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BEGBATES : 265A-NY-280350-302-50722
DATE = 10/11/2001
FBIDESCR : INTERVIEW OF DANIEL JABEZ GRAY
FULLTEXT : FD-302 (Rev. 10-6-95)

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Date of transcription 10/15/2001

DANIEL JABEZ GRAY, President, Discount Gun Mart, 1510

Morena Boulevard, San Diego, California, business telephone number
619276-8730, was contacted telephonically in connection with
Control number 6900. After being advised of the identity of the
investigating agent and the nature of the telephone call, GRAY
provided the following information:

Special AgentL Jasked.GRAY to retain any sign

in sheets for the firearms range at Discount Gun Mart from October
7, 2000, and set them aside for a Federal Bureau of Investigation
FBI Special Agent to review within the next several days. I I
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explained that she had been told that Discount Gun Mart destroys Enforcement
sign in sheets after one year. Privacy
GRAY had already set aside the sign in sheets after he
had received a telephone call from a customer MALCOLM NANCE. NANCE
told GRAY not to destroy the sign in sheets because the FBI may
want to review them. NANCE told GRAY that he reported to the FBI /
that he had observed two Middle Eastern men when he was shooting at
Discount Gun Mart on October 7, 2000. One male was young and in
his twenties and the second male was older and in his forties.
NANCE believed that the younger Middle Eastern male resembled AHMED
ALNAMI, one of the deceased highjackers from United Airlines/flight
number 93.

GRAY told his employees about the telephone call from

NANCE, and one of his employees provided GRAY with.tne names of two
men he observed on October 2, 2001 who behaved the same way and fit "9/11
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and) IriQ further information. On that date the employee Privacy
noticed both men, one older and one younger, shooting quickly and
emptying their magazines. However, the Discount Gun Mart employee
believed the men spoke in Spanish, not Arabic.

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BEGPRODNO : M-INT-00012370
BEGBATES : 265A-NY-280350-302-50724
DATE =10/11/2001
FBIDESCR : INTERVIEW OF MALCOLM NANCE
FULLTEXT : FD-302 (Rev. 10-6-95)

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Date of transcription 10/11/2001

MALCOLM NANCE, bornf

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was interviewed t>y special Agents regarding Control number 6900. Privacy
Specifically, NANCE telephoned the Federal Bureau of Investigation
FBI to report that approximately one year ago, while at the
Discount Gun Mart, 1510 Moreno Boulevard, San Diego, California
CA, he observed two Saudi Arabian men, one of whom he believed
resembled AHMED AL-NAMI, one of the deceased highjackers from
United Airlines Flight number 93, that crashed in the countryside
in Pennsylvania. After being advised of the identities of the
interviewing agents, NANCE provided the following information:

NANCE retired from the Navy approximately five months

ago. Prior to retiring, NANCE was assigned as the Chief of
Advanced Terrorism, Hostage Survival School, San Diego, CA. NANCE
is a Navy trained Arabic linguist and is familiar with several
different dialects of Arabic. NANCE is also knowledgeable about
terrorist cells, and how they train and operate.

On October 7, 2000, approximately one week prior to the

bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen, NANCE visited the Discount Gun
Mart, 1510 Moreno Boulevard, San Diego, CA to use their firearms
range. NANCE observed two Middle Eastern men, one older and one
younger, signing in to use the range. The range is small as it
only has six lanes.

NANCE began to closely observe both men after hearing

both men converse in Arabic and watching the younger man fire his
weapon, a .22 caliber Lugar style weapon. The younger Middle
Eastern man was proficient in firearms as evidenced by him
completely and accurately emptying a magazine with rapid fire into
the target from the twenty five yard line. This seemed odd to
NANCE, as everyone else at the range was shooting slowly from a
short distance and using both hands. The younger man did not
appear to be formally trained in firearms. Instead, he appeared to
be showing off by shooting one handed, rapid fire, without taking
time to breathe or aim. Yet, he was accurately hitting the target.

