shipping ($35 barebones minimum) www.peoples-rights.com c/o 1624 Savannah Road, Lewes, Delaware 19958 ******************** I am not a public servant {officer or employee} and any claim to the contrary must be proved by payroll records and my alleged public servant {officer} title and sworn under penalty of perjury with full commercial liability for the person who swears to it. Im not an officer or agent or employee of the government. I am not resident within the government and any claim to the contrary must be proved by payroll records. Prove that Im being paid by the government to be a government employee. If you cant then your law doesnt apply to me. Government has all the right in the world to make laws and rules regulating itself.

When they impose any of these rules and regulations beyond government upon any of us {private} theyre breaching their fiduciary duty {as public officers and trustees of government}. All employees of government are in a trustee position. The courts have said this emphatically Public means governmentprivate means non-government. Your acceptance of anything that government offers you at any level in any way, shape or form is a consent to cooperate with them and to put yourself under their authority and control. Governments have all the authority, rights and duties to make all the laws necessary to regulate themselves. Their law, rules, regulations, codes and so-called statutes do not apply to the people outside of government. **************** The scam that has been used is this lawyer reference to resident. You are a resident of the State of Blank. They will always say that. They will go so far as to put it in writing in the complaints or motions to the courts that the defendants, the plaintiff or any other party is a resident of the State of Blank. In order to get the individual under the jurisdiction of the courtthey use this languagethis is a presumption that is created which must be rebutted with rebuttable evidence to prevent them from proceeding against you. Now, this is going to really upset lawyers and judges because if you learn how to do this, and its not hard, but if you learn how to do this and you take an affidavit into court with a motion to dismiss under Rule 12(b)(6), they fail to state a claim upon which relief can be granted, thats Rule 12(b)(6) because the complaint is made against a person who is not a resident of the State. Accompany that with an affidavit signed and sworn to under penalty of perjury and witnessed by a notary public that states the same thing, I am not a resident of the State of Blank because I do not work for the State of Blank. I am not employed in any way, shape or form. I am not an officer of the State of Blank. The presumption that I am is erroneous and must be corrected on the record. Simple enough, isnt it? Motion to dismiss this claim under Rule 12(b)(6) because the claim fails to state a claim upon which relief can be granted against a person who is not a resident of the State of Blank. End of motion. Between the two, the motion and the affidavit, the court must rule and it must rule that you are not the person that the complaint can be lodged against. The case must be dismissed. When they dont then you want to start looking up this Code of Judicial Ethics. Theyre not following the law. ******************** If they create the presumption and you rebut it and then they come back at you with, well you do have a drivers license, you say, well, if I do its also erroneous. Dont let them trick you back into admitting that youre within the state because if you have a drivers license its within the states jurisdiction. *********************** There is no government left. The government has ceased to function in its normal position that it was in under the Constitution. Everything has been farmed out to

privately owned corporations to do the government work. So Social Security is actually a private insurance company. Its not government. Its doing it for government but its there for anybody to do business with it. So, in reality social security is not a benefit or a privilege from government but theyll try to tell you it is. All you got to do is do a little bit of leg work to find where its listed as a business on Dunn and Bradstreet and present it to them that, look, this is a private company. Its in business to make money. This is not government. ********************************* If you look at most statutes thats what they say and all persons only applies to all persons in the agency that they give it to unless it specifically says, all persons who have a license to sell alcohol or all persons who operate a motor vehicle or all persons who have a license to sell tobacco products. It has to be specific. It cant just say all persons and when it does it hasnt been properly assigned to the agency for implementation. So what the agencies do is they sue in their own name. For instance, the IRS makes a complaint against you under United States v. You or The United States of America v. You, IRS, Department of the Treasury complaining that you didnt pay taxes. Well, what they are doing is acting as an assignee of an authority to collect taxes but where in the statutes were they assigned this authority to take you to court, to bring claims against you? Its not there. ********************************** This is all important