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jimathan

Dec 20th, 2007 23:45

Petrol injectors. A Godsend or a nightmare!

Petrol injectors. A Godsend or a nightmare!

Dont ignore them, they wont go away. Read on. They can be sorted!
Injector cleaning and testing now available at down to earth prices!
I have tried to keep this post short but its not realy possible as I have added details not found in my previous post.
This is a follow-on from a previous post in that I have been asked to explain the need for keeping petrol injectors clean, the problems you will
encounter if you dont, and the service that I can now offer.
Petrol injectors are NOT fit and forget. They need maintenance just like any other component on your car. Even new ones are not
guaranteed to work correctly. New ones are shipped with corrosion inhibitors in them that dont always wash away when you start your
engine. Old ones have problems to. Over time they begin to clog up with varnish type deposits that have been left behind by the lead
replacement additives, along with other chemicals that are found in modern fuels.
Many experts agree that injectors need to be cleaned and checked for consistency every 25 to 30,000 miles. (Google it. Theres plenty of
info on the subject).
Certain types of engine installation make maters much worse, & in these the injectors will need cleaning more often.
For example. When the injectors are buried deep under cover, or located in such a way that there is little or no air flow around them. This is
because when you turn off the engine the injectors are left in poor airflow with little or no ventilation. This allows them to dry out and
bake on any deposits that have been left behind.
LPG is worse still because you are driving around without any fuel going through your injectors to aid in cooling.
All this can lead to injector fowling. Likely symptoms will be hesitation or poor acceleration, especially when cold, rough take up after
deceleration, loss of power, and poor economy.
This is how it works. Typical five cylinder Volvo.
The injector on cylinder no1 starts to clog up, just a little, lets not over do it.
The lambda censor now begins to see un burnt oxygen in the exhaust pipe; this is because you are still drawing in the correct amount of air.
The ECU (electronic control unit) now turns up the fuelling to compensate for the weak mixture until the excess oxygen is used up.
We now have the correct mixture on no1 cylinder. Problem is cylinders 2/3/4/& 5 are now being over fuelled. The result is poor economy and
loss of power because the engine is no longer running efficiently, not to mention what it is doing to the environment & your pocket!
So whats the answer?
Well most garages dont have the equipment to check & clean injectors. Most probably dont even know they can be cleaned. (or wont admit
to it) Most of them will tell you they are shot at and must be replaced. Ranging from 40 to 140, and even going to close on 200.00
each for some cars, plus vat, plus the mark up at the garage, plus fitting equals well out of pocket.
The truth is that 90% of all PETROL injector problems can be sorted if they are cleaned in the correct way using the correct equipment.
I recently had a problem with my 98 v70 AWD 2.5T that was injector related.
I found someone that specialises in checking & cleaning injectors. At 16.90 + vat each it wasnt cheep. But it solved the problem & the car
runs better than it ever did.
Being a retired engineer, and sick of being ripped off, I decided I was going to build a machine to do the job myself at regular intervals. (I run

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on LPG). Say no more.

After searching the net and acquiring all the knowledge I needed, I have built a machine for checking & cleaning injectors correctly. The
principle of operation is the same as many other commercially available machines costing upward of three or four grand. (Some cost
over ten grand.) It uses an electronic oscillator to simulate the cars ECU. It not only does this while testing the injectors, but also while
they are being cleaned in an ultrasonic cleaner, while at the same they are being back flushed under pressure to wash out any debris.
(back flushing under pressure is an option on most machines)
I CAN NOW OFFER A CHECK/CLEANING SERVICE
This will restore 90% of faulty injectors to their original specification.
The service will cost 6.00 per injector, + return P&P. (The same as it costs you to send them to me).
Injectors should be sent RECORDED DELIVERY, and Insured and well packed. All the injectors that are returned and stated to be in full
working order will be guaranteed to function correctly or your money back. If requested, a report can be included stating the condition
of the injectors before & after service. This is an AT COST service to the members of the forum, but please remember that its not just
Volvos that have injectors.
Any injectors not previously cleaned by me may require adaptors making to fit them on the machine. This only takes a day or les and
shouldnt be a problem. Most injectors can be returned same day.
Anyone interested can mail or PM me for further details.
Please see the pictures Below for details of the cleaning/ checking procedures.
All Injectors are pree cleaned in the ultrasonic cleaner before work commences. Most will arrive like this.

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Injector spray patterns are observed here. You can see no1 looks to be restricted, no2 is ok, & three four & five are restricted & just making
a fine mist.

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Now they are being flow tested. Note how uneven the flow rate is

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Here they are set up ready for cleaning.

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Then back into rig for observation. These look good now. All spraying the same.

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Then onto the flow test. This set looks good & needs no further cleaning. Note how the volume has increased on all five. These came from a
car that apparently didnt have a problem! (Not much)

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Bagged & ready to go. Job done!

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If you send them to me first class you will get them back the same way. I am looking out for a set of injectors to keep on stock. That
way I can offer a service exchange to minimize down time. Any questions, please dont hesitate to ask.
PS merry Christmas to you all
Jim.

liuleichan

Dec 21st, 2007 10:29

As well as saying thanks for providing a great service for the community, one thing I'd suggest as being good to do is provide these
before and after pictures for injectors that you service (it may need some additional fee to cover costs).
Then people can have an idea of the before and after situation - and the reason why I'm keen for this is that it will help owners from a
diagnostic perspective - if they know that something has definitely improved with their injectors - or conversely, that there was nothing
particularly wrong with their performance - it can help in having ideas for chasing minor gripes with engine performance / behaviour.
Personally, it would help me - when I send mine for service - to know how well they were performing before, and after, then I can
have an inkling what else to look at for minor issues.
And as an idea of how popular this offer seems to be, you've only got to look at the number of people who've thanked your post! ;-)

jimathan

Dec 21st, 2007 11:26

re pics

Hi all. Many thanks to you all for showing your appreciation. I have no problems with taking pics of the process. I will always send
back a written report stating volume before and after for each cylinder. If some one requests pictures with there order I will gladly
oblige.
Jim

jimathan

Dec 21st, 2007 12:04

re injectors

Just one thing I would like to point out. I would advise anyone considering using this service to get a new set of O rings (top &
bottom) from their local dealer. They only cost about a fiver for the lot. It is possible to re-use the old ones but not recommended. As
time goes on I will try and stock up on all the popular ones to make life easy.
TIP. When refitting the injectors, use a little Vaseline petroleum jelly on the O rings. This helps them slide in nice and easy and it
wont damage anything.
Jim

