(English) Transcript of Trial - United States of America V Russell Defreitas, Abdul Kadir - 7-12-2010

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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
EASTERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
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July 12, 2010

9:40 o'clock a.m.
APPEARANCES:
For the Government:
LORETTA E. LYNCH
United States Attorney
BY: MARSHALL MILLER
JASON JONES
BERIT BERGER
ZAINAB AHMAD
Assistant United States Attorneys
271 Cadman Plaza East
Brooklyn, New York
For the Defendants:
MILDRED WHALEN, ESQ.

LEN KAMDANG, ESQ.
Federal Defenders
Attorneys for R. DeFreitas,
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United States Courthouse

Brooklyn, New York
TRANSCRIPT OF TRIAL
BEFORE THE HONORABLE DORA L. IRIZARRY
UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE, and a jury
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RUSSELL DEFREITAS
ABDUL KADIR
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CR 07-543
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KAFAHNI NKRUMAH, ESQ.

TONI MESSINA, ESQ.
Attorneys for A. Kadir
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Court Reporter:
Gene Rudolph
225 Cadman Plaza East
Brooklyn, New York
(718) 613-2538
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Proceedings recorded by mechanical stenography, transcript

produced by computer-aided transcription.
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(The following occurred in the absence of the jury.)
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THE COURT:
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Be seated, please.
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THE CLERK:
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Good morning.
Criminal cause on trial, docket number
07 CR 543, United States versus DeFreitas, et al.
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Please state your appearances.
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MR. JONES:
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Jason Jones, Marshall Miller, Berit Berger and
Good morning, Your Honor.
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Zainab Ahmad on behalf of the United States.
We are joined by
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Detective Investigator Robert Addonizio at counsel table.
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THE COURT:
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For Mr. DeFreitas?
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MS. WHALEN:
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Mildred Whalen and Len Kamdang for Mr. DeFreitas,
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Good morning.
Good morning, Your Honor.
who is seated with us at counsel table.

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Good morning to all of you.
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For Mr. Kadir?
MS. MESSINA:
Toni Messina with Abdul Kadir at the table.
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Good morning, Judge.

I am
expecting Mr. Nkrumah at any moment.

THE COURT:
Okay.
I have been handed up a total of
four transcripts, courtesy copies apparently of transcripts
that might be used by Ms. Messina to refresh the witness'
recollection.
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MS. MESSINA:
That is correct, Judge.
I have handed those as well to the People.
I mean,
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I'm sorry, I keep saying that, to the government.
I have
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asked them and they have -- I think they have consented, if
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they might show those to Mr. Francis and at some point during
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the morning at least, maybe at the break, maybe the first ones
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now, so that when I ask him about specific events from those
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dates, he may -- we might save some time in
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refreshing -- instead of refreshing his recollection as we go.
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MR. JONES:
We leave it to Your Honor as to how --
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THE COURT:
If it is to refresh his
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recollection -- this is assuming that he doesn't recall the
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events in question -- I don't think it is appropriate to show
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him this first.
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any conversation that's in evidence, any tape recording that's
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in evidence.
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I gather that only one of these is related to
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That is correct, Judge.
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THE COURT:
I don't think that that's the
appropriate procedure at all, to show this to him in advance
when he hasn't even said that that he needs his recollection
refreshed.
MR. JONES:
Your Honor, for the record, I think -- I
don't think any of those four are in evidence.
of those recordings that -- from my understanding, the
recordings that Ms. Messina would like to deal with, none of
those were put into evidence by the government.
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THE COURT:
Actually none
I have one that is marked "continued."
i am assuming that's what this means, 223 T.

MR. JONES:
Yes.
I believe defense counsel is going
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to be moving to put in the remainder of a conversation which
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we did not put in and which was the subject of prior
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litigation.
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THE COURT:
We've had a lot of conversations that
were the subject of prior litigation.
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MR. JONES:
Yes.
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THE COURT:
My question is whether this is part of
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the transcript that I already ruled that did not come in.
MR. JONES:
Your Honor, I don't want to make
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defense's motion for them.
My understanding is that they want
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to put in as -- the second half, which has been placed before
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Your Honor.
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the -- of Mr. Kadir's motion to preclude certain portions of
You may remember, this was the motion, part of
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the recordings.
I believe it's docket number 342.
defense moved to preclude portions of that recording, the
government mooted that issue by redacting both the recording
and the transcript at page 40.
admitted into evidence nor the transcript in the jury's
binders goes past page 40.
When the
Neither the recording that was
My understanding is that now the defendant Kadir is
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wanting to revisit that issue after we -- we essentially
mooted their motion.
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changed our mind.
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before.
Now they are claiming well, we have
Now we want to put in stuff we didn't want
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We object to that.
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THE COURT:
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MS. MESSINA:
May I address that issue, Your Honor?
Yes.
Originally, we moved to preclude parts
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of 223 T, not all of 223 T.
The government originally put in
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as an initial Government Exhibit up to page 52.
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We then -- they then revised what they were putting
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That's not right.

May I continue?
in up to page 40.
This is not the entire contents of 223.
223 is
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several hours of conversation.
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of 223 T, not the portion we are seeking now to introduce.
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We moved to preclude a portion
What happened in the court conversation about this
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ruling was that the government said, we will only put in the
first 40 pages and the Court said that was fine.
withdrew our motion to preclude any of this.
conceded that we weren't seeking to admit some of it.
only seeking to preclude part of it.
We then
We never
We were
Our contention is, Judge, that these specific pages
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go to the heart of our defense and need to come in.
them for the judge -- for Your Honor to review because in -THE COURT:
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You expect me to review it in what, two
minutes, before the witness gets on the stand?

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No, Judge.
I will not be going into
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this until a later part of this morning or even this
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afternoon.
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I left
THE COURT:
Excuse me.
You told me you had about
two hours left of cross of this witness.

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I can't -- that's my best prediction
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but I can't determine with great accuracy how long it is going
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to take to elicit the points we need to elicit.
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The substance of this conversation, Judge, is Kadir
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and Annas are having a conversation about religion in general,
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but as Annas said on the stand, they sought out Kadir's input
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because of his role as a religious leader.
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We submit that it is relevant just because of that,

but more so -THE COURT:
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MS. MESSINA:
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Well, the --
That's a collateral issue.

The point that Annas made, he sought
out Kadir for why they needed him for this plan, was because
he was going to play the role of the religious leader.
MR. JONES:
That's not accurate.
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I will cite to the part of the
transcript where he says that.
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That's Nero.
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Judge, what this conversation is, is a
conversation -THE COURT:
That's correct.
My recollection is that
that was Nero, that they sought out as the religious leader.
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the exact part of the transcript.
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THE COURT:
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MS. MESSINA:
If you give me a moment, I will find
Regardless, it is a collateral issue.

Let me continue.
During this
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conversation, there is actual -- it's -- it's the government's
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position that our client was interested in promoting this plan
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and that he was philosophically, morally and he was behind
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everything they were doing, including blowing up JFK Airport.
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In this conversation, the -- he specifically has
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part of the conversation where he talked about we have no
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right to destroy anything because we haven't built anything
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and Annas is very attentive -- attentively listening to this
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and saying thank you for informing me of this.

At a later part, Mr. Kadir, who is the teacher of a
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man named Hussein who has been in and aware of all the
conversations, I will establish, he was staying at the house
when Annas was staying there and he was there when Annas was
showing the map to Mr. Kadir, joined in the conversation to
say, we are not with Al Qaeda.
Al Qaeda does.
We don't agree with what
We don't agree with killing innocent people.
Mr. Kadir is there agreeing and adopting all of
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Mr. Hussein's statements.
He is the teacher and he is
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listening to this student espouse his own views.
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repeatedly in this conversation saying, a hum, a hum, and how
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they repeated -- Mr. Hussein says repeatedly, in -- in Iran,
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or rather Al Qaeda is wrong and we do not agree with their
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policy.
Obviously, the government doesn't want this to come
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in.
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is behind this plan 100 percent.
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defense, that it be admitted.
It conflicts with their theory of the case that Mr. Kadir
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But it is crucial to our
Your Honor, first of all, I want to
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correct the record.
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the case.
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prior -- prior litigation on this issue was.
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He's
Ms. Messina has misstated the record in
It just -- just in terms of what the government
It used to be an 80-page transcript, the second half

of which Ms. Messina provided Your Honor this morning.
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top of page two of the -- of their prior motion, which is
number 342, presumably defense counsel acknowledged that it
was an 80-page transcript because they moved to exclude pages
50 to 80 essentially.
is simply belied by the record.
To say now it was originally 50 pages
Second of all, more than half of what they now want
to put in they asked Your Honor before to exclude as
irrelevant and completely inadmissible.
that this is essential to the case is beyond -- certainly
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strains credulity.
Most of this conversation is with a man named
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Hussein, who is a third-party.
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inadmissible by defense counsel.
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Evidence do not permit this testimony.
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coming back and asking Your Honor to admit it is -- is a day
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late and a dollar short and should be precluded.

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It's inadmissible; certainly

It is just -- the Rules of
That they are now
Judge, we are not seeking to do it in
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the whole testimony.
As Mr. Jones said, this was an 80-page
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document.
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It's, number one, not lengthy.
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Rules of Evidence because it goes specifically to Mr. Kadir's
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state of mind and this is an element of the crime to prove
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that he had the intent to commit this crime.
We are seeking to admit an additional ten pages.
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It is admissible under the
Those ten pages -Excuse me.
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This dialogue, and I think the jury has a right to
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hear it, to make their own decision, about what Mr. Kadir's
state of mind was, when he was giving specific information to
Annas saying they are not interested in the plan.
going to Trinidad.
hatchery, which Mr. Annas interpreted that Mr. DeFreitas said
was a lie.
heard to signify his state of mind at the time he made those
statements.
I am not
The folks aren't interested in the
My client had the right for his own words to be
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conspiracy, correct?
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I believe Mr. Francis already testified he wasn't
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Hussein is not a member of the
That's right, Judge.
involved.
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I will be able to lay a foundation,
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Judge, that Mr. Hussein was part of listening.
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Mr. Francis -THE COURT:
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In fact,
It doesn't matter that he was a part of
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listening.
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statements are rank hearsay and they don't come in.
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If he is not part of the conspiracy, then his
MS. MESSINA:
As I said before, Mr. Kadir has his
teacher standing next to him as this conversation goes on -THE COURT:
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of any of the other conversations of the parties in actually
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engaging in the plot, in getting the financing, in all of the
technical aspects.
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Why would Kadir even let the student know what he is

really thinking?
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Judge, if I can?
Mr. Hussein, or
Mr. Francis said in a 302 to Louie Napoli, his handler, that
when he was telling Mr. Kadir about this plot and actually
showing him the map, he noticed that there was a man, a very
nosy person paying attention to what was going on.
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Mr. Hussein.
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He named him.
After that event they specifically -- Mr. Hussein
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with Mr. Kadir next to him talked about this specific issue of
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violence as a justifiable way to go about to try to promote
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Islam.
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Hussein -- I am going to read it to you, Judge.
think it needs to be in the record.

Hussein says -- this is on page 41 of the submission
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I gave you which is I wrote on 223 T continued, line nine.
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Starting early, Hussein says 9/11.
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Kadir says, oh, oh, oh.
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Hussein said, I said clearly we condemn it.
Of
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in my -- in our view this is a terrorist attack.
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He is speaking in the collective, our view, next to

his teacher, Mr. Kadir.
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Why I said you want to succeed in life.
You need to
follow this man because you know to take life, you need
authority, to take somebody's life.
I would establish, Judge, that he is -- a follower
of Mr. Kadir.
Mr. Kadir agrees, ah hum.
Allah.
this.
Hussein -- again Mr. Kadir is always agreeing, ah hum,
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I am going to skip down to another important part of
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He is referring to this man, Mr. Kadir.
Line 31, Hussein says, take life.
To say you can do
But it all depends to one who -- then again he says

there is no one but Allah.
Then I am going to skip ahead because I want to
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focus on the specific issue relevant, beyond the religious
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issue that he is informing him about.
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THE COURT:
Okay.
Let's continue with the
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cross-examination.
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because I really don't want to hold up the jury.
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been provided to me on Friday, perhaps I could have taken a
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look at it over the weekend and we wouldn't have had to delay
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matters today.
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don't want to take up any of the jury time.
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I will take a look at it during the break

Had this
I mentioned this to counsel before.
I really
It does seem to me that the defense has shifted
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gears here, on the one hand you want to preclude something.
Now all of a sudden you want to bring it in.
Mr. Hussein says, who is not a conspirator, a coconspirator
here, is rank hearsay.
MS. MESSINA:
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MR. NKRUMAH:
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I want to take a look at the conversation.
Whatever
He can't speak to Mr. Kadir's intent.

Judge, as I said, he is adopting --
I heard what you said.

Your Honor, may I?
No.
I will
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consider it over the break and then we will discuss it after
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the break.
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THE COURT:
Thank you, Judge.
Unless there is something absolutely
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immediate that needs to be dealt with, I would like to put the
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witness on the witness stand.

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There is some good news, Judge, which
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is I think we are very close to coming to a stipulation about
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several of the Trinidadian witnesses so they won't need to be
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called.
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Judge, may I just set up at the podium?
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THE COURT:
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You should have been set up already.
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Yes.
Thank you.
Your Honor, should the witness be
brought in?
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THE COURT:
Yes.
MR. JONES:
Thank you.
(Witness present.)
THE WITNESS:
(Jury present.)
THE COURT:
You may all be seated.
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
I hope you had a nice weekend.
Good morning.
Jury entering.
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THE WITNESS:
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THE COURT:
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He is coming.
Good morning.
I hope you are all rested because we
have a lot of work to do this week.
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You need to have the shades on?
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Okay.
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Sorry.
Thank you.
The parties all agree that all of our jurors
are present and properly seated?
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MR. JONES:
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MR. NKRUMAH:
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MS. WHALEN:
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Yes, Your Honor.

Yes, Your Honor.
Yes, Your Honor.
Okay.
cross-examination of Mr.
Steven Francis.
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Good morning, sir.
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This is continued
Good morning.
I remind you that you are still under
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oath.
THE WITNESS:
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Yes.
As you know, there is water there for
you to have if you like.
This is by Ms. Messina.
MS. MESSINA:
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Thank you.
May I approach the podium?
Yes.
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called as a witness, having been previously duly
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sworn, was examined and testified as follows:
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CROSS EXAMINATION
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THE COURT:
You may proceed when ready.
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This is on behalf of Mr. Kadir.
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Mr. Francis, good morning.
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Now, when we left last Thursday, do you recall we were
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talking about you visiting Mr. Kadir at his home?
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THE COURT:
Which day?
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Did you visit Mr. Kadir on more than one occasion at his
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home?
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We are talking -- do you recall we were talking about the
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day when you presented the video to him on his computer.
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Correct?
Yes.
In relation to that, didn't you have a conversation with
Mr. DeFreitas shortly thereafter, maybe the next day, about
Mr. Kadir's reaction to having seen the video?
Yes.
Didn't Mr. DeFreitas express to you his frustration that
he thought the showing of the video wasn't as dramatic as it
had been for Mr. Rutherford?
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Do you recall having a conversation -- withdrawn.
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Did you have a chance to look over a transcription
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of the conversation you had with Mr. DeFreitas about showing
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the video to Mr. Kadir?
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You -- yes.
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In that transcript, in that conversation, isn't it true
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that Mr. DeFreitas complained to you that he thought the video
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didn't show as well the tall buildings and planes?
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MR. JONES:
Objection.
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THE COURT:
Sustained.
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What was the conversation you had with Mr. DeFreitas
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about -- withdrawn.
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What did Mr. DeFreitas tell you about the difference
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that Mr. -- of what Mr. Rutherford saw and what Mr. Kadir saw?
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What he meant was that the video was not as big on the
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computer as it was in Sheik Rutherford's office.
on a TV screen, is that right?
On a 25-inch TV screen, yes.
Isn't it a fact that, in fact, later on you showed the
video to Mr. Ibrahim?
Later on when?
When you showed the video -- when did you show the video
to Mr. Ibrahim?
Okay.
That was because you showed it to Sheik Rutherford
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When we were in Trinidad, Sheik Mohammed, Abdel Nur and
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video to Mr. Ibrahim, isn't it a fact Mr. DeFreitas asked that
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you specifically show it on the TV screen as opposed to a
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computer?
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Yes.
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During that meeting with Mr. Kadir at his home, the one
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we have just been speaking about, didn't you say my client
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asked for blueprints?
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Didn't you say at that very meeting you discussed that
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the tanks were double-walled?
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At some point we discussed the double-wall tanks.
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Are you saying now it wasn't at that meeting?
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What I'm saying is that Sheik Kadir mentioned that the
That's what I am talking about.
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tanks were double-walled -- a double-wall tanks and he did not
believe, Sheik Kadir did not believe that --
Mr. Francis, I am asking a very specific question.
Did you discuss this issue that you are now
discussing at that first meeting in Mr. Kadir's house, yes or
no?
We discussed the matter of tanks.
At that first meeting, yes or no?
I believe strongly that we did at that point.
I mean,
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So that's a yes?
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Yes.
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It was also at that first meeting, didn't you say, that
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he spoke to you about connections of his in Venezuela and?
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Iran?
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Mr. Kadir mentioned connections, yes.
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Again, at that first meeting, correct?
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Yes.
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Mr. Francis, you did not tape-record any part of that
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meeting, correct?
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That is correct.
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And you later reported what happened at that meeting to
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Louie Napoli, correct?
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Because you are, as you had said on direct examination,
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the eyes and ears for the FBI, correct?
Yes.
Mr. Francis, isn't it a fact you never told Louie Napoli
that Mr. Kadir asked for blueprints at that meeting?
I did told Louie Napoli about the blueprints, yes.
Okay.
at that meeting Mr. Kadir spoke of a two-sided tank and the
explosion itself?
Would you like to ask me the question once again?
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Yes.
Isn't it a fact you didn't tell Louie Napoli that
Isn't it a fact that you did not tell Louie Napoli
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anything about Mr. Kadir's discussion about the tank formation
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or the explosion?
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I told Louie Napoli about the double-sided walls, yes.
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meeting, correct?
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Like I said before, yes.
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Isn't it a fact you didn't tell Louie Napoli either that
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Mr. Kadir mentioned he had connections that he was going to
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try to seek out in -- specifically in Venezuela or Iran?
Because that's what you discussed at that first
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Objection.
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No.
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Did you tell him that?
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Overruled.
Yes.
I will allow it.
I told Louie Napoli that Kadir
was going to speak to his connections and will take two weeks
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to come back with the answers.
connections in Venezuela and Iran?
I spoke to him about that, yes.
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Did you specifically tell Louie Napoli that they were
You also said, correct me, didn't you also say on
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direct that it was at that meeting Mr. Kadir shared the fact
that he was an engineer with you?
He said that he was a civil engineer, yes.
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He specifically told you that, you gained that knowledge
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at that first meeting, right?
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meeting, but I believe strongly that he mentioned that he was
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a civil engineer, yes.
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some of the things that happened three years ago?
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knowledge of three years ago, I will be able to actually tell
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you exactly what happened on the particular times.
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when you met Mr. Kadir.
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You stated that one of the reasons he spoke in a detailed
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way about the tanks was because you learned he was an
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engineer, a civil engineer?
I cannot 100 percent recall if it was at that first
Fair to say, Mr. Francis, it is difficult to remember
If you can actually help me recollect some of the
I am asking about your knowledge of that particular day
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Yes.
And it was at that meeting you learned that, correct?
Yes.
Isn't it a fact that the next day you had a conversation
with Mr. DeFreitas and during that conversation Mr. DeFreitas
casually tells you oh, by the way, he's an engineer, referring
to Mr. Kadir?
Yes.
As if you never knew he was an engineer, correct?
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I was listening to him.
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And you said -- when Mr. DeFreitas told you that, you
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didn't say oh, I knew that.
He told me that yesterday.
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You didn't say that?
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Objection.
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THE COURT:
Sustained.
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you know Mr. Kadir was an engineer, you said, what kind of
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engineer?
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that the information was correct, and as he has said before,
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that he was a civil engineer I was actually waiting for him to
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explain exactly what kind of engineer, just to make sure that
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Mr. Sheik Kadir had actually spoken the truth.
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Didn't you say when he told that you Mr. -- when he let
As I was recalling at that moment, I wanted to make sure
Oh, all right.

So you just repeated the information you already
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knew from the day before?
say that he was a civil engineer, not me.
about that.
in that conversation, what kind of engineer?
Like I said before, Sheik --
If you can answer yes or no?
I --
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Or you don't remember?
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I did say what kind of engineer.
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All right.
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you he needed two weeks in order to see if he could reach any
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contacts?
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No, he didn't say that.
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What was the two weeks that you spoke of?
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He asked for two weeks to come back to us.
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Didn't he tell you don't call me for two weeks?
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He did not say that.
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Well, what -- can you explain a little further what did
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he mean -- withdrawn.
I didn't.
It was Sheik Mohammed that actually decided to

I did not inquire
He mentioned it on his own.
Mr. Francis, didn't you specifically say to Mr. DeFreitas
Mr. Kadir didn't -- isn't it true, he told
What did he say about two weeks?
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When the JFK plot was presented to him, Sheik Kadir
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mentioned that already some people had some interest on that
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same chicken farm and he needed to get in touch with them just
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to inform them of the knowledge that Sheik Mohammed had.
Which eventually, soon after, he mentions that they were
looking at his -- Sheik Mohammed's avenues a more stronghold
than the information that they already had.
I don't understand your answer.

My question is, did he tell you he needed two weeks
to see if he could contact anyone?
No, he didn't say that.

He said that he will
get back at us in two weeks
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about a matter that was presented to him.
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you or did he say you should get back to him?
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weeks to get information back to us.
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Now, you said -- are you sure he said he'll get back to
He said that he will
be -- he said that he needed two
Mr. Francis, I asked you, did he --
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Move on, please.
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It has been asked and answered.
Was in -- isn't it.
Withdrawn.
When those two weeks were pending, you went back to
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New York, correct?
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We came back to New York, yes.
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It was in that trip back to New York that Mr. DeFreitas
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got searched at the airport, correct?
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Yes, in the second trip.
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Didn't you say on direct that Mr. DeFreitas was carrying
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something important or related to the plot when he was
stopped?
MS. WHALEN:
THE COURT:
Objection.
Sustained.
Mr. DeFreitas, is this correct, Mr. DeFreitas was upset
when he was searched?
Yes.
And you answered -- well, what -- why was he upset?
Like I mentioned before, he was upset because he was
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heavily searched and they have found personal documents of
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Sheik Kadir on his possession.
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they was going to put a chip in his passport when his passport
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expired which was very near after, very close, few months
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later after that.
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given to him by Mr. Kadir that related to the plot?
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his family.
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Did any of those documents relate to the plot?
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No.
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Mr. Kadir wasn't worried when you told him that his
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documents had been seized, correct?
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I cannot say that.
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Didn't you have a conversation with Mr. DeFreitas about
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this that stopped, that was taped, that you taped?
Okay.
And they had told him that
Now, was Mr. DeFreitas carrying any documents
He was entrusted with personal documents of himself and
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I'm sorry.
Can you repeat the question,
please?
MS. MESSINA:
Yes.
After the stop, didn't you and Mr. DeFreitas talk about
what happened at the stop?
THE COURT:
At the search you mean?
MS. MESSINA:
At the search, yes, Judge.
Yes.
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That was taped, correct?
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Yes.
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During that conversation, didn't you and Mr. DeFreitas
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talk about how Mr. Kadir was not worried at all about having
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had the documents taken?
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I don't recall that.
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Now, after this happened, you continued to call
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Mr. Kadir?
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Yes.
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In fact, it is fair to say you were pretty much and
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Mr. DeFreitas always calling him?
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Yes.
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And you informed Mr. Kadir at one of those occasions that
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you did download Google Earth, correct?
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Under his instruction, yes.
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Right.
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did he respond to you -- withdrawn.
Didn't he respond to you in a way that seemed he
almost didn't remember why you downloaded Google Earth?
No, not correct.
Didn't he say to you, well, from that I said we can look
and identify any area, like Guyana.
good, good.
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That's not so.
And I also mentioned the chicken farm and he said good,
Right.
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It was only after he said that first, speaking just
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of Guyana, that you had to remind him about the chicken farm?
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That's not correct.
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Didn't you ask him if he needed other details or if he
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could work with just the basic Google Earth download?
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Yes.
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Didn't he say to you that's fine, I can work with that,
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what you got?
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So he answered the question.
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Yes.
And he didn't say anything to you about needing
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blueprints in that conversation?
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We was talking about Google Earth.
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Can you answer the question?
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Did he say anything to you in that conversation
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about needing blueprints?
No.
He didn't say anything to you about distances between
things or to the road from the tanks on the map?
He did not ask me for blueprints.
it.
And the distance of the tanks or whatsoever, this -- this
he knew very well, this was a sensitive matter, and this is
the reason why he picked those specific names of the plot
because he didn't say oh you mean the JFK Airport.
He asked Mohammed for
He
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mentioned the chicken farm.
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You mentioned chicken farm first, didn't you?
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And he also mentioned it later on his own.
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Now, you are assuming that's why he didn't ask for these
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things, isn't that correct?
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to do.
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Yes or no?
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look at the chicken farm, which is the JFK, and the matter
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that he will understand what the landmarks exactly that Sheik
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Mohammed was actually looking at.
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more interested in Google Earth prints and in blueprints that
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actually he never asked me for.
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he said Sheik Mohammed will --
I don't assume anything.
I just go with what I am asked
Well, he didn't say any of those things to you, did he?
He asked me to download Google Earth for him to take a
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He asked Sheik Mohammed and
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Excuse me, Mr. Francis.

When did he ask Mr. Mohammed for those blueprints?
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Sorry?
When did he ask Mr. Mohammed, Sheik Mohammed, ask for
those blueprints?
had in his house with Abdul Wahab.
him do you need any more details or is this enough, he never
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In that same meeting, the first meeting that actually we
Okay.
But on this occasion when you specifically asked
asked for more blueprints or mentioned blueprints at all?
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THE COURT:
Asked and answered.
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MS. MESSINA:
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Judge, already in evidence is 214 T.
Thank you.
I would like
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to play a part of that, if I may, for Mr. Francis.
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in the binder in front of you?
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Mr. Francis, do you still have the transcript from 214 T
Do you want the jury to turn to their
binders?
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MS. MESSINA:
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or look at their transcript, yes.

THE COURT:
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of page nine?
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Yes.
Or at least if they need to --
Okay.
I am going to ask you, Mr. Francis, to start at the top
Can you repeat that, please?

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THE COURT:
microphone and your voice is fading off.

MS. MESSINA:
THE COURT:
everyone to turn to?

MS. MESSINA:
THE COURT:
What page did you want
Page nine, the top.
Thank you.
MS. MESSINA:
Judge, do you mind if Mr. Therrien
helps me figure this out?
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THE COURT:
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MS. MESSINA:
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All right.
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I apologize.
I'm sorry.
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I'm sorry, Judge?
You were not standing in front of the
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I am not the most adept at --
Not a problem.
Thank you.
I am going to play starting from the top
of that page.
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THE COURT:
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MS. MESSINA:
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The audio is on, Judge?
From line one?

It -- yes, it should be.
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off and only put witness audio.
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are in here.
We had originally turned
I am not sure what gear we
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THE COURT:
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(Tape plays; tape stops.)
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It is on.
It is not page nine.

Yes, Judge.
I apologize.
to see where I am.
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MS. WHALEN:
MS. MESSINA:
We may be starting a little before page nine.
Go ahead.
MS. MESSINA:
I believe it is page seven.

Thank you.
Judge, we are at the bottom of page
seven.
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This is the part of the conversation where you are just
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talking about products, that you are -- that Mr. DeFreitas is
12
thinking of importing up from Guyana.
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Yes.
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And one of those products is Greenheart, correct?
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Yes.
MS. MESSINA:
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Is that correct?
I am going to skip ahead and try to
get the right part.

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That's your voice, correct, Mr. Francis?
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Yes.
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You are giving the traditional greetings?
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alaikum?
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That is correct.
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We are at the bottom of page eight, is that correct?
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Yes.
Assalam
Is that correct?
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Mr. Kadir says to you, were you ever able to use the DVD
or the CD.
What's he referring to, if you know?
He gave me a CD or DVD pertaining to like -- I believe
something about Guyana or something like that.
can't recall right now exactly what was the DVD about.
It had nothing to do with the plot?
No, of course not.
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Did you review it?
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I don't -- I don't think I, at that moment I had the
12
chance to review it.
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MS. MESSINA:
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I am not -- I
This should be the top of page nine.
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You are the first person in this conversation who
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mentions anything about Google Earth, isn't that correct?
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Yes.
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You tell Mr. Kadir you downloaded it, correct?
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Yes.
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You ask him if there is anything specific that he wants
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you to do with Google Earth, is that correct?
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Yes.
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And by that, you're meaning anything to enhance the
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image?
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What are you meaning when you ask him that?
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He asked me to download, Sheik Kadir asked me to download
Google Earth and in regards of the JFK and I needed to know if
he -- what specifically he needed from there because he's the
one that asked me to download it and to see it.
opposed to told you to download it?
He told me to download Google Earth.
After you ask him specifically what Mr. Kadir would like
So --
Isn't it fair to say, he suggested you download it as
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you to do with it, he gives you a general answer, about
11
looking at Guyana.
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He doesn't mention anything about chicken farm when
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you tell him about Google Earth?
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what we had spoken about.
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before that we should use chicken farm, is because there is no
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way in the world that we going to be talking about the JFK
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Airport or downloading anything on the phone.
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aren't you?
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No.
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Okay.
He said Guyana or anywhere else.
I had to understand
This is the reason why he mentioned
Again, Mr. Francis, you are reading into what he says,
I am following instructions.
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So you are the first person again in this
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conversation to remind him why he asked you to download Google
Earth, right?
I already have download, the Google Earth, for him to
acknowledge that I already did what he asked me.
I don't have Google -- remind him.
I'm telling him that
As you see, right after, he says, okay, okay.
can locate it on Google Earth?
actually what the chicken farm is.
You
So he's in agreement of
Right.
When you ask him if there is anymore details he
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needs, he doesn't say that he does need any more details, does
12
he?
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your phone Cingular.
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information on the phone.
He does actually.
You see, he asked me, my phone -- is
I am going to text you.
If you can play the whole tape we will be able to
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understand it a little better.
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That's fine.
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Okay.
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So -- some
So he tells you he will text something to you
tomorrow morning.
Do you ever receive anything from him the next day
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on your phone?
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No.
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Let's move on.
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Now, at some point, about two weeks after he told
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you to get back in touch with him, you did call him again,
correct?
Yes.
Sheik Mohammed asked me to.
he found anyone interested in the plot, isn't that correct?
Sheik Mohammed was interested in knowing, yes.
Didn't you call him on the morning of March 7th, on your
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Okay.
And Sheik Mohammed through you wanted to know if
own, to find out if he reached out to any of his contacts?
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THE COURT:
I'm sorry.
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MS. MESSINA:
Call whom?
Excuse me, Judge.
Didn't you call Mr. Kadir on the morning of March 7th to
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find out if he had reached out to any of his contacts?
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Kadir numerous times.
I can't recall the day, but I remember calling Sheik
I would like to know exactly if you have anything to
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refresh my memory.
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Do you have 216 T?
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THE COURT:
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MS. MESSINA:
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Would you?
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Thank you, Judge.
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This is already admitted into evidence, Judge.
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Yes.
Yes.
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THE COURT:
MS. MESSINA:
From the beginning, page two.
THE COURT:
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May I play it for Mr. Francis?
From where?
One moment, please.
All right.
The very beginning.
That's 216, jurors, from the
beginning, which is page two.

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Mr. Francis, that's your voice again, correct?
Yes.
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When you made this call, do you know if Mr. DeFreitas was
11
in the room with you?
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Is it -- if you were in the room with you -- withdrawn.

Some of these tapes have your introduction to them,
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where -- withdrawn.
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Don't some of these tapes have your announcement
17
before you make the call, that you are making the call and
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what time you are making the call?
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Yes.
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And some of them don't, correct?
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Yes.
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Is it fair to say, when you have that introductory
23
message before you make the phone call, you are making the
24
call by yourself pretty much, not with Mr. DeFreitas handy or,
25
rather, in the same place?
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Sometimes I do introduction before I make the call
because DeFreitas is not actually near me.
not near me, I will actually do that.
Mr. DeFreitas was -- was here when you made this call.
Let's listen to this.
Sheik Mohammed is
Perhaps you will recall if
You are calling Mr. Kadir on this instance to find
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out if he contacted anyone about the chicken farm, right?
Yes.
(Tape plays, tape stops.)
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here.
Now, he is talking about a building being demolished
What, if you know, is he referring to?
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13
He's talking about the cinema, where the two thieves that
14
assaulted me the day I was reporting to Louie Napoli, on the
15
second time that I got mugged there.
16
demolished because of -- of -- of the area had been such a
17
good area, actually.
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make the place where you were mugged -- to have it taken down,
20
is that correct?
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That is correct.
22
That has nothing to do with the chicken farm, correct?
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That is correct.
24
Now, it is during this conversation that he specifically
25
tells you that the folks don't want to deal with the hatchery,
He was working to get it
So Mr. Kadir is telling you that he's doing some work to
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correct?
Let's play this.
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So Mr. Kadir specifically says to you, that the
folks do not want to deal with the hatchery, doesn't he?
they will keep it in mind.
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He's saying that not right now, it's too sensitive, but
If you keep actually playing the tape a little bit

more, I would appreciate that.
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CROSS-EXAMINATION CONTINUED.
BY MS. MESSINA:
Correct?
No, he did not say that.
Well, he says that at this time they don't want to touch
it?
It is too sensitive.
Right.
So he tells at the moment the people are not interested.
So he's saying they don't want to touch it right
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now, it's too sensitive?
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Right now.
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Okay.
14
But they will keep it in mind for later on.
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And he never tells you who he contacted, does he?
16
He mentioned it at some point, yes.
17
Oh. When did he mention?
18
First of all, he mentioned it in the first meeting when
19
he says that he had connections in Venezuela and Iran, and
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then, he also mentioned it later on as well.
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Did you ever give that information to Mr. Napoli?
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I informed Mr. Napoli of everything, yes.
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So you told Mr. Napoli the people that Mr. Kadir said he
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contacted.
25
He mentioned that he had contacted him in Venezuela as
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well as in Iran, yes.
Mr. Kadir ever give you names of people he contacted?
No.
And so this point when he's telling you the folks are not
interested did you take that as a setback in the plan?
Sheikh Mohammed about it, and I also told Louie Napoli about
it and I am just there waiting to see what will be the next
I asked about names.
Did you ever tell Mr. Napoli or did
I didn't take it in any direction.
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move for Sheikh Mohammed.
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Actually, I informed
And did Mr. DeFreitas take it as a setback for the plan?
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MR. JONES:
Objection.
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THE COURT: Sustained.
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You were with Mr. Defreitas in the day when you told him
15
what Mr. Kadir said; right?
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I'm sorry.
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Later you told Mr. Defreitas what Mr. Kadir said in this
18
phone call?
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Yes.
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Mr. Defreitas -- did Mr. Defreitas view it as a setback
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to the plan?
Can you repeat that?
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MR. JONES:
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Can I have the jurors close your books if we are not
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Objection.
looking at -- hearing the transcript.
Just close it and keep
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it handy, okay? Thank you.
said it was too sensitive at this time because of the airport
stop; isn't that correct?
You hypothesized on direct, Mr. Francis, that Mr. Kadir
Well, I -THE COURT:
Sustained as to form.
Mr. Francis, did you attribute the fact that it being
sensitive -- Mr. Kadir said it was sensitive to the stop of
Mr. Defreitas at customs in New York?
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I can't understand your question.
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Let me make it more simple?

Mr. Kadir told you the folks weren't interested
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I'm sorry.
right now in this plan; is that correct?
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THE COURT:
Asked and answered.
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MS. MESSINA: I am just trying to break down the
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other question Judge.
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Mr. Kadir told you it was sensitive right now?
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Yes.
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In any taped conversation did he tell you why it was
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sensitive?
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I can't recall right now.

MS. MESSINA: I want to play the rest of that
conversation. So that's back to page three.
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THE COURT: This is 216 T is the transcript. 120.
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I remind you, ladies and gentlemen, it's the
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conversation itself, the audio recording, that's the evidence,
and the transcript is merely an aid to help you follow along.
I know these books are kind of big and clunky to deal with,
but you can open up to help you follow along.
about other things, apart from the chicken farm; isn't that
correct?
Yes.
And the answer is about a sword?
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Yes.
In the rest of this conversation, Mr. Francis, you talk
(Tape played); (Tape stopped)
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What sword is he referring to?
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He asked me if he Katana.
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and it is used for marshal arts purposes.
15
Is that something you told him you would get for him?
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That is something he asked me to.
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Is that something you told him you would get for him?
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Like I said, that is something he asked me for, and if he
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asked me for it I can get it for him, yes.
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Were you going to get it for him?
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I was trying to get it, yes.
22
Did you ever end up getting it for him?
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Yes.
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Is that an expensive item?
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No, it not it.
Katana is a Japanese sword,
Is a novelty item.
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Now, what is he talking about here, what is this wood
material?
inquiring for.
from Guyana?
This is the wood that actually Sheikh Mohammed was
And was this part of a plan to try to export something
That's correct.
(Tape played); (Tape stopped).
Now,
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what was he referring to here, the document
11
and the other things you took over?
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help him build a masjid, a place of prayer and he had gave him
14
some sort of blueprints about the place, where the location or
15
the land, and how big, approximately, the place was going to
16
be, and he gave instructions of, you know, about himself and
17
the members of his family that was actually going to be
18
involved in this project.
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And did you say he gave you blueprints about the mosque?
20
I think it was a land -- it was like a blueprint of the
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land, the size of the land, actually.
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And did that get seized at the airport, do you know?
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It was -- I don't know exactly which of the documents
24
were copied.
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He asked that we pursue or we try to get the brothers to
I wasn't present.
Did everything that got seized get copied and given back
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to Mr. DeFreitas or not?
Yes.
And did you and Mr. Defreitas take these documents do
anything with them to actually help promote them up?
asking monies for --to build this masjid.
And did you make the flyers and Mr. Defreitas?
Yes.
And what did you do with those flyers?
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I presented to Sheikh Mohammed and he chose what to do
11
with them, which is give them to people that were being
12
inclined to promote that place of prayer.
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mosque?
15
Which Bilal?
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Bilal in the -- well, let me play the tape?
Yes.
Mohammed asked me to do flyers for them -- for the
And who is Bilal, if you know, in relation to this
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Now, what does that mean we're going to do it Friday?
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I was asked to do the flyers and Jumar just may prayers
20
at Khoe Mosque.
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Sheikh Mohammed to Sheikh Shukrijumah
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And is Jumar prayer a formal gathering of moslems?
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Yes.
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And is that the one you are referring to be happening in
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a mosque?
The flyers were going to be presented by

and other people.
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What.
Would it be happening in a mosque?
What would be happening in the mosque?
The jumar prayer?
Yes, in the mosque, yes.
And would that --how many people might be gathered for a
Friday Jumar prayer ins this particular mosque?
I can't tell you that.
It is a handful or dozen or is it larger?
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It all depends on the Friday.
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location.
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prayer, sometimes it is full of people.
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Depending on -- variables.
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15
Back before -- I belive it was back before you got involved
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with anything of this, didn't you say the FBI asked you to
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actually go to a mosque to do security?
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yes.
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You were doing security"?
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some people overseeing their well-being of the people, whether
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it is directing them to where to prayer, directing them into a
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bathroom, and also making sure that while the people are
I don't know.
I mean it all depends.
All depends on the

Just like every place of
Sometimes it's not.
Okay. I wanted to revisit something you said on direct.
I was doing security at a mosque as a detail for the FBI,
Does that mean you were working -- what does that mean:
This is -- in all the places of prayers there's always
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praying and they are not being attacked randomly by strangers
or many other instances why in places or mosques they have
security.
mosque, or did the FBI ask you to do it as a something like a
spy in a mosque, to see what you could find out?
have to report.
by the FBI and that's as far as I can go with that.
I was CI for the FBI.
So everything I get intact with I
And by me doing the security it was approved
MS. MESSINA: So I was asking about Ibal, let me just
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Now, were you doing the security as a person to protect a
finishing playing.
(Tape played): (Tape stopped)
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So he's asking you on Friday if you are going to work
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with Ibal your not, which Ibal is he referring to?
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actually friends with him for a long time, and was dealing --
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was friends also with Sheikh Mohammed, and was actually
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current employer and provider of a letter for Sheikh Mohammed.
He was referring to the Ibal, the Moslem brother that was
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MS. WHALEN:
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THE COURT:
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Objection.
Can I see counsel please at the side
bar.
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THE COURT: What is the objection?
MS. WHALEN:
When the trial began the government
said they are not eliciting certain statements by agents of my
client and I believe that this about to discuss my client --
where my client asked about writing a letter so he can
continue to receive social security benefits.

MS. MESSINA: That's not my intention in asking the
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question.
THE COURT:
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I will rephrase its so it is much more specific.

Bilal Rutherford, why can't you just ask
a straight forward question.

MR. MILLER:
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Keep it simple.
It is fine as long as we keep it simple
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but if Ms. Messina or defense is going to go into Bilal as a
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friend of both of these people, and Bilal as some sort of
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reason that Mr. Kadir is dealing with these people, then that
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fact that Bilal was also engaging in welfare fraud with Mr.
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Defreitas may become an issue. I don't think we should go
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anywhere near there but if this becomes part of the defense it
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would open the door to all kinds of matters.
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MS. MESSINA: That is not my intention.
I wanted to
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establish that he was also someone who is a contact in New
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York.
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the Bilal --
And I would ask the question is asa to whether that's
THE COURT: That is a separate issue.
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I don't know
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why you need to go into so much detail about it. Very simple
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question:
Is this the same Bilal who was known as Rutherford
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that you met with in Guyana.
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MS. MESSINA: That is not what I am trying to elicit.

I am not assuming the jury assumes that.
THE COURT:
How do you know that.
MS. MESSINA: I will ask.
You could be right and the
other issue I wanted to bring up is that Bilal was the reason
Mr. Defreitas even heard of Mr. Kadir-- if this witness knows
that.
THE COURT:
Well, how would he know that?
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MS. MESSINA: Because he had all these conversations.
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MR. JONES:
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MS. MESSINA: You know this is not a big important
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That is hearsay.
part of cross.
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THE COURT:
Well, you are running very close to
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opening the door to all this other area sand you know,
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unfortunately, you will bring the codefendant with you.
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MS. WHALEN:
The codefendant is going to be asking
for a mistrial.
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THE COURT: So I don't see why there's a need to go
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into that much detail when there's other things that you can
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ask in connection with their dealings with respect to the
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mosque that have nothing to do necessarily with Bilal.

MS. MESSINA: That, as I said, it's not a big issue
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on cross.
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THE COURT:
Objection sustained.
BY MS. MESSINA:
the Bilal Rutherford that has come up as someone interested in
the plot earlier on in this trial?
Yes.
He is not that person?
He is not that person.
Mr. Francis, to be clear, this Bilal is not the same as
It's a different person.
MS. MESSINA: One moment, Judge.
We are done with
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that particular recording, if the jurors want to put their
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books away.
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the folks aren't interested in the project now, you tell that,
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to Mr. DeFreitas, don't you?
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We discuss about it, yes, Sheikh Mohammed and I.
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And Mr. DeFreitas recommends or asks you to call
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Mr. Kadir again so that you can figure out went wrong; isn't
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that what happened?
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Can you show me something to recollect?
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Yes.
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government today.
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Now, later in the day after Mr. Kadir specifically says
I.D. 61 should have been given to you by the

I don't know if it's in your binder?
MS. MESSINA: May I, Judge, mark this to for defense

identification.
I think we are up to D.
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THE COURT:
E.
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MS. MESSINA:
Thank you. May I approach the witness
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with it?
THE COURT:
MS. MESSINA:
Yes.
Thank you.
Can you please take a look at that (handing).

Now, the conversation that we just talked about at
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length and we listened to, which was 216 T, can you look at
just the cover page of that and tell me what time that phone
call was made to Mr. Kadir. 216 T.
Yes?
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9:15 a.m.
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That is 9:51 a.m. U.S. time ,correct?
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Yes.
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Eastern standard time, correct?
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U.S. time.
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Okay. Now, what I showed you and asked for you to
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identify IV 61, what time of was that phone call made?
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9 p.m.
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And both phone calls are March 7th, correct?
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Yes.
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Can you take a look through that exhibit, please.
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Sure.
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Does this reflect a transcript of a conversation you had
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on March 7, 2007 at 9 p.m. with Mr. Defreitas as well as
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Mr. Kadir?
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Objection.
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Can you look through that and tell me when you've looked
through it.
unintelligible and I like to listen to the tape actually
because it is actually the most important part than actually
me reading this.
refreshes your recollection as to whether or not on that day
I must say most of times the transcripts have
I don't know if that is okay or not.
Well, can you just tell us if by looking at this,
this
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there was a taped conversation among the parties listed taped
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by you?
MS. MESSINA: Can I play part of that transcript for
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Mr. Francis just so the witness could see if he recognizes
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that.
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THE COURT:
May I see counsel at side bar.
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(The following took place at side bar)
THE COURT: I've lost count how many times have I
said in front of the jury we don't play something that's not
evidence.
MS. WHALEN:
We worked it out this morning.
We can
have the witness with the headphones only then the witness and
I guess we could hear it through the headphones but the
jury -MR. JONES:
That is not the issue.
It is completely
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inappropriate.
You can't say, Mr. Francis, how about these
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records, the tape, blah, blah.
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do that.
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don't remember, and then let them refresh his recollection
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with whatever.
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though there's some white elephant in the.
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how we use 3500 material.
She's testifying.
You can't
The question is did you say something, no, or I
You don't tell the jury what it is and act as

Room this is now
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MS. MESSINA:
All I am trying to do is --
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THE COURT: Granted you are putting it in.
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understand it.
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expected this would have been cleared up on Friday.
I don't
We went through all this on Thursday and I
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MS. MESSINA: I am not certain how to put this.
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MR. JONES:
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You can't put it in because it is
hearsay.
MS. MESSINA: I am going to ask -- the foundation I
laid is Mr. DeFreitas is frustrated by the fact -- let me back
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up. Mr. Francis is testifying that it wasn't a setback.
The
fact that Mr. Kadir said it was just something temporary and
it didn't mean that the matter was getting interrupted.
conversations -- documents help Mr. Defreitas.
said let's call back Kadir and find out what really happened
and what went wrong in the conversation.
again they are not interested.
So there's no mistake, as the government claims, and Francis
testified today, that Kadir was lying when he said they
These
Defreitas
Kadir tells him
The folks aren't interested.
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weren't interested and that he actually or that DeFreitas in
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interpreting what Kadir says, he's out of the plan.
12
was actually a lie.

MR. JONES:
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Impeaching or refreshes recollection.
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If it is impeaching I don't how this impeaches.
15
I don't remember.
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if they don't say I don't remember.
He didn't say
You can't refresh somebody's recollection
MS. MESSINA:
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That that
But he specifically said when I asked
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him to look at the transcript to see if it refreshes his
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recollection, leaving out at a lot of -- and that doesn't help
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him.
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about authenticity, CD, this was given to us by the
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government.
I think I should -- first of all, there is no argument
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MR. MILLER: We are not arguing authenticity.
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MS. MESSINA: All I am trying to do is lay a
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foundation so he can use this to refresh his recollection, the
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conversation that occurred that day, and as to whether or not
to attribute to Mr. DeFreitas, him specifically, to call back
Mr.
Kadir to find out what went wrong.
MR. MILLER:
It is hearsay as to whether Mr.
Defreitas said what went wrong.
getting out before he testified very clearly Mr. Kadir said to
him it is on hold, it is too sensitive right now.
at this transcript what it says here is the guy, Kadir, says
they love the idea, they thought it was great, they just don't
The issue who is you were
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want to do it right now.
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prior tape an entirely consistent with what this witness'
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testimony -- so what are we doing.
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statement.
MS. MESSINA: The part that is inconsistent -- I said
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it wasn't a setback.
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THE COURT:
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Consistent with the
THE COURT: So it is not prior inconsistent
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That is end.
If you look
It is just assuming -That is your interpretation move on.
I'm not going to allow it.

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(The following took place in open court)
THE COURT:
Ladies and gentlemen, I remind you that only items
Objection is sustained.
that are actually admitted in evidence are for you to
consider.
be considered by you as evidence.

Any questions to which I sustain an objection is not
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Items that are marked for identification are not to
evidence.
Again, at the end of the case I'm going to be giving
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additional instructions as what is evidence and what is not
11
evidence, and how you may consider the different kinds of
12
evidence that will have been presented to you during the
13
course of the trial.

You may continue, Ms. Messina.
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Mr. Francis, you do call Mr. Kadir later than that day
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don't you?
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Yes, Sheikh Mohammed asked me to.
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And Sheikh Mohammed specifically wanted to know what
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happened at the chicken farm?
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Sheikh Abdul Kadir.
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Abdul Kadir?
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Yes.
25
Mr. Kadir repeated to him, and you were listening, what
He wanted to hear it from the source, which was actually
And it was after that point -- oh, and you did reach
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he had said to you earlier, correct, that the folks weren't
ready to get involved with us?
they felt that he was -- that Sheikh Mohammed's avenue was a
better avenue, but it was sensitive.
put on hold for now.
correct?
No.
He mentioned that the folks liked the idea, that
So it would have to be
So, again, he said they weren't ready to do this now,
He said they were interested, but not right now.
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sensitive.
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explains to you why he is saying it is sensitive?
It was
Later on.
And again, there's nothing on tape where Mr. Kadir
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MR. JONES:
Objection.
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Now, at this point after these conversations, was Mr.
16
Kadir that you and Mr. Defreitas decide you've got to get back
17
to Abdul Wahab, correct -- to call him?
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Abdul Wahab because Abdul Wahab had mentioned that Abdul Kadir
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accomplished something, then it would Usama and then it would
21
be him and still it was Abdul Nur on the pictures, so it was
22
Sheikh Mohammed's decision actually which way he wanted this
23
to go; not mine.
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and Mr. Defreitas -- were reaching out to Mr. Wahab to talk
Sheikh Mohammed told me that he wanted to get in touch
And so now, you were reaching out to -- you meaning you
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about his contact?
You said Mr. Usama, correct, is that what happened.
Yes.
And you were anxious -- you, not Mr. DeFreitas, you were
anxious to call Mr. Wahab yourself, weren't you.
thing to keep going, and he was the one who asked me to call
Kadir back.
interest meaning Sheikh --
Sheikh Mohammed was anxious.
He actually wanted this
He asked me to call Wahab it was his best
10
But it was also your best interest to make sure this plot
11
proceeded?
12
That is not correct.
13
Didn't you on your own call Mr. Wahab ten times on the
14
morning of March 18th?
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trying to do that.
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is that correct?
19
I don't remember that.
20
Do you recall trying to call Mr. Wahab ten times that
21
morning?
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Wahab, and that is what I was doing.
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Did you call him ten times?
25
I don't recall the amount of calls. I'm sorry.
I asked by Sheikh Mohammed to reach Abdul Wahab and I was
And when you did those calls Mr. Defreitas was not there;
You have to help my recollection.
I remember Sheikh Mohammed instructed me to call Abdul
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saying I was calling until I reached Abdul Wahab because it
was instructions of Sheikh Mohammed that I should call.
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MS. MESSINA: Judge, I would ask that I.D. 62 be

played for the witness only to refresh his recollection.
THE COURT:
I'm sorry.
Can I see counsel, please,
at the side bar.

