General Sponsor General Sponsor Joined: 01 Apr 2008 Posts: 400 Location: Trivandrum PostPosted: Mon Apr 27,

2009 2:07 pm Post subject: Spring Constants for Suppo rts Reply with quote Dear SEFIans, Can you suggest a (simple) method for finding the spring constant for support re presenting an isolated footing in a computer model (STAAD, ETABS and the like). I presume one has to find the subgrade modulus for calculating the spring consta nt So what I wish to know is 1) How to find subgrade modulus of soil, having known (i) SPT N-value or (ii) SB C of soil 2) How to find the spring constants from the subgrade modulus and the dimensions of footing Also, what is the method for finding the spring constant for support in case of piles (single or group) Regards, Rahul Leslie Back to top View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Dr. N. Subramanian General Sponsor General Sponsor Joined: 21 Feb 2008 Posts: 4480 Location: Gaithersburg, MD, U.S.A. PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:40 pm rts Reply with quote Dear Er Rahul, Post subject: Spring Constants for Suppo

IS 2950-1981 gives the following app. values for k in kN/m^3 For sand: SPT value dry/moist Submerged <10 (loose) 15,000 9000 10 t0 30 (medium) 15,000-47,000 9000-29,000 Quote: 30 (Dense) 47,000-180,000 29,000-108,000 For clay it is based on unconfined comp. strength of soil qu qu (kN/m^2) k 10-20 (stiff) 27,00020-40(very stiff) 27,000-54,000 Quote: 40 (hard) 54,000 - 108,000 Bowles gives an app. exp. for sands as k = 40 qnu, where qnu is net ultimate bea ring capacity For clays, app. it may be taken as 1200 qu, where qu is unconfined strength.

Read Bowles or Varghese,P.C> Foundation Engg., Prentice Hall of India for more d etails. Hope this helps. Best wishes Subramanian --- On Mon, 4/27/09, rahul.leslie <forum@sefindia.org> wrote: Quote: From: rahul.leslie <forum@sefindia.org> Subject: [SEFI] Spring Constants for Supports To: general@sefindia.org Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 2:07 PM Dear SEFIans, Can anyone suggest a (simple) method for finding the spring constant for support representing an isolated footing in a computer model (in STAAD, ETABS and the l ike). I presume one has to find the subgrade modulus for calculating the spring constants So what I wish to know is 1) How to find subgrade modulus of soil, having known (i) SPT N-value or (ii) SB C of soil 2) How to find the spring constants from the subgrade modulus and the dimensions of footing Also, what is the method for finding the spring constant for support in case of piles (single or group) Regards, Rahul Leslie

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You have raised avery important point. In this connection please note the following: There are amny correlations available in the literature between modulus of subgr ade reaction to SPT value, Bearing Capacity, Elastic Modulus, Shear Modulus, She ar wave velocity etc. Based on my experience of about 40 years in this subject and having authored the

book on machine foundation, my observations are as under: 1. Correlations given by D D Barkan are quite reliable. 2. There is a correlation given by Bowels linking Subgrade reaction modulus to B earing capacity. I quite disagree with that as it gives very very erroneous resu lts. In my opinion, this should not be used at all. 3. Correlation of SPT Value to modulus of Subgrade Reaction is also not reliable . Hoever DD Barkan has given one such correlation that can be used with caution. 4. I have also tried to reproduce all these in my book " Foundations for Industr ial machines-Handbook for Practising Engineers" For details pl log on to www.machinefoundation.com DR K G Bhatia

On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 rahul.leslie wrote : Quote: Dear SEFIans, Can anyone suggest a (simple) method for finding the spring constant for support representing an isolated footing in a computer model (in STAAD, ETABS and the like). I presume one has to find the subgrade modulus for calculating the spring constants So what I wish to know is 1) How to find subgrade modulus of soil, having known (i) SPT N-value or (ii) SBC of soil 2) How to find the spring constants from the subgrade modulus and the dimensions of footing Also, what is the method for finding the spring constant for support in case of piles (single or group) Regards, Rahul Leslie

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1. Apart from emperical relations available from literature already discussed now, there is a practical way for finding Subgrade Modulaus from SBC Report. For the selected sizes of footing, SBC Report gives qna (Net allowable Bearing P ressure) and the settlement produced under this safe bearing pressure. Hence Subgrade Modulus = qna / Settlement of footing under this pressure. If the settlement is not given for the qna, ask the Geotechnical Engineer to fur nish the magnitude of Settlement corresponding to SBC Value. 2. While using Winkler's model for Analysis, one must rememder that it is a very cr ude modelling of soil behaviour, Hence design the base for a Range of 'k' values instead of design for a particular value. 3. Follow the rule given by our predecessors as : Provide 50 % of the reinf. on the Opposite face to account for using simplified approach. K. N. Sheth Dharmsinh Desai University, Nadiad

Posted via Email Back to top View user's profile Send private message rahul.leslie General Sponsor General Sponsor Joined: 01 Apr 2008 Posts: 400 Location: Trivandrum PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:35 pm Post subject: Reply with quote Thanks to everyone for the valuable suggesions... I expect the discussion to dev elop further Rahul Leslie Back to top View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website