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Yesterday, 03:03 AN
conradelektro
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Originally Posted by woopy
Hi all
And doing this i stumble upon this experiment
amazing discovering of an inductret effect 1.wmv - YouTube
hope this helps
Laurent
@Laurent:
One excellent feature of your videos is the circuit drawing which you show at the right time. This
makes your presentation a joy to follow because one knows what you are talking about.
Thank you for your nice and educational videos.
Greetings, Conrad
Yesterday, 03:26 AN
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THE ANSWERS TO YOU ? IS (7) 1" IN A MINI BOBBIN WHICH SHOW APICTURE IN THIS POST
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FROM MY PHONE
IT ALUDES ME RIGHT NOW WHO DID IT BUT I APRECIATE THE HELP. WOULD NOT HAPPEND WITH
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Yesterday, 03:30 AN
vidbid
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...this is simply my way of "giving back"...
Thanks, Dragon.
I think I can safely say that the people in this forum consider your contributions extremely valuable.
Thank you.
Also, if you or anyone else could provide a supplier's web site where I could purchase a 2kvac 2uf
run cap (metal case) it would be greatly appreciated.
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Yesterday, 03:31 AN
SLOW-N-EASY
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Here Some More. Hope This Is Ok To Do More Than 1 Post Of The Same Thing.
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dragon
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Originally Posted by woopy
Hi all
Hi Dragon thank's for posting the circuits very helpfull.
So i tested the last one and it works very well, but needs some more tuning for my setup.
And doing this i stumble upon this experiment
amazing discovering of an inductret effect 1.wmv - YouTube
hope this helps
Hi conrad
thank's very much for the link of the calculator , very heplfull.
Hi Farmhand
Very intersting the way you see the use of those captret possibilities
thank's to all for sharing
And good luck
Laurent
Another excellent video woopy ! It seems you've found how to use the capacitive quality between
the case and coils of the ignition coil. Another interesting subject that we could spend lots of time on.
Very well done sir !
Yesterday, 03:51 AN
dragon
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Hi Vidbid - I like easy questions.... Capacitors just type in the voltage and capacitance and it will
display what they have, up to 80,000 volts in some cases.
Yesterday, 0+:33 AN
SLOW-N-EASY
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Hi All
Here Something I Thought Was Interesting Device Someone Could Build Themselves
And Save Some Money. High Voltage Meters Are Quite Expensive Compared To Building Your Own.
Here's The Circuit And The Picture Of The One I Built. Seems To Work Great.
Regards
P.s. Sorry For The Device Under The Hv Multimeter I Keep All My Builds In One Place That Is One Of
Mr.cleans Replications.
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vidbid
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@Dragon. Thanks for that link! Much appreciated.
@SLOW-N-EASY
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...PICTURES. I HAVE ALOT OF THEM IT COST $1.50PER PICTURE TO E-MAIL
TO MAY WEB ADDRESS TO MY COMPUTER . IT REALLY ADDS UP QUICK...
SLOW-N-EASY
That's a lot of money for a few images.
If you just want to take some images inexpensively, you can pick up a mini web cam for just a
few dollars on ebay.
I think I spent $3.50 plus free shipping.
Mini USB 5M Retractable Clip WebCam | eBay
I bought a couple, and they work pretty good.
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Yesterday, 06:08 AN
kajunkreations
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kacher/lenz
Hey guys, here is a video of my kacher and collector circuit April 26, 2012 8:31 PM - YouTube Its
not quite right yet, as in it doesnt act exactly like Woopy's or like Lenz's circuit, but it does work
none the less. I think one thing is the batteries, cause I can't collect with the plate between them and
Im sure there are other differences. Just wanted to show that it is really simple and will be a great
learning tool. Thank you Lenz for sharing.
Nolan
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Yesterday, 07:00 AN
dragon
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Originally Posted by kajunkreations
Hey guys, here is a video of my kacher and collector circuit April 26, 2012 8:31 PM -
YouTube Its not quite right yet, as in it doesnt act exactly like Woopy's or like Lenz's circuit,
but it does work none the less. I think one thing is the batteries, cause I can't collect with
the plate between them and Im sure there are other differences. Just wanted to show that it
is really simple and will be a great learning tool. Thank you Lenz for sharing.
Nolan
Nice job kajunkreations ! Even thought it's not quite there yet you have the basics and it's
functioning. I'm sure the mismatched batteries will effect it to some degree, like using 2 mismatched
caps in series. I've never used full size batteries so I don't know how that will affect things.