(Continued on next page
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(The following took place at side bar)
MS. MESSINA: I'm sorry.
Him just saying --
testify, Mr. Francis, and he's calling a number -- calling
Abdul Wahab.
There's no -- - even then there's a series --
THE COURT:
Denied.
MS. MESSINA: Judge.
THE COURT:
No.
Counsel, this is back to the same thing.
You want to play this in front of the jury.
evidence to refresh his recollection.
That is so
10
inappropriate.
11
to handle the machinery and I can't trust that something's
12
going to come out inadvertently.
13
the bottom line is that there's nothing inconsistent with what
14
he said.
15
It is inappropriate.
It is not
You have not been able
Bottom line is excuse me --
He says that he kept calling until he reached Wahab.

MS. MESSINA:
My point is it is to show that he
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himself was anxious.
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THE COURT:
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MS. MESSINA: Judge, there is no another --
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THE COURT: This is --
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MS. MESSINA: In the transcript.
Denied.
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specifically I am trying to --
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with that transcript?
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MR. JONES:
He says
can I refresh his recollection
He just said he called again and again,
what difference does it make?

MS. MESSINA:
How is that impeaching?
I think ten times is different.
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THE COURT:
It is not impeachment.
(End of side bar).
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Let's go.
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(open court)
BY MS. MESSINA:
you tried calling him many times?
would like to see some recollection of that.
Okay.
Mr. Francis, you did reach him on that date when
I don't know that I have to -- actually, like I said, I
THE COURT: Did you eventually reach Mr. Wahab?
THE WITNESS:
Eventually. I don't know
if it was that day, but I did.

THE COURT:
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11
Yes, I did.
Did you try calling him several times
before you reached him?
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THE WITNESS:
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THE COURT:
Yes.
Next question.
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And did you talk to about the chicken farm?
15
I believe so.
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know how the conversation went about -- what exactly what was
17
spoken about it and I tell you exactly what he meant.
I can't recall.
I have to
MS. MESSINA: Judge, may I show -- mark this Defense
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I am not sure.
X for identification and show it to Mr. Francis?

THE COURT:
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Yes, you may.
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Can you take a look at that (handing)?
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Sure (perusing).
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When you are done paging through it, can you look up?
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Have you finished reading or looking at the document, Mr.
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Francis?
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Yes.
Does that refresh your recollection?
Yes.
As to?
Yes.
And did you talk to Mr. Wahab that day about a chicken
form.
Yes.
And didn't you ask him about whether he -- what
10
Mr. Chico's (ph) final position was about this chicken farm?
11
Yes.
12
And did he give you a definite answer about that?
13
He say that he was dealing with the matter at the time
14
and that he'll get back on me with regard to the chicken farm.
15
Meaning -- "he" meaning Usama.

MS. MESSINA:
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Judge, I want -- my next line of
17
questioning will require playing a tape in evidence 217 T.
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I'm just wondering if you want to do it now or should we take
19
a break?
THE COURT: Let's go now.
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Now, after this originally -- withdrawn.
22
At some later date you called Mr. Kadir again and
23
there's a conversation about offering him a ticket to go to
24
Trinidad; is that correct?
25
Sheikh Mohammed asked that instead of Abdel Nur it would
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be a better idea to actually bring Abdul Kadir -- Sheikh Abdul
Kadir to Trinidad instead Abdel Nur.
the one that said instead of giving Abdel Nur the third ticket
that the ticket should go to Sheikh Abdul Kadir.
Mr. DeFreitas was not trusting him at that point about going
to Trinidad?
quality of the individual that actually will be better for
So Sheikh Mohammed is
About Abdel Nur, why was it that, if you know,
It was not a matter of trust, it was a matter of the
10
Sheikh Mohammed to present the JFK plot to Abu Bakr.
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that made DeFreitas reluctant?
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Sheikh Abdul Kadir even though they both had grounded their
15
roots --
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with Abu Bakr.
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scholarships and counselman and so forth, he felt more at ease
18
being in Trinidad with Abdul Kadir than he was with Abdul Nur.
19
What do you mean that Mr. Kadir obtained scholarships?
20
He graduated from college.
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Nur which wasn't.
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ever saw Mr. Abdu Bakr was.
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personally but he had spoken to him, though.
What was it about the quality of individual Mr. Nur was
Abdul Nur was a less successful citizen than he was
both Sheikh Abdul Kadir and Abdul Nur were grounded

The fact that Sheikh Abdul Kadir had the same
He was graduated man.
Abdul
By the way, Mr. Kadir, did he tell you the last time he
He said it was three years since he had seen him
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Is that recorded in the conversations that you recorded?
I am not sure.
I can't recall everything I record.
offering him a ticket to go to Guyana, is it correct you did
not mention the reason was to have him connect you with Abu
Bakr?
I don't believe so, but
When you had that conversation with Mr. Kadir about
THE COURT: Sustained as to form.
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I have to look.
In your conversation -THE COURT:
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Compound question.
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In your conversation with Mr. Kadir about offering him a
12
third ticket to go to Trinidad; isn't that correct?
13
We had a conversation about it, yes.
14
And isn't it fact you asked him if he wanted a ticket to
15
go?
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Sheikh Mohammed asked me to ask him.
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And you did?
18
Under the instructions of Sheikh Mohammed -- Sheikh
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Mohammed, of course.
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the reason you were asking him to go to Trinidad?
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not what I was asked.
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conversation involved, again, the building of the mosque for
And in that conversation did you mention, specifically,
I don't recall in the first conversation because that was
Isn't it correct, Mr. Francis, that notes of that
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him and collecting money in the States to help with the
building a mosque?
same token there was JFK plot, of course.
you had with Mr. Kadir the issue of what's going on with the
mosque in terms of you and Mr. Defreitas soliciting help,
doesn't usually come up in every conversation?
That is correct.
There was a lot of dealings.
At the
If you recall, in fact, in most of the conversations that
MR. JONES: Objection.
10

Does the issue -- can you tell us whether in phone
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12
conversations you had with Mr. Kadir from the United States,
13
doesn't he generally ask about what's happening with the
14
mosque?
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mosque to know what is going on with the mosque.
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involved in the Majid (ph) Hoie case H-O-I-E on the Van Wyck
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Expressway in Jamaica; isn't that correct?
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Majid to the people.
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in power or in position to do something from a mosque?
24
Several people.
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And didn't you and Mr. Defreitas tell
It his major interest, of course, for the funding of the
And you do eventually present his plan a -- to someone
I didn't.
It was Sheikh Mohammed that introduced the
So you learned that Sheikh Mohammed did approach someone
Not only that one.
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Mr. Kadir there
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was a rich woman in the United States who had money that she'd
be willing to donate for the mosque?
Sheikh Mohammed told him that.
Was that a real person or was that something you were
just telling Mr. Kadir?
person that had the answer to that was Sheikh Mohammed.
woman, or not?
I didn't tell him that.
It was Sheikh Mohammed. The only
So you don't know it that was a real person, the rich
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I guess, as I said, I don't know that.
11
Mohammed's that actually mentioned it and I never met with the
12
woman, and I don't know if she's a real or not real.
13
one who spoke about the woman.
He's the
MS. MESSINA: I'd like to play a part of 217 in your
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transcript, Mr. Francis turn to that.
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THE COURT: Beginning where?
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MS. MESSINA: From the first line.
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It was Sheikh
That's page two.
May I play it, Judge?
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THE COURT:
Yes.
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wants to go to Trinidad and it is first time of you and
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Mr. Defreitas -THE COURT:
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So at in this point when you're asking Mr. Kadir if he
It is Mr. Defreitas speaking.
When Mr. Defreitas is asking if he want to go Trinidad
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it's the first time Mr. Defreitas is being approached with
this idea to get a ticket to go to Trinidad?
Yes.
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Now, do you know, Mr. Francis, how Mr. DeFreitas --
withdrawn -- how Mr. Kadir knows Bilal?
back to Trinidad, used to live in the same quarters, and they
both used to belong to Sheikh Abu Bakr's group.
It was mentioned to me that Sheikh Kadir and Bilal go
10
Are you saying Mr. DeFreitas told you he belonged to
11
Sheikh --
12
MS. WHALEN:
Objection.
13
14
Sheikh Abu Bakr's group, you are referring to jam J-A-M?
15
Yes.
16
And to your knowledge, two this person Bilal in New York
17
had nothing to do with the chicken farm plot; is that correct?
18
To my understanding.
19
20
Why, if you know, is Mr. Defreitas mentioning a guy named
21
Ramadan, a plumber?
22
23
was working under the Bilal painting and refixing some houses
24
that were under Bilal's detail as Bilal is a real estate
25
agent, as well as he fixes.
Ramadan is a knowledgeable Muslim brother that actually
He has, like, a construction
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group that would actually fix houses as well.
mentioning Ramadan to Mr. Kadir?

MR. JONES:
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5
Why, if you know, is Bilal -- rather, Mr. DeFreitas,
Objection.
If you know?
(Tape played); (Tape stopped).
Now, Mr. Kadir is asking if you gave the plans to the
brother and asking if he was excited about it.
Do you know
10
who he's referring to there?
11
He didn't ask me the question.
12
I am asking if you know who he's referring to there?
13
No, I don't.
He asked Sheikh Mohammed.
(Tape played) : (Tape stopped)
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15
So if you're understanding Mr. Defreitas from listening
16
to this conversation -- I'm sorry -- Mr. Francis,
17
Mr. DeFreitas was referring to the Ramadan as someone who
18
could help build a mosque in Guyana?
19
20
Ramadan and that with his expertise in plumbing he will be
21
great asset to help build the mosque.
He mentioned that -- he mentioned the Masjid to Sheikh
22
23
Mr. Francis, had you or did you know if Mr. Kadir
24
actually purchased a plot for the mosque in Guyana?
25
Purchased what.
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Land?
I don't know that.
So you didn't go to visit the land where the mosque was
to be built?
masjid was supposed to be built.
it or not.
to Mr. Kadir at that time of him using the ticket to Trinidad
Sheikh Kadir took us to a place where supposedly the

I don't know if he purchased
I have no knowledge of that.
Now, in that conversation we just heard there was no talk
10
to meet Abu Bakr was there?
11
That's correct.
12
MS. MESSINA: Okay.
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MS. MESSINA:
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THE COURT:
16
Remember, ladies and gentlemen, not to talk about
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Shall I go on, Judge?
No.
Let's take our mid morning break.
the case among yourselves or with anyone else.

Keep an open mind.
Don't draw any opinions or
conclusions about the case.

Remember, that you can't use your cell phones during
21
this break and you certainly can't do any kind of research or
22
look at listen to or view any kind of media, whether it is
23
cell phones, or otherwise about anything that might be
24
connected with this case.
25
start up again. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
So let's look at about 11:45 to
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(Whereupon, the jury exited the courtroom)
THE COURT: Everyone can have a seat just for a
minute. All right. Mr. Francis, you can take a break, too.
will bring you back as soon as we are ready.
We
THE WITNESS:
Thank you.
(Witness exited courtroom)
THE COURT: We will take a break and you'll be -- I
hope I can get you on this other issue with respect to the
transcript. Also Ms. Messina had requested when we broke on
10
Thursday for the Court to be provided with courtesy copies of
11
any transcripts that you thought that you might be using
12
during the course of the trial to refresh recollections and I
13
just have what you handed up today.
14
MS. MESSINA: That is all I think I'll be using.
15
THE COURT: You used something else earlier that I
16
17
don't seems to have a copy of.

MS. MESSINA: One thing I asked about, Judge, had no
18
transcript. I may be using some of the 302s.
19
like those?
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THE COURT:
Would the Court
I have the 302s, as long as I know what
the 3500 is number is. All right. Say in about ten minutes.
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CONTINUED CROSS-EXAMINATION
BY MS. MESSINA:
THE COURT:
parties are present.
not present.
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This is case on trial continued, same

The jury is not present.
The witness is
With respect to the portion of the transcript 223-T
that Ms. Messina sought to introduce and play for the jury, as
I understand it, pages 40 through 52; am I correct?
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MS. MESSINA:
THE COURT:
Mr. Nkrumah.
Yes, Judge.
Did you want to make --
Any additional argument?
MR. NKRUMAH:
The only thing I want to add was in
13
response to the government's --
14
government had said.
15
I did cut off,
a couple of things the
The government is correct, we did originally file to
16
have those portions excluded, but as the court will note, it
17
is on the transcript we withdrew the motion pertaining to this
18
particular recording.
19
motions pertaining to this particular recording.
20
Your Honor, yes, we withdraw our
Also, we believe this tape should be admitted, at
21
least that portion of the tape should be admitted to complete
22
the full understanding of the participants, including
23
Mr. Kadir's thoughts in this matter, where he stood and the
24
fact which can also lead to other questions pertaining to if
25
Mr. Francis believed this was Mr. Kadir not being honest or
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being honest, we believe that's a question for the jury to
answer and not Mr. Francis or the government.
portion of the tape should come into evidence and be judged
and decided upon by the jury.
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MS. MESSINA:
May I add one particular portion I
did not read into the record?
THE COURT:
MS. MESSINA:
We believe this
Sorry?
I would like to add one particular
portion I didn't read into the record this morning that I
10
think goes directly to relevancy, state of mind, an exception
11
to the hearsay.
12
Kadir is next to him saying and agreeing, adopting his
13
comments.
14
there are a lot of groups killing the innocent people,
15
brother.
16
different opinion if, if I correctly understood your respect
17
for Bin Laden and all who are in that line of Al Qaeda, but
18
tonight because you are leaving brothers, there's a
19
parenthetical, refers to the fact Anas and Defreitas are
20
taking off for Trinidad the next day, I want to make sure --
21
and about to see, trying to see Abu Bakr, I want to make sure
22
our opinion is we are not with Al Qaeda.
23
in the collective, we, and we do not support Al Qaeda, not
24
because they are fighters, their policy is wrong.
25
as I told you, if you want America out of your country, do
On page 42, again Hussein is making comments,
On line 20, Kadir says mmm mm, on 22 Hussein says,
We discussed this, but I don't know, he had maybe
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what this Imam Khomeni did, clean your government.
I would argue that's a very relevant passage.
The
whole flow of this conversation continues in that vein.
for completeness as the people already introduced the first
part of this conversation and this is a part that continued,
and for the fact it goes specifically to Mr. Kadir's state of
mind in that it will be established he's the teacher of this
man, a teacher he stands, lives, documents what the student
said, after espousing views.
Both
It's established, or will be established, Rule 3500
10
11
material by Francis, that Hussein was present and he knows
12
when the plan is presented.

THE COURT:
13
But he's not a coconspirator.
He's not
14
at all involved in the plan.
15
nosy seems to indicate he was an intruder into their meeting.
16
MR. NKRUMAH:
17
THE COURT:
The statement that he was being
May I?
Which actually seems to indicate they
18
would not be doing anything to talk more in furtherance of the
19
plan if in front of one who is not part of the plan.
20
Hussein's statements are rank hearsay.
21
"mmm mm" which analysis says at various points, "mmm mm,"
22
isn't necessarily an adoption what somebody says.

MS. MESSINA:
23
The mere statement of
We're not claiming Mr.
Hussein is a
24
coconspirator, not admitting to this as coconspirator
25
statement.
We're saying exception to the hearsay, it goes to
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Mr. Kadir's state of mind, besides saying mmm mm, Mr. Kadir
finishes the same sentence.
about he used to kill children.
Where did Bin Laden get the authority --
THE COURT:
MS. MESSINA:
On page 41; Hussein is talking

How could he become a lion?
What page?
Page 41, the bottom, Judge.
He says
where did Bin Laden get the authority of other people to kill
other people, especially killing the Muslims.
especially in the west, we need to be very careful, Kadir
Because of that
10
said, finishing the thought of his student.
11
sitting by, he's actually coaxing, listening, part of this as
12
a teacher would be.
13
On 42 --
14
THE COURT:
15
MS. MESSINA:
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It shows he's not
He's not coaxing anything.

He's finishing the thought.
On 42,
line 41 -THE COURT:

transcript.
I've heard enough.
I read the
I'll hear from the government.
MR. JONES:
I'm not aware of the teacher/student
20
exception to the hearsay rule, not a coconspirator, not on
21
trial here.
22
The government moves to oppose the defense motion to include
23
anything that's not already introduced into evidence.
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Mr. Hussein's views on Al Qaeda are irrelevant.
MS. MESSINA:
not saying --
I want to be perfectly clear.
this is an exception to the hearsay rule.
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THE COURT:
MS. MESSINA:
THE COURT:
3224
Which exception to the hearsay rule?

State of mind.
It does not.
Where is there in Rule
803(3) or any other rule for that matter, that allows for the
adoption of intent by virtue of what somebody else says,
especially someone who is not a coconspirator?

MS. MESSINA:
Reading it in its entirety, knowing
the background, relation of the parties, it's implicit in
what's happening.
10
MR. JONES:
We disagree, Judge.
11
THE COURT:
I agree with the government on this
12
one.
The statements, in essence, what the defense seeks to
13
introduce, the statements of Hussein, who is not a
14
coconspirator, who is not a party to this action, the defense
15
claims these statements demonstrate Kadir's then existing
16
intent, Rule 803(3) creates a hearsay exception for a
17
statement that the declarant's then existing state of mind or
18
intent.
19
(Pause.)
20
THE COURT:
The parties refer to In Re Worldcom,
21
Inc. securities litigation, 2005 Westlaw 375315 at 9, under
22
803(3), the existence of intention may be proven by evidence
23
of the person's own statements as to its existence.
24
Introducing the statements of a third party to include the
25
declarant's then existing state of mind defeats the rationale
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behind the 803(3) exception which is that the person's own
statements as to their intent are sufficiently reliable to be
admissible even if made out of court.
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6
With respect to the completeness, the court

disagrees with the argument raised by the defense.
MR. NKRUMAH:
Your Honor, was that cited the court
just has given to counsel, does that cite also pertain to
statements that have been adopted?
has adopted the statements --
10
THE COURT:
I disagree.
It is our claim Mr. Kadir
There's nothing in here
11
that shows necessarily that he has adopted the statement,
12
especially in light of the fact that subsequent conversations
13
show that he hasn't adopted the conversations, that he hasn't
14
abandoned the plan nor does he at all in any of the subsequent
15
conversations repeat any of the substance of this conversation
16
against Al Qaeda or anything else.
17
argument on that.
18
19
I'm not hearing anymore
I've made my ruling.
MS. MESSINA:
I want to ask about statements that
he actually made, whether I can ask Mr. Francis about that.
20
THE COURT:
Who actually made?
21
MS. MESSINA:
Mr. Kadir.
In the earlier part of
22
this conversation that is already in evidence, Mr. Kadir
23
instructs Francis about the contradictory nature or rather the
24
wrongness of destroying institutions when no institutions have
25
been created.
He starts that conversation.
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THE COURT:
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That's part of the transcript that I
just ruled about.
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MS. MESSINA:
THE COURT:
MS. MESSINA:
Which earlier transcript?

223-T that's in evidence, start
talking about that.
THE COURT:
MS. MESSINA:
Where?
THE COURT:
10
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Also part of an earlier transcript.
He begins the conversation earlier.
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I have to find it.

I have the transcript.
Just tell me
where it is.
12
MS. MESSINA:
13
THE COURT:
I just have to get to my book.

This should have been raised with the
14
court on Friday.
15
on this issue, taking up jury time.
16
Friday.
17
there's absolutely no reason why this wasn't presented to me.
18
We've already spent more than half an hour

I was here all day
This was something that you want to start on today,
MS. MESSINA:
Page 15, Judge, the top, he starts
19
talking about what's to be gained from the project.
20
this whole colloquy or conversation where mostly Kadir is
21
instructing Anas about the ways that Islam is defensive,
22
should not act on the offensive when they built no
23
institutions to defend.
24
continuation is in the document that we showed you on page 43,
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Kadir says, again, that I was telling the brothers, too.
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already referring back to that conversation, is that the
difference between Hezbollah and let's say us, for example, is
that in Lebanon Hezbollah over the years has created
institutions of Islam.
then they defend what they've created.
west, we have not created anything.
what are we defending?
In Guyana, in the
Hussein says yes.
Kadir,
What are we defending?
I submit those --
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9
If those institutions are attacked,
this is a continuation of a
conversation in evidence I will go over with Mr. Francis and
10
that the defense, for completion, and also continuation of his
11
thoughts to be allowed to bring in that statement which again
12
goes to his state of mind.

MR. JONES:
13
I don't know what counsel means
14
bringing in the statement.
15
evidence.
16
to the witness, stand and read something from a document not
17
in evidence and I object.
18
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20
She can ask Mr. Francis what's in
She shouldn't be then getting up and read something
MS. MESSINA:
I'm asking to put it in up to at
least page 43.

THE COURT:
I already denied that.
If you want to
21
go back to page 15, question him more about that, that's fine.
22
You're welcome to do that.
23
making any kind of statements in front of the jury about
24
playing something that is not in evidence.
25
refresh the witness' recollection with respect to anything,
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then that's fine.
him the document and ask him to read it and ask him if that
refreshes his recollection.
Please refrain from testifying.
MS. MESSINA:
THE COURT:
Fine, Judge.
Are we ready?
We can bring in
Mr. Francis?
MR. JONES:
(Witness enters courtroom.)
THE COURT:
Yes, your Honor.
Please send for the jury.
(Jury enters courtroom.)
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11
THE COURT:
12
ladies and gentlemen.
Everyone may be seated.
14
and properly seated?
15
MR. JONES:
16
MR. NKRUMAH:
17
MS. WHALEN:
18
THE COURT:
Yes, your Honor.
Yes, your Honor.

This is continued cross-examination of
Mr. Francis, welcome back.
I remind you, sir, you
are still under oath.
22
THE WITNESS:
23
THE COURT:
24
MS. MESSINA:
25
Yes, your Honor.
Mr. Francis by Ms. Messina on behalf of Mr. Kadir.
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Welcome back,
Do all the parties agree all our jurors are present
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Just show
Yes.
You may inquire when ready.
Thank you, Judge.
Mr. Francis, before you went back to Guyana, you had a
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meeting with a person in New York named Mohammed; is that
correct?
Which time I went to Guyana?
In April of 2007.
Okay.
Do you remember having a meeting with someone named
Mohammed and you were with Mr. Defreitas as well, you remember
that?
I don't recall.
10
Do you remember going to the Crown Plaza Hotel at 151-20
11
Basley Boulevard in Queens?
12
Yes.
13
You went there approximately in April or can you tell us
14
whether you went there in approximately April with
15
Mr. Defreitas?
16
I went at some point.
17
Do you remember what you did at that particular hotel?
18
I believe we had a meeting.
19
Who did you have the meeting with?
20
Sheik Mohammed and I met with someone named Mohammed,
21
yes.
22
23
who was he?
24
He was an undercover for the FBI.
25
Did you know you were meeting with an undercover from the
I would like to know which time exactly.
I can't tell you exactly the date.
Not Sheik Mohammed, this other Mohammed you were meeting,
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FBI at that location on that day?
Yes.
What was the point of meeting with that undercover?
It was a matter of Sheik Mohammed was looking for
investors here on the wood and other things as well.
wood?
That's what Sheik Mohammed talked about.
What was your understanding why you were meeting with
Did you meet the FBI agent to talk about investing in
10
that man?
11
I had to do so.
12
In terms of that conversation with that man, didn't you
13
also speak about him providing money in order to help you and
14
Mr. Defreitas to buy a plane ticket to go back to Trinidad?
15
16
interest in the wood and others and had expressed to him how
17
important Guyana is, that cricket was going on.
18
that meeting that I remember, Sheik Mohammed had invited the
19
other Mohammed to Guyana.
20
travel to Guyana to the cricket as I remember.
21
22
Guyana for cricket, is that what you're saying?
23
24
telling you what he was asked by Sheik Mohammed and he agreed,
25
was waiting to travel to Guyana in terms of the cricket as
Sheik Mohammed at that point had expressed to him his
They were going --
I believe in
he was going to
This man, who was really an FBI agent, was going to
I don't know what actually his instructions were.
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Mohammed instructed him.
up about Chicken Farm?
I don't recall.
Do you recall if anything came up during that
conversation about this man needing money or rather wanting to
have access to money to move through Anas Masjid to go to
Pakistan, Afghanistan?
Do you recall if during that conversation anything came
10
If you have anything to read, I might remember.
11
MS. MESSINA:
I would like to mark this as Defense
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Exhibit G.
May I approach the witness?
This is Defendant's
13
Exhibit G, Government Exhibit 3500-SF-132.
14
May I approach the witness, your Honor?
15
THE COURT:
16
(Handing).
17
Thank you.
Yes, you may.
(Pause.)
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19
Thank you again.
20
Does that refresh your recollection as to the
21
conversation that was had that day?
22
Yes, definitely.
23
Did Mr. Defreitas talk about the Abdul Kadir building,
24
wanting to build a mosque to this alleged businessman?
25
Yes.
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Did this man, Mohammed, present himself as a businessman
that day?
Yes.
Did you know that day he was an FBI agent?
Yes, I knew he was an FBI agent, or undercover.
know exactly his role in the FBI.
Did you record this conversation?
Yes, as you refresh my memory, yes.
Are you sure you recorded it?
10
I don't
Did you wear a body wire to this meeting?

I'm not sure.
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12
something else.
13
They didn't display a recording, showed me
I'm asking you
--
withdrawn.
Did you record this conversation when you met with
14
15
this man?
16
I'm not sure.
17
Insofar as those recordings go, was it completely up to
18
you whether or not you recorded conversations?
19
20
according to maybe I didn't have the recording device ready
21
for me to record.
22
I can't remember right now.
It's not completely up to me.
Where did you get the recording device from?

THE COURT:
23
There were many variables,
Let him finish the answer.
24
There are many variables.
25
safety, has to do with if the recording device may be on and
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it's not working.
could according to the ability and my instructions.
did that depend on your own decision; is that correct?
had the recording device, I would place it on and I would
record.
I would do as much as I can to comply to instructions I'm
given.
I wouldn't say that.
I was instructed to record.
If I
If it's working or not working, it's not on my part.
THE COURT:
Who made the determination in terms of
safety whether the situation would be safe to record?
12
THE WITNESS:
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THE COURT:
14
I did as much as I
In determine those various factors whether it was safe,
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11
I don't know that.
Actually -In other words, was that up to you or
did you have to consult with the FBI on that?

THE WITNESS:
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At some points I consulted with them.
16
On some points according to the situation that is going on,
17
maybe I couldn't get out to actually turn the device on, I had
18
to turn it on to see it's on so I had to actually pull it out
19
of my pocket.
20
right now, I have to excuse myself, I really can't excuse
21
myself because the conversation is going, then I wouldn't be
22
able to turn it on.
23
hands in my pocket, it hasn't worked.
Sometimes I have tried to do it with my
Sometimes it's not basically my call, I don't want
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If I'm caught up in a situation where I'm here
to do it.
Sometimes you're not able to move in that position
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where actually you can do it safely, then instructed to talk.
Sometimes there's some that doesn't say Steven Francis because
I'm able to turn it on, but I don't have it on my mouth to say
Steven Francis.
different times.
It has been like different issues at
THE COURT:
You may continue.
MS. MESSINA:
Thank you, Judge.
On some occasions, too, do you turn it on, anticipating
rather in advance of the meeting because you know you'll be
10
meeting some people you might want to record, does that
11
happen, too?
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13
Sometimes the person would be right behind, like very far and
14
gives me enough time to actually pull the wire out, say what I
15
have to say and gives me enough time.
16
right next to me so I can't really do it.
17
very risky situation.
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19
What were you supposed to do with them?
20
21
them.
22
Are they on small cassettes?
23
No.
24
How are they recorded?
25
They're recorded in a way that I have no access to the
Like I said, when it's a foreseeable time, I would do it.
Sometimes the person is

It is like I said a
It must be handled with care.
What were your instructions once you made the recordings?
I'm supposed to return them back.
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recording at all.
handlers so they would have control of the recordings?
can actually access to the recorder but the FBI.
Did you have to save different days on different types of
storage devices that are in the tape recorder?
record?
Did you have to send actually or give something to your
I have to return it back to Louie Napoli because nobody
The technology of this is what I'm trying to understand.
How did you
10
Like I said, I don't know if I'm allowed to explain the
11
nature of the wire, but to the extent I can explain to you, no
12
one but the FBI has access to the recording.
13
designed is that there's no way to access the recording unless
14
they access it.
15
it or listening.
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new recording when you go back out or is it just continuing?
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recording is on, it's on.
20
there's nothing at all I can access to.
21
back, whether a full recording or not.
22
many hours I record, if it's full or not, I have to return it
23
back.
24
What is it exactly you return back?
25
Exactly what I'm telling you, whatever is recorded.
The way it's
There's no way of tampering or looking into

I don't even know what I recorded.
Do you have to change something in the recording to get a
No, I cannot tamper or change or add or delete.
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I would not know how
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What I don't understand, do you return the machine on
which everything is recorded, like a tape recorder or do you
return back a disk or cassette or chip or something on to
which the recording is made?
back.
I give back the wire, whatever wire I have on, I'll give
THE COURT:
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on?
He gives back the device.
You give back the device.
Can we move
When you were in Guyana, how
10
did you do that while you were down there for several weeks of
11
time?
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to do that.
14
In Guyana?
15
When I was able to, yes.
16
During the conversation that you refresh your
17
recollection on with this man named Mohammed, you brought up
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whether he would be interested in donating money to the mosque
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that Kadir was trying to construct; is that right?
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had the conversation.
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Was it brought up by --
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Sheik Mohammed.
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Didn't this man Mohammed tell you he wanted, he would
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want to have access to move money through the mosque to
Whenever I could drop off, I had to go to drop off spots
I don't recall bringing it up.
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Pakistan and Afghanistan?
I don't remember that.
Can you look at the paper that's in front of you, the
second paragraph, the second bigger paragraph, see if it
refreshes your recollection?
MR. JONES:
Objection.
THE COURT:
Sustained.
Did that man --
Was it represented to Defreitas that Mohammed was
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withdrawn.
the person who bought you tickets to go to Trinidad?
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MR. JONES:
Objection.
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THE COURT:
Sustained.
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How did you get the tickets to Trinidad?
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Like I said before, the tickets were going to be used for
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Mohammed to travel to Guyana as an invitation from Sheik
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Mohammed to watch the cricket and also learn about the natural
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resources of Guyana and being the fact he couldn't get to
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Guyana for that matter, actually he extended the tickets that
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he was going to use to Sheik Mohammed to use them at his
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disposal.
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The tickets came from Mohammed, this other Mohammed?
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Yes.
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At a later point before you go back to Trinidad,
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Defreitas asks, doesn't Defreitas ask Kadir to set up a bank
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account so people donating money would have a place to put it?
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I know the conversation
was on and between Sheik Mohammed and Sheik Kadir about the
bank account, I don't know who specifically took the position.
I know the best interest was to avoid any scams or anyone to
be actually placed in the position where people believe it was
a scam going on.
yes.
you ask or Mr. Defreitas ask that Mr. Kadir would meet you at
The matter of the bank account came about,
Another thing I wanted to ask you about, Mr. Francis, did
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the airport in Guyana?
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pick us up at the airport and what Sheik Mohammed asked him
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was of concern of his stop before and he actually rectified
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that Sheik Kadir was going to pick us up at the airport, no
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worries of our behalf of traveling to Guyana, he would make
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sure everything is okay, meaning Sheik Kadir.
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you been to Guyana?
In Guyana, when you've gone there, how many times have
THE COURT:
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The conversation is clear Sheik Kadir actually wanted to
In general, in connection with this
case?
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In connection with this case.
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Three times.
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The times that you went through Customs in Guyana, did
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you get through Customs in a speedy way, take a long time?
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How would you describe how long it took to get through Customs
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in Guyana?
take, except on the time Kadir went, we moved a little faster
because his son works in the airport, actually.
airport?
airport.
Did you know his son is a Customs agent in the airport?
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He mentioned he worked in the airport.
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mentioned his son works in the airport.
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I would say the average as a regular individual would
That was my question.
You are aware his son works in the
He told us, yes, Abdul Kadir told us his son works in the
THE COURT:
But Kadir
The time that Kadir --
are you saying
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the time that Kadir arranged for you to be picked up at the
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airport, that time you went through Customs more quickly?

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Actually, he didn't arrange to be
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picked up, actually he was there and his son also as well.
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technologically advanced as the United States?
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That's correct.
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When you go through Customs, do they have electronic
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scanners that read your passport?
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When you went through the three times, didn't people use
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pen and paper to write down the information on the card?
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Is it fair to say that Guyana in some ways is not a
Even if they did on my behalf, it doesn't mean they have
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or don't have this equipment.
you went through Customs?
don't know what exactly are the ins and outs of the airport at
all.
it, with Mr. Kadir's son Salim?
Did you see whether or not they use pen and paper when
I can't recall actually what they use.
I can tell you I
When you go down to Guyana now you spend a full week, is
We went for some time.
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for specifically a week.
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that actually.
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that fair to say?
I can't tell you I actually went
Particular be a little more than
But it was a chunk of time, several days in a low; is
MS. MESSINA:
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I'm going to ask only the witness be
shown an exhibit.
(Pause.)
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Do you have something showing on your screen,
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Mr. Francis?
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Yes.
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Do you recognize that photo or the people depicted in
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that photo?
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I recognize --
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Is that, of the people you recognize, is that a fair and
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accurate depiction of what you remember those people to look
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like or when you knew them?
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These are not the only two family members of Kadir.
has more sons.
that photo, is that a fair and accurate depiction of what you
remember those people to look like?
I'm asking you a very specific question.
MS. MESSINA:
defense in evidence.
THE COURT:
identification.
Judge, I would ask this be marked as
Should we go back to "A"?

No, it's H.
MS. MESSINA:
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THE COURT:
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MS. MESSINA:
Sorry?
Do you have a hard copy?

I have it on disk.
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disk or ask to admit the disk.
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THE COURT:
Exhibit H.
(So marked.)
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THE COURT:
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MS. MESSINA:
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I can admit the
It's deemed marked as Defense
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It's marked for
Do you have a hard copy?
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In looking at
Of the ones I met, yes.
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He
Has the government seen it?

Can we show it on defense monitors
and government monitors?

MR. JONES:
I see the photo.
I don't know what
else is on this disk.
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MR. JONES:
No objection.
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THE COURT:
It's admitted as Defense Exhibit H.
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That's a photograph of whom, sir?
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I believe one of them is Sheik Kadir's
son.
I've seen the female.
female because I did not recall who the female is.
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MS. MESSINA:
I don't recall who exactly is the
Can we publish this photo to the
jury?
THE COURT:
You have to take out your monitors,
ladies and gentlemen, even though it's posted on the
projector:
(Pause.)
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Mr. Francis, who is the man in the red shirt, the bottom
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of the picture?
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one of them is it.
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the other one got in trouble with the law there.
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Do you know how many children he had?
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I don't know exactly the amount.
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than --
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remember.
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Who you met potentially; is that right?
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I met three of the four.
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in the airport and the other one and as well as Salim, which
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actually is the one I was staying in his house.
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I did not interact with her, but she exchanged greetings.
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This is one of Sheik Kadir's sons.
let me see.
I don't know which
I know one of them worked at the airport,
I know there's more
I know there's about four so far that I
One vaguely because he worked
The daughter,
You stayed in Salim's house for that chunk of time; is
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that right?
Yes.
Is that man in the red shirt Salim?
No, it's Salim.
Do you recognize the location of where they're sitting?
It looks familiar, but I imagine just looking at a
stairwell, very difficult to say.
actually it.
Does Salim live in a house or is that also the mosque?
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It's both.
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Can you describe it to us?
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Describe it how?
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What is the inside of it look like?
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It looks like a house.
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Is there furniture?
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Some furniture, not a lot of furniture.
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At the time you were there, who else was staying at the
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house?
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Abu Hussein.
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If you know, who is that person?
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I know somewhat of the person, yes, according to what
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they told me, Salim and Sheik Abdul Kadir and also himself.
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I'm asking you if you know who the person is,
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Mr.
Hussein?
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As I said before, according to what Abu Hussein told me
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he was and Salim as well as Sheik Salim and Abdul Kadir.
Who is Hussein?
Hussein is a knowledgeable Muslim from Uzbekistan.
studied in Iran with Sheik Salim.
refugee from Uzbekistan.
Did he also, if you know, study with Sheik Kadir?
According to my understanding he studied with Salim and
his sister in Iran and I know that they exchanged knowledge.
I don't know if they both went together to any school
He
He was in Guyana as a
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also studied with Sheik Kadir?
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Abu Hussein studied in Iran with Salim and they got
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scholarship and they became scholars in Iran as well as the
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sister and I don't know to what extent they have studied
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together, Sheik Abdul Kadir and him have exchanged knowledge.
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the most senior sheik, is it fair to say of this particular
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sect?
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Kadir.
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talking about age?
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I'm talking about knowledge.
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I don't know that.
I'm asking when he was in Guyana, do you know if Hussein
Like I said before, my understanding it's clear
In the area when you were staying there, was Sheik Kadir
I wouldn't say that --
I don't know how old is Sheik
At this point you're talking about knowledge or
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the Shia Muslim faith?
Did you meet anyone in Linden who had more knowledge of
MR. JONES:
Objection.
THE COURT:
Sustained.
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THE COURT:
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Where is this going and the other
thing, if you're going to introduce photographs, you have to
have a hard copy of the photographs.
MS. MESSINA:
THE COURT:
The whole CD does not go in evidence,
just the pertinent part.

I don't know what the relevance is of this
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photograph, where you're going here.

MS. MESSINA:
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to remember and recall.
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picture of Salim.
I would like to establish his ability

He did that in part because that is a
He didn't recognize him.
MR. JONES:
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I know.
Where is the picture, from 2007,
correct?
He didn't recognize it.
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MS. MESSINA:
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The other thing while we're here, Judge, I have
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shown to the government and I would like to introduce a very
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short video taken at the mosque so he could identify that's
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the mosque where he was when he showed Mr. Kadir --
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THE COURT:
Why do we need all of this?
What is
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the relevance?
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was a side project to build a mosque; that there had been
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other conversations in connection with building the mosque;
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that a lot of the conversations were interspersed with
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building of the mosque.
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Nobody is contesting, that I've heard, that
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Why are we getting into a little mini trial about
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whether or not there was going to be a mosque built?
the relevance of this?
MS. MESSINA:
What is
It's our defense Kadir was only
interested in engaging with this man Defreitas and Francis so
that he could promote --
people in the United States to help promote the mosque.
time he said to them, yes I'm interested, yes, I'm looking for
good people, it was a fraud --
so is that they could connect him to
they would not abandon him and
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his project to build this mosque.
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mosque is relevant to that defense.

THE COURT:
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Every
The legitimizing of the
In the first place, we're getting into
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a side issue here.
As I already said, I never heard once the
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government argue this was not a real project.
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already testified that he was actually taken by Kadir to a
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place where there was land that the mosque was going to be
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built on.
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on cross-examination where he's looking to bring people who
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are in construction, willing to help to actually build this
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mosque.
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has absolutely nothing to do with the plot and everything to
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do with building the mosque.
Francis has
There was the Defreitas conversation replayed now
Kadir is very happy about that.
Francis says this
I don't understand why we're going into a side trial
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about whether or not Kadir wanted to build a mosque.
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been done.
We're going far afield into anything else.
That's
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This would dovetail with an issue the
government brought up which is how at a later conversation
that now they overlap in that they ask Kadir if they could use
his mosque bank account to hold the monies from the sale of
the plot.
THE COURT:
It counters the videotape of the
building of the mosque.
about or plans for using an account for the mosque?
nothing to do with it.
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MS. MESSINA:
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withdraw the question.
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the jurors to give them a sense of space, time, what this
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looks like in context --
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MR. JONES:
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MS. MESSINA:
Does it have anything to do with talk

It has
I understand the court's point.
I would like to at least put in for
Why is that relevant?

Excuse me, through Mr. Kadir, the
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home where the mosque used to be, this is why we needed to
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build a new mosque.
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THE COURT:
I'll
Who cares?
This is a side issue.
This
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is a side issue, Ms. Messina.
He can certainly, if he's going
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to testify, he can testify that he was building a mosque.
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do we need to actually see this?
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he's already testified that he went, he saw the property; that
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they were doing what they could.
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publicize it.
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This is completely going far afield, about this a Hindi trial
Why
Francis has already said,
They printed up flyers to
They were trying to find financing for it.
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about the building of the mosque.

There's ample evidence in the record already, even
on the government's case without any cross, about the fact
there was a legitimate side project about a mosque and the
building of a mosque.
question, at least from what I can see in looking at the
transcripts and I followed along with everybody as they were
being played, that Kadir was interested in building a mosque
and there were steps being taken to further that.
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That doesn't seem to me to be any
MS. MESSINA:
I think graphic projects they can see
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makes it all more interesting just as the government put the
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shots of the defendants.
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face or Mr. Defreitas's face.
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THE COURT:
They didn't need to see our client
Ms. Messina, please.
This is a side
issue, a collateral issue.
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MS. MESSINA:
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THE COURT:
I won't question him anymore.

This is a collateral issue.
Whether or
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not there was a physical site, what the history of this
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project was is really irrelevant to the case at trial here.
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The government is not at all contesting this was something
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that Kadir was really not interested in.
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MS. MESSINA:
I'm concerned they know there's a
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mosque he's staying in, that he stayed in Salim's house, now
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why would they need another mosque if they have this one?
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want them to see what the old mosque looks like.
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Ms. Messina, there's testimony in the
record there was no Shiite mosque in existence in Guyana, that
was Kadir's interest.
evidence better than counsel can.
MS. MESSINA:
It's a crying shame I can recall the
I won't ask anymore.
I do eventually
need to ask him, I'm sure you wouldn't let me on asking the
intermingling of the monies from the two Kadir mosques.

THE COURT:
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with that.
That's fine, I don't have a problem
The side issue like this, we're going to go far
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afield in a case where this witness has already --
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the second week he's here on trial.
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hours he was on trial the first week of trial.
I'm not counting the two
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Let's get to the point.
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Is this an okay place we can stop?
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Their lunches
are here.
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(Open court.)
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THE COURT:
We're going to take a break right here.
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You're still under cross-examination, Mr. Francis.
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discuss your testimony with the government team.
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this is
You can't
You can certainly discuss scheduling, so on, but you

can't discuss your testimony.
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THE WITNESS:
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THE COURT:
Yes.
Your lunches are here as I understand
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it, ladies and gentlemen.
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Remember to keep an open mind, not to talk about the
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case among yourselves or anyone else.
of course, you know the routine, use your cell phone to make
calls to family, work, whatever, check on the kids, check on
the grown-ups, but you can't use it to look up anything or
discuss this case or do any kinds of research, do anything
that might be connected with this case.

You can't read or listen to or hear anything or read
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During the lunch break,
anything that might be connected with this case at all.

Remember to keep an open mind.
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We will see you at approximately 2:00 o'clock.
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You can leave the monitors out just in case we need
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them later.
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(Jury leaves courtroom.)
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THE COURT:
We'll recess until the 2:00 o'clock.
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Mr. Francis, you can take a break from the witness stand as
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well.
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THE WITNESS:
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MR. KAMDANG:
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Thank you.
You asked me Friday to bring up on
the week of August 2nd we're going Tuesday through Friday.

THE COURT:
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Thank you for reminding me.
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little bit in advance, but --
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please.
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It's a
you can all have a seat,
For the week of August 2nd I've reversed the

schedule a little bit.
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I had a number of other matters that I
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just couldn't schedule for a different day that week.
That
week we will work four days but we'll work on Friday.
We will
work the 3rd, the 4th, the 5th and 6th which is Friday.
will tell the jury that.
At this point I think it's kind of early to tell

We don't know where our schedule is
them anything about that.
going to be.
we'll bring them back to deliberate that Monday if need be,
obviously.
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Let's play it by ear.
If they're deliberating,
I'll just interrupt whatever it is that I've got
going if we need to address any juror questions or notes.

The other thing that was mentioned about the other
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witnesses and interrupting the testimony, what's going on with
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that?
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MR. MILLER:
We're attempting to work out a
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stipulation with the defense in connection with at least three
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of the government witnesses from Trinidad in law enforcement.
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I think we made a fair amount of progress.
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correctly, the defense wants to go through the exhibits that
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would be coming in through the stipulation instead of through
20
the witnesses to ensure there were no objections, but once we
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complete that, that ought to moot, I think, at least two of
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the government's law enforcement witnesses, perhaps three.
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We're working on that.
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If I understood it
We also have the scheduling of Dr. Levitt and my

hope is we'll be able to accommodate his schedule, but we'll
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keep the court informed.

One other scheduling issue from the government, as
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your Honor remembers in terms of the jury instruction requests
from the parties, the government had submitted our request of
instructions first and then the defense had provided its
responsive instructions.
letter replying essentially to the new instructions that were
suggested by the defense.
Wednesday if that's okay with the court.

THE COURT:
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We would just like to put in a
We thought we would do that
We have approximately how many more
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witnesses?
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another week's work worth of witnesses from the government?
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I need to know sort of a general figure, at least
I wouldn't say that.
MR. MILLER:
Once this
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witness is done, we have about two days worth of additional
15
testimony, particularly with the stipulation, assuming that
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gets signed.
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cross-examination of this witness, but our hope would be to
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rest by the end of this week or the beginning, the first day
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or two of next week, depends on how much time we get through
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on Wednesday.
Again, it depends a little bit on the
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THE COURT:
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MR. MILLER:
I'll need to remind the jury of that.

To finish our scheduling, the other
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thought given that time frame that perhaps Friday would be a
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good day to have some sort of jury charge conference, I'll
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leave it to the court to determine what the appropriate
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schedule would be, but that would be the suggestion we have.
THE COURT:
I think --
--
Is there going to be a defense case?
MS. WHALEN:
Your Honor, at this point, I'll be
speaking to Mr. Defreitas.
Mr. Kamdang reminded me we would
be calling Mr. Napoli who is Mr. Francis's handler.
I think --
From us,
I don't think he would take more than half a day.
THE COURT:
MS. WHALEN:
Mr. Napoli?
Yes.
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On behalf of Mr. Kadir?
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MR. NKRUMAH:
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possibly two witnesses.
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questioned.
We anticipated Mr. Kadir and one,

We know Mr. Napoli would be
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THE COURT:
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early for a charge conference.
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closer and we have a better idea of what it looks like.
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probably still have the better part of next week, if not all
18
of next week to work with.
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by ear.
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conference the 23rd, which is not this Friday but the
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following Friday.
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case --
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think we should go with that.
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I think this Friday is a little too

We will work it in as we get
We
We'll see how that goes, play it
I would think it sounds closer to having a charge
I think given there may be a defense
again, the defense may change their mind, but we will
I may have to move some things around for the 23rd.
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As our proposed schedule.
Then that
would be summations and charge the 26th.
MR. MILLER:
That would be fine.
Could we then
submit our response perhaps by the morning of July 19th so
that your Honor would have the week to look at it or would you
like it earlier?
day Friday.
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We could also submit it by the end of the
THE COURT:
Friday would be better.
Can you get it
by Friday?
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THE COURT:
Friday on the 16th, thank you.

If there are any additional defense
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charges based on the evidence, also you could supply them by
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Friday.
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THE COURT:
Should we wait to see their reply?

No, we need them simultaneously.
Then
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we can discuss, because otherwise, you all forget I need to
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look at it, review it and compare it to what I've come up
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with.
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Take your lunch break.
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MS. WHALEN:
I'll see you soon.
I was wondering if we could come back
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maybe five minutes earlier and your clerk could show you we
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have worked out the agreement for refreshing recollection with
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the recording.
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be saying "I can't remember the conversation," but I believe
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we worked it out this morning so there wouldn't be any risk of
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the jury hearing.

MR. JONES:
It seems it works smoothest when he's
asked to remember something, he says I don't remember, he's
handed something without identifying it for the whole
courtroom and lets him look through it.
perfectly willing to have his memory refreshed.
doesn't affect it one way or the other.

THE COURT:
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Then he's been

The audio
That seems to be working this way.
Ms. Messina, you can take your documents from the witness
stand.
I don't see any reason to stray from what we have
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been doing thus far.
The questions have to be asked properly
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in the first instance and a lot of what's been asked isn't
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really even refreshing recollection or impeachment.
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(The following occurred in the absence of the jury.)
THE COURT:
Is everybody all set?
MR. JONES:
Yes, Your Honor.
THE COURT:
Except for Mr. Nkrumah.
MS. MESSINA:
THE COURT:
(Mr. Nkrumah now present.)
Please have a seat.
Be seated.
I see everybody is here.
Yes, Your Honor.
Okay.
Why don't we get Mr. Francis.
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THE CLERK:
Are we ready for the jury?
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THE COURT:
Yes.
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THE CLERK:
Okay.
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(The witness is present.)
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THE COURT:
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THE WITNESS:
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THE COURT:
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THE WITNESS:
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(Jury present.)
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THE COURT:
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Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
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We should be, yes.
Do you have enough water?

Yes.
Thank you.
Thank you.
The jury is entering.
I hope you had
a good lunch.
Do all of the parties agree that all of our jurors
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are present and properly seated?
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Government?
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MR. JONES:
Yes, Your Honor.
THE COURT:
The defense?
MS. WHALEN:
MR. NKRUMAH:
THE COURT:
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Yes, Your Honor.

