Michael Gargiulo: Part 2 Transcript of "Perkins Operation"

Transcript*Time*04:45* Real*Time*June*17,*2008,*6:33*pm*
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D G D Mmmh.
Mmnh. Nah, you dont seem like I was too worried about making money, man. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I wish my PO would get here-- to
that kind of guy.
see if hes gonna cut me slack or if hes gonna send me away, man. <Sigh> <Unintelligible background noises> D
Come on, man. Oh, it cant be too late. Fuck, man. I know.
You know, hes a hardworking motherfucker. You know, I know he is. But, I dont think hes gonna show up after the sun goes down. You probably dont even have PO, huh? <Laughter> Oh, man. D D G D G D D G G D G Oh. Look at this. U *** .
All right. Fucking all that shit. Take your shirt off, man. Just wear your tee shirt. Yeah, Im going to. I was just ***. All right. Oh. All right. Another thing, I didnt I was out of the country. Really? and came back. Yeah. And I didnt leave anywhere. They still found me at home. Yeah, you you be out of the country. <Cough> Yeah, I didnt leave nowhere, cause, I mean, tsk. Im not
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guilty, so, *** man. D Dude, Im Im here to tell you, man. Uh, if you if you ask me, if I was a betting man *** as far as the the big numbers ok, the big numbers and shit. I cant I bet you came up with a good plan. I I really do. Just and your attorney is gonna be happier than shit. Youre because I know youre not gonna talk to the detectives. But, fuck, dude, story going in your mind. And theyll let you know what they got. <Unintelligible background noises> D U D U D Is my PO here, yet? Who? A bondsman. doing his work for him. Uhm, listen, start thinking about the other one,
No. But, uh, you got a bondsman who wants to talk to you.
trying to bail you out, man. Well, if she does ***. <Unintelligible background noises> 04:52> D dude. G S <Duncan exits cell and Staley re-enters> <Transcript Time
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fuckers are gonna try to do me. Shit aint gonna come off, man. This is fucking on. G S G Why are they? So What did they say?
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But, Ive got that probation violation. ***. Man, you were getting your fingerprints done for a long time, Dude, the fucking detectives showed up. Yeah, these mother
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they got enough case on your ass. Uh, the sooner the better you get a
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Well, I was right. They you
know, it was one of those I think theyre just gonna try to feel me out to see what Im about *** that kind of shit. And, uh, they, uh you know, they they first thing they did was--, you know, You know why were here? Im thinking ,Shit, you dont fucking know. You know, I was kind G S G S G S G S G S I used to have ***. Come here. Ill show you. You gotta do I dont know, man. *** water. Whats that? ***. of being a smart-ass to them. But, theyre Sheriff guys. ***. Fuck. this very slowly.
Yeah, I have soap. I have soap, man. *** come off right away. <Clear-throat>
I Im not sure what theyre gonna if they got anything or theyre just fucking with me. G S S G S
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lets say my attorney *** or transfer me ***. Well, you mean if your attorney says not to talk to them Yeah. -- And you say and you do talk to them, or dont No, no, no. Im not going to. He said theyll wait for my Well, I dont think theyre gonna tell your attorney shit to be
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honest with you. Theyre theyre gonna you know, they want to talk to you, I would imagine. G S G S G Fuck. S Hmnh. For whatever reason, youre youre the person they want to <No audible response> <Cough> Heres what I think. I mean, if if
chit-chat to, right?
I cant imagine what the fuck they want to talk to me about. -- Well, heres the deal. If if theyre gonna talk to you, you
know, you you could say whatever you want to say. You can just say I them, at all, then, youre youre gonna sit here like you are now -- If you do talk to them, at least youll have an idea about what they got and what theyre gonna what they what theyre coming least, now, I know what their game plan is. You know what Im saying? So, I dont have any G Right. What my attorney said is Do not talk to them <Clear-throat> Well, thats up to you, you know. Uhm, I dont know, if it was Cause Im Im referring to counsel like right now. Well, I would, uh <Cough> -- Im thinking that, if you know at you at. Thats Im kind of glad I talked to these guys, because, at
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whatsoever. If they he kind of told for them to call him up. S G S
me, uh, like, you know, these guys, you know, I
what youre gonna talk about and what youre gonna say, then, I
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wondering what the fuck, over, you know.
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dont feel like talking about that, or whatever. But, if you dont talk to
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personally would just you know, wanna talk to them, because I already I knew where Im at in this thing. I knew what I did. I knew I know if theyre giving me a line of bullshit. Cause, you know cause I was there. I was there. And Ill tell you something, theres manslaughter. But, it wasnt fucking manslaughter. Fucking I pretty good idea, he was hurt hurt bad. So, theyll never know that. know I was there. So, I know what I have. beat this guy down hard. And I he didnt fucking die. And I have a
-- And, if they come to me and say that, you know, We have a witness who was there, No, you didnt, cause I was there, too. I know what you have and what you dont have. So, that way, if Im have shit, you know what I mean, if they come at me and say You know now, at least, I know, you know what? Maybe they got something. Maybe they dont. Maybe we take the fucking rope. I dont know. Its a -- You know, as far as the attorney and all that thing, you know, you you do what you you know, whats good for you. Uhm G All I know is I was not at another crime scene. But, I dont cat and mouse game, you know. talking to 'em, and they give me a line of crap, that I know that they dont what? All we got is this and this. But, we think its enough to do you,
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care what they say. If my DNA is there, its because I know knew the person. ***. S Do you know what kind of DNA they have at that at the other crime scene youre talking about? Well, youre talking about the same G This homicide shit, like theyre coming at me for something that nothing. Because, Im -- because Im in trouble in another case.
