7/16/2015

EXTREME

V2V:Whatarevehicletovehiclecommunicationsandhowdotheywork?|ExtremeTech

V2V:WHATAREVEHICLETOVEHICLECOMMUNICATIONSANDHOWDOTHEYWORK?

V2V:Whatarevehicletovehicle
communicationsandhowdotheywork?
ByBillHowardonFebruary6,2014at2:25pm

22Comments

PG13HiddenSecretsInDisneyMoviesYou
Won'tBelieve
CheckThisYo

Consumersswarmnewbargainwebsitetoget
iPhonesforaslittleas$17
MadBid.com

Vehicle-to-vehicle communications
moved one step closer to reality this
Share This Article
week with the Obama
administrations plans to push the technology forward. The February
3rdannouncementoutlinesa set of proposed rules would be announced for comment by
the time this administration departs in 2017, with hopes that sometime around 2020, cars
will communicate with each other and alert drivers to roadside hazards ahead. What
happened this week was a plan by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to
have a plan.

#1WorstExerciseThatAgesYouFaster
MAXWorkoutsFitnessGuide

UniqueMethod"Fights"HairLoss(DoThis
BeforeBed)
HairlossProtocoleBook

SponsoredLinks byTaboola

Follow
Simply put, the first generation of V2V systems would warn the driver but not take control
of the car. Later implementations would improve to brake or steer around obstacles and
eventually merge with self-driving cars. Heres our rundown of V2V technologies and some
of the implications

Follow@ExtremeTech

ExtremeTechNewsletter
SubscribeTodaytogetthelatestExtremeTech
newsdeliveredrighttoyourinbox.

EmailAddress...
Subscribingtoanewsletterindicatesyourconsent
toourTermsofUseandPrivacyPolicy.

MoreArticles
SanDisklaunchesnewiNAND7232,could
make16GBsmartphonesathingofthepast
Jul15

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/176093v2vwhatarevehicletovehiclecommunicationsandhowdoesitwork

1/6

7/16/2015

V2V:Whatarevehicletovehiclecommunicationsandhowdotheywork?|ExtremeTech

NASAunveilshistoric,
highresolutionPluto,
Charon,andHydraphotos
fromNewHorizons
mission Jul15
Oculusfounderconfirms
VRisshapingupintoan
unavoidablyfragmented
mess Jul15
HowBMWweaves,bakes,
andbuildsthecarbonfiber
7Series Jul15
ETdeals:Savebigduring
PrimeDay Jul15

What is V2V?
Vehicle-to-vehicle(V2V) communications comprises a wireless network where automobiles
send messages to each other with information about what theyre doing. This data would
include speed, location, direction of travel, braking, and loss of stability. Vehicle-to-vehicle
technology uses dedicated short-range communications(DSRC), a standard set forth by
bodies like FCC and ISO. Sometimes its described as being a WiFi network because one of
the possible frequencies is 5.9GHz, which is used by WiFi, but its more accurate to say
WiFi-like. The range is up to 300 meters or 1000 feet or about 10 seconds at highway
speeds (not 3 seconds as some reports say).
V2V would be a mesh network, meaning every node (car, smart traffic signal, etc.) could
send, capture and retransmit signals. Five to 10 hops on the network would gather traffic
conditions a mile ahead. Thats enough time for even the most distracted driver to take his
foot off the gas.
On the first cars, V2V warnings might come to the driver as an alert, perhaps a red light that
flashes in the instrument panel, or an amber then red alert for escalating problems. It might
indicate the direction of the threat. All that is fluid for now since V2V is still a concept with
several thousand working prototypes or retrofitted test cars. Most of the prototypes have
advanced to stage where the cars brake and sometimes steer around hazards. Why? Its
more exciting for a legislator or journalist to see a car that stops or swerves, not one with a
flashing lamp.
Traffic signals or other stationary devices are called V2I, or vehicle to infrastructure. Often
theyre just rolled into the V2V umbrella to avoid too many TLAs (three-letter acronyms).
Some automakers have their own terms for V2V such as Car-to-X, which encompasses
other vehicles and the infrastructure. Theres also a push for the term internet of cars
playing off internet of thingsas well as the broader term connected car which covers
telematics as well and the popular-press term talking car. V2V seems to be the phrase
thats winning out.
Next page: Not a self-driving car yet
1 of 4