Yes, Your Honor.
This is, again, continued
cross-examination of Mr. Francis by Ms. Messina.
You may take the podium, Ms. Messina.
MS. MESSINA:
THE COURT:
Welcome back, sir.
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THE WITNESS:
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THE COURT:
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Thank you, Judge.
Thank you.
Again, I remind you that you are still
under oath.
THE WITNESS:
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Yes.
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CROSS-EXAMINATION CONTINUES
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BY MS. MESSINA:
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Guyana and staying in the son -- Mr. Kadir's son's house,
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Saleem; do you remember that?
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Yes.
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It was during that time that you showed Mr. Kadir the
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actual downloaded Google map of the airport, is that correct?
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Yes.
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Can you tell us if you had that map blown up or enlarged?
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Yes.
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yes.
Mr. Francis, before lunch we left with you going back to
It was enlarged by instructions of Sheik Mohammed,
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So Mr. DeFreitas asked you to enlarge the map, is
that right?
Yes.
Not Mr. Kadir?
Yes.
You had a conversation with him as you were looking at
that map, correct?
We were all having a conversation, yes.
And none -- can you tell us if that conversation was
He did not ask you to do that?
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recorded?
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refresh my memory.
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that conversation or not?
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my memory on that.
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am just asking you, do you remember --
I can't recall.
We have many conversations.
If you can
So you are telling us you can't recall if you recorded
I'd like to know if -- if there is anything to recollect
Mr. Francis, you are not allowed to ask me a question.
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THE COURT:
He is not asking you a question.
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Do you understand the question?
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The question is do you recall if that meeting where
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you discussed the Google Earth map, whether that meeting was
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recorded?
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Do you remember whether it was or not?
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Okay.
Thank you.
Is it later that day, another day that week that you had
a very long, several hours conversation with Mr. Kadir about
some idea, religious ideas and other maybe philosophical ideas
about Islam?
Yes.
Do you remember when that was in relation to showing the
map?
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I remember that this conversation that we had was prior
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to the day that we was going to Trinidad so I don't recall at
12
this moment how close was the showing of the -- the maps or
13
the Google Earth to Sheik Kadir with presence of Sheik
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Mohammed and I.
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Saleem's house for several days, you said.
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even over a week.
Okay.
So -- but you do recall being down in Guyana at

It could have been
Am I right?
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Yes.
20
But you don't recall exactly when within that period you
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showed Sheik Kadir, as you call him, the map, is that right?
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until Sheik Mohammed was present to do that.
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of those days you showed him the map?
Sheik Mohammed and I show him the map.
Okay.
I had to wait
So my question was, can you pinpoint for us which
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I don't recall which days specifically.
meeting but I don't recall the day specifically.
I recall the
Just to back up one second to a prior time.
After -- as we talked about already, you had this
dispute early on in the conspiracy with Abdel -- rather with
Donald Nero.
Do you recall we had that conversation?
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Which time actually we discussing about?
Back in January of 2007, when you had been meeting with
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Rutherford and Nero and Mr. DeFreitas, we -- do you recall we
11
talked about there had been a dispute among you and they left
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the conspiracy?
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Yes.
14
At that time before that dispute happened you had been
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staying with Donald Nero, isn't that right?
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Yes.
17
When the dispute occurred and you still stayed in Guyana,
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where did you stay?
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is actually his mother's house.
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same house.
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Was he staying there too?
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Yes.
24
Now, when you were staying with Saleem in this house,
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where were you staying in the house?
I stayed in the -- in Sheik Dawood Masood's house, which
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Donald Nero?
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In one of the rooms.
Were you staying on a bed?
Yes.
Now I want to draw your attention to what we were just
talking about.
the day before you -- I believe you said that you went to
Trinidad, is that right?
Yes.
And it is fair to say in that conversation you talked
You had this long conversation with Mr. Kadir
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about many different things?
11
That's correct.
MS. MESSINA:
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Judge, I would ask permission to play
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what's already been admitted into evidence as Government's
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Exhibit 223 T and I would be starting on -- give me just one
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second -- page 14, the top of the page.
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Judge, may I play this portion?
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THE COURT:
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Do the jurors have their books out and ready?
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Yes.
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EXAMINATION CONTINUES
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BY
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Mr. Kadir is talking to you, is this correct, about the value
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of education?
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MS. MESSINA:
So in this -- in this particular part of this recording,
Yes.
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Is that correct?
Yes.
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Now, Mr. Francis, you are speaking about the chicken farm
in this segment; is that correct?
Yes.
As you said, was this the first time you actually
approached Mr. Kadir to ask what people that he may have
reached out to thought about it?
The JFK plot, yes, the chicken farm.
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I asked him in regards of the -- what they consider of
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the -- what the reason why they will be either interested or
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not and at this point, yes.
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interested, is that correct?
15
No, that's not correct.
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Well, can you tell me where does he say they are
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interested?
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actually showed that they were interested and but not -- not
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right now because it was sensitive, but they were interested.
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And we also was just prior to leaving you asked me to read
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something.
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you did not play.
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unless you have a recollection of it or unless it answers to
Up to this point, again, your information is they are not
I can -- actually, we went through a tape before which
It was considered some -- some parts of CD that
Mr. Francis, I don't want you to refer to something
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my question.
Let me ask you a question about this particular
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conversation.
Can you turn -- do you remember what date this
conversation was held, this one we are talking about now?
Trinidad.
on your transcript and tell me what date that was?
I said before, it was before the day of our departure to
Can you look at the first page of the exhibit in evidence
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It says May 19, 2007.
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Okay.
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changed their position, isn't this correct, about wanting to
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become involved in this plot?
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position on the sensitivity.
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they are not interested in the JFK plot.
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until now that the folks aren't interested?
So on May 19th, Mr. Kadir's contacts haven't
They are not changing their

But they never has claimed that
Well, Mr. Kadir told you on several occasions now up
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MR. JONES:
Objection.
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THE COURT:
Sustained.
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In addition to Mr. -- Mr. Francis, did -- the
22
conversation when Mr. Kadir told you the folks aren't
23
interested now, it's too sensitive, do you remember that
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conversation with Mr. Kadir?
25
Yes.
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That occurred months prior to this conversation, correct?
MR. JONES:
Objection.
THE COURT:
Sustained.
When did that conversation occur?
Which one of them?
The conversation where you first learned that Mr. Kadir
says the folks -- talked about sensitivity and that's why the
contacts aren't interested?
Oh, I can't tell you exactly the moment.
But we already
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went through it about -- not long ago, actually.
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through it just now, before we went on break.
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happened close in context with when Mr. DeFreitas was searched
14
at the airport back going to the United States, right?
15
It was after he was searched.
16
Okay.
17
Or around that time.
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Yes.
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went back to the United States, and when was that, do you
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recall?
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February 2007.
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Okay.
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that's three -- three months, right?
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passed, is that right?
25
Okay.
We went
Do you remember -- it is fair to stay that it
Between that time -- he was searched around when he
March?
February?
So in-between February 2007 and now May 19th,
Sometime.
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Three months have
I don't know exactly, yes.
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Mr. Kadir has still not come back to you and said his
contacts are interested, has he?
actually timing is very important for I appreciate.
He just mentioned is that this needs careful thought.
Right.
He didn't say to you anything more about sensitivity
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in this conversation?
MR. JONES:
Objection.
THE COURT:
Sustained.
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So
Let's listen.
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Mr. Francis, Mr. Kadir is saying they right now say
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in this part of the world our people need education,
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development and information.

Is that what you are talking about with how to
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prioritize this?
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No.
Actually that's not what he's saying.
He's saying
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actually that now, but he's also saying that their folks are
20
interested and not right now, so he has never actually said
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that they are not interested and he never said I don't want to
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be part of this, they don't want to be part of this, don't
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talk to me no more, I don't know what you're talking about.
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He says that right now it's sensitive and they

taking careful thought about the matter because it's a very
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sensitive and big project.
That's why he continuously say to
the last minute actually I spoke to him, he has never said,
ever claimed that they were not interested.
heard.
in this part of the world, our people need education,
development and information, he doesn't mean that?
I did not say that.
He didn't mean that?
But, Mr. Francis, I am asking about that sentence we just

Are you saying when he said they right now, let's say
I did not say that he didn't --
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All right.
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12
Let me just stop there.
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What does that word dawa mean?
14
Dawa is -- is a word in Arabic that pertains to calling
15
people to Islam by differing ways and means.
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correct me if I am wrong, was that you wanted a spiritual
18
component to this plot?
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researching for his plot to be developed.
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play through Sheik Mohammed was that Mr. Kadir was to provide
23
some kind of spiritual or religious guidance in the plot,
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correct?
25
Okay.
One of the reasons you sought out Mr. Kadir,
Isn't that right?
I did not want anything.
Sheik Mohammed was the one
Your understanding of one of the roles Mr. Kadir was to
Sheik Kadir was -- his connections was going to provide
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economical support as well as manpower to the plot.
think that Sheik Kadir was actually at this point researching
for religious input.
MS. MESSINA:
(Pause.)
I don't
One moment, please.
Didn't you say on direct that one of the reasons you went
to see Sheik Kadir is that he would be helping you with the
spiritual element of this plot?
I don't recall saying that.

According to my understanding, we went to visit
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Sheik Kadir under the instructions of Abdul Wahab as a
12
connection that will provide economical as well as support to
13
the JFK plot.
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Sheik Kadir for any spiritual advice or anything like that.
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I don't recall ever mentioning that we went to
Let's continue.
As you keep talking to Sheik Kadir, as you call him,
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he's instructing you more on his philosophy about what is the
18
proper posture of the Muslims in relation to the plot, isn't
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that right?
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I --
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THE COURT:
Sustained as to form.
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Please refrain from testifying.
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Was part of what Mr. Kadir talking to you about on this
24
occasion helping you understand his philosophy about where
25
Muslims should stand in relation to any plots of aggression?
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He's expressing some of his views.
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If you listen to the whole tape, he actually expresses so many
views and reasons why as to the why, as to the won't.
At no
point did he display not -- no interest in the plot.
On the
contrary, if you listen to the conversation, he also justify
at some point.
There are many views.
Mr. Francis, you have repeated that now how many times.
THE COURT:
Sustained.
Please, no arguing with the witness.

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Mr. Francis, you are talking to him about a sermon he
12
gave, is that right?
13
Yes.
14
You remembered and you mentioned to him that you recall
15
him saying that we have done very little for Islam.

What did you interpret -- what did that mean?
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If you continue to play the tape actually you will be
18
able to appreciate his answer in his own words.
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I am asking you what you took to mean.
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Okay.
21
spoke about Hezbollah at this point and that they are actually
22
defending themselves by the actions that they take and if
23
you -- if you appreciate the tape, he's condoning their
24
behavior according to their building of institutions and so
25
on.
So Sheik Abdel Kadir, he said that actually he
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institutions and only -- withdrawn.
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To your recollection, was Mr. Kadir saying we must build
Was Mr. Kadir saying only when we build institutions
do we have the right to defend them?
forward was that one.
built no institutions to defend.
He said one of the -- one of the views that he put
Okay.
And then he says, we heard earlier, that we have

Is that right?
That's correct.
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11
Now, you specifically ask him, what's the difference
12
between Hezbollah and what Sheik Mohammed is trying to pull
13
off, is that right?
14
Yes.
15
What were you referring to about what Sheik Mohammed is
16
trying to pull off?
17
We are talking about the JFK plot.
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Okay.
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Mr. Francis, once again, doesn't Mr. Kadir say to
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you, we haven't built anything?
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He means institutions per se like Hezbollah.
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Right.
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25
And in the course of this conversation -- you are

listening to his words, aren't you?
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Yes, I am.
And are you to some degree acting as maybe his student
would, to listen and appreciate, is that right?
Just listening to his views.
And his views are, as we have heard, would you agree with
me, because we haven't built anything, we have no right to act
aggressively in order to defend anything?
That's not correct.
Let me play on.
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Again, he's pointing out, correct me if I'm wrong, the
major differences between what he's describing what Hezbollah
does socially and what Mr. DeFreitas is seeking to do with
regard to that, am I right?
his connections and the connections, Abdul Kadir he hasn't
mentioned yet who are they, but he's mentioning that they are
interested in the plot and we don't know how established they
are and who are these people.
Yes.
By the same token, Sheik Mohammed is looking for
Right.
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Francis.
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I'm just referring to this conversation, Mr.
I'm clarifying for you.

THE COURT:
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I didn't hear a question so there is
14
nothing for you to answer.
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when he had this long conversation with you?
17
Of course not.
18
So wasn't trying to twist his own words to appear better
19
today, was he?
Mr. Kadir was not aware you were wearing a wire, was he,
How can I be sitting here?
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MR. MILLER:
Objection.
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THE COURT:
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MS. MESSINA:
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Sustained.
One more short piece I'll play.
Mr. Francis, isn't the lesson from all that that you only
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have the right to be aggressive if -- withdrawn -- that
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according to Mr. Kadir you have a right to defend what you've
built, in his philosophy, and not to be aggressive?
MR. MILLER:
THE WITNESS:
THE COURT:
Objection.
That's not correct.
The --
There is no other question before you at
this moment.
THE WITNESS:
I'm sorry.
Wasn't it around the same point of time that he actually
tells you he's not going to Trinidad?
10
Yes.
11
And he does not go to Trinidad with you?
12
Yes.
13
But you go to Trinidad; is that correct, with
14
Mr. DeFreitas?
15
Yes.
16
And wasn't it also around this point in time that you
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were eventually led to Kareem Ibrahim in Trinidad?
18
Yes.
19
And wasn't it around that point when Mr. DeFreitas said
20
to Kareem Ibrahim that Kadir is not interested and he's having
21
no part of this; doesn't Mr. DeFreitas say that to
22
Mr. Ibrahim?
23
At the beginning of the conversations, yes.
24
A little later in that same conversation, doesn't he say
25
to Mr. Ibrahim, we know Kadir can't do nothing, that he's
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behind the times, he has no connections to Trinidad, doesn't
he say that to Mr. Ibrahim.
Yes.
Doesn't he also say Kadir doesn't know much about him --
withdrawn.
knowledge of Abu Bakr to Mr. Ibrahim?
I don't recall exactly what he mentioned about that.
Do you recall him saying Mr. Kadir doesn't know much
about him anymore, he doesn't know how he's operating, he
Doesn't Mr. DeFreitas also talk about Kadir's
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doesn't know what he can do from what he can't.
11
He said that, yes.
12
Okay.
13
to go back to Abdel Nur for a moment.
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when you're in Trinidad; correct?
15
Yes.
16
And Abdel Nur is someone you've described as being
17
unreliable, isn't that right?
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Mohammed was the one that say that, I didn't say that.
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reliable?
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point.
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reliable?
Now, at this point Mr. Kadir -- withdrawn.
I want
You speak to Abdel Nur
I just repeat what Sheik Mohammed call him.
Sheik
What was your view on Mr. Nur, did you think he was
It is not my point of view that is important at this
I'm asking you your point of view.
Did you think he was
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I think he was a person that will fulfil the job that he
was asked to do.
Bakr, right?
That's not correct.
What was he asked to do in Trinidad?
Sheik Mohammed had asked Abdel Nur to introduce Sheik
Mohammed and I to Abu Bakr.
Okay.
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Pertaining to the JFK plot.
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So he was asked to introduce you to Abu Bakr; is that
12
right?
13
Yes.
14
And isn't it a fact that he was supposed to be met at the
15
airport by you or others helping you meet Abu Bakr?
16
He was asked to meet you in Trinidad to help seek out Abu
I cannot understand the question.
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THE COURT:
There is no question there.
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MS. MESSINA:
I'll rephrase it.
Is it your understanding that Mr. Nur was supposed to
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travel with you to Trinidad?
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always going to go by himself and we were going to go in a
23
different flight.
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And --
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-- according to Sheik Mohammed.
At no point he was supposed to travel with us.
He was
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Do you know if he went before you or after you?
He went before us.
And how many days did it take in Trinidad before you
found Abdel Nur?
Couple of days.
So when Mr. Nur came, nobody knew where he was for a
couple of days; is that right?
He was in jail where we found him.
When did you learn that, how many days after he was
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supposed to meet you?
11
We met him couple of days after his landing on Trinidad.
12
Wasn't the sole purpose of him being in Trinidad --
13
withdrawn.
Wasn't his people involved with -- who funded your
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15
trip to Trinidad, were they the same people who funded his
16
trip, if you know?
17
The person that bought the ticket was Sheik Mohammed.
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Is that Mr. Sheik Mohammed Mr. DeFreitas or --
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Mr. DeFreitas bought the ticket for Abdel Nur.
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How did he get the money?
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He had the money to pay Shafiq.
22
Shafiq and he gave me $250 to pay -- over $200 to pay the
23
ticket for Abdel Nur to go.
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informant back in New York, what tickets did he pay for?
We had $450 to give
What did the man, the undercover agent or the FBI
3277
He was given to us three tickets that were assigned to
Sheik Mohammed, to Sheik Kadir and myself, and Sheik Kadir say
he wasn't traveling.
Before he said that he wasn't traveling, we already,
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Sheik Mohammed, Abu Nur and I, had gone to the ticket place
and had already arranged for Abdel Nur to go with a fourth
ticket that was paid with Sheik Mohammed's money, which is
DeFreitas.
But the money used to buy your tickets and Mr. DeFreitas'
10
ticket, correct me if I'm wrong, was paid for by this FBI man
11
in New York; is that right?
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Mohammed.
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Kadir's tickets to buy Nur's ticket?
16
No.
17
When Nur got to Trinidad, you were supposed to meet him
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the first day he showed up, isn't that correct, you or
19
Mr. DeFreitas?
20
We are supposed to meet in Trinidad, yes.
21
The first day when he showed up, wasn't that the plan?
It was the three tickets that were given to us by Sheik
And Mr. DeFreitas used the money of the exchange from
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THE COURT:
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MS. MESSINA:
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The first day when who showed up?

When Mr. Nur arrived.
Again, we were supposed to -THE COURT:
Mr. Nur arrived before.
Can you clarify
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your question.
MS. MESSINA:
I apologize.
How much after Mr. Nur arrived did you arrive?
Same day, very late at night that day.
What was the arrangements for you to meets Mr. Nur?
We were supposed to meet him at the airport, meaning
Sheik Mohammed and I.
And he wasn't there immediately, was he?
No, he wasn't.
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And it took a few days, correct me if I'm wrong, to find
11
him and to meet him, isn't that right?
12
Yes.
13
And hasn't Mr. DeFreitas expressed or spoken to you about
14
Mr. Nur in the course of your conversations?
15
Pertaining to what?
16
Hasn't he expressed to you his distrust of Mr. Nur?
17
He mentioned his distrust with money handling, yes.
18
And at one point when you do meet up with him in
19
Trinidad, don't you have a conversation with Mr. Nur about
20
specifically what interaction he had with Abu Bakr?
21
Yes.
22
And in that conversation aren't you asking him a lot
23
questions, a lot of detail to figure out if he really did meet
24
with Abu Bakr at all?
25
Yes.
Are you suspicious that he might not have even met with
Abu Bakr?
and to provide information.
I'm not here to suspect.
I'm here to answer questions
I'm just asking your opinion.
MR. MILLER:
THE COURT:
MS. MESSINA:
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Objection.
Sustained.
Judge, I'd ask if we could play what
is marked already in evidence Government Exhibit 225 T,
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starting at the beginning of the conversation at the top of
11
page two.
12
May I do that, Judge?
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THE COURT:
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Yes, you may.
Mr. Francis, it sounds like you were a little annoyed, am
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I misinterpreting that?
17
MR. MILLER:
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THE COURT:
Objection.
Sustained.
Are you annoyed when you're having this conversation with
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20
him?
21
Not at all.
22
Is it a fact that you want to pin him down about what
23
exactly he said and did with Abu Bakr?

You have to say yes or no, you can't shake your
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head.
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No.
Mr. Francis, correct to say, you're not satisfied with
him saying so, so, so, blah, blah, blah, you want to know
more; is that right?
point and he actually told me exactly what he told him.
I want to know exactly what he has told Abu Bakr at this
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And he answers you, when you ask him that question, I
10
told him we got something, we got to show him home, you know,
11
home, there on this thing.

What does that mean?
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Again, I ask him to the point where he tell me, there
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were reasons, different reasons why we going there and his
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only reason was to speak about the Chicken Farm or the JFK
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plot, and I wanted to do make sure that the guy -- what the
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guy had spoken to Abu Bakr, and it was to get information
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clear so there will be no misunderstanding about what he has
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spoken to him.
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he meant?
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And the sentence I just read to you, was that clear what
If you can continue on I will appreciate it.

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Did you understand in that paragraph he said, if he
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wanted do it he will do it, if he don't want to do it, if he
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know, ah, ah, no he can get a cell because he would do it in a
way that he would get other contacts to keep him out because
he had to be out of it, but when he sell it so so so, little
funds can, you know, whatever, once you can get the cell, if
the other brother can get the cell, we can, well, if, but
then, he said it's going to take time, Abu Bakr got more, got
more contacts, he will do it faster, the Shiits, most of them.

Are you understanding what he's telling you?
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can answer yes or no please do.
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Yes.
11
You don't think at this point he's giving you the
12
runaround?
13
He answered the question.
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So you don't think he was giving you the runaround?
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MR. MILLER:
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THE COURT:
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If you
Objection.
What did you understand him to mean by
that conversation?
THE WITNESS:
Abu Nur actually always expressed that
19
Abu Bakr was able to get the contacts to fund the JFK plot and
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in this he actually mentioned that he has spoken to him about
21
the plot somewhat, but really the understanding of the plot
22
fully was following Sheik Mohammed at that point.
23
So he needed to sit down, Sheik Mohammed needed to
24
sit down with Abu Bakr, display his knowledge of the JFK plot
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for him in order to get involved with his connections because
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of his -- the sensitivity that he was living in at that
moment, facing charges in Trinidad, he could not deal directly
with the plot and it was only up to him whether he wanted to
join it or not.
the plot to Abu Bakr and to get Sheik Mohammed and I to speak
with him was done at this point.
But Abdel Nur's role was actually to present
Now he's saying the Shiites and you say, Who?
says the Shiites?
And you say then the Shiites.
And he
And he says
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ah-uh, contact with the Shiites.
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abroad, they would be more like ready for that but because Abu
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Bakr is still not that abhorrent to the Shiits.

THE COURT:
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If he could get the contacts
Why are you repeating this?
Is there a
question behind that?
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MS. MESSINA:
Yes.
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Mr. Francis, what pictures is he talking about?
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He's talking about some personal pictures that he has.
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Did Mr. Nur appear to you to be drunk or high on drugs at
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the time of this conversation?
21
No.
22
What's he talking about the Shiits, Mr. Bakr, still not
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that abhorrent to the Shiits, what is that about, if you know?
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have different methodology.
Abu Bakr assuming -- he's not Shiite, Shiite and Sunni
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And Mr. DeFreitas is a Shiite; is that right?
Yes.
I have two more areas.
Trinidad, did you or Mr. DeFreitas have you call Mr. Kadir
again, remember that?
Yes.
Right.
about using his bank account.
conversation?
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At some point during your time in
Which occasion actually?
Different calls.
This is the occasion when you're asking Mr. Kadir

Do you remember that
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Yes.
11
Is it correct to say that Mr. DeFreitas or yourself had
12
never had a conversation about that with Mr. Kadir before?
13
About the bank account?
14
About using the bank account to put in money from the
15
Chicken Farm?
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Ibrahim and myself as well as Abdel Nur, and actually the
18
matter was raised up and he was calling them in regards to
19
that, yes.
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right, on the phone?
22
The first time he was approached with the idea, yes.
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Right?
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Abdul Kadir.
25
He wasn't expecting you to call him at that moment?
This was discussed by Sheik Mohammed as well as Sheik
The first time you approached him with this idea; is that
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MR. MILLER:
THE COURT:
Objection.
Sustained.
Was he -THE COURT:
Excuse me.
If I'm in the middle of
deciding an objection don't speak over me.
I would appreciate
that.
him on that particular day to talk to him?
I was asked to call Sheik Kadir.
10
Had you been asked prior to that to call Mr. Kadir at
11
that particular time and day?
12
I don't recall right now.
13
Mr. Francis, it's correct to say that you were talking to
14
Mr. Ibrahim about finding someone who could go to Iran with
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the plot?
Did you make any prior arrangement with Mr. Kadir to call
THE COURT:
16
That's not a question.
Please rephrase
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it.
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finding someone to go to Iran?
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actually mentioned that he has the contact and he will get his
22
contacts.
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contact, the personal call.
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though, weren't you?
Was part of what you were talking to Mr. Ibrahim about
Sheik Mohammed presented a plot to Sheik Ibrahim and he
He's the one that is doing the talking about the
And you were there when the conversation took place,
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That is correct.
And it was Sheik Ibrahim who said he was trying to find
his contact in Iran; isn't that correct?
Yes.
Did you even know that Abdul Kadir was coming to Trinidad
or was in Trinidad simultaneously while you were there?
No.
And had you any idea he was on his way to Iran?
No.
10
Finally, Mr. Francis, I want to talk to you about your
11
record.
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Okay.
THE COURT:
13
Ask your questions without a preface,
14
please.
The remarks of counsel are not evidence.
They are
15
stricken.
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evidence.
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than one occasion that his contacts, his so-called contacts
19
were not interested in the plot at that time?
It is the answer coupled with the question that is
Mr. Francis, it's true to say Mr. Kadir told you on more
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MR. MILLER:
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THE COURT:
Objection.
Sustained.
Did there ever come a time when Mr. Kadir said to you, My
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contacts got back to me.
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no?
25
They're ready to go forward?
No.
Yes or
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Did there ever come a time when Mr. Kadir said these are
my contacts.
I'll give them to you, call them yourself?
MR. MILLER:
Objection.
THE COURT:
Did he ever say that to you?
THE WITNESS:
I will allow it.
No.
Did Mr. Kadir say to you, Mr. Francis, that we have no
right to be aggressive because we only can be defend the
institutions we've built and we've built nothing.
10
Did you
have that conversation with him?

THE COURT:
11
Sustained.
Asked and answered.
Mr. Francis, you had an interest in making sure this case
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13
got prosecuted, don't you?
14
I don't know what you mean by that question.
15
Do you know what being prosecuted means?
16
I don't understand your question.
17
Do you know what the word "prosecution" means?
18
I understand the word prosecution, but I don't understand
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the question.
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I'm sorry.
What is your understanding about a case being prosecuted?
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MR. MILLER:
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THE COURT:
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Objection.
Sustained.
Mr. DeFreitas, there is a difference between --
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THE COURT:
Mr. Francis.
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MS. MESSINA:
I'm sorry.
Excuse me.
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Mr. Francis, you signed a deal with the Special Narcotics
Prosecution Office in New York County, correct?
Yes.
And that deal said not only did you have to cooperate,
you had to do more than cooperate, didn't you?
Special Narcotics.
life, isn't that correct?
I have some closures but I have to cooperate with the
You were facing, and you still are, a sentence of 25 to
10
That is correct.
11
That was because in 2002 you were carrying when you were
12
arrested five kilo bags of -- is it crack or cocaine --
13
Cocaine.
14
In a backpack?
15
Yes.
16
And that wasn't all you did in that crime, is it?
17
No.
18
You also had access to what is called a stash house?
19
That is correct.
20
On 3656 Johnson Avenue; is that where it was?
21
Yes.
22
And what --
23
I'm not quite sure of the address at this point, but,
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yes.
25
Can you tell the jury what is a stash house.
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It's a place where drugs are stored or other -- many
different things.
What other things?
It all depends what you want to store in there.
actually at this point it's drugs actually, yes.
But
And your role -- withdrawn.

You were involved in a conspiracy in that particular
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case from 2001, correct me if I'm wrong, spring of 2001, to
November of 2002?
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It's possible.
THE COURT:
11
It's not a question.
What was the length of time of your involvement in that
12
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conspiracy?
14
I can't remember right now exactly how long it lasted.
15
Is it fair to say it was over a year that you were
16
involved?
17
Possible to say.
18
And during the course of that conspiracy, wasn't it your
19
role to pick up drugs -- is that correct?
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from one location to another.
22
So you had to pick up drugs; is that right?
23
Yes.
24
You also had to take care of some matters at the stash
25
house; is that right?
My role there was -- I was driver actually to take drugs
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Yes.
What were the matters you had to take care of?
I had to pay the rent and I had to make sure it's clean.
Did you also help package the drugs?
Package the drugs?
Did you also collect money?
I collect money at some points, yes.
Did you also help weigh the packages?
Yes.
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And at that time when you were arrested, you were charged
11
with an A1 felony; is that correct?
12
It's what it says, yes.
13
By the way, some of the money you collected, did that
14
include collecting money from a man named Juan Carlos in the
15
amount of $56,000?
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17
have anything to recollect my memory.
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drugs in your backpack, how much would that go for, how much
20
could you sell that for?
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22
carrying it from one point to another, but it was quite a
23
large amount.
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25
I believe so.
No, they came packaged already.
Maybe, I don't remember exactly.
If you
Mr. Francis, how much, if you know, did the five kilos of
I don't know 100 percent.
I wasn't selling, I was just
When that happened, this arrest/ withdrawn.

You pleaded guilty to that offense; correct?
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I have a guilty plea put in, yes, by Special Narcotics,
yes.
approximately 120 kilos of cocaine?
memory.
relation to that case?
Yes.
10
And you testified -- withdrawn.
11
Samuel Santiago, Ruben Cordero, and William Rivera?
12
Yes.
13
Were they your friends?
14
They were acquaintances.
15
Acquaintances?
And during that event you picked up from New Jersey
I believe so.
I'm not sure.
I can't recall.
Mr. Francis, did you testify in the grand jury in
Do you know the names
Did they work with your in the drug business?
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17
Yes.
18
And you testified against those men?
19
Yes.
20
Refresh my
MS. MESSINA:
Judge, I'd ask this to be marked
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Defendant's Exhibit -- I believe we're up to I -- for
22
identification.
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MR. JONES:
Can we get a number?
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MS. MESSINA:
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THE COURT:
This is page 30 of --
3500 number, please.
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MS. MESSINA:
One moment.
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3500 SF 175, page 30.
Actually, I will hand up the whole pack.
THE COURT:
Can I see counsel at the side, please.
(Continued next page.)
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(Sidebar.)
THE COURT:
I just wanted to know why is he being
handed grand jury minutes?
Right now there is nothing that
he's been asked that he doesn't remember.

MS. MESSINA: I thought he just said when I asked
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him -- I asked him whether he knows about 71 kilos out of New
Jersey.
He said I can't remember.
THE COURT:
kilos in New Jersey.
You didn't ask him whether he sold 71
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MS. MESSINA:
I'll ask him that.
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THE COURT:
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MS. MESSINA:
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THE COURT:
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MS. MESSINA: I asked him how many kilos did he pick
You didn't ask him that.

I will, Judge.
You didn't ask him.
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up from New Jersey.
I believe I said 120 and he said he
16
couldn't remember, if something could refresh his
17
recollection.
On page 29 of the grand jury minutes, line 19, he's
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asked that question.
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cocaine did you pick up on that case in New Jersey and he
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answers 120.
MR. JONES:
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Stopping you there, how many kilos of
I don't see what the relevance is.
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admitted again and again that a drug dealer with multiple
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kilos.
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He's
What difference does it make whether it is 70 or 120?

MS. MESSINA:
Because it's a fact, number one,
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relevant to his history and he asked to refresh his
recollection and this will do that.
THE COURT:
How much more are we going to be
subjected to the fact that he was a major drug dealer?
Obviously that's before the jury.
MS. MESSINA:
MR. MILLER:
There is plenty of case law that says you can
Ten minutes.
Judge, if I might?
impeach someone based on a conviction.
We have in the record
10
the guilty plea, we have the sense that it's an A1 felony,
11
it's in the plea agreement, so we have that in the record.
12
To the extent that the defense wants to argue that
13
it is an incentive, that's is in record.
14
he's moved a lot of drugs.
15
We also have that
He has admitted to that.
Now we're getting into the field of 608, which is
16
specific instances of conduct.
17
repeatedly held that narcotics trafficking unless done in some
18
sort of surreptitious manner, involves a lie, doesn't not
19
involve 608 specifically.
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The Second Circuit has
What we have here is we are getting deep into a
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collateral matter when the basic point here is well
22
established and it's been admitted by the witness.
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Getting into whether it's 71 or 100 or 84 kilos is
24
irrelevant to the question which is well established that he
25
may or may not, as the parties will argue, have a sense to
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tell something that wasn't true.

THE COURT:
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I agree.
You have to ask relevant
questions.
MS. MESSINA:
The defense has the obligation and
right to express in specific terms the extent to what is on
the line and what Mr. Francis did.

MR. JONES:
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Does this impact, that number impact how
long he's going to serve in jail?

THE COURT:
He has a 25 to life sentence.
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get higher than 25 to life in state court.
11
of drugs that was worth a lot of money.
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role.
You don't
He picked up a lot
He's explained his
Really, you know, you're beating a dead horse to death.

MS. MESSINA:
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I don't have many more questions on
14
this point but I think it helps to explain the case to the
15
jurors when they hear numbers to understand exactly his
16
character.
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THE COURT:
He has already admitted to pleading
18
guilty to a racketeering charge, a drunk charge and a
19
racketeering charge in federal court, and an attempted murder
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as well as the second conviction with the Special Narcotics
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Prosecutor's office involving multiple kilograms of cocaine
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that he was actually in possession of.
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MS. MESSINA:
I'd like to ask this last question and
I'll move on.

MR. JONES:
What is the question?
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MS. MESSINA:
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What I asked him already and he said
to refresh his recollection and that will be that.

I also, Judge, while we're here, would like to go
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into the prior federal case.
a right to also explore what he exactly pleaded guilty to and
what were the underlying acts of that crime.
THE COURT:
MS. MESSINA:
exactly what it was.
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THE COURT:
The People went into it.
I have
All the underlying acts of the crime?

No.
To bring it out to show the jury
I don't see the need for it.
This issue
11
has already been brought out on direct.
I will allow you to
12
ask him minimal questions to go over it again, but I'm going
13
to stop you if I think you're going far afield and that is the
14
end of it and I'm not going to entertain any more arguments.
15
You can refresh his recollection with respect to that and that
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is it.
Show him that one page.
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MS. MESSINA:
Yes.
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MS. MESSINA:
THE COURT:
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May I approach the witness?

Yes.
Mr. Francis, can you take a look at line 19 and below on
that page.
your recollection as to how many kilos of cocaine you picked
up from New Jersey?
Yes.
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How many did you pick up?
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120.
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Mr. Francis, I was saying that you had an interest --
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withdrawn.
Look up when you're finished.
Does that refresh
Your cooperation in this case, isn't a fact that the
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motivation for your cooperation in this case is to try to get
16
less than 25 to life on that sentence?
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18
reduction, it's based on truth, only on truth.
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20
depending on your cooperation, different numbers of a sentence
21
would take effect; is that your understanding?
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sentencing is the judge, but, of course, the personal, the
24
people that determines if I've been truthful is the special
25
narcotics.
My cooperation with the government is to get sentence
It's your understanding from the agreement you wrote that
My understanding is that the person in control of my
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The special narcotics, is it your understanding, will
be --
narcotics prosecutor as to whether they believe you told the
truth or not.
the prosecutors here who will be advising the special
THE COURT:
Is that a question?
Is that your understanding?
My understanding is to have to say the truth and I have
done that.
Who is going to tell the special narcotics prosecutors if
10
you told the truth or not?
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12
case and they're the ones that know the truth.
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withdrawn.
I believe strongly the people that are involved in the
I'm asking you a question.
Who is going to tell --
I'll quote it a different way.

Let's say the people involved in the case, who do
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you mean?
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of the authority of the government.
19
if it's true --
Meaning this case, you know, it was conducted with people
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MS. MESSINA:
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THE COURT:
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They know to what extent
Objection.
Overruled.
When you say the authority
of the government, do you mean from the federal government?

THE WITNESS:
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What I meant, the special narcotics
24
told me they're the ones who know if this is true or not for
25
me per se.
That, I must be truthful because they have ways to
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find out if it's true or not.
THE COURT:
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So, I've been truthful.
As to your cooperation in regards to
this case, will the prosecutors --
prosecutors in this case will be communicating with the
prosecutors in special narcotics?
I think so.
You don't know if these prosecutors will be
communicating --
I assume.
THE COURT:
do you know whether the
I don't know --
Asked and answered.
yes.
Move on.
10
Part of getting this is you signed a contract --
11
I don't understand the question.
12
Did you sign a contract in order to try to get a better
13
plea in the case, the federal --
14
rather the narcotics case?
I don't understand the agreement, sorry.
15
THE COURT:
Did you sign a plea agreement?
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THE WITNESS:
Yes.
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To your understanding, does that plea agreement act like
18
a contract, where you make promises?
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It's a plea agreement actually.
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representation to you if you do certain things?
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guidelines, according to what I was asked and how truthful
25
I've been with the questions I'm asked, meaning they have
No, it's a plea agreement.
I was told what to do after.
In that plea agreement doesn't the special narcotics make
As to what to expect if I actually --
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presented to me what happens if I fail, what they have
actually spoken to me about which is there.
Right.
They also mentioned, have an idea what to expect but it's
only on their discretion and the discretion of the judge.
I understand.
In addition to cooperating, you need to do more to
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get --
withdrawn.
Is it your understanding from this plea agreement
10
that even if you try hard to find out about different plots
11
and such, you will not get any benefit if it does not lead to
12
a prosecution?
13
MR. JONES:
Objection.
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THE COURT:
Sustained.
15
Mr. Francis, don't you have to do more than just make a
16
good faith effort to tell the truth to get the benefit of this
17
plea agreement?
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MR. JONES:
Objection.
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THE COURT:
Sustained.
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MS. MESSINA:
I would like to show Government
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Exhibit 85, the plea and cooperation agreement to Mr. Francis
22
and the jury.
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of this document.
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Mr. Francis, I'm going to first show you the front page
What do you recognize this document to be?
This is my plea and cooperation agreement with special
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narcotics.
Has your name in the caption, correct, Steven Francis?
Correct.
I'm going to draw your attention to page six of this
agreement, paragraph 12.
last line starting with the word "the." Can you read it out
loud, please?
efforts at cooperation that do not lead to a prosecution or
I'm going to ask you to read this
"The defendant further understands that his good faith
10
seizure will not be rewarded."
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if I'm wrong, you were stating here that you understand that
13
your good faith effort at cooperation will not be rewarded
14
unless it leads to prosecution or seizure.
15
sentence says?
16
That's what it says, yes.
17
You had this explained to you by your lawyer?
18
Yes, I believe so, at some point.
19
the systematics of the plea agreement, been a long time, but I
20
refresh and recollect as I read.
21
You signed it in court?
22
Yes.
23
You said earlier whether you get this plea agreement or
24
not is going to be up to the prosecution in special narcotics,
25
in part, and the judge; is that right?
According to this statement, Mr. Francis, and correct me
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Is that what that
I was explained all
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MR. JONES:
Objection.
THE COURT:
Sustained.
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Mr. Francis, isn't it a fact that in 1994 you were
arrested for a federal crime?
Yes.
That federal crime also involves drug trafficking; is
that right?
Yes.
That federal crime, weren't you involved in distributing
10
large quantities of crack around New York?
11
Yes.
12
Were there other parts besides New York you were
13
distributing crack, other towns besides New York City, other
14
towns, other states?
15
No.
16
As well in that crime, didn't you attempt to murder with
17
others a man named Little Will?
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Yes.
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Didn't as part of that conspiracy you carried deadly
20
weapons including revolvers and semiautomatic pistols?
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I was the getaway car.
22
You did not carry that?
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I did not carry that with me.
24
You were in the getaway car?
25
They were present in my presence, yes.
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When you were sentenced in that case, you were facing a
very long sentence in that case, too, weren't you?
Yes.
But you cooperated with the government, didn't you?
Yes.
In that case you got out of a very long sentence, didn't
you?
I got a sentence reduction.
What was the sentence you were facing in that case?
10
It was RICO, I believe I was facing a very long time as
11
well.
12
Life, if you know?
13
Twenty-five to life or life, yes.
14
In that case you testified against other associates of
15
yours?
16
Yes.
17
Do you know where those associates are now?
18
Not exactly.
19
them are out.
20
Some of them are probably in jail, some of
When you were sentenced on that day --
withdrawn.
It was again in that case that the judge had to
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believe you were telling the truth, correct, in order to give
23
you a better sentence; is that right?
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moment, yes.
I told the truth and I got a sentence reduction at that
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Who decided if you told the truth?
The prosecution.
What about the judge?
The prosecution --
Who decided what the sentence would be?
The judge.
The judge was basing the sentence, if you can tell me in
part, on what the prosecution recommended; isn't that right?
I believe so.
the judge gave me the sentence.
I'm not sure exactly how the systematics
10
works.
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during your sentence in that case?
13
I spoke at length, yes.
14
During those representations, didn't you lie to the
15
judge?
16
Yes, I failed the judge and I failed God himself.
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In fact, you said to the judge --
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wrong --
19
trying to persuade her to give you a lower sentence, right?
20
That's not correct.
21
Did you want a lower sentence from the judge?
22
I cooperated.
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spoke to the judge was a not a matter of getting reduction.
24
spoke to the judge on behalf of what was going on at the
25
moment, but it was not actually --
Didn't you make certain representations on the record
correct me if I'm
you were talking to the judge because you were
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that the judge would have the reduction or not.
her to give you a lower sentence?
sorry for what I have done in the past at that moment.
actually said at that moment that I apologize first to God for
actually failing him and actually I said I would do my best or
I would not fail him again.
I have a flaw.
Well, didn't you think what you said might help persuade
No, I said what I said.
When I said what I said, I feel
I'm a human being.
That's all I could say.
Unfortunately
I'm very sorry if I
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actually have made statements that later on I would be able
11
not to keep.
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Didn't you say then you were very sorry for what you did?
13
MR. JONES:
Objection.
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THE COURT:
Sustained.
15
During that sentence didn't you tell the judge you
16
learned crime doesn't pay?
17
I did.
18
Didn't you tell her "I hate it with my heart."
19
And I did.
20
Didn't you tell her you begged the court to have mercy
21
because you promised the court and you swore to God that you
22
will never in your life do wrong as long as you live?
23
Yes, I did say that.
24
When you got out of jail just a couple of years later,
25
you started selling drugs again?
If it's there, I did.
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I do now.
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That's correct.
MS. MESSINA:
No further questions.
THE COURT:
afternoon break now.
conclusions about any of the evidence in this case.
that you can't talk about the cases among yourselves or with
anyone else.
that might be connected with this case.
can't use your cell phone during the break and I would say
Ladies and gentlemen, we'll take our

Remember not to form or draw any
Remember
You can't read at, look at, listen to anything

Remember that you
10
about a quarter to four or so we'll be with you again.
11
your break.
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(Jury leaves courtroom).
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THE COURT:
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Mr. Francis, you will still be under
Enjoy
You may be seated.
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cross-examination by counsel for Mr. Defreitas.
16
discuss your testimony with anyone from the government.
17
certainly can discuss scheduling, but you have to limit your
18
discussions to that.
19
fifteen minutes.
20
the system?
22
or so.
Is fifteen minutes enough for you to change
It's an easy switch.
About 15 minutes
You can step down.
23
THE WITNESS:
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(Recess.)
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MS. WHALEN:
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You
We'll break for about ten or
MR. JONES:
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You can't
Thank you.
Two things.
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here.
Ms. Whalen, something to put on record?
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The witness is not presented.
MS. WHALEN:
Your client is
The jury is not present.
Just technical.
I want to know if I'm
only going to be refreshing the witness' recollection with the
document, if it's already marked as a piece of 3500, can I
refer to it by the 3500 material number rather than putting a
sticker on it?
with our sticker.
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If I'm putting it into evidence, I'll mark

In terms of refreshing his recollection, it
might be easier.
THE COURT:
I suppose that's fine.
I should
12
perhaps clarify for the record then that exhibits A through I
13
for the defense are for Defendant Kadir.
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15
I'll mark all my exhibits, anything
MS. WHALEN:
going into evidence, I'll mark it as RDA, RDB, so on.
16
THE COURT:
17
MS. WHALEN:
That's fine.
The second issue, I'm going to briefly
18
go over some of the material that Ms. Messina covered with
19
respect to the witness' prior conviction.
20
elicit the acts, but I think there are issues of credibility
21
that she didn't go into that I think are relevant.
22
specific actions with respect to the offense but about certain
23
statements that I think --
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credibility.
25
THE COURT:
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certain issues that go to his
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I know you'll shut me down if I'm not
I wanted to give everybody a heads-up.
THE COURT:
Are we ready to bring in the witness
and then the jury?
MS. WHALEN:
(Witness enters courtroom.)
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Yes.
Ms. Messina, you have some documents at
the witness stand.

MS. MESSINA:
Thank you.
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(Jury enters courtroom.)
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THE COURT:
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Do the parties agree that all our jurors are present
13
and properly seated?
14
MR. JONES:
15
MS. WHALEN:
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MR. NKRUMAH:
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THE COURT:
Yes, your Honor.

Yes, your Honor.
Yes.
This is the continuing
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cross-examination, this time by Ms. Whalen on behalf of
19
Mr. Defreitas.
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Mr. Francis, you're still under oath.
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THE WITNESS:
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THE COURT:
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CROSS-EXAMINATION.
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Yes.
You may start your cross, Ms. Whalen.
Good afternoon.
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Good afternoon.
Mr. Francis, you testified a few moments ago that you
pled guilty to racketeering and narcotics conspiracy in 1994;
is that correct?
Yes.
You were facing a very high sentence of, say, 25 to life
approximately?
Yes.
You received a sentence of 84 months; is that correct?
10
Yes.
11
That sentence is seven years; isn't that correct?
12
Yes.
13
We heard that you promised the court at that sentencing
14
you would never do wrong as long as you lived; is that
15
correct?
16
Yes.
17
You went to jail; is that right?
18
Yes.
19
Did you earn good time in jail?
20
I was awarded, yes, some good time, yes.
21
Good time is a reduction in sentence that inmates can
22
earn for being good in jail; is that right?
23
Yes.
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And --
25
No, actually, there's no good time in the federal system.
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There's time that's actually awarded to you.
good, it's taken away if you're not, but it's not actually
like if you behave good it's awarded.
lose that actually.
state prison.
It ends up reducing your sentence somewhat?
Yes, a few weeks or months, yes.
You went to jail for the 1994 offense; is that correct?
Yes.
10
You were released in April of 2006; is that correct?
11
No --
12
You were released from federal prison or released from
13
the halfway house that you had to go to in federal prison in
14
April of 2006; is that correct?
15
It's if you don't, you
It's similar but a little different than
I'm sorry.

MS. WHALEN:
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If you behave
I would like to show the witness
what's been previously --
withdrawn.
I'm going to mark as Defense Exhibit RD-A,
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Government Exhibit 3500-SF-175.
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second offense in 2002; is that correct?
22
Yes.
23
You cooperated in that offense; isn't that correct?
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Yes.
25
As part --
Mr. Francis, you testified that you were arrested for a
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you cooperated in the prosecution of that
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offense; is that correct?
Yes.
As part of that cooperation, you testified in the grand
jury; is that correct?
Yes.
I'm calling your attention to --
what's marked page 49.
I'll show you
--
You see that in front of you?
No.
THE COURT:
Just the witness?
MS. WHALEN:
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I think, Judge, the witness --
I can
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show it to just the witness to refresh his recollection, but I
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think he actually said he wasn't released then.
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impeaching him.
I believe I'm
I'm sorry, it's brought to my attention I made a
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15
mistake.
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Were you released in April of 2000; is that correct?
17
Yes.
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Sorry about that.

When you were released from jail in April, 2000, you
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had been arrested in 1994, right?
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Yes.
THE COURT:
22
So we're clear, released from federal
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prison?
24
Released from federal prison in 1994, correct?
25
Yes.
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Sorry, you were arrested in 1994, correct?
I'm sorry, I got lost.
Let me back up.
in 1994, correct?
Yes.
You weren't released from jail while you were being
prosecuted for that offense; is that correct?
No, I wasn't released.
Were you in jail the full-time?
10
Yes.
11
You weren't released from that sentence until April of
12
2000; is that correct?
13
Yes.
14
That means from 1994 until 2000 you spent about six years
15
total in jail, correct?
16
Yes, more or less.
17
When you were released from jail, did you have barbering
18
skills, haircutting skills?
19
Yes.
20
Did you have a barbering certificate or license?
21
No, I had an apprentice license in the State of New York.
22
Did you earn that --
23
that license while you were in custody?
24
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the facility, yes.
I apologize.
You were arrested for a federal offense
did you learn those skills, earn
I did not have a license.
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I used to work as a barber in
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At the time you were released, did you have the
apprentice license or no?
Yes, I applied for apprentice license in the year 2000.
When you were released from jail in April of 2000, you
were placed on federal supervision; isn't that correct?
Yes.
You were supposed to be on federal supervision for five
years; is that correct?
Yes.
10
You were supposed to report to a probation officer,
11
correct?
12
Yes.
13
Every month you had to file a report with that probation
14
officer; isn't that correct?
15
I used to show up, they would ask me questions, so forth.
16
Some of the questions they asked, they would ask you
17
where you were living, right?
18
Yes.
19
Asked you where you were working; isn't that correct?
20
Yes.
21
Asked you how much money you were making, correct?
22
Yes.
23
They would ask you if you had possession or used any
24
illegal drugs, correct?
25
Yes.
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If you failed to report truthfully to your probation
officer, that's a violation of your supervision, right?
Yes.
If you committed any new crimes when you were on
supervised release, that was also a violation of supervision,
correct?
Yes.
For a violation of supervised release, you could be sent
back to jail; isn't that right?
10
Yes.
11
In your case it could be for as long as five years; is
12
that correct?
13
Yes.
14
You said, you testified previously, that you became
15
involved in this new crime in January or February of 2001; is
16
that correct?
17
18
but yes.
19
20
to your probation officer?
21
Yes.
22
Were you reporting income from this crime to your
23
probation officer?
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25
probation officer.
At some point in 2001.
I don't remember exactly the date
When you were involved in this crime, you still reported
No, I wasn't reporting any of the crime whatsoever to the
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You didn't tell the probation officer about the money you
were earning, you didn't tell the probation officer about the
fact that you were handling illegal drugs, correct?
That is correct.
Did you report to your probation officer until your
arrest in November of 2002?
Yes.
You testified I believe last Friday when Mr. Jones was
asking you questions about your prior convictions.
He asked
10
you about the five kilos of drugs that you were arrested with
11
in your backpack, correct?
12
Yes.
13
Then he also asked you about the 44 kilos of drugs that
14
were found in the apartment; is that correct?
15
Yes.
16
I believe you testified that they weren't your drugs; is
17
that correct?
18
They weren't my drugs.
19
They were drugs that were part of the conspiracy,
20
correct?
21
That is correct.
22
You drove to New Jersey to pick those drugs up, right?
23
Yes.
24
You took them back to the stash house?
25
It was other peoples as well with me.
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You were part of that?
Yes.
In the stash house you would remove drugs or in the
apartment, you would take drugs out to deliver them to people;
isn't that correct?
Yes, under the instructions of my bosses, yes.
But you were doing all these things in terms of handling
the drugs, picking them up, delivering them, right?
Yes.
10
When you say they're not your drugs, you say they're not
11
your drugs because you didn't pay for them; is that correct?
12
13
owned the rights to the drugs.
14
a delivery guy.
15
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them to other people, right?
17
Yes.
18
Collecting the money for them, right?
19
Some occasions, yes.
20
You testified, or you were asked I believe by Ms. Messina
21
a how much money you were paid by the JTTF for working in this
22
case; do you remember that?
23
Yes, I was asked by her, yes.
24
You were paid a stipend, I think you said, which covered
25
your rent, food, those items?
They are not mine because there are people that actually
I was just working for them as
Your delivery was picking them up, right?
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Yes, they were covering my necessities, yes.
How much did you receive every month?
It would vary.
completely, no.
I can't recall right now the amount
In preparing --
withdrawn.
When did the JTTF stop paying you as an informant?
They haven't stopped as yet.
How much are you earning now?
Enough to live.
10
How much dollar-wise?
11
Right now, about over a thousand dollars, maybe less than
12
a thousand --
13
Less than $2,000.
14
Yes.
15
Is this similar to the amount that you were earning when
16
you were working on this case or is it less, is it more?
17
Probably less now than before, yes.
18
You would have been earning more when you were working on
19
this prosecution; is that correct?
20
21
only case I was doing.
22
from here to different states.
23
expenditures.
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25
were reimbursed for.
less than $2,000.