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Theres no way they can know that. You know what Im saying. So, I
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Theyre just trying to *** stuff and trying to ***. S G S G S that. G Yeah. They tried to simulate it ***. -- Was matched to something that happened here? Do you think that theyre so, you think that, because of this thing that you that because of this thing that happened in Santa Monica
anything. Huh? You know what Im saying? Any DNA or anything like Put it this way, if they have anything on me if for sure not
my blood, then, its because I knew the person and Ive been at the S G S G S got there. G S Youre talking about this one here? Okay.
Who knows what theyre talking about?
business, but, if they have blood DNA, it depends on how that blood DNA
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They wouldnt be where I shouldnt be. Well, then, maybe theyre just grasping at straws. You know, maybe theyre just gonna come here and see what youre up to and, you
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<Cough> But, just just know that, uh, you know, they play games, too. Sometimes they dont come at you right away with everything they have. You know, theyre gonna play that game with you and see if youre gonna tell the truth, too. So theyre talking about. S G detectives. S Yeah. I found that, you know <Clear-throat> Yeah. G Im not talking nothing, cause I dont know what the fuck
Theyre just constantly always trying to throw shit at me
better, you know. And sometimes you have to go see the enemy before it truly is a game. I mean, you you think that. You know what I mean? To me, like these guys down here when they showed up, I was just were saying ***. But, uhm, you know, they, uh, -- you know, it was with the, You know, were here looking at this. And we think we know and think this. I says Well, getting done. And they showed up and said, uh, *** and shit like they
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dont have. And its either booked into evidence or its not booked into nothing. Its gonna be in court or its not. You know, so, if you have it, then, bring it. But, see, you have the advantage when youre meeting, cause I know whats there. I know what was there. And I was there. If
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Mmnh-mmnh. -- What do you mean you think? You either have this or you
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you know where to put your fort up at. You know what I mean? And it
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youre gonna say that I, you know, left my hand prints on a car, thats bullshit. I never touched a car. I wasnt even near a car. We were in a parking lot. Uh, there werent any cars where we were at. So, if they come at me with that, that tells me that they dont theyre fishing. knuckle skin off this guys head, and we got, you know, your blood, Thats possible. Now, if they come to me and say We got your skin your
See, so, -- and I didnt go into, you know I didnt tell them a story. And we sat in there for a little while. But, they didnt get shit out of me that they didnt already have. But, I learned something about what youve got, you know, -- if youve got something going on, and you you of I dont give a fuck, whatever happens. But, if you were there and, like you say, you got a reason to be there, then, I would make sure that G at. Put it this way like I said before, why would someone that thats solid, thats thats your gonna be your -- to stick to it. Im not supposed to be at *** a person if they werent supposed to be they had. So, sometimes, you know, it it depends. If if its you if know, you you were there for whatever reason, and all youre a person
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live, youre telling me about other things your family and stuff. Right. And suddenly you die ***. Or or and youre at their
house. I leave and someone comes in and attacked you and and trips you or kills you.
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cause he fucking socked your ass up on his shirt, now, that could be.
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Right. Well, I was there. I mean, and I just met her. So, Theyre
gonna say Oh, no, youre not uh, youre the one that did it, because your DNA is there. What? S G G S Oh. <Cough> know, if I wasnt supposed to be there? How would you know that I was supposed to be there?
Well, uh, you know, I dont know. I mean, the truth is, too,
most violence murders, attempted murders, shootings, stabbings, strangulations, theyre mostly done by people that are that they you So, the cops look at that. You know, theyre playing the them. Very few times its somebody that just, you know, unless its a drive-by or something like that. And, -- and, even then, theyve got a dont know who in the gang that did the shooting. know. I I just think that, uh, you know, I I made some fucked up pretty good idea of, you know, what gang and that kind of shit. They just know, your victims know husband/wife that kind of shit. odds. The odds are most people get killed, or, at least know who killed
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mistakes in my life. And I just seen if I could have backed things up and done things a little differently, uhm, you know, Id just be realistic. Some of the shit that Ive done, I I would probably still fucking do it again. You know, maybe just I I just know myself. But, I would do things different afterwards. You know, uh, sometimes I took, uh, the hard-headed road, and you know, come on and got well, show me what you got. And I got fucked over, you know.
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So, you know, they they play the odds like that. But, I dont
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If I am the one who did this. How would I know about, you
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I got offered a deal one time. And it was a fucking sweet deal. And I should have taken it. I had a fucking dude sitting in the fucking cell not like this. But, with me. He said Dude, youre a fool not to take that deal. I said Fuck them. They aint got shit. They wouldnt be offering me a deal. know, I dont know. <Chuckle> <Cough> homicide or something else. Yeah, well, you know, if you Uh, bullshit. Thats when I went to the fucking pen. So, you
Theyre just trying to tack shit on to me. *** a different
