Michael Gargiulo: Part 1 Transcript of "Perkins Operation"

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RECORDED JAIL CONVERSATION WITH MICHAEL GARGIULO FROM EL MONTE JAIL, EL MONTE, CALIFORNIA.
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Los Angeles County District Attorneys Office July 2013
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TRANSCRIPT PROVIDED BY
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D Undercover Deputy Duncan S Undercover Deputy Staley G Michael Gargiulo J Jailer(s) U Unidentified Voice *** Undescernible RED - Transcript Time BLUE - Real Time GREEN Party Enters or Exits Cell
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CASE NO.: CASE NAME: CHARGE: RECORDING DATE: RECORDING TIME: RECORDING NO.: DEPUTY D.A.: D.A. UNIT:
SA068002 Michael Gargiulo PC187(a), et al June 17 June 18, 2008 1504 hours Gargiulo Perkins.wma Daniel Akemon Major Crimes
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Transcript*Time*00:00* Real*Time*June*17,*2008,*1:48*pm*
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Mark Lillienfeld from L.A county Sheriffs Homicide; and Mike Staley from L.A. Sheriffs Major Crimes Bureau. *** and, yep, were on standby. *** the time, uh, again, 1348 hours -- Good luck. U U Thank you.
<Unintelligible background noises/voices> 00:01-00:02> *** All right. ***. Okay.
No, Im good. I am just gonna walk out that door. Thank you, buddy. All right, man. See you later. All right. *** *** <Unintelligible background noises/voices> <LAPSE TIME: no intelligible conversation; Transcript Time 00:03-00:09> Heres the, uh, *** you requested.
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All right, buddy. ***. Im gonna think about ***.
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Todays date is June 17th, 2008, Tuesday, with Detective
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Oh, okay. All right. There you go. Thank you. Youre welcome, dude. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> 00:10-00:24> <LAPSE TIME: no intelligible conversation; Transcript Time
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Yeah. I was coming ***. All right. *** You want to go in here?
Come in here. Be nice to this guy, alright? <Unintelligible background noises/voices> Yes? Do you know when I can be able to make a phone call, sir? There is a phone right up there. Oh. Oh. Okay? Thank you. I think *** theyre theyre working. Okay. Thank you, sir. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> All that do is collect calls? Yeah. <Unintelligible background noises/voices>
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<Gargiulo enters cell.> <Transcript Time 00:25>
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Ready to go ***?
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Dial the phone number now. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> Please say your name after the beep. Michael Gargiulo. One moment, please. Thank you for using inmate <Unintelligible background noises/voices>
Jail using inmate communications. The charge for this call is $6.60 for the first minute plus a dollar for each additional minute. Your call <Unintelligible background noises/voices> G S G J U U U <Unintelligible background noises/voices> Time for a new attorney. Thank you. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> Youre welcome. Oh, fuck. My own attorney is fucking refusing my call?
For English, dial 1. Para <Unintelligible background noises/voices> Dial the phone number now. <Unintelligible background noises/voices heard> Please say your name after the beep. <Beep> Michael. One moment, please. The number you called is not allowed. Oh, fuck. <Unintelligible background noises/voices>
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This is a collect call from Michael Gargiulo from the County
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communications. For a rate quote, dial 7.
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For English, dial 1. <Unintelligible background
noises/voices> U U U G U G U U U G U U Dial the phone number now. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> ***. Michael. The number you called is not allowed. Holy shit. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> Please say your name after the beep. <Beep>
<Unintelligible background noises/voices> <Unintelligible background noises/voices> <Unintelligible background noises/voices> Please say your name after the beep. Michael, Anthonys client. One moment, please. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> Thank you for using inmate communications. For a rate <Unintelligible background noises/voices> U This is a collect call from Michael, Anthonys client, from the <Beep>
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quote, dial 7.
County Jail using inmate communications. The charge for this call is $6.60 for the first minute, one dollar for each additional minute--Your call was refused.
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For English, dial 1. Para Espanol marca dos.
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Goddamn it. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> Are they answering? No. Theyre refusing my call my own attorney. <Chuckle > For English, dial 1. Para Espanol <Unintelligible background noises/voices> Dial the phone number now. The number you called is not allowed. For English, dial 1. Para Espanol Dial the phone number now. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> <Unintelligible background noises/voices> <Unintelligible background noises/voices> <Unintelligible background noises/voices> The number you called is not allowed. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> Oh, my God. Thats fucked up.
Or is the phone working? The phone
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Youre actually getting through, theyre just not answering? My attorney is not gonna answer. Mmnh. I dont get this -- my attorney. For English, dial 1. Para Espanol <Unintelligible background noises/voices> Dial the phone number now. <Unintelligible background noises/voices>
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Please say your name after the beep. <Beep>
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Anthonys my attorney. I need to speak to him. Its Michael. Thank you for using inmate communications. For a rate I cannot believe my attorney wont answer. Mmnh.