Is that per month?
Well, I was driving around a lot more.
Let me rephrase.
SS
I was not the
I had to be driving around actually

Those are great amount of
I'm not talking about monies that you

I'm talking about the money they gave
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you to live on instead of having a job.
This is exactly what I'm trying to cover.
This less than $2,000, that's the money that you're
earning to cover you instead of having a job, right?
this.
reimburse you for that expense; is that right?
10
I cannot hold a job right now.
If I'm able to hold a job I would be working right now.

If you have a specific expense, the JTTF, the FBI, they
On some occasions.
It's only on their determination, not
mine.
THE COURT:
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That's why I'm getting
I'm sorry, you say did you have an
expense, you mean an expense related to an investigation?

Yes, I'm sorry.
MS. WHALEN:
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Let's take, for example, I think you testified you paid
15
for the video camera used to shoot the JFK videos; is that
16
correct?
17
Yes.
18
Did you submit a report or request to be reimbursed for
19
the cost of that video camera?
20
I wasn't reimbursed for the camera.
21
Did they pay you up front for the video camera?
22
No.
23
Did you get to keep the video camera?
24
I had to surrender for evidence.
25
They never paid you for it?
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The camera, no.
Paid you for other things like gas?
Yes, like I said, I get a monthly allowance.
to the moving around, driving around, I would get reimbursed
for the gas at the time because I was under this one and many
other investigations.
around so I don't get no reimbursement or money for gas like I
used to.
Right now I'm not doing the driving
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EXAMINATION CONTINUES
BY MS. WHALEN:
were hundreds of recordings made in this case, isn't that
right?
but a great amount of recordings, yes.
amount of recordings that were made in this case at this
Okay.
Now, in terms of preparing for this trial, there
A great amount.
Okay.
I don't know the extent of the amount
And we haven't heard anywhere near the total
10
trial, is that correct?
11
I believe so, yes.
12
Okay.
13
all of the recordings?
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15
what -- whatever I was asked to listen and I have listened to.
16
17
recordings and those are the recordings you have listened to,
18
is that correct?
19
Of course, yes.
20
Okay.
21
listen to, you haven't listened to any of the other
22
recordings, is that correct?
23
24
such a great amount of recordings that I have listened to and
25
I don't know the total amount and I don't know the amount that
But in preparing for this case, did you listen to
All the recordings are here and a lot of other ones
Okay.
So you have been asked to listen to certain
Other than the recordings that you were given to
I am not sure.
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I don't know the amount.
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I actually I was given to listen.
It has been a lot of
recordings that I have listened to, yes.
not, right, because it's so many?
heard.
amount.
help -- you listened to those recordings to help prepare some
So you don't even know whether you have heard them all or
I am not sure for the amount of recordings that I have

So I apologize if actually I can't recall the whole
It's a great amount of recordings.
Okay.
In part you listened to those transcripts to
10
of the transcripts, is that correct?
11
I do not understand the question.
12
Okay.
13
transcripts, right?
14
Yes.
15
Okay.
16
with those transcripts, right?
17
Yes.
18
And the transcripts, were they perfect when you first
19
heard them or when you first read them?
20
21
many reasons, you know, to identify myself as a person that
22
was there, to make sure that the -- it's an accurate recording
23
of me and the people that were involved in this case.
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25
In front of you you've got a binder that's full of
You have listened to the tapes that are connected
Actually, I was listening to the tapes or recordings for
As I said before, it was not the only investigation

that I was doing.
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Also, to -- to read the transcript and also to understand that
if everything is more than accurate.
was you would listen to the recording and you'd read the
transcript to make sure the transcript was accurate, correct?
That's correct.
Mr. Francis, before I begin to ask you about
Mr. DeFreitas, I would like to play for you -- I would like to
take you back to the first day that you testified.
Okay.
It was Friday, a week -- more than a week ago,
10
11
correct?
12
Okay.
Friday?
THE COURT:
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14
In terms of accuracy, one of the things you did
Thursday.
Sorry.
It was Thursday more than a week ago, right?
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16
Thank you.
17
Okay.
18
Thursday.
I am going to have to you look at -- I'm sorry.
-- I've had technical difficulties.
19
government's computer.
20
locked out.
If I don't remember to wiggle it I get
I will try to remember to wiggle it.
Okay.
21
I have to use the
I'm sorry.
I am going to play for you and if everybody
22
could bring out their binders, we are going to look at
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Government Exhibit 201.
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four.
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I am going to ask you to look at page
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This phone call was on September 10, 2006,
correct?
Okay.
When we are talking about Dawood, this was a call to
Donald Nero, Dawood Masood, right?
Yes.
Okay.
little bit before 13:26 at the top of page four.

You see the marking in bold for the time?
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Let me bring it up to --I am starting just a
Yes.
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Okay. /OFPBLGT I believe you testified last week that
13
this question had caught you by surprise?
14
Yes, it did.
15
And you said that this wasn't something you had discussed
16
with Dawood Masood before, right?
17
That is correct.
18
And you said that he caught you by surprise with this
19
question, is that correct?
20
Yes.
21
Okay.
Now I am going to take you back to --
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I am going to take you back to the beginning of this
24
conversation, or near the beginning of this conversation, and
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there is no transcription of this portion of the conversation.
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But I think the clarity is good enough that we can hear it.
Okay.
At the beginning of this conversation you are
telling Dawood Masood what you had done that day, correct?
Yes.
That day was September 10, 2006, correct?
That is correct.
You said that you went to the mosque to give extra
10
prayers for the brothers who gave their all in the events of
11
five years ago, correct?
12
Yes.
13
And five years ago was very close to September 11, 2001,
14
isn't that correct?
15
Yes.
16
So you were saying, or this could be interpreted, as you
17
praying for the September 11th attackers, isn't that correct?
18
Yes.
19
And it could be interpreted as talking about the
20
brothers, meaning the Muslims, who conducted the
21
September 11th attack, isn't that correct?
22
If you want to interpret like that.
23
Well, so that when Dawood Masood, when Donald Nero later
24
on asks you if you would like to die as a martyr, his question
25
isn't coming completely out of the blue, is it?
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It came out of the blue.
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I wasn't expecting it actually
from him.
September 11th and those brothers dying five years ago?
died five years ago.
back at me and tell me if want to die as a martyr.
with Dawood Masood, was it?
Even though you had brought up the issue of
I had mentioned I was making Salah for the brothers that

But I -- it was him to actually come
This wasn't the first telephone conversation that you had
10
No.
I have plenty of them, yes.
11
Before then, right?
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Before.
13
You had plenty of conversations with Dawood Masood before
14
September 10th, is that correct?
15
That is correct.
16
Mr. Francis, I think, to make things easier, all of the
17
questions that I am going to ask you now deal with the time
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period when you first met Mr. DeFreitas in New York City?
19
Okay.
20
And he was planning to go to Guyana but he hadn't yet
21
left.
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Okay?
Yes.
This is before the first trip.
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Before the first trip.
25
Thank you.
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Now, you were asked to go and look for Mr. DeFreitas in
July of 2006, is that correct?
I was questioned on June 2006.
Okay.
Mr. DeFreitas?
Yes.
Okay.
that correct?
Yes.
10
So they may have asked you to look in June but you
11
actually didn't find him until July, is that correct?
12
It's possible, yes.
13
When you first met him, he wanted you to work security
14
for a delegation from Africa; is that correct?
15
Yes.
16
Did he ever explain to you, or did you ever learn, that
17
the delegation was a dance troop that was coming?
18
Let me -- weren't you shown a photograph of
And you were asked to go out and look for him, is
No, he didn't.
He didn't mention that.
He said that he needed -- Sheik Mohammed said that
19
20
he needed some brothers to actually make sure that the
21
delegation was protected at all the time.
22
to me -- oh, he actually did.
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the UN.
24
Okay.
25
Yes.
He didn't explain
He mentioned they were going to
This was a delegation that was going to the UN?

According to him, yes.
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correct?
delegation was not coming through.
But he never called you back about this,
He never -- we spoke about it after.
Let me break it down.
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He said that the
I'm sorry.
You met him, let's say, in July of 2006, correct?
I met him sometime between June and July, yes.
Okay.
I think you were with another person.
And after -- when you met him he asked you -- and

He asked the two of you
10
if you'd be interested in working security for this
11
delegation, is that correct?
12
He asked me.
13
Okay.
14
from him, is that correct?
15
A couple of days pass, yes.
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Okay.
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again about this job, isn't that correct?
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Yes.
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And when you looked for him, he told you -- actually told
20
you there was going to be a meeting about the delegation and
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the security, isn't that correct?
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saw him after.
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call me the next day and he didn't and I became concerned
25
because he told me specifically the time and date and I came
I don't know if he asked the other brother.
After he asked you this question, you didn't hear
In fact, you went back to look for him to ask him
I am not sure at this point if that was exactly when I
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The questioning was he told me he was going to
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back to see if he was okay and he was okay.
said oh, there is going to be a meeting tonight concerning
this security work, isn't that correct?
Okay.
But when you came to see him the second time, he
I am not sure.
I can't recall right now.
If you can show me something to recollect my memory.
I will show you what's been marked as Government Exhibit
3500 SF-3.
This would be the witness only.

Can you see it?
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Yes.
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I am going to ask you to look at the first, second,
12
third, fourth and fifth, if you could -- you can read the
13
whole document but I think the fourth and the fifth paragraphs
14
will be the most helpful.
15
Thank you.
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(Pause.)
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Yes, I recollect that.
It's accurate.
18
He set up a meeting and then he never showed up, is that
19
correct?
20
Yes.
21
But eventually you called him again or you ran into him
22
again, isn't that right?
23
Either I called or I ran -- ran into each other, yes.
24
He told you that he was planning a trip back to Guyana,
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isn't that correct?
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I am not sure.
told me that.
was going to go back to Guyana?
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I mean, the second or third meeting he
But at some point in the relationship you learned that he
Of course.
He was always speaking about Guyana and how
beautiful the country is and great natural resources and that
he also has great Islamic program and that he encouraged every
brother to go to Guyana at that point.
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materials and supplies to send back to Guyana, isn't that
12
correct?
13
That is correct.
14
And you offered to help him do that, isn't that correct?
15
Yes.
16
And so some days you would drive him -- I think he talks
17
about picking up barrels, is that correct?
18
Oh, yes.
19
These were barrels for shipping goods?
20
That is correct.
21
So he would look for barrels and you would give him a
22
lift so that he could find those barrels, right?
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Okay.
He also told you that he was trying to pick up
Yes.
I was asked if I was able to actually help him with
some of the stuff that he was picking up as well as the
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barrels, like you say, and many other things as well.
He was picking up, I think, computers at one point?
Yes.
He was also picking up items like -- he was interested in
picking up items like Shea butter and the perfume oils?
Yes.
Actually, he was interested -- those are computer
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parts that he was looking for.
a -- an Internet business in Guyana and he needed to fix a
10
computer or few computers.
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an Internet business.
According to him, he owned
I remember, yes.
When you got to Guyana though you learned he didn't have

It hadn't been set up.
Isn't that correct?
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He never spoke again about Internet business when we got
15
there.
16
Right.
17
He said there were some problems with it.
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recall him saying that was never established.
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that -- that it was established and that he needed some parts
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for the business.
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New York, correct?
23
Yes.
24
When you got to Guyana, you never saw any evidence of
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that business, isn't that correct?
But I don't
He did say
When he said it was established he was talking to you in
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I never saw it or he never spoke to me about it again.
Okay.
Shea butter and the perfume oils, is that correct?
I believe so, yes.
And you --
Actually, he was looking for many goods, not only that,
as many goods as he could actually send back to Guyana,
including food and many other -- many other items as well.
You also -- as I said, he was also looking for
On the days that you didn't drive him, I think there was
10
at least one occasion where you went with him on the subway to
11
help him price out Shea butter and perfume oils, those kinds
12
of things?
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that -- some of the Muslim brothers in -- in Atlantic Avenue
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and I knew a supplier that actually sells all kinds of Islamic
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items in Manhattan.
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benefit from the suppliers that actually would sell to him at
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wholesale.
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going into business?
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mentioning how profitable Guyana was and that I should look
23
into it and again, he gave me -- he gave my also video from
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Guyana to watch, take a look at and he also showed me at that
25
point some -- some Guyanese magazine or something.
He wanted me to introduce him to some of the suppliers
So I took him there so he could actually
Was he also talking to you about perhaps the two of you
I don't -- I don't know if at that point he was actually
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While you were -- at some point during these
drives or on the subway, Mr. DeFreitas tells you that he has a
mission, is that right?
spoke to me that very hot day that we had been packing most of
the goods that actually he was sending out.
some point that he had spoken to someone about me.
point he tell you that he had a mission?
It was not on the subway that I recall.
I recall that he
He mentioned at
Before that, before the talking about you, didn't at some
Before he mentioned anybody else or Guyana being
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involved in the mission, he told you he had a mission, isn't
12
that right?
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when exactly.
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mission or the other stuff that was going on talking about.
16
But he did mention several things as well, yes.
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you.
Like I said, if you can refresh my memory I can tell you
Okay.
I cannot recall exactly when he mentioned the
Just sort of -- I don't have specific dates for
At some point he talks about the mission, is that
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correct?
21
That is correct.
22
And at some point he talks about other people in Guyana
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being involved, isn't that correct?
24
Involved in what?
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In this mission.
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Which means?
Well, that's what I am asking you.
He told you he was -- he told you he had a mission,
right?
Yes.
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And the mission is the JFK plot.

Q
Let's back up a little bit.

At the very beginning, he didn't just blurt out this
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whole mission.
He told you he had a mission.
10
Isn't that correct?
11
He didn't give you a lot of detail?
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exactly he told me about the word mission, we can be talking
14
about the same day that we having the conversation about me
15
being backgrounded, me being send by Allah for this mission,
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and the -- and the matter of the mission.
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cannot recollect my thoughts, then I know nor a fact that on
18
the same particular day he mentions I was backgrounded by a
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person that we both know, which is Doctor Ali.
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mentions that he -- his mission was greater than the World
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Trade.
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mentions the mission to me.
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Like I explained before, because I cannot recollect when
So because he
He also
He also mentioned that I was sent by Allah and he
So all that happened in one day.
I just like to
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know if I can recollect again if he mentioned any other day so
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I can be of help to you.
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Okay.
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It is your testimony that all of those
conversations happened in the same day?
yes.
It was over a period of time on the same day?
No.
We spoke about them, different matters, on trip in truck,
Actually, it was a conversation that he had.
were packing and you spoke about it in the truck?
10
Okay.
You are saying that you spoke about it when you
No.
11
I said after very hot day of me helping him packing
12
goods, I remember we took a drive in the truck and he
13
mentioned to me of this mission, which was greater than the
14
World Trade.
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he had done some background check with Doctor Ali, saying that
16
he could not have picked any better brother and that I was
17
sent by Allah and so forth.
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I remember him mentioning the -- the fact that
Again, if you want me to break it down, I will plead
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to you to show me some documentation or anything that can
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refresh my memory so I can be of better help to you.
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No.
Your memory is good.

What I am asking you though is when he first talked
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about this, he told you it was a mission and it was bigger
24
than the World Trade Center but he didn't say it involved the
25
JFK Airport, is that correct?
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He did mention at some point, yes.
At some point?
Yes.
At some point but not initially, isn't that correct?
In the conversation he mentioned -- he mentioned the fact
that it was high tech thing, where it involves some people
bringing planes into United States without being detected.
the United States without being detected.
Okay.
He told you that it involved bringing planes into
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He didn't tell you that it involved blowing up JFK.
11
Correct?
12
As I mentioned before, I cannot recollect exactly where
13
everything was breaking down.
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actually better assist you.
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what's been previously marked as Government Exhibit
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3500 SF-10.
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the first page and then when you are finished I will turn it
19
over to read another paragraph.
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If you can help me, I can
Actually, let -- I am going to show the witness only
I would ask you to look at the last paragraph on
Thank you.
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Francis - cross/Whalen
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I have finished the first page.

(Pause.)
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3
The first three paragraphs on this next page.
All right.
Does that refresh your recollection as to whether he told
you that?
Yes.
And he didn't mention that the plot or the mission
involved blowing up JFK?

Actually, the mission did involve somewhat the
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conversation of JFK as I recollect.
12
saying the people was ready to land the plane in the JFK
13
without being detected.
And actually he was
He did mention also that it was a very high-tech
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15
attack and it wouldn't be a suicide attack.
16
actually mentioned.
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18
Napoli, correct?
19
Yes.
20
And every day or every so often as soon as you had -- as
21
soon as something happened, you would report to Mr. Napoli and
22
tell him what happened; isn't that correct?
23
Yes.
24
And you would tell him to the best of your memory what
25
happened; isn't that correct?
Okay.
So that's what he
Again, at this time you were reporting to Louie
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Yes, like I did now.
You tried to be as accurate as possible, isn't that
correct?
Yes.
Now, when you were still in New York, when both you and
Mr. DeFreitas were still in New York in July and August of
2006, that was when he introduced you over the telephone to
Dawood Massood, isn't that correct?
Yes.
10
And he also introduced you to Ponytail, also called Long
11
Hair, is that correct?
12
Yes.
13
And the same way that Mr. DeFreitas had been talking of
14
Guyana, they wanted you to come to Guyana as well, isn't that
15
correct?
16
Yes, they wanted me to come down, yes.
17
And partly, it was because your understanding at that
18
time was that they were involved in the mission, isn't that
19
correct?
20
They were involved in the JFK plot, yes.
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Well, they were involved in the mission at this point,
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correct?
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MR. MILLER:
Objection.
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THE COURT:
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Were they involved in the mission that was initially
I will allow it.
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described to you by Mr. DeFreitas?

THE WITNESS:
Yes.
But they also wanted you to come to Guyana to celebrate
Ramadan with them, isn't that correct?
Yes.
And Ramadan is, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's the
biggest, if not one of the biggest holidays in the Muslim
calendar, isn't that correct?
Yes.
10
And they wanted you to come down and celebrate it with
11
them, isn't that correct?
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excuse for me to fly to Guyana.
14
Ramadan lasts for about an a month, isn't that correct?
15
Yes.
16
And you weren't going to be there -- let me rephrase
17
that.
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spoke to Sheik Mohammed that I should not be there for the
20
whole month but towards the end of the month.
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September and October of 2006?
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Yes.
24
Once Mr. DeFreitas introduced you over the telephone to
25
Dawood, you and he talked a number of times on your own
Yes, they were using that as a means of flying, as an
Were you there for the whole Ramadan season?

I was asked by Sheik Dawood Massood, as well as -- they
And at this point Ramadan that year would have been in
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without Mr. DeFreitas, isn't that correct?
Dawood on the regular basis.
favors initially, isn't that correct?
Yes.
And Dawood told you that his wife was living in New York
City and wanted your wife to speak to his wife, isn't that
correct?
Yes, it was instructions of Sheik Mohammed that I call

The more I call him the better.
And when you called him, Dawood asked you for a number of
Like all of them did, yes.
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Yes.
11
And at one point he asked you to bring his wife to Guyana
12
for Ramadan, isn't that correct?
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but I do remember.
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as 3500 SF 15.
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important, so if you could read that, please.
I remember somewhat.
I don't remember the facts about,
Let me just -- I'm going to show you what has been marked
I think second paragraph is probably the most
(Pause.)
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Yes.
20
Does that refresh your memory as to whether Dawood asked
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to you bring his wife to Guyana for Ramadan?
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23
not only to bring her to Guyana, but actually help her with
24
the passport and other things.
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difficult to reach and as I actually tried to help her --
He asked me to communicate with her and actually do --
But his wife was very
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We don't need an explanation.
the questions that I've asked.
Just if you could answer
So he asked you to bring her down to Guyana for
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4
Ramadan, correct, Dawood Massood asked to you bring his wife
to Guyana for Ramadan?
He asked me that, yes.
He also asked you, Dawood Massood asked to you help his
wife get a passport; is that correct?
Yes, to help her with the matter of the passport, yes.
10
And you ended up not helping her with either of those
11
things; is that correct?
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her and she always claimed she was busy.
14
could actually following the instructions that Dawood asked
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me, but I wasn't successful on it.
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isn't that correct?
18
On some occasions.
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While you were still in New York and Mr. DeFreitas was
20
still in New York; correct?
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can recollect my memory.
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Exhibit 3500 SF 12.
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help refresh your recollection about that.
It was impossible -- almost impossible for me to reach to

I did everything I
Now, you also spoke to Ponytail on a number of occasions,
I don't know how many.
I'm not sure if Sheik Mohammed was here or not.
If you
I show you what has been marked as Government

I think probably paragraphs 2 and 3 would
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(Pause.)
Sheik Mohammed was still in New York City when he tried
to put you in touch with Ponytail, isn't that correct?
Yes.
And he actually was trying to put you in touch with
Ponytail through Dawood Massood, correct?
Yes.
And eventually you were speaking to Ponytail -- the thing
where you were speaking to Dawood, you were calling him,
10
talking to him, or he was calling you, isn't that correct?
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12
with Ponytail.
13
touch with him before Sheik Mohammed was gone or was here.
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to show you is 3500 SF 17.
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paragraph that will give you a date for when Mr. DeFreitas
17
left New York.
18
Yes.
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So you're anchored on that date.
20
you what has been marked as Government Exhibit 3500 SF 14.
Here it says that I wasn't successful getting in touch

So it doesn't show me if actually I got in
Just to put this in context.
The first thing I'm going
I think if you look at the second
Then I'm going to show
I think probably the most relevant paragraph is the
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one at the bottom of the page.
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date on the paper you took off first?
25
The date on the paper you have says 8/10.
What is the
I'm sorry.
This one -- can you see it?
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Thank you.
I'm sorry.
Let me show you this one.
think it's 8/10.
No problem.
Look at the last paragraph.
If you can look at it, I don't
Thank you.
(Pause.)
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Yes, I read it.
So you spoke to Ponytail when Mr. DeFreitas was still in
New York City; is that correct?
10
Yes.
11
Okay.
12
of with your conversations with Ponytail, did he tell you that
13
Mr. DeFreitas wasn't going to have all the details until Mr.
14
DeFreitas came to Guyana?
In some of your conversations or at least in one
15
MR. JONES:
Objection.
16
THE COURT:
Would you read the question.
17
(Record read.)
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THE COURT:
I will allow it.
You can answer the
19
question.
20
I'm not sure if I had the conversation before.
21
Okay.
22
I'm showing here that I discussed with --
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THE COURT:
You can't read what is in the document
24
because the document is not in evidence.
25
refresh your memory.
It's just used to
Actually, if you look at the second page of this
document, which I'm showing you now, the top paragraph.
Yes.
MR. JONES:
May we approach, your Honor?
THE COURT:
Yes.
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(Sidebar.)
MR. JONES:
Your Honor, I believe we are now in two
levels of hearsay.
DeFreitas said to this defendant is admissible.
I don't understand what Ponytail said to
MS. WHALEN:
I can break it down.
I can break it
down to say at some point did you ask Mr. DeFreitas for
details about the plot?
will say but did Mr. DeFreitas tell you he didn't know about
the details?
Then I believe he'll say yes.
I hope he'll say yes.
Then I
Then I can say, did
10
Ponytail tell you --
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MR. JONES:
What Ponytail told him isn't admissible.
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THE COURT:
Now I'm a little bit confused.
13
was part of the plot?
14
MS. WHALEN:
15
Ponytail
Ponytail was a government informant at
least in Guyana.
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MR. MILLER:
17
not part of the plot.
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we have here is, as far as I can understand the question, the
19
request is for Mr. Francis to testify to what Ponytail told
20
him that DeFreitias told Ponytail.
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He was providing information -- he was

He was informing on the plot.
So what
We haven't been objecting to too many statements of
22
Mr. DeFreitas because we asked about a lot of statements of
23
Mr. DeFreitas, so it seemed fair for Miss Whalen to be able to
24
explore Mr. DeFreitas's statement to Mr. Francis.
25
Now we're into what Ponytail said about what
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DeFreitas said to him and we have created a two-headed monster
of hearsay, which doesn't seem admissible in any way.

THE COURT:
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Was Francis aware that he was an
informant?
MR. MILLER:
No.
We didn't introduce the statements of Ponytail
because even if the government had introduced statements of
Ponytail or tried to, we wouldn't have been able to because
they were not coconspirator statements so we stayed away from
10
introducing statements of Ponytail because they are
11
inadmissible when anybody offers them, from our point of view,
12
because they are not coconspirator statements; from
13
defendants' point of view because they are hearsay,
14
particularly when he's talking now about his own information
15
but information which supposedly Mr. DeFreitas might have told
16
him.
17
I would note also that the report, which is a third
18
level of hearsay, it's a report about what Francis said that
19
Ponytail said to DeFreitas.
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MS. WHALEN:
With respect to Mr. DeFreitas, it is
21
not hearsay because it's his state of mind.
22
that Ponytail was an informant.
23
information that he didn't have, the details of what was going
24
to happen and he wasn't supposed to learn the details until he
25
went to Guyana.
He didn't know
He was waiting for
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THE COURT:
I certainly think you can go into what
DeFreitas said to Mr. Francis about what he knew or didn't
know and whether DeFreitas told him that he was going to learn
more when he got to Guyana.
Ponytail issue which is a little bit complicated.

MS. WHALEN:
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THE COURT:
MR. MILLER:
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I'm about to finish
Do you want to start early tomorrow?

We talked about starting early tomorrow
because it's a short day.

THE COURT:
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It is 5 o'clock.
with New York City and then move on to another trip.
10
This way you'll avoid the
Yes.
I will talk to them about
tomorrow.
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Miss Whalen, can you rephrase the
question, please.
MS. WHALEN:
I will, your Honor.
Let me take you -- at some point you spoke to?
Mr. DeFreitas about the details of the plan, or you asked Mr.
DeFreitas for details about the plan, isn't that correct?
to be high-tech matter and that the reason of my going to
I remember Sheik Mohammed explain to me that it was going
10
Guyana was actually because for them to know me and to
11
understand better the position of the -- what do they mean by
12
high-tech.
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14
him you wanted to know the specifics of the plan so that you
15
could prepare yourself physically and mentally and wanted to
16
also let your family know how long you were going to be gone
17
and make preparations for them, isn't that correct?
18
Yes.
19
And at that point Mr. DeFreitas said, you know, I need to
20
know the date; isn't that correct?
21
No.
22
Let me show you what has been marked Government
23
Exhibit 3500 SF 17. The last paragraph is probably the most
24
relevant.
25
So you had a conversation with Mr. DeFreitas and you told
(Pause.)
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He didn't mean like that.
Actually what he said was that
he needed to understand what was the high-tech of the plot.
That's what he was discussed.
details of the plot; is that correct?
He did not understand what they meant by high-tech.
This conversation took place as you were driving
Mr. DeFreitas to the airport, where you were telling him you
needed the specifics and he was telling you he needed the
So at this point Mr. DeFreitas didn't have all the
10
details; is that correct?
11
You want me to read it?
12
Look at the second paragraph just to see if that
13
refreshes your recollection.
14
the document.
I don't want to you read from
(Pause.)
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All right.
17
I'm just asking you, reading that, did you -- or not even
18
reading that, let me flat out ask you:
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Mr. DeFreitas, you had it as you were driving him to JFK
20
Airport to go to Guyana, isn't that correct?
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This is what I just read.
This conversation with
Yes.
MS. WHALEN:
No further questions at this point,
your Honor, for the evening.
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THE COURT:
All right.
25
We're going to continue with the cross-examination
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of this witness tomorrow, but let me just talk to you a little
bit about our scheduling because for the next two days it's
going to be a little bit different.

We have to accommodate one of your fellow jurors
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5
with an appointment for tomorrow so we're going to be starting
at 9 o'clock.
We will be ending the day early at 2:30.
So we can move the case along, we're not going to
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have a break for lunch.
So what you will do is, we'll have a
little bit longer, maybe half an hour morning break, so I
10
suggest, one, have a nice big breakfast before you come in
11
and, secondly, bring something to snack on, nuts or food, or
12
if you want to bring a sandwich or something, we have a
13
refrigerator in there for you.
14
about half an hour so that we can finish early.
We're only going to break for
I don't recall if anybody has dietary needs or
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whatever, but make sure, especially if you do, make sure to
17
bring something to snack on and we're going to end at 2:30
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tomorrow.
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end at 2:30.
20
Tomorrow you come in at 9 o'clock.
We're going to
That is for tomorrow, Tuesday.
On Wednesday, which is the 14th, I have some other
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matters that I need to attend to that I was unable to
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reschedule.
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THE COURT:
(Continuing)
come in on Wednesday --
leave at 2:30.
I'm going to ask you to
tomorrow you come in at 9:00 o'clock,
Wednesday we're going to ask you to come in at 1:30
in the afternoon.
little bit later, make sure you have your lunch.
go through, have our mid-afternoon break, but we'll probably
work until about 5:30 or 6:00 o'clock on Wednesday, but we are
going to start in later.
Then we'll
I'll remind you tomorrow anyway about our Wednesday
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You have your lunch in advance, sleep a
schedule before we break.

For now, for tomorrow, remember we're starting at
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9:00 o'clock.
Bring something to snack on, to munch on.
14
give you a little longer break in the morning.
15
break at 2:30.
I'll
Then we'll
16
Remember you already know by now, don't form or draw
17
any conclusions from what you heard or have seen in this case.
Don't talk to anybody about this case, either among
18
19
yourselves or with anyone else, not family members, coworkers,
20
friends.
21
media or do any kind of research about anything that's
22
connected to this case at all.
23
You can't read, look at, listen to over any kind of
We will see you tomorrow at 9:00 o'clock.
24
starting earlier.
25
can go home and sleep after.
SS
Go to bed early, get your rest.
OCR
CM
CRR
CSR
We're
Then you
3350
1
Safe home.
(Jury leaves courtroom.)
THE COURT:
The jury is no longer present.
Mr. Francis, you're still under cross-examination by
You can all have a seat, please.
Ms. Whalen.
your testimony with the government or anyone from the
government team.
that you can discuss, just not the substance of your
10
Once again, I remind you that you can't discuss
Of course, if it comes down to scheduling,
testimony.
11
THE WITNESS:
12
THE COURT:
13
Yes.
Please step down.
We'll need you at
9:30.
14
THE WITNESS:
15
THE COURT:
16
THE WITNESS:
17
THE COURT:
18
(Witness leaves courtroom.)
19
THE COURT:
20
How are you moving along with regard to the
21
22
Thank you.
Did you say 9:30?
I meant 9:00 o'clock.
I'm sorry.
In the morning?
Yes.
I hope I didn't confuse anybody.
Trinidadian witnesses?
MR. MILLER:
I believe we've reached an agreement
23
with the defense that will obviate the need, I believe, to
24
call three of our witnesses.
25
ensure the stipulation does cover what we need to elicit from
SS
OCR
I want to go back to the office,
CM
CRR
CSR
3351
1
them.
I think it does.
scheduling issue.
3
4
THE COURT:
MR. MILLER:
That's correct.
There's one witness
that we still need to call.
THE COURT:
MR. MILLER:
Those were the ones you were concerned
about getting on and off the stand?
5
6
That should take care of that
Given the pace --
Levitt?
Also Calvin Bennett from Trinidad.
I don't know, maybe Ms. Whalen can predict
10
when she might finish, at least give us a ballpark figure.
11
sense is Mr. Bennett could come soon after.

THE COURT:
12
13
14
recross.
We still have to do some redirect and
Ms. Whalen just got started this afternoon.

MS. WHALEN:
I can't see me going past tomorrow.
15
don't know if I'll finish with enough time to get anything
16
else substantively done.
17
tonight and try to streamline it a bit more.
18
19
My
THE COURT:
I'm doing my best.
I will go home
I don't mean to hamper you at all, just
trying to get an idea.
20
MS. WHALEN:
Sure.
21
MR. MILLER:
My sense as long as Mr. Bennett -- we
22
could call him Wednesday.
23
be able, if it seems to go on much longer, perhaps we need to
24
break before redirect but I have a sense we may be in a
25
position, given the other witnesses may not be called, we
SS
OCR
That should be fine.
CM
CRR
CSR
We ought to
3352
1
could proceed according to the regular schedule.
the court up to date.
We'll keep
THE COURT:
That sounds fine.
I'll see everybody at 9:00 o'clock tomorrow.
(Whereupon this matter concluded for this date.)
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
SS
OCR
CM
CRR
CSR
3353
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1
2
3
W I T N E S S:
4
5
S T E V E N
CROSS EXAMINATION
3165
CROSS-EXAMINATION CONTINUED.
3188
BY MS. MESSINA:
F R A N C I S
10
BY MS. MESSINA
11
12
BY MS. MESSINA
13
CROSS-EXAMINATION
14
BY MS. WHALEN
3165
3220
3296
3307
15
16
17
18
E X H I B I T S:
19
20
3198
21
3241
22
23
24
25
GR
OCR
CM
CRR
CSR
1
$
$2,000 [3] - 3316:12, 3316:13, 3317:3
$200 [1] - 3276:22
$250 [1] - 3276:22
$450 [1] - 3276:21
$56,000 [1] - 3289:15
/
/OFPBLGT [1] - 3322:12
0
07 [1] - 3152:14
07-543 [1] - 3151:4
1
10 [2] - 3322:1, 3323:7
100 [4] - 3158:18, 3170:12, 3289:21,
3293:23
10th [1] - 3324:14
11 [1] - 3323:13
11:45 [1] - 3218:24
11th [3] - 3323:17, 3323:21, 3324:4
12 [3] - 3151:9, 3300:5, 3339:24
120 [6] - 3190:24, 3290:4, 3292:15,
3292:21, 3292:24, 3296:11
13:26 [1] - 3322:8
14 [2] - 3262:15, 3340:20
14th [1] - 3348:20
15 [4] - 3226:18, 3227:21, 3305:21,
3338:16
151-20 [1] - 3229:10
16th [1] - 3255:10
17 [2] - 3340:15, 3346:23
175 [1] - 3291:1
18th [1] - 3206:14
19 [3] - 3264:10, 3292:18, 3296:5
1994 [8] - 3301:3, 3308:3, 3309:8,
3310:20, 3310:24, 3311:1, 3311:4,
3311:14
19th [3] - 3255:4, 3264:11, 3265:22
1:30 [1] - 3349:4
2
2 [1] - 3339:24
20 [1] - 3221:13
2000 [6] - 3310:16, 3310:19, 3311:12,
3311:14, 3312:3, 3312:4
2001 [5] - 3288:8, 3313:15, 3313:17,
3323:13
2002 [4] - 3287:11, 3288:9, 3309:21,
3314:6
GR
2005 [1] - 3224:21

2006 [10] - 3309:10, 3309:14, 3322:1,
3323:7, 3324:24, 3325:2, 3325:3,
3326:6, 3336:7, 3337:22
2007 [7] - 3199:23, 3229:4, 3246:13,
3261:9, 3264:10, 3265:21, 3265:22
201 [1] - 3321:23
2010 [1] - 3151:9
214 [2] - 3178:13, 3178:15
216 [5] - 3184:19, 3185:5, 3190:24,
3199:6, 3199:8
217 [2] - 3211:17, 3215:14
22 [1] - 3221:13
223 [8] - 3154:11, 3155:16, 3155:22,
3155:24, 3161:18, 3262:14
223-T [2] - 3220:6, 3226:6
225 [2] - 3152:1, 3279:9
23rd [2] - 3254:20, 3254:23
25 [5] - 3287:8, 3294:9, 3294:10,
3296:16, 3308:6
25-inch [1] - 3167:4
26th [1] - 3255:2
271 [1] - 3151:19
29 [1] - 3292:18
2:00 [2] - 3251:11, 3251:15
2:30 [5] - 3348:6, 3348:17, 3348:19,
3349:3, 3349:15
2nd [2] - 3251:20, 3251:24
41 [4] - 3161:17, 3223:2, 3223:6,

3223:16
42 [3] - 3221:11, 3223:13, 3223:15
43 [2] - 3226:24, 3227:19
44 [1] - 3314:13
49 [1] - 3310:7
4th [1] - 3252:3
5
5 [1] - 3345:6
50 [2] - 3159:4
52 [2] - 3155:17, 3220:8
543 [1] - 3152:14
5:30 [1] - 3349:8
5K1 [1] - 3303:22
5th [1] - 3252:3
6
608 [2] - 3293:15, 3293:19
61 [2] - 3198:20, 3199:16
613-2538 [1] - 3152:2
62 [1] - 3207:3
6:00 [1] - 3349:8
6th [1] - 3252:3
3
3 [1] - 3339:24
30 [2] - 3290:24, 3291:1
302 [1] - 3161:6
302s [2] - 3219:18, 3219:20
31 [1] - 3162:10
3165 [2] - 3353:5, 3353:6
3188 [1] - 3353:7
3198 [1] - 3353:20
3220 [1] - 3353:9
3241 [1] - 3353:21
3296 [1] - 3353:11
3307 [1] - 3353:14
342 [2] - 3155:1, 3159:2
3500 [14] - 3201:16, 3219:21, 3222:10,
3290:25, 3291:1, 3306:6, 3306:7,
3327:8, 3334:17, 3338:16, 3339:24,
3340:15, 3340:20, 3346:23
3500-SF-132 [1] - 3231:13
3500-SF-175 [1] - 3309:19
3656 [1] - 3287:20
375315 [1] - 3224:21
3rd [1] - 3252:3
4
40 [5] - 3155:4, 3155:6, 3155:21,
3156:2, 3220:8
OCR
CM
CRR
7 [1] - 3199:23
70 [1] - 3292:24
71 [3] - 3292:6, 3292:8, 3293:23
718 [1] - 3152:2
7th [3] - 3184:9, 3184:13, 3199:18
8
8/10 [2] - 3340:23, 3341:3
80 [1] - 3159:4
80-page [3] - 3158:24, 3159:3,
3159:18
803(3 [4] - 3224:4, 3224:16, 3224:22,
3225:1
84 [2] - 3293:23, 3308:9
85 [1] - 3299:21
9
9 [5] - 3199:17, 3199:23, 3224:21,
3348:6, 3348:18
9/11 [1] - 3161:19
9:00 [5] - 3349:2, 3349:13, 3349:23,
3350:15, 3352:4
9:15 [1] - 3199:10
9:30 [2] - 3350:13, 3350:14
9:40 [1] - 3151:10
CSR
2
9:51 [1] - 3199:11
A
a.m [3] - 3151:10, 3199:10, 3199:11
A1 [2] - 3289:11, 3293:10
abandon [1] - 3247:9
abandoned [1] - 3225:14
Abdel [17] - 3167:10, 3211:25, 3212:2,
3212:3, 3212:5, 3261:5, 3269:20,
3274:13, 3274:16, 3275:7, 3276:4,
3276:19, 3276:23, 3277:6, 3282:4,
3283:17
Abdu [1] - 3212:23
ABDUL [1] - 3151:8
Abdul [33] - 3153:3, 3178:7, 3204:21,
3204:23, 3205:17, 3205:19, 3205:21,
3206:15, 3206:22, 3207:1, 3208:4,
3212:1, 3212:4, 3212:13, 3212:14,
3212:15, 3212:16, 3212:18, 3212:20,
3231:23, 3239:7, 3243:22, 3244:1,
3244:17, 3268:11, 3272:6, 3283:24,
3285:5
abhorrent [2] - 3282:12, 3282:23
ability [2] - 3233:2, 3246:10
able [18] - 3160:15, 3170:18, 3181:2,
3183:16, 3208:10, 3233:22, 3233:25,
3234:3, 3236:15, 3252:25, 3269:18,
3281:19, 3304:10, 3317:6, 3328:24,
3343:23, 3344:8, 3351:23
abroad [1] - 3282:11
absence [2] - 3152:10, 3257:2
absolutely [3] - 3163:13, 3226:17,
3247:21
Abu [30] - 3212:10, 3212:16, 3213:6,
3216:9, 3216:14, 3218:10, 3221:21,
3243:19, 3243:25, 3244:14, 3244:25,
3274:6, 3275:3, 3275:8, 3275:11,
3275:15, 3277:5, 3278:20, 3278:24,
3279:2, 3279:23, 3280:6, 3280:17,
3281:6, 3281:18, 3281:19, 3281:24,
3282:5, 3282:11, 3282:24
access [9] - 3231:7, 3234:25, 3235:5,
3235:12, 3235:13, 3235:14, 3235:20,
3236:25, 3287:18
accommodate [2] - 3252:25, 3348:4
accomplished [1] - 3205:20
according [16] - 3232:20, 3233:2,
3233:16, 3243:21, 3243:25, 3244:7,
3268:10, 3269:24, 3273:1, 3275:25,
3298:24, 3300:11, 3318:3, 3325:25,
3329:8, 3352:1
account [8] - 3237:25, 3238:3, 3238:6,
3248:4, 3248:8, 3283:8, 3283:13,
3283:14
accuracy [2] - 3156:17, 3321:3
accurate [8] - 3157:6, 3240:24,
3241:4, 3320:22, 3321:2, 3321:5,
3327:17, 3336:2
GR
acknowledge [1] - 3183:5

acknowledged [1] - 3159:2
acquaintances [2] - 3290:14, 3290:15
act [4] - 3201:14, 3226:22, 3271:6,
3298:17
acting [1] - 3271:2
action [1] - 3224:14
actions [2] - 3269:22, 3306:22
acts [3] - 3295:6, 3295:7, 3306:20
actual [2] - 3157:18, 3258:21
add [4] - 3220:12, 3221:5, 3221:8,
3235:18
addition [2] - 3264:21, 3299:7
additional [5] - 3159:19, 3204:10,
3220:11, 3253:14, 3255:11
Addonizio [1] - 3152:19
address [3] - 3155:13, 3252:10,
3287:23
adept [1] - 3179:11
admissible [5] - 3159:20, 3225:3,
3343:4, 3343:11, 3344:2
admit [5] - 3156:4, 3159:15, 3159:19,
3241:13, 3241:14
admitted [12] - 3155:5, 3158:19,
3184:24, 3204:4, 3220:20, 3220:21,
3241:25, 3262:13, 3292:23, 3293:14,
3293:22, 3294:17
admitting [1] - 3222:24
adopted [4] - 3225:8, 3225:9, 3225:11,
3225:13
adopting [3] - 3158:9, 3163:5, 3221:12
adoption [2] - 3222:22, 3224:5
advance [4] - 3154:2, 3234:9, 3251:22,
3349:5
advanced [1] - 3239:18
advice [1] - 3268:14
advising [1] - 3297:2
affect [1] - 3256:7
Afghanistan [2] - 3231:8, 3237:1
afield [4] - 3247:25, 3248:25, 3250:10,
3295:13
Africa [1] - 3325:14
afternoon [7] - 3156:13, 3305:4,
3307:25, 3308:1, 3349:5, 3349:7,
3351:13
age [1] - 3244:23
agent [7] - 3216:25, 3230:6, 3230:21,
3232:4, 3232:5, 3239:9, 3276:24
agents [1] - 3196:3
aggression [1] - 3268:25
aggressive [3] - 3272:25, 3273:2,
3286:8
aggressively [1] - 3271:7
ago [10] - 3170:16, 3170:18, 3265:10,
3308:2, 3321:10, 3321:15, 3323:11,
3323:13, 3324:4, 3324:6
agree [10] - 3158:7, 3158:8, 3158:14,
3164:16, 3224:11, 3228:13, 3257:23,
3271:5, 3294:2, 3307:12
agreed [1] - 3230:24
OCR
CM
CRR
agreeing [3] - 3158:9, 3162:9, 3221:12

agreement [18] - 3183:7, 3255:22,
3293:11, 3296:19, 3298:14, 3298:15,
3298:17, 3298:19, 3298:20, 3298:21,
3299:9, 3299:17, 3299:21, 3299:25,
3300:5, 3300:19, 3300:23, 3350:22
agrees [1] - 3162:6
ah-uh [1] - 3282:10
ahead [3] - 3162:14, 3180:5, 3180:16
Ahmad [1] - 3152:18
AHMAD [1] - 3151:18
aid [1] - 3191:2
aided [1] - 3152:4
airport [21] - 3173:23, 3190:3,
3192:22, 3238:10, 3238:12, 3238:14,
3239:4, 3239:6, 3239:8, 3239:9,
3239:10, 3239:11, 3239:14, 3240:5,
3242:14, 3242:22, 3258:21, 3265:14,
3275:15, 3278:6, 3347:8
Airport [5] - 3157:21, 3177:9, 3182:19,
3333:25, 3347:20
al [1] - 3152:14
Al [8] - 3158:7, 3158:8, 3158:14,
3221:17, 3221:22, 3221:23, 3223:21,
3225:16
alaikum [1] - 3180:22
Ali [2] - 3332:19, 3333:15
Allah [5] - 3162:7, 3162:13, 3332:15,
3332:21, 3333:17
alleged [1] - 3231:24
allow [6] - 3169:22, 3203:18, 3286:4,
3295:11, 3336:24, 3341:18
allowance [1] - 3318:3
allowed [3] - 3227:11, 3235:10,
3259:17
allows [1] - 3224:4
almost [2] - 3176:4, 3339:12
America [1] - 3221:25
AMERICA [1] - 3151:4
amount [19] - 3206:25, 3242:17,
3252:17, 3289:15, 3289:23, 3316:3,
3316:15, 3316:22, 3319:6, 3319:7,
3319:9, 3319:23, 3319:24, 3319:25,
3320:5, 3320:7
ample [1] - 3249:2
analysis [1] - 3222:21
Anas [3] - 3221:19, 3226:21, 3231:7
anchored [1] - 3340:19
Annas [8] - 3156:20, 3156:21, 3157:3,
3157:25, 3158:5, 3160:4, 3160:6
announcement [1] - 3185:16
annoyed [2] - 3279:15, 3279:19
answer [16] - 3172:8, 3173:5, 3176:24,
3182:10, 3191:9, 3211:12, 3215:7,
3221:2, 3232:23, 3269:18, 3272:14,
3279:3, 3281:9, 3285:15, 3339:1,
3341:18
answered [8] - 3173:16, 3174:8,
3176:19, 3178:11, 3190:14, 3281:13,
3286:11, 3298:9
CSR
3
answers [4] - 3170:1, 3263:25, 3280:9,
3292:21
anticipated [1] - 3254:11
anticipating [1] - 3234:8
anxious [4] - 3206:4, 3206:5, 3206:6,
3208:16
anyway [1] - 3349:10
apart [1] - 3191:6
apartment [2] - 3314:14, 3315:4
apologize [6] - 3179:5, 3179:24,
3278:2, 3304:6, 3311:2, 3320:6
appear [2] - 3272:18, 3282:19
appearances [1] - 3152:15
APPEARANCES [1] - 3151:14
applied [1] - 3312:3
appointment [1] - 3348:5
appreciate [7] - 3187:10, 3266:4,
3269:18, 3269:23, 3271:3, 3280:22,
3284:5
apprentice [3] - 3311:21, 3312:2,
3312:3
approach [7] - 3165:6, 3198:25,
3214:22, 3231:12, 3231:14, 3296:3,
3342:4
approached [4] - 3216:1, 3263:8,
3283:20, 3283:22
appropriate [3] - 3153:21, 3154:2,
3253:25
approved [1] - 3195:8
April [9] - 3229:4, 3229:13, 3229:14,
3309:10, 3309:14, 3310:16, 3310:19,
3311:11, 3312:4
Arabic [1] - 3267:14
area [5] - 3176:7, 3186:16, 3186:17,
3197:15, 3244:18
areas [1] - 3283:3
argue [5] - 3159:8, 3222:2, 3247:14,
3293:12, 3293:25
arguing [2] - 3202:23, 3269:9
argument [4] - 3202:20, 3220:11,
3225:5, 3225:17
arguments [1] - 3295:14
arrange [1] - 3239:15
arranged [2] - 3239:13, 3277:6
arrangement [1] - 3284:7
arrangements [1] - 3278:5
arrest [2] - 3289:24, 3314:6
arrested [8] - 3287:12, 3289:10,
3301:4, 3309:20, 3310:20, 3311:1,
3311:3, 3314:10
arrive [1] - 3278:3
arrived [3] - 3277:23, 3277:25, 3278:3
arts [1] - 3191:14
asa [1] - 3196:21
aspects [1] - 3161:2
assalam [1] - 3180:21
assaulted [1] - 3186:14
asset [1] - 3217:21
assigned [1] - 3277:1
GR
assist [1] - 3334:14

Assistant [1] - 3151:18
associates [2] - 3302:14, 3302:17
assume [2] - 3177:15, 3298:6
assumes [1] - 3197:3
assuming [7] - 3153:20, 3154:11,
3177:13, 3197:3, 3203:16, 3253:15,
3282:24
Atlantic [1] - 3330:14
attack [4] - 3161:23, 3323:21, 3335:15
attacked [2] - 3195:1, 3227:4
attackers [1] - 3323:17
attempt [1] - 3301:16
attempted [1] - 3294:19
attempting [1] - 3252:14
attend [1] - 3348:21
attention [5] - 3161:9, 3262:4, 3300:4,
3310:6, 3310:14
attentive [1] - 3157:25
attentively [1] - 3157:25
Attorney [1] - 3151:16
Attorneys [3] - 3151:18, 3151:22,
3151:25
attribute [2] - 3190:7, 3203:2
audio [4] - 3179:18, 3179:19, 3191:1,
3256:6
August [4] - 3251:20, 3251:24,
3324:24, 3336:6
authenticity [2] - 3202:21, 3202:23
authority [6] - 3162:3, 3162:6, 3223:4,
3223:7, 3297:18, 3297:21
Avenue [2] - 3287:20, 3330:14
avenue [2] - 3205:4, 3205:5
avenues [1] - 3173:3
average [1] - 3239:2
avoid [2] - 3238:4, 3345:4
awarded [4] - 3303:22, 3308:20,
3309:1, 3309:3
aware [5] - 3158:3, 3223:19, 3239:5,
3272:15, 3344:3
B
background [2] - 3224:8, 3333:15
backgrounded [2] - 3332:15, 3332:18
backpack [3] - 3287:14, 3289:19,
3314:11
bags [1] - 3287:12
Bakr [24] - 3212:10, 3212:16, 3212:23,
3213:7, 3218:10, 3221:21, 3274:6,
3275:4, 3275:8, 3275:11, 3275:15,
3278:20, 3278:24, 3279:2, 3279:23,
3280:6, 3280:17, 3281:6, 3281:19,
3281:24, 3282:5, 3282:12, 3282:22,
3282:24
Bakr's [2] - 3216:9, 3216:14
ballpark [1] - 3351:10
bank [7] - 3237:24, 3238:3, 3238:6,
3248:4, 3283:8, 3283:13, 3283:14
OCR
CM
CRR
bar [6] - 3195:21, 3200:15, 3201:1,

