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JerkinMcGroin an hour ago
I'm playing it and am having a great time. Albeit, I'm only at lvl 11.

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BurgerwithFries1 an hour ago
IGN is afraid to post a review.

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PeacefulOne an hour ago > BurgerwithFries1
They want their money,got to launch review at the appropriate time.

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showjo an hour ago > BurgerwithFries1
I don't think you understand things very well.

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Dan Stapleton an hour ago MOD > BurgerwithFries1
Uh... huh. We're afraid to post a review, so instead we've posted more review content for this game than we've done for any game, ever. Makes sense!

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Jakoknox an hour ago > Dan Stapleton
IGN isn't afraid they are greedy. There is no way this game has this much content. They made so many articles and we have just clicked and
commented away while they reaped the rewards. Well good job guys. Maybe next time a 6 hour story game will take you three days to review.
Lord help us on the next Fallout, or Elderscrolls. Prob be a month before we get a review on one of them games....

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Dan Stapleton an hour ago MOD > Jakoknox
If people weren't clicking on Destiny stories, we wouldn't do Destiny stories. Is it greed to give people more of the thing they've showed us
they want?
http://www.ign.com/articles/20...

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Jakoknox an hour ago > Dan Stapleton
No that is capitalism. They are doing something to further business. But, to make us think that someone at the company can't review this
game in what 5 days time is just dumb. Is it not that big of a game so IGN enjoy your honey hole while it last. What was the price tag of
your integrity? And no, I'm not saying you were paid for a review, I'm saying you are not posting a review on purpose instead posting these
reviews in progress in lieu of the review you know is done already.

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Dan Stapleton 21 minutes ago MOD > Jakoknox
We *are* running a business in a capitalist economy, are we not?
For like the 50th time: we spend roughly a week with nearly every major game we review. To force out a review of Destiny in just a couple
of days would not be treating it equally. We have cranked out a mountain of review content around it, though, so it seems absurd to me to
claim that we're somehow holding back.

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Jakoknox 16 minutes ago > Dan Stapleton
Well you keep telling us that and we'll keep not believing.

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PCftw2014 16 minutes ago > Dan Stapleton
Obviously because the vast majority of people do not read reviews, come on be honest now. The score fills our desire to be quickly
satisfied on the quality of a game. Not for me, but for many (generalizing much). Sorry to tell you man, but a lot of people are just not
reading all that content.

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PCftw2014 an hour ago > Dan Stapleton
He is implying a review score. There is a clear unwillingness of IGN to not provide an honest score for a game they over hyped.

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33LarryBird33 an hour ago >
how can they review this game when something like raids aren't even available?

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PCftw2014 an hour ago > 33LarryBird33
They do it for virtually every other game before new content is released, you tell me.

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PeacefulOne an hour ago > 33LarryBird33
The game was launched. No features = less points on review.

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33LarryBird33 an hour ago > PeacefulOne
lol
i guess WoW should have gotten a bad review too

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PCftw2014 an hour ago > 33LarryBird33
IGN chooses to give games reviews before all their patches and content are out. However, it seems they like to handpick games they hold
back their reviews on.

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PeacefulOne an hour ago > 33LarryBird33
WoW was purely reviewed on the content availabe at launch,not because of the promisse of future Xpacs. So you're wrong.
WoW was just much better at launch than Destiny.

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showjo an hour ago >
double negatives are fun.

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Dan Stapleton an hour ago MOD >
You are correct: we are unwilling to not provide an honest score. I'm glad we can agree!

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STEWlEGRIFFIN an hour ago > Dan Stapleton
Pssh - it totally makes sense. IGN should block the comments section for a while like PewDiePie did on his YouTube channel. The
difference is, it's permanent. Try to block the comments section for a while until the community grows smarter.

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Can we also agree that IGN may have created a wave of false purchases that this game would be more than it was? There are people
who are 60 dollars short today because IGN chose to give this mediocre game far more coverage than it deserves. Now that the game is
out, they are refusing to provide a score for the game, leading to more misinformed purchases. Why not give Star Citizen 1/2 the
coverage of this game? How is it that a game so many find subjectively boring receiving so much review content?

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what a stupid comment. you are really that manipulated by a website? again. you don't understand IGN's business model. They don't just
post random content, or things editors are personally interested in. If a game that involved wiping a virtual ass was really popular and got a
lot of people interested in it, IGN would probably provide a lot of coverage on it. You are absolutely clueless.

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STEWlEGRIFFIN an hour ago > showjo
blshdshddoiuhgiob

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PCftw2014 an hour ago > showjo
No am not manipulated by websites. I played the Destiny Alpha and Beta, and found both to be incredibly boring. I did not notice IGN
reporting on that however. IGN seems to be milking for clicks than it does for informative journalism.