to understand that in most cases the actual action is being made against you by an assigned person. Either the agency has been assigned or has not been assigned. The police department is acting like they are the assignee but by law have not been assigned to do the functions that theyre doing. There is no statutory law that they can bring themselves within a provision of in order to execute the assignment of action that theyre doing, an action on a negotiable instrument of any kind is an action on a note or on a chosen action. ******************************* Every action shall be prosecuted in the name of the real party in interest. The rule requires you to objectan objection for ratification of commencement of the action by or joinder or substitution of the real party in interest and such ratification, joinder or substitution shall have the same effect as if the action had been commenced in the name of the real party in interest. See the trickery of this kind of stuff that lawyers put together? As long as you dont object we can do this with assignment and get away with it and theyre doing it and theyre getting away with it because we dont know enough to object. ********************************** It is a dishonest act of enforcing a law upon a private individual that government has no right, no power, no authority whatsoever to enforce upon the private individual. That is breach of their fiduciary duty with no stupid questions asked. When you file a breach of fiduciary duty case you are actually filing in equity. Leave out all statutory references even though that example that we send around came out of Colorado forms and it refers to a Colorado statutory representation that does put it in equity but it isnt necessary to quote any statutory reference in order to open the court of equity which is the Article 3 courts

(unless youre a teacher or government worker or have contracted with the government with full disclosure, etc whereby youre not private anymore and youre resident within the government.) You got to be party to government to enjoy governments benefits, privileges and opportunities. ********************* The executive branch of government is only enforcing the legislation for the benefit of protecting the government and not necessarily doing what theyre supposed to do to protect us. The one that is the most guilty of not following the law is the judges. It comes from the canon of ethics for judicial conduct. Canon #2, very important, the canon says: a judge shall avoid impropriety and the appearance of impropriety in all of the judges activities. Subsection A, Promoting Public Confidence. You know anybody whos competent in the courts? I dont. Nobody believes the courts are honest, correct and truthful and fairnot even most of the lawyers. ******************** This defendant states that he is without knowledge sufficient to form a belief as to the correctness of the statement of the claim of the plaintiffs and he neither admits nor denies the allegations concerning the claims of the plaintiffs but demands the plaintiffs strictly prove their claim. ************************************ Failing to answer is devastatingits a total loss. Failing to answer and back the answer up with an affidavit denying what they claim amounts to a total loss. A vague or ambiguous complaint is remedied by a request for a more definite statement. That will put things off for a little while until you get a decent statement. You must object to whatever they finally state by affidavit. ************************************ Now, another rule that I found to be interesting Rule 11. Rule 11, its called signing of pleadings but its got a very interesting statement in it that I think clarifies something I bought up a week or two ago and that is I have been finding that lawyers are not making a notice of appearance and putting it in the docket record of the case and I thought sure they were supposed to because I read parts of the dictionary definition to you about the appearance of an attorney and the duty of the court recorder to put it in the docket. The docket is the list of actions that are done within a court action. The complaint itself, the answer to the complaint, the motion to dismiss, all those different functions that go on within a complaint, notices that are written into it, theyre all docketed in this sheet called the docking sheet or a docket sheet depending upon what court and what name they have for it. ************************************* We need to object every time an attorney goes into court and the docket sheet shows that they have not entered their appearance on the docket sheet with an official entry that everything that theyre doing is a sham pleading and that they should be sanctioned for this or at least ordered by the court to put the notice into the record that they are the attorney for the attorney for the party before they proceed any further. That will stop the proceeding for that day. ********************************************