CTCNetwork

Dec 21st, 2007 13:05

Hi,
Originally Posted by jimathan
Just one thing I would like to point out. I would advise anyone considering using this service to get a new set of O rings (top &
bottom) from their local dealer. They only cost about a fiver for the lot. It is possible to re-use the old ones but not recommended. As
time goes on I will try and stock up on all the popular ones to make life easy.
TIP. When refitting the injectors, use a little Vaseline petroleum jelly on the O rings. This helps them slide in nice and easy and it
wont damage anything.
Jim
I would have though that the "O" rings and possibly the caps (where fitted) should be renewed following your excellent service..
You mention a rub with Vaseline to aid refitting (especially with the new "O" rings), but would a dab/rub with engine oil be as
good/effective??
Again you have my thanks for this service. Ace man.. :)

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I will be prep-ing my 940 injectors over the christmas period for your clean-up.. :)
Des. . . ;)

jimathan

Dec 21st, 2007 13:06

injectors

If anyone has any old injectors, regardless of condition that they would be prepared to donate that would realy help. If I can make up a
good set it would benefit those that are in a hurry as I could offer a service exchange. Obviously I would guarantee them so no worries
there. I will post this request in a new thread as well as it may get more attention, given that this one is rather long and may appear
rather boring to some.
Jim

jimathan

Dec 21st, 2007 13:49

O rings

clean engine oil would be fine. thanks for pointing that out
jim

jimathan

Jan 7th, 2008 23:12

96 850 T5 injectors now in stock. (orange tops) These will go on the rig ASAP and if all is A OK, they will be available for service
exchange or temporary swap when needed.
Jim

pjay

Jan 15th, 2008 18:15

:car: hi there, i have an 850se 10 valve 1995, it hasn't had the injectors looked at for i don't know how long, but it does seem to be a bit
sluggish, i know that the 10 valve one's are not exactly fast but are torquey at low revs but mine is not exactly smooth, i have been
advised to change my injectors but after seeing your post on here i would like to have mine cleaned and checked, can you tell me
whereabouts you are so i can send them to you,and what will be the costs, and can you tell me how long do you need them for, just so
i know how long i will be off the road, regards - pjay.:thumbs_up:

jimathan

Jan 15th, 2008 18:35

Hi peewee, im just outside Blackburn lancs. Time scale is in and out in one day. PM me for more info.
Regards jim

saturnuranus

Jan 17th, 2008 19:00

Wotcha folks! For the benefit of anyone considering cleaning their injectors, I would like to add my experience of Jims cleaning
service to this thread.
For starters, delivery time. As Jim has already stated, he cleans them on the same day he receives. I sent mine on a Tuesday
afternoon, and they arrived back with me on Thursday morning via Royal Mail Recorded 1st. Make sure you send them in a heavily
padded jiffy bag or preferably a box, as mine arrived at Jims slightly damaged. Lessons to be learnt!
Jim kept in touch throughout the cleaning process, and I have a picture of the flow-rate test before cleaning demonstrating that one of
my injectors was duff, so had to be replaced. Fortunately Jim had a spare, but I now owe him for that one!
Once I received them back, I spent the rest of the evening re-assembling my renewed PCV system and fitting my cleaned injectors. I
decided to replace the O-rings at the top and bottom of each injector and the small rubber washer that fits between the injector and the
rail. I got all these for 10 from my local stealer, which Jim said is a bit pricey. I'll go elsewhere next time!
Jim was eager for some feedback regarding improvements in stability and performance of my engine, so I took it out for a blast that
evening, only for a boost hose to pop off and the top hose to be leaking, which needed replacing. More lessons learnt!
After finally getting her roadworthy again, I was able to fully appreciate the magic of the work Jim had done. Straight away I noticed
the car idling perfectly . For 150,000 miles I expect the odd stutter or lump when idling, but nothing, nada! Taking it on the motorway
and a couple of dual carriageways I was able to relish the absence of an occasional misfire I used to get when accelerating from about
3/3.5k, not to mention vastly, and I mean vastly, improved power delivery. It's hard to describe, but immediately I found myself thinking

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this thing drives like new, it's great! She accelerates hard and smooth right round to the redline, as she should. Jims flow test showed
one of my injectors delivering around 60% more fuel than the other 4, which as he described, will cause the system to compensate for
the incorrect mixture by leaning it, meaning 4 cylinders are running lean and one is ok.
Lastly, fuel economy. I've been running round now for about a week with the computer reset, and doing my usual work run each day.
My average pre-cleaning was about 23mpg. The meter is currently telling me my average is 25.8mpg, and improvement of 2.8mpg. I
know these computers aren't perfect, but the journey I do is a pretty consistent sitting-in-a-jam affair, so the increase is quite believable
to me. I'll report back in a few weeks time once I've got a few more journeys under my belt.
Overall? Im impressed. Jim's service is quick, easy, cheap and personal. He called to confirm I had received the injectors back and
then gave me a full report on what he had found, and the work carried out. This all goes without saying that he's a jolly nice chap to
deal with!
For the sake of the 40 or so it's going to cost and the couple of hours work removing and refitting, it's well worth it. My dad was also
suitably impressed and will be sending his injectors to Jim within the next couple of weeks.
Bravo! :thumbs_up:

jimathan

Jan 17th, 2008 19:19

Very pleased for you. Nice to know its running so well. Sound s like its made a hell of a difference, considering you didnt realise you
had a problem in the first place! Nice one
Jim

pjay

Jan 18th, 2008 15:13

injectors

:animal-smiley-085:
Originally Posted by jimathan
Hi peewee, im just outside Blackburn lancs. Time scale is in and out in one day. PM me for more info.
Regards jim
hi again jimathan- i live fairly close by, is it possible that i could bring mine to you and then collect same day, i have my sons car for
the moment which by the way is a volvo 940s which if possible i would like done after i have my car back on the road, i will be more
than happy if it gives that little bit of extra power and helps with the mpg, if you wish i have a mobile number you can ring and we can
exchange addressesm so i can also arrange a mutual time for us to meet at yours, i am on 07731361843. cheers - pete.

jimathan

Jan 18th, 2008 15:38

PM sent
jim

CTCNetwork

Jan 18th, 2008 15:42

Hi,
My 940 injectors will be coming off this weekend so hopefully I can sort out the details for this at the weekend or early next week...
Des. . . ;)

jimathan

Jan 18th, 2008 16:30

No problems Des, when your ready

Jim

jimathan

Jan 24th, 2008 17:38

Many thanks to ctcnetwork. We now have a spare set of injectors for a 940.
Anyone wishing to do their 940 can now have these sent to them, to keep them on the road while theirs are being serviced.
Jim