Next

SponsoredLinks byTaboola

PG13HiddenSecretsInDisneyMoviesYouWon'tBelieve
CheckThisYo

#1WorstExerciseThatAgesYouFaster
MAXWorkoutsFitnessGuide

UniqueMethod"Fights"HairLoss(DoThisBeforeBed)
HairlossProtocoleBook

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/176093v2vwhatarevehicletovehiclecommunicationsandhowdoesitwork

2/6

7/16/2015

V2V:Whatarevehicletovehiclecommunicationsandhowdotheywork?|ExtremeTech

10BodyLanguageMistakesYouDidn'tRealizeYouWereMaking
Forbes

7GreatInsightlyFeaturesforGrowingBusinesses
Insightly

EmmmEmmm!CosplayThatMakeYourToesCurl!
AmericanLiveWire

WeRecommend

FromAroundtheWeb

WithSkylake,IntelwantstoabolishallPCcablesby
2015.Whataterribleidea.
Page4Gasvs.dieselvs.hybrid:Whichcarengine
isbestforyouandtheenvironment?
ThisChevroletFNRconceptcarissciencefiction
madereal
Page2Its2015,selfdrivingcarsaremorethana
promise
Page22015HondaCRVreview:Techandsafety
featuresof$60,000luxurycarforhalftheprice
TeslaannouncestheModel3:Athalfthepriceof
theModelS,TeslawantstotakeEVsmainstream
PG13HiddenSecretsInDisneyMoviesYouWon't
Believe (CheckThisYo)
#1WorstExerciseThatAgesYouFaster
(MAXWorkoutsFitnessGuide)

UniqueMethod"Fights"HairLoss(DoThisBefore
Bed) (HairlossProtocoleBook)
10BodyLanguageMistakesYouDidn'tRealizeYou
WereMaking (Forbes)
EmmmEmmm!CosplayThatMakeYourToes
Curl! (AmericanLiveWire)
TheBeautyOfTheseNewsAnchorsWillDrop
YourJaw (HyperTomb)
TaggedIn

Cars

Automobiles

Autos

InternetOfThings

AutonomousDriving

SelfDriving

NHTSA

PostaComment
22Comments

ExtremeTech

Recommend

Share

SelfDrivingCars

ConnectedCars

V2V

Networking
DSRC

VehicleToVehicle

0Comments
1

Login

SortbyOldest

Jointhediscussion
NaeemBari ayearago

BillHoward,thisisaverywellwrittenarticle.Itcertainlysummarizedalotofcontentabout
V2Vneatlyandconciselyenoughthatitmakessensetome!
7

Reply Share

BillBasham ayearago

Assomeonewhowritesoftwareforalivingandahobby,Ican'twaitforthistohappen.No
moreannoyingtailgatersorpeopledrivingslowintheleftlane,atleastforme...:)
4

Reply Share

elctrovoise>BillBasham ayearago

Yeah,innowaywillthisbethesolutionprovidingyouonestepfurthertowardyou
ownutopicdrivingsystemasdesignatedbyyou.
Thisisanexample,perhapsnotyetrealizedbyshortsightedness,ofcreatinga
largeparadigmininfluencedbymassincompetence,,inwhichincompetenceis
assumednottoexist(ifonlywecan"control"thevariablesofallpossible
scenarios).Infacttheonlypseudofreedomleftformanyindividualsistheir
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/176093v2vwhatarevehicletovehiclecommunicationsandhowdoesitwork