One thing that might make a big difference is moving the transistor circuitry close to the coil making
all the wires as short as possible.
I might question the diodes as well, being HV diodes ( or an encased string of them ) they might
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require a fairly high voltage to pass through them - I wonder if there might be a dampening of the
signal causing the oscillator to drop in frequency thus destroying the effect when the coil is grounded.
I've never used that type of diode so I'm only speculating. I'm using UF4007 and/or UF5408 both
fast reacting rated at 1000 volts. Being connected on the earth side they should never see that
much voltage but the current can be fairly high. I've never popped the 4007s so I'm assuming it's
never reached their limit of 1 amp although during long runs they do get warm.
Other than some minor modifications and a bit of tweaking I'd say your well on your way to
discovery !! Great work !
Yesterday, 07:36 AN
kajunkreations
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Hey dragon, I will shorten the wires, get some batteries, I just put the transistor there cause that
was where stuff was in another experiment. The diodes are China made, 100ns I dont know if thats
fast enough. I have tried 1000v diodes that Radio Shack sells, not sure if they are fast, but they
didnt work, I also tried some schottky dioeds and they didnt work. I think that I will try some other
stuff with my Don Smith setup, This effect is very similar to the DSE (don smith effect).
Nolan
Yesterday, 07:57 AN
dragon
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The two diodes I noted above shouldn't be confused by the 1N's with the same number, the UF's are
the fast diodes and 1N's are the standard. There may not be a problem with those diodes - my only
concern was the push through voltage requirement - most HV diodes need around 55 volts just to
get through. They seem to work fine from what I saw in the video - just speculating on why it
dumped resonance when grounded.
Yesterday, 08:23 AN
kajunkreations
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I will get the diodes you use and try that out. So is 100ns considered fast enough?
Yesterday, 08:53 AN
dragon
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Plenty fast enough - should be fine to around 10Mhz. 1ns is one billionth of a second or .000000001
second. So 100ns would be .000000100. 1 second divided by that number will give you hz. I always
get confused when dealing with such small time frames.
Yesterday, 09:15 AN
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Dragon is a wealth of information.
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Yesterday, 11:+1 AN
zilano
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Stealing Is Bad But.... Is Fun !
@ woopy try this and have fun!
Dear folks!
sub: to learn effect of voltage and frequency charging:
low frequency low voltage slower charging higher frequency and higher voltage faster charging
when connecting to envelope of cap with neutral or cold of wall outlet ac socket. here voltage is zero and
frequency is 50/60 result charging is slow.
when connecting to envelope of cap with live or hot of wall outlet ac socket. here voltage is high say
120/220/230 volts (country grid dependent ) and frequency is 50/60 result : charging is fast.
final result : we need high voltage and high frequency to harvest.
final result can be verified using setup as under.
you can steal electricity from walloutlet AC power socket. and one can use earth or ground of the socket if u
have wall outlet earth working in your wiring and if not then hammer an iron rod in ground and attach earth
wire to it. those who r having cold gi(galvanised iron (water) pipes) they can be used as earth ground.
use incadescent bulb first as it is not affected easily with high voltage. take special care when using bunch of
led's in parallel. use variable Resistance R and measure voltage using dc voltmeter if higher than 3 v adjust R
and make it to provide 3v then attach led.
one can attach the third plate to N(neutral or cold) instead of L(live or hot) charging will be slow.
led's are very voltage sensitive and can be destroyed by over voltage above 3 volts.if attached led without
making voltage 3 v led will fry and burn red. be careful as cap has high voltage.
rgds
zzzz
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soundiceuk
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So if you have a good earth. Does that mean you could rewire a plug or fusebox to use the earth
instead of the neutral? It wouldn't be touching the meter tamper proof seals which is normally the
only way!
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Zilano (Stealing is Bad but Fun!)
Many thanks Zilano!!!! I love your new avatar.
Yesterday, 06:26 PN
RAD-HHO
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Originally Posted by zilano
@ woopy try this and have fun!
Dear folks!
sub: to learn effect of voltage and frequency charging:
low frequency low voltage slower charging higher frequency and higher voltage faster charging
when connecting to envelope of cap with neutral or cold of wall outlet ac socket. here voltage is zero and
frequency is 50/60 result charging is slow.
when connecting to envelope of cap with live or hot of wall outlet ac socket. here voltage is high say
120/220/230 volts (country grid dependent ) and frequency is 50/60 result : charging is fast.
final result : we need high voltage and high frequency to harvest.
final result can be verified using setup as under.