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bb54

Jan 24th, 2008 21:36

hi Jim,does the regular use of fuel system/injector cleaners not sort out the varnish buildups leading to the problems you have
mentioned ?
wayne

jimathan

Jan 24th, 2008 21:59

Hi Wayne. Im sure it helps to some extent. What it wont do however is remove the particulates that build up in the filter within the
injector. They can only be removed by back flushing. Trust me on this, there is always loads of muck comes out. The fuel filters fitted to
modern cars are very good but they dont stop everything. In addition to the varnish type deposits, the moving parts of the injector
become sluggish. This can make them slow to respond, making them stay open longer, or stay closed for longer. One thing I have
noticed is that when they have been through the ultrasonic cleaner, they sound sharper or crisper. They also become more uniform
when pattern testing at minimum demand at high revs. Say for instance when you just put your foot gently on the gas pedal at high
speed. This makes the pick up smoother.
Think of it like flushing out a radiator. You can put all the correct chemicals in and drive around for a day or two, then flush it through
with clean water. Then, when you decide its still not write, you take it off, shake it, and back flush it. You always get some more crud
out of it.
Jim

jimathan

Jan 24th, 2008 22:10

One other thing to consider, fuel filters are usually 4 micron. Injector filters are much smaller, when you use additives to clean out the
fuel system, where does it all end up? Anything smaller than 4um will go strait past the fuel filter and get trapped by the filter in the
injector. If its smaller than the filter in the injector, think of the damage it does to the needle and pintle on its way through.

bb54

Jan 24th, 2008 22:29

Originally Posted by jimathan

Hi Wayne. Im sure it helps to some extent. What it wont do however is remove the particulates that build up in the filter within the
injector. They can only be removed by back flushing. Trust me on this, there is always loads of muck comes out. The fuel filters fitted
to modern cars are very good but they dont stop everything. In addition to the varnish type deposits, the moving parts of the injector
become sluggish. This can make them slow to respond, making them stay open longer, or stay closed for longer. One thing I have
noticed is that when they have been through the ultrasonic cleaner, they sound sharper or crisper. They also become more uniform
when pattern testing at minimum demand at high revs. Say for instance when you just put your foot gently on the gas pedal at high
speed. This makes the pick up smoother.
Think of it like flushing out a radiator. You can put all the correct chemicals in and drive around for a day or two, then flush it through
with clean water. Then, when you decide its still not write, you take it off, shake it, and back flush it. You always get some more crud
out of it.
Jim
cheers Jim,that wasnt a "im trying to catch you out" question by the way.
i regulary use injector cleaners as many people do and was wondering why these produdcts dont take care of my injectors.
i now know.
they only work in one direction :)
ill have mine in the post to you shortly mate.
i have a second set of blue injectors from a 96 auto T5, if they are of some use to you and you can do me a favour on the cleaning
price they are yours.
ill send you my spare ones for cleaning and if you want another set ill send you the ones that are on my motor at the moment.
giz a pm if you would like them.
wayne

jimathan

Jan 24th, 2008 22:41

Cheers Wayne. Ill read that again when IV had a drink lol! I lost count of the injectors there. Seriously, the more I get in stock, the less
inconvenience it will be to those that are in a rush. Pm sent

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jimathan

Jan 24th, 2008 22:56

Sending Injectors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please take note. To anyone sending injectors, will you please wrap them properly? They should be wrapped individually and taped,
then all wrapped together to prevent rattling around. Also take care removing the O ring from the nozzle end. Do NOT lever them over
the pintle cap! Finally, a return address would be most helpful.
Also can you please label any injectors you are donating accordingly otherwise you may get the wrong ones back. Thanks
Jim

Mark480

Jan 24th, 2008 22:58

I've got a set of 850 T5 injectors, will these be any use to you?

jimathan

Jan 24th, 2008 23:08

Yes thanks Mark, any and all are welcome. Someone will be in a rush for some one day and they will have you to thank for a quick
service/exchange. PM sent

pjay

Jan 25th, 2008 11:12

injector cleaning

VOLVO 850 se 1995 mileage 125000 :car::animal-smiley-085:

hi again jim, this is just to thank you most sincerely for the injector treatment and for letting me watch the whole process from start to
finish, i was amazed at how bad 2 of my injectors were but thanks to your system of cleaning and testing and how it was done i have to
say i thought it felt a little different when i drove away, but it came into it's own when i came into heavy traffic, no more juddering and
lag when i touch the throttle, and the economy i now have has been great, before i was lucky to get around 22-23 in town, but it
appears to be getting more like 27-30 and a lot smoother so it is a joy knowing that it is more affordable to run, i can't praise you
enough, hope to keep in touch, once again many thanks jim, i can see your system being a godsend to all other users not only volvo
but any injection system, i hope it works out for you, very best wishes - pete.:star::star::lightbulb:

jimathan

Jan 25th, 2008 11:41

Thanks for that Pete. Hope you find the MUPET that re-shaped your back bumper.
Jim

strbryan

Jan 26th, 2008 12:06

Hi Jim im located in Chorley is it possible i could deliver my injectors to you direct?

Many thanks Tony

jimathan

Jan 26th, 2008 12:27

Yes tony, any time

Pm sent

jimathan

Jan 26th, 2008 18:53

Thanks

Can I just say a big thanks to strbryan for his donation of two sets of injectors, (orange & blue tops) cheers mate, much appreciated
by all.
Jim

CTCNetwork

Jan 26th, 2008 19:22

Hi,
Just a quick note to say that Jim provided an excellent service and turn-a-round for my injectors.
They are now fitted back onto the car. Testing will follow the completion of the matrix!!
Thanks Jim....