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Kingjulian82 an hour ago >
IGN had TONS of pieces on their impressions of the beta...

I don't recall us making any promises for what Destiny would be. We saw a huge demand for information on Bungie's next game, so we
went out and got that information for you. We told you what Bungie said it would be, and we told you what we thought about it based on
what Bungie said. That's what we do.
Star Citizen will get much more coverage when it's closer to being a real thing. Right now it's way too rough to really do anything with it.
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Star Citizen will get much more coverage when it's closer to being a real thing. Right now it's way too rough to really do anything with it.

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So this website is about responding to demand now? If there is not as much to say about a game as it deserves, you should tell your
readers that and give games that deserve coverage. It seems like IGN is participating in sensational journalism rather than honest
journalism. This reminds me of an incident when Nancy Pelosi told a group of reporters that she would not talk about the Anthony Weiner
scandal and they would instead talk about issues that mattered (economy, etc.). All the reporters left the press room.

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PeacefulOne an hour ago >
Sometimes IGN employees forget that,as one of the biggest gaming outlets they can effectively create demand.
Makes me wonder who is the genius who runs them.

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Dan Stapleton an hour ago MOD > PeacefulOne
We can, but only to a small extent. We definitely highlight some small games that we think are excellent - look at Nidhogg, for example.
We gave it a 9.0 and named it our January Game of the Month, even though not a ton of people were clicking on it. We can't turn
something into a blockbuster all buy ourselves - it doesn't work like that.

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HEY LOOK, here's a bit of anecdotal evidence that proves we are right!

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Dan Stapleton 26 minutes ago MOD >
How many would you like? The 9.0 we gave to Divinity: Original Sin? The 9.0 for Transistor? The 9.5 for Broken Age? The 9/2 for
Terraria? The 9.5 for Device 6? 9.5 for Steamworld Dig? 9.5 for Gone Home? 9.0 for Rogue Legacy? 9.1 for Kentucky Route Zero Act 2?
9.3 for The Swapper? I can go on if you want.

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You know there are literally probably thousands of games that have debuted since IGN came into existence? You should read my
argument. I was not complaining about Destiny getting a too high of a review score, but on coverage. Scores =/= coverage. Read what I
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PeacefulOne an hour ago > Dan Stapleton
Helping big AAA blockbusters to sell even more isnt hard.

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God you have the worst logic. Destiny was a hugely anticipated game. Period. IGN knew there was a lot of interest in it, so they covered it
a lot for all of those people that are interested in it. This really, REALLY isn't that hard to understand...

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Look at the games we've reviewed and previewed lately. Are they exclusively the biggest game out there? No, they are not. There is a
good mix of blockbusters and indie stuff that we think looks cool. I don't understand what you're complaining about.

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"We saw a huge demand for information on Bungie's next game, so we went out and got that information for you."
You just said that you made journalistic decisions on demand, which is detrimental to honestly informing the public. You know exactly
what I am talking about.

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I don't even know what to say to that. Our readers told us they wanted to hear about Destiny, so we told them about Destiny. The idea that
giving people what they want is somehow wrong is completely baffling to me. If you think that's not okay, then yeah, you should probably
find another site to go to where they don't talk about the things their readers are interested in.

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First, I will find a different site.
Second, there is nothing wrong with giving people what they want, however it has to be transparent. IGN did not cover possible problems
in the Alpha/ Beta versions of the game, and did not talk about the possibility of it being repetitive and boring. People wanted to hear that
Destiny was great, and that is what IGN told them, before the game even released. IGN created a false demand for a game by giving
people what they wanted to hear.

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How are we supposed to determine if something's going to be repetitive when we haven't played it very long? Things don't get repetitive
until you've played them a bunch. I mean, we could put a "This game might be repetitive and boring when you play it longer" warning on
every single game we play briefly, but that seems a bit silly. All we can do is say what we played and what we think of it so far.

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Actually, if you played the beta and made a judgment from there, you would find the game becomes repetitive quickly, as almost all the
missions were just, defend this point, or kill this many of X in this area. That does not speak for the whole game, but it raises a red flag
that IGN chose to ignore.
Anyway, we are getting nowhere in this argument because it sees we just fundamentally disagree (and we have to stop sometime before
more blood is spilt lol). I will say that it is nice to see an IGN writer/editor (I think you are more than just a mod) in a direct discussion with
the public.

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I am IGN's Reviews Editor.

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I saw/read quite a bit of IGN content on the beta and their impressions of it... there were dedicated videos for it and everything. Sheesh
you're reaching so far.

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LightEcoJak an hour ago MOD >
IGN doesn't "invent" demand. They give their impressions based on what they see and people make their assumptions.

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STEWlEGRIFFIN an hour ago > LightEcoJak
flying fish crab avatar

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LightEcoJak an hour ago MOD > STEWlEGRIFFIN
It's Jak in Jak 3 with Light eco powers.

