Question 8: Differences between KP and Four Step Method

I have read your comments that 4 step theory is different from KP and in predictions it
offers different results . Do u have any examples where KP has come out well and for
the same chart as per 4 step the results are different . In my experience 4 step theory hits
the bulls eye . Hence the clarifications .Pls give max examples
Answer 8: (ourtesy of KP!"#ine $ctober %&'()
Differences between KP and Four Step Method (ourtesy of *strovision +uly %&&,
issue- .evised and /pdated)
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KP FOUR STP MT!OD "
' #asis
0ased on a long term research of 1uru2i
K3K in both Indian and 4estern
astrology
#asis
0ased on K.5. 3ubramaniam6s 3ublord
3pea7s!'- %- ( articles
% Si$nification b% a P&anet
')Planet is the source- constellation
indicates nature of the results and the
3/0 is deciding factor whether the
matter is favorable or not
%) K.5. 3ubramaniam considers the sub
lord as a decider and its star lord for its
signification. (3ublord 3pea7s 89- last
article- in K P : *strology ';;,- p 69,
reprinted in SUBLORD SPEAKS
part 3, p 141)
Si$nification b% a P&anet
') * planet signifies the event through 4
steps< i)Planet itself- ii) 3tar lord of the
planet- iii) 3ub lord of the planet- iv) 3tar
lord of this sub lord- and (rd : 4th steps
are more important.
%) =he 4th step is the alleged extension.
() =he 3/0 lord in (rd step is also a
significator not a decider li7e in KP.
( #asic Si$nificators
') *ll significators are considered in the
order of strength- grade *-0--D : "
with the astrologer6s own 2udgment
based on his experience ta7ing into
account of sub lords.
%) 3ignification at the planet- star and
sub levels are simultaneously considered
by ... 0hatt- K.5. 3ubramaniam
(3ublord 3pea7s)- /mang =ane2a- Kana7
0osmia etc.
() * planet having no planet in its star is
considered as a strong significator of the
houses for whose cusps the planet is a
sub lord. (KP .eader III p (&;- KP :
*strology- ';;' +uly p ' : >ovember p
,- P3 .ao- ?i7ari .amamurthi- Kuppu
#asic Si$nificators
') $nly the primary or strong
significators are considered.
%) =he house occupied by a planet with
no planet in its star or a planet in its own
star (KP grade 0 significator) and the
houses owned by the planet when they
are empty (KP grade D significators) are
4 step primary significators (upgraded
KP grade * significators from 0 : D).
() =he house occupied by a planet acting
as the star lord of another planet- i.e. a
planet in the step % or 4 (KP grade *
significator) and the houses owned by
the planet when they are empty (KP
grade significators) are 4 step primary
significators (KP grade * : upgraded
1anapathi- .. 5u7unda .a2an- Kana7
0osmia etc
4) =he sub lord is a decider in 2udging
whether a planet or cusp or significator
or dasa lord is favorable or not.
KP grade * significators from ).
4) =he signification of a planet in 'st and
(rd step (sub lord) having another planet
in its star is not considered- i.e. useless.
4 P&anet !a'in$ (o P&anet in its Stars )
P&anet in its Own Star
=hey are not the same and only a planet
having no planet in its star- but not a
planet in its own star- is considered as a
strong significator of the houses for
whose cusps the planet is a sub lord.
P&anet !a'in$ (o P&anet in its Stars )
P&anet in its Own Star
=hey are the same as the house occupied
by a planet with no planet in its star or a
planet in its own star is a primary
significator.
@ Rahu*Ketu Si$nificators
') 4hether .ahuAKetu is a planet or star
lord or sub lord- the followings e been
found ta7en in KP .eaders depending on
relevance to the event under
consideration regardless of their
seBuence of order (C.ahuAKetu .ules in
KPD -KP"!Eine- 5ay %&&F issue)<
i) House occupied by .ahuAKetu-
ii) Planet in con2un. with .ahuAKetu-
iii) Planet in aspect to .ahuAKetu and
iv) 3tar lord of .ahuAKetu-
v) 3ign lord of rasi sign occupied by
.ahuAKetu.
%) on2unction in the same rasi sign and
Hindu aspect without orb are used.
() >o planet- including .ahuA7etu- is
wholly benefic or malefic depending on
the signification at ( levels of planet- star
and sub by occupation and lordship.
Rahu*Ketu Si$nificators
') =he same rules of primary
significators in point %.%. apply to
.ahuAKetu.
%) $nly if .ahuAKetu is itself the primary
significator- then the house occupied- the
planets in con2unction or aspecting
within the orb of (G %&H (extendable to @G
esp. for fast moving planets- if needed)-
its star lord and sign lord also will
become the primary significators.
