Deputy X5, WCSO - Deposition Transcript (Federal) - Redacted

J ayson Loreen, March 11, 2014
Paul Murphy v. Whatcom County

3206 Wetmore Avenue, Suite 12 - Everett, Washington 98201
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7 UNI TED STATES OF DI STRI CT COURT
8 WESTERN DI STRI CT OF WASHI NGTON AT SEATTLE
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10 PAUL MURPHY, t oget her wi t h hi s )
mar i t al communi t y, )
11 Pl ai nt i f f s, )
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12 vs. ) NO. 2: 13- CV- 00727
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13 WHATCOM COUNTY, WASHI NGTON, a )
gover nment ent i t y; WHATCOM COUNTY )
14 SHERI FF' S DEPARTMENT; WI LLI AM J . )
ELFO, t oget her wi t h hi s mar i t al )
15 communi t y, )
Def endant s. )
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17 DEPOSI TI ON UPON ORAL EXAMI NATI ON
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18 J AYSON LOREEN
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Mar ch 11t h, 2014
21 What comCount y Cour t house
311 Gr and Avenue
22 Bel l i ngham, Washi ngt on 98225
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Repor t ed by Kr i st en M. Uhl i g
24 Cer t i f i ed Cour t Repor t er , CCR, CSR
Washi ngt on CCR #1934
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1 A P P E A R A N C E S
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3 FOR THE PLAI NTI FFS:
Rober t But l er & Emi l y Beschen
4 Law Of f i ces of Rober t But l er
103 East Hol l y St r eet Sui t e 512
360. 734. 3448
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7 FOR THE DEFENDANTS WHATCOM COUNTY & SHERI FF' S DEPARTMENT & ELFO
Dal e Kamer r er
8 Law Lyman Dani el Kamer r er Bogdanovi ch
2674 RWJ ohnson Bl vd SW
9 Tumwat er , Washi ngt on 98512
360. 754. 3480
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11 FOR WHATCOM COUNTY:
El i zabet h Gal l er y
12 What comCount y Pr osecut or ' s Of f i ce
311 Gr and Avenue
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ALSO PRESENT:
15 Wi l l i amEl f o
Tar a Adr i an- St avi k
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17 I N D E X
18 EXAMI NATI ON: PAGE
19 BY MR. BUTLER. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3
20 BY MR. KAMERRER. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10
21 BY MR. BUTLER. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13
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23 EXHI BI T DESCRI PTI ON PAGE
24 No Exhi bi t s Mar ked
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1 J AYSON LOREEN,
2 havi ng been f i r st dul y swor n, was cal l ed as a wi t ness her ei n and
3 was exami ned and t est i f i ed as f ol l ows:
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5 DI RECT EXAMI NATI ON
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7 BY MR. BUTLER:
8 Q Coul d you pl ease st at e your name and spel l i t f or t he r ecor d?
9 A J ayson, J - A- Y- S- O- N, Lor een, L- O- R- E- E- N.
10 Q And ar e you empl oyed?
11 A I am.
12 Q Wher e ar e you empl oyed?
13 A What comCount y Sher i f f ' s Of f i ce.
14 Q How l ong have you been so empl oyed?
15 A I st ar t ed out i n t he j ai l i n 2006 and became a pat r ol of f i cer
16 i n J ul y of 2010.
17 Q Okay. I n your empl oyment , do you know Paul Mur phy?
18 A I do.
19 Q How do you know Paul Mur phy?
20 A I wor ked wi t h hi mon pat r ol .
21 Q Okay. I n t he t i me t hat you have wor ked f or t he count y i n bot h,
22 I guess, t he j ai l and - - because i t ' s t he same depar t ment s,
23 i t ' s j ust di f f er ent di vi si ons; cor r ect ?
24 A Yup.
25 Q Have you hear d peopl e t al k about Paul ' s pol i t i cal and r el i gi ous
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1 bel i ef s?
2 A I have.
3 Q Okay. And who have you hear d t hat f r om?
4 A I r emember Ser geant Kl ei n. He was - - t hat ' s pr obabl y t he onl y
5 one t hat I r emember t al ki ng about i t .
6 Q What do you r ecal l hear i ng f r omSer geant Kl ei n?
7 A They wer e j ust ki nd of - - when Obama got el ect ed.
8 Q Okay. I n t he 2011 el ect i on, wer e you awar e of who Paul Mur phy
9 was suppor t i ng f or sher i f f ?