3207:6, 3208:1, 3246:1
bar) [1] - 3209:2
barber [1] - 3311:24
barbering [2] - 3311:17, 3311:20
barrels [5] - 3328:17, 3328:19,
3328:21, 3328:22, 3329:1
based [3] - 3255:12, 3293:9, 3296:18
basic [2] - 3176:15, 3293:21
basing [1] - 3303:7
basis [1] - 3338:3
Basley [1] - 3229:11
bathroom [1] - 3194:25
beating [1] - 3294:12
beautiful [1] - 3328:7
became [3] - 3244:15, 3313:14,
3326:24
become [3] - 3196:16, 3223:3,
3264:13
becomes [1] - 3196:17
bed [2] - 3262:2, 3349:24
BEFORE [1] - 3151:13
began [1] - 3196:2
begged [1] - 3304:20
begin [1] - 3321:7
beginning [11] - 3185:4, 3185:6,
3215:16, 3253:18, 3273:23, 3279:10,
3322:23, 3322:24, 3323:4, 3332:8
begins [1] - 3226:4
behalf [8] - 3152:18, 3165:14,
3228:19, 3238:15, 3239:25, 3254:10,
3303:24, 3307:18
behave [2] - 3309:1, 3309:3
behavior [1] - 3269:24
behind [6] - 3157:20, 3158:18, 3225:1,
3234:13, 3274:1, 3282:14
belied [1] - 3159:5
belive [1] - 3194:15
belong [1] - 3216:9
belonged [1] - 3216:10
below [1] - 3296:5
benefit [3] - 3299:11, 3299:16,
3330:17
benefits [1] - 3196:6
Bennett [3] - 3351:8, 3351:11, 3351:21
BERGER [1] - 3151:17
Berger [1] - 3152:17
BERIT [1] - 3151:17
Berit [1] - 3152:17
best [7] - 3156:16, 3206:8, 3206:10,
3238:4, 3304:7, 3335:24, 3351:16
better [16] - 3183:17, 3205:5, 3212:1,
3212:9, 3250:4, 3254:16, 3254:17,
3255:8, 3272:18, 3298:12, 3302:23,
3333:16, 3333:20, 3334:14, 3338:3,
3346:11
between [9] - 3177:3, 3227:2, 3238:2,
3265:18, 3265:22, 3270:12, 3272:2,
3286:23, 3326:7
CSR
4
beyond [2] - 3159:9, 3162:15
big [7] - 3166:25, 3191:3, 3192:15,
3197:12, 3197:23, 3267:1, 3348:10
bigger [2] - 3237:4, 3333:23
biggest [2] - 3337:7
Bilal [19] - 3193:13, 3193:15, 3193:16,
3196:9, 3196:12, 3196:13, 3196:15,
3196:22, 3196:25, 3197:6, 3197:22,
3198:3, 3198:4, 3216:6, 3216:7,
3216:16, 3216:23, 3216:24, 3217:2
Bilal's [1] - 3216:24
Bin [3] - 3221:17, 3223:4, 3223:7
binder [3] - 3178:16, 3198:21, 3320:12
binders [3] - 3155:6, 3178:18, 3321:22
bit [13] - 3187:9, 3251:22, 3251:25,
3253:16, 3322:8, 3332:7, 3343:12,
3345:5, 3348:2, 3348:3, 3348:9,
3349:6, 3351:17
blah [5] - 3201:11, 3280:4
blowing [3] - 3157:21, 3334:10,
3335:9
blown [1] - 3258:23
blue [2] - 3323:25, 3324:1
blueprint [1] - 3192:20
blueprints [13] - 3167:19, 3169:4,
3169:5, 3176:22, 3177:1, 3177:5,
3177:23, 3178:2, 3178:5, 3178:10,
3192:14, 3192:19
blurt [1] - 3332:8
body [1] - 3232:10
bold [1] - 3322:9
book [1] - 3226:12
books [4] - 3189:24, 3191:3, 3198:11,
3262:18
bosses [1] - 3315:6
bottom [7] - 3180:7, 3180:24, 3208:12,
3208:13, 3223:6, 3242:11, 3340:22
bought [3] - 3237:10, 3276:17,
3276:19
Boulevard [1] - 3229:11
break [31] - 3153:14, 3162:19,
3163:10, 3163:11, 3190:15, 3211:19,
3218:15, 3218:21, 3219:3, 3219:7,
3250:17, 3251:2, 3251:16, 3255:19,
3265:11, 3305:4, 3305:9, 3305:11,
3305:18, 3326:5, 3333:18, 3343:5,
3348:8, 3348:9, 3348:13, 3349:7,
3349:11, 3349:14, 3349:15, 3351:24
breakfast [1] - 3348:10
breaking [1] - 3334:13
briefly [1] - 3306:17
bring [23] - 3163:2, 3197:6, 3197:16,
3212:1, 3219:4, 3227:11, 3228:5,
3247:18, 3251:19, 3252:8, 3295:8,
3307:3, 3321:22, 3322:7, 3338:11,
3338:21, 3338:23, 3339:3, 3339:4,
3348:11, 3348:12, 3348:17, 3349:13
bringing [4] - 3227:14, 3236:20,
3334:7, 3334:8
broke [1] - 3219:9
GR
Brooklyn [3] - 3151:7, 3151:19,

3152:2
brother [8] - 3195:15, 3216:22,
3217:9, 3221:15, 3281:5, 3326:12,
3328:9, 3333:16
brothers [9] - 3192:12, 3221:18,
3226:25, 3323:10, 3323:20, 3324:4,
3324:5, 3325:20, 3330:14
brought [7] - 3163:25, 3236:17,
3236:22, 3248:2, 3295:11, 3310:14,
3324:3
build [12] - 3192:13, 3193:6, 3217:18,
3217:21, 3231:24, 3246:22, 3247:10,
3247:19, 3247:24, 3248:17, 3270:1,
3270:3
building [13] - 3186:10, 3213:25,
3214:2, 3231:23, 3246:23, 3246:25,
3247:22, 3248:7, 3248:20, 3249:1,
3249:5, 3249:8, 3269:24
buildings [1] - 3166:18
built [12] - 3157:24, 3218:4, 3218:6,
3226:22, 3247:2, 3247:17, 3270:8,
3270:21, 3271:6, 3273:2, 3286:9
business [7] - 3290:16, 3329:9,
3329:12, 3329:14, 3329:20, 3329:25,
3330:20
businessman [2] - 3231:24, 3232:1
busy [1] - 3339:13
butter [3] - 3329:5, 3330:3, 3330:11
buy [3] - 3230:14, 3277:9, 3277:15
BY [15] - 3151:16, 3165:12, 3188:2,
3198:2, 3210:2, 3220:2, 3258:15,
3262:21, 3296:2, 3307:24, 3319:2,
3353:8, 3353:10, 3353:12, 3353:14
C
Cadman [2] - 3151:19, 3152:1
calendar [1] - 3337:8
Calvin [1] - 3351:8
camera [6] - 3317:15, 3317:19,
3317:20, 3317:21, 3317:23, 3318:1
cannot [10] - 3162:11, 3170:12,
3174:23, 3235:18, 3275:16, 3317:5,
3331:14, 3332:12, 3332:17, 3334:12
caption [1] - 3300:2
car [2] - 3301:21, 3301:24
card [1] - 3239:24
care [4] - 3234:17, 3288:24, 3289:2,
3351:1
careful [3] - 3223:9, 3266:3, 3266:25
cares [1] - 3248:18
Carlos [1] - 3289:14
carried [1] - 3301:19
carry [2] - 3301:22, 3301:23
carrying [4] - 3173:25, 3174:15,
3287:11, 3289:22
case [59] - 3158:17, 3158:22, 3159:9,
3204:9, 3214:18, 3218:17, 3218:19,
OCR
CM
CRR
3218:24, 3220:3, 3238:20, 3238:21,

3249:3, 3249:19, 3250:10, 3251:2,
3251:6, 3251:7, 3251:9, 3251:12,
3254:3, 3254:22, 3286:12, 3286:20,
3288:8, 3290:8, 3292:20, 3293:8,
3294:14, 3295:4, 3296:14, 3296:15,
3297:12, 3297:15, 3297:17, 3298:3,
3298:4, 3298:13, 3302:1, 3302:2,
3302:6, 3302:9, 3302:14, 3302:21,
3303:12, 3305:5, 3305:8, 3313:11,
3315:22, 3316:16, 3316:21, 3319:4,
3319:9, 3319:12, 3320:23, 3348:7,
3349:17, 3349:18, 3349:22
cases [1] - 3305:6
cassette [1] - 3236:3
cassettes [1] - 3234:22
casually [1] - 3171:6
caught [3] - 3233:19, 3322:13,
3322:18
CD [5] - 3181:3, 3181:5, 3202:21,
3246:6, 3263:22
celebrate [2] - 3337:3, 3337:10
cell [7] - 3218:20, 3218:23, 3251:3,
3281:1, 3281:4, 3281:5, 3305:9
Center [1] - 3333:24
certain [8] - 3154:25, 3196:3, 3201:21,
3298:22, 3303:11, 3306:22, 3306:23,
3319:16
certainly [7] - 3159:9, 3159:12,
3218:21, 3248:19, 3250:20, 3305:17,
3345:1
certificate [1] - 3311:20
chance [2] - 3166:12, 3181:12
change [4] - 3235:16, 3235:18,
3254:22, 3305:19
changed [2] - 3155:10, 3264:12
changing [1] - 3264:14
character [1] - 3294:16
charge [7] - 3253:24, 3254:15,
3254:19, 3255:2, 3294:18, 3294:19
charged [1] - 3289:10
charges [2] - 3255:12, 3282:2
check [3] - 3251:4, 3333:15
Chicken [3] - 3231:3, 3280:15,
3283:15
chicken [20] - 3172:25, 3176:8,
3176:12, 3177:10, 3177:11, 3177:20,
3182:13, 3182:17, 3183:8, 3186:7,
3186:22, 3191:6, 3204:19, 3210:14,
3211:6, 3211:10, 3211:14, 3216:17,
3263:4, 3263:6
Chico's [1] - 3211:10
children [2] - 3223:3, 3242:16
chip [2] - 3174:12, 3236:3
chose [1] - 3193:10
chunk [2] - 3240:12, 3242:25
CI [1] - 3195:7
cinema [1] - 3186:13
Cingular [1] - 3183:14
Circuit [1] - 3293:16
CSR
5
cite [2] - 3157:7, 3225:7
cited [1] - 3225:6
citizen [1] - 3212:13
City [6] - 3301:13, 3324:18, 3338:8,
3340:2, 3341:9, 3345:7
civil [5] - 3170:9, 3170:14, 3170:25,
3171:21, 3172:3
claim [1] - 3225:8
claimed [3] - 3264:15, 3267:3, 3339:13
claiming [2] - 3155:9, 3222:23
claims [2] - 3202:8, 3224:15
clarify [2] - 3277:25, 3306:12
clarifying [1] - 3272:12
clarity [1] - 3323:1
clean [2] - 3222:1, 3289:3
clear [7] - 3198:3, 3223:24, 3238:11,
3244:13, 3280:18, 3280:20, 3310:22
cleared [1] - 3201:20
clearly [2] - 3161:21, 3203:6
CLERK [3] - 3152:13, 3257:10,
3257:12
clerk [1] - 3255:21
client [9] - 3157:19, 3160:7, 3167:18,
3196:4, 3196:5, 3249:12, 3306:1
close [8] - 3163:17, 3174:13, 3189:24,
3189:25, 3197:14, 3260:12, 3265:13,
3323:13
closer [2] - 3254:16, 3254:19
closures [1] - 3287:6
clunky [1] - 3191:3
coaxing [2] - 3223:11, 3223:14
cocaine [6] - 3287:12, 3287:13,
3290:4, 3292:20, 3294:21, 3296:7
coconspirator [9] - 3163:3, 3222:13,
3222:24, 3223:20, 3224:6, 3224:14,
3344:9, 3344:12
codefendant [2] - 3197:16, 3197:17
collateral [6] - 3156:25, 3157:2,
3157:16, 3249:15, 3249:17, 3293:21
collect [2] - 3289:6, 3289:7
collected [1] - 3289:13
collecting [3] - 3214:1, 3289:14,
3315:18
collective [2] - 3161:24, 3221:23
college [1] - 3212:20
colloquy [1] - 3226:20
coming [8] - 3159:15, 3163:17,
3164:1, 3252:19, 3285:5, 3323:25,
3325:17, 3326:4
comments [2] - 3221:11, 3221:13
commit [1] - 3159:23
committed [1] - 3313:4
communicate [1] - 3338:22
communicating [2] - 3298:4, 3298:8
compare [1] - 3255:17
complained [1] - 3166:17
complete [2] - 3220:21, 3252:21
completely [7] - 3159:8, 3201:9,
3232:17, 3232:19, 3248:25, 3316:4,
GR
3323:25
completeness [2] - 3222:4, 3225:4
completion [2] - 3226:23, 3227:10
complicated [1] - 3345:5
comply [1] - 3233:8
component [1] - 3267:18
compound [1] - 3213:10
computer [7] - 3152:4, 3165:25,
3167:1, 3167:15, 3321:19, 3329:7,
3329:10
computer-aided [1] - 3152:4
computers [2] - 3329:2, 3329:10
conceded [1] - 3156:4
concern [1] - 3238:13
concerned [3] - 3249:22, 3326:24,
3351:3
concerning [1] - 3327:3
concluded [1] - 3352:5
conclusions [3] - 3218:19, 3305:5,
3349:17
condemn [1] - 3161:21
condoning [1] - 3269:23
conduct [1] - 3293:16
conducted [2] - 3297:17, 3323:20
conference [3] - 3253:24, 3254:15,
3254:20
conflicts [1] - 3158:17
confuse [1] - 3350:19
confused [1] - 3343:12
connect [2] - 3213:6, 3247:6
connected [6] - 3218:24, 3251:7,
3251:9, 3305:8, 3320:15, 3349:22
connection [6] - 3197:21, 3238:19,
3238:21, 3246:23, 3252:15, 3268:12
connections [11] - 3168:14, 3168:16,
3169:19, 3169:25, 3170:3, 3188:19,
3267:25, 3272:6, 3274:1, 3281:25
consented [1] - 3153:12
consider [4] - 3163:10, 3204:5,
3204:11, 3263:10
considered [2] - 3204:6, 3263:22
consistent [2] - 3203:10, 3203:11
conspiracy [11] - 3160:11, 3160:19,
3160:24, 3261:5, 3261:12, 3288:7,
3288:13, 3288:18, 3301:19, 3308:3,
3314:19
conspirator [1] - 3163:3
construct [1] - 3236:19
construction [2] - 3216:25, 3247:19
consult [1] - 3233:14
consulted [1] - 3233:15
contact [7] - 3173:7, 3196:20, 3206:1,
3282:10, 3284:21, 3284:23, 3285:3
contacted [5] - 3186:7, 3188:15,
3188:24, 3188:25, 3189:3
contacts [15] - 3172:14, 3184:10,
3184:14, 3264:11, 3265:8, 3266:2,
3281:2, 3281:7, 3281:19, 3282:10,
3284:22, 3285:18, 3285:23, 3286:2
OCR
CM
CRR
contention [1] - 3156:6

contents [1] - 3155:22
contesting [2] - 3246:21, 3249:20
context [3] - 3248:13, 3265:13,
3340:14
continuation [3] - 3226:24, 3227:8,
3227:10
continue [10] - 3155:19, 3157:17,
3162:18, 3196:6, 3204:14, 3234:6,
3268:15, 3269:17, 3280:22, 3347:25
CONTINUED [6] - 3188:1, 3220:1,
3296:1, 3353:7, 3353:9, 3353:11
Continued [19] - 3165:12, 3187:12,
3195:22, 3197:25, 3200:16, 3203:19,
3207:7, 3209:3, 3219:22, 3245:7,
3256:16, 3271:11, 3291:4, 3295:19,
3318:9, 3334:22, 3342:6, 3345:13,
3348:23
continued [9] - 3154:10, 3161:18,
3164:21, 3175:16, 3220:3, 3222:5,
3228:18, 3258:5, 3261:20
continues [1] - 3222:3
CONTINUES [3] - 3258:14, 3262:20,
3319:1
continuing [2] - 3235:17, 3307:17
Continuing [1] - 3349:1
continuously [1] - 3267:1
contract [3] - 3298:10, 3298:12,
3298:18
contradictory [1] - 3225:23
contrary [1] - 3269:5
control [2] - 3235:3, 3296:22
conversation [121] - 3153:23, 3154:13,
3155:23, 3155:25, 3156:19, 3156:20,
3157:10, 3157:11, 3157:18, 3157:22,
3157:23, 3158:6, 3158:12, 3159:11,
3160:22, 3163:9, 3166:3, 3166:11,
3166:13, 3166:16, 3166:21, 3171:4,
3171:5, 3172:6, 3174:24, 3175:12,
3176:22, 3176:25, 3180:10, 3181:15,
3183:1, 3186:24, 3190:19, 3190:23,
3191:1, 3191:5, 3199:5, 3199:22,
3200:10, 3202:6, 3203:1, 3210:16,
3211:23, 3213:4, 3213:9, 3213:11,
3213:13, 3213:20, 3213:22, 3213:25,
3214:8, 3217:16, 3218:8, 3222:3,
3222:5, 3225:15, 3225:22, 3225:25,
3226:4, 3226:20, 3227:1, 3227:9,
3230:12, 3231:2, 3231:6, 3231:21,
3232:7, 3232:14, 3233:21, 3236:16,
3236:21, 3238:1, 3238:11, 3247:17,
3248:2, 3255:24, 3259:6, 3259:8,
3259:9, 3259:14, 3260:4, 3260:10,
3261:7, 3262:5, 3262:9, 3264:3,
3264:5, 3264:22, 3264:24, 3265:1,
3265:4, 3265:6, 3266:7, 3269:5,
3270:24, 3272:10, 3272:16, 3273:24,
3278:19, 3278:22, 3279:10, 3279:19,
3281:17, 3282:20, 3283:9, 3283:12,
3284:24, 3286:10, 3322:24, 3322:25,
CSR
6
3323:4, 3324:8, 3332:14, 3333:7,
3334:5, 3335:11, 3341:20, 3346:13,
3347:7, 3347:18
conversations [22] - 3154:16, 3158:4,
3160:25, 3197:10, 3202:4, 3205:15,
3213:1, 3214:5, 3214:12, 3225:12,
3225:13, 3225:15, 3232:18, 3246:23,
3246:24, 3259:11, 3273:23, 3278:14,
3324:13, 3333:2, 3341:11, 3341:12
conviction [3] - 3293:9, 3294:20,
3306:19
convictions [1] - 3314:9
cooperate [3] - 3287:4, 3287:5, 3287:6
cooperated [4] - 3302:4, 3303:22,
3309:23, 3309:25
cooperating [1] - 3299:7
cooperation [10] - 3296:14, 3296:15,
3296:17, 3296:20, 3298:2, 3299:21,
3299:25, 3300:9, 3300:13, 3310:3
copied [2] - 3192:24, 3192:25
copies [2] - 3153:6, 3219:10
copy [4] - 3219:16, 3241:10, 3241:12,
3246:4
Cordero [1] - 3290:11
correct [237] - 3153:9, 3153:25,
3157:12, 3158:21, 3160:11, 3166:1,
3168:17, 3168:20, 3168:21, 3168:23,
3169:1, 3169:16, 3170:6, 3171:2,
3171:9, 3171:20, 3173:20, 3173:23,
3174:5, 3174:22, 3175:10, 3175:23,
3176:5, 3176:13, 3177:14, 3180:12,
3180:14, 3180:19, 3180:22, 3180:23,
3180:24, 3181:16, 3181:18, 3181:22,
3184:3, 3184:7, 3185:8, 3185:20,
3186:20, 3186:21, 3186:22, 3186:23,
3187:1, 3188:4, 3190:4, 3190:13,
3191:7, 3192:8, 3199:11, 3199:13,
3199:18, 3205:1, 3205:8, 3205:17,
3206:2, 3206:12, 3206:18, 3211:24,
3213:5, 3213:12, 3213:24, 3214:3,
3214:19, 3216:17, 3218:11, 3220:8,
3220:15, 3229:2, 3233:4, 3239:19,
3246:14, 3258:21, 3259:7, 3262:11,
3262:23, 3263:1, 3263:5, 3263:14,
3263:15, 3264:12, 3264:14, 3265:1,
3267:17, 3267:24, 3270:9, 3271:8,
3272:1, 3273:4, 3273:13, 3274:14,
3275:5, 3277:10, 3277:18, 3278:10,
3280:3, 3283:11, 3284:13, 3285:1,
3285:3, 3287:2, 3287:9, 3287:10,
3287:19, 3288:8, 3288:19, 3289:11,
3289:25, 3300:2, 3300:3, 3300:11,
3302:22, 3303:17, 3303:20, 3305:1,
3308:4, 3308:9, 3308:11, 3308:15,
3309:8, 3309:10, 3309:14, 3309:15,
3309:21, 3309:23, 3310:1, 3310:4,
3310:16, 3310:24, 3311:1, 3311:4,
3311:7, 3311:12, 3311:15, 3312:5,
3312:8, 3312:11, 3312:14, 3312:19,
3312:21, 3312:24, 3313:6, 3313:12,
GR
3313:16, 3314:3, 3314:4, 3314:11,

3314:14, 3314:17, 3314:20, 3314:21,
3315:5, 3315:11, 3316:19, 3317:16,
3319:10, 3319:18, 3319:22, 3320:10,
3320:25, 3321:5, 3321:6, 3321:11,
3322:2, 3322:17, 3322:19, 3323:5,
3323:7, 3323:8, 3323:11, 3323:14,
3323:17, 3323:21, 3324:14, 3324:15,
3325:2, 3325:8, 3325:11, 3325:14,
3326:2, 3326:6, 3326:11, 3326:14,
3326:17, 3326:21, 3327:4, 3327:19,
3327:25, 3328:12, 3328:13, 3328:14,
3328:17, 3328:20, 3329:13, 3329:22,
3329:25, 3330:3, 3331:20, 3331:21,
3331:23, 3332:10, 3333:25, 3334:4,
3334:11, 3335:18, 3335:22, 3335:25,
3336:3, 3336:8, 3336:11, 3336:15,
3336:19, 3336:22, 3337:4, 3337:6,
3337:8, 3337:11, 3337:14, 3338:1,
3338:5, 3338:9, 3338:12, 3339:4,
3339:8, 3339:11, 3339:17, 3339:20,
3340:3, 3340:6, 3340:10, 3341:9,
3346:7, 3346:17, 3346:20, 3347:5,
3347:10, 3347:20, 3351:5
correctly [2] - 3221:16, 3252:18
cost [1] - 3317:19
counsel [17] - 3152:19, 3152:24,
3154:12, 3159:2, 3159:13, 3162:23,
3195:20, 3200:15, 3207:5, 3208:7,
3225:7, 3227:13, 3245:5, 3250:4,
3285:14, 3291:3, 3305:15
counselman [1] - 3212:17
count [1] - 3201:2
counters [1] - 3248:6
counting [1] - 3250:11
country [2] - 3221:25, 3328:7
County [1] - 3287:2
couple [6] - 3220:13, 3276:5, 3276:7,
3276:11, 3304:24, 3326:15
coupled [1] - 3285:15
course [16] - 3161:22, 3181:9,
3204:13, 3213:19, 3214:4, 3214:15,
3219:12, 3251:3, 3270:24, 3272:17,
3278:14, 3288:18, 3296:23, 3319:19,
3328:5, 3350:8
Court [4] - 3152:1, 3156:2, 3219:10,
3219:18
court [21] - 3155:25, 3204:1, 3210:1,
3220:16, 3225:3, 3225:4, 3225:6,
3226:14, 3250:16, 3253:1, 3253:9,
3253:25, 3294:10, 3294:19, 3295:18,
3300:21, 3304:20, 3304:21, 3308:13,
3346:1, 3352:2
COURT [273] - 3151:1, 3152:11,
3152:20, 3152:25, 3153:5, 3153:19,
3154:1, 3154:10, 3154:16, 3154:19,
3155:14, 3156:9, 3156:14, 3156:25,
3157:2, 3157:12, 3157:16, 3160:10,
3160:18, 3160:23, 3162:18, 3163:6,
3163:8, 3163:13, 3163:21, 3164:1,
OCR
CM
CRR
3164:6, 3164:11, 3164:15, 3164:21,

3164:25, 3165:3, 3165:7, 3165:13,
3165:20, 3166:20, 3169:22, 3171:15,
3173:16, 3174:4, 3175:2, 3175:7,
3178:11, 3178:17, 3178:21, 3178:25,
3179:3, 3179:6, 3179:9, 3179:12,
3179:16, 3179:21, 3179:23, 3184:11,
3184:20, 3184:25, 3185:2, 3185:5,
3189:13, 3189:23, 3190:6, 3190:14,
3190:24, 3195:20, 3196:1, 3196:9,
3196:23, 3197:4, 3197:9, 3197:14,
3197:19, 3198:1, 3198:24, 3199:2,
3200:1, 3200:15, 3201:2, 3201:18,
3203:13, 3203:17, 3204:2, 3205:14,
3207:5, 3208:5, 3208:7, 3208:17,
3208:19, 3209:1, 3210:7, 3210:10,
3210:13, 3210:20, 3211:20, 3213:8,
3213:10, 3214:10, 3215:16, 3215:19,
3215:24, 3216:13, 3217:6, 3218:15,
3219:2, 3219:7, 3219:15, 3219:20,
3220:3, 3220:10, 3221:7, 3222:13,
3222:17, 3223:5, 3223:14, 3223:17,
3224:1, 3224:3, 3224:11, 3224:20,
3225:10, 3225:20, 3226:1, 3226:5,
3226:8, 3226:10, 3226:13, 3227:20,
3228:5, 3228:9, 3228:11, 3228:18,
3228:23, 3231:15, 3232:23, 3233:10,
3233:13, 3234:6, 3236:7, 3237:7,
3237:12, 3238:19, 3239:12, 3241:9,
3241:12, 3241:15, 3241:18, 3241:25,
3242:7, 3245:5, 3246:2, 3246:6,
3246:20, 3247:12, 3248:6, 3248:18,
3249:14, 3249:17, 3250:1, 3250:8,
3250:17, 3250:23, 3251:15, 3251:21,
3253:10, 3253:21, 3254:2, 3254:8,
3254:10, 3254:14, 3255:1, 3255:8,
3255:11, 3255:15, 3256:8, 3257:3,
3257:6, 3257:8, 3257:11, 3257:14,
3257:16, 3257:19, 3258:2, 3258:5,
3258:9, 3258:11, 3259:19, 3260:1,
3262:17, 3264:20, 3265:3, 3266:9,
3268:21, 3269:8, 3272:13, 3272:21,
3273:5, 3275:17, 3277:22, 3277:25,
3279:7, 3279:13, 3279:18, 3281:16,
3282:13, 3284:2, 3284:4, 3284:16,
3285:13, 3285:21, 3286:4, 3286:11,
3286:22, 3286:24, 3288:11, 3290:25,
3291:3, 3292:2, 3292:8, 3292:11,
3292:13, 3293:3, 3294:2, 3294:9,
3294:17, 3295:7, 3295:10, 3296:4,
3297:5, 3297:21, 3298:2, 3298:9,
3298:15, 3299:14, 3299:19, 3301:2,
3304:14, 3305:3, 3305:13, 3306:1,
3306:11, 3306:16, 3306:25, 3307:3,
3307:7, 3307:11, 3307:17, 3307:22,
3310:9, 3310:22, 3317:11, 3321:13,
3336:24, 3341:16, 3341:18, 3341:23,
3342:5, 3343:12, 3344:3, 3345:1,
3345:8, 3345:11, 3346:2, 3347:24,
3349:1, 3350:3, 3350:12, 3350:15,
3350:17, 3350:19, 3351:3, 3351:7,
CSR
7
3351:12, 3351:18, 3352:3
court's [1] - 3248:10
courtesy [2] - 3153:6, 3219:10
Courthouse [1] - 3151:7
courtroom [10] - 3219:1, 3219:6,
3228:8, 3228:10, 3251:14, 3256:5,
3307:6, 3307:10, 3350:2, 3350:18
courtroom) [1] - 3305:12
cover [4] - 3199:7, 3317:2, 3317:4,
3350:25
covered [2] - 3306:18, 3315:24
covering [1] - 3316:1
coworkers [1] - 3349:19
CR [2] - 3151:4, 3152:14
crack [3] - 3287:12, 3301:10, 3301:13
created [5] - 3225:25, 3227:3, 3227:5,
3227:6, 3344:1
creates [1] - 3224:16
credibility [2] - 3306:20, 3306:24
credulity [1] - 3159:10
cricket [5] - 3230:17, 3230:20,
3230:22, 3230:25, 3237:16
crime [14] - 3159:22, 3159:23,
3287:16, 3295:6, 3295:7, 3301:4,
3301:6, 3301:9, 3301:16, 3304:16,
3313:15, 3313:19, 3313:22, 3313:24
crimes [1] - 3313:4
criminal [1] - 3152:13
cross [16] - 3156:15, 3162:19,
3164:22, 3197:13, 3197:24, 3228:18,
3247:18, 3249:3, 3250:18, 3253:17,
3258:6, 3305:15, 3307:18, 3307:22,
3347:25, 3350:5
CROSS [11] - 3165:11, 3188:1, 3220:1,
3258:14, 3296:1, 3307:23, 3353:6,
3353:7, 3353:9, 3353:11, 3353:13
cross-examination [11] - 3162:19,
3164:22, 3228:18, 3247:18, 3250:18,
3253:17, 3258:6, 3305:15, 3307:18,
3347:25, 3350:5
CROSS-EXAMINATION [9] - 3188:1,
3220:1, 3258:14, 3296:1, 3307:23,
3353:7, 3353:9, 3353:11, 3353:13
Crown [1] - 3229:10
crucial [1] - 3158:18
crying [1] - 3250:3
current [1] - 3195:18
custody [1] - 3311:23
Customs [7] - 3238:23, 3238:24,
3238:25, 3239:9, 3239:14, 3239:20,
3240:3
customs [1] - 3190:9
cut [1] - 3220:10
D
dance [1] - 3325:17
date [14] - 3210:3, 3211:22, 3229:16,
3264:4, 3264:9, 3313:17, 3326:25,
GR
3340:16, 3340:19, 3340:23, 3340:24,

3346:20, 3352:2, 3352:5
dates [2] - 3153:16, 3331:17
daughter [1] - 3242:23
dawa [2] - 3267:13, 3267:14
Dawood [20] - 3261:19, 3322:4,
3322:5, 3322:16, 3323:5, 3323:23,
3324:9, 3324:13, 3336:8, 3337:18,
3337:25, 3338:3, 3338:4, 3338:7,
3338:20, 3339:4, 3339:7, 3339:14,
3340:6, 3340:9
days [17] - 3235:7, 3240:12, 3252:2,
3253:14, 3260:16, 3260:25, 3261:1,
3276:3, 3276:5, 3276:7, 3276:9,
3276:11, 3278:10, 3326:15, 3328:16,
3330:9, 3348:2
dead [1] - 3294:12
deadly [1] - 3301:19
deal [8] - 3154:8, 3186:25, 3187:6,
3191:3, 3282:2, 3287:1, 3287:4,
3324:17
dealer [2] - 3292:23, 3293:4
dealing [3] - 3195:16, 3196:14,
3211:13
dealings [2] - 3197:21, 3214:3
dealt [1] - 3163:14
death [1] - 3294:12
decide [1] - 3205:16
decided [4] - 3172:2, 3221:4, 3303:1,
3303:5
deciding [1] - 3284:5
decision [3] - 3160:2, 3205:22, 3233:4
declarant's [2] - 3224:17, 3224:25
deemed [1] - 3241:15
deep [1] - 3293:20
defeats [1] - 3224:25
defend [7] - 3226:23, 3227:5, 3270:4,
3270:8, 3271:7, 3273:1, 3286:8
Defendant [1] - 3306:13
defendant [3] - 3155:7, 3300:8, 3343:4
Defendant's [2] - 3231:12, 3290:21
defendants [1] - 3249:12
Defendants [2] - 3151:10, 3151:21
defendants' [1] - 3344:13
Defenders [1] - 3151:22
defending [3] - 3227:7, 3269:22
defense [32] - 3154:12, 3155:2,
3156:7, 3158:19, 3159:2, 3159:13,
3162:25, 3196:12, 3196:17, 3198:22,
3223:22, 3224:12, 3224:14, 3225:5,
3227:10, 3241:8, 3241:19, 3247:4,
3247:11, 3252:15, 3252:18, 3253:5,
3253:8, 3254:3, 3254:21, 3254:22,
3255:11, 3258:2, 3293:12, 3294:4,
3306:13, 3350:23
Defense [5] - 3210:18, 3231:11,
3241:15, 3241:25, 3309:18
defense's [1] - 3154:22
defensive [1] - 3226:21
definite [1] - 3211:12
OCR
CM
CRR
definitely [1] - 3231:22

Defreitas [132] - 3151:22, 3152:14,
3152:21, 3152:23, 3160:6, 3166:4,
3166:7, 3166:13, 3166:17, 3166:21,
3166:23, 3167:13, 3171:5, 3171:11,
3172:5, 3173:22, 3173:25, 3174:5,
3174:15, 3174:24, 3175:5, 3175:12,
3175:20, 3180:11, 3185:10, 3185:24,
3186:2, 3186:5, 3189:11, 3189:14,
3189:17, 3189:20, 3190:9, 3193:1,
3193:3, 3193:7, 3196:16, 3197:7,
3198:14, 3198:16, 3199:23, 3201:25,
3202:4, 3202:10, 3203:2, 3203:5,
3205:16, 3205:25, 3206:4, 3206:17,
3212:6, 3212:12, 3214:7, 3214:25,
3215:23, 3215:24, 3215:25, 3216:1,
3216:5, 3216:10, 3216:20, 3217:2,
3217:15, 3217:17, 3221:19, 3229:7,
3229:15, 3230:14, 3231:23, 3237:9,
3237:24, 3238:9, 3247:5, 3247:17,
3254:5, 3259:1, 3261:10, 3265:13,
3272:3, 3273:14, 3273:19, 3273:21,
3274:5, 3276:18, 3276:19, 3277:8,
3277:14, 3277:19, 3278:13, 3283:1,
3283:4, 3283:11, 3286:23, 3305:15,
3307:19, 3321:8, 3324:18, 3325:1,
3325:5, 3331:2, 3336:6, 3336:13,
3337:1, 3337:24, 3338:1, 3339:19,
3340:16, 3341:8, 3341:13, 3341:14,
3343:4, 3343:6, 3343:8, 3343:22,
3343:23, 3344:1, 3344:15, 3344:19,
3344:20, 3345:2, 3345:3, 3346:6,
3346:7, 3346:13, 3346:19, 3347:4,
3347:8, 3347:19
defreitas [1] - 3202:4
DEFREITAS [1] - 3151:8
DeFreitas' [1] - 3277:9
Defreitas's [2] - 3249:13, 3343:24
DeFreitias [1] - 3343:20
degree [1] - 3271:2
delay [1] - 3162:22
delegation [7] - 3325:14, 3325:17,
3325:21, 3325:24, 3326:4, 3326:11,
3326:20
delete [1] - 3235:18
deliberate [1] - 3252:8
deliberating [1] - 3252:7
deliver [1] - 3315:4
delivering [2] - 3315:8, 3315:15
delivery [2] - 3315:14, 3315:15
demolished [2] - 3186:10, 3186:16
demonstrate [1] - 3224:15
denied [3] - 3208:5, 3208:17, 3227:20
departure [1] - 3264:6
depicted [1] - 3240:20
depiction [2] - 3240:24, 3241:4
describe [3] - 3238:25, 3243:11,
3243:12
described [2] - 3274:16, 3337:1
describing [1] - 3272:2
CSR
8
designed [1] - 3235:13
destroy [1] - 3157:24
destroying [1] - 3225:24
detail [6] - 3194:18, 3196:24, 3197:20,
3216:24, 3278:23, 3332:11
detailed [1] - 3170:23
details [13] - 3176:14, 3178:9,
3183:10, 3183:11, 3341:13, 3343:7,
3343:9, 3344:23, 3344:24, 3346:6,
3346:7, 3347:5, 3347:10
detected [3] - 3334:7, 3334:9, 3335:13
Detective [1] - 3152:19
determination [2] - 3233:10, 3317:9
determine [3] - 3156:17, 3233:3,
3253:25
determines [1] - 3296:24
developed [1] - 3267:20
development [2] - 3266:14, 3267:7
device [7] - 3232:20, 3232:22,
3232:25, 3233:6, 3233:17, 3236:7,
3236:9
devices [1] - 3235:8
dialogue [1] - 3160:1
die [2] - 3323:24, 3324:7
died [1] - 3324:6
dietary [1] - 3348:15
difference [6] - 3166:23, 3208:24,
3227:2, 3270:11, 3286:23, 3292:24
differences [1] - 3272:2
different [23] - 3161:22, 3198:8,
3204:11, 3208:25, 3221:16, 3234:4,
3234:5, 3235:7, 3252:1, 3262:10,
3275:23, 3280:14, 3282:25, 3283:6,
3288:2, 3296:20, 3297:14, 3299:10,
3309:4, 3316:22, 3333:3, 3348:3
differing [1] - 3267:15
difficult [3] - 3170:15, 3243:7, 3338:25
difficulties [1] - 3321:18
direct [7] - 3168:25, 3170:7, 3173:25,
3190:2, 3194:14, 3268:6, 3295:11
directing [2] - 3194:24
direction [1] - 3189:7
directly [2] - 3221:10, 3282:2
disagree [3] - 3156:25, 3224:10,
3225:10
disagrees [1] - 3225:5
discretion [2] - 3299:5
discuss [13] - 3163:10, 3168:4,
3196:4, 3198:15, 3250:19, 3250:20,
3250:21, 3251:6, 3255:16, 3305:16,
3305:17, 3350:6, 3350:9
discussed [10] - 3167:21, 3167:23,
3168:7, 3169:15, 3221:15, 3259:22,
3283:16, 3322:15, 3341:22, 3347:3
discussing [2] - 3168:5, 3261:8
discussion [1] - 3169:12
discussions [1] - 3305:18
disk [5] - 3236:3, 3241:13, 3241:14,
3241:22
display [3] - 3232:11, 3269:4, 3281:24
GR
disposal [1] - 3237:20

dispute [4] - 3261:5, 3261:11,
3261:14, 3261:17
distance [1] - 3177:6
distances [1] - 3177:3
distributing [2] - 3301:9, 3301:13
DISTRICT [3] - 3151:1, 3151:1,
3151:13
distrust [2] - 3278:16, 3278:17
docket [2] - 3152:13, 3155:1
Doctor [2] - 3332:19, 3333:15
document [14] - 3159:19, 3192:10,
3210:24, 3226:24, 3227:16, 3228:2,
3299:24, 3306:6, 3327:13, 3341:23,
3341:24, 3342:2, 3347:14
documentation [1] - 3333:19
documents [12] - 3174:10, 3174:15,
3174:17, 3174:19, 3174:22, 3175:14,
3192:23, 3193:3, 3202:4, 3222:8,
3256:9, 3307:7
dollar [2] - 3159:16, 3316:10
dollar-wise [1] - 3316:10
dollars [1] - 3316:11
Donald [5] - 3261:6, 3261:15, 3261:22,
3322:5, 3323:23
donate [1] - 3215:2
donating [2] - 3236:18, 3237:25
done [12] - 3198:9, 3210:23, 3247:25,
3253:14, 3269:15, 3282:6, 3293:17,
3297:8, 3304:5, 3323:5, 3333:15,
3351:16
door [2] - 3196:18, 3197:15
DORA [1] - 3151:13
double [5] - 3167:22, 3167:23, 3168:1,
3169:14
double-sided [1] - 3169:14
double-wall [2] - 3167:23, 3168:1
double-walled [2] - 3167:22, 3168:1
dovetail [1] - 3248:1
down [22] - 3162:8, 3186:19, 3190:15,
3236:10, 3239:24, 3240:7, 3260:15,
3279:22, 3281:23, 3281:24, 3305:22,
3307:1, 3326:5, 3333:18, 3334:13,
3336:16, 3337:10, 3339:3, 3343:5,
3343:6, 3350:8, 3350:12
download [11] - 3175:23, 3176:15,
3177:19, 3182:2, 3182:5, 3182:6,
3182:7, 3182:8, 3183:1, 3183:4
downloaded [4] - 3176:1, 3176:4,
3181:18, 3258:21
downloading [1] - 3182:19
dozen [1] - 3194:9
Dr [1] - 3252:24
dramatic [1] - 3166:8
draw [5] - 3218:18, 3262:4, 3300:4,
3305:4, 3349:16
drive [3] - 3328:16, 3330:9, 3333:12
driver [1] - 3288:20
drives [1] - 3331:2
driving [6] - 3316:20, 3316:21, 3318:4,
OCR
CM
CRR
3318:6, 3347:7, 3347:19

drop [2] - 3236:12
drove [1] - 3314:22
drug [4] - 3290:16, 3292:23, 3293:4,
3301:6
drugs [26] - 3282:19, 3288:1, 3288:5,
3288:19, 3288:20, 3288:22, 3289:4,
3289:5, 3289:19, 3293:14, 3294:11,
3304:25, 3312:24, 3314:3, 3314:10,
3314:13, 3314:16, 3314:18, 3314:19,
3314:22, 3315:3, 3315:4, 3315:8,
3315:10, 3315:11, 3315:13
drunk [2] - 3282:19, 3294:18
duly [1] - 3165:9
during [23] - 3153:13, 3157:17,
3162:19, 3167:17, 3171:5, 3175:12,
3186:24, 3204:12, 3218:20, 3219:12,
3231:2, 3231:5, 3236:16, 3251:2,
3258:20, 3283:3, 3288:18, 3290:3,
3303:12, 3303:14, 3304:15, 3305:9,
3331:1
DVD [3] - 3181:2, 3181:5, 3181:7
dying [1] - 3324:4
E
ear [2] - 3252:7, 3254:19
early [9] - 3161:19, 3252:5, 3254:15,
3261:5, 3345:8, 3345:9, 3348:6,
3348:14, 3349:24
earn [4] - 3308:19, 3308:22, 3311:22
earning [5] - 3314:2, 3316:8, 3316:15,
3316:18, 3317:4
ears [1] - 3169:1
Earth [17] - 3175:23, 3176:1, 3176:4,
3176:15, 3176:23, 3177:19, 3177:23,
3181:16, 3181:22, 3182:3, 3182:8,
3182:14, 3183:2, 3183:4, 3183:7,
3259:22, 3260:13
ease [1] - 3212:17
easier [2] - 3306:10, 3324:16
East [2] - 3151:19, 3152:1
eastern [1] - 3199:13
EASTERN [1] - 3151:1
easy [1] - 3305:21
economical [2] - 3268:1, 3268:12
education [3] - 3262:24, 3266:13,
3267:6
effect [1] - 3296:21
effort [2] - 3299:16, 3300:13
efforts [1] - 3300:9
eight [1] - 3180:24
either [5] - 3169:18, 3263:11, 3327:23,
3339:10, 3349:18
electronic [1] - 3239:20
element [2] - 3159:22, 3268:8
elephant [1] - 3201:15
elicit [5] - 3156:18, 3197:2, 3306:20,
3350:25
CSR
9
eliciting [1] - 3196:3
employer [1] - 3195:18
encouraged [1] - 3328:8
end [9] - 3191:22, 3203:10, 3204:9,
3253:18, 3255:6, 3295:14, 3337:20,
3348:17, 3348:19
End [1] - 3209:2
ended [1] - 3339:10
ending [1] - 3348:6
ends [1] - 3309:6
enforcement [2] - 3252:16, 3252:22
engaging [3] - 3161:1, 3196:15,
3247:5
engineer [14] - 3170:8, 3170:9,
3170:14, 3170:25, 3171:6, 3171:9,
3171:17, 3171:18, 3171:21, 3171:22,
3172:3, 3172:6, 3172:11
enhance [1] - 3181:24
enjoy [1] - 3305:10
enlarge [1] - 3259:1
enlarged [2] - 3258:23, 3258:24
ensure [2] - 3252:20, 3350:25
entering [2] - 3164:6, 3257:19
enters [4] - 3228:8, 3228:10, 3307:6,
3307:10
entertain [1] - 3295:14
entire [1] - 3155:22
entirely [1] - 3203:11
entirety [1] - 3224:7
entrusted [1] - 3174:17
equipment [1] - 3240:1
especially [5] - 3223:8, 3223:9,
3224:6, 3225:12, 3348:16
espouse [1] - 3158:11
espousing [1] - 3222:9
ESQ [4] - 3151:21, 3151:21, 3151:24,
3151:24
essence [1] - 3224:12
essential [1] - 3159:9
essentially [3] - 3155:8, 3159:4,
3253:7
establish [4] - 3158:4, 3162:4,
3196:20, 3246:10
established [9] - 3222:7, 3222:10,
3272:8, 3293:22, 3293:24, 3329:18,
3329:19, 3329:21
estate [1] - 3216:24
et [1] - 3152:14
evening [1] - 3347:23
event [2] - 3161:11, 3290:3
events [3] - 3153:15, 3153:21, 3323:10
eventually [8] - 3173:2, 3210:7,
3210:8, 3214:17, 3250:5, 3273:17,
3327:21, 3340:8
Evidence [2] - 3159:14, 3159:21
evidence [42] - 3153:23, 3153:24,
3154:6, 3154:9, 3155:5, 3178:13,
3184:24, 3191:1, 3201:4, 3204:4,
3204:6, 3204:8, 3204:10, 3204:11,
GR
3204:12, 3208:9, 3211:17, 3221:3,

