The Atonement

Can one man die for another?

Did Messiah ?

by D. J. Love, Minister, TSN, SBC

(Upgraded 11-9-2001)

There appears to be some that believe or at least question as to whether or

not any man can die for another. Is this true? The verses in question are
stated below along with their explanation(s). I must say, however, that no
one should extract verses out of their intended context, and attempt to
haphazardly apply them in a generalized fashion. To do so is not an
indication of being led by Yahweh's Holy Spirit, but by the spirit of man
("legalism" and "self").

In Psalms 49:1-13 (below), verse seven appears to say "no man" can be a
redemption for the sins of another. And yet "In Context" Yahweh in His
wisdom has "Qualified" this statement by verse six to say, "Those who
trust in their wealth, and boast in the multitude of their riches --." In other
words, no follower of "Self" can redeem another man from his sins. If you
take the time to look up 1 John 5:14-17, you will see that the "Righteous"
can pray for the sin of another "True Believing" brother, and the (True
Believing) brother's sin will be forgiven him. That is all sin except
blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which is irrelevant, because a "True Believer"
can not blaspheme the Holy Spirit, as it is part of the requirement for being a
"True Believer." Please understand; only selfless "Sacrificial Love" can
redeem a man in the eyes of Yahweh, and this is what is meant by "Believing
in Yahweh," as Yahshua, also, "Believed in Yahweh," which is the same
thing as "Following in the Footsteps of Yahshua." Additionally, "Sacrificial
Love" means to do without "Self." Yahshua died on the tree to emphasize
what is meant by "Sacrificial Love".
 Psalms 49:1-13 (King David is a "True Believer")
Hear this, all you peoples. Listen, all you inhabitants of the world,
2 Both low and high, Rich and poor together.
3 My mouth will speak words of wisdom. My heart shall utter
understanding.
4 I will incline my ear to a proverb. I will open my riddle on the harp.
5 Why should I fear in the days of evil, When iniquity at my heels
surrounds me?
6 Those who trust in their wealth (instead of Yahweh), And boast in
the multitude of their (self) riches --
7 None of them (who trust in "Self") can by any means redeem his
brother (friend or relative), Nor give Yahweh a ransom for him.
8 For the redemption of their life is costly, No (worldly) payment is
ever enough,
9 That he should live on forever, That he should not see corruption.
10 For he sees that wise men die; Likewise the fool and the senseless
perish, And leave their wealth to others.
11 Their inward thought is, that their houses endure forever, And their
dwelling places to all generations. They call their lands after their own
names.
12 But man, despite his riches, doesn't endure. He is like the animals
that perish.
13 This is the destiny of those who are foolish, And of those who
approve their sayings. Selah.

In Deuteronomy 24:16 below, we see the very same practice of taking verses
out of context. In this chapter Moses (Yahweh's servant) is trying to instill
what it means "To (Sacrificially) Love Your Brother" into the hearts and
minds of a stiff necked, self willed people. Here Moses is stating that no
man, father or son is legally responsible for the debts or sins of another.
Additionally, all who are considered to be unrighteous (those without
Yahweh's Holy Spirit of Love or "Mind Set") have no sacrifice for sin. There
are those of the "Calvinist" persuasion whose beliefs are in direct
contradiction to this basic fact. Calvinism falsely teaches that we are totally
responsible for the sins of our parents all the way back to Eden! The "Total
Depravity" foundational belief of Calvinism - which most churches either
directly or indirectly adhere to - states we can never be sinless because of
the inherited sins of past generations. Obviously this is both wrong and
incorrect!

Deuteronomy 24:16 (remember that legalism is in opposition to

sacrificial love)

16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall
the children be put to death for the fathers: every (unrighteous) man
shall be put to death for his own sin.

In Jeremiah 31:30 below, we again see where the verse is taken out of
context and without understanding. "Sour Grapes" describes a person who is
extremely selfish or self-centered, and this term is used to emphasize the
word iniquity, which is anything wicked, but is never righteousness.
Therefore, a person who is selfish and without sacrificial love in their heart
or mind (that person) cannot possibly have Yahweh's Holy Spirit of Love or
Yahweh's Law of Love in his/her heart; this type of (self-centered) person
will die in their sins.

Jeremiah 31:29-33 (verse 30 is stated within the context of

iniquity)

29 In those days they shall say no more, The (self-centered) fathers

have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge (they
become hateful after the example of their fathers).
30 But (regardless) everyone shall die for his own iniquity: every
man who eats the sour grapes (becomes self-centered), his teeth shall
be set on edge (become hateful).
31 Behold, the days come, says Yahweh, that I will make a new
(another) covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of
 Judah:
32 not according to the (physical) covenant (marriage) that I made
with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them
out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they broke (divorced
Yahweh by pagan idolatry), although I was a husband to them, says
Yahweh.
33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
after those days, says Yahweh: I will put my (Spiritual) law (or Torah
of Selfless, Sacrificial Love) in their inward parts, and in their heart
(mind or pneuma) will I write it; and I (Yahweh, not Yahshua) will be
their Yahweh, and they shall be my people (Yahshua is Yahweh's
Proxy, Ambassador or Champion):

Ezekiel 18:20 (perfectly states my previous points exactly)

"The (self-centered) person who (selfishly) sins will die. The (a) son
will not bear the punishment for the (a) father's iniquity (selfishness),
nor will the (a) father bear the punishment for the (a) son's iniquity
(selfishness); the righteousness of the (selfless) righteous will be upon
himself, and the wickedness (or selfishness) of the wicked will be
upon himself."

The word for "law" is Torah! So, here Yahweh is stating that He will place
His "True Torah" (Spiritual Laws of Love) in the hearts of man. However,
pagan christianity teaches that this Torah, which is actually the same
Torah Yahweh has always had and gave to Moses, has been abolished,
"Nailed on the Cross" or superseded by "Grace." Such teaching by pagan
christianity is open rebellion against the eternal Torah that Yahweh clearly
says is part of the covenant that "True Believers" are now under! Such
teachings are blasphemy!

And finally we have Proverbs 17:15, and I can't figure out how anyone could
relate this to atonement for sin, when this verse is simply expressing Isaiah
5:20 in another form.
 Proverbs 17:15 (same as Isaiah 5:20)
15 He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the righteous,
both of them alike are an abomination to Yahweh.

Isaiah 5:20 (same as Proverbs 17:15)

20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness
for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet
for bitter!

Did Yahshua give himself to justify the wicked?

Absolutely Not! That would be the belief of catholicism

Yahshua gave himself to justify the "Righteous!"

Selfless repentant sinners under Grace

So, can one man give himself for another?

Absolutely, if by "Giving Himself" we understand that it was not Messiah's
death (if indeed he did die on the stake), but his example of selflessness that
leads us unto salvation.

1 Peter 2:21
For even hereunto were ye called: because Messiah also suffered for
us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

But

No Righteous Man, not even Messiah Yahshua, can ask for and bring
about the forgiveness of selfish unrepentant sinners.