The reason why lawyers dont write affidavits is because the lawyer cant. They dont have first-hand knowledge. They cannot testify because they werent there. ******************************* Sometimes theyll get an affidavit signed by somebody they call a robo signer, somebody who signs hundreds and hundreds of these affidavits for the benefits of the lawyers that theyre not the real party in interest. Theyre not real either and that can be proven. All you have to do is object to that affidavit because you have no proof from this party that they actually work for such-and-such a bank or suchand-such a government agency or whatever. You have no proof given within the affidavit and you have no proof that this individual was there at the time of the incident or the transaction and really does have first-hand knowledge because they didnt express that in the affidavitand they dont. And thats how you object to their affidavits and that proves that theyre just a robo-signer, theyre not the real party. *************************************** Theyll always say that we need the information from you. The burden of proof is upon the complaining party, not upon the defendant. That, again, is a violation of due process. **************************************** You didnt give me enough knowledge or information about what youre talking about to give you a responsive answer. *************************************** How can there possibly be a credit card when the law forbids the banks to lend credit? ************************************** Dont give them the facts that they want. Dont give them the answers to creates facts or even the appearance of facts that they want. The burden of evidence according to the law is upon the complaining party, not upon the defendant. The defendant doesnt have to produce or admit to anything. *************************** Their own paperwork is your evidence to prove their dishonest act, have a copy of the statute, for instance, that shows what they were supposed to do which they didnt do or a copy of the rule that shows what they were supposed to do that they didnt donot that complicated for any of us to do. **************************************** The state of some name is the government. We have been so misled into thinking that we live in the state of something but when in fact the only time youre in the state of something is when youre employed as an officer or an employee of the state government or any of its political subdivisions. *************************************** Look it up in the states laws. Every state has laws on the procedure of how theyre supposed to do things, even the rules of filing a complaint. They can be found and those rules require things that are commonly left out of complaints.

*************************************** The whole basis of appeal is based on whether or not due process was met and whether the judge erred in the due process. **************************** Resident means located at, an agent of or associated with the state government when you admit to being a resident of the state. When they make a claim that youre a resident of the state you can rebut that claim by an affidavit stating that you are not a resident of the state. You are not employed by the government and if they want to claim that you are all they have to do is come up with payroll records to prove it. Caution: The Department of Education is an agency of the State. ***************************** What land is in the State of Blank? Certainly not your private land that you bought the land that the state bought to build state office buildings or state agencies would be in the State of Blank, not your private land. That law does not apply to private land and it cannot. The law is not allowed by the constitutional mandates to extend any of its law and its activities of taxation and regulation to private property. So it cannot extend to your private land and cannot require your private land to be recorded. But some lawyer told you it had to be because he lies and you didnt question it, you let it happen and its recorded. If you want to get out of the private property tax or the property tax on private propertyI should have said that more correctlyyou have to get that deed back out of their records, out of their recording to that land. The same thing applies to birth certificates. The only thing that the law related to births can apply to its corporations. It cannot apply to a natural child birth of people because the government is a corporation and the only thing a corporation can do is deal with other corporations and it can even extend the authority of operating as a corporation to individuals who request such an authority from the state. And on the date that that requested corporation is authorized that corporation is born and that birth has to be recorded in the states records as a corporation. A natural child from natural people does not fall under that statute. The wording does not cover people and any lawyer that will tell you that it does is lying to you. ******************************** Christian Walters (trusts) is on Mondays, Tuesdays and Saturdays at nine o'clock, Eastern Time. The number is 1-712-432-0075 and the pin is 149939# (9 pm EST). Wednesdays number is 1-724-444-7444 and the pin is 41875# (8 pm, Eastern) or tune in on Wednesday at Talkshoe.com at http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp? masterId=41875&cmd=tc Often you can find a transcript or a partial one for the weeks call at the following website: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peoplelookingforthetruth Howard approves or disapproves all postings to this yahoo group. Send potential posting to Howard.