This is a collect call from Anthony is my attorney. I need to
speak to him, in the County Jail using inmate communications. The charge for this call is $6.60 for the first minute. One dollar for each additional minute. Thank you for using inmate communications. G U G U G U Yes, Im trying to get a hold of Anthony. Hes my attorney, And is this Michael? Yes. My name is Carrie. Carrie, Im at Im in an El Monte jail. And, uh, Homicide Youre youre fine. Dont worry. I know exactly whats Uh, there was nothing in court. They said Homicide He said Homicide -- Homicide detectives wanted to talk to Exactly. So, Im in the El Monte jail right now, waiting for Okay. Wait one second, Michael. Were getting Anthony.
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going on. Uhm, what happened today, though?
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detectives wanna speak to me. you? Homicide detectives to talk to me about another case.
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Hold on one second. G U U G U G Thank you. Mmnh-mmnh. Hello? Anthony. Yeah. I dont know whats going on. But, they have me in an Is that you Mike?
detectives in El Monte. U
Uh-huh. Well, that explains it, then. Well, you dont have to
talk to them, obviously. And you definitely shouldnt. And tell them that On advice of counsel, you were specifically told not to speak to them. U G Theyll take you back. G Okay. And then, where do I go from here, I mean? Im being slammed all around here and there. Theyre not
giving me any air. Theyre putting me in a cell where Im claustrophobic. El Monte Station is fine. They have me in an open cell. But, theyve had attorney. I asked for medical advice. They they refused medical advice for two days where I almost had a freaking attack and collapsed. U U What do you mean an attack? Like I have anxiety attacks. Oh. Okay. Well, we could probably get an order to have you me in 23 and a half hour lockdown, not being able to make calls to my
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seen, uh, by by a prison, uh, or jail psychologist or psychiatrist for appropriate medication. But, you know, the the immediate order of business here is just dont, uh, you know, just dont make any statements. Just say *** your lawyer on a related other case and you were advised not to talk. Simple as that.
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El Monte jail right now saying that I need to speak to some Homicide
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Okay. I dont even know what I mean I mean, you know, the other thing you could do is try
what Im here for. I mean, are they what are they trying to do, I mean? to get their cards. And I can give them a call, once you find out who they G U Okay.
And you could tell them that Im happy to talk to them. Uh,
you if you can get their card, and I get the information from you, or they can feel free to call me. G All right, Anthony. I know Ive been refused calls earlier.
Uhm, if you can make sure, the office, like if I have to call you, again. I U Well, its not really that. If you were refused a call, its
limit ran out. But, well take your call for sure. U line, ***. G U Yeah, he uh, if the receptionist picks up in time, Michael, then, automatically, youre sending a ***, uh, *** line. So, if if you ***
everything on my towel, now.
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much longer were gonna be able to see you on this thing here. So, what Id say is just, uh, if the police come its kind of odd that they would be so late. You would think they would have tried to talk to you earlier. But, uh, just let them know that youre represented and that you were advised not to speak. But, Im more than happy to talk to them. And, uh, you, possibly, might talk to them. But, I need to, obviously, talk to them first,
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Im just like literally freaked out that theyre trying to throw Mmnh. All right. Well, Ill tell you what. I dont know how
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but, uh, yeah, obviously, ***. But, uh, obviously, *** they can they give
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to figure out whats going on. G U G U G U G S G S G S G S Thank you, Anthony. And, if they given you any insight on what they might be Thank you, Anthony. Thank you. Okay. Bye.
interested in, cause I simply dont know. All right. Good luck. Hang in there, Mike.
Are we allowed to open those things for air? Or -Uh, I dont know. Try and see if its open or whatever. Uh, I No. Yeah, you cant get it out. Oh, shit. I cant even ***. Yeah. ***. How you get in here? Mmnh. I have no idea. dont freaking know. Probably painted shut, I guess, or
No idea. You get in trouble once, and, ssh, the second one, Manslaughter. Theyre sayin. Some, uh they picked me
up on a four-year old manslaughter case. They got me on some DNA I happened to have left in the parking lot, or, you know, the guy got I got in
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a fight with. And he took a licking and quit ticking. And what the fuck did I know? What was he gonna uh, I guess he died later. I dont know. So, I didnt know shit. didnt even know I was wanted for anything. I knew I got in a fight with the guy. But, I didnt know the fucking guy died. You know, so, about four I dont know, four or five years ago.-- The next thing you know, Im getting fucking stopped. They run me and, fuck, they tell me Im
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Theyre telling me I have court for
a warrant today. And then, they pulled me out of the court and said detectives want to talk to me. And then, they brought me here. S G S G S Yeah, I heard you say Homicide detectives? Yeah. I have no idea what they want. Whats up with that?
want you, theyll come talk to you Im sure. Im still waiting for them not the Homicide guys I dont think. Fuck, I dont know, to come talk to me. I dont know when thats gonna happen. Mmnh. They dont tell you a lot. -- So, they just ripped you off of court? You said? S G You were in court and they took you? G <No audible response>