10 A I don' t r emember who he was suppor t i ng.
11 Q Wer e you awar e t hat he was not suppor t i ng Sher i f f El f o?
12 A I was awar e of t hat .
13 Q How wer e you awar e of t hat ?
14 A Pol i t i cal - - I guess t hat he had a Facebook page.
15 Q Di d you ever vi ew t he Facebook page?
16 A I di d.
17 Q Do you r ecal l t he name of t he Facebook page t hat was associ at ed
18 wi t h Paul i n r el at i onshi p t o t he el ect i on?
19 A I t hought t hat i t was j ust hi s Facebook page, hi s per sonal
20 Facebook page.
21 Q Do you r ecal l a Facebook page bei ng, Un- El ect Bi l l El f o, or
22 Boot Bi l l El f o?
23 A I hear d about t hat .
24 Q Who di d you hear about t hat f r om?
25 A I bel i eve t hat I mi ght have hear d i t f r omBen Wood.
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1 Q On Febr uar y 7t h, 2012, do you r ecal l at t endi ng a SECTOR
2 t r ai ni ng cl ass?
3 A I do.
4 Q You wer e act ual l y i nt er vi ewed i n Mar ch about your exper i ence at
5 t he SECTOR cl ass?
6 A Yeah.
7 Q Do you r emember t hat wi t h Ser geant Cool ey?
8 A Yup.
9 Q Bet ween t he t i me of t he SECTOR cl ass and t he i nt er vi ew wi t h
10 Ser geant Cool ey, di d you have any ot her di scussi ons wi t h anyone
11 about what happened i n t he SECTOR cl ass?
12 A No.
13 Q So when you wer e cont act ed by Ser geant Cool ey, had you had any
14 cont act wi t h anybody about t he SECTOR cl ass bef or e t hat
15 cont act ?
16 A No.
17 Q I n t he SECTOR cl ass - - do you r ecal l i n t al ki ng wi t h I nspect or
18 Cool ey t hat i t was r ecor ded?
19 A Yes.
20 Q Okay. Have you had an oppor t uni t y t o r evi ew t he t r anscr i pt of
21 t hat ?
22 A I have not .
23 Q Di d you do anyt hi ng i n pr epar at i on f or t oday' s deposi t i on?
24 A I spoke wi t h t he pr osecut or Gal l er y.
25 Q What di d you t al k about wi t h her ?
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1 A I j ust t ol d her t hat I was i n t he cl ass. I don' t r emember what
2 was t al ked about and t hat was about i t .
3 Q How l ong was your meet i ng wi t h Li z?
4 A Ten mi nut es, i f t hat , over t he phone.
5 Q You wer en' t pr ovi ded your t r anscr i pt t o r evi ew?
6 A I di dn' t ask f or i t .
7 Q Okay. I n your t r anscr i pt , you r ecal l or r ecount - - I guess
8 woul d be t he bet t er way of sayi ng i t - - Paul bei ng hesi t ant t o
9 gi ve hi s l apt op t o J ohn Dal quest , t he I T guy. Do you r ecal l
10 t hat ?
11 A Yeah.
12 Q Okay. Can you descr i be t he set t i ng, i f you wi l l , of t he r oom?
13 Wher e was t he t r ai ni ng?
14 A So i t was downst ai r s i n t he basement t r ai ni ng r oom, t her e' s a
15 bunch of comput er s. I was on t he l ef t si de of t he r oomwi t h,
16 si t t i ng next t o Kei t h Li nder man, and Paul Mur phy was si t t i ng
17 next t o ot her peopl e on t he opposi t e of t he r oom.
18 Q Di d you get t o t he r oombef or e or af t er Paul ?
19 A I don' t r emember . I don' t r ecal l when I got t o t he r oom.
20 Q Okay. Do you r emember - - so t he cor ol l ar y quest i on i s: Do you
21 r emember i f Paul was i n t he r oomwhen you got t her e?
22 A Paul was i n t he r oom- - dur i ng t he cl ass, he was i n t he r oom.
23 So when he got t her e, I don' t r emember i f i t was bef or e or
24 af t er me. But when t he cl ass st ar t ed, we wer e al l i n
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1 Q Okay. When t he cl ass st ar t ed, ever ybody' s l apt op had al r eady
2 been t ur ned over ? You wer e wor ki ng on di f f er ent comput er s at
3 t hat poi nt ; cor r ect ?