Note: questions to Howard are now submitted to Howard, preferably typed, to Gemini Research rather than fielded on the call live. It would be desirable to send a couple of bucks for mailing, copying and printing costs. ********************* Extra legal help is available from the firm, Ketchum, Dewey, Cheatham and Howe. ******************************************************************* **************************************** For reference: Jersey City v. Hague, 115 Atlantic Reporter 2nd, page 8 (A 2nd ) ********** Project for all: Howard needs information on how to write a complaint for breach of the trust. Hit the libraries! He would appreciate any research help. ***************************************************** Start ***************************************************** {02:15:43.330} [Howard] for those of you who end up in court there is a I brought this up last weekI talked about itIm not sure that I got this point through because Ive talked to a couple of people that are using all my calls and it didnt sit with them. They didnt get anything out of what I talked about, this court case that I brought up last week. Thomas Hutchens v. Maxicenters USA is the name of the case. It is found at 541 Southern Rptr 2d, p. 618. It is a discussion by the dissenting judge. Its the only discussion in the whole case about the courts failure to address personal rights in property, that the court relied strictly on legal maneuvers and legal procedures and did not involve equity in their decision. They would not use equity to protect the individual rights of the people in their decision. This is what the judge talked about. The dissenting judge talked for, I think, its 3 and a half pages or four and a half pages, something like that. I really havent looked at maybe its five. Its about four and a half pages. About personal rights of people, the private rights of the individual and that they are not protected by law. Now, why did it take us so long to come up with this, to find and realize that the law is not there for our benefit. Equity is there for our benefit. Equity protects the individual and his liberty and his property rights, not the law, much less the common law because the common law was abolished in 1939 by the Erie Railroad decision. It no longer exists as it did prior to that decision. Today, the common law is the commercial law. The commercial law is codified as the Uniform Commercial Code accepted and ratified by every state in the union. Its in their code books. If somebody were to take the effort to bother to study a little bit and

read that code and read the Rules of Court they would find that it fits exactly what the Supreme Court said in 1939 that from now on the rules of decisions of the courts will be in accordance with the negotiable instrument laws and not with the common law as it existed prior to this. And theres a good reason for this. And whoever wrote this stupid article that the country is not brokeit doesnt matter what kind of money is where, its not money. Theres no reality to this money. Theres no wealth or value behind this money. Its is broke. Its been broke since 1933 when the government declared that gold and silver were no longer going to be money. Well, actually they declared that silver would not be money all the way back in 1871 {Earnest Seyd, British agent} but who knows that? Nobody reads the newspapers much less do they read the statutory laws. Silver was abolished as money in 1871 by Congress {they sold out cheap). Gold was abolished as money in 1933 and that took it all the way. There is no valued money in circulation. Everything today is negotiable instruments. Thats why the court ruled as it did and correctly so. If Congress is going to get away with this and if nobodys going to challenge the fact that Congress did this wrongly to take away the value of money and replace it with worthless paperand nobodys challenged that, not really, not correctly. Being they havent the Supreme Court said, without a challenge to that we have to go along with it and we have to address the issue thats in front of us. And the issue in front of is can the common law still apply? And no, it cannot. Everything has to be done with negotiable instrument laws today because all we have in circulation is negotiable instruments. We have no equitable principles in court anymore to bring these private rights of value forward. Isnt it interesting what our legal profession in this country, law enforcement idiots from the bottom to the top have managed to accomplish and do to us, to take away any remedy that would protect the individuals private property rights within the courts by abolishing the use of equity and combining it with law and then statutorizing it so that you could only use the part that was applicable through the statute and not the general equitable principles that regulate and control the law. Now, if you understand this and you wont. Probably even reading this case you still wont but thinking about it eventually listening to us talk about this in the extent to which it goes that we will cover at different times and have covered parts of in the past and will in the future, continue to cover it eventually you may get the drift of it and you will be able to say to a judgeand the case that Dave just read, this very last thing that he coveredthat gentlemen that was trying to do that to show that the government personnel had not done what they were supposed to dothey are the supposed to be the trustees. At every level of government, government employees are trustees, the courts have said. As trustees they have a duty to protect us, the American people, to look out for our personal property rights, our liberties, not to look out for the benefit of government to profit off of us for the benefit of government but this is what theyre doing. This is dishonestnow, dishonest simply because it is the opposite of the purpose of government. The real purpose of government is spelled out in the preamble of the state constitutions and the Preamble to the United States Constitution. Now, of course, that wording was done by people with intelligence several centuries ago, something that has been completely diluted in the people ever since then by education. So it may be a little bit hard for you to grasp the concept that government has a duty to protect commerce to make sure that it is there for our benefit. Government has a duty to create a military force for the benefit of protection of the American people, to defend the country. Who gave them the right to attack another