into the court. When I got up there, they said that we have were asking for him to be released early so he could go talk to the Homicide S G S What court case? Was it a court case you had? I have no idea. Theres no court case. They just lied. Mmnh. Thats weird. Well, its probably well, not probably. detectives.
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I know this is their county. *** doing some time and sitting around. Where were you at, at County? G S G S G Oh, shit, 9 level 9. Been to the pen? Fucking single cell 23-hour lockdown. High Power? Yeah.
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Well, I know what they work, you know. Shit. Well, if they
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<Unintelligible background A lot of bullshit going on in County right now, I think. <Cough> Oh, man. Mmnh. Santa Monica. Santa Monica? <No audible> You from out here?
Thats a crazy place. and, uh, attempted murder. But, bullshit.
Mmnh-mmnh. Theyre trying to charge me for burglary and Burglary and attempted murder?
attempted murder.
No? Somebody you know? Or no? Huh.
your side of the story, and were charging you with the maximum.
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have. But, they they dont have nothing on me. So, -Yeah. Well, sometimes they just stroke you with that bullshit. And sometimes you dont know what they know what they dont know. You know, and sometimes they know a little bit. And you but, you dont know which part that they know and which part they dont.
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They just picked me up. The detective said I want to hear Damn. Wow. They could charge me, uh, anything and everything they
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Thats a nice Place. You got 3rd street Promenade out there.
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But, I could tell you, these
detectives are gonna be getting at straws, because I know nothing to help them out. S G S G S G week S G S G S G S G S Nah, fucking two weeks. Mmnh. Mmnh. Ive never been in trouble. Mmnh. How long were you at C.J.? Mmnh Uhm, what was that, buddy? Huh? <Cough/clear-throat>
Whatd you say? I am sorry, I havent fucking slept in like a Oh, you sounded like you were ***down in C.J.?
And thats a $1 million bail. Mmnh-mmnh. Oh.
Is that the same thing you talked about?
to jump on your tail and throw their case on yours.
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close cases and throw everything on one person. Sure. Thats what they do, man. Instead of knowing the real deal. They probably think you know something about it, even if you
didnt do it. And theyll charge you with it, you know, hoping that you
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And then, you know what? Like all the other detectives want Whats that? I said Thats what detectives are good for. They just try to
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know who did it or something like that, and to see if youll give up something. G They could charge me uh for whatever. Thats why I have an attorney. You know, theyve got to have a weapon weapon a witness and a DNA And they have nothing. too. <Chuckle> G S G S open that up? Yeah, if you can get it open, Im good. It looks like that one opens right there. S Yeah. Of course, it helps if your attorney takes your calls,
Yeah? Well, those hinges look painted shut from here from
for the big grate up here. I dont know if its gonna have air coming in. S G S G S Its taking it out you said? Its taking our air out. Oh, is it?
<No audible response> Yeah, it probably is. Mmnh. <Unintelligible background noises> <LAPSE TIME: no intelligible conversation; Transcript Time 00:50-00:57> You want to stop coughing? Thats not *** Oh, shit. I know. It sucks, uh, the truth, man. Shit, I dont get water. So, -14
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*** the top. On this? Yeah. It doesnt come out very good. Like push it real hard. Ill take this any day compared to that other cell Im in. Youd take that any day compared to what? Oh, uh, down there? Yeah. Ill take this any day compared to the cell I am in.
least, you know, -Yeah. And that is *** right there.
*** it gets all packed full of people and shit. But, -Im so weak and tired, man, I cant even move. I havent slept in days. *** Yeah?
Ive been sick, man. They didnt give me any covers. Yeah, it gets cold down there, too. My cell is the side of size of from that gate to the end of Yeah. Youre in High Power down there, you said? <No audible response> Were you at ***? Or at, uh, Twin Towers? Or Yeah, 2 231. Yeah. I was at 900 and uh up at, uh, Super Max, up at, uh
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up North or a long time well, a long time, well, not that long ago a few years back. And thats youre locked down 23 out of the day. And you get to come out to come out to yard room and its like this size for an hour. You know, you could play basketball, which is you play
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basketball and you go back. Mmnh. Yeah, Ive been trying to fight this fucking cough for, shit, like a month it seems like. G S G S G S G S G S G S G S S S G S G S G G Cops? Or detectives? Huh? No, cough. Oh, cough. No, it Im waiting on detectives, I think. The cops? Or detectives?
Mmnh. Your cough comes from your nasal. Trust me. If you Yeah? Yeah, I feel like Im fucking drowning, man. Id I know. But, fucking its either that or you cough, cause that Yeah. Yeah.
snort some water -probably just
Im that way, cause I am so congested from all the air. Now, I can breathe, though. Yeah, I just uh, I dont know if I could do that. So much fucking air pumping on you in those other places. Yeah. And its always circulated shit, too. Mmnh. My cell, no air circulation. Just air pumping in like that. Thats it, huh? Wow. <No audible response> You havent been to state you said? <No audible response> You ever been to state state prison?
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<No audible response> Thats a fucked place. Man, Ive never been in trouble. I dont get how they Yeah. Most of the fucking
freaking, all of a sudden, Im in all this trouble. I mean, its bullshit. I would do nothing to jeopardize being with my kids or my Yeah. How many kids you got? Two. Two? And Im freshly married.
Wow. Cool. Kids will keep you centered. What kind of work Im in electrical in Beverly Hills.
the plumbers all the time. Theyd run their fucking shit out three feet past Mmnh.