[color=blue]you can steal electricity from walloutlet AC power socket. and one can use earth or ground of
the socket if u have wall outlet earth working in your wiring and if not then hammer an iron rod in ground
and attach earth wire to it. those who r having cold gi(galvanised iron (water) pipes) they can be used as
earth
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Sorry Zilano, but charging a cap from hot to ground is essentialy the same as hot to neutral. Neutral and ground are
tied together at the breaker panel. You will be charged for it.
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Neutral and earth are the same thing basically. We have 2 hot lines coming in from the distribution
transformer on the pole both being 120 volt lines, the final connection is to earth. Both earth and
neutral wires basically go to the same earthing rod - kind of redundant for safety purposes I would
imagine.
It would be difficult for the meter to sense that low of a power draw but what Z posted will work.
Connect a bunch of them and it would be metered. Great for powering a couple night lights maybe.
Yesterday, 07:13 PN
soundiceuk
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In UK three houses have a phase of 240v. If combined 415v.
What is the purpose of the neutral being wired to the meter and then to fusebox?
Are you saying that the meter only needs flow in hot line to function?
They are not tied together at breaker board in UK.
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dragon
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I'm not familiar with how the UK deals with distribution. Current can be sensed from either hot or
neutral ( amps in = amps out ).
Yesterday, 08:22 PN
zilano
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Sorry Zilano, but charging a cap from hot to ground is essentialy the same as hot to neutral. Neutral
and ground are tied together at the breaker panel. You will be charged for it.
since we attach live to encapsulation or outer covering of cap. we r not directly connecting it to live wire. so
its like open circuit. capacitance between encapsulation to any terminal of cap can be in pf or lesser and is
almost negligible as pf capicitance is used for bypassing rf frequencies and here we r dealing with 50/60 hz.
the voltage potential is still there. and is alternating(frequency).
the live wire acts as bait for the charges to syphon from earth ground through diodes to charge
cap. so nothing is drawn as load from live wire. load is on earth ground.
in case of connecting the encapsulation of cap to neutral wire. the neutral wire recieves the frequency of live
wire due to parallel induction and is not metered. it has only frequency and potential is zero volt.
the idea is to know why frequency and voltage are both required to harvest more. we can only use
frequency only to charge cap but its slow process but it is there. with potential and frequency we can charge
faster in less time frame.
moreover its one wire connectivity. and u r not loading any load on single line.
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Many thanks Zilano!!!! I love your new avatar.
Thank you Slovenia!
may u have good health and happiness in ur life! and all others who are here too.
rgds
zelina
Yesterday, 09:26 PN
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Know How - Recovery Time at Diodes
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Originally Posted by dragon
Plenty fast enough - should be fine to around 10Mhz. 1ns is one billionth of a second or
.000000001 second. So 100ns would be .000000100. 1 second divided by that number will
give you hz. I always get confused when dealing with such small time frames.
Sorry, I have to correct!
The recovery time of a diode is in fact the switch delay time.
- A 100ns diode will refuse any action at 10 MHz (conforms to 100ns full periode).
- A diode is supposed to act in the half periode of an AC signal only. It will refuse therefore any action
at 5 MHz (conforms to 100ns as half periode) as well.
- Any recovery time obove 1/4 frequency periode shall be avoided - in any case!!!! So we have the
absolute limit of 2.5 MHz for this 100ns diode. But this is not recommended at all. If we make use of
this condition we have built an AC dimmer with phase control.
- For estimation: I would suggest to convert the recovery time to frequency (1/x) and divide it by
more than 8 (12 recommended). Then you have a viable operation frequency.
Given: 100ns = 0.1s => 10 MHz / 8....12 = 1.25 ..... 0.833 MHz.
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- For easy converting (1/x) in your mind regard: s convert to MHz, ms convert to kHz. It is like
calculation with volt and kOhm convert ot mA ......
- You can get 20ns diodes being able to handle about 5 MHz but do not head for higher frequencies.
You very probably will not get components within your financial limits - HV, high amp, supoer ultra
fast......
- For your better imagination see this diagram[/url] and let the recovery time be less than Pi/4
(corresponds to factor 8 above).
- Please do not hesitate to look in the data sheets. If you do not find a recovery time there then
regard the diode to be built for mains frequency only!!!
- Example: UF 5408 -> recovery time typical 75 ns @ 1A. If you apply max. current it will get
slower. Same UF4007. So please calculate these diodes to have 100ns recovey time.
