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THE INDEPENDENT STUDENT NEWSPAPER OF THE UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO FACULTY OF LAW

35

of students said their

financial situation
(i.e. debt load) influenced
which employer they
chose to apply to

62

of students
who applied to
at least one job
got an offer

66

of students were
satisfied with
the outcome
of the process

Toronto Fall Recruitment

Special 2014
RELIEVED
I honestly found the process
much less cutthroat than
I was led to believe

Exhausted

Glad it is over and looking forward

to never having to go through it again
Like a weight has been
taken off my shoulders

Exhausted and dazed,

but could not be happier

Relieved that it's over and

couldn't be more excited
to have a job with the firm
I'm going to summer at...
I got what I wanted

Not sure where it all went wrong

Disappointed with TO approach. It felt

very artificial, rushed, manipulative
like terrible speed-dating. New York
just felt like... job interviews.

It's not the end of the world,

but it is rather dispiriting

Drained and slightly bitter

Excited to get started
Unhappy

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Job Distribution by Firm and School

FIRM
Aird & Berlis

TOTAL
STUDENTS

U OF T

OSGOODE

WESTERN

Baker & McKenzie

Bennett Jones LLP

13

Bereskin & Parr

32

13

Blake, Cassels & Graydon, LLP

Blaney McMurtry LLP
Borden Ladner Gervais LLP

7
20

Brauti Thorning Zibarras LLP

Cassels Brock & Blackwell LLP

12

Dale & Lessmann LLP

Davies Ward Phillips & Vineberg LLP

OTTAWA

WINDSOR

DALHOUSIE

OTHER

1
3

1
1

4
1

1
2

1
1

1
3

Davis LLP

Dentons LLP

12

Dickinson Wright LLP

Dimock Stratton LLP

Edward H. Royle and Associates

Fasken Martineau DuMoulin LLP

12

Filion Wakely Thorup Angeletti LLP

Fogler, Rubinoff LLP

Gardiner Roberts LLP

1
2

1
1

Goodmans LLP

14

Gowling Lafleur Henderson LLP

15

Hicks Morley Hamilton Stewart

Storie LLP

Gilbert's LLP

MCGILL

1
17

QUEENS

1
2

Legal Aid Ontario

21

Lenczner Slaght Royce Smith

Griffin LLP

McCarthy Tetrault LLP

23

McMillan LLP

12

Miller Thomson LLP

Ministry of The Attorney General

Crown Law OfficeCriminal
(Toronto, ON)

Ministry of the Attorney General

Family Responsibility Office

Norton Rose Fulbright Canada LLP

19

Osler, Hoskin & Harcourt LLP

25

1
2

Koskie Minsky LLP

1
3

1
1

1
1

Paliare Roland Rosenberg

Rothstein LLP

Reisler Franklin

Rueter Scargall Bennett LLP

Shearman & Sterling LLP

Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher

& Flom LLP

3*

Smart & Biggar

Stikeman Elliott LLP

24

Thorsteinssons LLPTax Lawyers

Torkin Manes, LLP

Torys LLP

19

WeirFoulds LLP

Wildeboer Dellelce LLP

399

97

83

48

46

35

27

26

15

21

1135
(Ontario)

194

306

176

173

390

174

228

170

7171

50.00%

27.12%

27.27%

26.59%

8.97%

15.52%

11.40%

8.82%

2.79%

TOTAL
Approx class size (based on 2013
OLSAS/LSAC first year registrants)
Approx % of Class with Toronto
Fall Recruitment jobs

1
1

1
1
1

1
4

2013 total

351

94

75

44

43

30

13

23

13

16

2012 total

379

89

89

43

43

39

18

28

14

16

2011 total

403

96

83

53

47

36

27

27

18

16

2010 total

444

104

99

55

43

44

25

44

15

15

* Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP hired one 2L student from U of T through its Toronto office. The other two
students were hired through the firm's New York office, and will be splitting their summers between the two locations.