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STEWlEGRIFFIN an hour ago > LightEcoJak
nice avatar

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PCftw2014 an hour ago > LightEcoJak
"We saw a huge demand for information on Bungie's next game, so we went out and got that information for you."
Well it seems an IGN writer/editor Dan Stapleton admitted to writing articles based on popularity rather than potential or quality, not just on
their impressions. It seems he admitted IGN fed people what they wanted for clicks.

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This is perhaps the most absurd thing I've seen anyone complain about. You win a gold star!

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Complaining about creating a false demand in a market place because of popularity is absurd? Please continue dismissing me with no
arguments, it just proves me more right.

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We didn't create the demand. We reacted to it.

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PeacefulOne 19 minutes ago > Dan Stapleton
Vita has more demand than any pc game,you heard it here first.

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And caused it to grow in reacting to it, essentially creating more demand.

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PeacefulOne 17 minutes ago >
Vita has more demand than any pc game,you heard it here first!
Ign,so amazing

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BAN PEOPLE!!!!

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You're the coolest mod I saw since ever.

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It's a gaming site. People want that kind of information on a game that's as huge as Destiny. This isn't journalism on politics or world
events, its entertainment, and entertainment thrives on demand. If you can't understand that, I don't know what your deal is.

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PCftw2014 an hour ago > Kingjulian82
Of course it is less important, but regardless the same effect comes into account.

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What effect is that? Don't tell me it's that people were forced to waste $60 and make uninformed purchases because of IGN like you
stated above.

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LightEcoJak an hour ago MOD >
It's Bungie's first big shooter after Halo. What FPS fan wouldn't be excited when it was first announced?

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Yeah, because the sheep need a number score from IGN to know what to do with their money. Crazy how IGN just forces people to
spend money, huh? Can't believe they would cover THE MOST ANTICIPATED GAME OF THE YEAR so much. Why would they do
that?!?!

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PeacefulOne an hour ago > Kingjulian82
I wonder why would Apple/Samsung any other company have huge marketing departments. Or why half of consoles AAA budget goes to
marketing.
Oh wait,i do know. Let me know when you get it.

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Kingjulian82 an hour ago > PeacefulOne
Stop trying so hard, man.

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Says the guy without a single clue how real world works.

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Dang, how did you know?!?! It's almost like you've only seen a handful of comments I've posted on the internet and you know everything
about me!!! Tell me your secret O.O

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You're the guy that says marketing isnt relevant or sells products.
That says it all.

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Whoooaaaa when did I say that? I criticized people for having the mindset that they NEED a score from a site like IGN in order to buy a
game. That's something entirely different.

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People use numeric values to quantify things. IGN did a lot of coverage and marketing on Destiny. They have no valid excuse to be
delaying the game score,other than avoid the average score that will make some people dont buy the game. Got it?

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But plenty of other sites haven't reviewed the game yet. IGN laid out this review schedule over a week ago... I hope you realize that...

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And who said IGN was the only to blame on that department?

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Kingjulian82 44 minutes ago > PeacefulOne
No one, but it's not uncommon for sites to take while to review games like this. Polygon and Gamespot's reviews only went up a couple
days ago.

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PeacefulOne 42 minutes ago > Kingjulian82
A game like this had people maxed out on the 1s day. Plenty of missing end game features,so less to review (and a weaker score to
give). I'll keep my opinion.

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PeacefulOne an hour ago >
To be honest,IGN wasnt chosed. They were paid for it.

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showjo an hour ago > PeacefulOne
Oh boy.

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Do you just enjoy going around making up lies about people and talking about them as if there's any shred of factual evidence to support
them? Isn't that kind of a screwed up thing to do?

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What,you're telling me the ads and coverage IGN did was for free (it wasnt,publicity is always paid)? Or are you telling me that most AAA
games on IGN dont have diferent treatment/ reviews than small developer's games?

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Of course ads are paid for. That's what ads are. Coverage, however, is not. No publisher can pay to have their game covered by IGN -
we, the editors, pick what games we cover based on what we're interested in and what we see our readers are interested in.
Again, please stop spreading lies. It's really uncool.

"Of course ads are paid for. That's what ads are."
And ads sell bad products too,or didnt you know that?
" No publisher can pay to have their game covered by IGN - we, the
editors, pick what games we cover based on what we're interested in and
what we see our readers are interested in."
Since IGN failed in doing a proper coverage of every single PC famous pc game when compared to some smaller console games,i call
that bul****. Plenty of average/bad selling games were much more highlighted than incredible sucesses. The only difference? The
developer's name.
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If they are lies i wonder why didnt IG sued their previous fired employee that revealed how some reviews were paid. It would be so easy...if
it was a lie.