Sure I helped the person do this. *** I hung out with the person few S Well, if you got what theyre gonna ask you is if theyve
got your hair or your your or your DNA or whatever so, theyre know.
you know, you can verify it with whatever, then, its its answered.
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be present. No, hes not gonna let you talk. I wouldnt shit, I wouldnt if I was the attorney. You know, they may you know, theyre theyre never gonna let you talk. And thats cool. Thats what they do, cause talking to the cops, generally speaking, nothing good could come from that. But, you know, thats not necessarily true, too. So so, its always
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up to you. Youre the one its not your attorney thats sitting in the can right now. Mmnh, Mmnh. Its you. You gotta do whats, you know, best for you. <Cough> <Unintelligible background noises> S You know, I feel better. That, uh, water sniffing shit, man, I G How you feeling, man?
years. And I just couldnt do it. But it burns like a mother, though. <Sigh> Fuck, so, I dont know. Im in here with these fucking guys again. G S G order. S G S G S When do you have court? You know what? I dont know. Im gonna ask them that, too.
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or you just were standing there in front of a judge or I was on the side and they called me. Mmnh. I dont know. <Clear-throat/cough> <Unintelligible background noises/voices> <Duncan re-enters cell.> <Transcript Time 05:07> Are you getting bailed out? Huh? Are you getting bailed out? No. No, I told you, you know. Did she call? Or what?
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*** pretty funny. My sisters been trying to get me to do that shit for
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You know my wife did. And they Oh. And, uh, nothing until my PO fucking comes and talks to me. Thats right. Man, youre fucked. Youre fucked. *** called Bellevue? Well, you know what? If you dont
cant do anything, cause Im on fucking probation.
personally, I think its my fucking old lady. Well, who else would? Well, it could have been *** <Cough>
Well, it could be my mom. Man, Im here to tell you,
her. I think shes having second thoughts ***. But, the fact is, when my PO gets here, Im gonna find out if hes gonna put this violation on me. If show up tonight. Shit, my my bail is ***. S D S hes gonna put it on me, Im fucked. Its no bail. Uh, hopefully he will
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bail is fucking there. But, I think its, uh, fucking 35. I think its 35,000. I dont think my mom would have a problem paying it. As a matter of fact, I know she wont. But, I just worry about that no bail. S Its 3500 bucks, man.
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*** be like six oclock, 6:30, something like that. Well, you know what? You well, you never know. The bail
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personally, I think shes such a fucking ***. Even though shesI love
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Uh, well, thats a good question. I can you know,
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Yeah. Yeah, I ***. The big thing
is, though, is getting my making sure that, uh, that probation violation, <Cough> D But, as soon as that guy shows, uh, hopefully, Ill be out of here. If he doesnt show, Im here. Oh, well, I shouldnt say Ill be out of here, cause he you know what uh, hes been on my ass. S D S D Theyre gonna put a hold on you, dude. Ah.
And he dont even have to show up to do that. Uh, I dont want to hear that. Yeah, but, you know what?
Realistically, he probably will, because they dont fuck around with that. S D S D S D How much of a tail you got?
was a yeah, a five-year, uh
So, you got three to go.
Youre not even close to being done. Yeah, but, if he doesnt you know, ***. I didnt fucking
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So, thats my problem. And, you
know what? I, honestly, think she called my mom, because, uh uh, Brooklyn Bail, because, uh, S D S D S D She called your mom to see-my mom didnt She called your mom to see if shed help fucking sell your shit Yeah. <Chuckle> ***
on the front yard.
Yeah, Im fucking done. I mean, if she she wants to and my
PO wants to, Im fucked. So, she must have called my mom and my S They came to talk to me. Those fuckers are they are gonna
They they got me in there. We just played a little cat-and-mouse game for a-- little while. D S S Yeah. Oh, is that right?
(Sound of clearing throat) They dont know that, uh Well, you know what I was I was thinking about your shit Well Its a fucking its a fight between two drunks. Yeah, thats what just in here, I hit that fucking guy and beat Yeah, I understand.
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though. I mean, you didnt mean to fucking kill the guy.
his ass good. But, Im hey *** gonna be able to prove any of that shit.
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theyre gonna try to do me. I dont think that they have shit. Dude.
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You know, its kind of It doesnt matter. Well, you know what? Yeah, I know. Its I you know, I mean, I got my story. Yeah.
And Im sticking with it. So I could explain the reason why I did it. I know you know, so Yeah. ***. <Clear-throat> Yeah. Mmnh. <Cough> <Clear-throat>
-- Its gonna be a self-defense thing. And
Give your attorney something.
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Yeah, sure. -- Theyre gonna try to drag that shit up in court. You you got violence in your past? Yeah. Well, that could be a problem. Well see. Thats ***. I dont think your Homicide guys are coming today, dude. They dont care. They know Im in custody, right? Yeah. Theyre out freaking taking my picture, trying to get like
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witnesses to say Hey, have you seen this guy here? S G ass. S G D G D S You say you lived you lived out here in I lived in El Monte, you know, a little bit ago. Oh. Yeah, uh, I know. Yeah. Even though I lived in the I lived in a building out here. So,
if something happened there. Who knows? Ah. Anything to lead it to my
Are those lights getting brighter? Or is it me?
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already on edge. <Cough> G D G D G D G D G D What about the jail cell the South siders and shit? Oh, theyre what do you mean? Like you told me the south siders - if you fear for your life Oh, I see what youre saying. Uh, -Yeah. Theyd kill me.
Yeah, I know, dude. I I but, you know what? They are They what?
