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that all people accused of a crime are (for instance) given representation, kept from committing the same crime again while the truth is determined, and tried by a jury of people drawn from the population, we know that in most cases (most meaning more than half) the correct person will be convicted of the crime and innocent people will be turned loose. Because we acknowledge that our justice system isn't perfect, and that those who have been convicted of crimes are nonetheless human (and dwell in someone's Monkeysphere, if not ours), the next step is to define right action after conviction. Human societies have devised many systems for handling people convicted of crimes, ranging from death, to lifelong enslavement, to short term, defined involuntary servitude, to imprisonment, to shunning. Each of these has been effective in various ways, and problematic on others. The next conversation on justice, after the one about process, can involve what to do with those who have been convicted of crimes. But only after we all agree that they are still human. And all humans are people.