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Uh... what? Which famous PC game did we not cover now?
And what "previous fired employee that revealed how some of their reviews were paid" are you even talking about? There's never been
any such thing. Please provide a source for this allegation.

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You can always ignore the trolls and pissed off fanboys. But I've always felt that IGN have been sticking to the PS4 ever since it's release.
Is it related to Ads or publicity or is it just because that's their personal favorite?

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Kingjulian82 an hour ago > STEWlEGRIFFIN
Well, the install base is twice as big...

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Please,Infamous got x10 more coverage than the new Civ and yet its a tiny,insignificant franchise next to Sid Meyers Civs. This happens
on a regular basis.
http://www.p4rgaming.com/ex-ig...

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Dan Stapleton 30 minutes ago MOD > PeacefulOne
I'm a big fan of Civ BE myself. I wrote a preview of it at E3, we put up a preview last week, we're working on another one as we speak,
and I plan to review it personally. We're covering it quite a bit, because there are a lot of people into it and we think its cool. But the reality
is its audience is smaller than that of Infamous, especially with all the curiosity that surrounded it as one of the first big new-generation
games.
So, as for those articles you linked, here's something they both have in common: no names. Neither of them attributes those accusations
to any actual person. So what proof do you have that this isn't completely fabricated? That you aren't being manipulated and lied to?
Because, guess what? You're being lied to. There is no such former employee. There is no such score agreement.
Also, I'd encourage you to read the comment that Peer Schneider left on the Zelda Informer article, where he lays out where that quote
came from and how it's been horrendously distorted by that writer.

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PeacefulOne 25 minutes ago > Dan Stapleton
". But the reality is its audience is smaller than that of Infamous,
especially with all the curiosity that surrounded it as one of the first
big new-generation games."
http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb...
Civ 5 physical copies outsold previous Infamous installements. Tell me more about how Infamous audience is bigger,please.
Also,if Zelda Informer or the source dont changed anything,apologized or admited they are wrong,i can only see a IGN editor trying to
protect his face,nothing more.

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PCftw2014 24 minutes ago > PeacefulOne
I think he knows the honest answer, but cannot admit it because he is protecting the state of his job.

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showjo an hour ago > PeacefulOne
yawn... if a game is popular and a lot of people are interested in it. IGN will provide coverage for it. Market research dictates what they
cover. They don't just randomly throw a bunch of content up and see what sticks.

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PCftw2014 an hour ago > BurgerwithFries1
Yup, just look at the top comment they handpicked, implying a review would be bad for the game. They hyped a game up as great, and it turns out to be
a boring repetitive chore to play. They just won't admit they are wrong.

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That's an interesting interpretation of that comment. I picked it because it points out the no-win situation Destiny reviewers are in. There's no
score that's going to make everybody happy.

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There is one score that is right. THe score that the game deserves. Journalists must give the game that score, regardless of what people
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You don't really believe that there's one score that's "right" for any game, do you?

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I don not, and that is a good point. However with regards to properly inform the public (lets be honest, the vast majority of people do not
read reviews) they are necessary. IGN must rate this game as it does all of the games it reviews. BTW, everything any journalist says is
in a no win situiation, because someone is bound to disagree.

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I promise you, we're rating this game just like we rate everything else. The only reason it wasn't reviewed within the first couple of days is
that we didn't get to play it beforehand.

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I believe that applies to many games though, and this has not gotten a review in like a week...

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Trolls_Go2Hell an hour ago > Dan Stapleton
That's pretty much what I gathered from it as well. Then again I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist and I know you guys are just doing
your job and I'm not going to assume your being underhanded or influenced without any actual proof.

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IGN posts content that people want to read/watch/listen to. That's their business model. It's laughable reading your comment.

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I-AM-KING-BIMPY an hour ago > showjo
no. they just go with whatever is popular by the overall media.

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showjo an hour ago > I-AM-KING-BIMPY
popularity = content that people want to read/watch/listen to. what are you on?

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I-AM-KING-BIMPY an hour ago > BurgerwithFries1
because they hyped it up like the best thing ever

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Jakoknox an hour ago > I-AM-KING-BIMPY
Not fear. Look at how many views, or comments IGN has gotten on this one game. Well done guys, got paid very well of this I assume on add
revenue or whatnot. Well played, got us good. By now we've all made up our own minds, we either own it, or know if we will or won't you have
played us like puppets, and we fell for it. (Slow clap)

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I-AM-KING-BIMPY an hour ago
i just borrowed Destiny from my friend. so far its basically a none funny borderlands but less epicness and creativeness...

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PCftw2014 an hour ago
Looks like Microsoft made a good choice in letting Bungie go.
http://i57.tinypic.com/2hs82vb...

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HappyGamer32 an hour ago >
Nah,Halo 4 was the worst.

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