We had to carry our shit on our shoulders. I dont I dont do new construction. Yeah, man, Ill tell you, thats where the moneys at, doing, I do remodels. Quick money. Oh, thats good money, too, especially, in Beverly Hills. I think detectives, uh, for that other case, shut my business Which what case? The Santa Monica thing you were
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Yeah. They shut your business down? They took my van with everything. Oh. I dont know why they do all that, man. Theyre not gonna
Theyre just trying to make trouble for me. S G S G S G S G S What are they doing that for?
I dont know, man. Im guessing they dont like you when you Yeah, thats true. <Cough> Mmnh.
dont talk and you have an attorney. Then, they dont like you. My bodys all weak and achy, shit.
the water, and put it in your nose like that. Yeah? Or take toilet paper and stick it all the way up flat. Trust me. <No audible response> Im sure you feel like that dripping in the back of your throat, <No audible response> Thats why you got a cough. Now, its just kind of numb, dude. Yeah. Trust me. The more water you put in there, the better Okay. Witch doctor, Im gonna try this shit.
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And youll start spitting all that shit out. And you start drinking Damn, I dont know how you can do that shit.
a ton of water. And start drinking a ton of water and all this yellow shit will <Cough> G S G S G S G S theyre gonna think Im crazy.
I wish we could get some air in here. But, if I climb up there, I dont know if this thing will even open.
that should be *** in there.
The one up at the tops open. *** the corner. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> Theyre all painted shut? Well, these are. But, this has been well, yeah, I cant tell. It Fuck. Its all painted
looks like its been ***. You got part of one of those fucking pulls or
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something in there. ***. G S Imagine having what you have, and then, I have acid reflux Ssh. Thats tough stuff. With that, you get all that vile acid coming up and choking me, too. and shit all that will wreck your, uh your esophagus, your throat and shit. I had a friend who had had that but, of course, he had other shit too. He had ulcers and everything else. But, he had to go to the
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hospital. And then, he had a surgery from that. G S G S G Yeah, I hear you. Dude, this is great talking to someone. I Yeah? dont get to talk to nobody under 23-hour lockdown in a *** cell. Now, we we if I dont talk to them, theyre gonna try to Whats that?
charge me for something who knows what?
If I dont talk to them, theyre gonna try to charge me with
another *** in here, even though I have nothing to do with it. ***. If I dont talk to them ***, theyll try to charge me for whatever they have here. ***. And then, Im gonna be *** serious fucking lockdown, then. G S <No audible response> S You think so?
you in here. *** they only have cameras. Because, that phone right here, because of the uh, the outside speaker telephone, theyre not privilege that kind of shit. G S S G allowed to record this shit in here, because the, uh, attorney/client
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But, even thats shut off. But, uh, I dont look at that camera up there in the corner. But, they cant hear us. So, I I had a uh, you know, a buddy of mine who was in here once, and, uh, I dont think it was this one. But, theres another one, cause he didnt describe this one. But, uh, uh, two guys that fucking got into a knockdown mother fucking
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I could hear the phone being dialed out, though. Huh? I could hear the phone being dialed out there. Yeah. They can hear it. But, they cant listen to your call.
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drag-out fight. And hes yelling and shit. Fuck, that went on for like 15 minutes, the fight, the guys finally like stop. And, you know, you think theyd be able to watch it with the fucking camera. Well, they got it on tape. But, they werent uh, whoever was supposed to be watching wasnt watching it. And this was at night. he said, we could have a fucking heart attack in here, and we fucking G S Man, wish we could get some air. Motherfucker was sleeping or whatever. But, uh, fuck. He said Man, die, and they wouldnt know it.
Yeah. When I was at, uh up at, uh, Super Max, they had
trustees that would pass kites back and forth and shit like that. So, we talked like to to different people. We had it was, shit, while I was G S G shoe. S G S G S Man, those fuckers in my section, they they were fucking Is that right? there passing me shit.
They they get them in the kite *** They get them in their Yeah.
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door. *** Oh, fuckers could kill me with that shit. Yeah. Theres a lot of shit going on. Very the last, I dont know, few years, theres been a big ole fucking fight between Eme and the Negroes and shit. And theyve been just fighting the shit out of each other. And, even the South-Siders have been fighting each other. G Yeah, the South-Siders do a lot, though, fighting the cops.
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Yeah. Yeah, they just you
know, all they do is fuck it up for everybody else. Yeah, its fucked being locked up by yourself. Especially, there. Here, at least you know what you know, kind know what time it is. You can look and see what the fucking sun is doing ***. When youre inside, man, you cant tell if its anywhere. Just G S Mmnh-mmnh. fucking nighttime. Its like being in a casino. No clocks. No watches
-- Fucking everything looks the same 2:00 in the morning and <Unintelligible background noises/voices>
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I think you get visits here, too. Im not sure what the <Clear-throat>
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tried to get me to do it. Theres no fucking way I could do that. She she sits there and lets it run. Anyways, she swears up and down by that. G S Mmnh. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> <Unintelligible background noises heard/voices> 01:26-02:57> U S D S Thank you. Not much. <Sigh> *** Welcome to Hotel California. Whatd they get you for? Mmnh, fuck, me and the old lady had a fucking blowout. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> S D J D Mmnh *** Okay. There you go. Thank you.