3223:23, 3224:22, 3225:22, 3226:6,
3227:9, 3227:15, 3227:17, 3227:24,
3241:8, 3246:6, 3249:2, 3250:4,
3255:12, 3262:13, 3264:8, 3279:9,
3285:14, 3285:16, 3305:5, 3306:8,
3306:15, 3317:24, 3329:24, 3341:24
exact [1] - 3157:15
exactly [37] - 3170:19, 3171:22,
3177:21, 3181:7, 3184:17, 3192:23,
3210:16, 3210:17, 3229:9, 3229:16,
3232:6, 3235:24, 3235:25, 3240:5,
3242:3, 3242:17, 3260:20, 3265:9,
3265:25, 3274:7, 3279:23, 3280:6,
3280:7, 3288:14, 3289:16, 3294:15,
3295:5, 3295:9, 3302:18, 3303:9,
3313:17, 3317:2, 3326:22, 3331:14,
3332:13, 3334:12
EXAMINATION [13] - 3165:11, 3188:1,
3220:1, 3258:14, 3262:20, 3296:1,
3307:23, 3319:1, 3353:6, 3353:7,
3353:9, 3353:11, 3353:13
examination [12] - 3162:19, 3164:22,
3168:25, 3228:18, 3247:18, 3250:18,
3253:17, 3258:6, 3305:15, 3307:18,
3347:25, 3350:5
examined [1] - 3165:10
example [2] - 3227:2, 3317:14
except [2] - 3239:3, 3257:6
exception [7] - 3221:10, 3222:25,
3223:20, 3223:25, 3224:1, 3224:16,
3225:1
exchange [1] - 3277:14
exchanged [3] - 3242:24, 3244:8,
3244:17
excited [1] - 3217:9
exclude [2] - 3159:3, 3159:7
excluded [1] - 3220:16
excuse [11] - 3156:14, 3159:25,
3178:1, 3184:12, 3208:12, 3233:20,
3248:15, 3284:4, 3286:25, 3337:13
exhibit [3] - 3199:20, 3240:15, 3264:8
Exhibit [18] - 3155:17, 3231:12,
3231:13, 3241:16, 3241:25, 3262:14,
3279:9, 3290:21, 3299:21, 3309:18,
3309:19, 3321:23, 3327:7, 3334:16,
3339:24, 3340:20, 3346:23
exhibits [3] - 3252:18, 3306:12,
3306:14
existence [3] - 3224:22, 3224:23,
3250:2
existing [3] - 3224:15, 3224:17,
3224:25
exited [2] - 3219:1, 3219:6
expect [3] - 3156:9, 3298:23, 3299:4
expected [1] - 3201:20
expecting [3] - 3153:4, 3283:25,
3324:1
expenditures [1] - 3316:23
expense [4] - 3317:7, 3317:8, 3317:12
OCR
CM
CRR
expensive [1] - 3191:24

expertise [1] - 3217:20
expired [1] - 3174:13
explain [8] - 3171:22, 3172:20,
3235:10, 3235:11, 3294:14, 3325:16,
3325:21, 3346:8
explained [4] - 3294:11, 3300:17,
3300:18, 3332:12
explains [1] - 3205:12
explanation [1] - 3339:1
explore [2] - 3295:5, 3343:24
explosion [2] - 3169:8, 3169:13
export [1] - 3192:6
express [2] - 3166:7, 3294:5
expressed [5] - 3230:15, 3230:16,
3278:13, 3278:16, 3281:18
expresses [1] - 3269:2
expressing [1] - 3269:1
Expressway [1] - 3214:19
extended [1] - 3237:18
extent [7] - 3235:11, 3244:16,
3244:25, 3293:12, 3294:5, 3297:18,
3319:6
extra [1] - 3323:9
eyes [1] - 3169:1
F
face [2] - 3249:13
facility [1] - 3311:25
facing [6] - 3282:2, 3287:8, 3302:1,
3302:9, 3302:10, 3308:6
fact [36] - 3160:16, 3167:5, 3167:13,
3169:3, 3169:6, 3169:11, 3169:18,
3170:7, 3171:4, 3175:19, 3190:7,
3196:15, 3201:25, 3202:2, 3212:16,
3213:14, 3214:5, 3220:24, 3221:19,
3222:6, 3225:12, 3237:17, 3249:3,
3275:14, 3279:22, 3292:25, 3293:4,
3296:14, 3301:3, 3303:17, 3314:3,
3326:16, 3332:17, 3333:14, 3334:5
factors [1] - 3233:3
facts [1] - 3338:13
faded [1] - 3178:25
fading [1] - 3179:4
fail [2] - 3299:1, 3304:8
failed [3] - 3303:16, 3313:1
failing [1] - 3304:7
fair [14] - 3170:15, 3175:19, 3182:6,
3185:22, 3239:17, 3240:13, 3240:23,
3241:4, 3244:19, 3252:17, 3262:9,
3265:12, 3288:15, 3343:23
faith [4] - 3245:3, 3299:16, 3300:8,
3300:13
familiar [1] - 3243:6
family [6] - 3174:18, 3192:17, 3241:1,
3251:4, 3346:16, 3349:19
far [9] - 3195:9, 3234:13, 3242:18,
3247:25, 3248:25, 3250:9, 3256:12,
CSR
10
3295:13, 3343:18
farm [19] - 3172:25, 3176:8, 3176:12,
3177:10, 3177:11, 3177:20, 3182:13,
3182:17, 3183:8, 3186:7, 3186:22,
3191:6, 3204:19, 3210:14, 3211:10,
3211:14, 3216:17, 3263:4, 3263:6
Farm [3] - 3231:3, 3280:15, 3283:15
faster [3] - 3239:3, 3255:23, 3281:7
favors [1] - 3338:5
FBI [19] - 3169:1, 3194:16, 3194:18,
3195:5, 3195:7, 3195:9, 3229:24,
3230:1, 3230:6, 3230:21, 3232:4,
3232:5, 3232:6, 3233:14, 3235:5,
3235:12, 3276:24, 3277:10, 3317:7
February [4] - 3265:20, 3265:21,
3265:22, 3313:15
Federal [1] - 3151:22
federal [15] - 3294:19, 3295:4,
3297:22, 3298:13, 3301:4, 3301:6,
3301:9, 3308:25, 3309:12, 3309:13,
3310:22, 3310:24, 3311:3, 3312:5,
3312:7
fellow [1] - 3348:4
felony [2] - 3289:11, 3293:10
felt [2] - 3205:4, 3212:17
female [3] - 3242:3, 3242:4
few [5] - 3174:13, 3278:10, 3308:2,
3309:7, 3329:10
field [1] - 3293:15
fifteen [2] - 3305:19
fifth [2] - 3327:12, 3327:13
fighters [1] - 3221:24
figure [5] - 3179:11, 3198:17, 3253:11,
3278:23, 3351:10
file [2] - 3220:15, 3312:13
final [1] - 3211:10
finally [1] - 3285:10
financing [2] - 3161:1, 3248:24
fine [13] - 3156:2, 3176:17, 3183:18,
3196:11, 3227:21, 3228:1, 3228:4,
3250:8, 3255:3, 3306:11, 3306:16,
3351:22, 3352:3
finish [6] - 3232:23, 3253:22, 3345:6,
3348:14, 3351:10, 3351:15
finished [4] - 3210:24, 3296:6,
3334:18, 3335:1
finishes [1] - 3223:2
finishing [3] - 3195:11, 3223:10,
3223:15
first [54] - 3153:14, 3153:22, 3156:2,
3158:20, 3168:5, 3168:8, 3168:13,
3168:17, 3169:15, 3170:11, 3170:12,
3176:11, 3177:11, 3178:6, 3181:15,
3182:25, 3188:18, 3202:20, 3213:22,
3215:17, 3215:22, 3216:1, 3222:4,
3247:12, 3250:12, 3253:5, 3253:18,
3256:13, 3263:7, 3264:8, 3265:6,
3277:18, 3277:21, 3277:22, 3283:20,
3283:22, 3299:23, 3304:6, 3320:18,
3320:19, 3321:9, 3324:8, 3324:18,
GR
3324:23, 3324:24, 3325:13, 3327:11,

3333:22, 3334:18, 3335:1, 3335:3,
3340:14, 3340:24
five [11] - 3255:21, 3287:12, 3289:18,
3302:13, 3312:7, 3313:11, 3314:10,
3323:11, 3323:13, 3324:4, 3324:6
fix [2] - 3217:1, 3329:9
fixes [1] - 3216:25
flat [1] - 3347:18
flaw [1] - 3304:9
flight [1] - 3275:23
flow [1] - 3222:3
fly [1] - 3337:13
flyers [6] - 3193:5, 3193:7, 3193:9,
3193:19, 3193:20, 3248:23
flying [1] - 3337:12
focus [1] - 3162:15
folks [13] - 3160:5, 3186:25, 3187:6,
3189:5, 3190:12, 3198:13, 3202:7,
3205:1, 3205:3, 3264:18, 3264:22,
3265:7, 3266:19
follow [3] - 3162:2, 3191:2, 3191:4
followed [1] - 3249:7
follower [1] - 3162:4
following [9] - 3152:10, 3182:22,
3201:1, 3204:1, 3208:1, 3254:21,
3257:2, 3281:22, 3339:14
follows [1] - 3165:10
food [3] - 3315:25, 3330:8, 3348:11
foreseeable [1] - 3234:12
forget [1] - 3255:16
form [6] - 3190:6, 3211:7, 3213:8,
3268:21, 3305:4, 3349:16
formal [1] - 3193:22
formation [1] - 3169:12
forth [3] - 3212:17, 3312:15, 3333:17
forward [3] - 3196:10, 3270:6, 3285:23
foundation [3] - 3160:15, 3201:24,
3202:25
four [8] - 3153:6, 3154:6, 3242:18,
3242:21, 3252:2, 3305:10, 3321:24,
3322:8
fourth [3] - 3277:6, 3327:12, 3327:13
frame [1] - 3253:23
Francis [109] - 3153:13, 3160:13,
3160:17, 3161:6, 3164:22, 3165:15,
3168:3, 3168:19, 3169:3, 3170:15,
3172:5, 3173:15, 3178:1, 3178:14,
3178:15, 3178:22, 3180:19, 3182:20,
3185:1, 3185:8, 3190:2, 3190:7,
3191:5, 3198:3, 3200:13, 3201:10,
3202:1, 3202:8, 3204:15, 3208:3,
3210:3, 3210:19, 3210:25, 3213:24,
3215:15, 3216:5, 3217:16, 3217:23,
3219:3, 3220:25, 3221:2, 3222:11,
3225:19, 3225:23, 3227:9, 3227:14,
3228:6, 3228:19, 3228:20, 3228:25,
3234:2, 3234:4, 3238:8, 3240:18,
3242:11, 3247:5, 3247:14, 3247:20,
3248:21, 3250:18, 3251:16, 3255:23,
OCR
CM
CRR
3257:8, 3258:6, 3258:16, 3259:17,

3263:4, 3263:24, 3264:21, 3266:12,
3267:4, 3269:7, 3269:11, 3270:20,
3272:11, 3272:24, 3279:15, 3280:3,
3282:17, 3284:13, 3285:10, 3285:17,
3286:7, 3286:12, 3286:24, 3287:1,
3289:18, 3290:7, 3294:6, 3296:5,
3296:12, 3299:15, 3299:21, 3299:23,
3300:2, 3300:11, 3301:3, 3305:14,
3307:20, 3308:2, 3309:20, 3321:7,
3324:16, 3343:19, 3343:24, 3344:3,
3344:18, 3345:2, 3350:5
Francis's [1] - 3254:6
fraud [2] - 3196:15, 3247:9
Friday [24] - 3162:21, 3193:18, 3194:7,
3194:10, 3195:13, 3201:20, 3226:14,
3226:16, 3251:19, 3251:20, 3252:2,
3252:3, 3253:23, 3254:14, 3254:20,
3254:21, 3255:7, 3255:8, 3255:9,
3255:10, 3255:13, 3314:8, 3321:10,
3321:12
friend [1] - 3196:13
friends [4] - 3195:16, 3195:17,
3290:13, 3349:20
front [11] - 3178:16, 3179:3, 3201:3,
3208:8, 3222:19, 3227:23, 3237:3,
3299:23, 3310:7, 3317:21, 3320:12
frustrated [1] - 3201:25
frustration [1] - 3166:7
fulfil [1] - 3275:1
full [7] - 3194:12, 3220:22, 3235:21,
3235:22, 3240:7, 3311:9, 3320:12
full-time [1] - 3311:9
fully [1] - 3281:22
fund [1] - 3281:19
funded [2] - 3276:14, 3276:15
funding [1] - 3214:15
funds [1] - 3281:4
furniture [3] - 3243:15, 3243:16
furtherance [1] - 3222:18
G
gained [2] - 3170:10, 3226:19
gas [3] - 3318:2, 3318:5, 3318:7
gather [1] - 3153:22
gathered [1] - 3194:6
gathering [1] - 3193:22
gear [1] - 3179:19
gears [1] - 3163:1
Gene [1] - 3152:1
general [4] - 3156:20, 3182:10,
3238:19, 3253:11
generally [1] - 3214:13
gentlemen [10] - 3164:8, 3190:25,
3204:3, 3218:16, 3218:25, 3228:12,
3242:8, 3250:24, 3257:21, 3305:3
getaway [2] - 3301:21, 3301:24
given [14] - 3174:16, 3192:25,
CSR
11
3198:20, 3202:21, 3225:7, 3233:9,
3253:23, 3254:21, 3277:1, 3277:12,
3319:20, 3320:1, 3351:9, 3351:25
God [3] - 3303:16, 3304:6, 3304:21
goods [5] - 3328:19, 3330:6, 3330:7,
3331:6, 3333:12
Google [19] - 3175:23, 3176:1, 3176:4,
3176:15, 3176:23, 3177:19, 3177:23,
3181:16, 3181:22, 3182:3, 3182:8,
3182:14, 3183:1, 3183:3, 3183:4,
3183:7, 3258:21, 3259:22, 3260:13
Government [12] - 3151:15, 3155:17,
3231:13, 3279:9, 3299:20, 3309:19,
3321:23, 3327:7, 3334:16, 3339:23,
3340:20, 3346:22
government [41] - 3153:11, 3154:9,
3155:3, 3155:16, 3156:1, 3158:16,
3158:22, 3196:2, 3198:21, 3202:8,
3202:22, 3220:14, 3220:15, 3221:2,
3222:1, 3223:18, 3223:22, 3224:11,
3241:18, 3241:20, 3246:17, 3247:14,
3248:2, 3249:11, 3249:20, 3250:19,
3252:16, 3253:2, 3253:4, 3253:12,
3257:25, 3296:17, 3297:18, 3297:22,
3302:4, 3305:16, 3343:14, 3344:7,
3350:7, 3350:8
Government's [1] - 3262:13
government's [5] - 3157:18, 3220:13,
3249:3, 3252:22, 3321:19
graduated [2] - 3212:20
grand [4] - 3290:7, 3292:3, 3292:18,
3310:3
granted [1] - 3201:18
graphic [1] - 3249:10
great [10] - 3156:17, 3203:9, 3217:21,
3316:22, 3319:6, 3319:7, 3319:24,
3320:7, 3328:7, 3328:8
greater [2] - 3332:20, 3333:13
Greenheart [1] - 3180:14
greetings [2] - 3180:21, 3242:24
grounded [2] - 3212:14, 3212:15
group [3] - 3216:9, 3216:14, 3217:1
groups [1] - 3221:14
grown [1] - 3251:5
grown-ups [1] - 3251:5
guess [2] - 3201:7, 3215:10
guidance [1] - 3267:23
guidelines [1] - 3298:24
guilty [6] - 3289:25, 3290:1, 3293:10,
3294:18, 3295:5, 3308:3
guy [5] - 3203:8, 3216:20, 3280:16,
3280:17, 3315:14
Guyana [67] - 3176:7, 3176:12,
3180:12, 3181:6, 3182:11, 3182:15,
3192:7, 3197:1, 3213:5, 3217:18,
3217:24, 3227:5, 3228:25, 3229:3,
3230:17, 3230:19, 3230:20, 3230:22,
3230:25, 3236:9, 3236:14, 3237:15,
3237:17, 3237:18, 3238:10, 3238:15,
3238:17, 3238:18, 3238:23, 3239:1,
GR
3239:17, 3240:7, 3244:4, 3244:11,

3250:2, 3258:17, 3260:15, 3261:17,
3324:20, 3327:24, 3328:4, 3328:6,
3328:9, 3328:11, 3329:9, 3329:11,
3329:24, 3330:7, 3330:22, 3330:24,
3331:10, 3331:22, 3336:14, 3337:3,
3337:13, 3338:11, 3338:21, 3338:23,
3339:3, 3339:5, 3341:14, 3343:15,
3344:25, 3345:4, 3346:10, 3347:20
Guyanese [1] - 3330:25
H
Hair [1] - 3336:11
haircutting [1] - 3311:18
half [7] - 3154:23, 3158:24, 3159:6,
3226:14, 3254:7, 3348:9, 3348:14
halfway [1] - 3309:13
hamper [1] - 3351:18
hand [2] - 3163:1, 3291:2
handed [5] - 3153:5, 3153:10,
3219:13, 3256:4, 3292:3
handful [1] - 3194:9
handing [1] - 3210:21
handing) [2] - 3199:4, 3231:16
handle [1] - 3208:11
handled [1] - 3234:17
handler [2] - 3161:6, 3254:6
handlers [1] - 3235:3
handling [3] - 3278:17, 3314:3, 3315:7
hands [1] - 3233:23
handy [2] - 3185:24, 3190:1
happy [1] - 3247:20
hard [4] - 3241:10, 3241:12, 3246:4,
3299:10
hatchery [3] - 3160:6, 3186:25, 3187:6
hate [1] - 3304:18
head [1] - 3279:25
headed [1] - 3344:1
headphones [2] - 3201:6, 3201:7
heads [1] - 3307:2
heads-up [1] - 3307:2
hear [9] - 3160:2, 3201:7, 3204:20,
3223:18, 3251:8, 3272:13, 3294:15,
3323:1, 3326:13
heard [16] - 3160:8, 3163:6, 3197:7,
3218:8, 3223:17, 3246:21, 3247:13,
3267:5, 3270:7, 3271:5, 3308:13,
3319:8, 3320:3, 3320:6, 3320:19,
3349:17
hearing [3] - 3189:25, 3225:16, 3256:1
hearsay [17] - 3160:20, 3163:4,
3197:11, 3201:23, 3203:4, 3221:11,
3222:20, 3222:25, 3223:20, 3223:25,
3224:1, 3224:16, 3343:3, 3344:2,
3344:13, 3344:18, 3344:21
heart [2] - 3156:7, 3304:18
heavily [1] - 3174:10
held [2] - 3264:5, 3293:17
OCR
CM
CRR
help [32] - 3170:17, 3191:2, 3191:4,

3192:13, 3193:4, 3202:4, 3202:19,
3206:19, 3214:1, 3214:7, 3217:18,
3217:21, 3230:13, 3247:7, 3247:19,
3275:3, 3289:4, 3289:8, 3304:2,
3320:9, 3328:14, 3328:24, 3330:11,
3332:25, 3333:20, 3334:13, 3338:23,
3338:25, 3339:7, 3339:9, 3339:25
helpful [1] - 3327:14
helping [5] - 3268:7, 3268:24,
3275:15, 3333:11, 3339:10
helps [2] - 3179:11, 3294:14
Hezbollah [6] - 3227:2, 3227:3,
3269:21, 3270:12, 3270:22, 3272:2
high [8] - 3282:19, 3308:6, 3334:6,
3335:14, 3346:9, 3346:12, 3347:2,
3347:6
high-tech [5] - 3335:14, 3346:9,
3346:12, 3347:2, 3347:6
higher [1] - 3294:10
himself [7] - 3174:17, 3192:16,
3208:16, 3232:1, 3243:22, 3275:22,
3303:16
Hindi [1] - 3248:25
history [2] - 3249:18, 3293:1
Hoie [1] - 3214:18
HOIE [1] - 3214:18
hold [7] - 3162:20, 3203:7, 3205:6,
3248:4, 3250:24, 3317:5, 3317:6
holidays [1] - 3337:7
home [9] - 3165:18, 3165:22, 3167:17,
3248:16, 3280:10, 3280:11, 3349:25,
3350:1, 3351:16
honest [2] - 3220:25, 3221:1
Honor [38] - 3152:16, 3152:22,
3153:18, 3154:5, 3154:21, 3154:24,
3155:13, 3156:8, 3158:20, 3158:25,
3159:7, 3159:15, 3163:7, 3163:24,
3164:18, 3164:19, 3164:20, 3220:18,
3225:6, 3228:7, 3228:15, 3228:16,
3228:17, 3231:14, 3253:3, 3254:4,
3255:5, 3257:5, 3257:7, 3258:1,
3258:3, 3258:4, 3307:14, 3307:15,
3342:4, 3343:2, 3346:4, 3347:23
HONORABLE [1] - 3151:13
hope [8] - 3164:9, 3164:11, 3219:8,
3252:25, 3253:17, 3257:21, 3343:9,
3350:19
horse [1] - 3294:12
hot [2] - 3331:5, 3333:11
Hotel [1] - 3229:10
hotel [1] - 3229:17
hour [3] - 3226:14, 3348:9, 3348:14
hours [5] - 3155:23, 3156:15, 3235:22,
3250:12, 3260:4
house [23] - 3158:4, 3168:5, 3178:7,
3242:23, 3242:25, 3243:7, 3243:9,
3243:14, 3243:18, 3249:23, 3258:17,
3260:16, 3261:19, 3261:20, 3261:21,
3261:24, 3261:25, 3287:18, 3287:25,
CSR
12
3288:25, 3309:13, 3314:24, 3315:3
houses [2] - 3216:23, 3217:1
hum [5] - 3158:12, 3162:6, 3162:9,
3162:10
human [1] - 3304:8
hundreds [1] - 3319:4
Hussein [30] - 3158:3, 3158:13,
3159:12, 3160:10, 3160:16, 3161:5,
3161:10, 3161:11, 3161:15, 3161:17,
3161:19, 3161:21, 3162:6, 3162:9,
3162:10, 3163:3, 3221:11, 3221:13,
3222:11, 3222:23, 3223:2, 3224:13,
3227:6, 3243:19, 3243:24, 3243:25,
3244:2, 3244:3, 3244:11, 3244:14
Hussein's [3] - 3158:10, 3222:20,
3223:21
hypothesized [1] - 3190:2
I
I.D [2] - 3198:20, 3207:3
Ibal [4] - 3195:10, 3195:14, 3195:15
Ibrahim [14] - 3167:6, 3167:9, 3167:13,
3273:17, 3273:20, 3273:22, 3273:25,
3274:2, 3274:6, 3283:17, 3284:14,
3284:18, 3284:20, 3285:2
idea [12] - 3203:9, 3205:3, 3212:1,
3216:2, 3226:23, 3254:16, 3260:5,
3283:20, 3283:22, 3285:8, 3299:4,
3351:19
ideas [2] - 3260:5
identification [5] - 3198:23, 3204:5,
3210:19, 3241:10, 3290:22
identify [4] - 3176:7, 3199:16,
3246:18, 3320:21
identifying [1] - 3256:4
illegal [2] - 3312:24, 3314:3
image [1] - 3181:25
imagine [1] - 3243:6
Imam [1] - 3222:1
immediate [1] - 3163:14
immediately [1] - 3278:8
impact [2] - 3294:7
impeach [1] - 3293:9
impeaches [1] - 3202:14
impeaching [4] - 3202:13, 3202:14,
3208:24, 3310:13
impeachment [2] - 3209:1, 3256:14
implicit [1] - 3224:8
important [8] - 3162:8, 3174:1,
3197:12, 3200:6, 3230:17, 3266:4,
3274:22, 3338:17
importing [1] - 3180:12
impossible [2] - 3339:12
in-between [1] - 3265:22
inadmissible [4] - 3159:8, 3159:12,
3159:13, 3344:11
inadvertently [1] - 3208:12
inappropriate [3] - 3201:10, 3208:10
GR
Inc [1] - 3224:21

incentive [1] - 3293:13
inclined [1] - 3193:12
include [3] - 3223:22, 3224:24,
3289:14
including [4] - 3157:21, 3220:22,
3301:20, 3330:8
income [1] - 3313:22
inconsistent [3] - 3203:13, 3203:15,
3208:13
indicate [2] - 3222:15, 3222:17
individual [3] - 3212:9, 3212:11,
3239:2
inform [1] - 3173:1
informant [5] - 3276:25, 3316:6,
3343:14, 3344:4, 3344:22
information [17] - 3160:3, 3171:20,
3171:25, 3173:4, 3173:14, 3183:15,
3188:21, 3239:24, 3263:13, 3266:14,
3267:7, 3279:4, 3280:17, 3343:16,
3344:14, 3344:15, 3344:23
informed [4] - 3175:22, 3188:22,
3189:7, 3253:1
informing [3] - 3158:1, 3162:16,
3343:17
initial [1] - 3155:17
inmates [1] - 3308:21
innocent [2] - 3158:8, 3221:14
input [2] - 3156:21, 3268:3
inquire [2] - 3172:3, 3228:23
inquiring [1] - 3192:5
inside [1] - 3243:13
insofar [1] - 3232:17
instance [2] - 3186:6, 3256:13
instances [2] - 3195:2, 3293:16
instead [8] - 3153:17, 3177:22,
3211:25, 3212:2, 3212:3, 3252:19,
3317:1, 3317:4
institutions [11] - 3225:24, 3226:23,
3227:4, 3269:24, 3270:2, 3270:3,
3270:8, 3270:22, 3286:9
instructed [4] - 3206:22, 3231:1,
3233:5, 3234:1
instructing [2] - 3226:21, 3268:17
instruction [2] - 3175:24, 3253:3
instructions [17] - 3182:22, 3192:16,
3204:10, 3207:2, 3213:18, 3230:23,
3233:2, 3233:8, 3234:18, 3253:5,
3253:6, 3253:7, 3258:24, 3268:11,
3315:6, 3338:2, 3339:14
instructs [1] - 3225:23
intact [1] - 3195:7
intent [7] - 3159:23, 3160:23, 3163:4,
3224:5, 3224:16, 3224:18, 3225:2
intention [3] - 3196:7, 3196:19,
3224:22
interact [1] - 3242:24
interaction [1] - 3278:20
interest [10] - 3172:24, 3206:9,
3206:10, 3214:15, 3230:16, 3238:4,
OCR
CM
CRR
3250:3, 3269:4, 3286:12, 3296:12

interested [39] - 3157:19, 3160:4,
3160:5, 3177:23, 3184:7, 3184:8,
3188:3, 3189:6, 3190:12, 3198:4,
3198:13, 3202:7, 3202:10, 3205:9,
3236:18, 3247:5, 3247:8, 3249:8,
3249:21, 3263:11, 3263:14, 3263:17,
3263:19, 3263:20, 3264:16, 3264:18,
3264:23, 3265:8, 3266:2, 3266:20,
3266:21, 3267:3, 3272:8, 3273:20,
3285:19, 3326:10, 3329:4, 3329:7
interesting [1] - 3249:11
intermingling [1] - 3250:7
Internet [3] - 3329:9, 3329:12, 3329:14
interpret [2] - 3269:16, 3323:22
interpretation [1] - 3203:17
interpreted [3] - 3160:6, 3323:16,
3323:19
interpreting [1] - 3202:11
interrupt [1] - 3252:9
interrupted [1] - 3202:3
interrupting [1] - 3252:12
interspersed [1] - 3246:24
introduce [9] - 3155:24, 3220:7,
3224:13, 3246:3, 3246:17, 3275:7,
3275:11, 3330:13, 3344:6
introduced [7] - 3214:20, 3222:4,
3223:23, 3336:7, 3336:10, 3337:24,
3344:7
introducing [2] - 3224:24, 3344:10
introduction [2] - 3185:14, 3186:1
introductory [1] - 3185:22
intruder [1] - 3222:15
investigation [2] - 3317:12, 3320:24
investigations [1] - 3318:6
Investigator [1] - 3152:19
investing [1] - 3230:6
investors [1] - 3230:5
invitation [1] - 3237:15
invited [1] - 3230:18
involve [2] - 3293:19, 3335:10
involved [29] - 3160:14, 3192:18,
3194:15, 3205:2, 3213:25, 3214:18,
3222:14, 3264:13, 3276:14, 3281:25,
3288:7, 3288:16, 3297:11, 3297:15,
3301:9, 3313:15, 3313:19, 3320:23,
3331:11, 3331:23, 3331:24, 3333:24,
3334:8, 3334:10, 3335:9, 3336:18,
3336:20, 3336:21, 3336:25
involvement [1] - 3288:12
involves [3] - 3293:18, 3301:6, 3334:6
involving [1] - 3294:21
Iran [14] - 3158:13, 3168:15, 3169:20,
3170:3, 3188:19, 3189:1, 3244:4,
3244:8, 3244:14, 3244:15, 3284:14,
3284:19, 3285:3, 3285:8
IRIZARRY [1] - 3151:13
irrelevant [4] - 3159:8, 3223:21,
3249:19, 3293:24
Islam [6] - 3161:14, 3226:21, 3227:4,
CSR
13
3260:6, 3267:15, 3269:15
Islamic [2] - 3328:8, 3330:15
issue [35] - 3155:3, 3155:8, 3155:13,
3156:25, 3157:2, 3157:16, 3158:23,
3161:12, 3162:15, 3162:16, 3168:4,
3196:16, 3196:23, 3197:6, 3197:23,
3201:9, 3203:5, 3214:6, 3214:11,
3219:8, 3226:15, 3247:13, 3248:1,
3248:18, 3248:19, 3249:15, 3249:17,
3250:9, 3253:2, 3295:10, 3306:17,
3324:3, 3345:5, 3351:2
issues [3] - 3234:4, 3306:20, 3306:23
item [2] - 3191:24, 3191:25
items [7] - 3204:3, 3204:5, 3315:25,
3329:4, 3329:5, 3330:8, 3330:16
itself [2] - 3169:8, 3191:1
IV [1] - 3199:16
J
jail [15] - 3276:8, 3294:8, 3302:18,
3304:24, 3308:17, 3308:19, 3308:22,
3309:8, 3310:19, 3311:6, 3311:9,
3311:15, 3311:17, 3312:4, 3313:9
jam [1] - 3216:14
JAM [1] - 3216:14
Jamaica [1] - 3214:19
January [2] - 3261:9, 3313:15
Japanese [1] - 3191:13
JASON [1] - 3151:17
Jason [1] - 3152:17
Jersey [7] - 3290:3, 3292:7, 3292:9,
3292:15, 3292:20, 3296:8, 3314:22
JFK [25] - 3157:21, 3172:23, 3177:9,
3177:20, 3182:3, 3182:18, 3212:10,
3214:4, 3263:6, 3264:16, 3268:13,
3270:17, 3275:10, 3280:15, 3281:19,
3281:24, 3317:15, 3332:6, 3333:25,
3334:10, 3335:9, 3335:11, 3335:12,
3336:20, 3347:19
job [6] - 3275:1, 3317:1, 3317:4,
3317:5, 3317:6, 3326:17
Johnson [1] - 3287:20
join [1] - 3282:4
joined [2] - 3152:18, 3158:6
JONES [62] - 3151:17, 3152:16,
3153:18, 3154:5, 3154:12, 3154:18,
3154:21, 3155:18, 3157:6, 3157:9,
3158:20, 3159:24, 3160:12, 3163:24,
3164:2, 3164:18, 3166:19, 3169:21,
3171:14, 3189:12, 3189:22, 3197:11,
3199:25, 3201:9, 3201:22, 3202:13,
3205:13, 3208:23, 3214:9, 3217:4,
3223:19, 3224:10, 3227:13, 3228:7,
3228:15, 3237:6, 3237:11, 3241:21,
3241:24, 3245:4, 3246:13, 3248:14,
3256:2, 3257:5, 3258:1, 3264:19,
3265:2, 3266:8, 3290:23, 3292:22,
3294:7, 3294:25, 3299:13, 3299:18,
GR
3301:1, 3304:13, 3305:21, 3307:14,

3341:15, 3342:4, 3343:2, 3343:11
Jones [3] - 3152:17, 3159:18, 3314:8
JTTF [3] - 3315:21, 3316:6, 3317:7
Juan [1] - 3289:14
judge [32] - 3156:8, 3157:10, 3161:5,
3163:5, 3163:20, 3178:13, 3179:10,
3180:7, 3208:6, 3241:7, 3262:12,
3262:16, 3279:8, 3290:20, 3293:7,
3296:23, 3299:5, 3300:25, 3302:21,
3303:3, 3303:4, 3303:6, 3303:7,
3303:15, 3303:16, 3303:17, 3303:18,
3303:21, 3303:23, 3303:24, 3304:1,
3304:15
JUDGE [1] - 3151:13
Judge [43] - 3153:2, 3153:9, 3153:25,
3156:6, 3156:11, 3156:19, 3159:17,
3160:12, 3160:16, 3161:15, 3162:4,
3163:12, 3163:16, 3175:8, 3179:2,
3179:18, 3179:24, 3184:12, 3184:23,
3184:24, 3190:16, 3198:9, 3198:22,
3207:3, 3208:18, 3210:18, 3211:16,
3215:18, 3218:14, 3219:17, 3220:9,
3223:6, 3224:10, 3226:18, 3228:4,
3228:24, 3234:7, 3246:16, 3258:8,
3279:12, 3292:12, 3295:3, 3310:10
judged [1] - 3221:3
July [8] - 3151:9, 3255:4, 3324:24,
3325:2, 3325:11, 3326:6, 3326:7,
3336:6
Jumar [3] - 3193:19, 3193:22, 3194:7
jumar [1] - 3194:4
June [3] - 3325:3, 3325:10, 3326:7
JUROR [1] - 3164:14
juror [1] - 3252:10
jurors [11] - 3164:16, 3185:5, 3189:24,
3198:10, 3228:13, 3248:12, 3257:23,
3262:18, 3294:15, 3307:12, 3348:4
Jury [4] - 3228:10, 3251:14, 3307:10,
3350:2
jury [44] - 3151:13, 3152:10, 3160:1,
3162:20, 3162:24, 3164:5, 3164:6,
3178:17, 3184:20, 3197:3, 3201:3,
3201:8, 3201:14, 3208:8, 3219:1,
3220:4, 3220:7, 3221:1, 3221:4,
3226:15, 3227:23, 3228:9, 3242:6,
3252:4, 3253:3, 3253:21, 3253:24,
3256:1, 3257:2, 3257:10, 3257:18,
3257:19, 3287:25, 3290:7, 3292:3,
3292:18, 3293:5, 3295:8, 3299:22,
3305:12, 3306:2, 3307:4, 3310:4,
3350:4
jury's [1] - 3155:5
justifiable [1] - 3161:13
justify [1] - 3269:5
K
Kadir [206] - 3151:25, 3153:1, 3153:3,
OCR
CM
CRR
3155:7, 3156:19, 3157:4, 3158:2,

3158:6, 3158:9, 3158:17, 3160:21,
3161:3, 3161:7, 3161:12, 3161:20,
3161:25, 3162:5, 3162:6, 3162:9,
3165:14, 3165:18, 3165:21, 3166:14,
3166:24, 3167:17, 3167:25, 3168:2,
3168:16, 3169:4, 3169:7, 3169:19,
3169:24, 3170:7, 3170:21, 3171:7,
3171:17, 3171:23, 3172:12, 3172:23,
3174:11, 3174:16, 3174:21, 3175:13,
3175:17, 3175:22, 3181:2, 3181:18,
3182:2, 3182:9, 3184:13, 3184:16,
3186:6, 3186:18, 3187:5, 3188:23,
3189:3, 3189:15, 3189:17, 3190:2,
3190:8, 3190:12, 3190:17, 3196:14,
3197:7, 3198:12, 3198:17, 3199:8,
3199:24, 3202:2, 3202:5, 3202:6,
3202:9, 3202:11, 3203:3, 3203:6,
3203:8, 3204:15, 3204:21, 3204:23,
3204:25, 3205:11, 3205:16, 3205:19,
3206:8, 3211:22, 3212:1, 3212:2,
3212:4, 3212:14, 3212:15, 3212:16,
3212:18, 3212:19, 3212:22, 3213:4,
3213:11, 3214:6, 3214:12, 3214:25,
3215:5, 3215:21, 3216:6, 3216:7,
3217:3, 3217:8, 3217:23, 3218:5,
3218:9, 3220:25, 3221:12, 3221:13,
3223:1, 3223:9, 3225:8, 3225:21,
3225:22, 3226:20, 3226:25, 3227:6,
3228:19, 3231:23, 3236:19, 3237:24,
3238:2, 3238:9, 3238:11, 3238:14,
3238:16, 3239:3, 3239:7, 3239:10,
3239:12, 3239:13, 3241:1, 3243:22,
3244:1, 3244:6, 3244:12, 3244:17,
3244:18, 3244:22, 3245:1, 3246:19,
3247:4, 3247:15, 3247:20, 3247:24,
3248:3, 3248:15, 3249:8, 3249:21,
3250:7, 3254:10, 3254:11, 3258:20,
3259:4, 3260:4, 3260:13, 3260:21,
3262:5, 3262:23, 3263:8, 3264:17,
3264:22, 3264:24, 3265:6, 3266:1,
3266:12, 3267:16, 3267:21, 3267:22,
3267:25, 3268:2, 3268:7, 3268:11,
3268:14, 3268:16, 3268:23, 3269:20,
3270:1, 3270:3, 3270:20, 3272:6,
3272:15, 3273:1, 3273:20, 3273:25,
3274:4, 3274:8, 3274:12, 3277:2,
3283:4, 3283:7, 3283:12, 3283:24,
3284:7, 3284:9, 3284:10, 3285:5,
3285:17, 3285:22, 3286:1, 3286:7,
3306:13
KADIR [1] - 3151:8
Kadir's [20] - 3154:25, 3156:21,
3159:21, 3160:2, 3163:4, 3166:5,
3168:5, 3169:12, 3220:23, 3222:6,
3223:1, 3224:15, 3240:8, 3242:2,
3242:13, 3250:3, 3258:17, 3264:11,
3274:5, 3277:15
KAFAHNI [1] - 3151:24
KAMDANG [2] - 3151:21, 3251:19
CSR
14
Kamdang [2] - 3152:23, 3254:5
Kareem [2] - 3273:17, 3273:20
Katana [2] - 3191:13
keep [17] - 3153:11, 3187:8, 3187:9,
3188:14, 3189:25, 3196:10, 3196:11,
3206:7, 3218:18, 3251:1, 3251:10,
3253:1, 3268:16, 3281:2, 3304:11,
3317:23, 3352:1
kept [1] - 3208:14
Khoe [1] - 3193:20
Khomeni [1] - 3222:1
kids [1] - 3251:4
kill [2] - 3223:3, 3223:7
killing [3] - 3158:8, 3221:14, 3223:8
kilo [1] - 3287:12
kilograms [1] - 3294:21
kilos [11] - 3289:18, 3290:4, 3292:6,
3292:9, 3292:14, 3292:19, 3292:24,
3293:23, 3296:7, 3314:10, 3314:13
kind [12] - 3171:17, 3171:22, 3172:6,
3172:11, 3191:3, 3218:21, 3218:22,
3227:23, 3252:5, 3267:23, 3349:20,
3349:21
kinds [5] - 3196:18, 3204:11, 3251:6,
3330:11, 3330:15
knowing [2] - 3184:8, 3224:7
knowledge [15] - 3170:10, 3170:18,
3170:20, 3173:1, 3216:16, 3218:7,
3239:22, 3240:1, 3244:8, 3244:17,
3244:22, 3244:24, 3245:2, 3274:6,
3281:24
knowledgeable [2] - 3216:22, 3244:3
known [1] - 3196:25
knows [4] - 3197:7, 3216:6, 3222:11,
3292:6
L
Laden [3] - 3221:17, 3223:4, 3223:7
Ladies [1] - 3204:3
ladies [9] - 3164:8, 3190:25, 3218:16,
3218:25, 3228:12, 3242:8, 3250:24,
3257:21, 3305:3
laid [1] - 3201:25
land [8] - 3192:15, 3192:20, 3192:21,
3218:1, 3218:3, 3247:16, 3335:12
landing [1] - 3276:11
landmarks [1] - 3177:21
large [2] - 3289:23, 3301:10
larger [1] - 3194:9
last [10] - 3165:17, 3212:22, 3267:2,
3294:23, 3300:6, 3314:8, 3322:12,
3334:17, 3341:5, 3346:23
lasted [1] - 3288:14
lasts [1] - 3337:14
late [2] - 3159:16, 3278:4
law [4] - 3242:15, 3252:16, 3252:22,
3293:8
lawyer [1] - 3300:17
GR
lay [2] - 3160:15, 3202:24

lead [3] - 3220:24, 3299:11, 3300:9
leader [3] - 3156:22, 3157:5, 3157:13
leads [1] - 3300:14
learn [6] - 3237:16, 3276:9, 3311:22,
3325:16, 3344:24, 3345:3
learned [7] - 3170:24, 3171:2,
3214:22, 3265:6, 3304:16, 3328:3,
3329:11
least [13] - 3153:14, 3178:19, 3220:21,
3227:19, 3248:11, 3249:6, 3252:15,
3252:21, 3253:11, 3330:10, 3341:11,
3343:15, 3351:10
leave [4] - 3153:18, 3251:12, 3253:25,
3349:3
leaves [4] - 3251:14, 3305:12, 3350:2,
3350:18
leaving [3] - 3202:19, 3221:18,
3263:21
Lebanon [1] - 3227:3
led [1] - 3273:17
left [7] - 3156:7, 3156:15, 3165:17,
3258:16, 3261:11, 3324:21, 3340:17
legitimate [1] - 3249:4
legitimizing [1] - 3247:10
Len [1] - 3152:23
LEN [1] - 3151:21
length [3] - 3199:6, 3288:12, 3303:13
lengthy [1] - 3159:20
less [10] - 3212:13, 3296:16, 3298:23,
3311:16, 3316:11, 3316:12, 3316:13,
3316:16, 3316:17, 3317:3
lesson [1] - 3272:24
letter [4] - 3195:18, 3196:5, 3253:7,
3303:22
level [1] - 3344:18
levels [1] - 3343:3
Levitt [2] - 3252:24, 3351:7
license [6] - 3311:20, 3311:21,
3311:23, 3311:24, 3312:2, 3312:3
lie [4] - 3160:7, 3202:12, 3293:18,
3303:14
life [13] - 3162:1, 3162:2, 3162:3,
3162:10, 3287:9, 3294:9, 3294:10,
3296:16, 3302:12, 3302:13, 3304:22,
3308:6
lift [1] - 3328:22
light [1] - 3225:12
limit [1] - 3305:17
Linden [1] - 3245:2
line [14] - 3161:18, 3162:10, 3179:16,
3208:12, 3208:13, 3211:16, 3215:17,
3221:13, 3221:17, 3223:16, 3292:18,
3294:6, 3296:5, 3300:6
lion [1] - 3223:3
listed [1] - 3200:10
listen [16] - 3186:4, 3200:5, 3218:22,
3251:8, 3266:10, 3269:2, 3269:5,
3271:3, 3305:7, 3319:12, 3319:15,
3319:16, 3319:21, 3320:1, 3321:4,
OCR
CM
CRR
3349:20
listened [9] - 3199:6, 3319:15,
3319:17, 3319:21, 3319:24, 3320:2,
3320:8, 3320:9, 3320:15
listening [12] - 3157:25, 3158:11,
3160:16, 3160:19, 3171:10, 3204:25,
3217:15, 3223:11, 3235:15, 3270:25,
3271:4, 3320:20
litigation [4] - 3154:15, 3154:17,
3158:23, 3224:21
live [5] - 3216:8, 3243:9, 3304:22,
3316:9, 3317:1
lived [1] - 3308:14
lives [1] - 3222:8
living [3] - 3282:1, 3312:17, 3338:7
locate [1] - 3183:7
location [5] - 3192:14, 3194:11,
3230:1, 3243:5, 3288:21
locked [1] - 3321:20
look [48] - 3162:19, 3162:22, 3163:9,
3166:12, 3176:6, 3177:20, 3178:20,
3199:4, 3199:6, 3199:20, 3200:2,
3202:18, 3203:7, 3210:21, 3210:23,
3213:2, 3218:22, 3218:24, 3237:3,
3240:24, 3241:5, 3243:13, 3251:5,
3255:5, 3255:17, 3256:5, 3264:8,
3296:5, 3296:6, 3305:7, 3321:17,
3321:22, 3321:23, 3325:1, 3325:7,
3325:10, 3326:16, 3327:11, 3328:21,
3330:22, 3330:24, 3334:17, 3340:15,
3341:2, 3341:5, 3342:1, 3347:12,
3349:20
looked [2] - 3200:2, 3326:19
looking [18] - 3173:3, 3177:22,
3182:11, 3189:25, 3200:8, 3210:24,
3230:4, 3235:14, 3241:3, 3243:6,
3247:8, 3247:18, 3249:6, 3259:6,
3272:5, 3329:8, 3330:2, 3330:6
looks [5] - 3243:6, 3243:14, 3248:13,
3249:25, 3254:16
LORETTA [1] - 3151:15
lose [1] - 3309:4
lost [2] - 3201:2, 3311:2
loud [1] - 3300:7
Louie [14] - 3161:6, 3168:23, 3169:3,
3169:5, 3169:6, 3169:11, 3169:14,
3169:18, 3169:24, 3170:2, 3186:14,
3189:8, 3235:4, 3335:17
love [1] - 3203:9
low [1] - 3240:12
lower [3] - 3303:19, 3303:21, 3304:3
lunch [7] - 3251:2, 3255:19, 3257:22,
3258:16, 3348:8, 3349:5, 3349:6
Luncheon [1] - 3256:15
lunches [2] - 3250:14, 3250:23
lying [1] - 3202:9
LYNCH [1] - 3151:15
CSR
15
M
machine [1] - 3236:1
machinery [1] - 3208:11
magazine [1] - 3330:25
Majid [2] - 3214:18, 3214:21
major [3] - 3214:15, 3272:2, 3293:4
man [23] - 3158:3, 3159:11, 3161:8,
3162:2, 3162:5, 3212:20, 3222:8,
3230:10, 3230:12, 3230:21, 3231:6,
3232:1, 3232:15, 3236:17, 3236:24,
3237:8, 3242:11, 3243:3, 3247:5,
3276:24, 3277:10, 3289:14, 3301:17
Manhattan [1] - 3330:16
manner [1] - 3293:18
manpower [1] - 3268:1
map [12] - 3158:6, 3161:8, 3177:4,
3258:21, 3258:23, 3259:1, 3259:7,
3259:22, 3260:9, 3260:21, 3260:22,
3260:25
maps [1] - 3260:12
March [6] - 3184:9, 3184:13, 3199:18,
3199:23, 3206:14, 3265:20
mark [7] - 3198:22, 3210:18, 3231:11,
3306:8, 3306:14, 3306:15, 3309:18
marked [16] - 3154:10, 3204:5, 3241:7,
3241:9, 3241:15, 3241:17, 3279:9,
3290:20, 3306:6, 3310:7, 3327:7,
3334:16, 3338:15, 3339:23, 3340:20,
3346:22
marking [1] - 3322:9
marshal [1] - 3191:14
MARSHALL [1] - 3151:16
Marshall [1] - 3152:17
martyr [2] - 3323:24, 3324:7
masjid [3] - 3192:13, 3193:6, 3218:6
Masjid [2] - 3217:19, 3231:7
Masood [6] - 3322:5, 3322:16, 3323:5,
3323:23, 3324:9, 3324:13
Masood's [1] - 3261:19
Massood [5] - 3336:8, 3337:18,
3339:4, 3339:7, 3340:6
material [5] - 3192:3, 3201:16,
3222:11, 3306:7, 3306:18
materials [1] - 3328:11
matter [22] - 3160:18, 3168:7, 3173:10,
3177:7, 3177:20, 3202:3, 3211:13,
3212:8, 3220:23, 3224:4, 3230:4,
3237:18, 3238:6, 3266:25, 3283:18,
3293:21, 3303:23, 3332:16, 3339:9,
3346:9, 3352:5
matters [7] - 3162:23, 3196:18,
3251:25, 3288:24, 3289:2, 3333:3,
3348:21
mean [27] - 3153:10, 3168:9, 3172:21,
3175:7, 3177:9, 3193:18, 3194:11,
3194:20, 3202:3, 3212:19, 3239:25,
3267:7, 3267:9, 3267:13, 3269:16,
3269:19, 3280:12, 3281:16, 3286:14,
GR
3297:16, 3297:22, 3317:12, 3328:1,

3346:11, 3347:1, 3351:18
meaning [11] - 3181:24, 3182:1,
3205:24, 3206:9, 3211:15, 3238:16,
3278:6, 3297:17, 3298:25, 3323:20
means [9] - 3154:11, 3227:13,
3267:15, 3270:22, 3286:15, 3286:17,
3311:14, 3332:1, 3337:12
meant [6] - 3166:25, 3210:17,
3280:21, 3297:23, 3347:6, 3350:15
mechanical [1] - 3152:4
media [2] - 3218:22, 3349:21
meet [13] - 3218:10, 3230:6, 3238:9,
3245:2, 3275:3, 3275:15, 3276:10,
3277:17, 3277:20, 3278:6, 3278:11,
3278:18, 3278:23
meeting [40] - 3167:17, 3167:21,
3167:24, 3168:5, 3168:8, 3168:13,
3168:17, 3168:20, 3168:22, 3169:4,
3169:7, 3169:16, 3170:7, 3170:11,
3170:13, 3171:2, 3178:6, 3188:18,
3222:15, 3229:1, 3229:6, 3229:18,
3229:19, 3229:22, 3229:25, 3230:3,
3230:9, 3230:18, 3232:10, 3234:9,
3234:10, 3259:21, 3259:22, 3261:2,
3261:9, 3326:20, 3327:3, 3327:18,
3328:1
meets [1] - 3278:5
member [1] - 3160:10
members [3] - 3192:17, 3241:1,
3349:19
memory [15] - 3184:18, 3232:8,
3256:6, 3259:12, 3259:16, 3289:17,
3290:6, 3327:6, 3331:13, 3333:20,
3333:21, 3335:24, 3338:20, 3339:22,
3341:25
men [1] - 3290:18
mentally [1] - 3346:15
mention [9] - 3182:13, 3188:17,
3213:6, 3213:20, 3325:18, 3331:16,
3334:1, 3335:8, 3335:14
mentioned [48] - 3162:23, 3167:25,
3168:16, 3169:19, 3170:13, 3172:4,
3172:24, 3174:9, 3175:1, 3176:8,
3177:10, 3177:11, 3177:12, 3178:10,
3182:16, 3188:16, 3188:18, 3188:20,
3188:25, 3205:3, 3205:19, 3215:11,
3216:7, 3217:19, 3239:10, 3239:11,
3252:11, 3266:3, 3269:14, 3272:7,
3274:7, 3278:17, 3281:20, 3284:21,
3299:4, 3324:5, 3325:22, 3331:6,
3331:10, 3331:14, 3332:21, 3332:24,
3333:13, 3334:5, 3334:12, 3335:16
mentioning [6] - 3216:20, 3217:3,
3268:13, 3272:7, 3330:22, 3333:14
mentions [5] - 3173:2, 3181:16,
3332:18, 3332:20, 3332:22
mercy [1] - 3304:20
mere [1] - 3222:20
merely [1] - 3191:2
OCR
CM
CRR
message [1] - 3185:23