holding onto those things for the big one. You know what I mean? Theyre holding on to those things. They look, you know,
aint gonna use em , or else they, you know, because, in a race riot, some of those things come in***. more than offensive shit. D S S Most of the time, those guys keep that shit for protection Well, you know, I dont know. ***. This is a fucking ***. And they use them ***. <Cough> Thats what it is, you know. Just for personal stuff, man,
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they keep it. Yeah, youre talking about like one ounce of the general population back there. G D Uh-huh. Yeah. <Unintelligible background noises>
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shanks are fucking very valuable to them and fucking ***, man. And they
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<Sigh> <Yawn> Where in the fuck is my PO? <Cough/clear-throat> I wonder whos winning the Laker game? I dont know, bro. I asked the bondsman. He didnt know. He Shit, obviously, otherwise hed be home watching the game Thats probably where my PO is.
wasnt a Laker fan. right now. Theyre playing Boston.
Yeah, hes on his cell phone at the game. He could call in Thats where the detectives are. Thats where the PO is. <Cough> Hey, uhm ***. *** watching the Laker game.
your violation.
Uh, you mean inmates? No, down that way on the way out. How many people? Like cops? Oh, cops? I saw one, two I saw two. I think theres three. Yeah. Theyre like jailers, you know. Whats that? Theres no cops? Well, jailers, I guess. But, theyre not I dont know. Theyre not theyre just theyre like theyre not cops.
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Theyre jailers. G D S G S G D D G D S D Man, if we overtook them, we could get out. Yeah, thats be cool, huh? Whats that? If we overtook them, when they opened the door, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. *** ***Listen. Can I tell you something? <Unintelligible background noises> taking them down and getting out of here Mmnh-mmnh. Okay. I cant hear. One more time?
My only problem with doing that, if we if youre talking about
where youre coming from. But, uhm
Okay. Well, lets talk about it. The only thing is, Im looking
at, you know, not that not that Im not down. But, its gonna be a dude. Now, if I was sitting in your shoes, I might do it. G D
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mean, Ive been around this place. But, I dont know if that will. I I wouldnt do shit unless I knew somebody on the outside that was going to be out in the car or something. You know what I mean? D S Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You could try to run out. But, as soon as that happens, then,
I notice theres theyve got these fucking buttons out there. And I dont D G D G S S G D G D Well, unless you *** more when you came in, whatd you I just saw the two cops in, uh Two jailers? No, just one jailer. See, I saw three. <Clear-throat> Well
see? How many people?
But, I dont know if theyre if thats just because ***. Theres a chick and theres a guy. And that was it. Im not thinking. Im just curious about the whole Were were all talking about options here. But, hey, -- but, What? You know what I think, I mean, personally? Id wait to see
you know what?
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and try to land another charge on me to make it look bad for my other court date. S D G case D G D G D G D G D G D Mmnh-mmnh. On which case? The the Oh, okay. But, they do have DNA? -- Is either hair or like fingerprints going Yeah. Yeah, but, they dont have you know, let me think. How The only way they can have anything else, besides the other
much evidence do they have? I mean, you know, ***.
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fingerprints. Thats DNA. DNA is your blood, hair and its blood. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, and I could prove anywhere Ive been, thats and then, Okay. Then, youve got no problems. I mean, you got But the thing is, the charge. And they have to charge *** El Well My wife *** fifteen grand that we didnt even have. We had to
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understand, you dont want the second one, the second case. But, ***. G D G D S D S U S G S Shit, my first case was one point one million. One point one million? Uh-huh. Yeah, they always jack it up like that. Well, they did Shh Thats your ***. What thats your bail? Thats not that unusual, though.
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getting fingerprinted and shit, and I was-- that that I I saw this D S G D Mmnh-mmnh.
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saying. My only thing is, is that the only thing about, you know, the the wiretap law, you cant do it, unless you got a a Federal judge who says Do it. And he signs an order for or whatever it is a warrant or something and allows you to do it. S D S D Thats why thats why its against the law to record Yeah. -- without them knowing it. somebody
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resisting resisting arrest. And I was in handcuffs trying to get up S D S G D D D G D D G G Damn. Mmnh. Shit, they just walked right up and handcuffed I guess, I was ***.
Oh, they just they fucking stopped me and told me to step They took all my clothes, all my shoes. What police department? Santa Monica. Wow. Oh, are you a West side guy? Yeah. Fuck. I grew up over there. Yeah. I live in Euclid and third um Arizona. Yeah. <Clear-throat> Im *** you know, where Sepulveda and, uh, *** where Venice
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Diego Freeway. Yeah, I grew up over there. Ah.
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and, shit, they had to block the street off for a month so we *** and shit at
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Mexico, though? You have to learn the Spanish.
Shit, Americans, man, they fucking move to Mexico. A lot of Yeah, you just shave Yeah Mmnh-mmnh. Yeah.
retired Americans live in Mexico.
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you know how to slam them down and grab their stun guns from them. And then, put them in cuffs over there. D D G D G D G D G D G D S D S D D D S Yeah. Well, we can ***. <Clear-throat> -- We could do it. But, are there other inmates in here? Where? Right there. So, theres not gonna be a a problem? Probably ***. Yeah.
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hooting and, you know.
If they start yelling and screaming. They probably wouldnt.
