Professional Documents
Culture Documents
Controllers:Directvs.ReverseActingControl
LOGIN | REGISTER
MENU
Home/Articles/2014/Controllers:Directvs.ReverseActingControl
ValveFailurePositionandControllerActionsAreIndependentlyDetermined.InThisArticleour
ExpertsTackleThemSeparately
ByBelaLiptak
Mar14,2014
Print
Tweet
Share
AAAA +
ThiscolumnismoderatedbyBlaLiptk,automationandsafetyconsultantandeditoroftheInstrument
andAutomationEngineersHandbook(IAEH).Ifyouhaveanautomationrelatedquestionforthis
column,writetoliptakbela@aol.com.
Q:AsIunderstandit,ifthecontrolleroutputincreaseswhenthemeasurementvaluerises,itisadirect
actingcontroller,andifcontrolleroutputdecreaseswhenthemeasurementrises,itisareverseacting
controller.Inaddition,atminimumoutputofthecontroller,thedesiredfailsafeactionmustbeachieved.
Forexample,ifwehavetwocontrollersonadistillationcolumnrefluxandnetoverheadwherethe
refluxcontrolvalveisfailopen,andnetoverheadcontrolvalveisfailclose,therefluxcontrollerwillbe
reverseacting,andthenetoverheadcontrollerwillbedirectacting.Ismyunderstandingcorrect?
VasantWarke
vasant.warke@ril.com
A:Valvefailurepositionandcontrolleractionsareindependentlydetermined,therefore,let'stalkabout
themseparately.
http://www.controlglobal.com/articles/2014/controllersdirectvsreverseactingcontrol/?show=all
1/8
3/25/2015
Controllers:Directvs.ReverseActingControl
Valvefailurepositionisdeterminedbysafetyconsiderations.If,incaseoffailure,youwantyourcolumnto
goonfullreflux,yourselectionisright(Figure1).Assumingthatthevalveactuatorsarespringoperated
pneumaticones(youdidnotsaywhattheywere),andassumingthatyoudefine"failure"asthelossofair
supply,thespringwillacttoopenafailopen(FO)valveandtocloseafailclosed(FC)valve,regardless
whatthecontrolleractionsare.(IneglecttomentiontheroleofpositionersbecauseIdon'tliketouse
themonflowcontrolvalvesbecausetheycanbeslowerthantheflowprocessand,therefore,theycan
causecycling.)
Naturally,thecontrolsystemshowninthefigureisaverysimpleone(doesnothingaboutinteractions,
etc.),butitissufficientforexplainingtheissueathand.
BlaLiptk
liptakbela@aol.com
A:Directactionmeansthatthecontrolleroutputrisesifthemeasurementincreases.Indirect(reverse)
http://www.controlglobal.com/articles/2014/controllersdirectvsreverseactingcontrol/?show=all
2/8
3/25/2015
Controllers:Directvs.ReverseActingControl
actionmeansthatthecontrolleroutputdropswhenthemeasurementrises.
AlPawlowski,PE
avp2@almont.com
AlsoRead"ConsiderationsforSelectingaControllerorServerBasedBatchSequencer"
A:Notquiteright.Thecontrolvalvefailureaction(andsometimesthevalvepositioneraction)isalso
relevant.Toensurethatyouhaveanoverallnegativefeedback,youneedtofollowtheentireloopfrom
sensor(increase/decreaseoutputasvariableincreases)throughthecontroller(whereyoucanreverse
thegain)tothepositioner(normallydirectaction,butfoolishfolkssometimestrytohidemistakesthereby
reversingoutput)tovalve(doesincreasingstempositionincreaseordecreasethemeasuredvariable?).
IanH.Gibson
gibs0108@optusnet.com.au
A:Thecontrolleractionisrelativetothedefinitionoftheerror.Iferror=setpointprocessvariable,then
areverseactingcontrollerwillcausetheprocessvariabletodecreasewhenthecontrolleroutput
increases,andviceversa.
Valvefailpositionisnotafunctionofthecontroller,butafunctionofsafety,orzeroenergyincaseofa
failureintheenergysupplytothefinalcontrolelement.DCSshavedifferentwaystodealwithfailposition
andcontrolleraction,andtheconfigurationshouldbemadeaccordingtowhatmakesensetothe
operation.
SigifredoNino
SNino@SummaControlSolutions.com
A:Iusuallyliketolookattheerrorreadinginthecontroller,meaningthedifferencebetweensetpointand
processvariable.Ifanincreaseinerrorincreasesthecontrolleroutput,it'sdirectacting.Ifincreasein
errorcausescontrolleroutputtodecrease,it'sareverseactingcontroller.
HitenA.Dalal,PE,PMP
hiten_dalal@kindermorgan.com
A:ThequestionIalwaysaskis:whenthemeasurementincreases,whatdoesthecontrolleroutputneed
todotobringitbacktosetpoint?Forexample,ifabackpressurecontroller(whereacontrolvalveopens
todecreasethepressuremeasuredupstreamofit)seesariseinpressure,itshouldincreaseitsoutput.