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The younger man appeared to be training the older man on how to

operate a firearm. NANCE repeatedly heard the younger man telling
the older man to shoot faster.

Both Middle Eastern men left the Discount Gun Mart around
the same time as NANCE did, and he observed them getting into an
older car that did not appear to be in good condition. However,
NANCE could not recall the make or model but guessed that the car
may have been blue.

NANCE had completely forgotten about the incident. NANCE

only recalled the incident when he returned to San Diego after the
September 11 terrorist attacks, and was contemplating going to
Discount G_un Mart. The possibility that both Middle Eastern men
that NANCE had observed one year earlier may have been associated
with the September 11 attacks bothered NANCE, and he told DAVID
MITCHELL, telephone number 619545-4652, Chief Instructor, Navy
Force Protection Officers School, about his observation one year
prior.

After reviewing the FBI photographs of the terrorists

from the airplane highjackings on September 11, 2000, NANCE
believed that the younger Middle Eastern man he observed at
Discount Gun Mart resembled AHMED AL NAMI, one of the deceased
highjackers from United Airlines flight 93. In retrospect, NANCE
believed both Middle Eastern men were behaving and training with
firearms like members of a terrorist cell. NANCE contacted the Gun
Discount Mart and spoke to an employee who told him the store
retains sign in sheets for the firearms range for approximately one
year.

NANCE described the younger Middle Eastern man in his

twenties, between 57" and 5*9", weighing 150*160 pounds, clean
shaven, a good looking guy, almost "a pretty boy." At the time,
the younger man was dressed in western style clothing. The younger
Middle Eastern man was speaking Arabic in a Gulf dialect, which is
spoken in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.

The older man was in his forties, approximately 5'6"

tall, stocky build, clean shaven, black hair that was turning gray,
and he spoke Arabic with a Lebanese dialect. The older man was
wearing a collar shirt over a t-shirt with cartoon characters in
purple and pink that advertised a discount cigarette store in Las
Vegas, Nevada. NANCE remembered the t-shirt because the FBI had

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just arrested members of a Hezbollah group that had been operating

a discount cigarette store on the east coast.

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BEGBATES : 265A-NY-280350-302-113480
DATE = 10/22/2001
FBIDESCR : INTERVIEW OF JABIE GRAY
FULLTEXT : FD-302 (Rev. 10-6-95)

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Date of transcription 10/23/2001

On October 22, 2001, Jabie Gray, General Manager,

Discount Gun Mart & Indoor Range located, at 1510 MorenaBlvd.,
Suite F, San Diego, California Ca, phone 619 276-8730, was
interviewed at his place of employment. After being advised of the
identity of the interviewing agent and the nature of the interview
he provided the following information:

Robert Soldnski, an employees at Discount Gun Mart had

observed in October 2000, an individual who resembled Ahmed Alnami,
one of the terrorist who was on United flight §3 FBI Subject 8 at
the indoor range located at the Discount Gun Mart store.
According to Soldnski, the individual who resembled Alnami visited
the indoor range with other middle eastern individuals.
Interviewing agent then showed a picture of Alnami to Soldnski who
he identified as possibly being the above mentioned individual
(Robert Soldnski was interviewed by FBI SA! Ton
10/14/2001 regarding Soldnski's information on the terrorist. See
SAl lFD-302 dated 10/15/2001. Serial 4171 for details). \y then provided the interviewing
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receipt for an individuarfry.the name off I According.. •; Personal

to GrayJ ""land other: middle, eastern men used to shoot at trie Privacy
range during the time period Soldsnki.possibly.observed the
individual who resembled Alnami. According to Gray one of the
individual who was with! jaftriat time cbukipossibly be the
individual who resembeled Alnami. Interviewing agent reviewed the

Investigation on at
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above mentioned gun range receipt and noted the following

information:

Gray provided the following names of individuals who visit

Discount Gun Mart & Indoor range who are middle eastern nationals.

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