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Des. . . ;)

craig8661

Jan 26th, 2008 19:56

hi there can you do desial injectors yet i got a set with over 230,000 miles on them

jimathan

Jan 26th, 2008 20:06

Sorry Craig, different process altogether but I may look into it sometime in the future
Jim

craig8661

Jan 26th, 2008 20:11

ok will keep eyes open for when you do

strbryan

Jan 27th, 2008 01:02

After reading this link http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=49683 that was posted on another forum i phoned jimathan to
get my injectors cheacked and cleaned
Not that i suspected anything wrong with them but for 6 each what can i lose?
When i arrived at jims house i was welcomed and a cup of coffee was soon negotiated
I was then showen to his little enginers work shop "a little boystoy heaven" my injectors where soon set up and tested to see how
they where performing
I was totaly shocked as only 2 where doing as they should 1 was passing fuel constantly and the other 2 where acting more like a jet
rather then a fine spray
Jim then tested them on idle upto 6000 rpms again on full load 1 wasnt working at all and the other 4 was having some sort of
spraying fit
So on to the ultrasonic bath to give them a full beep clean including a reverce clean
Now for a retest what a complete difference all 5 where acting as they should including the one that was passing fuel
I have now refitted the injectors and on start up i have noticed that my car now starts better and reves smother but i havent tacken it
for a test drive as half my dash is still not fitted due to a stereo upgrade
Verdict i am realy impressed although i have only seen them working on a bench but from what i have seen i am well pleased with
the results
Thanks to Jim for making the time to sort my injectors out
and to his wife for all the coffee

jajrst

Jan 27th, 2008 02:08

All seems very good :) Can you do this for a 1999 S80 2.4? TBH im not even sure it has injectors :S how silly do I feel? From what I
understand on VADIS it does. Hopefully would make the whole car run better. (Still in need of ETM, alarm siren and SRS control unit
and 4 new tyres so not the 1st priority im afraid but something I will want to do - 4 new tyres coming monday :lep_cool:)

CTCNetwork

Jan 27th, 2008 03:02

Hi,
Originally Posted by jajrst
All seems very good :) Can you do this for a 1999 S80 2.4? TBH im not even sure it has injectors :S how silly do I feel? From what I
understand on VADIS it does. Hopefully would make the whole car run better. (Still in need of ETM, alarm siren and SRS control unit
and 4 new tyres so not the 1st priority im afraid but something I will want to do - 4 new tyres coming monday :lep_cool:)
Yes, you'll have injectors...
But do you know how to remove them??
They will lie under the fuel rail... That will need to be removed, injectors unplugged and removed... etc..
It would also be worth getting new ring/seals for the injectors..
Des. . . ;)

Nuisance

Jan 27th, 2008 03:36

Originally Posted by strbryan

After reading this link http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=49683 that was posted on another forum i phoned jimathan

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to get my injectors cheacked and cleaned

Not that i suspected anything wrong with them but for 6 each what can i lose?
When i arrived at jims house i was welcomed and a cup of coffee was soon negotiated
I was then showen to his little enginers work shop "a little boystoy heaven" my injectors where soon set up and tested to see how
they where performing
I was totaly shocked as only 2 where doing as they should 1 was passing fuel constantly and the other 2 where acting more like a jet
rather then a fine spray
Jim then tested them on idle upto 6000 rpms again on full load 1 wasnt working at all and the other 4 was having some sort of
spraying fit
So on to the ultrasonic bath to give them a full beep clean including a reverce clean
Now for a retest what a complete difference all 5 where acting as they should including the one that was passing fuel
I have now refitted the injectors and on start up i have noticed that my car now starts better and reves smother but i havent tacken it
for a test drive as half my dash is still not fitted due to a stereo upgrade
Verdict i am realy impressed although i have only seen them working on a bench but from what i have seen i am well pleased with
the results
Thanks to Jim for making the time to sort my injectors out
and to his wife for all the coffee

Ahhh Yes Jim... I have a confession.

In a rather heated discussion on VPCUK about running injectors near their limits I posted a link to your pictures over here to illustrate
the dangers of not having enough resreve capacity.....
(BTW, Thanks for posting those pictures they are priceless information)
Then Tony followed it and arrived here....:wac_laugh::wac_laugh::wac_laugh:
Now look what's happened.........:wac_err::wac_err:
Anyway Glad it was of help to you both.
It's got me wondering though, Mine have been on for about 9 months now from new, in that time they have done about 35,000 miles
and had a fuel pump and engine change. Do you think it's worthwhile giving them a clean? or should I leave them a little longer?
I'm in Blackburn, so I could whip them out and cycle over to yours if it's worth cleaning them.
You're certainly getting to meet folks with this little scheme, it's a cracking idea!!
Cheers.
Joules.

Nuisance

Jan 27th, 2008 03:50

Well Jim, you've also opened a few peoples eyes.

I'm just thinking of all the basic so called "stage 0 tuning" were people are recomended to do basic things like plugs, leads, hoses,
and filters etc....
But never have I seen injector cleaning on the list. That looks like a big omission, surely before spending hundreds on getting a car
tuned one should really have a nice clean set of injectors. Otherwise it's going to compromise the performance, especially on a highly
tuned car.
I think all stage 0 tuning guides will now be re-written, Thanks Jim!

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jimathan

Jan 27th, 2008 11:00

Hi Nuisance. Do you know what? I think you just hit the nail on the head. I never thought of it like that but your bang on there. We
think nothing of spending 30.00 on plugs, another 50.00 on dizzy caps, rotor arms, oil & filters; so realy it is a bit of a no brainer if you
dont have the injectors checked. If only for peace of mind.
Personally, after having seen the results I would be having them checked at every 20.000 miles. You wouldnt leave your plugs and
filter that long would you?
Thanks guys for all the positive feedback.
Jim

Engineer

Jan 27th, 2008 17:11

Nice work it will save people money, however before you all rush off your injectors for testing / cleaning heres a few thoughts.
1. Injectors have been removed from 100K plus cars when something else has let go and found to be performing as new.
2. New ones tested didnt.
3. I tested mine at 76K prior to mapping etc. and they were on the button.
4. Fuel quality is important.
5. Injector usage cycles are important (as mentioned with regard to LPG).
You might also find the following links worth a look.
http://www.owendevelopments.co.uk/tu...-servicing.asp
http://www.asnu.com/videos.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUPqr...eature=related
Happy squirting

jajrst

Jan 28th, 2008 11:31

Originally Posted by CTCNetwork

Hi,
Yes, you'll have injectors...
But do you know how to remove them??
They will lie under the fuel rail... That will need to be removed, injectors unplugged and removed... etc..
It would also be worth getting new ring/seals for the injectors..
Des. . . ;)
I realise now it was quite a silly question lol! I kinda know how to do it with some help from vadis :P It says I should drain the petrol
through the valve on the right hand side of the fuel rail?! Do I really have to and if so how would I go about doing that? Thanks

jimathan

Jan 28th, 2008 11:36

Someone will correct me if im wrong but the pressure usually drops off by itself after a short while. After that you only loose an eggcup
full
jim

CTCNetwork

Jan 28th, 2008 11:46

Hi,
I was under the impression (wrongly perhaps) that the rail should maintain a certain amount of pressure.