4 A Yes. Cor r ect .
5 Q Once t he cl ass st ar t ed and you wer e f ocused on SECTOR - -
6 A Mm- hm.
7 Q - - do you r ecal l Paul Mur phy sayi ng anyt hi ng about hi s comput er
8 or anyt hi ng dur i ng t he cl ass?
9 A I don' t r emember hi msayi ng anyt hi ng. I was al r eady - - I ' mnot
10 comput er l i t er at e. So I wasn' t r eal l y f ocused on what ot her
11 peopl e wer e t al ki ng about . I was t r yi ng t o f i gur e out t hi s new
12 pr ogr am.
13 Q Okay.
14 ( Emi l y Beschen Ent er s Conf er ence Room)
15 MR. BUTLER: Wal ki ng i n t he r oomi s Emi l y Beschen,
16 anot her at t or ney i n my of f i ce.
17 Q ( By Mr . But l er ) So descr i be f or me t he pr ocess, as you
18 r emember , you ar r i vi ng t o t he r oom.
19 A So we wer e t o gi ve our Toughbook or comput er t o J ohn Dal quest
20 so t hat he coul d add SECTOR, I guess, mat er i al or what ever you
21 want t o cal l i t , i nt o t he comput er .
22 Q Okay. So you got a not i ce some t i me bef or e t hat t hat sai d t hat
23 you have t o be at t hi s cl ass?
24 A Cor r ect .
25 Q On t he 7t h?
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1 A Yeah.
2 Q Do you r emember when you got t hat ? How f ar i n advance you knew
3 t hat you wer e goi ng?
4 A I don' t r ecal l when I got t hat not i ce.
5 Q Okay. Do you r ecal l t he not i ce sayi ng t hat you have got t o
6 br i ng your Toughbook?
7 A Mm- hm. Yeah.
8 Q I ' mnot t r yi ng t o put wor ds i n your mout h, but as I under st and
9 i t , you wal ked i nt o t he r oomconf i gur ed si mi l ar her e, i t has a
10 door ?
11 A Yup.
12 Q They t ook your Toughbook essent i al l y on your ar r i val ?
13 A I don' t r emember i f i t was on ar r i val or when t hey act ual l y
14 t ook i t .
15 Q Okay.
16 A We had numer ous br eaks so I don' t know i f i t was act ual l y,
17 okay, i t ' s your t ur n so t hat I can updat e i t .
18 Q Do you r ecal l havi ng your Toughbook when you wer e at t he ot her
19 comput er t er mi nal when you wer e doi ng your SECTOR t r ai ni ng?
20 A I t hi nk t hat - - af t er I got i t back, I had i t on t he f l oor next
21 t o me.
22 Q Okay.
23 A Because I r ecal l t hat I had j ust got t en i n t r oubl e f or havi ng
24 t he magnet st r i ps on t he t op, whi ch you ar e not t o have, and I
25 had j ust got an ear f ul f r omhi mand he handed me my Toughbook
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1 and t hat was i t .
2 Q An ear f ul f r omwho?
3 A J ohn Dal quest .
4 Q Because of t he magnet s?
5 A Yeah. I di d not know t hat t hey coul d wi pe out a har d dr i ve.
6 Q Okay. So j ust t o cl ar i f y, do you have - - as you si t her e now,
7 any r ecol l ect i on of Paul Mur phy sayi ng anyt hi ng about hi s har d
8 dr i ve i n t hat cl ass?
9 A I do not .
10 Q As you si t her e now, do you have a r ecol l ect i on of hi mnot
11 gi vi ng hi s l apt op t o J ohn Dal quest ?
12 A I don' t r emember hi msayi ng, I ' mnot goi ng t o gi ve i t t o you.
13 Q Okay. What was t he gener al t one of t he cl ass? Was i t - -
14 A For me? For ever ybody?
15 Q For ever ybody. Was i t f ai r l y l i ght , peopl e j oki ng ar ound or
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17 A I t ' s possi bl e. I t ' s possi bl e t hat t hey wer e j oki ng ar ound.
18 I ' mnot one t hat i s out goi ng, so I ' mki nd of t o mysel f . I was
19 al r eady f r ust r at ed t hat I wasn' t get t i ng t hi s. So I di dn' t
20 r eal l y have t i me t o, I guess, t ur n my chai r and si t t her e and
21 pay at t ent i on t o what t hey wer e sayi ng.