countryits not in the Constitution. I guess we did by not objecting when they did it in masses. Well, thats because we have educated people in the masses, as Neil Bortz would refer to the people, the dumb masses. Now, dont say that too fast or youll know exactly what he called the people. Education has made us stupid. Now, stupid is fixable. Ignorance is something that might not be able to be fixed, but stupidity can. Stupidity is caused by leadership, by control over the people and the people can overcome that. They can overcome stupidity. Downright ignorance thats because everything is lacking completely, theres nothing there to learn from, well, that might not be overcomeable. But stupidity yeahIll grant you I went to school. I got somewhat of an education and I came out just as stupid as anybody else. But I put out an effort in my life to try to overcome that stupidity. Now, Im not doing too well. I realized that theres so much more yet for me to learn, so much that I dont realize and so much to be proven such as what I have said about the courts being corrupt. They are not there to protect the interest of the people. They are there to extort from the people for the benefit of government and thats all theyve been doing. I couldnt prove that but if you get a hold of this case. Hutchens v. Maxicenters USA 541 Southern Rptr 2d, p. 618. Get the dissenting opinion, the follow-up of the original case that was filed and the original denial. This was a motion for a re-hearing en banc. Motion for re-hearing en banc is denied. That was the end of this part of the case. And then this judge named Cowart disagreed and one of the other judges, Judge Cobb, also concurred with the dissenting opinion of Judge Cowart. Out of seven judges on the court panel that were named two of them disagreed with the court. Of course, five to two, you know who loses, dont you? The two. The court got away with what it normally does but these two stood up and spoke out and agreed that the court is not doing what its supposed to do, that the lawyers are idiots. As a matter of fact one of the comments that was made by this judge is, unfortunately, equity is no longer taught in our law schools as a separate body of substantive law. The separate treatises on the subject by Pomoroy, Story and Conan are now substantially out of print and the field is clearly declining in recognition. They dont even recognize equity. Equity was what was used in England. It grew out of the common law because the harshness of common law, that the law could be used against you to harm you and equity was the only thing that would protect you from that harm. Thats how the equity courts came to be to protect an individual from the harm of the law. In America were supposed to have equity. It supposedly came to this country from the English law that we brought here with us. Theyre doing away with it, these are the lawyers. The lawyers are behind this. The lawyers want to be able to use the law to steal everything from us which theyre very effectively doing. They dont want equity. They dont want to protect our rights. They dont want to protect the individuals. The problem we have in this country is lawyers. Shakespeare once wrote that if you want to straighten out a corrupt nation the first thing you have to do is kill all the lawyers. I disagreed with that when I first heard of it or read it. I dont think thats a real good idea but the more Ive learned about what lawyers are doing the more I realized that Mr. Shakespeare was 100% correct. These lawyers have to be done away with. And in America like I told you earlier we do not have jury trials. We lynch thieves. Look at the history of America. We lynch thieves in America. We do not have jury trials. The state government has jury trials. The state governments laws apply to people that work for the state and for property of the state. Thats all they apply to. They dont apply to your private property or to your life. When the state interferes with

your life you have the last word according to the 10th Amendment of the United States Constitution and the last word could be lynching. Lynch these bastards. Dont go out there with gunslynch them. Do it at night time in the cover of dark in the public square from the cross tie of a telephone pole. Leave their body hanging there so that the people in town get to see that these people that are corrupt are being lynched. Maybe itll wake a few of them of upI hope that it only takes a couple of lynchings, I really do, to wake the rest up and make them quit what theyre doing. Save their own lives. I dont want everybody killed. But I see things getting very violent in the near future and there will be guns, there will be plenty of guns. As a matter of fact theres a Bible story that says the government will bring troops from foreign lands in against us for a little while as long as the money system lasts. And they will bring so many guns that we