and you and I jumped the other guy behind him Yeah. Yeah. But Thats some big shit, man. And, you know what? We were brought down the hallway. I like this motherfucker, man. Hes got some fucking balls. Yeah. Yeah. -- And put him Thats yeah, you do it. But, if anyone *** then, what do we But, you know what, though, dude? Ill tell you something And you kick him in the fucking nuts and grab that shit --
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for the door. Oh, is that right? <Cough> *** Man, I didnt know that. Oh, yeah, all of them I watch.
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I know it. You know, ten years from now, youre gonna laugh Oh, man. Fuck. Huh? I dont want to be away from my wife anymore. <Cough> Im telling you, man, you got just one ***. Is there a camera in the hallway? Yeah. Oh, shit. I dont think uh, not here. But, hey, I didnt check on the
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cops are here with fucking guns somewhere, dude. I dont know where they are. Thats my one problem. S Yeah. This they they park their cop cars right out here.
Well, if you look out that window, you could see them. They park D The cops are parking their cars. Yeah. Thats the only
problem. I dont want to get fucking G D D S D S D G How are they gonna kill you? Theyre not gonna kill you. Huh? Theyre not gonna kill you. Hey, fucking, *** some shit. You know, thats my Ill tell you what -- I want to make sure its fucking I I think its a crazy fucking deal, personally. I like I like Me, too.
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Looking great. I mean, I *** too much like a fucking No air, man. Fuck.
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If its not a DNA issue, you dont have a problem. If my hair is or, uh, fingerprints are there, they should be They shouldnt? They should. Oh, yeah. Anywhere. Yeah. Dude, Im not out to kill no one. Yeah. But, dude, you dont seem like that kind of guy. Theres no fucking way, man. Youre right. Fuck it. Who the fuck in their right mind normal, like me, would just
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about a month, he says that Fuck. He said he stopped having friends, because motherfuckers would get killed. And you dont want any of your friends to die. So, you dont have any friends. Fuck. G dude. D S D S D G D <Chuckle> Yeah? I have never had a thought in my mind of killing anyone, Yeah. Me neither. No, I shouldnt say that. Sure I have.
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Nah, man, I dont even think you know me. *** I am newly wed. I love my wife like you wouldnt believe. I Yeah. I hear you. You know, you get desperate. And thats what I do all the way, dude. Yep. Mmnh. Well, if he was to give you sixteen months, would you do it? Sure. <Cough> Thats a long time. <Clear-throat> Id still do it. Knowing that I *** out, cause theres a life when
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picked me up earlier already, since theyre unless they were scared or something.
wouldnt, though. You know, its hard to say ***. But, wait a second. Yeah, I saw that guy. He lives around Were they following you, you said? No, the new case. You dont know if they have wits on this one witnesses? On this one? The the new one. The one that Im in the first one? No, no. The one the detectives are asking about. ***. Talk about. ***. Okay. I know the facts. I dont know what its regarding about El
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hell show you the way. still believe. And, uh, it sounds like youve got a very, uh, smart lady <Cough/clear-throat> S D S D S God damn, now its seven oclock, huh?
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and he was standing there with that fucking silly-ass grin on his face, looking right at me. He goes How you doing? This is a long time ago. Nice guy. G D G D G D G *** not eating. Its so fucking hot. Im gonna collapse. Im so fucking tired. Well, that meal must have done all right for you. It was good. Im freaked out by what *** the homicide detectives for. Dude, you got nothing to worry about. Right? Theyre not gonna do***. They have a--They cant if they Yeah, youre right. Its just another fucking jerk *** and shit, <Sigh> If I hadnt been in a cage like this. Sure. Yeah, but, you you do it? I mean, do you you To fight the case? Yeah. Sure.
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other guys. You know, whats the use of that? They put you in solitary out S D G D G The Ritz Carlton. Yeah, the Ritz Carlton. And then, before that -Yeah?
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charges, huh?
they only do that for the red anymore and youre here in the El Monte Jail.
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this fucking place?
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where all the shit came from, if they just pulled it up? Or, you know, uh G detectives. D G D Yeah. You said you were in the same place, right? Yeah. What the fuck? Well, you dont think they know where For the last year. Listen, they would have found me earlier, just like, the other
Mexico, man. <Cough> D S D S D S Thats a cold-ass place there. All I know is I like their pizza. Yeah, my dad Chicago? Ha, ha, ha. The Windy City.
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be fighting both cases, at the same time?
did, uh how long ago was the this case, did they tell you? The Homicide detectives? Yeah, or anybody.
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fingerprints and a booking number. And it all comes up in court. me? Or they fingerprint me first?
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showed up. So, I went in there and talked to them. And then, when they G S G S *** charges ***. Whats that?
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S D morning. S D S D S
Yeah. Convince the District Attorney, and all I have to do is worry
about my PO, if I even talk to my PO in here tonight, maybe in the Dude you pissed him off? *** Does he make you pee? Or he doesnt make you pee?
Nah, I guess nothing. *** really. You know. But yeah, he My PO wanted me to pee. And I started laughing. I said Do <Laugh>
does watch my ass, you know, on a short leash, you know. I look like a fucking meth freak? D Yeah. Yeah. <Yawn> <Cough> D
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fucking -- tell them you need a spa fucking cell.
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a motherfucker when I got in here. I started doing that, and it does *** God Damn it, it fucking burns. D G S G D G D S D Whats that do? Just, uh just flushes you out? Yeah, it knocks all the sinus stuff out. <Yawn> It works.
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old, maybe older.