22 Q Okay. Do you r ecal l anybody - - do you r ecal l any j oki ng at al l
23 as f ar as l i ke peopl e - -
24 A I coul d hear peopl e, l i ke, j ust ki nd of ha ha ha ki nd of st uf f
25 i n t he backgr ound, but I don' t know whose voi ce i t was.
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1 MR. BUTLER: I don' t have anyt hi ng el se.
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3 EXAMI NATI ON OF J AYSON LOREEN BY MR. KAMERRER
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6 Q Had you wor ked on t he same shi f t wi t h Paul Mur phy?
7 A I have.
8 Q Okay. Had you hear d about hi s conspi r acy t heor i es and hi s
9 pol i t i cal vi ews f r omhi m?
10 A Mm- hm.
11 Q And t hat ' s a yes?
12 A Yes.
13 Q Okay. So di d you have di scussi ons about t hi ngs t hat he t hought
14 wer e conspi r aci es out t her e i n t he wor l d?
15 A I never had di scussi ons wi t h hi m. I ' ve hear d hi mdi scussi ng
16 wi t h peopl e.
17 Q Okay. What di d you t hi nk about t he sensi bi l i t y of t hose
18 opi ni ons?
19 A They' r e hi s opi ni ons, so I ki nd of wal ked away and l et t hem
20 di scuss what t hey wer e goi ng t o t al k about .
21 Q Why di d you wal k away?
22 A I di dn' t want t o hear i t .
23 Q You di dn' t want t o hear i t ?
24 A ( Wi t ness I ndi cat i ng) .
25 Q Di d you t hi nk t hat t hey wer e bi zar r e?
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1 A Sl i ght l y.
2 Q What wer e t he t hi ngs t hat you hear d Mur phy t al ki ng about bef or e
3 you wal ked away?
4 A Wel l , t hi s was when I was i n t he j ai l . But i t was, I guess,
5 t he communi st count r y, ki nd of l i ke t he Sovi et Uni on, t hat we
6 wer e goi ng t o end up l i ke.
7 Q That ' s what he was sayi ng about t he Uni t ed St at es?
8 A ( Wi t ness I ndi cat i ng) .
9 Q I s t hat a yes?
10 A Yes.
11 Q You hear d t hi s when you wer e st i l l wor ki ng i n t he j ai l ?
12 A Cor r ect .
13 Q So he woul d come t o t he j ai l ?
14 A He woul d - - as he was booki ng somebody, yeah.
15 Q Okay. For var i ous - -
16 A I t wasn' t t hat he woul d j ust r andoml y show up. He woul d book
17 somebody i n and t hen Ser geant Kl ei n woul d ki nd of j ust wal k up
18 and t hey woul d st ar t shop t al ki ng. He st ar t ed di scussi ng about
19 t he cur r ent pol i t i cs and who was goi ng t o get vot ed pr esi dent .
20 And I ' m, l i ke, I r eal l y don' t car e and he wal ked away.
21 Q So Ser geant Kl ei n woul d engage hi mi n conver sat i on about
22 pol i t i cs?
23 A Yeah.
24 Q And Mur phy woul d say what ?
25 A He woul d gi ve hi s opi ni on about i t .
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1 Q Okay. And hi s opi ni ons wer e t hat t he Uni t ed St at es was headed
2 t owar ds bei ng a communi st count r y?
3 A I don' t know i f i t was communi st , but i t was ki nd of t hat our
4 f r eedomwas goi ng t o get t aken away.
5 Q Okay. How about when you wer e act ual l y i n t he pat r ol di vi si on
6 and wor ki ng wi t h Mur phy? Di d you hear si mi l ar t hi ngs?
7 A No.
8 Q Okay. Di d you ever go t o Mur phy' s onl i ne post i ng pages, ei t her
9 Facebook or somet hi ng el se, and see what he was sayi ng?
10 A I t ' s been a whi l e si nce I have been t o - -
11 Q But you di d do t hat on some occasi ons?
12 A I di d.
13 Q What di d you see when you l ooked at t hose post i ngs?
14 A J ust he' s - - a l ot of post s of di f f er ent t hi ngs, di f f er ent
15 ar t i cl es. I j ust di dn' t have t i me t o r ead t hem. I was j ust
16 l ooki ng at t hem.