will kill a bunch of them, take their guns, have so many guns we wont need them as guns so well break the stocks off and the Bible says well use them for firewood to keep warm. Well burn the stocks from the weapons. Interesting little story. I forget where that is in the Bible and which Bible its in because theres dozens of different versions of the Bible out there and theyre not all identical which just shows you that theres something wrong with religion because if it was all true and all provable and all honest it would all be written the same way, wouldnt it? And when theres conflicts between the books then evidently theres something wrong with the truthits not all there. But anyhow, this case that I keep referring back to is a means for you to hand it to a judge and show him that you will not put up with the fact that the court will not protect your private property rights no matter what they might be, your private automobile, your private land, your private labor against any kind of claims of government to extort from you. You will not put up with it and you will not put up with the fact that the court has set equity aside and refuses to protect your rights, that lawyers dont understand it. Youre not going to put up with that. What you will do is you will bring an equitable action of breach of fiduciary duty which is breach of the trust against everyone of these people who are dishonest and not doing what the Constitution and the trust part of it says. And the trust part of it is the preambles. Thats what sets up the trust. The rest of the Constitution is all the organization of government except for that Article 4, Section 4 that guarantees a republican form of government. All the rest of it is the duties of government, the establishment of government, the powers and authorities of offices of government. Thats all it is. Its a set of bylaws for a corporation. Theyre written identically the same way, believe it or not whether its a corporation like General Motors or a corporation like the United States of America or the State of Blank, theyre all corporations and their bylaws are all written basically the same way, any corporation at all, Wall Mart, Inc., every corporation, their bylaws are written the same way. They establish that there is an executive office, a president with certain powers and duties. They establish that there is a board of directors. We call it the legislature in the Constitution. All it is, is a board of directors, thats the legislature. They sit down and make the rules. They decide what the corporation is going to do and how its going to proceed. And then theres an enforcement arm. Do you know that every corporation has the right to have its own police force, the power to have its own police force to police its own properties? Well, the state government has the right to have a police force to police its own property. And if you break into their property and steal you can be arrested by those police and they would have absolute authority when they catch you trespassing on their property and stealing

something to arrest you. They could bring their laws against you because you broke into state property. Outside of state property they have no authority whatsoever when theyre sent out here by these idiot lawyers and tell these little idiot cops to come out and do these things to your private property. Theyre outside of their authority. Theyre far beyond their authoritytheyre breaching their trust duty. Theyre not supposed to be out here imposing their laws on you and me. But you and I have a duty as well as a right to go into court and bring a claim against a fellow American who did something wrong to you if you wish to do that. Thats what the courts are supposed to be there for to resolve disputes and differences between us, the people, not for the good of government to extort from us which is exactly what this scum lawyer system has been doing for years and getting away with it. And were starting to wake up, just barely starting to wake up. They have a duty to protect our interests. They have a duty to protect our property and our rights in property which is what our interest is. They have a duty to protect our liberty that we are to be left alone to move about freely, to involve ourselves in commerce, to get a license in commerce and follow the commercial rules if we wish or to just move about freely and have our own little private business organizations, little activities like manufacturing chairs in the garage in the back yard and selling them to somebody. Thats not a commercial business. Thats a little private activity. A commercial business is when youre dealing in paper internationally such as bills of lading or deeds or mortgages or insurances. These are commercial activities. Well, Social Security is an insurance, did you know that? You happen to be the insurer. You have to read and do a little bit of studying about how Social Security is set up. But you and I that are asked to sign up, all of us stupid people in America that arent required to but did sign up, we are the insurer of all the other people that have signed up and they are the insurer ofincluding us. [Dave] It was originally called the FICA, Federal Insurance Contributions Act, not Social Security. [Howard] Thats right. That is what its called. Thats the technical name for it. Its an insurance operation. It is not a government agency. It is a private corporation. They cannot associate your connection with Social Security with a government benefit because its not a government agency so its not a government benefit. So how can it be a privilege that attaches you to the income tax? What a fraud and a scam these people have perpetrated on the American people. Wake up, Americans.