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OriginallyPostedbyStephenBrown Tutanka, Greatvid.Areyouusingahighvoltageplasmatoignitetheairpassingthroughyourreactor. ThisiswhatHeinzseemedtobedoingwithhispistonthrowingexperiment. Thisisaverythoughtprovokingthread. 70%nitrogenintheairwebreath. Stephen HelloStephen, Idon'tusehighvoltageorplasmaforigniteair.. Thenewtheoryofelectrinoaboutairasfuelandnotjustasoxidantisproved. Thelittlevideowasshotinthedarkbecausetheflameistootransparenttobeseeninthelight.The nitrogenreactcompletelyinsidethereaction. Theflameproducedishot(about3000F)andionizedandcanbeuseddirectlywithanMHDgenerator.

Thisisrealvideoandnotjustwords!!!
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OriginallyPostedbytutanka HelloStephen, Idon'tusehighvoltageorplasmaforigniteair.. Thenewtheoryofelectrinoaboutairasfuelandnotjustasoxidantisproved. Theflameproducedishot(about3000F)andionizedandcanbeuseddirectlywithanMHD generator.

Thisisrealvideoandnotjustwords!!!
Tutanka CouldyousiteacoupleoflinkswhereIcouldreadaboutelectrinotheory. Also,whatisanMHDGenerator?? Idon'thaveanyproblempurchasinginformation($200foryourbook)(air4gas.com)Idoiteverydayina numberofwaysandIlovetosupportgoodresearch. Couldyoutalkabitmoreabouthowyouwillplantoapplythistechnology? Thanks Stephen __________________ Potential, is a terrible thing to waste.
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OriginallyPostedbyStephenBrown Tutanka CouldyousiteacoupleoflinkswhereIcouldreadaboutelectrinotheory. Also,whatisanMHDGenerator?? Idon'thaveanyproblempurchasinginformation($200foryourbook)(air4gas.com)Idoitevery dayinanumberofwaysandIlovetosupportgoodresearch. Couldyoutalkabitmoreabouthowyouwillplantoapplythistechnology? Thanks Stephen Electrinoisansmallpositiveparticlepresentinmagneticfield.Thetheoryismadefromrussianscientist calledD.H.BAZIEV. AboutMHDgeneratorhereyoucanfindmoreinformations..MagnetoHydroDynamicMHDElectricity Generation Onthebook(printingstage)don'tarepresentplansbutjustdocumentedexplainationsofthistechnology. Withjust200$youcan'thavealsoplansbutthisbookopenthemindsandanyonecanbuildanownsystem differentfromothersandreachtotheendthesameresult.
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Tutanka, Youhavementionedthatyouneednoinput,Soyourpulsecircuitisjustforelectronextraction,correct? Regards!

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MagnetoHydroDynamicMHDElectricityGeneration Thatsaveryinterestinglink.CouldthisbewhatstanmeyerwasemployinginhisEPGsystem??
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OriginallyPostedbypmazz850 MagnetoHydroDynamicMHDElectricityGeneration Thatsaveryinterestinglink.CouldthisbewhatstanmeyerwasemployinginhisEPGsystem?? teslaozonegenerator http://www.freeenergyinfo.co.uk/Ch11/Fig1.gif PracticalGuidetoFreeEnergyDevicesChapter11

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OriginallyPostedbywings teslaozonegenerator http://www.freeenergyinfo.co.uk/Ch11/Fig1.gif PracticalGuidetoFreeEnergyDevicesChapter11

Thanksforthat!!
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justtogiveyouaheadstartaspden'spatentisnotthesameastesla'spatent,it'snojokewhentutankasays thatairisignited(turnedintoaplasma),fromaquicklookthispagePracticalGuidetoFreeEnergyDevices Chapter11willonlyconfuseyou. __________________ Thepureinheartwillseethelight.

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Firsttimementionedhere.Providesomedetails.
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OriginallyPostedbypmazz850 Thanksforthat!! IMOthisisonlyapartofthedevice theother FuellesscombustionofAIR!!!