() 4hen .ahuAKetu is the star lord of
another planet- i.e. it is in the step % or 4-
the house occupied and the houses
owned by its star lord are considered.
4) .ahu is a blemish planet- which
creates problems and does not give the
results effectively to the native when it is
in the D0*- unless .ahu is a strong
significator of the improving houses in
all 4 steps.
I P&anet +&ose to (e,t +usp
1uru2i K3K has ta7en the result of the
>ext house $>8J by closeness to the
next cusp. (Krishnamurti Padhdhati- ?ol.
%- 3agar Publications- ';II- p %,'- @
th

paraK KP .eader I?- page '&, (rd para)
P&anet +&ose to (e,t +usp
* planet is supposed to be a significator
of both the previous house in which that
planet is posited and the next house to
whose cusp the planet is very close. In
this case- the result of the next house
may not be effective as the previous
house is detrimental or ?yaya or ?rava
or negative to the matters of next house.
(KP .eader III- KP .eader I?-
handra7ant .. 0hatt< >a7shatra
hintamani).
F KP -rade to -rade A Si$nificators KP -rade to -rade A Si$nificators
') =hey are considered as wea7
significator after grade *-0- : D and
used as a last resort.
%) on2unction in the same rasi sign and
Hindu aspect are considered without
using orb.
() 1rade " significators are planets
which are con2. and aspected CbyD
significators *-0--D but not planets
CaspectingD *-0--D.
4) >o planet is wholly benefic or malefic
depending on its signification at planet-
star and sub levels by occupation and
lordship.
@) .ahuAKetu does not aspect any planet
or house since it is not a planet having
physical body but it is only a sensitive
intersecting point in the pathway of 3un
and 5oon.
') If a planet is in con2unction with a
cusp within the prescribed orb- behind or
ahead the cusp- the planet automatically
becomes a primary (KP grade *)
significator of this cusp in any of 4 steps.
%) $nly if the original planet itself is a
primary significator- i) if a planet is
con2oined with another planet within the
prescribed orb- the planet is a primary
significator of another planet- ii) if a
planet aspects on the cusps within the
prescribed orb- the planet becomes a
primary significator of these houses
whose cusps are aspectedK iii) if a planet
has the Hindu aspect (throwing or
receiving) with another planet within the
prescribed orb- the planet is a primary
significator of another planet.
() Ketu6s Fth aspect on the cusp is ta7en.
4) * well 7nown practitioner does not
use the Fth aspect of planets.
, Ru&in$ P&anets
') =he .Ps in order of preference are<
i) 8agna6s star lord
ii) 8agna6s sign lord
iii) 5oon6s star lord
iv) 5oon6s sign lord
v) Day lord-
%) 5oon6s sub lord and 8agna6s sub lord
are added by some KP followers.
() If .ahuAKetu is in con2. or aspect with
the .PK or if it occupies the sign owned
by the .P- .ahuAKetu should be included
as the .P.
4) =he .P in the star or sub of retrograde
planet should be omitted.
Ru&in$ P&anets
') =he .Ps are in the order of< i) 8agna
lord- ii) 5oon6s star lord- iii) 5oon6s
sign lord- and iv) Day lord only.
%) .ahuAKetu is considered as .P- only if
it directly appears in the .Ps.
() =he alleged advancement of 4 step is
fixing the D0* without using the .Ps.
4) 0ut .Ps are used to confirm or correct
the sub lord of the cusp under 2udgment.
0ut it is not to recast the horoscope again
and to correct only the reBuired sub lord
because when one 2udges the other
matter of the same native then again one
will confirm the related cuspal sub lord.
; Retro$ression
') It does not matter in the natal chart
analysis but it does not give results in
Horary- if it comes as starAsub lords to
the significator.
%) * convincing proof is still needed for
a claim that retrogression has no effect in
Horary.
Retro$ression
') .etrogression is not wor7ing in the
Horary as well as natal prediction.
%) 0ut retrogression is used in chec7ing
the transits of D0* lords- which should
not be in the concerned star and sub of
retrograde planets for the materiali#ation
of an event.
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Uranus. (eptune ) P&uto
Pluto- no more a planet since %&&I- now
Uranus. (eptune ) P&uto
Pluto gives adverse results. >egative
called Plutoid- was not even mentioned
in KP .eaders. >o planet is wholly
benefic or malefic.
effect of >eptune is not yet sure on the
basis of insufficient cases.
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!ouse -roupin$
5ostly (- rarely 4 houses are
grouped for an event to happen.