3/6

7/16/2015

V2V:Whatarevehicletovehiclecommunicationsandhowdotheywork?|ExtremeTech
scenarios).Infacttheonlypseudofreedomleftformanyindividualsistheir
controllingwheretheygoandhowtheygetthereintheirvehicles.Therestoftheir
dayistakingordersandfulfillingapredictable"onautopilot"life.Thereisliberation
incontrollingyourcar,andIquitelikeitandtakelongtripssimplyjusttoenjoythis
virtuousexperience.IhaveneverbeeninawrecknorhaveInotbeenableto
deriveasolutiontomytransportationbasedwoes.Isaythisevenafterhavinglived
atsomeofthemostcongestedareasinthiscountry.Thisisobscenelystupidand
amindthatisshallowenoughtobeexcitedbythissolutionmayjustbelongina
worldthattheyseemtoseek:Aworldwheretheyarerelievedoftheresponsibility
oftheirownresponsibilityorperhapsevenpresence.Iamwellawareofthe
moderntechheads'tendencytobelievealltheworlds'issuescanbeprogrammed
awaybysometheoreticalperfectsolution.But,whatanabsolutelynave
assumption!
2

Reply Share

ScottJackson>elctrovoise ayearago

Thiswillgreatlyreduceautomobileaccidentsandsavelives.Whata
horribletechnology!
2

Reply Share

BillBasham>elctrovoise ayearago

Iwastongueincheekpointingoutthatanysystemthatanindividualhas
accesstothatcanbeusedtocontrolothersvehiclesisgoingtobea
massivetargetforhacking.
It'slikeallotherattemptsatendtoendsecurityatsomepoint,thesecurity
chainhastoterminate,andthatcanbeleveragedtocompromisetheentire
system.
IfIcanspoofthevehiclebehindmetobelieveI'mactually200feetfurther
backthanIreallyam,Iwon'thaveanytailgaters.
Ifacarjackerorthiefwantstostopyouonalonelyroad,theypossibly
couldputaphantomstoppedcarintheroadandyourcarwillstop.
Yourpointisworthexploringaswell...

Reply Share

ScottJackson>BillBasham ayearago

Every"connected"technologylikewifi,cellphones,etc.isgoingto
havesecurityconcerns.Thathasn'tstoppedtheirproliferation.It's
justsomethingthatcomeswiththeterritory.Also,Iamsurethese
vehicleswillhaveamanualoverrideincaseyougethackedorit
givesfaultydata(likeinbadweatherconditions).Ican'timagine
yourcarjuststoppingbehindaphantomcarandyouarepowerless
todoanythingaboutit.Yesweloseanelementofcontrolwith
technologylikethis,butitdoesn'thavetoallbetakenaway.
1

Reply Share

BillBasham>ScottJackson ayearago

Trueenough,butthereisaquantitativedifference.Havingmyprinter
gushallit'sinkoutisannoying,havingmytractioncontrolsystem
lockupallmytireswhenI'mgoing75mphisanentirelydifferent
scenario.
Iamentirelyinfavorofhavingmycardeployit'sownsensorsuiteto
driveitselfaswellasitcan.I'mnottookeenonmycartaking
directionfromcarsthatarearrayedarounditit'stooeasyofa
target.

Reply Share

ScottJackson>BillBasham ayearago

Youdefinitelyhavesomelegitimateconcernsasanyoneshouldwith
atechnologylikethis.Iguessyouhavetolookatdoesthegood
outweighthebad?Ifwewanttocompletelyeliminateaccidentsand
toagreaterextenteventraffic,theneverycarontheroadsneedsto
knowwhereeveryothercararounditisatalltimes.Ithinkthe
potentialgainsoutweighanyofthedrawbacks.I'msuresecurity
measureswillbeputinplacetopreventhackingaswego.Just
becauseotherpeoplearereceivingdataaboutyourcardoesn't
necessarilymeantheyhavethepowertochangeit.
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/176093v2vwhatarevehicletovehiclecommunicationsandhowdoesitwork

4/6

7/16/2015

V2V:Whatarevehicletovehiclecommunicationsandhowdotheywork?|ExtremeTech

Reply Share

georgeodjungle>BillBasham 4monthsago

islowdownfortailgaters"needanewcaranyway.&v2viseasyenoughto
block,,done&done

Reply Share

kroozin ayearago

Ihopeitcatchespeoplewhodonothaltatstopsignsorredlightswhenmakingrightturns.
I'vebeenhittwiceasapedestrianbycarswhosedriversneverbotheredtofullystopand
seethattherewasapersoncrossingthestreet.