MESSINA [162] - 3151:24, 3153:2,
3153:9, 3153:25, 3155:13, 3155:15,
3155:19, 3156:11, 3156:16, 3157:1,
3157:3, 3157:7, 3157:10, 3157:14,
3157:17, 3159:17, 3159:25, 3160:15,
3160:21, 3161:5, 3163:5, 3163:12,
3163:16, 3163:23, 3165:6, 3165:12,
3175:4, 3175:8, 3178:12, 3178:19,
3179:2, 3179:5, 3179:8, 3179:10,
3179:13, 3179:17, 3179:24, 3180:3,
3180:7, 3180:16, 3181:13, 3184:12,
3184:21, 3185:1, 3185:3, 3188:2,
3190:15, 3190:22, 3195:10, 3196:7,
3196:19, 3197:2, 3197:5, 3197:10,
3197:12, 3197:23, 3198:2, 3198:9,
3198:22, 3198:25, 3200:12, 3201:17,
3201:21, 3201:24, 3202:17, 3202:24,
3203:15, 3207:3, 3208:2, 3208:6,
3208:15, 3208:18, 3208:20, 3208:25,
3210:2, 3210:18, 3211:16, 3215:14,
3215:17, 3218:12, 3218:14, 3219:14,
3219:17, 3220:2, 3220:9, 3221:5,
3221:8, 3222:23, 3223:6, 3223:15,
3223:24, 3224:2, 3224:7, 3225:18,
3225:21, 3226:3, 3226:6, 3226:9,
3226:12, 3226:18, 3227:18, 3228:4,
3228:24, 3231:11, 3234:7, 3238:21,
3240:14, 3241:7, 3241:11, 3241:13,
3241:19, 3242:5, 3246:5, 3246:10,
3246:15, 3247:4, 3248:1, 3248:10,
3248:15, 3249:10, 3249:16, 3249:22,
3250:5, 3255:14, 3257:7, 3258:8,
3258:15, 3260:2, 3262:12, 3262:21,
3268:4, 3272:22, 3275:18, 3277:23,
3278:2, 3279:8, 3282:15, 3286:25,
3290:20, 3290:24, 3291:1, 3292:5,
3292:10, 3292:12, 3292:14, 3292:25,
3293:6, 3294:4, 3294:13, 3294:23,
3295:1, 3295:8, 3295:17, 3296:2,
3296:3, 3297:20, 3299:20, 3305:2,
3307:9, 3353:8, 3353:10, 3353:12
mESSINA [1] - 3199:3
Messina [21] - 3153:3, 3153:7, 3154:8,
3158:21, 3158:25, 3165:5, 3179:1,
3196:12, 3204:14, 3219:9, 3220:7,
3228:19, 3248:19, 3249:14, 3250:1,
3256:9, 3258:6, 3258:7, 3306:18,
3307:7, 3315:20
met [16] - 3170:21, 3197:1, 3215:11,
3229:20, 3232:14, 3241:6, 3242:20,
3242:21, 3275:14, 3276:11, 3279:1,
3324:18, 3325:13, 3326:6, 3326:7,
3326:8
methodology [1] - 3282:25
microphone [1] - 3179:4
mid [2] - 3218:15, 3349:7
mid-afternoon [1] - 3349:7
middle [1] - 3284:4
might [18] - 3153:7, 3153:13, 3153:16,
CSR
16
3194:6, 3218:23, 3219:11, 3231:10,
3234:10, 3251:7, 3251:9, 3255:23,
3279:1, 3293:7, 3304:2, 3305:8,
3306:10, 3344:15, 3351:10
MILDRED [1] - 3151:21
Mildred [1] - 3152:23
mILLER [1] - 3272:20
MILLER [27] - 3151:16, 3196:11,
3202:23, 3203:4, 3252:14, 3253:13,
3253:22, 3254:25, 3255:3, 3255:10,
3273:3, 3279:6, 3279:17, 3281:15,
3284:1, 3285:20, 3286:3, 3286:21,
3293:7, 3336:23, 3343:16, 3344:5,
3345:9, 3350:22, 3351:5, 3351:8,
3351:21
Miller [1] - 3152:17
mind [19] - 3155:10, 3159:22, 3160:3,
3160:8, 3179:10, 3187:8, 3188:14,
3218:18, 3221:10, 3222:7, 3223:1,
3224:2, 3224:17, 3224:25, 3227:12,
3251:1, 3251:10, 3254:22, 3344:21
mine [3] - 3205:23, 3315:12, 3317:10
mini [1] - 3247:1
minimal [1] - 3295:12
minute [2] - 3219:3, 3267:2
minutes [9] - 3156:10, 3219:21,
3255:21, 3292:3, 3292:18, 3293:6,
3305:19, 3305:21
misinterpreting [1] - 3279:16
Miss [2] - 3343:23, 3346:2
mission [23] - 3331:3, 3331:9,
3331:11, 3331:15, 3331:19, 3331:25,
3332:3, 3332:6, 3332:9, 3332:13,
3332:15, 3332:16, 3332:20, 3332:22,
3333:13, 3333:23, 3335:8, 3335:10,
3336:18, 3336:21, 3336:25
misstated [1] - 3158:21
mistake [2] - 3202:8, 3310:15
mistrial [1] - 3197:18
misunderstanding [1] - 3280:18
Mohammed [100] - 3167:10, 3172:2,
3173:1, 3177:5, 3177:22, 3177:24,
3177:25, 3178:2, 3178:4, 3184:5,
3184:6, 3184:8, 3186:2, 3189:8,
3189:10, 3192:4, 3193:5, 3193:10,
3193:21, 3195:17, 3195:18, 3198:15,
3204:17, 3204:18, 3205:18, 3206:6,
3206:15, 3206:22, 3207:2, 3211:25,
3212:2, 3212:10, 3213:16, 3213:18,
3213:19, 3214:20, 3214:22, 3215:3,
3215:6, 3215:7, 3217:11, 3229:1,
3229:7, 3229:20, 3229:22, 3230:4,
3230:8, 3230:15, 3230:18, 3230:19,
3230:24, 3231:1, 3232:1, 3236:17,
3236:20, 3236:23, 3236:24, 3237:9,
3237:15, 3237:16, 3237:19, 3237:21,
3238:2, 3238:12, 3258:24, 3260:14,
3260:22, 3260:23, 3267:19, 3267:22,
3270:12, 3270:15, 3272:5, 3274:18,
3274:19, 3275:7, 3275:8, 3275:25,
GR
3276:17, 3276:18, 3277:2, 3277:5,

3277:13, 3278:7, 3281:22, 3281:23,
3282:5, 3283:16, 3284:20, 3325:19,
3337:19, 3338:2, 3339:21, 3340:2,
3340:13, 3346:8
Mohammed's [5] - 3173:3, 3205:4,
3205:22, 3215:11, 3277:7
moment [20] - 3153:4, 3157:14,
3171:19, 3180:1, 3181:11, 3185:3,
3188:3, 3198:9, 3260:12, 3265:9,
3268:4, 3273:6, 3274:13, 3282:2,
3283:25, 3291:1, 3302:25, 3303:25,
3304:5, 3304:6
moments [1] - 3308:2
Monday [1] - 3252:8
money [27] - 3214:1, 3215:1, 3230:13,
3231:6, 3231:7, 3236:18, 3236:25,
3237:25, 3276:20, 3276:21, 3277:7,
3277:9, 3277:14, 3278:17, 3283:14,
3289:6, 3289:7, 3289:13, 3289:14,
3294:11, 3312:21, 3314:1, 3315:18,
3315:21, 3316:25, 3317:3, 3318:7
monies [4] - 3193:6, 3248:4, 3250:7,
3316:24
monitors [4] - 3241:19, 3241:20,
3242:7, 3251:12
monster [1] - 3344:1
month [6] - 3312:13, 3316:2, 3316:13,
3337:14, 3337:20
monthly [1] - 3318:3
months [6] - 3174:13, 3265:1,
3265:23, 3308:9, 3309:7
moot [1] - 3252:21
mooted [2] - 3155:3, 3155:9
morally [1] - 3157:20
morning [29] - 3152:11, 3152:16,
3152:20, 3152:22, 3152:25, 3153:2,
3153:14, 3156:12, 3158:25, 3164:4,
3164:8, 3164:10, 3164:23, 3164:24,
3165:15, 3165:16, 3183:21, 3184:9,
3184:13, 3201:5, 3206:14, 3206:21,
3218:15, 3221:9, 3255:4, 3255:25,
3348:9, 3349:14, 3350:16
Moslem [1] - 3195:15
moslems [1] - 3193:22
mosque [56] - 3192:19, 3193:14,
3193:25, 3194:2, 3194:3, 3194:5,
3194:7, 3194:17, 3194:18, 3195:5,
3195:6, 3197:22, 3213:25, 3214:2,
3214:7, 3214:14, 3214:16, 3214:23,
3215:2, 3217:18, 3217:21, 3217:24,
3218:3, 3231:24, 3236:18, 3236:25,
3243:9, 3246:18, 3246:19, 3246:22,
3246:23, 3246:25, 3247:2, 3247:7,
3247:10, 3247:11, 3247:16, 3247:20,
3247:22, 3247:24, 3248:4, 3248:7,
3248:8, 3248:16, 3248:17, 3248:20,
3249:1, 3249:4, 3249:5, 3249:8,
3249:23, 3249:24, 3249:25, 3250:2,
3323:9
OCR
CM
CRR
Mosque [1] - 3193:20

mosques [2] - 3195:2, 3250:7
most [12] - 3159:11, 3179:11, 3200:4,
3200:6, 3214:5, 3244:19, 3281:7,
3327:14, 3331:5, 3338:16, 3340:21,
3346:23
mostly [1] - 3226:20
mother's [1] - 3261:20
motion [8] - 3154:22, 3154:24,
3154:25, 3155:9, 3156:3, 3159:1,
3220:17, 3223:22
motions [1] - 3220:19
motivation [1] - 3296:15
mouth [1] - 3234:3
move [13] - 3173:17, 3183:25,
3189:10, 3203:17, 3231:7, 3233:25,
3236:7, 3236:25, 3254:23, 3294:24,
3298:9, 3345:7, 3348:7
moved [6] - 3155:2, 3155:15, 3155:23,
3159:3, 3239:3, 3293:14
moves [1] - 3223:22
moving [3] - 3154:13, 3318:4, 3350:20
MR [98] - 3152:16, 3153:18, 3154:5,
3154:12, 3154:18, 3154:21, 3155:18,
3157:6, 3157:9, 3158:20, 3159:24,
3160:12, 3163:7, 3163:24, 3164:2,
3164:18, 3164:19, 3166:19, 3169:21,
3171:14, 3189:12, 3189:22, 3196:11,
3197:11, 3199:25, 3201:9, 3201:22,
3202:13, 3202:23, 3203:4, 3205:13,
3208:23, 3214:9, 3217:4, 3220:12,
3222:16, 3223:19, 3224:10, 3225:6,
3227:13, 3228:7, 3228:15, 3228:16,
3237:6, 3237:11, 3241:21, 3241:24,
3245:4, 3246:13, 3248:14, 3251:19,
3252:14, 3253:13, 3253:22, 3254:11,
3254:25, 3255:3, 3255:10, 3256:2,
3257:5, 3258:1, 3258:4, 3264:19,
3265:2, 3266:8, 3272:20, 3273:3,
3279:6, 3279:17, 3281:15, 3284:1,
3285:20, 3286:3, 3286:21, 3290:23,
3292:22, 3293:7, 3294:7, 3294:25,
3299:13, 3299:18, 3301:1, 3304:13,
3305:21, 3307:14, 3307:16, 3336:23,
3341:15, 3342:4, 3343:2, 3343:11,
3343:16, 3344:5, 3345:9, 3350:22,
3351:5, 3351:8, 3351:21
MS [195] - 3152:22, 3153:2, 3153:9,
3153:25, 3155:13, 3155:15, 3155:19,
3156:11, 3156:16, 3157:1, 3157:3,
3157:7, 3157:10, 3157:14, 3157:17,
3159:17, 3159:25, 3160:15, 3160:21,
3161:5, 3163:5, 3163:12, 3163:16,
3163:23, 3164:20, 3165:6, 3165:12,
3174:3, 3175:4, 3175:8, 3178:12,
3178:19, 3179:2, 3179:5, 3179:8,
3179:10, 3179:13, 3179:17, 3179:24,
3180:2, 3180:3, 3180:7, 3180:16,
3181:13, 3184:12, 3184:21, 3185:1,
3185:3, 3188:2, 3190:15, 3190:22,
CSR
17
3195:10, 3195:19, 3196:2, 3196:7,
3196:19, 3197:2, 3197:5, 3197:10,
3197:12, 3197:17, 3197:23, 3198:2,
3198:9, 3198:22, 3198:25, 3200:12,
3201:5, 3201:17, 3201:21, 3201:24,
3202:17, 3202:24, 3203:15, 3207:3,
3208:2, 3208:6, 3208:15, 3208:18,
3208:20, 3208:25, 3210:2, 3210:18,
3211:16, 3215:14, 3215:17, 3216:12,
3218:14, 3219:14, 3219:17, 3220:2,
3220:9, 3221:5, 3221:8, 3222:23,
3223:6, 3223:15, 3223:24, 3224:2,
3224:7, 3225:18, 3225:21, 3226:3,
3226:6, 3226:9, 3226:12, 3226:18,
3227:18, 3228:4, 3228:17, 3228:24,
3231:11, 3234:7, 3238:21, 3240:14,
3241:7, 3241:11, 3241:13, 3241:19,
3242:5, 3246:5, 3246:10, 3246:15,
3247:4, 3248:1, 3248:10, 3248:15,
3249:10, 3249:16, 3249:22, 3250:5,
3254:4, 3254:9, 3255:14, 3255:20,
3257:7, 3258:3, 3258:8, 3258:15,
3260:2, 3262:12, 3262:21, 3268:4,
3272:22, 3275:18, 3277:23, 3278:2,
3279:8, 3282:15, 3286:25, 3290:20,
3290:24, 3291:1, 3292:5, 3292:10,
3292:12, 3292:14, 3292:25, 3293:6,
3294:4, 3294:13, 3294:23, 3295:1,
3295:8, 3295:17, 3296:2, 3296:3,
3297:20, 3299:20, 3305:2, 3305:25,
3306:4, 3306:14, 3306:17, 3307:1,
3307:5, 3307:9, 3307:15, 3307:24,
3309:16, 3310:10, 3317:13, 3319:2,
3343:5, 3343:14, 3344:20, 3345:6,
3346:4, 3347:22, 3351:14, 3351:20,
3353:8, 3353:10, 3353:12, 3353:14
mugged [2] - 3186:15, 3186:19
multiple [2] - 3292:23, 3294:21
munch [1] - 3349:13
murder [2] - 3294:19, 3301:16
Muslim [5] - 3216:22, 3244:3, 3245:3,
3330:14, 3337:7
Muslims [4] - 3223:8, 3268:18,
3268:25, 3323:20
must [4] - 3200:4, 3234:17, 3270:1,
3297:25
N
name [1] - 3300:2
named [10] - 3158:3, 3159:11,
3161:10, 3216:20, 3229:1, 3229:6,
3229:20, 3236:17, 3289:14, 3301:17
names [4] - 3177:8, 3189:2, 3189:3,
3290:10
Napoli [22] - 3161:6, 3168:23, 3169:3,
3169:5, 3169:6, 3169:11, 3169:14,
3169:18, 3169:24, 3170:2, 3186:14,
3188:21, 3188:22, 3188:23, 3189:2,
3189:8, 3235:4, 3254:6, 3254:8,
GR
3254:12, 3335:18, 3335:21

Narcotics [4] - 3287:1, 3287:7, 3290:1,
3294:20
narcotics [12] - 3293:17, 3296:25,
3297:1, 3297:3, 3297:9, 3297:23,
3298:5, 3298:13, 3298:21, 3300:1,
3300:24, 3308:3
natural [2] - 3237:16, 3328:7
nature [2] - 3225:23, 3235:11
near [6] - 3174:13, 3186:2, 3186:3,
3196:17, 3319:8, 3322:24
necessarily [3] - 3197:22, 3222:22,
3225:11
necessities [1] - 3316:1
need [36] - 3156:7, 3156:18, 3162:1,
3162:2, 3163:18, 3164:13, 3178:9,
3178:19, 3183:11, 3196:24, 3197:19,
3223:9, 3246:20, 3248:21, 3249:12,
3249:24, 3250:6, 3251:12, 3252:8,
3252:10, 3253:11, 3253:21, 3255:15,
3255:16, 3266:13, 3267:6, 3295:10,
3299:7, 3339:1, 3346:19, 3348:21,
3350:12, 3350:23, 3350:25, 3351:6,
3351:23
needed [18] - 3157:4, 3172:13,
3172:25, 3173:6, 3173:13, 3176:14,
3182:3, 3182:4, 3248:16, 3281:23,
3325:19, 3325:20, 3329:9, 3329:19,
3347:2, 3347:9
needing [3] - 3176:21, 3177:1, 3231:6
needs [6] - 3154:3, 3161:16, 3163:14,
3183:11, 3266:3, 3348:15
Nero [8] - 3157:9, 3157:13, 3261:6,
3261:10, 3261:15, 3261:22, 3322:5,
3323:23
never [25] - 3156:3, 3169:3, 3171:9,
3175:20, 3177:24, 3178:9, 3188:15,
3215:11, 3247:13, 3264:15, 3266:20,
3266:21, 3267:2, 3283:12, 3304:22,
3308:14, 3317:25, 3326:1, 3326:3,
3327:18, 3329:14, 3329:18, 3329:24,
3330:1
new [5] - 3235:17, 3248:17, 3253:7,
3313:4, 3313:15
NEW [1] - 3151:1
New [35] - 3151:7, 3151:19, 3152:2,
3173:20, 3173:21, 3173:22, 3190:9,
3196:20, 3216:16, 3229:1, 3276:25,
3277:11, 3287:2, 3290:3, 3292:6,
3292:9, 3292:15, 3292:20, 3296:8,
3301:10, 3301:12, 3301:13, 3311:21,
3314:22, 3324:18, 3329:22, 3336:5,
3336:6, 3338:7, 3339:19, 3339:20,
3340:2, 3340:17, 3341:9, 3345:7
news [1] - 3163:16
next [36] - 3160:22, 3161:12, 3161:24,
3166:4, 3171:4, 3183:22, 3187:12,
3189:9, 3195:22, 3197:25, 3200:16,
3203:19, 3207:7, 3209:3, 3210:13,
3211:16, 3219:22, 3221:12, 3221:20,
OCR
CM
CRR
3234:16, 3245:7, 3253:19, 3254:17,

3254:18, 3256:16, 3271:11, 3291:4,
3295:19, 3318:9, 3326:24, 3334:22,
3335:3, 3342:6, 3345:13, 3348:2,
3348:23
nice [2] - 3164:9, 3348:10
night [1] - 3278:4
nine [6] - 3161:18, 3178:23, 3179:8,
3179:23, 3180:4, 3181:13
NKRUMAH [10] - 3151:24, 3163:7,
3164:19, 3220:12, 3222:16, 3225:6,
3228:16, 3254:11, 3258:4, 3307:16
Nkrumah [4] - 3153:4, 3220:11,
3257:6, 3257:9
nobody [3] - 3235:4, 3246:21, 3276:6
none [3] - 3154:6, 3154:8, 3259:9
nosy [2] - 3161:9, 3222:15
note [2] - 3220:16, 3344:17
notes [2] - 3213:24, 3252:10
nothing [15] - 3181:8, 3186:22,
3197:22, 3205:11, 3208:13, 3216:17,
3225:10, 3234:20, 3235:20, 3247:21,
3248:9, 3272:14, 3273:25, 3286:9,
3292:3
noticed [1] - 3161:8
novelty [1] - 3191:25
November [2] - 3288:9, 3314:6
number [15] - 3152:13, 3155:1,
3159:2, 3159:20, 3208:3, 3219:21,
3251:25, 3290:23, 3290:25, 3292:25,
3294:7, 3306:7, 3337:25, 3338:4,
3339:16
numbers [2] - 3294:15, 3296:20
numerous [1] - 3184:16
Nur [34] - 3167:10, 3205:21, 3211:25,
3212:2, 3212:3, 3212:5, 3212:11,
3212:13, 3212:15, 3212:18, 3212:21,
3274:13, 3274:16, 3274:20, 3275:7,
3275:19, 3276:4, 3276:6, 3276:19,
3276:23, 3277:5, 3277:6, 3277:17,
3277:23, 3277:25, 3278:3, 3278:5,
3278:14, 3278:16, 3278:19, 3281:18,
3282:19, 3283:17
Nur's [2] - 3277:15, 3282:4
nuts [1] - 3348:11
O
o'clock [12] - 3151:10, 3251:11,
3251:15, 3345:6, 3348:6, 3348:18,
3349:2, 3349:8, 3349:13, 3349:23,
3350:15, 3352:4
oath [4] - 3165:1, 3228:21, 3258:12,
3307:20
object [2] - 3155:12, 3227:17
objecting [1] - 3343:21
objection [40] - 3166:19, 3169:21,
3171:14, 3174:3, 3189:12, 3189:22,
3195:19, 3196:1, 3198:1, 3199:25,
CSR
18
3204:2, 3204:7, 3205:13, 3214:9,
3216:12, 3217:4, 3237:6, 3237:11,
3241:24, 3245:4, 3264:19, 3265:2,
3266:8, 3272:20, 3273:3, 3279:6,
3279:17, 3281:15, 3284:1, 3284:5,
3285:20, 3286:3, 3286:21, 3297:20,
3299:13, 3299:18, 3301:1, 3304:13,
3336:23, 3341:15
objections [1] - 3252:20
obligation [1] - 3294:4
obtained [1] - 3212:19
obviate [1] - 3350:23
obviously [3] - 3158:16, 3252:9,
3293:5
occasion [7] - 3165:21, 3178:8,
3268:24, 3283:6, 3283:7, 3285:18,
3330:10
occasions [7] - 3175:22, 3234:8,
3264:17, 3315:19, 3317:9, 3339:16,
3339:18
occur [1] - 3265:4
occurred [5] - 3152:10, 3203:1,
3257:2, 3261:17, 3265:1
October [1] - 3337:22
OF [3] - 3151:1, 3151:4, 3151:12
offense [8] - 3289:25, 3306:22,
3309:8, 3309:21, 3309:23, 3310:1,
3311:3, 3311:7
offensive [1] - 3226:22
offered [1] - 3328:14
offering [3] - 3211:23, 3213:5, 3213:11
offers [1] - 3344:11
Office [1] - 3287:2
office [3] - 3167:1, 3294:21, 3350:24
officer [9] - 3312:10, 3312:14, 3313:2,
3313:20, 3313:23, 3313:25, 3314:1,
3314:2, 3314:5
often [1] - 3335:20
oils [3] - 3329:5, 3330:3, 3330:11
old [2] - 3244:21, 3249:25
once [10] - 3169:9, 3234:18, 3235:18,
3247:13, 3252:20, 3253:13, 3270:20,
3281:4, 3337:24, 3350:6
one [76] - 3153:22, 3154:10, 3159:20,
3162:12, 3162:13, 3163:1, 3165:21,
3167:17, 3170:23, 3175:22, 3179:16,
3180:1, 3180:14, 3182:5, 3185:3,
3193:24, 3198:9, 3206:7, 3212:3,
3214:24, 3215:13, 3219:17, 3221:5,
3221:8, 3222:19, 3224:12, 3235:12,
3242:2, 3242:13, 3242:14, 3242:15,
3242:21, 3242:22, 3242:23, 3249:24,
3253:2, 3254:11, 3256:7, 3261:3,
3262:1, 3262:14, 3264:5, 3265:5,
3267:16, 3267:19, 3267:21, 3268:4,
3268:6, 3270:5, 3270:6, 3272:22,
3274:19, 3278:18, 3284:22, 3285:18,
3288:21, 3289:22, 3291:1, 3292:25,
3295:16, 3318:5, 3321:3, 3329:2,
3330:10, 3332:23, 3337:7, 3338:11,
GR
3340:22, 3340:25, 3341:2, 3341:11,

3348:4, 3348:10, 3351:5
ones [6] - 3153:14, 3241:6, 3297:12,
3297:24, 3319:14, 3351:3
open [7] - 3191:4, 3196:18, 3204:1,
3210:1, 3218:18, 3251:1, 3251:10
Open [3] - 3250:16, 3295:18, 3346:1
opening [1] - 3197:15
operating [1] - 3274:9
opinion [3] - 3221:16, 3221:22, 3279:5
opinions [2] - 3161:22, 3218:18
oppose [1] - 3223:22
opposed [2] - 3167:14, 3182:7
order [6] - 3172:13, 3230:13, 3271:7,
3281:25, 3298:12, 3302:22
originally [6] - 3155:15, 3155:16,
3159:4, 3179:18, 3211:21, 3220:15
otherwise [2] - 3218:23, 3255:16
ought [2] - 3252:21, 3351:22
outs [1] - 3240:5
overlap [1] - 3248:3
overruled [2] - 3169:22, 3297:21
overseeing [1] - 3194:23
own [14] - 3158:11, 3160:2, 3160:7,
3172:4, 3177:12, 3184:10, 3206:13,
3224:23, 3225:1, 3233:4, 3269:18,
3272:18, 3337:25, 3344:14
owned [2] - 3315:13, 3329:8
P
p.m [2] - 3199:17, 3199:23
pace [1] - 3351:9
pack [1] - 3291:2
package [2] - 3289:4, 3289:5
packaged [1] - 3289:5
packages [1] - 3289:8
packing [3] - 3331:5, 3333:9, 3333:11
page [66] - 3155:4, 3155:6, 3155:17,
3155:21, 3159:1, 3161:17, 3162:17,
3178:23, 3179:6, 3179:8, 3179:15,
3179:23, 3180:2, 3180:4, 3180:7,
3180:24, 3181:13, 3185:4, 3185:6,
3187:12, 3190:23, 3195:22, 3197:25,
3199:7, 3200:16, 3203:19, 3207:7,
3215:17, 3219:22, 3221:11, 3223:2,
3223:5, 3223:6, 3226:18, 3226:24,
3227:19, 3227:21, 3245:7, 3256:16,
3262:15, 3264:8, 3271:11, 3279:11,
3290:24, 3291:1, 3291:4, 3292:18,
3295:16, 3295:19, 3296:6, 3299:23,
3300:4, 3310:7, 3318:9, 3321:23,
3322:8, 3334:18, 3334:22, 3335:1,
3335:3, 3340:22, 3342:1, 3342:6,
3345:13, 3348:23
page) [1] - 3209:3
pages [7] - 3156:2, 3156:6, 3159:3,
3159:4, 3159:19, 3159:24, 3220:8
paging [1] - 3210:23
OCR
CM
CRR
paid [7] - 3277:7, 3277:10, 3315:21,

3315:24, 3317:14, 3317:25, 3318:2
painting [1] - 3216:23
Pakistan [2] - 3231:8, 3237:1
paper [5] - 3237:3, 3239:24, 3240:2,
3340:23, 3340:24
paragraph [13] - 3237:4, 3280:24,
3300:5, 3334:17, 3334:19, 3338:16,
3340:16, 3340:21, 3341:5, 3342:2,
3346:23, 3347:12
paragraphs [3] - 3327:13, 3335:3,
3339:24
parenthetical [1] - 3221:19
part [55] - 3154:19, 3154:24, 3156:5,
3156:12, 3157:7, 3157:15, 3157:23,
3158:2, 3160:16, 3160:18, 3160:19,
3160:24, 3162:8, 3168:19, 3178:14,
3180:10, 3180:17, 3192:6, 3196:17,
3197:13, 3200:6, 3200:12, 3203:15,
3215:14, 3222:5, 3222:19, 3223:11,
3225:21, 3226:1, 3226:3, 3233:7,
3246:7, 3246:11, 3254:17, 3262:22,
3266:13, 3266:22, 3267:6, 3268:23,
3273:21, 3284:18, 3298:10, 3300:25,
3301:19, 3303:8, 3309:25, 3310:3,
3314:19, 3315:1, 3320:8, 3343:13,
3343:17
participants [1] - 3220:22
particular [17] - 3170:19, 3170:20,
3194:7, 3198:10, 3220:18, 3220:19,
3221:5, 3221:8, 3229:17, 3240:10,
3244:19, 3262:22, 3264:2, 3284:8,
3284:11, 3288:7, 3332:18
particularly [2] - 3253:15, 3344:14
parties [11] - 3160:25, 3164:16,
3200:10, 3220:4, 3224:8, 3224:20,
3228:13, 3253:4, 3257:23, 3293:25,
3307:12
partly [1] - 3336:17
parts [5] - 3155:15, 3263:22, 3301:12,
3329:8, 3329:19
party [3] - 3159:12, 3224:14, 3224:24
pass [1] - 3326:15
passage [1] - 3222:2
passed [1] - 3265:24
passport [6] - 3174:12, 3239:21,
3338:24, 3339:8, 3339:9
past [3] - 3155:6, 3304:5, 3351:14
pause [3] - 3268:5, 3327:16, 3334:21
Pause [11] - 3224:19, 3231:18,
3240:16, 3241:23, 3242:10, 3335:2,
3338:18, 3340:1, 3341:6, 3346:25,
3347:15
pay [8] - 3276:21, 3276:22, 3276:25,
3289:3, 3304:16, 3315:11, 3317:21
paying [2] - 3161:9, 3316:6
pen [2] - 3239:24, 3240:2
pending [1] - 3173:19
People [2] - 3153:10, 3295:4
people [49] - 3158:8, 3172:24, 3188:3,
CSR
19
3188:23, 3189:3, 3193:11, 3193:21,
3194:6, 3194:12, 3194:23, 3194:25,
3196:13, 3196:14, 3214:21, 3214:24,
3221:14, 3222:4, 3223:7, 3223:8,
3234:10, 3237:25, 3238:5, 3239:23,
3240:20, 3240:23, 3240:24, 3241:5,
3247:7, 3247:9, 3247:18, 3263:8,
3266:13, 3267:6, 3267:15, 3272:9,
3276:14, 3276:15, 3296:24, 3297:11,
3297:15, 3297:17, 3315:4, 3315:12,
3315:16, 3320:23, 3331:22, 3334:6,
3335:12
peoples [1] - 3314:25
per [4] - 3270:22, 3297:25, 3303:25,
3316:13
percent [3] - 3158:18, 3170:12,
3289:21
perfect [1] - 3320:18
perfectly [2] - 3223:24, 3256:6
perfume [3] - 3329:5, 3330:3, 3330:11
perhaps [8] - 3162:21, 3186:4,
3252:22, 3253:23, 3255:4, 3306:12,
3330:19, 3351:23
period [3] - 3260:20, 3324:18, 3333:5
permission [1] - 3262:12
permit [1] - 3159:14
person [25] - 3160:24, 3161:9,
3181:15, 3182:25, 3195:4, 3198:7,
3198:8, 3215:4, 3215:7, 3215:8,
3216:16, 3229:1, 3234:13, 3234:15,
3237:10, 3243:20, 3243:21, 3243:23,
3275:1, 3276:17, 3296:22, 3320:21,
3326:9, 3332:19
person's [2] - 3224:23, 3225:1
personal [5] - 3174:10, 3174:17,
3282:18, 3284:23, 3296:23
personally [1] - 3212:25
persuade [2] - 3303:19, 3304:2
pertain [1] - 3225:7
pertaining [6] - 3181:5, 3220:17,
3220:19, 3220:24, 3275:10, 3278:15
pertains [1] - 3267:14
pertinent [1] - 3246:7
perusing) [1] - 3210:22
ph [2] - 3211:10, 3214:18
philosophical [1] - 3260:5
philosophically [1] - 3157:20
philosophy [3] - 3268:17, 3268:24,
3273:2
phone [15] - 3182:19, 3183:13,
3183:14, 3183:15, 3183:23, 3185:23,
3189:18, 3199:7, 3199:16, 3199:18,
3214:11, 3251:3, 3283:21, 3305:9,
3322:1
phones [2] - 3218:20, 3218:23
photo [5] - 3240:20, 3240:21, 3241:4,
3241:21, 3242:5
photograph [3] - 3242:1, 3246:9,
3325:4
photographs [2] - 3246:3, 3246:4
GR
physical [1] - 3249:18

physically [1] - 3346:15
pick [9] - 3238:12, 3238:14, 3288:19,
3288:22, 3292:14, 3292:20, 3296:10,
3314:22, 3328:10
picked [7] - 3177:8, 3239:13, 3239:16,
3290:3, 3294:10, 3296:7, 3333:16
picking [7] - 3315:8, 3315:15,
3328:17, 3328:25, 3329:2, 3329:4,
3329:5
picture [3] - 3242:12, 3246:12,
3246:13
pictures [3] - 3205:21, 3282:17,
3282:18
piece [2] - 3272:22, 3306:6
pin [1] - 3279:22
pinpoint [1] - 3260:24
pistols [1] - 3301:20
place [20] - 3185:25, 3186:19,
3192:13, 3192:14, 3192:15, 3193:12,
3194:11, 3201:1, 3204:1, 3208:1,
3218:5, 3233:6, 3237:25, 3247:12,
3247:16, 3250:14, 3277:5, 3284:24,
3288:1, 3347:7
placed [3] - 3154:23, 3238:5, 3312:5
places [2] - 3194:22, 3195:2
plan [20] - 3157:4, 3157:19, 3158:18,
3160:4, 3189:6, 3189:11, 3189:21,
3190:13, 3192:6, 3202:11, 3214:17,
3222:12, 3222:14, 3222:19, 3225:14,
3277:21, 3346:6, 3346:7, 3346:14
plane [2] - 3230:14, 3335:12
planes [3] - 3166:18, 3334:7, 3334:8
planning [2] - 3324:20, 3327:24
plans [2] - 3217:8, 3248:8
play [26] - 3157:5, 3178:14, 3179:14,
3183:16, 3185:1, 3187:3, 3190:22,
3193:16, 3200:12, 3201:3, 3208:8,
3215:14, 3215:18, 3220:7, 3252:7,
3254:18, 3262:12, 3262:16, 3263:23,
3267:22, 3269:17, 3271:9, 3272:22,
3279:8, 3321:8, 3321:21
played [14] - 3191:11, 3192:1, 3192:9,
3193:17, 3195:12, 3207:4, 3215:20,
3216:4, 3216:19, 3217:7, 3217:14,
3217:22, 3218:13, 3249:8
playing [4] - 3187:9, 3195:11,
3211:17, 3227:24
plays [33] - 3179:22, 3180:6, 3180:9,
3180:18, 3181:1, 3181:14, 3181:20,
3182:12, 3182:24, 3183:19, 3185:7,
3186:9, 3187:4, 3187:11, 3262:19,
3263:3, 3266:11, 3267:11, 3269:10,
3270:10, 3270:19, 3271:10, 3272:23,
3279:14, 3280:2, 3280:8, 3280:23,
3282:7, 3282:16, 3321:25, 3322:11,
3322:22, 3323:3
Plaza [3] - 3151:19, 3152:1, 3229:10
plea [15] - 3290:1, 3293:10, 3293:11,
3298:13, 3298:15, 3298:17, 3298:19,
OCR
CM
CRR
3298:20, 3298:21, 3299:9, 3299:17,

3299:21, 3299:25, 3300:19, 3300:23
plead [1] - 3333:18
pleaded [2] - 3289:25, 3295:5
pleading [1] - 3294:17
pled [1] - 3308:3
plenty [3] - 3293:8, 3324:10, 3324:13
plot [50] - 3161:1, 3161:7, 3172:23,
3174:1, 3174:16, 3174:19, 3177:8,
3181:8, 3184:7, 3198:5, 3206:10,
3212:10, 3214:4, 3216:17, 3217:24,
3247:21, 3248:5, 3263:6, 3264:13,
3264:16, 3267:18, 3267:20, 3267:23,
3268:1, 3268:8, 3268:13, 3268:18,
3269:4, 3270:17, 3272:8, 3275:10,
3280:16, 3281:19, 3281:21, 3281:24,
3282:3, 3282:5, 3284:15, 3284:20,
3285:19, 3332:6, 3335:8, 3336:20,
3343:7, 3343:13, 3343:17, 3347:2,
3347:5
plots [2] - 3268:25, 3299:10
plumber [1] - 3216:21
plumbing [1] - 3217:20
pocket [2] - 3233:19, 3233:23
podium [3] - 3163:20, 3165:6, 3258:7
point [73] - 3153:13, 3157:3, 3167:23,
3168:9, 3184:1, 3188:16, 3189:5,
3204:22, 3205:15, 3208:15, 3212:6,
3215:21, 3229:16, 3230:3, 3230:15,
3237:23, 3244:22, 3248:10, 3250:13,
3252:5, 3254:4, 3263:12, 3263:13,
3268:2, 3269:4, 3269:6, 3269:21,
3273:8, 3273:16, 3273:19, 3274:12,
3274:22, 3274:23, 3274:24, 3275:21,
3278:18, 3280:7, 3280:13, 3281:11,
3281:22, 3282:6, 3283:3, 3287:23,
3288:5, 3289:22, 3293:21, 3294:14,
3300:18, 3313:17, 3326:22, 3328:3,
3328:9, 3329:2, 3330:21, 3330:25,
3331:1, 3331:7, 3331:9, 3331:19,
3331:22, 3334:1, 3334:2, 3334:4,
3336:21, 3337:21, 3338:11, 3343:6,
3344:11, 3344:13, 3346:5, 3346:19,
3347:4, 3347:22
pointing [1] - 3272:1
points [5] - 3156:18, 3222:21,
3233:15, 3233:16, 3289:7
policy [2] - 3158:15, 3221:24
Ponytail [22] - 3336:10, 3339:16,
3340:3, 3340:6, 3340:8, 3340:12,
3341:8, 3341:12, 3343:3, 3343:10,
3343:11, 3343:12, 3343:14, 3343:19,
3343:20, 3343:25, 3344:6, 3344:8,
3344:10, 3344:19, 3344:22, 3345:5
portion [9] - 3155:23, 3155:24, 3220:6,
3220:21, 3221:3, 3221:5, 3221:9,
3262:16, 3322:25
portions [3] - 3154:25, 3155:2,
3220:16
position [10] - 3157:19, 3211:10,
CSR
20
3214:23, 3233:25, 3238:3, 3238:5,
3264:12, 3264:15, 3346:11, 3351:25
possession [3] - 3174:11, 3294:22,
3312:23
possible [4] - 3288:10, 3288:17,
3325:12, 3336:2
possibly [1] - 3254:12
posted [1] - 3242:8
posture [1] - 3268:18
potentially [1] - 3242:20
power [1] - 3214:23
prayer [7] - 3192:13, 3193:12,
3193:22, 3194:4, 3194:7, 3194:12,
3194:24
prayers [3] - 3193:19, 3194:22,
3323:10
praying [2] - 3195:1, 3323:17
preclude [7] - 3154:25, 3155:2,
3155:15, 3155:23, 3156:3, 3156:5,
3163:1
precluded [1] - 3159:16
predict [1] - 3351:9
prediction [1] - 3156:16
preface [1] - 3285:13
preparations [1] - 3346:17
prepare [2] - 3320:9, 3346:15
preparing [3] - 3316:5, 3319:3,
3319:12
presence [2] - 3260:13, 3301:25
present [22] - 3164:3, 3164:5, 3164:17,
3192:24, 3212:10, 3214:17, 3220:4,
3220:5, 3222:11, 3228:13, 3232:1,
3257:9, 3257:13, 3257:18, 3257:24,
3260:23, 3282:4, 3301:25, 3306:2,
3307:12, 3350:4
presented [11] - 3165:25, 3172:23,
3173:10, 3193:10, 3193:20, 3204:12,
3222:12, 3226:17, 3284:20, 3299:1,
3306:2
presumably [1] - 3159:2
pretty [2] - 3175:19, 3185:24
previously [4] - 3165:9, 3309:17,
3313:14, 3334:16
price [1] - 3330:11
printed [1] - 3248:23
prints [1] - 3177:23
prioritize [1] - 3266:16
prison [5] - 3309:5, 3309:12, 3309:13,
3310:23, 3310:24
probation [9] - 3312:10, 3312:13,
3313:1, 3313:20, 3313:23, 3313:25,
3314:1, 3314:2, 3314:5
problem [3] - 3179:12, 3250:8, 3341:4
problems [1] - 3329:17
procedure [1] - 3154:2
proceed [2] - 3165:13, 3352:1
proceeded [1] - 3206:11
Proceedings [1] - 3152:4
produced [1] - 3152:4
products [2] - 3180:11, 3180:14
GR
profitable [1] - 3330:22

program [1] - 3328:8
progress [1] - 3252:17
project [9] - 3192:18, 3198:13,
3226:19, 3246:22, 3247:10, 3247:14,
3249:4, 3249:19, 3267:1
projector [1] - 3242:9
projects [1] - 3249:10
promised [2] - 3304:21, 3308:13
promises [1] - 3298:18
promote [5] - 3161:13, 3193:4,
3193:12, 3247:6, 3247:7
promoting [1] - 3157:19
proper [1] - 3268:18
properly [5] - 3164:17, 3228:14,
3256:12, 3257:24, 3307:13
property [1] - 3248:22
proposed [1] - 3255:1
prosecuted [4] - 3286:13, 3286:15,
3286:20, 3311:7
prosecution [11] - 3286:17, 3286:18,
3299:12, 3300:9, 3300:14, 3300:24,
3303:2, 3303:4, 3303:8, 3309:25,
3316:19
Prosecution [1] - 3287:2
prosecutor [1] - 3297:3
Prosecutor's [1] - 3294:21
prosecutors [6] - 3297:2, 3297:9,
3298:3, 3298:4, 3298:5, 3298:7
protect [1] - 3195:4
protected [1] - 3325:21
prove [1] - 3159:22
proven [1] - 3224:22
provide [4] - 3267:22, 3267:25,
3268:12, 3279:4
provided [4] - 3158:25, 3162:21,
3219:10, 3253:5
provider [1] - 3195:18
providing [2] - 3230:13, 3343:16
publicize [1] - 3248:24
publish [1] - 3242:5
pull [4] - 3233:18, 3234:14, 3270:12,
3270:16
purchased [3] - 3217:24, 3217:25,
3218:6
purpose [1] - 3276:12
purposes [1] - 3191:14
pursue [1] - 3192:12
put [27] - 3154:9, 3154:13, 3154:14,
3154:23, 3155:10, 3155:16, 3156:1,
3159:7, 3163:14, 3174:12, 3179:19,
3198:10, 3201:21, 3201:22, 3205:6,
3227:18, 3237:25, 3248:11, 3249:11,
3253:6, 3270:5, 3283:14, 3290:1,
3306:3, 3340:3, 3340:5, 3340:14
putting [4] - 3155:20, 3201:18, 3306:7,
3306:8
OCR
CM
CRR
Q
Qaeda [8] - 3158:7, 3158:8, 3158:14,
3221:17, 3221:22, 3221:23, 3223:21,
3225:16
quality [2] - 3212:9, 3212:11
quantities [1] - 3301:10
quarter [1] - 3305:10
quarters [1] - 3216:8
Queens [1] - 3229:11
questioned [2] - 3254:13, 3325:3
questioning [2] - 3211:17, 3326:23
questions [18] - 3204:7, 3220:24,
3252:10, 3256:12, 3278:23, 3279:3,
3285:13, 3294:3, 3294:13, 3295:12,
3298:25, 3305:2, 3312:15, 3312:16,
3314:9, 3324:17, 3339:2, 3347:22
quickly [1] - 3239:14
quite [2] - 3287:23, 3289:22
quote [1] - 3297:14
R
racketeering [3] - 3294:18, 3294:19,
3308:3
raised [3] - 3225:5, 3226:13, 3283:18
Ramadan [14] - 3216:21, 3216:22,
3217:3, 3217:17, 3217:20, 3337:4,
3337:6, 3337:14, 3337:17, 3337:21,
3338:12, 3338:21, 3339:4, 3339:5
ran [4] - 3235:19, 3327:21, 3327:23
randomly [1] - 3195:1
rank [3] - 3160:20, 3163:4, 3222:20
rather [9] - 3158:14, 3185:25, 3217:2,
3225:23, 3231:6, 3234:9, 3261:5,
3298:13, 3306:7
rationale [1] - 3224:25
RD [1] - 3309:18
RD-A [1] - 3309:18
RDA [1] - 3306:15
RDB [1] - 3306:15
Re [1] - 3224:20
reach [7] - 3172:13, 3204:22, 3206:15,
3210:3, 3210:7, 3338:25, 3339:12
reached [7] - 3184:10, 3184:14,
3207:1, 3208:14, 3210:11, 3263:9,
3350:22
reaching [2] - 3205:24, 3205:25
reaction [1] - 3166:5
read [31] - 3161:15, 3221:6, 3221:9,
3223:17, 3227:15, 3227:16, 3228:2,
3231:10, 3239:21, 3251:8, 3263:21,
3280:20, 3300:5, 3300:6, 3300:20,
3305:7, 3320:19, 3321:1, 3321:4,
3327:12, 3334:19, 3338:17, 3341:7,
3341:16, 3341:17, 3341:23, 3347:11,
3347:13, 3347:16, 3349:20
reading [6] - 3182:20, 3200:7,
CSR
21
3210:24, 3224:7, 3347:17, 3347:18
ready [13] - 3165:13, 3205:2, 3205:7,
3219:4, 3228:5, 3228:23, 3232:20,
3257:10, 3262:18, 3282:11, 3285:23,
3307:3, 3335:12
real [6] - 3215:4, 3215:8, 3215:12,
3216:24, 3247:14
really [13] - 3161:4, 3162:20, 3162:23,
3202:5, 3230:21, 3233:20, 3234:16,
3249:19, 3249:21, 3256:14, 3278:23,
3281:21, 3294:12
reason [12] - 3177:8, 3182:16,
3196:14, 3197:6, 3213:6, 3213:21,
3226:17, 3256:11, 3263:11, 3280:15,
3303:22, 3346:9
reasons [7] - 3170:23, 3267:16,
3268:6, 3269:3, 3280:14, 3320:21
recalling [1] - 3171:19
receive [3] - 3183:22, 3196:6, 3316:2
received [1] - 3308:9
recess [2] - 3251:15, 3256:15
Recess [1] - 3305:24
recognize [8] - 3240:20, 3240:22,
3240:23, 3243:5, 3246:12, 3246:15,
3299:24
recognizes [1] - 3200:13
recollect [14] - 3170:17, 3198:19,
3238:1, 3259:15, 3289:17, 3300:20,
3327:6, 3327:17, 3332:12, 3332:17,
3332:24, 3334:12, 3335:11, 3339:22
recollection [37] - 3153:8, 3153:17,
3153:20, 3154:3, 3157:12, 3200:9,
3201:13, 3202:13, 3202:15, 3202:19,
3202:25, 3206:19, 3207:4, 3208:9,
3208:21, 3210:6, 3211:2, 3227:25,
3228:3, 3231:20, 3236:17, 3237:5,
3255:22, 3256:14, 3263:25, 3270:1,
3292:17, 3293:2, 3295:2, 3295:15,
3296:7, 3306:5, 3306:9, 3310:11,
3335:5, 3339:25, 3347:13
recollections [1] - 3219:12
recommended [1] - 3303:8
recommends [1] - 3198:16
record [27] - 3154:5, 3158:21, 3159:5,
3161:16, 3168:19, 3213:3, 3221:6,
3221:9, 3232:7, 3232:14, 3232:21,
3233:5, 3233:7, 3233:11, 3234:10,
3235:9, 3235:22, 3249:2, 3250:2,
3285:11, 3293:9, 3293:11, 3293:13,
3303:11, 3306:3, 3306:12
Record [1] - 3341:17
recorded [13] - 3152:4, 3213:1,
3232:9, 3232:18, 3234:24, 3234:25,
3235:15, 3235:25, 3236:2, 3259:10,
3259:13, 3259:23
recorder [3] - 3235:5, 3235:8, 3236:2
recording [25] - 3153:23, 3155:2,
3155:3, 3155:4, 3191:1, 3198:10,
3220:18, 3220:19, 3232:11, 3232:20,
3232:22, 3232:25, 3233:6, 3235:1,
GR
3235:12, 3235:13, 3235:16, 3235:17,

3235:19, 3235:21, 3236:4, 3255:23,
3262:22, 3320:22, 3321:4
recordings [21] - 3154:7, 3154:8,
3155:1, 3232:17, 3234:18, 3235:3,
3319:4, 3319:7, 3319:9, 3319:13,
3319:14, 3319:17, 3319:20, 3319:22,
3319:24, 3320:2, 3320:5, 3320:7,
3320:9, 3320:20
records [1] - 3201:11
recross [1] - 3351:13
rectified [1] - 3238:13
red [2] - 3242:11, 3243:3
redacting [1] - 3155:3
redirect [2] - 3351:12, 3351:24
reducing [1] - 3309:6
reduction [6] - 3296:18, 3302:8,
3302:24, 3303:23, 3304:1, 3308:21
refer [3] - 3224:20, 3263:24, 3306:7
referring [16] - 3162:5, 3171:6, 3181:4,
3186:12, 3191:12, 3192:10, 3193:24,
3195:14, 3195:15, 3216:14, 3217:10,
3217:12, 3217:17, 3227:1, 3270:15,
3272:10
refers [1] - 3221:19
refixing [1] - 3216:23
reflect [1] - 3199:22
refrain [2] - 3228:1, 3268:22
refresh [30] - 3153:7, 3153:19,
3184:18, 3201:13, 3202:15, 3202:25,
3207:4, 3208:9, 3208:21, 3211:2,
3219:12, 3227:25, 3231:20, 3232:8,
3236:16, 3259:12, 3290:5, 3292:16,
3293:1, 3295:2, 3295:15, 3296:6,
3300:20, 3310:11, 3331:13, 3333:20,
3335:5, 3338:20, 3339:25, 3341:25
refreshed [2] - 3154:4, 3256:6
refreshes [6] - 3200:9, 3202:13,
3202:18, 3228:3, 3237:5, 3347:13
refreshing [6] - 3153:17, 3255:22,
3256:14, 3306:5, 3306:9
refrigerator [1] - 3348:13
refugee [1] - 3244:5
regard [3] - 3211:14, 3272:4, 3350:20
regardless [1] - 3157:16
regards [4] - 3182:3, 3263:10,
3283:18, 3298:2
regular [3] - 3239:2, 3338:3, 3352:1
reimburse [1] - 3317:8
reimbursed [4] - 3316:25, 3317:18,
3317:20, 3318:4
reimbursement [1] - 3318:7
relate [1] - 3174:19
related [4] - 3153:22, 3174:1, 3174:16,
3317:12
relation [7] - 3166:3, 3193:13, 3224:8,
3260:8, 3268:18, 3268:25, 3290:8
relationship [1] - 3328:3
release [2] - 3313:5, 3313:8
released [14] - 3309:10, 3309:12,
OCR
CM
CRR
3310:12, 3310:16, 3310:19, 3310:22,

3310:24, 3311:6, 3311:8, 3311:11,
3311:17, 3312:1, 3312:4
relevance [4] - 3246:8, 3246:21,
3247:3, 3292:22
relevancy [1] - 3221:10
relevant [10] - 3156:23, 3162:15,
3222:2, 3247:11, 3248:14, 3293:1,
3294:2, 3306:21, 3340:21, 3346:24
reliable [3] - 3225:2, 3274:21, 3274:25
religion [1] - 3156:20
religious [7] - 3156:22, 3157:5,
3157:13, 3162:15, 3260:5, 3267:23,
3268:3
reluctant [1] - 3212:12
remainder [1] - 3154:13
remarks [1] - 3285:14
remember [62] - 3154:24, 3170:15,
3172:10, 3176:4, 3184:15, 3201:13,
3202:15, 3202:16, 3206:19, 3206:22,
3218:16, 3218:20, 3229:6, 3229:7,
3229:10, 3229:17, 3230:18, 3230:20,
3231:10, 3232:16, 3237:2, 3240:24,
3241:5, 3242:19, 3246:11, 3251:1,
3251:10, 3255:24, 3256:3, 3258:18,
3259:18, 3259:24, 3259:25, 3260:8,
3260:10, 3264:4, 3264:23, 3265:12,
3283:5, 3283:8, 3288:14, 3289:16,
3292:4, 3292:7, 3292:16, 3305:4,
3305:5, 3305:8, 3313:17, 3315:22,
3321:19, 3321:20, 3329:10, 3333:12,
3333:14, 3338:13, 3338:14, 3346:8,
3349:12, 3349:16
remembered [1] - 3269:14
remembers [1] - 3253:3
remind [11] - 3164:25, 3176:12,
3183:1, 3183:3, 3190:25, 3204:3,
3228:20, 3253:21, 3258:11, 3349:10,
3350:6
reminded [1] - 3254:5
reminding [1] - 3251:21
remove [1] - 3315:3
rent [2] - 3289:3, 3315:25
repeat [5] - 3175:2, 3178:24, 3189:16,
3225:15, 3274:18
repeated [4] - 3158:13, 3171:25,
3204:25, 3269:7
repeatedly [3] - 3158:12, 3158:13,
3293:17
repeating [1] - 3282:13
rephrase [6] - 3196:8, 3275:18,
3284:16, 3316:24, 3337:16, 3346:2
replayed [1] - 3247:17
reply [1] - 3255:14
replying [1] - 3253:7
report [9] - 3195:8, 3312:10, 3312:13,
3313:1, 3314:5, 3317:18, 3335:21,
3344:17, 3344:18
reported [2] - 3168:22, 3313:19
Reporter [1] - 3152:1
CSR
22
reporting [4] - 3186:14, 3313:22,
3313:24, 3335:17
representation [1] - 3298:22
representations [2] - 3303:11,
3303:14
represented [1] - 3237:9
request [3] - 3253:4, 3317:18, 3343:19
requested [1] - 3219:9
requests [1] - 3253:3
require [1] - 3211:17
reschedule [1] - 3348:22
research [3] - 3218:21, 3251:6,
3349:21
researching [2] - 3267:20, 3268:2
resources [2] - 3237:17, 3328:7
respect [10] - 3197:21, 3219:8, 3220:6,
3221:16, 3225:4, 3227:25, 3295:15,
3306:19, 3306:22, 3344:20
respond [2] - 3176:2, 3176:3
response [2] - 3220:13, 3255:4
responsive [1] - 3253:6
rest [4] - 3190:22, 3191:5, 3253:18,
3349:24
rested [1] - 3164:11
return [6] - 3234:20, 3235:4, 3235:22,
3235:24, 3236:1, 3236:3
reversed [1] - 3251:24
review [5] - 3156:8, 3156:9, 3181:10,
3181:12, 3255:17
revised [1] - 3155:20
revisit [2] - 3155:8, 3194:14
revolvers [1] - 3301:20
rewarded [2] - 3300:10, 3300:13
rich [2] - 3215:1, 3215:8
RICO [1] - 3302:10
rights [1] - 3315:13
risk [1] - 3255:25
risky [1] - 3234:17
Rivera [1] - 3290:11
road [1] - 3177:4
Robert [1] - 3152:19
role [8] - 3156:22, 3157:5, 3232:6,
3282:4, 3288:6, 3288:19, 3288:20,
3294:12
roles [1] - 3267:21
room [3] - 3185:11, 3185:13, 3201:15
rooms [1] - 3262:1
roots [1] - 3212:15
routine [1] - 3251:3
Ruben [1] - 3290:11
Rudolph [1] - 3152:1
Rule [3] - 3222:10, 3224:3, 3224:16
rule [4] - 3223:20, 3223:25, 3224:1,
3224:4
ruled [2] - 3154:20, 3226:2
Rules [2] - 3159:13, 3159:21
ruling [2] - 3156:1, 3225:17
runaround [2] - 3281:12, 3281:14
running [1] - 3197:14
GR
RUSSELL [1] - 3151:8