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But yes, you can bleed off fuel through the Schrader valve on the rail... :)
Do resist the urge to smoke whilst doing this, won't you...
Des. . . ;)

jimathan

Jan 28th, 2008 11:54

Hi Des, alls well I hope. You are rite, the rail does hold pressure but given that you cant compress liquid, its not much. Just the
expansion of the flexi pipes. I think
Jim

Mike B

Jan 28th, 2008 12:16

Fuel

Originally Posted by CTCNetwork

Hi,
I was under the impression (wrongly perhaps) that the rail should maintain a certain amount of pressure.
But yes, you can bleed off fuel through the Schrader valve on the rail... :)
Do resist the urge to smoke whilst doing this, won't you...
Des. . . ;)
But it will help you give up LOL
Mike B

pjay

Jan 29th, 2008 22:26

injectors`

Originally Posted by jimathan

Hi peewee, im just outside Blackburn lancs. Time scale is in and out in one day. PM me for more info.
Regards jim

:party:hi jim, can i ask if you could do me another set from an850cd,and if so can i bring them over now i know where you live, this
set is from a volvo my son has just bought, so i would be grateful if they could be done asap, i only collect the car tomorrow so they will
be taken out on friday and brought over to you on sat or sun whichever is best for you,regards-peewee.
p.s. thank your wife for the coffee's she provided for me last time,

jimathan

Jan 29th, 2008 22:39

Hi Pete.
PM sent
jim

jimathan

Jan 31st, 2008 14:39

Royal Mail

Evening all. A question has arisen regarding liability in the event that injectors being returned via Royal Mail go missing. As this is a
none profit making service I do not want to be held responsible for: nor can I afford to pay the replacement cost of injectors if they
should go astray. Because of this all injectors will now be returned by special delivery with extended insurance up to the value of
2500.00 this will also guarantee next day delivery, and the charge for this will be 6.50. Please take this into account when toting up.
Regards Jim

mac2542

Jan 31st, 2008 16:24

Injectors

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Jiim Thanks for an excellent service. Transaction carried out in the timescale as stated. They are now fitted and tested. Although I
thought the car ran OK before it now runs smoother and quieter now. And from Jim's report they really did have to be cleaned. So my
advice to anybody is to have them done. The cost of having them done is negligible. You will soon recoup the cost by better mpg.

itguy

Feb 2nd, 2008 19:25

Well I went and visited Jim today and it was a very informative and interesting session in his workshop.
Great service, and although when initially tested my injectors (orange 850T5 bosch's) were flowing not too bad, the spray pattern was
a bit random across the 5.
30 mins in the cleaner and then another test - wow! totally sorted the spray pattern and after 6 full cycles of throughput on the
testtubes (low speed, high flow) they all flowed an identical amount.
Got home, popped em back in, ECU reset and viola! smooth running and great throttle pickup.
It will be a little while (week or two) before the ECU has settled down enough to tell if it has cured my slightly hesitant part throttle
when cold issue, but at least now I know it won't be the injectors at fault.
Thanks Jim for a great service.
Will.

jimathan

Feb 2nd, 2008 19:55

Hi Will, nice to meet you both by the way, glad I could be of help. As you say quite rightly, the injectors didnt appear to be that bad.
They did appear quite closely matched on the flow test, if not perfect on the pattern test. Do you think there is a genuine, noticeable
improvement to the throttle response and the overall smoothness? I must admit after the cleaning they all flow tested bang on.
Regards Jim

irf

Feb 2nd, 2008 22:17

jim, just to let you know i'll be in touch very soon for you to do mine. i have some green injectors that i'm not 100% sure on what size
they are. presumably you'll be able to tell me so that there's no doubt.
be in touch soon by PM.
cheers

itguy

Feb 2nd, 2008 22:33

Jim - certainly feels a bit smoother and more 'crisp'. Econonmy etc will have to wait for a week or two to tell.

jimathan

Feb 2nd, 2008 23:19

Cheers Will thanks for that. Im not realy surprised. On the odd set that I have done where little or no apparent improvements have
taken place, people are still reporting quieter, smoother engines combined with slightly better mpg.
Jim.

jimathan

Feb 2nd, 2008 23:26

Hi IRF. No problem servicing them. The test fluid has a different specific gravity to that of petrol and I havent been able to find a
conversion chart yet but I am working on it, so giving an accurate displacement at this time is not posible
Jim

itguy

Feb 3rd, 2008 07:36

Looks like i've got about a 200 mile round trip to do today, probably with lots of 60mph cruise in there (damn speed cameras!) so
should be able to get a good idea of the closed loop performance as the ECU learns etc

Engineer

Feb 3rd, 2008 18:08

Originally Posted by jimathan

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Hi IRF. No problem servicing them. The test fluid has a different specific gravity to that of petrol and I havent been able to find a
conversion chart yet but I am working on it, so giving an accurate displacement at this time is not posible
Jim
You sure about this conversion chart jimathan considering the variables that exist under actual test conditions? ;)
Cheers

jimathan

Feb 3rd, 2008 18:40

Youre absolutely right. Variations in atmospheric pressure, temperature, & humidity would all influence the outcome. So at best the
readings would be an approximation. However they should be close enough to be able to identify a particular type of injector, rather
than saying this injector is displacing exactly the right amount If you get my drift.
jim

Engineer

Feb 3rd, 2008 20:05

Originally Posted by jimathan

Youre absolutely right. Variations in atmospheric pressure, temperature, & humidity would all influence the outcome. So at best the
readings would be an approximation. However they should be close enough to be able to identify a particular type of injector, rather
than saying this injector is displacing exactly the right amount If you get my drift.
jim
Sure do Jim, and youre offering a great service, so without trying to teach you how to suck eggs just be careful if you decide to quote
flow rates on your reports.
Cheers

jimathan

Feb 3rd, 2008 23:38

Hi dooby. Pm sent
jim

jimathan

Feb 4th, 2008 00:16

Hi Ali PM sent
jim

jimathan

Feb 4th, 2008 23:36

Syzzler Pm sent
jim

Rob850

Feb 5th, 2008 21:24

850 T5 injectors

Greetings, folks.
Saw Jim a few weeks ago and left a set of injectors (Bosch orange). Picked them up the following day and finally found some time to
fit them. Vehicle was transformed and doubtless will improve further, once the ECU realises what's happened. Still with 263k on the
clock and no indication that the injectors had been touched you'd expect some difference! The man is fantastic and is providing a great
service. Take his advice and get 'em cleaned! See you soon Jim.