!ouse -roupin$
5ore houses are added- for marriage
%-F-'' : @-,K for foreign (-;-'% : @-F
perhaps in order to signify by the strong
or primary significators only.
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More than one Marria$e
If Fth cusp sub lord is connected to
duality : %nd cusp sub lord signifies Fth
More than one Marria$e
If the sub lords of Ith cusp : Fth cusp
are the same.
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+annot Own a !ouse in /ife
1uru2i K3K6s 4th cusp sub lord is .ahu.
(*strosecrets : KP Part II- p %@%)
+annot Own a !ouse in /ife
If 4th cusp sub lord is .ahu- which is
allegedly said by 1uru2i K3K.
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4
+hi&d Se,
1uru2i K3K- CI never had any experience
in pin!pointing the sex (of child) before
birth...D (KP .eader I? p %(I last para)
+hi&d Se,
If the 4th step star lord of child cusp
(starting from @th for mother and ''th
for father) sub lord is in odd sign- male
child is indicatedK if in even sign- female.
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Pro0ise of 'ent
') It is promised- if the sub lord of cusp
under 2udgment is a significator of any of
the reBuired houses (%- F- '' for
marriage) without any other strong
negative signification.
%) It is not promised- if the cusp sub lord
does not signify any of the reBuired
houses or there is a strong negative
signification.
.
Pro0ise of 'ent
') It is promised- if the sub lord of
concerned cusp under 2udgment is a
primary significator of any of the
reBuired houses (%- F- '' : @- , for
marriage) in any of 4 steps unless there
are only the primary significators of
totally negative houses ('- I- '&- '%) in
the steps ( and 4.
%) It is not promised- only if the primary
significators of totally negative houses
appear in the steps ( : 4.
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(e$ati'e !ouse
=he previous house is detrimental or
?yaya or negative to the matters of next
house. (KP .eader III : I?- 0hatt6s
>a7shatra hintamani).
(e$ati'e !ouse
=he 'st house is not a negative house for
%nd- but a primary house to get moneyK
'&th is not a negative house to ''th but it
is not applicable in marriage matters.
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+o0puteri1ed Si$nificators
1rade *-0- : D are not final and to be
2udged by the concerned subs etc.
+o0puteri1ed Si$nificators
=hey were supposed to be final as
supported by KP*stro (.&- *stro!Kundli
etc. but no more due to changing rules.
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,
Fi,in$ D#AS
') ( methods of selecting fruitful
significators< i) by using .PsK ii)
selecting the significators which are in
the stars of the cusp sub lord of the
concerned housesK iii) selecting the
Fi,in$ D#AS
') =he event will fructify only when the
D0* lords are 2ointly the primary
significators of all the reBuired houses (%-
F- '' for marriage)- signifying at least
one different house each by D0*.
significators whose sub lords are one of
the significators.
%) 3ignificators which signify '%th to the
reBuired houses should be re2ected. =he
houses I-,-'% to the concerned house are
unfavorable to this house.
() * planet which appears many times
among signficatorsA.Ps or connected to
various significators should be chosen.
%) "vents are found happen without the
complete D0* chain and so 3oo7shma is
included to ma7e a chain complete
chain in D0*3. It is also said to use both
chains without a prior clue which chain
will be complete in reality. 3ome hints
are available how to choose *ntara but
3oo7shma is decided on case by case
basis only.
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Transit +hec2
*n event generally happens during the
2oint period of the significators when the
transit agrees i.e. at the time while 3un-
5oon and 2oint D0*3 lords are found to
be transiting in the star or sub of the
same 2oint D0*3 lords.
Transit +hec2
') =he event will fructify- only if the star
lord for fast moving planets and sub lord
for slow moving planets- in which the
D0* lords are transiting- are the primary
significators of the reBuired houses in the
first % steps- neglecting negative houses.
%) =he event will not happen during the
period while there are only the primary
significators of the totally negative
houses in the first % steps or while the
said star lord or sub lord is retrograde.
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Si$nificators of a&0ost A&& !ouses
( selection methods and other means
mentioned in item '@ can be used.
Si$nificators of a&0ost A&& !ouses
It is stuc7 and the same with significators
of a very few houses only.
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stab&ished Ru&es
.ules are established in the six KP
.eaders based on 1uru2i K3K6s long
term research.
stab&ished Ru&es
.ules are not yet consistently and clearly
established- and still have been modified
on the basis on!going experimental
research li7e Pluto6s negative effect
against existing rules- no more reliability
of 34 supported significators- no written
reference boo7 that contain all essential
basic rules.
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#otto0 /ine
3ince the techniBues and steps are not
the same- the results can be different.
#otto0 /ine
3ince the techniBues and steps are not the
same- the results can be different
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