17 Q Di d you f or many opi ni ons about whet her t hose post i ngs wer e
18 bi zar r e or conspi r at or i al ?
19 A No. I di dn' t f or many opi ni on.
20 Q Okay. Di d you agr ee wi t h t he opi ni ons t hat wer e post ed by Mr .
21 Mur phy?
22 A I r eal l y di dn' t car e, so I di dn' t f or many opi ni on or agr ee
23 wi t h any of t hem.
24 MR. KAMERRER: Al l r i ght . That ' s al l of t he quest i ons
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4 Q J ust by way of br i ef f ol l ow- up. The whol e communi st st uf f and
5 Ser geant Kl ei n?
6 A I don' t know i f t hat was - - i f t hey wer e j ust j oki ng or what
7 t he deal was.
8 Q Ri ght . But what you wer e r ef er r i ng wi t h t hat , was t hat f ai r l y
9 si mi l ar t o t he t ea par t y r het or i c t hat we hear on Fox News and
10 st uf f l i ke t hat t oday?
11 A I don' t wat ch Fox News, so I don' t know i f i t ' s t he same as t he
12 t ea par t y. I don' t know.
13 Q Good f or you.
14 A Li ke, I ' mnot r eal l y much of a pol i t i cs ki nd of guy.
15 Q Okay. And Kl ei n was i nvol ved i n t hat di scussi on t oo? I t
16 wasn' t j ust Paul bei ng - -
17 A Oh yeah. I t was - - t hey wer e back and f or t h.
18 Q Di d you ever have any concer n based on what you per cei ved t o be
19 Paul ' s pol i t i cal or r el i gi ous bel i ef s af f ect i ng hi s j ob
20 per f or mance when you had j ob cont act wi t h hi m?
21 A No.
22 Q How about Ser geant Kl ei n? He had pol i t i cal vi ews. Di d you see
23 t hose pol i t i cal vi ews i mpact hi s j ob per f or mance?
24 A No.
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1 C E R T I F I C A T E
2 STATE OF WASHI NGTON )
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3 COUNTY OF I SLAND )
4 I , Kr i st en M. Uhl i g, t he under si gned CCR i n and f or t he St at e
of Washi ngt on, do her eby cer t i f y:
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That t he annexed and f or egoi ng deposi t i on of t he wi t ness
6 named her ei n was t aken st enogr aphi cal l y bef or e me and t r anscr i bed
by me;
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I f ur t her cer t i f y t hat t he wi t ness exami ned, r ead, and si gned
8 t he deposi t i on af t er t he same was t r anscr i bed, unl ess i ndi cat ed i n
t he r ecor d t hat t he par t i es and t he wi t ness wai ve t he si gnat ur e;
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I f ur t her cer t i f y t hat al l of t he obj ect i ons made at t he t i me
10 of sai d exami nat i on t o my qual i f i cat i ons or t he manner of t aki ng
t he deposi t i on, or t o t he conduct of any par t y, have been not ed by
11 me upon sai d deposi t i on;
12 I f ur t her cer t i f y t hat I amnot a r el at i ve or empl oyee or
at t or ney or counsel of any of t he par t i es t o sai d act i on or
13 counsel , and t hat I amnot f i nanci al l y i nt er est ed i n t he sai d
act i on or t he out come t her eof ;
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I f ur t her cer t i f y t hat t he deposi t i on, as t r anscr i bed, i s a
15 f ul l , t r ue, and accur at e t r anscr i pt of t he t est i mony, i ncl udi ng al l
quest i ons and answer s, and al l obj ect i ons, mot i ons and except i ons
16 of counsel made and t aken at t he t i me of t he f or egoi ng exami nat i on;
17 I f ur t her cer t i f y t hat I amseal i ng t he deposi t i on i n an
envel ope wi t h t he t i t l e t o t he above cause t her eon and mar ked
18 " Deposi t i on Upon Or al Exami nat i on" of sai d wi t ness and pr ompt l y
causi ng t he same t o be del i ver ed or f or war ded t o Counsel f or t he
19 Opposi ng Par t y;
20 I N WI TNESS THEREOF, I have her eunt o set my hand and af f i xed
my of f i ci al seal t hi s ___ day of ____________, 2014.
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23 Kr i st en M. Uhl i g, #1934
Cer t i f i ed Cour t Repor t er ,
24 Resi di ng i n Cl i nt on, Washi ngt on.
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