Increasemeasurement/increaseoutputis"increase/increase"ordirectacting.
Incontrast,nearlyeveryflowcontrollerI'veseenis"increase/decrease"orreverseacting.Mr.Warke's
refluxloopwouldbereverseacting.Wewantthevalvetobe"closed"whenthecontrolleroutputis0%and
"open"whenitis100%,regardlessofthevalve'sfailureposition.Thismakesitconsistentfortheoperator.
Sowhenthecontrollerseesanincreaseinflow,itmustdecreaseitsoutput(closethevalve)toreturnitto
setpoint.
Idon'tthinkyoucangeneralizeintermsofapplication.Eventhoughadirectactingflowloopisrare,you
coulddesignoneorencounterone.Ifweweredealingstrictlywitholdpneumaticsorselfcontained
mechanicalcontrollers,thenyourrefluxexamplewouldbe"directacting."Thepneumaticcontrollerwould
havetoincreaseitssignalinresponsetoanincreaseinflow.
http://www.controlglobal.com/articles/2014/controllersdirectvsreverseactingcontrol/?show=all
3/8
3/25/2015
Controllers:Directvs.ReverseActingControl
Alevelcontroller,whoseoutputcontrolsthevalveonthetankinlet,isreverseacting,butifthevalveison
theoutlet,itbecomesdirectacting.Atemperatureapplicationcanbecontrollingcoolingwatertoan
exchanger(direct)oracoolingwaterbypass(reverse)Ican'tthinkofawaytomakeuparuleforaclerk
oracomputeralgorithmthatstatessomesimple"ifthis,thenthis"fordirectorreverseacting.MaybeI'm
slow,butIstillhavetothinkthrougheachapplication.
JohnRezabek
jrezabek@ashland.com
A:Ibelieveyouhaveyourcauseandeffectbackward.Thinkonlyofthecontroller.Considertheinput
(processvariable)tothecontrollerasthecauseandthecontrolleroutputastheeffect.Ifthecontrolleris
setfordirectacting,thenanincreaseinPVwillcausetheoutputtoincrease.Ifthecontrollerissetfor
reverseacting,anincreaseinPVwillcausetheoutputtodecrease.
Tomakethecorrectsettingfordirect/reverseacting,youhavetoconsidertheprocesseffectalltheway
fromthecontrolleroutputtotheprocessvariable.Doesacontrolleroutputcausethevalvetoopenor
close?Somevalvesarefailopensomearefailclosed.DoesanincreaseinvalvepositioncausethePV
togouporgodown?Openingasteamvalvetoaheatexchanger(HX)wouldcausetheHXoutput
temperaturetorise,whereasopeningacoolingwatervalvewouldcausetheHXoutputtemperaturetogo
down.
Insummary,consideringalltheeffectsbetweenthecontrolleroutputandthePV,ifanincreasein
controlleroutputcausesthePVtorise,oradecreaseincontrolleroutputcausesthePVtofall(thatis,the
PVmovesinthesamedirectionasthecontrolleroutput),thentheprocesscanbecalleddirectacting,so
thecontrollershouldbesetfortheopposite,reverseacting.Thus,ifaprocessdisturbancecausesthePV
torise,thereverseactingcontrollerwilldecreaseitsoutput.Consequently,thisdecreaseincontroller
outputwillcausethedirectactingprocessvariabletodecrease,thusmovingitintheoppositedirection
fromthatwhichcausedthedisturbance.
HaroldWade
Hlwade@aol.com
A:Ibelievethatyourunderstandingofdirect/reverseactingappliedtocontrolvalvesiscorrect.However,
thefailsafeactionhasnothingtodowithdirect/reverseaction.Thefailureactionisdictatedpurelybythe
positionofthespringagainstwhichthepneumaticdiaphragmoperatesinthecontrolvalveactuator.
They'redefinedindependentlywhenthecontrolvalveisspecified(failsafeaction)andagainduring
configurationofthecontrolvalvepositionerorthecontrolleroutputtingtothecontrolvalve(direct/reverse
acting).
DickCaro
RCaro@CMC.us
http://www.controlglobal.com/articles/2014/controllersdirectvsreverseactingcontrol/?show=all
4/8
3/25/2015
Controllers:Directvs.ReverseActingControl
Loginforcompleteaccess.
Comments
SubmittedbyAnimeshJainonWed,02/04/201500:19
IhaveaqueryhereiftheresponseoftherefluxFCcontrollersistoincreasetherefluxflowthrough
theirvalvesasthemaster(TCorLC)raisestheirsetpoint,thenareweallowedtohavetherefluxFlow
valvetobeFailclose?
ThereasonIamaskingthisquestionistheprimeintentionofrefluxcontrolhereistomaintainthe
temperaturewithinthedistillationcolumn,andifwechoosetohaveourrefluxflowvalvetobeFail
close,thatcouldbeunsafefortheprocess.Pleaseindicateifmyunderstandingiscorrect?