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going to jail, huh? had -- my fucking old lady had her convinced. And, uh, she was a fucking bitch to me, uh, all the way over here, you know. S <Clear- throat> <Unintelligible background noises> D S D S G S Yeah.
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that, uh, blood, uh, if they can if they can are you sure theyre not lying to you about that? G D G D G D about it. S Well, thats what they said they arrested me for. They sent it to the lab. And it pulled up my name. So, its on Mmnh, Ill tell you what. I I believe except in my case, Mmnh. Oh. Maybe theyre lying to you.
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telling him, when you when you say you werent even there, and you dont know anybody or nothing, and they got your shit, then, -S D S -- Then they are they got you caught on it. And theyre Yeah. Oh, well, I mean, I you know, I Just like when guys get accused of rape and they said they D Yeah.
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consensual shit. But, if you said you didnt do it, and your shits there, then, you got problems. D S D S So, like, you cant like well, I see what youre saying. Yeah. They can prove you had sex with with a girl. They can ID Really? Yeah. Fuck, yeah, dude. Thats youre fucking shits got
DNA all over it. And they they take her to the hospital and give her like theyre coming up with your fucking DNA. And and you try to say you didnt have no sex. And they say, Yeah, well, guess where we pulled it out of? And youre youre done. So, -D S D S Wow. Huh.
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year old prison.
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round fucking pie-shaped room. Its got theyve got about eight cells. looks like a big pie with different slices. And the room is weird. And, if they got some guy, you know, being an ass-hole, theyll open up the main door and fuck everybody else off in the whole place. D S main door and throw a fucking can of, uh, tear gas in there and shut the
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Well, Im pretty sure, cause I dont what the hell else they got Mmnh. What kind of time are you looking at? Oh, fuck, I dont know. You know, it depends. I dont. Im all
on me. Im pretty sure thats how they got me.
say. I dont I havent talked to anybody. So, I dont know what the fuck, you know, theyve got or S D S S S D S D D D Yeah.
-- Or if theres any offers or Whos got the case on you? You know, I dont even know that. Im assuming its, uhm, -Oh Its gonna be, uh, Sheriffs. Oh, really? Yeah. <Clear-throat> And I got since I got a probation violation Im sure after Shit, Ill probably be here for a fucking week waiting on them
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for ***. D S Well, Id rather be here. Yeah, thats true. I aint no hurry to get out of here. I mean,
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Swear to God, all your my shit on the front yard right now. My buddy got fucking put in jail for this shit a long time ago.
He came home. He got out. This is back when they used to hold you for kind of your sentence. I mean, its been a lot of years ago. He come She was selling all his shit. D S J Oh.
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reason? And, now, all of a sudden, theres a warrant out for my arrest Mmnh-mmnh. This is freaky shit for ***. Yeah, Mmnh-mmnh. I was fucking hungry. <Chuckle> Im gonna start doing more fucking crimes in El Monte -- And come here. <Laughter> I know I know fucking guys that *** that would do a crime Well, Ill tell you what. Yeah. If you were living on the street, Okay. Youre lucky I caught my watch commander before he, <Chuckle>
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ready to take this fucking shit off. I had a warrant out to go to court today. And then, the court Whats that? Man, that Ive never, in my life, heard of that. No, they did that to get me out here without an attorney. Really? My attorney said You dont need me. Why? Its just Well, he thought that that there was just a mistake.
was released. And, now, Im being questioned by Homicide detectives? What if they just fucked up?
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around that. And youre gonna need a story to say why you were there. thats just me, dude. Im just here to tell you. Im being real. Im keeping it real. But, Im just here to tell you, uh, if they can pinpoint that you were there, like you said, though, you know, theres no no DNA anywhere, dude. Ive been around too long. Uh, again, uh, uh, I just I fucking I thing I can do pretty good is, uh, create. So, thats what I do. Thats one ***. And theres no theres no wriggle room for a second fuck. D G D Really? G Well, on this other case *** I know they dont have shit. Yep. I dont know. They dont theyre just trying to question Could be? Yeah. It could be. *** And because they couldnt find a case that was by me, where you cant that you cant explain away dont even know. I dont know, think I think my own shit out. Im pretty you know what? --Thats one
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band and the whole fucking shit fell over on my ass.
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Do you do you have button fly pants, either one of you? Do you have button fly pants? Oh. I was gonna say we could take the button out and use Oh, yeah. Get the screw out. Fuck that. I cant. Probably would file a fucking escape Would they? I dont know, man. Does that lead to the outside? Or does Yeah. Its open air. Open air?
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didnt give me any shit.
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you go through a landline. Hmnh Hmnh.
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girl wakes up. Theres a guy standing over here with a knife. Uh, -- uh, - uh, shes stabbed. Your bloods found there. Uh, you know, um, think about it and think of fucking a lof of different ways to get around it really. ***. I mean, its dicey. But, you you got to do you trust your G D G D G D G D G Mmnh-mmnh. Come up with a good plan, and then, sell it. What do you say? Well, you know, think about it. attorney?