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OriginallyPostedbyEMCSQ aspden'spatent? Firsttimementionedhere.Providesomedetails. didyouevenreadthispage?PracticalGuidetoFreeEnergyDevicesChapter11positivechargeshelp indeed..butyouneedbalancethatswhyhhohelpsevenmore. __________________ Thepureinheartwillseethelight.

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OriginallyPostedbypmazz850 Tutanka, Youhavementionedthatyouneednoinput,Soyourpulsecircuitisjustforelectronextraction, correct? Regards! NOhighvoltage,PlasmadischargeorEECareusedinside. Thisiselectrinoreactorworking.

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HeinzKlostermannandTamerlaneSanchezVideo

IhavewatchnowtheHeinzKlostermannandTamerlaneSanchezVideoandtheyaskthat: "Thevoltagedischargetransformplasmacreatedfromairintokineticenergy" Idon'tagreewiththatdefinition.. Theshock(highmagneticfield)generatedfromcapacitordischargefromthetwoelectrodesinsidecylinder generateelectrinoreactionburningtheair(*)inside. Whentheairburnistransformedtotallyandoxygenandnitrogenaredestroyed!! Theydon'thavecheckedthefinalreactionjustpushthepiston. ThekineticenergydefinitedbyMr.HeinzKlostermanninfactiscombustionenergyreleasedfromair. (*)=humidityofair

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OriginallyPostedbytutanka IhavewatchnowtheHeinzKlostermannandTamerlaneSanchezVideoandtheyaskthat: "Thevoltagedischargetransformplasmacreatedfromairintokineticenergy" Idon'tagreewiththatdefinition.. Theshock(highmagneticfield)generatedfromcapacitordischargefromthetwoelectrodesinside cylindergenerateelectrinoreactionburningtheair(*)inside. Whentheairburnistransformedtotallyandoxygenandnitrogenaredestroyed!! Theydon'thavecheckedthefinalreactionjustpushthepiston. ThekineticenergydefinitedbyMr.HeinzKlostermanninfactiscombustionenergyreleasedfrom air. (*)=humidityofair InhisYouTubevideo,HeinzKlostermanndoesnotmentionwater/humidity/mistasanessentialingredientin hispistonpowerdemonstration.Howdoweknowhisdevicerequireswater?
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OriginallyPostedbyTerbo InhisYouTubevideo,HeinzKlostermanndoesnotmentionwater/humidity/mistasanessential ingredientinhispistonpowerdemonstration.Howdoweknowhisdevicerequireswater? Insidethevideoalsocircuitdon'tproducejustplasma.Isee4electricalcontactinsidecylinder.Inallcase aircontaineverylittleamountofwater..formewaterisimportantintotheprocess

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OriginallyPostedbytutanka NOhighvoltage,PlasmadischargeorEECareusedinside. Thisiselectrinoreactorworking. Tutanka, Youwrotehere: Therearetwomethodsforreachthesoftionization,Meyerhaveusedelectromagneticmethod(notHV)and photons(fornitrogenionization),mydeviceuseJUSTnaturalandpreciouscomponentsandhaveanlifeof 400years.?InallcaseEEC(ElectronExtractionCircuit)isneededforreachthesoftionization. Soiselectronextracrionneededinyourreactor?OrwereyoujusttalkingaboutMeyerssystem

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OriginallyPostedbytutanka Insidethevideoalsocircuitdon'tproducejustplasma.Isee4electricalcontactinsidecylinder.Inall caseaircontaineverylittleamountofwater..formewaterisimportantintotheprocess thisvideo? PulserPlasmaEngineCore:RecoveringthePappEngineYouTube

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OriginallyPostedbywings thisvideo? PulserPlasmaEngineCore:RecoveringthePappEngineYouTube Yes.ThatisthevideoIreferencedinmycommentsaboutwater?intheKlostermannexperiment.

