by Bob Peterson

Many people ask, "I can do lucid dreaming, but I can't do OBE, so how do you convert a
lucid dream into an OBE?"
This topic recently came up in an email conversation I had with lucid dreaming expert
Robert Waggoner. My response to his question was the basis of this article.
The difference between Lucid Dreams and OBEs is complex. So complex that I did a longwinded nearly two-hour presentation last year for INACS (Institute for Neuroscience and
Consciousness Studies) in Austin, Texas. There are many things to consider, but the crux of
the matter is this:
We leave our bodies every night during sleep, but we are unaware because we're
unconscious. How do I know this? I've seen it firsthand.
When we sleep, there are basically four out-of-body states, depending on whether you're
(1) conscious or unconscious and whether you're (2) hallucinating or not. The four out-ofbody states are:
In a normal "dream" we're both unconscious and hallucinating. We're out-of-body, but we
just float there above our body, completely engaged in the dream hallucination.
In a "lucid dream" we're still hallucinating, but now we're completely conscious.
In an "OBE" we're also conscious, but not hallucinating. We're experiencing an objective
"non-physical" reality (not to say that has any relation to our physical reality.)
The fourth state is "shared dreaming"; in other words, unconscious experiences that
happen in an objective "astral" reality (not a hallucination).
The four states are shown on this diagram:
So the only difference between a Lucid Dream and an OBE is that in an LD, we're
experiencing a self-created "dream" hallucination. Our perception is completely focused on
that hallucination, and our dream senses seem mostly normal / physical. For example, in a
lucid dream, you'll have a normal body image and normal senses of sight, sound, touch,
etc.
In an OBE, we're not hallucinating. Our senses are not focused on the dream, so our
perception is often very different: we have trouble seeing, or can see with 360-degree
"astral" vision. Our senses often don't engage unless we focus specifically on them. In an
OBE, your body image will often be distorted or "on demand".
Since dream hallucinations are self-created (by your subconscious) you have the power to
stop and disassemble the hallucination, and that's how you get to the OBE state.

Shifting from a lucid dream to an OBE is easy for me, but I can only describe it as an act of
will. I "will" the dream hallucination to disengage, and it feels like I'm waking up, but my
body doesn't wake up. There's just a sudden, complete shift of attention to a different kind
of experience, different environment, and different perception. The dream-hallucination
dissolves in front of me, but it's fast, like waking up, or like turning off the television.
My eyesight shifts from normal "dream vision" to a mode of OBE sight, often with 360degree perception. This is the "mind sensing" mode of eyesight I wrote about in my first
book. I sometimes find myself hovering about a foot or two above my physical body, almost
as if I was floating in a shallow pool of warm liquid, with my body somewhere below the
surface. Often my arms and hands are loose and limp, gently swaying, as if in some kind of
astral current. Sometimes it's still like that, but these days it's more common for me to find
myself in some kind of void or gray area, suspended upright in space.
In a lucid dream, I know I'm dreaming, and that what I'm experiencing isn't "real". I know it's
a self-created hallucination. It's like watching a movie on television. After I dissolve the
dream-hallucination, I know that I'm in an OBE, and the reality of it is qualitatively very
different. I know I'm not dreaming.
Bear in mind that I don't often lucid dream. It's more common for me to consciously induce
OBEs directly. Here is a journal entry from September 2014, in which I turned a lucid dream
into an OBE, just as an example:
10 September 2014 OBE Deerwood, MN
I was dreaming I was in a large shopping mall-like area. I had been in this place a long time
and something had happened that made me increasingly concerned for my safety. Bad
guys were slowly taking over the mall and they were hunting down and killing anyone who
wasn't one of them. I had been avoiding them successfully for probably more than an hour,
with some friends. Eventually we got split up and I was on my own. My pursuers were
becoming increasingly more aggressive and persistent. I managed to get away from a bad
guy by running up a flight of stairs. As I rounded a corner, I heard singing. I knew it was a
giant. I stopped to plot my next course of action. Should I go back down the stairs? Or face
this giant and somehow try to slip by him?
Then it occurred to me: Now, wait a minute; I'm never running away from bad guys except in
my dreams. Come to think of it, I had recently reminded myself that I should periodically do
reality checks for lucid dreaming purposes, so I should do one now. That's it! I must be
dreaming! And so my dream became a lucid dream and I became conscious.
By this time I saw two of my dream characters, including the giant, who had just discovered

me, and an innocent bystander (a young blonde woman) who was in the same situation as
me (being hunted). I smiled, pointed at the two dream characters and, as if firing actors
from the set of a play, said, Sorry, guys, but not this time. This is a lucid dream. I turned
my attention away from the dream and commanded myself to go up. I ascended the walls of
the shopping mall as the illusion of the dream dissolved. Now it was like an etheric
projection. I wasn't seeing clearly. I could perceive my body, which was just below me. I was
struggling to get away from it, making swimming motions upward, clawing at the gray cloudy
atmosphere. It felt like I was caught in my body's gravitational pull. I said, I could use a little
help, guys! hoping that an invisible helper would lend a hand. No reaction. After a few
minutes of struggling, I managed to break free of my body. Unfortunately, I woke up in my
physical body after that.
So the trick is to use an act of will to turn your attention away from the dream hallucination
without waking up your physical body. That's the best I can do to describe it.
06 January 2015....
Stun Yhogi
According to Bob Peterson, we leave our body every night during sleep, but we are
unaware because we're unconscious. How do I know this? I've seen it firsthand.
Question: How did he know it if he is unaware because he is unconscious during his sleep?
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