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in to homes arent violent. Right? They consider themselves as a sneak thief. Then, they go in and steal shit when people are away. You thought she wasnt there. You tried to steal her shit. And she was there, okay. God, you know, God, who knows what she did to you. Uh, but, uh, -- uh, you had to finish something and know, whatever, dude. I dont know. Im just saying thats a uh, you G D G D I *** . get the fuck on. Uh, you didnt know how fucking bad you hit her, you know, its not a bad plan. But, to deny it?
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fucking I can get creative. Uhm, I know youve been thinking about it. And just to walk in and say I dont know what the fuck are you talking about, uh, aint gonna fly. You gotta start thinking. You know, uh, you know--think of a plan, you know. G D G happened. <Close-door> D What if the forensics guy see? The cuts theyre covering the way the cuts were made. The Whats that?
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oh, shit, you got to let go *** that fucking window. You could have done a G D held. <Cough> D cut? G D No, the other persons cuts or shots.
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look. Youre-- uh, you youre the youre the dude that has a problem with drugs ***. Jus just say it. Lets just pretend. Im making up a
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story. Im your attorney. Im thinking up a persona. My clientladies and gentlemen of the jury, okay, uh, is a dope is a dope fiend. Hes got an addictive personality. He needed drugs in the worst way. Hes not a confrontational guy. He doesnt stick up banks. He doesnt go into 7-Elevens and rob em at gunpoint. He money. He doesnt trash the houses. He doesnt do anything else. He its the drugs. Okay? doesnt pistol-whip people. He breaks into houses to get jewelry, to get goes in and steals it. Is it terrible? Yes, its terrible. But, is it him? No, Now, you take that Mr. Sneak Thief, okay, who hes gonna build you up, hes gonna hes gonna say Heres this poor pathetic creature just trying to kick the habit, go into the house and- you know, you youre sure youre knocking on the door. Nobody fucking came to the You dont want any problems. Right? Am I making sense? G D Mmnh-mmnh. So, you do what you do. You fucking get inside. Youre you scope the house out before you do it. You watch it for a while. And door and are you convinced nobodys in there? Okay. *** is terrible.
looking around. Easy enough. She fucking startles you, or he whatever it is. Now, ***, dude, you dont know, right? G D Mmnh-mmnh. Uhm, fuckinguhhe--uh, you know, uh you knowuh
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everybody does, and what happens when theyre startled, you fucking lash out and fucking bolt. G D G D So, what do they charge you for that shit? Whats that? What do they charge for charge for that shit? Uhm, well, I mean, theres charging, and then, theres being
found guilty. Uh, burglary? You bet. Uh, could they throw a, uh, -- could there? Sure. But, are you trying to fucking kill her or him? You you know what I mean? I mean, if would honestly, do burglars fucking try to kill people, generally, unless generally Richard Ramirez no. Youre fucking in there and youre just trying to get in there, take the your story. Thats a fucking bitching story. Youre gonna do time for it. gonna get the worst case scenario. G D G D D G Whats that? Yeah. shit, and fucking split. Thats all. Thats fucking man, thats thats Im here to tell you, but youre not gonna fucking, uh, the wor -- youre not My first offense Ill still do time, huh? My first offense -- With thatthe time like? 15 years? Well, I dont know, dude, because, you know, I dont know. No record. I dont know, man. Think about it. You know, uh I have a felony for taking *** when I was 16 or 17. What was it? Taking a garage door opener from someones car ***.
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mean, if its if its dropped, it it cant be held against you. was seeing. Yeah. But I but, Ive had zero no problems.
Well, then, uh, look. No violence ***. Uh, think about it.
Uhm, L.A. County Jail is--the state prison system uh, system are fucking way, way, way overcrowded. Right? Yeah. I mean, sure, you Theyve got floor-sleepers and shit. Do you really think - does anybody theyre getting these fuckers out at ten percent, yeah, you know. I mean, (exhales) I dont know. its its just its just uh, you know what? I believe you and I get along really nice, uhm, because youre a smart guy. Im a smart guy. Uh, it seems like we got kinda personalities alike. Uh, and you dont like to think about getting locked down. You seem like an all right guy. And, you know what? On the outside, I may have one-man cell. But, thats not the norm in L.A. County Jail. really want you *** locked there any longer than you have to? Thats why
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houses are a whole different class of of of crook to the legal system. Theyre not violent Richard Ramirez kind of guy. Right? G D <No audible response> This is what I think. Uhm, Im just you know, Im just
you know, I gave you an idea and you had a great idea. Uh, either one of that drop of blood, steal yourself, understand youre probably gonna
do some time. How much is important. Youve got two children at home. You dont wanna do fucking forever. Are they your kids? G D Yeah, Im married and my wifes about to.
wife is fucking or a good girl a good lady, anyway -- I aint married. the fucking home fires lit for you, you know. But, the thing is, uh uh, youre in a world of hurt right now. And ignoring it aint gonna fucking And thats why they didnt have ***. The guy that came up with a plausible alibi thats what the attorney called it a plausible alibi, Number 1 and sure, you may you may take you may take you help. I told you, nine of those ten people in that fucking chain, ignored it.
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may catch a chain for awhile. But, a plausible alibi is gonna fucking get you out of trouble every time, cause its all about the jury and that whether the, uh uh, oh, its its the doubt factor. Is it possible that hes telling the truth? And thats what they have to consider. If its possible that that hes telling the truth, then, they cant convict you for a serious crime. G Im so fed up with these fucking detectives here.