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thisvideo? PulserPlasmaEngineCore:RecoveringthePappEngineYouTube Yes..thecircuitpresentinthisvideo

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OriginallyPostedbytutanka Insidethevideoalsocircuitdon'tproducejustplasma.Isee4electricalcontactinsidecylinder.Inall caseaircontaineverylittleamountofwater..formewaterisimportantintotheprocess LookingatKlostermann'sschematic,the4conductorscompriseasimpletriggeredsparkgap.Thetopand bottomelectrodescreateahighvoltage,lowcurrentsparkthationizesthegasbetweentheleftandright electrodesthatconductahighcurrentpulsefromthe500voltcapacitoroncetheionizationchannelis established.

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OriginallyPostedbyTerbo LookingatKlostermann'sschematic,the4conductorscompriseasimpletriggeredsparkgap.The topandbottomelectrodescreateahighvoltage,lowcurrentsparkthationizesthegasbetweenthe leftandrightelectrodesthatconductahighcurrentpulsefromthe500voltcapacitoroncethe ionizationchannelisestablished. Themainquestioniswhytheyusedualenergysource?

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OriginallyPostedbytutanka Themainquestioniswhytheyusedualenergysource? PEMMMotorHarnessesAntimatterandElectronAvalanche IgnitionSecretsbyAaronMurakami***NEWRELEASE*** GrayTubeReplication GrayTubeReplication WaterSparkplug

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OriginallyPostedbyBerg Plainair:Dischargingacapintoionizedair:Whycouldn'tyouusethisconcepttofashionagun? IMOPlasma http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics) ....Thepresenceofanonnegligiblenumberofchargecarriersmakestheplasmaelectricallyconductiveso thatitrespondsstronglytoelectromagneticfields..... http://jlnlabs.online.fr/vsg/protelf_anm.gif ?

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OriginallyPostedbypmazz850 Tutanka, Youwrotehere: Therearetwomethodsforreachthesoftionization,Meyerhaveusedelectromagneticmethod(not HV)andphotons(fornitrogenionization),mydeviceuseJUSTnaturalandpreciouscomponentsand haveanlifeof400years.?InallcaseEEC(ElectronExtractionCircuit)isneededforreachthesoft ionization. Soiselectronextracrionneededinyourreactor?OrwereyoujusttalkingaboutMeyerssystem Isancompletelydifferentsystem..nothingtodowiththegasprocessor

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veryhardtodoproperionization..turningairintopositiveionsisntthebestthingtodo...butworkslike klostermannshowed.. __________________ Thepureinheartwillseethelight.

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OriginallyPostedbytachyon veryhardtodoproperionization..turningairintopositiveionsisntthebestthingtodo...butworks likeklostermannshowed.. Tutankaand/orTachyon, Couldyoutalkabouttheresultingcompoundsfromthistypeofionizedcombustion. IreadDr.Baziezpaperbutthechemistrywasabitovermyhead. Whatwouldthemajorbyproducts/compoundsbeofionizedburninginthisway. Oxygen,nitrogenandabitofhho.I'mthinkingthereisnocarboninthisprocess. Justthinkingaboutlongterm,widespreadadoptionofthisprocess. Alwaysgoodtothinkahead! Stephen __________________ Potential, is a terrible thing to waste.
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OriginallyPostedbytachyon veryhardtodoproperionization..turningairintopositiveionsisntthebestthingtodo...butworks likeklostermannshowed.. Therearesomewaysforreachtheproperionizationnotjusthighvoltage

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thehardthingtodoiscontrolexactlytheionizationstateofeachelement..7billionpeopleonthisplanetno onehasfiguredthisoutoramIjustplainwrong? __________________ Thepureinheartwillseethelight.

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OriginallyPostedbyStephenBrown Tutankaand/orTachyon, Couldyoutalkabouttheresultingcompoundsfromthistypeofionizedcombustion. IreadDr.Baziezpaperbutthechemistrywasabitovermyhead. Whatwouldthemajorbyproducts/compoundsbeofionizedburninginthisway. Oxygen,nitrogenandabitofhho.I'mthinkingthereisnocarboninthisprocess. Justthinkingaboutlongterm,widespreadadoptionofthisprocess. Alwaysgoodtothinkahead!

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