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this week.Chris are beingreteased Crimestatistics who has LizaGrobler, Barronaskedcriminologist just published a bookon the potice. . .
Doesit hetp having crime stats once a year? Not at all. The ideal situation is real-time statsor at least weekly. Any reasonwe are not getting them more freguently? Yet againit is political. The SAPS doesnot like to look bad.Oncea year is sort of manageable. Why are they not dealing with them? They havearresteda lot ofpolice, but that is all they'aredoing.They do not have corruption coitrols in placeto stopit from happeningin the first place.Or adequate supervision,or professional management.That is all lacking, and that is why police carry on doing what they are doing. Are they seriousabout rootiflg out corruption? Not at this point, no. Why not? Canyou Nobodylikes a scandal. imagine what they would seeif they really did start digging around? Theysayl 40Ocopshave a criminal record. ls that the tip of the iceberg? Yes,that is not a reflection at all. I would are on the say at least10% take. involved with criminals. What impact hascadre deploymenthad on the police? You It has beenhugely destructive. cannotmakea politician national commissioner of police. Nowhere in theworldindemocraticpolieing - agencies will you frnd somebody policeman who is not a seasoned because headingthat organisation, they do not understandit. Jackie His Selebidid tremendousdamage. arrogancewas matchedonly by his lack of knowledgeof policing.He thought he knew it all, but effectivelyhe knew nothing. of the Did Cele'smititarisation police teadto the brutatity we are seeingnow? I think a lot of other, systemic problemsled to that.It is the type of character they are letting into the police. How important is an efficient crime intelligenceunit? Extremely important, but at the moment it is toxic. They are using their resources and skills to do all sorts of other, political and criminal, things.Theyhave got massive discreflonary budgets, which are basically being plundered. And crime intelligence is the epicentreof solving crimes. At the moment it is not fuirctioning. Are you surprisedthat the national commissioneris supporting the reingtatementof suspendedcrime inteltigence boss RichardMdluli? No, becauseshe is a political appointment. ls shetaking orders? Unfortunately, when you put

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Wonld lt hlp to send in the army? If you use them to cordon off an area so the police can go in and do their thing, searchand seizure,the policing they need to do in that area. ls police corruption the causeof ongoing gangviotence? It is not the causebut it facilitates it. A corrupt copfacilitatesand enablesa gangsterto do what he does.If corrupt copswere dealt with, they rvouldbe doing what they shouldbe doing.They wouldbe arrestingthe drug dealers. instead oftaking bribesto let themgo.They would not be transporting abalone and drugs for whoeverpaysthem the most money.

ts the epicenfie of solving crimes. At the moment it is not functioning. Are you surprisedthat the national commissioneris supporting the reinstatementof suspendedcrime intettigencebossRichardMdluti? No, becauseshe is a political appointment. ls shetaking orders? Unfortunately, when you put someonein a powerful position for political reasons, the risk of political direction is huge. Obviously.Why put her there in the first placeand not a policeman? The argumentwas she had business and management skills? Irrelevant. This is not Woolworths.

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