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doing, yet. Hell, they they might you know, they might just be, uh, out fishing, you know. You dont know. You know, well or, if youre lucky,-theyll come up to you and tell you, uh uh, heres our case. And what they got in it. Now, you think Well, Im not that lucky, that sounds like know. And you can come up with an explanation. <Close-door> D G D G D G killer. ***. D shit. But, the fact is, it is lucky, because you, now, know what they
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doing it for years. Okay.
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El Monte homocide detectives? <Whisper> Im so lost, man. D G D Well, you know, like And then, my attorneys saying I know nothing. Uh, dont I dont know what thats all about, brother. I I dont know.
it was a mistake and they forget to fucking give him something, like a you know, a piece of paper. I dont know how it works. Isnt the D.A. supposed to give them something? Uh, because it wasnt a mistake he showed up. Maybe it just the whole thing is a mistake. D G D G D G D D Why? G No, they did it on purpose.
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you to testify to anything. As much as you want to testify, he wont let you. G D Yeah. Yeah. Anybody else can testify. ***, but, ***, you know, uh, <Sigh> D
an attorney just doesnt wanna do that. Why? Cause the D.A. can cut you to ribbons. You know,
make you look real bad in front of the jury. G D G D
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married to you and hes on Match.com cheating on you. My wife knows I already know.
But thats not you know what though? Thats not gonna
guys fucking around on their wives. Right? G D G D D G Yeah. I just I dont know. Thats just me. Uh, look. Whatever you ***.
do, you take it one at a time. Otherwise, it will get overwhelming for you.
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theyre kinda follow the scriptures. They dont wanna they dont wanna shell, uh G D G D G D Her moms told her that ***. Yeah? Well
I cant believe she didnt hook up her phone, though, man. I called there at 2:00 in the morning, and told her to hook it No. Listen, man. She didnt she probably didnt
understand how important it is right now. Who knows, dude? You never uh, anyway, my advice is just take it one at a time. Dont worry about the fucking detectives right now, the the Homicide detectives. You worry about what youve got and what you know is, uh, what we talked about.
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it. Right? I mean, you could think of a million more reasons why you gonna get her up there. Uh, maybe, uh, you know, uh you know,
big issue, man. What if you got fucking a gambling problem and you owe, uh, somebody big-time money? Hey, maybe you know what? Maybe you lost a load. Maybe you youre dealing dope. You lost a a key or something or a pound, right. Man, fuck, you dont use it. Right? D G D G And then, -- then, what happens is that--that you know, you <No audible response> G Mmnh-mmnh.
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youre not doing anything *** house? I said Because I was going to do another job for my brother. And it and, uh, hes like Youre a liar. You were not sick. You keep lying. Youre lazy. You do nothing for the business. Im the one that found sells all the jobs, owned the truck, bought all the equipment to with him, taught him I said Im gonna teach you how to sell this way. And this is how were D G So, youre the brains *** ? how to sell, and pull them out of a hole, even though he had no clientele. gonna make a lot more money.
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employed guy, right? Youre G D The business is over, no money coming in. Yeah, you got well, not just that. Well, -- well, maybe you
fucking owe your partner money. Thats the only way its gonna happen. You need to fucking, uh, -- you know what I mean? Think about that. Its G D G D about that? G D I know. I mean, I own the truck. Yeah. more***.
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back, cause my partner kept blowing all the money.
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and going fucking, uh, uh, you know, Richard Ramirez on them. Thats fucked up. G D G D D G This guy disappeared, huh? Oh, this dude? <No audible response> Whatd they say they were taking him out for? Fingerprints. Maybe hes just got fucked up fingerprints. A lot of
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Ill be she has a good explanation. She has a good explanation for it. Keep trying. I have faith in you, man. Youre a fucking ***. Youre gonna come up on this one. G D G D G D G D G D G My daughters fucking mom, man, has been the biggest How old is your daughter? Shes two and-a-half, dude. Oh, fuck. July 6th, my son turns five. Good kid? Hes great. God damn. nightmare of my life.
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not the kid. And, always threatening to take the kid away. Anything but lie, say Oh, you youre violent. G D D G D What?
Yeah, so, sheso she could take the kid away. Well, they all say that, man. Saying that I said I was gonna shoot her parents and I think they learn that from birth. I think that they learn that *** trying shes been trying to ruin my life. Yeah. Well, let me tell you something. I dont think pushing Man, I am so fucking dizzy and feel like collapsing. Really? Why?
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man? <Chuckle> *** fucking sleep in the back seat. G D G D Hey, I was I was told not to say a word. Yeah. Okay. *** call my attorney.
Yeah, thats what -- you know, an attorney always says that.
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hand, uh, you think of its you think uh, hes, uh, its great, uh, stories. Its that reasonable doubt, that the jury has to consider. Youre doing the youre doing heavy lifting for the attorney, cause thats what he gets paid to do. Right? G D G D G D G D G the money. D G D G D Yep. Yep. You got to admit, most people in jail dont have much of an <No audible response> I dont think so. Nope. <No audible response>
imagination, do they?
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Los Angeles County District Attorneys Office July 2013