jimathan

Feb 5th, 2008 23:58

Thanks very much for that Rob, much appreciated. Nice to know im making a difference.
Jim

jimathan

Feb 6th, 2008 14:52

o Rings Now On Stock

Well nearly
It seems to me more and more people are getting ripped off when it comes to getting O rings for there injectors.
The prices being charged can vary from a few pence to over 1.67 + vat each. This is not acceptable. I understand also that it is

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proving very inconvenient and a waste of precious time for some people because more than not the dealers have to order the O rings
in. In an effort to save people time and inconvenience I have now been able to source a supply of GENUINE Volvo O rings at the rite
price. I dont know if I will be able to get a repeat order at a favourable price as they may get wise and hike the price. I am expecting a
delivery of 100 O rings by Monday at the latest. Price is 0.50 pence per O ring and there are two on each injector. These are
available to everyone while stocks last.
Jim

ovlov25

Feb 6th, 2008 15:25

Jim
Sounds like a great service you are offering!!
Can you PM me with details on doing the injectors in my 854 T5??
Lead time, cost etc including supply of new O-rings. If we could do this next week that would be great!
Thanks
William.

jimathan

Feb 7th, 2008 13:18

Good News Everyone

Look what the postman brought for us today

Jim

ovlov25

Feb 7th, 2008 13:23

o-rings :thumbs_up:

john d

Feb 9th, 2008 19:49

Another satisfied customer

I've just had my injectors cleaned by Jim, and I must say he's offering a first class service.
Once the injectors got to Jim, he cleaned them, renewed the "O" rings and posted them back to me the same day. They arrived the
following morning, I fitted them this morning and I can already detect a distinct improvement, even on local stop-start driving.
Jim sent me photos of the "before" and "after", and also emailed a report of the process. He also kept in good contact via email and it
almost felt like I'd taken them in person.
I won't go into details regarding the cock-up's perpetrated by the main dealer I bought the "O" rings from, or the Post Office in fouling
up their "guaranteed next day delivery" of the injectors to Jim, but the contrast between these muppetts and Jim was like comparing the
Bash Street 2nd fifteen with the All Blacks.
If you're thinking of having your injectors cleaned, and the logic for doing it is flawless, then Jim will do the job for you professionally,
quickly and with great good grace.
Thanks, Jim.

John

Nuisance

Feb 16th, 2008 03:26

Originally Posted by john d

If you're thinking of having your injectors cleaned, and the logic for doing it is flawless, then Jim will do the job for you professionally,
quickly and with great good grace.

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Thanks, Jim.

John
Having been in Jim's workshop as he did s60ben's injectors I can only emphasize the above comment.
A true engineer and craftsman, a breed that is so lacking in todays business world.
The test, and cleaning rig far exceeds the standard of what most commercial outfits use, and the entire job is indeed done with
professionalism, expertese and good grace.
My injectors are only about 10 months old, but having seen Ben's experience I too will be dropping them off round at Jim's.

RealEstate

Feb 17th, 2008 18:40

Injector Q's: How many Injector seals? Injector cap?

Jim,
By way of clarification for those of us removing our injectors, please could you advise:
1. How many seals should each injector have?
My 940 injectors have:
Two O-rings - 1 at the top, 1 at the bottom (same size?).
One rectangular seal in the Bosch multi-way electrical connector (flew out when I disconnected it).
I have seen mention in various places of a further 'thin' seal between injector top and the fuel rail (mine didn't have this).
2. Injector cap?
I have read of the injector cap needing to be replaced, eg see http://www.mikeponte.com/volvo/injectors.htm
Can you clarify this?
3. Can we reuse our old spring clips at the fuel rail?
Many thanks.
I'm looking forward to getting mine cleaned,
Ben

jimathan

Feb 17th, 2008 19:09

Hi Ben, clarification as requested.

Please read the following before removing the fuel rail and injectors.
The layout may vary from car to car but the principle is the same.
First, make sure the engine is cold.
Secondly, before removing the fuel pipe from the fuel rail, put a rag under and around it as best you can. (A small release of fuel is
normal when you undo the connection).
When removing the electrical connector from the injector, take care not to loose the rubber seal from within. Normally this stays put
with the connector but occasionally it can fall out
When removing the fuel rail and injectors from the manifold, dont wag it around, keep it as strait as you can. The O rings do grab
hold quite tight and it will require quite some force to move it. Too much bending or waging it around may damage the pintle caps. A
little penetrating oil may help. Dont spray too much around the injectors so as to get them swimming. If you do, when they come out,
any dirt that has gathered will become fluid and wash down into the manifold.
A drop of oil on a cotton bud or rag raped round a small flat blade screwdriver can be used to clean out any dirt left behind. It is
important to keep this area clean.
Differing methods are used to retain the injectors in the rail. Providing the fastenings are undamaged they can be reused.
There are two O rings on each injector. One top and one bottom. Both same size.
Some times, they can be left behind after the injector has been taken out of the rail or the manifold. Removing the loose O ring is

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easy; just hook it out with something that wont scratch. In addition to this, on some of the 850 models there is a dust seal located at the
top of the injector. Usually a large round blue one. These do drop off so take care; they are 10.00 each if you loose them. They are
not fitted on later models as they were not really necessary.
I now have new O rings and can fit these for you if you wish. If you want to fit your own, take great care when removing the one at the
tip of the injector. Do NOT lever it over the pintle cap as the cap may be damaged. The pintle caps that hold the spacer and the O rings
in place are NOT available in the UK and therefore should not be removed. I am expecting a supply from the US any day now just in
case they are required. When refitting the injectors, a drop of clean engine oil on the O rings will help them go back in smoothly. Take
care not to damage the O ring.
I think that should cover it. If I have left anything out, please feel free to add your contribution.
PS NO SMOKING
If you do smoke, blocked or faulty injectors may be the least of your problems.
Jim

RealEstate

Feb 18th, 2008 00:31

Inlet manifold cleaning

Jim,
Many thanks for the helpful clarifications. One or two mysteries now solved!
Ref keeping the manifold clean, I had a pm earlier with Mike Brace, who suggested that it wouldn't be much more work to remove the
inlet manifold on a redblock to clean it, thus ensuring no debris in the inlet ducts. Also older cars often benefit from a new inlet gasket,
as air leaks are quite common. However I'll resist temptation to change the coolant temp sensor, flame trap,...!
I'm looking forward to getting it all back together!
Thanks again for the great service you're providing.
Ben

Alan M

Feb 22nd, 2008 19:44

Just to let the prospective customers of Jim and his services know, the work he undertook for myself was fast, cheap and he kept me
informed of all the way regarding times and condition of my injectors. The guy is an absolute gent as many of the people on here will
know and his work will speak for itself once you get the injectors back on your car. Thanks again Jim.

itguy

Feb 22nd, 2008 19:46

Alan - you notice a difference and what improvement did you get?

john h

Feb 24th, 2008 09:50

A challenge...?