Please regard the hints above. I want your setups to succeed. Any weak part of a chain detemines
the max. load!
rgds John
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Quote:
Originally Posted by soundiceuk
In UK three houses have a phase of 240v. If combined 415v.
What is the purpose of the neutral being wired to the meter and then to fusebox?
Are you saying that the meter only needs flow in hot line to function?
They are not tied together at breaker board in UK.
The neutral is used at the meters for the voltage sensing coil only. Any meter accounts for the AC
current flowing through the hot wire only.
They trust in you that you will return the full number of electrons for free!
Same at three phases: They account for the current of all phases summed up and add in their
calculation the voltage coil being connected to earth.
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Neutral and earth are the same thing basically. We have 2 hot lines coming in from the
distribution transformer on the pole both being 120 volt lines, the final connection is to
earth. Both earth and neutral wires basically go to the same earthing rod - kind of redundant
for safety purposes I would imagine.
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It would be difficult for the meter to sense that low of a power draw but what Z posted will
work. Connect a bunch of them and it would be metered. Great for powering a couple night
lights maybe.
neutral and earth are not same things as neutral has induced frequency of 50/60 hz due to live wire
running parallel to it. and neutral can be used as bait to attract charges from earth ground using
diodes. the third plate always needs either pure frequency(alternating) or frequency and voltage to
attract charges from ground using diodes to cap legs.
higher frequency and higher voltage resullts in syphoning more from ground or air. diodes play a vital
role to dance to the tune of frequency and acts as slave and pull charges with each cycle. so fast
acting diodes having 200 ns or more are required.
moray used germanium diodes they were very fast and since cosmic energy is fluctuating at higher
than rf frequency band their cycles can be tapped to lure charges from ground.
proof of concept :try making a crystal radioset using in4001 or any silicon diode. u will fail. use
germanium cat whisker diode like OA79 OR IN 34 U WILL SUCCEED. cat whisker germanium diodes
are made to work with higher rf frequencies where as silicon diodes work for low frequencies except
when ranges like 100 or 200ns used but cant work for radio frequencies as they require low current
and low voltage operation. where as silicon diodes need higher voltage and higher current to
operate.
rgds
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Yesterday, 10:38 PN
dragon
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I stand corrected...
Thanks John, that clears the fuzzyness in my mind and a few questions I had in this area -
Z - I didn't look at the combined wires only the connection to ground, but, any earth ground will
experience stray frequencies when a load is in use. You can pretty much go anywhere, stick a nail in
the ground and get 50/60hz readings as well as voltage variations.
We seem to be working in the same area with different approaches and theory.
Yesterday, 10:5+ PN
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Originally Posted by zilano
neutral and earth are not same things as neutral has induced frequency of 50/60 hz due to
live wire running parallel to it. and neutral can be used as bait to attract charges from earth
ground using diodes. the third plate always needs either pure frequency(alternating) or
frequency and voltage to attract charges from ground using diodes to cap legs.
higher frequency and higher voltage resullts in syphoning more from ground or air. diodes
play a vital role to dance to the tune of frequency and acts as slave and pull charges with
each cycle. so fast acting diodes having 200 ns or more are required.
moray used germanium diodes they were very fast and since cosmic energy is fluctuating at
higher than rf frequency band their cycles can be tapped to lure charges from ground.
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proof of concept :try making a crystal radioset using in4001 or any silicon diode. u will fail.
use germanium cat whisker diode like OA79 OR IN 34 U WILL SUCCEED. cat whisker
germanium diodes are made to work with higher rf frequencies where as silicon diodes work
for low frequencies except when ranges like 100 or 200ns used but cant work for radio
frequencies as they require low current and low voltage operation. where as silicon diodes
need higher voltage and higher current to operate.
rgds
zzzz
Hi, zilano!
Congratulations!
You are very popular in Russia.
Are you really woman?
Don't take it wrong way.
But I don't believe it.
Excuse me.
By the way.
Do you want to see a russian variant of device for stealing electricity?
Sergey
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zilano
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Quote:
Originally Posted by usu
Hi, zilano!
Congratulations!
You are very popular in Russia.
Are you really woman?
Don't take it wrong way.
But I don't believe it.
Excuse me.
By the way.
Do you want to see a russian variant of device for stealing electricity?
Sergey
Hi Sergey!
yes surely 100% woman. my name is Zelina Zilano Zeiss Zane.
sure if u have it then post it for the benefit of mankind !
rgds
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