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One guy 65 and *** intertwined in my leg and *** flipped Yeah. Are you some kind of judo fucking Yeah. Do you know what this is? No. ***. Can I see it? Oh, fuck, dude. Are you some kind of martial Yeah. Ah, thats why youre in good shape. Thats why I would never hurt anyone. Well, you dont need to.
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have fun. I used I used this guys power against you. No, Im just saying, Ive learned --
I dont know martial arts. I know none of that. Just ***.
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Anybody can be dangerous, though, you know what I mean? Uh-huh.
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come if you if you have to go to State for whatever reason. But, youre if you aint got nothing to bring to the table, you know what Im saying? Then, youre gonna youre gonna pay something. If youre a fucking you comes in on the fish line, and I see that tattoo, I know what the fuck gonna help be a security guy. G S G S S S G S G ***.
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they get you? Uh, Huh? How did they catch you get you on the case *** the first one. Well, yeah, Santa Monica.
All 30 of them uh, I *** probably like SUVs and and mini-
vans. And they just blocked me in all thirty of em. They werent taking D away. S D G D D D G So, theres no chance. So, youre not a super hero and get First ten, youd be all right. But, after that, you start getting Yeah.
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You think so? I dont know, man. Hes got a fucking tail. I When are you out of here?
dont know if theyre gonna cut him loose.
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bring your dumb ass over here. Stupid shit like that, you know. They did that already, obviously.
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should fucking take your shit just to fucking make a thing. I guess its as bad as sleeping on that shit. <Chuckle> <Cough/clear-throat> S G S G S G S G S G S What martial arts are you into? Its called what? Wing Chun. Hmnh. What is it? Korean? <No audible response> Chinese? Its called Wing Chun.
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Uh, again, its June 17, 2008, at 2310 hours. Were done
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<Close cell-door> Oh. ***. All right. Fellas. Theyll be coming in about 5:00. Okay. <Close-cell door> *** let it just roll, dude. Yeah, ***. *** you know ***. Huh? Yeah. Yeah. *** fucking shirt off. Dude, see what happens. See whats hes got to say, you know. <Cough> Huh? <Unintelligible background noises/voices>
See what happens. See what happens. Okay. <Unintelligible background noises> What are you gonna say why you were gone so long? My PO. Ill Ill ask you if you filled out a lot of paper work or did a lot Nah. Nah, I was just jabbing with him, you know. *** trying to You were gone a long time, dude. Just Ill just say Did you <Blow-nose> <Cough/clear-throat>
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Thank you, thank you for being nice, sir *** . <Cough> What? Oh, no worries. Okay? Thank you, sir. Youre welcome. Oh, fuck. <Close-cell door>
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say Hey. And you would use shoe covers in your house, Id give them to you. So if something happens to you and then, my my finger *** on it. S G ***. ***. And then, they took theyre taking me to *** murder
to they said Ill be hearing from them and Im gonna be arraigned. <Cough> S D S D S G S G What fucking time is it? Fuck, I dont know. Its gotta be -
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chick who cause you said *** some chick? my unit looked over hers and that she was beautiful, this and that. I kind of think I know who theyre talking about, cause I thought associated with the person who lived there. So, I mean, I have nothing to ***.
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arraign me. Ill Ill explain it in court or to the jury. I dont care. Uhm, and then, they went to my, uh my daughters mom. And, of course, shes gonna rape me and shell lie and say whatever. S G D G D G me. S G D G S G S S G G S G S Nice. <Cough/clear-throat> We dont get along, so. Mmnh-mmnh. <Sigh> Mmnh. Did they say they went to her? Like you were saying, huh? Mmnh-mmnh. Yeah.
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show it to me?
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searched, and tried to say Oh, he wears this hat. And there was blood D G S G S G S Mmnh-mmnh. And that The person. Whose blood is it? The dead person? Yeah. Thats what they say. Oh <Cough> Thats funny, back in the day, I didnt even have that hat. Is it? Yeah. Well, maybe theyre fucking lying to you. But you had one like it, though. Its like the same hat you
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thats not the hat I wear. I never wear that hat.
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You know, a good explanation for why that bootie was there,
have to come up with something. <Clear-throat> S G S S
If you put up the the chances the chance of somebody What about the chance of someone taking them from my Well, that could be. Are you is your ***? <Cough> You said you live in an apartment. And Yeah, it was an open complex. So, like you could access Oh, so, if you had in theory, if you had a pair of booties up Anyone could grab them, then. And then somebody but, see, theyd have to know that.
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You you lived upstairs you said, right? G D G D D S D G D G D G D them. G D G D Across the way upstairs. So, ***. Were the booties in a box? Mmnh-mmnh. So, you have to okay. So, youd have to youre -- Youre <Cough>
So, your DNA would have to somehow get in the box which No, no, no. They laid right on the floor not in a box. They Oh. Yeah.
isnt that difficult, obviously.
come in a box. But, they lay on the floor there. I would take them off
-- And leave them at the front door. Ah, okay. So, you take those off. And somebody would find And and then Theyd go to your place They didnt have to find them. You could see them in front of Yeah. They pick them up from you. They go down to her
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place, uh, break inside, kill her, get the blood on it. It had your DNA and her blood. G D G Of course, they would leave it behind. Why would they care? Yeah. They dont care. Its not theirs.
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prints.
Thats from a shoe that someone used. They said there was