Hi Jim,
By all accounts, a brilliant service you are offering. Well done.
I have a question for you, and perhaps an engineering challenge...
Reading all the glowing reports, I'd really like to get the benefits of your expertise on my 1973 164E. It has done 80k miles and,
judging by the rock-hard injector pipes I replaced, it probably hasn't had the injectors cleaned for a third of a century! It runs quite well,
but starting, low speed running and throttle response are not "crisp".
Are you able to clean the old-style Bosch injectors? These mount directly into the cylinder head. The engine bay picture below shows
the injectors (the photo is a '75 US spec 164, but injectors are the same). If necessary I can bring the car over for you to have a look; I
am not far away.
All injection 140s, 160s and P1800s use these injectors, so there will probably be a market of classic Volvo drivers there! If there's a
cost in adapting your cleaning kit, I would be happy to contribute.

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Many thanks
John

jimathan

Feb 24th, 2008 10:02

Hi John, im always up for a challenge. Any chance you can get your hands on a spare injector for me. That way I can make
something up to adapt it to the rig. They are very different and it may take a day or two.
jim

s60ben

Feb 24th, 2008 10:37

I've taken my time before I wrote this post, and for a reason :)
Myself and Nuisance went over to Jims with my injectors in hand.
I've got an 05 V70 T5, and it's done some miles.
Strangely enough, there was an occasional misfire on idle, not really noticeable, and certainly not bad enough to set codes, however
I'd noticed it on Cyl 3 whilst playing with the VCT's monitoring function and noticed that Cylinder 3's misfire counter occasionally was
creeping up I couldn't tell myself, but the car certainly knew.
I'd done everything else I could think of, coil packs diagnosis, plugs etc etc all to no avail.
Mole mentioned that the only real thing left was the injectors, so off I duly went.
We arrived at Jims, were made very welcome, and were ushered into his grotto of toys for big boys, we got fed copious amounts of
tea by his wife whilst watching him do his stuff.
At every stage he explained the reasons and the why's for what he was doing, nothings secret and he's not interested in hiding what
he's doing, which to me says a couple of things, namely he knows what he's doing and isn't afraid of questions. He's got a lot of
absolutely top notch kit to do it with as well.
Originally the pattern of the sprays on them was less than ideal to be quite frank! and after cleaning, flushing, cleaning, flushing
etc...that was sorted.
Well after more than a few hours, we'd noticed that on the flow test one of the injectors was consistently flowing less than the others.
At this point I mentioned to him that I reckoned it was the injector from cylinder 3 and explained why I'd made that observation, luckily
I'd decided to mark each of the injectors as I took them out (scratched the number onto the connector part) and as soon as he could we
had a look at the number.
Sure enough it was marked 3..... well, he tried everything but it just wouldn't have it, so I picked up my mobile and ordered a nice new
one from the dealers, I don't tend to mess about like that, if it needs one it gets one and I wasn't going to use one from a scrappers
Needless to say, after fitting the injectors and the new one, the car is transformed, it runs much smoother, at first I wasn't sure if it
was a "placebo effect" , but that certainly isn't the case. Also on monitoring the misfire counters, there is now no longer any increase of
the count. Plus the "old" ones look no different to the new one they are that clean...
Job sorted :D
A big thank you to Jim (and his wife for putting up with us) , Jim is an outstanding engineer (and a proper old school engineer) . My
head and ears rang all night though, I'm convinced my brain had also been "cleaned" LOL
For the price of 30 for a set of 5, It's not even worth thinking "should i?", just do it.

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Just a small hint, as you take your injectors out, mark the numbers on them, I'd recommend scratching it onto the part where the
connector goes on. Using pen, tipex or anything like that is a waste of time as it's likely to come straight off when they are cleaned.

jimathan

Feb 24th, 2008 11:02

Hi Ben. Thanks for the comments. Glad the cars sorted now. Nice to meet you both by the way.
Jim

john h

Feb 24th, 2008 11:12

Jim,
Great, I thought you might be the sort who'd enjoy the challenge!
I'll try to get hold of a spare injector. Failing that, I will take the ones off the car and let you have them for a while. It's not used every
day so I can happlily wait while you adapt things.
One thing I need to check first is whether new O-ring seals are available. Need to establish this first in case the old ones disintergrate
whilst removing the injectors, which could leave me stumped! I'll try Volvo Classic and KG Trimning. Do you have any other ideas of
possible suppliers?
Thanks

jimathan

Feb 24th, 2008 11:19

John, bearing suppliers usually have a good stock of O rings. If they havent, they will be able to put you in touch with a specialist.
Jim

john h

Feb 24th, 2008 11:25

Jim
PM sent.
So would you expect the O-rings to be a "standard" part, not something specific to Volvo/Bosch? If so, I would take a chance and
take out the injectors.
Cheers

wacRon

Feb 24th, 2008 13:12

hi jim could you give me postal details for your services & ill pop my injectors in the post to you,my 850 t5 is sitting with 15400 miles &
looking at the fuel injectors/rail they have been there since day one so well due for cleaning

jimathan

Feb 24th, 2008 13:21

PM sent
jim

Abdul

Feb 24th, 2008 13:23

sent pm

Abdul

Feb 24th, 2008 13:38

pm received thanks

Abdul

Feb 24th, 2008 13:39

is there a how to take the injectors out on a volvo v70 t5 1997 thanks

jimathan

Feb 24th, 2008 14:03

Crashed again

Hi all. If you have PMd me and you have not got a reply please PM me again. (Site crashed when I was sending them out)
Jim

Abdul

Feb 24th, 2008 14:09

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jimathan

Mar 1st, 2008 10:10

Petrol injector spares in stock

Morning all. I now have all the O rings and pintle caps, (the plastic bit that holds the O ring on) and the spacers for servicing all the
Volvo/Bosch petrol injectors. So now do you dont need to waste time trailing down to the dealers.
Jim

microman

Mar 10th, 2008 01:44

V70 Classic Injectors

Hi,
I have a March 2000 V70 2.5 which has been getting gradually more and more lumpy, but not massively so. I think I'd like to have
you do the injectors but it means the car being off the road for a few days so I need to plan around availability of the rest of the family
fleet.
I'm not a mechanic so I'll need to think hard about removing the injectors, I've read your earlier notes regarding packaging and
removal, and I'd welcome any other advice re taking them out.
What do you anticipate the all in price to be with O Rings and postage?
Tom

jimathan

Mar 10th, 2008 11:18

Hi Tom. With the O rings and insured P&P, with guaranteed next day delivery youre looking at 50.00
Jim

jimathan

Mar 10th, 2008 13:21

Tom. Taking them out of the v70 is a dodle, 20-30 mins tops. Do you have a manual?
Jim

jimathan

Mar 15th, 2008 16:33

What a rip-off !!!!!!!