Rutherford [7] - 3166:9, 3166:24,
3167:2, 3196:9, 3196:25, 3198:4,
3261:10
Rutherford's [1] - 3167:1
S
safe [3] - 3233:3, 3233:11, 3350:1
safely [1] - 3234:1
safety [2] - 3232:25, 3233:11
Salah [1] - 3324:5
sale [1] - 3248:4
Saleem [2] - 3258:18, 3261:24
Saleem's [1] - 3260:16
Salim [12] - 3240:8, 3242:22, 3243:3,
3243:4, 3243:9, 3243:22, 3244:1,
3244:4, 3244:7, 3244:14, 3246:12
Salim's [2] - 3242:25, 3249:23
Samuel [1] - 3290:11
sand [1] - 3197:15
sandwich [1] - 3348:12
Santiago [1] - 3290:11
satisfied [1] - 3280:3
save [2] - 3153:16, 3235:7
saw [7] - 3166:24, 3212:23, 3248:22,
3326:23, 3329:24, 3330:1
scam [1] - 3238:6
scams [1] - 3238:4
scanners [1] - 3239:21
schedule [8] - 3251:25, 3252:1,
3252:6, 3252:25, 3254:1, 3255:1,
3349:11, 3352:1
scheduling [8] - 3250:20, 3252:24,
3253:2, 3253:22, 3305:17, 3348:2,
3350:8, 3351:2
scholars [1] - 3244:15
scholarship [1] - 3244:15
scholarships [2] - 3212:17, 3212:19
school [1] - 3244:9
screen [4] - 3167:3, 3167:4, 3167:14,
3240:17
se [3] - 3270:22, 3297:25, 3303:25
search [2] - 3175:7, 3175:8
searched [6] - 3173:23, 3174:6,
3174:10, 3265:13, 3265:15, 3265:18
season [1] - 3337:17
seat [4] - 3219:2, 3251:22, 3257:3,
3350:3
seated [12] - 3152:12, 3152:24,
3164:7, 3164:17, 3228:11, 3228:14,
3257:3, 3257:20, 3257:24, 3305:13,
3307:11, 3307:13
Second [1] - 3293:16
second [20] - 3154:23, 3158:24,
3159:6, 3173:24, 3186:15, 3237:4,
3250:11, 3261:3, 3262:15, 3294:20,
3306:17, 3309:21, 3327:2, 3327:11,
3328:1, 3338:16, 3340:15, 3342:1,
OCR
CM
CRR
3347:12
secondly [1] - 3348:11
sect [1] - 3244:20
securities [1] - 3224:21
security [11] - 3194:17, 3194:18,
3194:21, 3195:3, 3195:4, 3195:8,
3196:6, 3325:13, 3326:10, 3326:21,
3327:4
see [49] - 3172:13, 3173:7, 3179:25,
3182:5, 3183:6, 3183:13, 3189:9,
3195:6, 3195:20, 3197:19, 3200:13,
3200:15, 3202:18, 3207:5, 3210:6,
3221:21, 3233:18, 3237:4, 3240:2,
3241:21, 3242:18, 3245:5, 3248:21,
3249:6, 3249:10, 3249:12, 3249:25,
3251:11, 3254:18, 3254:23, 3255:14,
3255:19, 3256:11, 3257:4, 3268:7,
3291:3, 3292:22, 3295:10, 3310:7,
3322:9, 3327:1, 3327:2, 3327:9,
3340:25, 3347:12, 3349:23, 3351:14,
3352:4
seek [2] - 3169:20, 3275:3
seeking [7] - 3155:24, 3156:4, 3156:5,
3159:17, 3159:19, 3272:3, 3306:19
seeks [1] - 3224:12
seem [3] - 3162:25, 3249:5, 3344:2
segment [1] - 3263:5
seized [3] - 3174:22, 3192:22, 3192:25
seizure [2] - 3300:10, 3300:14
sell [3] - 3281:3, 3289:20, 3330:17
selling [2] - 3289:21, 3304:25
sells [1] - 3330:15
semiautomatic [1] - 3301:20
send [5] - 3228:9, 3235:2, 3328:11,
3330:7, 3332:15
sending [1] - 3331:6
senior [1] - 3244:19
sense [7] - 3248:12, 3254:25, 3293:10,
3293:25, 3351:11, 3351:21, 3351:24
sensitive [17] - 3177:7, 3187:7,
3188:8, 3188:11, 3190:3, 3190:8,
3190:17, 3190:20, 3203:7, 3205:5,
3205:10, 3205:12, 3263:20, 3264:23,
3266:24, 3267:1
sensitivity [4] - 3264:15, 3265:7,
3266:6, 3282:1
sent [3] - 3313:8, 3332:21, 3333:17
sentence [29] - 3223:2, 3267:4,
3280:20, 3287:8, 3294:9, 3296:16,
3296:17, 3296:20, 3300:15, 3302:2,
3302:6, 3302:8, 3302:9, 3302:23,
3302:24, 3303:4, 3303:5, 3303:7,
3303:12, 3303:19, 3303:21, 3304:3,
3304:15, 3308:6, 3308:9, 3308:11,
3308:21, 3309:6, 3311:11
sentenced [2] - 3302:1, 3302:20
sentencing [2] - 3296:23, 3308:13
separate [1] - 3196:23
September [8] - 3322:1, 3323:7,
3323:13, 3323:17, 3323:21, 3324:4,
CSR
23
3324:14, 3337:22
series [1] - 3208:4
sermon [1] - 3269:11
serve [1] - 3294:8
set [6] - 3163:20, 3163:22, 3237:24,
3257:4, 3327:18, 3329:12
setback [5] - 3189:6, 3189:11,
3189:20, 3202:1, 3203:16
seven [3] - 3180:2, 3180:8, 3308:11
several [10] - 3155:23, 3163:18,
3210:10, 3214:24, 3236:10, 3240:12,
3260:4, 3260:16, 3264:17, 3331:16
SF [6] - 3291:1, 3338:16, 3339:24,
3340:15, 3340:20, 3346:23
SF-10 [1] - 3334:17
SF-3 [1] - 3327:8
shades [1] - 3164:13
Shafiq [2] - 3276:21, 3276:22
shake [1] - 3279:24
shall [1] - 3218:14
shame [1] - 3250:3
shared [1] - 3170:7
Shea [3] - 3329:5, 3330:3, 3330:11
Sheik [100] - 3167:1, 3167:2, 3167:10,
3167:25, 3168:2, 3171:23, 3172:2,
3172:7, 3172:23, 3173:1, 3173:3,
3174:11, 3177:21, 3177:24, 3177:25,
3178:4, 3182:2, 3184:5, 3184:6,
3184:8, 3184:15, 3186:2, 3229:20,
3229:22, 3230:4, 3230:8, 3230:15,
3230:18, 3230:24, 3236:20, 3236:23,
3237:15, 3237:19, 3238:2, 3238:11,
3238:12, 3238:14, 3238:16, 3242:2,
3242:13, 3243:22, 3244:1, 3244:4,
3244:6, 3244:12, 3244:17, 3244:18,
3244:21, 3244:25, 3258:24, 3260:13,
3260:21, 3260:22, 3260:23, 3261:19,
3267:19, 3267:22, 3267:25, 3268:2,
3268:7, 3268:11, 3268:14, 3268:16,
3269:20, 3270:12, 3270:15, 3272:5,
3274:18, 3275:7, 3275:25, 3276:17,
3276:18, 3277:2, 3277:5, 3277:7,
3277:12, 3278:7, 3281:22, 3281:23,
3282:5, 3283:16, 3284:9, 3284:20,
3285:2, 3325:19, 3337:18, 3337:19,
3338:2, 3339:21, 3340:2, 3340:13,
3346:8
sheik [1] - 3244:19
Sheikh [44] - 3189:8, 3189:10, 3192:4,
3193:10, 3193:21, 3195:17, 3195:18,
3198:15, 3204:17, 3204:18, 3204:21,
3205:4, 3205:18, 3205:22, 3206:6,
3206:9, 3206:15, 3206:22, 3207:2,
3211:25, 3212:1, 3212:2, 3212:4,
3212:10, 3212:14, 3212:15, 3212:16,
3213:16, 3213:18, 3214:20, 3214:22,
3215:3, 3215:6, 3215:7, 3215:10,
3216:7, 3216:9, 3216:11, 3216:14,
3217:11, 3217:19, 3218:5
Shia [1] - 3245:3
GR
shifted [1] - 3162:25

Shiite [4] - 3250:2, 3282:24, 3283:1
Shiites [4] - 3282:8, 3282:9, 3282:10
Shiits [4] - 3281:7, 3282:12, 3282:22,
3282:23
shipping [1] - 3328:19
shirt [2] - 3242:11, 3243:3
shoot [1] - 3317:15
short [4] - 3159:16, 3246:18, 3272:22,
3345:10
shortly [1] - 3166:4
shots [1] - 3249:12
show [35] - 3153:13, 3153:21, 3154:2,
3166:18, 3167:8, 3167:14, 3198:19,
3208:15, 3210:18, 3210:19, 3225:13,
3228:1, 3241:19, 3255:21, 3260:22,
3280:10, 3295:8, 3295:16, 3299:20,
3299:23, 3309:16, 3310:6, 3310:11,
3312:15, 3327:6, 3327:7, 3333:19,
3334:15, 3338:15, 3339:23, 3340:12,
3340:15, 3340:19, 3341:2, 3346:22
showed [17] - 3167:2, 3167:5, 3167:8,
3167:12, 3199:15, 3226:24, 3232:11,
3246:19, 3258:20, 3260:21, 3260:25,
3263:19, 3277:18, 3277:21, 3277:22,
3327:18, 3330:24
showing [9] - 3158:6, 3161:8, 3166:8,
3166:13, 3240:17, 3260:8, 3260:12,
3341:22, 3342:2
shown [3] - 3240:15, 3246:17, 3325:4
shows [2] - 3223:10, 3225:11
Shukrijumah [1] - 3193:21
shut [1] - 3307:1
Side [1] - 3246:1
side [16] - 3195:20, 3200:15, 3201:1,
3207:6, 3208:1, 3209:2, 3245:6,
3246:22, 3247:13, 3247:23, 3248:18,
3248:19, 3249:4, 3249:14, 3250:9,
3291:3
Sidebar [2] - 3292:1, 3343:1
sided [2] - 3169:7, 3169:14
sign [2] - 3298:12, 3298:15
signed [4] - 3253:16, 3287:1, 3298:10,
3300:21
signify [1] - 3160:8
similar [2] - 3309:4, 3316:15
simple [4] - 3190:11, 3196:10,
3196:11, 3196:24
simply [1] - 3159:5
simultaneously [2] - 3255:15, 3285:6
sister [2] - 3244:8, 3244:16
sit [2] - 3281:23, 3281:24
site [1] - 3249:18
sitting [3] - 3223:11, 3243:5, 3272:17
situation [4] - 3233:11, 3233:16,
3233:19, 3234:17
six [2] - 3300:4, 3311:14
size [1] - 3192:21
skills [3] - 3311:18, 3311:22
skip [3] - 3162:8, 3162:14, 3180:16
OCR
CM
CRR
sleep [2] - 3349:5, 3349:25

small [1] - 3234:22
smoothest [1] - 3256:2
snack [3] - 3348:11, 3348:17, 3349:13
so-called [1] - 3285:18
social [1] - 3196:6
socially [1] - 3272:3
sold [1] - 3292:8
sole [1] - 3276:12
soliciting [1] - 3214:7
someone [13] - 3196:20, 3198:4,
3214:17, 3214:22, 3217:17, 3224:6,
3229:6, 3229:20, 3274:16, 3284:14,
3284:19, 3293:9, 3331:7
something's [1] - 3208:11
sometime [2] - 3265:25, 3326:7
sometimes [9] - 3186:1, 3194:12,
3233:22, 3233:24, 3233:25, 3234:2,
3234:13, 3234:15
somewhat [5] - 3243:21, 3281:21,
3309:6, 3335:10, 3338:13
son [9] - 3239:4, 3239:5, 3239:7,
3239:9, 3239:11, 3239:16, 3240:8,
3242:3, 3258:17
son's [1] - 3258:17
sons [2] - 3241:2, 3242:13
soon [6] - 3173:2, 3219:4, 3255:19,
3335:20, 3335:21, 3351:11
sorry [37] - 3153:11, 3164:14, 3175:2,
3178:3, 3178:25, 3179:2, 3179:6,
3184:11, 3189:16, 3190:10, 3206:25,
3207:5, 3208:2, 3217:16, 3221:7,
3241:11, 3273:7, 3286:19, 3286:25,
3298:14, 3304:5, 3304:9, 3304:12,
3309:11, 3310:14, 3310:18, 3311:1,
3311:2, 3317:11, 3317:13, 3321:14,
3321:17, 3321:20, 3326:5, 3340:24,
3341:1, 3350:15
sort [6] - 3192:14, 3196:13, 3253:11,
3253:24, 3293:18, 3331:17
sought [5] - 3156:21, 3157:3, 3157:13,
3220:7, 3267:16
sounds [3] - 3254:19, 3279:15, 3352:3
source [1] - 3204:20
space [1] - 3248:12
speaking [10] - 3161:24, 3167:18,
3176:11, 3215:24, 3221:22, 3254:5,
3263:4, 3328:6, 3340:8, 3340:9
Special [4] - 3287:1, 3287:7, 3290:1,
3294:20
special [9] - 3296:24, 3297:1, 3297:2,
3297:9, 3297:23, 3298:5, 3298:21,
3299:25, 3300:24
specific [15] - 3153:15, 3156:6,
3160:3, 3161:12, 3162:15, 3168:3,
3177:8, 3181:21, 3196:8, 3241:3,
3293:16, 3294:5, 3306:22, 3317:7,
3331:17
specifically [28] - 3157:22, 3159:21,
3161:11, 3167:14, 3169:20, 3170:2,
CSR
24
3170:10, 3172:5, 3178:8, 3182:4,
3182:9, 3186:24, 3187:5, 3198:12,
3202:17, 3203:2, 3204:18, 3208:21,
3213:20, 3222:6, 3238:3, 3240:10,
3261:1, 3261:2, 3270:11, 3278:20,
3293:19, 3326:25
specifics [2] - 3346:14, 3347:9
speedy [1] - 3238:24
spend [1] - 3240:7
spent [2] - 3226:14, 3311:14
spiritual [4] - 3267:17, 3267:23,
3268:8, 3268:14
spoken [10] - 3171:23, 3182:16,
3210:17, 3212:25, 3278:13, 3280:17,
3280:19, 3281:20, 3299:2, 3331:7
spots [1] - 3236:12
spring [1] - 3288:8
spy [1] - 3195:6
stairwell [1] - 3243:7
stand [9] - 3156:10, 3156:21, 3163:15,
3227:16, 3251:16, 3256:10, 3268:25,
3307:8, 3351:4
standard [1] - 3199:13
standing [2] - 3160:22, 3179:3
stands [1] - 3222:8
start [7] - 3178:22, 3218:25, 3226:6,
3226:16, 3307:22, 3345:8, 3349:9
started [2] - 3304:25, 3351:13
starting [11] - 3161:19, 3179:14,
3180:4, 3262:14, 3279:10, 3300:6,
3322:7, 3345:9, 3348:5, 3349:12,
3349:24
starts [2] - 3225:25, 3226:18
stash [5] - 3287:18, 3287:25, 3288:24,
3314:24, 3315:3
state [14] - 3152:15, 3159:22, 3160:3,
3160:8, 3221:10, 3222:6, 3223:1,
3224:2, 3224:17, 3224:25, 3227:12,
3294:10, 3309:5, 3344:21
State [1] - 3311:21
statement [10] - 3203:14, 3222:14,
3222:20, 3222:25, 3224:17, 3225:11,
3227:11, 3227:14, 3300:11, 3343:24
statements [24] - 3158:10, 3160:9,
3160:20, 3196:3, 3222:20, 3224:12,
3224:13, 3224:15, 3224:23, 3224:24,
3225:2, 3225:8, 3225:9, 3225:18,
3227:23, 3304:10, 3306:23, 3343:21,
3343:22, 3344:6, 3344:7, 3344:9,
3344:10, 3344:12
STATES [3] - 3151:1, 3151:4, 3151:13
states [2] - 3301:14, 3316:22
States [14] - 3151:7, 3151:16, 3151:18,
3152:14, 3152:18, 3214:1, 3214:12,
3215:1, 3239:18, 3247:7, 3265:14,
3265:19, 3334:7, 3334:9
stating [1] - 3300:12
stay [2] - 3261:18, 3265:12
stayed [5] - 3242:25, 3249:23,
3261:17, 3261:19, 3344:9
GR
staying [13] - 3158:4, 3158:5, 3242:23,

3243:17, 3244:18, 3249:23, 3258:17,
3261:15, 3261:20, 3261:22, 3261:24,
3261:25, 3262:2
stenography [1] - 3152:4
step [2] - 3305:22, 3350:12
steps [1] - 3249:9
Steven [4] - 3164:22, 3234:2, 3234:4,
3300:2
sticker [2] - 3306:8, 3306:9
still [24] - 3164:25, 3178:15, 3205:21,
3228:21, 3250:18, 3254:17, 3258:11,
3261:17, 3266:1, 3282:12, 3282:22,
3287:8, 3305:14, 3307:20, 3313:19,
3336:5, 3336:6, 3339:19, 3339:20,
3340:2, 3341:8, 3350:5, 3351:6,
3351:12
stipend [1] - 3315:24
stipulation [5] - 3163:17, 3252:15,
3252:19, 3253:15, 3350:25
stood [1] - 3220:23
stop [9] - 3175:5, 3175:6, 3190:4,
3190:8, 3238:13, 3250:14, 3267:12,
3295:13, 3316:6
stopped [13] - 3174:2, 3174:25,
3191:11, 3192:1, 3193:17, 3195:12,
3215:20, 3216:4, 3216:19, 3217:14,
3217:22, 3218:13, 3316:7
stopped) [2] - 3192:9, 3217:7
stopping [1] - 3292:19
stops [33] - 3179:22, 3180:6, 3180:9,
3180:18, 3181:1, 3181:14, 3181:20,
3182:12, 3182:24, 3183:19, 3185:7,
3186:9, 3187:4, 3187:11, 3262:19,
3263:3, 3266:11, 3267:11, 3269:10,
3270:10, 3270:19, 3271:10, 3272:23,
3279:14, 3280:2, 3280:8, 3280:23,
3282:7, 3282:16, 3321:25, 3322:11,
3322:22, 3323:3
storage [1] - 3235:8
store [1] - 3288:4
stored [1] - 3288:1
straight [1] - 3196:10
strains [1] - 3159:10
strangers [1] - 3195:1
stray [1] - 3256:11
streamline [1] - 3351:17
stricken [1] - 3285:15
stronghold [1] - 3173:3
strongly [3] - 3168:9, 3170:13,
3297:11
student [5] - 3158:11, 3161:3, 3222:8,
3223:10, 3271:2
studied [5] - 3244:4, 3244:7, 3244:12,
3244:14, 3244:16
study [1] - 3244:6
stuff [3] - 3155:10, 3328:25, 3331:15
subject [2] - 3154:14, 3154:17
subjected [1] - 3293:4
submission [1] - 3161:17
OCR
CM
CRR
submit [5] - 3156:23, 3227:8, 3255:4,

3255:6, 3317:18
submitted [1] - 3253:4
subsequent [2] - 3225:12, 3225:14
substance [3] - 3156:19, 3225:15,
3350:9
substantively [1] - 3351:16
subway [3] - 3330:10, 3331:2, 3331:4
succeed [1] - 3162:1
successful [3] - 3212:13, 3339:15,
3340:11
sudden [1] - 3163:2
sufficiently [1] - 3225:2
suggest [1] - 3348:10
suggested [2] - 3182:6, 3253:8
suggestion [1] - 3254:1
suicide [1] - 3335:15
summations [1] - 3255:2
Sunni [1] - 3282:24
supervised [2] - 3313:5, 3313:8
supervision [4] - 3312:5, 3312:7,
3313:2, 3313:5
supplier [1] - 3330:15
suppliers [2] - 3330:13, 3330:17
supplies [1] - 3328:11
supply [1] - 3255:12
support [3] - 3221:23, 3268:1, 3268:12
suppose [1] - 3306:11
supposed [14] - 3218:6, 3234:19,
3234:20, 3275:14, 3275:19, 3275:21,
3276:10, 3277:17, 3277:20, 3277:24,
3278:6, 3312:7, 3312:10, 3344:24
supposedly [2] - 3218:5, 3344:15
surprise [2] - 3322:13, 3322:18
surrender [1] - 3317:24
surreptitious [1] - 3293:18
suspect [1] - 3279:3
suspicious [1] - 3279:1
sustain [1] - 3204:7
Sustained [6] - 3189:13, 3189:23,
3200:1, 3205:14, 3214:10, 3216:13
sustained [27] - 3166:20, 3171:15,
3174:4, 3190:6, 3198:1, 3204:2,
3213:8, 3217:6, 3237:7, 3237:12,
3245:5, 3264:20, 3265:3, 3266:9,
3268:21, 3269:8, 3272:21, 3279:7,
3279:18, 3284:2, 3285:21, 3286:11,
3286:22, 3299:14, 3299:19, 3301:2,
3304:14
switch [1] - 3305:21
sword [3] - 3191:9, 3191:12, 3191:13
swore [1] - 3304:21
sworn [1] - 3165:10
system [2] - 3305:20, 3308:25
systematics [2] - 3300:19, 3303:9
T
table [3] - 3152:19, 3152:24, 3153:3
CSR
25
talks [3] - 3328:16, 3331:19, 3331:22
tall [1] - 3166:18
tamper [1] - 3235:18
tampering [1] - 3235:14
tank [2] - 3169:7, 3169:12
tanks [8] - 3167:22, 3167:23, 3168:1,
3168:7, 3170:24, 3177:4, 3177:6
Tape [28] - 3191:11, 3192:1, 3192:9,
3193:17, 3195:12, 3215:20, 3216:4,
3216:19, 3217:7, 3217:14, 3217:22,
3218:13, 3272:23, 3280:2, 3280:8,
3282:16
tape [81] - 3153:23, 3168:19, 3179:22,
3180:6, 3180:9, 3180:18, 3181:1,
3181:14, 3181:20, 3182:12, 3182:24,
3183:16, 3183:19, 3185:7, 3186:9,
3187:4, 3187:9, 3187:11, 3193:16,
3200:5, 3201:11, 3203:11, 3205:11,
3211:17, 3220:20, 3220:21, 3221:3,
3235:8, 3236:2, 3262:19, 3263:3,
3263:18, 3266:11, 3267:11, 3269:2,
3269:10, 3269:17, 3269:23, 3270:10,
3270:19, 3271:10, 3272:23, 3279:14,
3280:2, 3280:8, 3280:23, 3282:7,
3282:16, 3321:25, 3322:11, 3322:22,
3323:3
tape-record [1] - 3168:19
taped [6] - 3174:25, 3175:10, 3190:19,
3200:10
tapes [4] - 3185:14, 3185:16, 3320:15,
3320:20
teacher [7] - 3158:2, 3158:10,
3160:22, 3161:25, 3222:7, 3222:8,
3223:12
teacher/student [1] - 3223:19
team [2] - 3250:19, 3350:8
tech [6] - 3334:6, 3335:14, 3346:9,
3346:12, 3347:2, 3347:6
technical [3] - 3161:2, 3306:4,
3321:18
technologically [1] - 3239:18
technology [1] - 3235:6
telephone [3] - 3324:8, 3336:7,
3337:24
temporary [1] - 3202:2
ten [9] - 3159:19, 3159:24, 3206:13,
3206:20, 3206:24, 3208:25, 3219:21,
3293:6, 3305:18
terms [11] - 3158:22, 3214:7, 3230:12,
3230:25, 3233:10, 3253:3, 3294:5,
3306:9, 3315:7, 3319:3, 3321:3
terrorist [1] - 3161:23
testified [19] - 3160:13, 3165:10,
3202:9, 3203:6, 3247:15, 3248:22,
3290:10, 3290:18, 3302:14, 3308:2,
3309:20, 3310:3, 3313:14, 3314:8,
3314:16, 3315:20, 3317:14, 3321:9,
3322:12
testify [5] - 3208:3, 3248:20, 3290:7,
3343:19
GR
testifying [4] - 3201:11, 3202:1,

3228:1, 3268:22
testimony [12] - 3159:14, 3159:18,
3203:12, 3250:1, 3250:19, 3250:21,
3252:12, 3253:15, 3305:16, 3333:1,
3350:7, 3350:10
text [2] - 3183:14, 3183:20
THE [308] - 3151:13, 3152:11, 3152:13,
3152:20, 3152:25, 3153:5, 3153:19,
3154:1, 3154:10, 3154:16, 3154:19,
3155:14, 3156:9, 3156:14, 3156:25,
3157:2, 3157:12, 3157:16, 3160:10,
3160:18, 3160:23, 3162:18, 3163:6,
3163:8, 3163:13, 3163:21, 3164:1,
3164:4, 3164:6, 3164:10, 3164:11,
3164:15, 3164:21, 3164:24, 3164:25,
3165:2, 3165:3, 3165:7, 3165:13,
3165:20, 3166:20, 3169:22, 3169:24,
3171:15, 3173:16, 3174:4, 3175:2,
3175:7, 3178:11, 3178:17, 3178:21,
3178:25, 3179:3, 3179:6, 3179:9,
3179:12, 3179:16, 3179:21, 3179:23,
3184:11, 3184:20, 3184:25, 3185:2,
3185:5, 3189:13, 3189:23, 3190:6,
3190:14, 3190:24, 3195:20, 3196:1,
3196:9, 3196:23, 3197:4, 3197:9,
3197:14, 3197:19, 3198:1, 3198:24,
3199:2, 3200:1, 3200:15, 3201:2,
3201:18, 3203:13, 3203:17, 3204:2,
3205:14, 3207:5, 3208:5, 3208:7,
3208:17, 3208:19, 3209:1, 3210:7,
3210:8, 3210:10, 3210:12, 3210:13,
3210:20, 3211:20, 3213:8, 3213:10,
3214:10, 3215:16, 3215:19, 3215:24,
3216:13, 3217:6, 3218:15, 3219:2,
3219:5, 3219:7, 3219:15, 3219:20,
3220:3, 3220:10, 3221:7, 3222:13,
3222:17, 3223:5, 3223:14, 3223:17,
3224:1, 3224:3, 3224:11, 3224:20,
3225:10, 3225:20, 3226:1, 3226:5,
3226:8, 3226:10, 3226:13, 3227:20,
3228:5, 3228:9, 3228:11, 3228:18,
3228:22, 3228:23, 3231:15, 3232:23,
3233:10, 3233:12, 3233:13, 3233:15,
3234:6, 3236:7, 3237:7, 3237:12,
3238:19, 3239:12, 3239:15, 3241:9,
3241:12, 3241:15, 3241:18, 3241:25,
3242:2, 3242:7, 3245:5, 3246:2,
3246:6, 3246:20, 3247:12, 3248:6,
3248:18, 3249:14, 3249:17, 3250:1,
3250:8, 3250:17, 3250:22, 3250:23,
3251:15, 3251:18, 3251:21, 3253:10,
3253:21, 3254:2, 3254:8, 3254:10,
3254:14, 3255:1, 3255:8, 3255:11,
3255:15, 3256:8, 3257:3, 3257:6,
3257:8, 3257:10, 3257:11, 3257:12,
3257:14, 3257:15, 3257:16, 3257:17,
3257:19, 3258:2, 3258:5, 3258:9,
3258:10, 3258:11, 3258:13, 3259:19,
3259:25, 3260:1, 3262:17, 3264:20,
3265:3, 3266:9, 3268:21, 3269:8,
OCR
CM
CRR
3272:13, 3272:21, 3273:4, 3273:5,

3273:7, 3275:17, 3277:22, 3277:25,
3279:7, 3279:13, 3279:18, 3281:16,
3281:18, 3282:13, 3284:2, 3284:4,
3284:16, 3285:13, 3285:21, 3286:4,
3286:6, 3286:11, 3286:22, 3286:24,
3288:11, 3290:25, 3291:3, 3292:2,
3292:8, 3292:11, 3292:13, 3293:3,
3294:2, 3294:9, 3294:17, 3295:7,
3295:10, 3296:4, 3297:5, 3297:21,
3297:23, 3298:2, 3298:9, 3298:15,
3298:16, 3299:14, 3299:19, 3301:2,
3304:14, 3305:3, 3305:13, 3305:23,
3306:1, 3306:11, 3306:16, 3306:25,
3307:3, 3307:7, 3307:11, 3307:17,
3307:21, 3307:22, 3310:9, 3310:22,
3317:11, 3321:13, 3336:24, 3337:2,
3341:16, 3341:18, 3341:23, 3342:5,
3343:12, 3344:3, 3345:1, 3345:8,
3345:11, 3346:2, 3347:24, 3349:1,
3350:3, 3350:11, 3350:12, 3350:14,
3350:15, 3350:16, 3350:17, 3350:19,
3351:3, 3351:7, 3351:12, 3351:18,
3352:3
themselves [1] - 3269:22
theory [1] - 3158:17
thereafter [1] - 3166:4
Therrien [1] - 3179:10
they've [1] - 3227:5
thieves [1] - 3186:13
thinking [2] - 3161:4, 3180:12
third [7] - 3159:12, 3212:3, 3213:12,
3224:24, 3327:12, 3328:1, 3344:17
third-party [1] - 3159:12
thoughts [4] - 3220:23, 3227:11,
3238:1, 3332:17
thousand [2] - 3316:11, 3316:12
three [16] - 3170:16, 3170:18, 3190:23,
3212:24, 3238:22, 3239:23, 3242:21,
3252:15, 3252:22, 3265:23, 3277:1,
3277:12, 3335:3, 3350:24
Thursday [6] - 3165:17, 3201:19,
3219:10, 3321:13, 3321:14, 3321:15
ticket [16] - 3211:23, 3212:3, 3212:4,
3213:5, 3213:12, 3213:14, 3216:2,
3218:9, 3230:14, 3276:17, 3276:19,
3276:23, 3277:5, 3277:7, 3277:10,
3277:15
tickets [10] - 3237:10, 3237:13,
3237:14, 3237:18, 3237:21, 3276:25,
3277:1, 3277:9, 3277:12, 3277:15
timing [1] - 3266:4
today [6] - 3162:23, 3198:21, 3202:9,
3219:13, 3226:16, 3272:19
together [2] - 3244:9, 3244:17
token [2] - 3214:4, 3272:5
tomorrow [15] - 3183:21, 3345:8,
3345:9, 3345:12, 3348:1, 3348:5,
3348:18, 3348:19, 3349:2, 3349:10,
3349:12, 3349:23, 3351:14, 3352:4
CSR
26
Toni [1] - 3153:3
TONI [1] - 3151:24
tonight [3] - 3221:18, 3327:3, 3351:17
took [15] - 3192:11, 3201:1, 3204:1,
3208:1, 3218:5, 3238:3, 3238:25,
3269:19, 3278:10, 3284:24, 3314:24,
3330:16, 3333:12, 3340:24, 3347:7
top [10] - 3159:1, 3178:22, 3179:8,
3179:14, 3181:13, 3226:18, 3262:15,
3279:10, 3322:8, 3342:2
total [4] - 3153:5, 3311:15, 3319:8,
3319:25
touch [9] - 3172:25, 3184:2, 3188:6,
3188:10, 3205:18, 3340:3, 3340:5,
3340:11, 3340:13
towards [1] - 3337:20
towns [2] - 3301:13, 3301:14
Trade [3] - 3332:21, 3333:14, 3333:24
traditional [1] - 3180:21
trafficking [2] - 3293:17, 3301:6
TRANSCRIPT [1] - 3151:12
transcript [34] - 3152:4, 3154:20,
3155:4, 3155:5, 3157:8, 3157:15,
3158:24, 3159:3, 3166:16, 3178:15,
3178:20, 3189:25, 3190:24, 3191:2,
3199:22, 3200:12, 3202:18, 3203:8,
3208:20, 3208:22, 3215:15, 3219:9,
3219:18, 3220:6, 3220:17, 3223:18,
3226:1, 3226:3, 3226:5, 3226:10,
3264:9, 3321:1, 3321:5
transcription [3] - 3152:4, 3166:12,
3322:25
transcripts [10] - 3153:6, 3200:4,
3219:11, 3249:7, 3320:8, 3320:10,
3320:13, 3320:16, 3320:18
travel [5] - 3230:20, 3230:25, 3237:15,
3275:20, 3275:21
traveling [3] - 3238:15, 3277:3, 3277:4
trial [16] - 3152:13, 3196:2, 3198:5,
3204:13, 3219:12, 3220:3, 3223:21,
3247:1, 3247:23, 3248:25, 3249:19,
3250:11, 3250:12, 3319:3, 3319:10
TRIAL [1] - 3151:12
tried [6] - 3210:4, 3233:22, 3336:2,
3338:25, 3340:2, 3344:8
Trinidad [43] - 3160:5, 3167:10,
3211:24, 3212:2, 3212:7, 3212:18,
3213:12, 3213:21, 3215:22, 3215:25,
3216:2, 3216:8, 3218:9, 3221:20,
3230:14, 3237:10, 3237:13, 3237:23,
3252:16, 3260:11, 3262:7, 3264:7,
3273:9, 3273:11, 3273:13, 3273:17,
3274:1, 3274:14, 3275:3, 3275:6,
3275:20, 3276:3, 3276:11, 3276:12,
3276:15, 3277:17, 3277:20, 3278:19,
3282:2, 3283:4, 3285:5, 3285:6, 3351:8
Trinidadian [2] - 3163:18, 3350:21
trip [9] - 3173:22, 3173:24, 3276:15,
3276:16, 3324:23, 3324:24, 3327:24,
3333:3, 3345:7
GR
troop [1] - 3325:17

trouble [1] - 3242:15
truck [3] - 3333:3, 3333:9, 3333:12
true [7] - 3166:16, 3172:12, 3285:17,
3294:1, 3297:19, 3297:24, 3298:1
trust [2] - 3208:11, 3212:8
trusting [1] - 3212:6
truth [11] - 3171:23, 3296:18, 3297:4,
3297:7, 3297:10, 3297:12, 3299:16,
3302:22, 3302:24, 3303:1
truthful [4] - 3296:24, 3297:25,
3298:1, 3298:24
truthfully [1] - 3313:1
try [11] - 3161:13, 3169:20, 3180:16,
3192:6, 3192:12, 3210:10, 3296:15,
3298:12, 3299:10, 3321:20, 3351:17
trying [22] - 3179:24, 3190:15,
3191:21, 3197:2, 3201:17, 3202:24,
3206:16, 3206:20, 3208:21, 3221:21,
3235:6, 3236:19, 3248:24, 3270:12,
3270:16, 3272:18, 3285:2, 3303:19,
3317:2, 3328:10, 3340:5, 3351:19
Tuesday [2] - 3251:20, 3348:19
turn [11] - 3178:17, 3179:7, 3184:20,
3215:15, 3233:17, 3233:18, 3233:22,
3234:3, 3234:8, 3264:4, 3334:18
turned [1] - 3179:18
TV [3] - 3167:3, 3167:4, 3167:14
twenty [1] - 3302:13
twenty-five [1] - 3302:13
twist [1] - 3272:18
two [35] - 3156:9, 3156:15, 3159:1,
3169:7, 3169:25, 3172:13, 3172:16,
3172:17, 3172:18, 3172:22, 3173:6,
3173:9, 3173:13, 3173:19, 3184:1,
3185:4, 3185:6, 3186:13, 3215:17,
3216:16, 3241:1, 3250:7, 3250:11,
3252:21, 3253:14, 3253:19, 3254:12,
3279:11, 3283:3, 3305:25, 3326:9,
3330:19, 3343:2, 3344:1, 3348:2
two-headed [1] - 3344:1
two-sided [1] - 3169:7
types [1] - 3235:7
U
U.S [2] - 3199:11, 3199:14
UN [2] - 3325:23, 3325:24
unable [1] - 3348:21
under [16] - 3159:20, 3164:25,
3175:24, 3213:18, 3216:23, 3216:24,
3224:21, 3228:21, 3250:18, 3258:12,
3268:11, 3305:14, 3307:20, 3315:6,
3318:5, 3350:5
undercover [5] - 3229:24, 3229:25,
3230:3, 3232:5, 3276:24
underlying [2] - 3295:6, 3295:7
understood [2] - 3221:16, 3252:17
unfortunately [2] - 3197:16, 3304:8
OCR
CM
CRR
unintelligible [1] - 3200:5

UNITED [3] - 3151:1, 3151:4, 3151:13
United [13] - 3151:7, 3151:16,
3151:18, 3152:14, 3152:18, 3214:12,
3215:1, 3239:18, 3247:7, 3265:14,
3265:19, 3334:7, 3334:9
unless [6] - 3163:13, 3235:13,
3263:25, 3293:17, 3300:14
unreliable [1] - 3274:17
up [89] - 3153:5, 3155:17, 3155:21,
3157:21, 3162:20, 3162:24, 3163:20,
3163:22, 3180:12, 3191:4, 3191:22,
3193:4, 3197:6, 3198:4, 3198:23,
3201:20, 3202:1, 3210:23, 3214:8,
3218:25, 3219:13, 3226:15, 3227:15,
3227:18, 3231:3, 3231:5, 3232:17,
3232:19, 3233:13, 3233:19, 3236:17,
3236:20, 3236:22, 3237:24, 3238:12,
3238:14, 3239:13, 3239:16, 3248:2,
3248:23, 3251:5, 3251:19, 3255:17,
3258:23, 3261:3, 3263:13, 3264:17,
3277:18, 3277:21, 3277:22, 3278:18,
3282:3, 3283:18, 3288:19, 3288:22,
3290:3, 3290:21, 3291:2, 3292:15,
3292:20, 3294:10, 3296:6, 3296:8,
3296:10, 3300:24, 3307:2, 3309:6,
3311:3, 3312:15, 3314:22, 3315:8,
3315:15, 3317:21, 3322:7, 3324:3,
3327:18, 3328:10, 3328:17, 3328:25,
3329:2, 3329:4, 3329:5, 3329:12,
3332:7, 3334:10, 3335:9, 3339:10,
3352:2
ups [1] - 3251:5
upset [3] - 3174:5, 3174:8, 3174:9
Usama [3] - 3205:20, 3206:2, 3211:15
Uzbekistan [2] - 3244:3, 3244:5
V
vaguely [1] - 3242:21
value [1] - 3262:23
Van [1] - 3214:18
variables [3] - 3194:13, 3232:19,
3232:24
various [2] - 3222:21, 3233:3
vary [1] - 3316:3
vein [1] - 3222:3
Venezuela [5] - 3168:14, 3169:20,
3170:3, 3188:19, 3188:25
versus [1] - 3152:14
video [17] - 3165:25, 3166:5, 3166:8,
3166:14, 3166:17, 3166:25, 3167:6,
3167:8, 3167:13, 3177:22, 3246:18,
3317:15, 3317:19, 3317:21, 3317:23,
3330:23
videos [1] - 3317:15
videotape [1] - 3248:6
view [9] - 3161:23, 3161:24, 3189:20,
3218:22, 3274:20, 3274:22, 3274:24,
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27
3344:11, 3344:13
views [9] - 3158:11, 3222:9, 3223:21,
3269:1, 3269:3, 3270:5, 3271:4, 3271:5
violation [3] - 3313:2, 3313:5, 3313:8
violence [1] - 3161:13
virtue [1] - 3224:5
visit [3] - 3165:21, 3218:3, 3268:10
visiting [1] - 3165:18
voice [4] - 3178:25, 3179:4, 3180:19,
3185:8
W
Wahab [17] - 3178:7, 3205:17,
3205:19, 3205:25, 3206:5, 3206:8,
3206:13, 3206:15, 3206:20, 3206:23,
3207:1, 3208:4, 3208:14, 3210:7,
3211:6, 3268:11
wait [3] - 3255:14, 3260:22, 3306:1
waiting [4] - 3171:21, 3189:9, 3230:25,
3344:22
wall [2] - 3167:23, 3168:1
walled [2] - 3167:22, 3168:1
walls [1] - 3169:14
wants [4] - 3181:21, 3215:22, 3252:18,
3293:12
warn [1] - 3227:22
watch [2] - 3237:16, 3330:24
water [2] - 3165:3, 3257:14
ways [4] - 3226:21, 3239:17, 3267:15,
3297:25
weapons [1] - 3301:20
wear [1] - 3232:10
wearing [1] - 3272:15
Wednesday [8] - 3253:9, 3253:20,
3348:20, 3349:2, 3349:4, 3349:8,
3349:10, 3351:22
week [20] - 3164:12, 3240:7, 3240:10,
3250:11, 3250:12, 3251:20, 3251:24,
3252:1, 3252:2, 3253:18, 3253:19,
3254:17, 3254:18, 3255:5, 3260:3,
3260:17, 3321:10, 3321:15, 3322:12
week's [1] - 3253:12
weekend [2] - 3162:22, 3164:9
weeks [13] - 3169:25, 3172:13,
3172:16, 3172:17, 3172:18, 3172:22,
3173:6, 3173:9, 3173:14, 3173:19,
3184:1, 3236:10, 3309:7
weigh [1] - 3289:8
welcome [5] - 3227:22, 3228:11,
3228:20, 3257:21, 3258:9
welfare [1] - 3196:15
well-being [1] - 3194:23
west [2] - 3223:9, 3227:6
Westlaw [1] - 3224:21
Whalen [9] - 3152:23, 3306:3,
3307:18, 3307:22, 3343:23, 3346:2,
3350:6, 3351:9, 3351:13
WHALEN [36] - 3151:21, 3152:22,
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3164:20, 3174:3, 3180:2, 3195:19,

3196:2, 3197:17, 3201:5, 3216:12,
3228:17, 3254:4, 3254:9, 3255:20,
3258:3, 3305:25, 3306:4, 3306:14,
3306:17, 3307:1, 3307:5, 3307:15,
3307:24, 3309:16, 3310:10, 3317:13,
3319:2, 3343:5, 3343:14, 3344:20,
3345:6, 3346:4, 3347:22, 3351:14,
3351:20, 3353:14
whatsoever [3] - 3177:6, 3244:10,
3313:24
white [1] - 3201:15
whole [13] - 3159:18, 3183:16, 3222:3,
3226:20, 3246:6, 3256:4, 3269:2,
3291:2, 3320:6, 3327:13, 3332:9,
3337:17, 3337:20
wholesale [1] - 3330:18
wife [8] - 3338:7, 3338:8, 3338:11,
3338:21, 3338:24, 3339:4, 3339:8
wiggle [2] - 3321:19, 3321:20
William [1] - 3290:11
willing [3] - 3215:2, 3247:19, 3256:6
wire [6] - 3232:10, 3234:14, 3235:11,
3236:5, 3272:15
wise [1] - 3316:10
withdraw [2] - 3220:18, 3248:11
withdrawn [25] - 3166:11, 3166:22,
3172:21, 3173:18, 3176:2, 3185:13,
3185:15, 3211:21, 3216:6, 3232:13,
3237:8, 3270:2, 3272:25, 3274:5,
3274:12, 3276:13, 3288:6, 3289:24,
3290:10, 3296:13, 3297:14, 3299:8,
3302:20, 3309:17, 3316:5
withdrew [2] - 3156:3, 3220:17
WITNESS [32] - 3164:4, 3164:10,
3164:24, 3165:2, 3169:24, 3210:8,
3210:12, 3219:5, 3228:22, 3233:12,
3233:15, 3239:15, 3242:2, 3250:22,
3251:18, 3257:15, 3257:17, 3258:10,
3258:13, 3259:25, 3273:4, 3273:7,
3281:18, 3286:6, 3297:23, 3298:16,
3305:23, 3307:21, 3337:2, 3350:11,
3350:14, 3350:16
witness [42] - 3156:10, 3156:15,
3163:15, 3163:24, 3164:3, 3165:9,
3179:19, 3197:7, 3198:25, 3200:13,
3201:6, 3207:4, 3219:6, 3220:4,
3227:16, 3228:8, 3231:12, 3231:14,
3240:14, 3250:10, 3251:16, 3253:14,
3253:17, 3256:9, 3257:13, 3269:9,
3293:22, 3296:3, 3306:2, 3307:3,
3307:8, 3309:16, 3310:9, 3310:10,
3310:11, 3327:8, 3334:15, 3348:1,
3350:18, 3351:5
Witness [1] - 3307:6
witness' [5] - 3153:7, 3203:11,
3227:25, 3306:5, 3306:19
witnesses [11] - 3163:18, 3252:12,
3252:16, 3252:20, 3252:22, 3253:11,
3253:12, 3254:12, 3350:21, 3350:24,
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3351:25
woman [4] - 3215:1, 3215:9, 3215:12,
3215:13
wondering [2] - 3211:18, 3255:20
wood [5] - 3192:2, 3192:4, 3230:5,
3230:7, 3230:16
word [6] - 3267:13, 3267:14, 3286:17,
3286:18, 3300:6, 3332:13
words [5] - 3160:7, 3233:13, 3269:18,
3270:25, 3272:18
works [6] - 3239:4, 3239:5, 3239:7,
3239:11, 3256:2, 3303:10
World [3] - 3332:20, 3333:14, 3333:24
world [3] - 3182:18, 3266:13, 3267:6
Worldcom [1] - 3224:20
worried [2] - 3174:21, 3175:13
worries [1] - 3238:15
worth [3] - 3253:12, 3253:14, 3294:11
write [1] - 3239:24
writing [1] - 3196:5
wrongness [1] - 3225:24
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Wyck [1] - 3214:18
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year [3] - 3288:15, 3312:3, 3337:21
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3212:24, 3227:3, 3304:24, 3308:11,
3311:14, 3312:8, 3313:11, 3323:11,
3323:13, 3324:4, 3324:6
yesterday [1] - 3171:12
YORK [1] - 3151:1
York [28] - 3151:7, 3151:19, 3152:2,
3173:20, 3173:21, 3173:22, 3190:9,
3196:21, 3216:16, 3229:1, 3276:25,
3277:11, 3287:2, 3301:10, 3301:12,
3301:13, 3311:21, 3324:18, 3329:22,
3336:5, 3336:6, 3338:7, 3339:19,
3339:20, 3340:2, 3340:17, 3341:9,
3345:7
yourself [5] - 3185:24, 3206:5,
3283:11, 3286:2, 3346:15
yourselves [4] - 3218:17, 3251:2,
3305:6, 3349:19
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ZAINAB [1] - 3151:18
Zainab [1] - 3152:18
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Case 1:07-cr-00543-DLI Document 610 Filed 06/06/11 Page 1 of 230 PageID #: 5423

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,

July 12, 2010

For the Defendants:

MILDRED WHALEN, ESQ.

United States Courthouse

KAFAHNI NKRUMAH, ESQ.

Proceedings recorded by mechanical stenography, transcript

(The following occurred in the absence of the jury.)

Criminal cause on trial, docket number

07 CR 543, United States versus DeFreitas, et al.

Please state your appearances.

Jason Jones, Marshall Miller, Berit Berger and

Good morning, Your Honor.

Zainab Ahmad on behalf of the United States.

Detective Investigator Robert Addonizio at counsel table.

For Mr. DeFreitas?

Mildred Whalen and Len Kamdang for Mr. DeFreitas,

Good morning, Your Honor.

who is seated with us at counsel table.

Good morning to all of you.

For Mr. Kadir?

Toni Messina with Abdul Kadir at the table.

Good morning, Judge.

expecting Mr. Nkrumah at any moment.

I have been handed up a total of

four transcripts, courtesy copies apparently of transcripts

that might be used by Ms. Messina to refresh the witness'

That is correct, Judge.

I have handed those as well to the People.

I'm sorry, I keep saying that, to the government.

asked them and they have -- I think they have consented, if

dates, he may -- we might save some time in

refreshing -- instead of refreshing his recollection as we go.

We leave it to Your Honor as to how --

recollection -- this is assuming that he doesn't recall the

events in question -- I don't think it is appropriate to show

him this first.

any conversation that's in evidence, any tape recording that's

I gather that only one of these is related to

That is correct, Judge.

I don't think that that's the

appropriate procedure at all, to show this to him in advance

when he hasn't even said that that he needs his recollection

Your Honor, for the record, I think -- I

don't think any of those four are in evidence.

of those recordings that -- from my understanding, the

recordings that Ms. Messina would like to deal with, none of

those were put into evidence by the government.

I have one that is marked "continued."

i am assuming that's what this means, 223 T.

I believe defense counsel is going

to be moving to put in the remainder of a conversation which

we did not put in and which was the subject of prior

We've had a lot of conversations that

were the subject of prior litigation.

My question is whether this is part of

Your Honor, I don't want to make

defense's motion for them.

My understanding is that they want

to put in as -- the second half, which has been placed before

the -- of Mr. Kadir's motion to preclude certain portions of

You may remember, this was the motion, part of