a certain type of DNA that prints on that material, because of the shoe that person wore. Theyre just trying to scare me linking that blood to my S D S G its at. ***. S G S Well, did you get rid of the car? Or you still got it? steering wheel. They dont even have my vehicle. Oh
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reason they found them in my trunk is because I ***. S G there, -<Cough> D G D Well, look Mmnh. In my new uh, in my truck with me. My booties are all over
the place, man. I leave them all over the place. But, when I go over
-- Am I supposed to fear that someone takes them?
No. Listen. And thats a good explanation. But, think of this
think of another, uh, -- that you you know, it doesnt it doesnt hurt to to have a couple of stories. Uhm, if I were D S -- If Im looking at that <Sigh> <Cough>
-- If Im the if I am the if Im the prosecutor, and you you
give me the the that you gave her a set of booties and/or you left gonna say is, Why would some the idea of wearing booties is so you dont track, you know, crap in from the outside or even get, you know, dirt on your shoes in the house. Well, if someones gonna walk in their
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house, and then, put them on, it kind of defeats the purpose. And thats what Id say, if I was the, you know, the prosecutor. So, but, you what youre talking about, Umnh, Umnh, the, uh G D S Listen. Somebody would put them on, because they dont Yeah. Well, yeah. But, Im saying they wouldnt walk into the place,
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and then, put them on. They wouldnt go digging in a trash can, cause they wouldnt know they were there. G S G ***. D G D G D Heating and air I mean, heating and plumbing? ***, yeah. Okay. So, you use that. Even my partner everyone. No. But, if they saw them on your doorstep They would take them, put them on, before they went in and Right. You now, you use those things at work, right?
Could you could you would what about saying that, uh
inside, fucking, uh, walk outside and D G D
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with them D G D G D D D G D Sure, thats not--- Im not responsible. Youre not responsi . Yep. Youre right. Am I responsible? <Cough> You knew this girl and you didnt say <Cough> No. But, see, the thing is you knew this girl.
Sure, I was there in her apartment. I had to. She <No audible response>
asked me to come in, or whatever. You you see what Im saying? You know, Im just saying that, you know, if if her blood is
on her on the bootie, you might have left them in there. And when she did they find the bootie? Did they tell you? G D S you know. G S G D S G G I dont know. Ah
Id Id still go with the leaving them on my front porch deal, Man, anybody could grab them. Right. Even at my place in Santa Monica. Mmnh-mmnh. Yeah. They could grab em and use them. Thats how ***. <Cough> What if the boyfriend came to spending time with her and
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then Yeah? Spending time with her. And then, they had a scuffle. Looks around *** guy? Who knows, man? I wasnt there. I you know, Im saying Well,
that, I can for sure guarantee you.
Id get on her ass. Her boyfriend if her boyfriend showed
up, and they got in a fight, shit, who knows? What were you gonna say I was I was not there. But, I could explain why--- my DNA is there, regardless.
My *** -- Ive been to the house and helped carry the bags or See, again and, yeah, like you were saying, again, your And this this is a person that I knew about. Even the Yeah, I This was a nice person and Im a people person so, ***. <Cough/clear-throat> Well, it sounds like you got that one figured out. Hopefully,
put on the sheets or carry the laundry. DNA is in a lot of different places. person *** that would talk to me.
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Were they assholes? They said they found it ***. Ah Okay. Were they assholes? Nah, they were cool. They tried to *** answers this and that. <Clear-throat>
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They were fuck *** they asked me if I would talk to them if I Mmnh-mmnh. I said, Sure.
had an attorney present.
I didnt get upset or anything, man. They were like Were you Yeah.
*** you cause no problems. Dude, what am I cause problems for? Ive got nothing to hide
they said I lived there a few months after. Shit, man, fucking I lived there for a for fucking over a year, man.
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in the house, leave them outside D G D G Mmnh-mmnh. -- In the house, leave them outside, and someone else takes Youre not. Youre not, dude.
them? Im fucking responsible? Im being honest. I I leave them in my house now. And I
just leave them there at the front door. And people take them. The D
Im here to tell you, if you if everybody knows you, and
and out of the the girl the victims house, doesnt mean that you fucking killed her. G D G shit. D G They said they saw me in there like a few times. The girl asked me to fucking help her carry her groceries and Exactly. Im just saying Im just saying that You know, we just started talking. But, I dont know what <Cough> G
everyone is beautiful to me? Im not even into big-chested women. I
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<Clear-throat> Im not into big-chested women. I I dont even remember what the person I never did pay attention to her. I just talk to everyone, Yeah. Its a shame, though, man, that she got murdered. I told you they would try to take the similarities. Yeah, I told you, man. ***.
Did you know that did you know that this one over here, uh, No, man. Thank, God.
in the Santa Monica one, did you know her?
Yeah. I think you and I have talked enough about that. I Yeah.
-- We got that we got to get the story <Clear-throat>
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arraigning. Arraigning is thats just your first appearance. And just
Its just gonna be a I mean, youre gonna go out there and Theyre gonna have what?
say, Not guilty. Theyre gonna have some dumptruck stand in for you. Uh, some dump-truck, uh, attorney thatll be, uh because Oh. So, I cant have my attorney? Well, you can. But, I mean, theyre it doesnt matter who
you have. All youre gonna say is that youre not guilty. And then, <Cough> S G
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talking to me a lot and seeing me a lot. Why would they talk to you and see you a lot? Arent they supposed to be ***? D S D G Uh-huh. I dont know. Maybe they got more of shit that they thought you did, man. *** piling it on. And they go Yeah, you remember the Detective Spetco
(phonetic) from Chicago? They were hassling me about another