Reply Share

elctrovoise>kroozin ayearago

Anexampleofanindividualcertainlyaren'tfromwhereIcomefromwherewelearn
fromayoungagehowtocrossthestreet!Indiaanyone?

Reply Share

kroozin>elctrovoise ayearago

Yeahthat'swhatsavedme.Iusuallylookatthedriversfaceandtryto
makeeyecontacttodeterminewhetherthey'veseenme.Inbothcases,the
driverswerenotlookingmywaysoIwasabletominimizethecontact(on
oneofthemIslidacrossthehood,otherwisemykneeswouldhavebeen
clipped).

Reply Share

elctrovoise>kroozin ayearago

GladyouwereOK!

Reply Share

elctrovoise ayearago

Nextaremandatorywheelchairsinstalledineveryhousehold.Ienjoymyopinionthatthis
entirethingisastupidideaamountstocreatinganothermicroeconomy.
1

Reply Share

AdiRamani ayearago

'TransportationsecretaryJamieFoxxintheFebruary3rdNHTSAannouncement...'
PleasenotethattheUSTransportationsecretaryisAnthonyFoxx.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...
JaimeFoxxisanactor.
3

Reply Share

NikolaosSkordilis>AdiRamani ayearago

JamieFoxx?Lool!

Reply Share

fiddle ayearago

I'mgonnamissthosevehiclecrashcompilations

Reply Share

Eric ayearago

maybelaterthePolicecancontrolallthecars,somakeiteasiertocatchcrime...

Reply Share

elctrovoise>Eric ayearago

Ofcoursetheonesthattheyreallydon'tneedtoworryaboutseriouslywillbe
driventoacheckpointandarrestedandrobotswillbooktheminlol..The"real"
criminalspeoplesocietyneedstoworryabout???Yeah,theywillbetheonesto
benefitfromthisaseveryoneelsetriesfollowingtherules.Sameasitistoday.

Reply Share

RayC ayearago

Goodnews

Reply Share

MichaelMartin ayearago

ThearticlewascredibleuntilthatlineaboutSnowden.
BlamingSnowdenforadelayinV2Vimplementation/adoptionisbeingnaive.Vehicle
hackingisso2011(predatesSnowden).
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/176093v2vwhatarevehicletovehiclecommunicationsandhowdoesitwork

5/6

7/16/2015

V2V:Whatarevehicletovehiclecommunicationsandhowdotheywork?|ExtremeTech

hackingisso2011(predatesSnowden).
(seehttp://nakedsecurity.sophos.co...
andhttp://nakedsecurity.sophos.co...

Reply Share

SatheeshKumar 3monthsago

Iamthemechanicalengineeringstudentfromindia.ihaveallconceptstomakeacarinto
aautomatedcar.driverjustdescribewherehewanttogoandwhichpath.cardrives
automaticallytotheendingpointsafely.
importantpointforthecaris:
1)signalinajunction
2)overtakingavechicle.
3)gearshifting
4)ecooremergengymodetravel
5)soon.........
iexplainedallconceptstoourcollegetomakeafinalyearprojectbuttheyrejectmy
projectbecauseitisanelectronicproject.....
anybodyneedsmyconceptjustcontactme.....
satheeshkumardmx@gmail.com
1

Subscribe

Reply Share

AddDisqustoyoursite

AboutExtremeTech

TermsOfUse

Advertising

PrivacyPolicy

ContactExtremeTech
ETForums

ZiffDavis

Privacy

UseofthissiteisgovernedbyourTermsofUseandPrivacyPolicy.Copyright19962015ZiffDavis,LLC.PCMagDigitalGroupAllRightsReserved.
ExtremeTechisaregisteredtrademarkofZiffDavis,LLC.ReproductioninwholeorinpartinanyformormediumwithoutexpresswrittenpermissionofZiff
Davis,LLC.isprohibited.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/176093v2vwhatarevehicletovehiclecommunicationsandhowdoesitwork

6/6