<Unintelligible background noises/voices> 00:01-00:02> *** All right. ***. Okay.

<LAPSE TIME: no intelligible conversation; Transcript Time

All right, buddy. ***. Im gonna think about ***.

Todays date is June 17th, 2008, Tuesday, with Detective

<Gargiulo enters cell.> <Transcript Time 00:25>

<Unintelligible background noises/voices>

This is a collect call from Michael Gargiulo from the County

communications. For a rate quote, dial 7.

For English, dial 1. <Unintelligible background

Dial the phone number now.

For English, dial 1. Para Espanol marca dos.

Or is the phone working? The phone

Please say your name after the beep. <Beep>

This is a collect call from Anthony is my attorney. I need to

going on. Uhm, what happened today, though?

everything on my towel, now.

mean, I know uh, I know it could be expensive. But,

Theyre telling me I have court for

They told me I had a court date today. So, they rushed me

Thats a crazy place. and, uh, attempted murder. But, bullshit.

No? Somebody you know? Or no? Huh.

Yeah. Its bullshit, though. Theres no burglary and

But, I could tell you, these

And thats a $1 million bail. Mmnh-mmnh. Oh.

Is that the same thing you talked about?

to jump on your tail and throw their case on yours.

I think thats taking air from here.

least, you know, -Yeah. And that is *** right there.

Yeah, this aint bad. Shit, the fucking mattresses are, at

snort some water -probably just

drippage is just dropping in your throat.

G S G S G S G S G S you do? G S the joist. G S G S

uh, -- well, it doesnt *** with. But, -G S G S

down. talking about?

Huh. I was a carpenter for a long time. I used to fight with

Im almost the way of your cough, but I am preventing it. G S S G S

it is. I know it.

find anything. I dont get em anyone. I havent been in any trouble.

I got it from many of my doctor < Cough>

that should be *** in there.

That sucker is shut.

That one wont. Could you climb up there? Or no? Cause

charge me for something who knows what?

If I dont talk to them, theyre gonna try to charge me with

Yeah. Yeah, they just you

2:00 in the afternoon. S

Just take take my time. Just relax.

Keep snorting that water.

Mmnh-mmnh. They were rejecting my visits.

down is because its all congested. S G S G S G

ass shit from your

dude. So, they you got there.

question you. Why bring you here? G S

court in El Monte. And I said, For what?

Were you a witness to anything, at all?

Well, its gonna be a homicide. I mean, did you get involved

Shit, theyre Homicide detectives. Who fucking knows what

uh, it was an acquaintance -- Or something.

No. Ive been nowhere where I shouldnt be. So, if my DNA

So, if my DNA is there, its because I knew the person and,

place I shouldnt be where it, you know,

somebody and ***.

Michael Gargiulo: Part 1 Transcript of "Perkins Operation"

Michael Gargiulo: Part 1 Transcript of "Perkins Operation"

<Unintelligible background noises/voices> 00:01-00:02> * All right. *. Okay.

All right, buddy. . Im gonna think about .

able to use it. .

* I think *.

<Chuckle> * its just its way, you know *