Hi All. It Looks like Seagoon has set the record for the quoted price for injector O rings. 37.50 for ten!!!!!!! So much for cheaper
spare parts. Blimey.
Jim

john h

Mar 15th, 2008 21:05

Jim,
Finally got round to trying out the 164E with cleaned injectors, after a setback with faulty (leaking) fuel pipe.
Anyway, it idles more smoothly and mid-range torque is better; subjectively about 5-10%. Top-end similar to before - good - but it
does rev to the red-line a bit more easily. I'm very happy with the outcome.
Also, many thanks for making me very welcome at your home, and for all the trouble you went to to accommodate the old Bosch
injectors.
I'm very envious of your skills and your workshop, and the fish are amazing!
I'll be in touch in due course (a few months) to talk about supercharger pulleys...
Regards
John

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jimathan

Mar 15th, 2008 21:12

Hi John, glad you got it sorted. Just give us a shout when your ready and Ill see what I can do
Regards Jim

jimathan

Mar 18th, 2008 21:52

What a cracking forum!

Good evening every one.

Just been looking back through the pages on this thread and there are a heck of a lot of very happy people who have showed their
gratitude and shared their cleaning experience with us all. Not one single person has left a negative comment. I would just like to say
thanks to you all for your input and your kind words. I realy do appreciate it, as im sure all that have used the service do.
It has been an interesting learning curve for me, seeing how all the different injectors perform, and quite a challenge making up
adaptors to fit some of the more unusual injectors. It has also been quite an experience meeting so many different people, both on
here, and at my workshop.
If there is one thing that I have learnt, it is that you can never take injectors for granted; I have not seen one set of injectors that didnt
need cleaning. Before I got into this and started this cleaning service, I would never have thought of injectors as a service item, but the
feedback says they are. One thing I have noticed on several occasions is that injectors can be responsible for misfires. If the amount of
fuel they deliver is more or less than about ten percent of the correct amount: then misfires will occasionally occur under acceleration at
different rpm. This has been confirmed in the feedback on more than one occasion. Just something to bear in mind if you have a
persistent problem with misfires. Anyway, thats my contribution to the thread. Id just like to say thanks to all that have used this
service, and I hope the service will continue to be of use to others in the future.
Jim

siggi757

Mar 21st, 2008 01:19

Hi.
I am very interested in having the injectors in my 1994, 850 (100k miles) cleaned.
Can you tell me how much it will be with the new "O" rings and the shipping back to Iceland?
Cheers,
Siggi

jimathan

Mar 21st, 2008 10:08

PM sent

donal

Mar 22nd, 2008 00:24

Just fitted a set of injectors serviced by Jim.

I have already noticed more power when accelerating. I am sure that mpg will improve too - results will be posted soon.
This is a great service.

XRAY-CHARLIE-TWO

Apr 8th, 2008 16:08

Well i duly sent my injectors off to jim for cleaning

Set of five blue injectors from a 2001 V70 Ex police car with 140k on the clock
The news that came back is not good basically they are all past their best and even after jim had worked his magic on them they did
still not perform as they should one in particular is about as much use as a chocolate fireguard
So i`d like to thank jim for his time and efforts he gave me a complete breakdown of the tests and findings and included pics aswell
what a cracking service and well worth what little it costs i`d recommend everybody gets them cleaned as it can only be a good thing
As for me looks like i`ve got to bite the bullet and buy a complete new set of injectors ouch which is no bad thing as atleast
she should be running right ready for her remap before the planned germany trip

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So once again thanks to jim

Cheers
stuart

ivor940

Apr 8th, 2008 16:20

Hi Stuart, See "Brendan-s80" reply above for supplier in USA. Might be cheaper with the $ rate at present.
ivor940

Yosser

Apr 9th, 2008 16:26

Can I just add my thanks to Jim.

I took the opportunity to remove my injectors and have them cleaned when I was replacing the PCV system over the Easter
weekend.
Unfortunately that was when the site went down, but thanks to the kind members of T5D5 I was able to track Jim down.
Jim provided a very fast and efficient service, even though my injectors were some of the worst he's had to clean!!
It's still a bit early to quantify any improvements, but the car is running very well.
A bargain service at the price.
Thanks Jim.

TJMurphy

Apr 10th, 2008 08:08

I had mine done as well on my last service (108,000miles) two weeks ago, on an S60. They apparently weren't too bad (Jim's
description) though the flow rates on two looked to be worse than the rest. I wonder if running the car exclusively on Optimax / V-Power
has helped? The O rings were badly perished though so they were worth replacing.
All in all an excellent service, seems to have cleared up my intermittent "stutter" too. I was holding off posting my impressions of the
result as I've thought the stutter was gone before and it came back, but so far so good!
In fact the car is now pulling significantly harder than before the service - not sure that can be put down to injector cleaning tbh but it's
a nice bonus!
Tony

jimathan

Apr 10th, 2008 12:35

Volvo Parts Price Increase

Today I rang up to re-order some more O rings from the same place I used before. Only to find out they have put the price up.
Clearly they have seen an opportunity to cash in and make some more brass. The previous unit price was 0.35.
They now want (SIT DOWN) 3.85 per unit !!!!!!! The salesman told me that he had given me as much discount as he could, and he
reiterated that it was a good price!
Instead of paying 22.50, they now want 192.00 for the same quantity!!
NO thats not a mistake, I have it in writing.
Needles to say I will not be held to ransom, and I wont be buying from them anymore. As far as I am concerned they have just shot
themselves in the foot. I have found some aftermarket ones in the US that I have used in the past, and have placed an order for them.
They are more expensive than the previous ones from Volvo but not as bad as the last quote. Final price will be dependent on whether
or not I get hit with import duty. I still have three or for sets at the original price, and these are available on a first come first serve
basis
Jim

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Mike B

Apr 10th, 2008 12:53

injectors

Hi Jim
Could you give me a quote for cleaning and o rings for my 89 740GLE B230E CI
She has only done 90500 but the O rings have still done the years !!
Regards
Mike B
PS any other info you require.

jimathan

Apr 10th, 2008 12:55

Hi Mike PM sent

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