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homicide that I had nothing to do with. It was the the brother and some people, you know. But, they were following me, cause they put the heat on me. And, ever since then, theyve been following me to the end of the earth. D G D Why? They got any more evidence on you? Why would they hound you if they dont have, uh you know <Clear-throat> D D G D S Like youre just gonna give it up, <Cough> -- Get tired and ***. Yeah, No.
youre not playing with something shitty here. These this is these are fucking serious-ass charges. G S <Clear-throat> Theyre allegations, man. Right. <Unintellgiible background noises/voices> <Coughing> Did he say whether youre gonna do your whole, uh your <Clear-throat> D Hes gonna give me a fucking hes gonna recommend a <Cough/clear-throat>
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Transcript*Time*04:45* Real*Time*June*17,*2008,*6:33*pm*

that kind of guy.

Yeah, its better. ***.

So, if I was so guilty --

Well, I was right. They you

attorney and talk to my attorney, or take *** so that

Let me ask you, *** you know. But, if if my attorney says to

This is just all shit. ***. Just keep on rubbing it.

chit-chat to, right?

whatsoever. If they he kind of told for them to call him up. S G S

me, uh, like, you know, these guys, you know, I

wondering what the fuck, over, you know.

Who knows what theyre talking about?

coming at you because of the this other G S know.

Well, if you know, again, you know, without getting in your

house. Not because there was a crime.

They have any well, youd probably know if they have

Theyre just constantly always trying to throw shit at me

-- My best belief is that, if youre informed, youre armed

Theyre just trying to tack shit on to me. *** a different

times-- my DNA should have been, shouldnt it?

<No audible response>

Hey, uh, did you have an attorney or anything in court?

I want to know what that court order was temporary court

cant do anything, cause Im on fucking probation.

Well, it could be my mom. Man, Im here to tell you,

Uh, well, thats a good question. I can you know,

Yeah. Yeah, I ***. The big thing

was a yeah, a five-year, uh

So, you got three to go.

bloody her up or anything. You know, I mean, there aint no fucking

pictures tomorrow when shes all swelled up and shit.

Yeah, I got three to go.

They dont fuck around with, uh

So, thats my problem. And, you

on the front yard.

Yeah, Im fucking done. I mean, if she she wants to and my

though. I mean, you didnt mean to fucking kill the guy.

mom called to bail me out to fucking, called a bail bondsman.

-- Its gonna be a self-defense thing. And

Give your attorney something.

Well, you know, when youre a fucking ex-con, dude, fucking

Man, just give your attorney something something ***.

if something happened there. Who knows? Ah. Anything to lead it to my

Are those lights getting brighter? Or is it me?

Yeah, they dont want any shadows. <Chuckle> I guess

<Unintelligible background noises>

Yeah, its like those lights at in County. They are so bright.

to, uh, -- I think its just twinkling like a new ***.

Cause, man, those fuckers had chains and shit on them.

*** want me to know.

wasnt a Laker fan. right now. Theyre playing Boston.

-- How many people are down there?

My only problem with doing that, if we if youre talking about

where youre coming from. But, uhm

know know if Ill go back or not.

You got to have keys to get out.

-- The only problem I have with it is, is that -- I understand

see? How many people?

you know what?

much evidence do they have? I mean, you know, ***.

The on the only DNA they could have on me is hair and

come up with that amount.

I couldnt possibly conjure up ninety grand.

Michael Gargiulo: Part 2 Transcript of "Perkins Operation"

Michael Gargiulo: Part 2 Transcript of "Perkins Operation"

TranscriptTime04:45* RealTimeJune17,2008,6:33pm*

Youre saying * stun her <Laughs> * open it now.

. He doesnt know yet. He doesnt know yet. .

* fucking *it. I started fucking get into ***.

fucking fucking. *** fuck, you know.