Also,inthearrangementgiven,canweuseratiocontrollerfortheFlowvalvesoneithersideof
downstreamofrefluxdrum.Becauseanywaytemperaturecontrolwouldrequiremoreofrefluxback
intothecolumn,andontheotherhandanyexcessofrefluxgoingtothecolumnwillbethethroughput
ofcolumn.
Reply
SubmittedbykhalednabilsyonThu,03/19/201516:12
ihadmycontrolclasstodayanditwasquitedifferent>>iftheoutputsignalincreasesandtheinput
signalincreasesit'scallesdirect>>butiftheoutputsignalincreasesandtheinputsignaldecreasesit's
calledreverse>>butireallyneedhelpunderstandingthesedefinitionsbysimpleexamplesifthereis
anyplease
Reply
RSSfeedforcommentsonthispage|RSSfeedforallcomments
http://www.controlglobal.com/articles/2014/controllersdirectvsreverseactingcontrol/?show=all
5/8
3/25/2015
Controllers:Directvs.ReverseActingControl
Related Content
Special rules for tuning level controllers (Part-1)
InPartIofhisarticleontuninglevelcontrollers,processcontrolconsultantF.G.Shinskeypointsoutthat
lossoflevelcontrolscankillaprocessinaheartbeat,sotuningthemproperlyshouldbeapriority.
ThisinstallmentofAskTheExpertsfocusesonbestflaregasmeasuringdevicesandhowtokeepliquid
outoftheservicelines,andhowtosetupatrimcontrollertoachieveverytightcontrol.
Themannerinwhichameasuredprocessvariablerespondsovertimetochangesinthecontrolleroutput
signalisfundamentaltothedesignandtuningofaPIDcontroller.Thebestwaytolearnaboutthe
dynamicbehaviorofaprocessistoperformexperiments,commonlyreferredtoas"bumptests."Critical
tosuccessisthattheprocessdatageneratedbythebumptestbedescriptiveofactualprocessbehavior.
Discussedarethequalitiesrequiredfor"good"dynamicdataandmethodsformodelingthedynamicdata
forcontrollerdesign.Parametersfromthedynamicmodelarenotonlyusedincorrelationstocompute
tuningvalues,butalsoprovideinsightintocontrollerdesignparameterssuchasloopsampletimeand
whetherdeadtimepresentsaperformancechallenge.Itisbecomingincreasinglycommonfordynamic
studiestobeperformedwiththecontrollerinautomatic(closedloop).Forclosedloopstudies,the
dynamicdataisgeneratedbybumpingthesetpoint.Themethodforusingclosedloopdataisillustrated.
Conceptsinthisworkareillustratedusingalevelcontrolsimulation.
Most Popular
Past7Days
Past30Days
Past6Months
01
Safety Standards Must Be Made SimplerWho Should Have the "Last Word" on Safety, the
Machine or the Operator?
02
03
http://www.controlglobal.com/articles/2014/controllersdirectvsreverseactingcontrol/?show=all
6/8
3/25/2015
Controllers:Directvs.ReverseActingControl
in each project before commencing the commissioning of any system. It is time-consuming and
depends upon the completion of other systems like piping, electrical equipment, control valves
etc.
04
05
Controllers: Direct vs. Reverse-Acting ControlValve Failure Position and Controller Actions
Are Independently Determined. In This Article our Experts Tackle Them Separately
The 2015 Process Automation Hall of FameChemEs Sweep the FieldOur three honorees
found chemical engineering their gateway drug into process automation and a source of basic
process knowledge
About
ContactUs
Advertise
MediaKit
Rates&Spec
PrivacyPolicy
Legal/T&C
Content
Voices
Blogs
OutofControlCartoons
News
WhitePapers
Multimedia
Special Reports
Events
Products
TechnologyRoundups
Elits
Magazine
Subscribe
DigitalEdition
IssueArchive
http://www.controlglobal.com/articles/2014/controllersdirectvsreverseactingcontrol/?show=all
7/8
3/25/2015
Controllers:Directvs.ReverseActingControl
Reprints
Site Tools
Jobs
KnowledgeCenter
Microsites
CompanyProfiles
SiteMap
Stay Connected
MyAccount
Newsletters
SocialMedia
RSS
ContactUs|Advertise|PrivacyPolicy|LegalDisclaimers,Terms&Conditions
Copyright20042015ControlGlobal.Allrightsreserved.
P:6304671300|1501E.WoodfieldRoad,Suite400N,Schaumburg,IL60173
ChemicalProcessing|Control|ControlDesign|FoodProcessing|IndustrialNetworking|Pharmaceutical
Manufacturing|PharmaQBD|PlantServices|WellnessFoods
http://www.controlglobal.com/articles/2014/controllersdirectvsreverseactingcontrol/?show=all
8/8