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Seven Sisters Stats

39

30

of total students
hired are at Seven
Sisters (131)

of students hired
at Seven Sisters
are from U of T (46)

BLAKES
STIKES

13

40% OF HIRES

33% OF HIRES

Firms with biggest changes in summer students numbers

(keep in mind these firms will likely be participating in the 1L
recruit this year):

STUDENTS

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Blakes: 37 32 = 13.5% decrease

WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US

Big change needed

Look out for #1

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What Helps You Get an Offer?

We delved into the survey results to determine what
factors had a significant effect on the probability
of getting a job offer. Here we present to you factors
that seem to be significantly helpful, factors that
are significantly harmful, dubiously harmful, and then,
those factors that just plainly dont do anything.

76

of students with offers

had some kind
of contact with the
employer before the
recruitment process
even started

100

of JD/MBA
respondents
who applied
got a job (5/5)

SIGNIFICANT HELPFUL FACTORS

DUBIOUS HARMFUL FACTORS

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The evils the law society rules were intended to correct have simply morphed
into something more insidious. The process is dominated by nudges and code
words. The impossibility of clear expression and the tight time-frame of in-firms
make for a very harrowing and opaque process.

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Do grades
matter?*

80

of those with
4+ Hs participating
in the process
got an offer

75%

of those with
4+ HHs participating
in the process
got an offer

Indirect pressure to get a sense of my intentions (ex: consistently asking me at a

reception is there anything else you need to know to make your decision). As a
result I felt a lot of pressure to explicitly say they were my first choice, especially
after hearing horror stories about students not getting a job without saying those
magic words.

If someone tells you a firm really

cares about hearing "first choice", believe them. I heard this about one of
my top choices, but they seemed so
nice that I thought it wasn't necessary
if I expressed enough interest. Totally
not true. A friend was interviewing at
the same firm and she used a lot more
language very similar to first choice
and they called her mid-afternoon
Wednesday to confirm that they were
her first choice. She eventually caved
and told them they were her first choice, but I have no doubt that if she had not,
there would have been no offer. At the end of the day, they completely lead you
on and don't feel bad about it at all if you don't tell them they're your first choice.
For goodness' sake, tell a firm they're your #1they may still not give you an offer
but reading between the lines after speaking with the student directors, I know of
at least 2 firms who quite simply took me out of the running because I didn't tell
them I loved them.
Look out for number one. Tell every firm they are your top choice. I didn't and it
hurt me in the short term, but probably the right choice in the long term.

62%

of U of T students
who applied
to at least one OCI
job got an offer

49%

of those with
4+ Ps participating
in the process
got an offer

49

of those with
0 HHs participating
in the process
got an offer

43

of those with any

LPs participating
in the process
got an offer

*These are hard categories. I.e. Neither

the 4+ HHs category nor 4+ Hs would
include someone with 3 Hs and 3HHs.

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WHATS SOMETHING YOU DIDN'T WANT YOUR INTERVIEWERS TO KNOW ABOUT YOU

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What you had to say about the CDO

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Director, Career Development Office

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or very helpful in
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recruitment process

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The Process
The majority of students who were eligible for OCIs, but didnt participate,
had already obtained a job, either through the 1L recruitment process
(14 people), or through the NY recruit (9).
ONE PIECE OF ADVICE
FOR NEXT YEAR:
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NOVEMBER 26, 2014 | 9

Firm Behaviour
and LSUC Compliance

23

of U of T students
witnessed employers
breaking LSUC rules
IF YOU WITNESSED ANY LSUC VIOLATIONS, PLEASE DESCRIBE:
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where else they were interviewing
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told that students who did not say first choice

would not be considered for offers

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called me on Tuesday and basically said I would receive an offer. They didn't pressure me to accept
before the offer period, but did pressure me to respond quickly either way so they could find someone
else, which I thought was fair enough.

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DID YOU OBSERVEANY OTHER
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What Would You Change

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