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intro: Building a "Baghdad Battery" . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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Image Notes
1. asphalt seal
2. copper sheet cylinder
3. iron rod
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1. don't use rebar - I tried - it is not pure iron, despite what the hardware store
guy might tell you
2. rubber mastic, the duct tape of battery cell construction, wonderful stuff
3. stranded an solid wire
4. iron nails, I used the large one to the left, but several of the small ones will
work too - the bunch to the far right has a light coating of rust, but not enough to
create a good layer of Fe3O4
5. wire strippers
Image Notes
1. this vase would have been perfect for a final replica (except it is glazed), but is
an heirloom in my wife's Japanese family, an I would probably get in a lot of
trouble if I used it, she caught me inspecting it
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Image Notes
1. a helical electrode I experimented with by wrapping around a chopstick
2. this can be found in most hardware stores labeled as bailing wire or rebar tie
wire - it is actually iron wire with an Fe3O4 coating applied - notice the black to
blue coloring of the wire - this serves to inhibit corrosion on the wire from Fe2O3
attack - if you do not want to make your own Fe3O4 from my recipe, this should
serve as a suitable surrogate
Image Notes
1. some different experiments with generating Fe2O3, the precursor to Fe3O4,
boil any of the red colored rust objects for a few minutes an you will have a
nice coat of Fe3O4
Image Notes
1. stranded wire attached to copper cylinder with rubber tape
2. small opening as seen in artifacts, note the copper sheet has all oxides
removed by using an abrasive - it should be shiny
3. I did not include a copper disc as seen in the artifacts, primarily to simplify
construction since I was making several cells - iron rod an copper sheet are
both isolated here with a few wraps of rubber mastic
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Image Notes
1. In a discharged cell with the iron rod as the anode, or a cell with the iron rod
as the cathode (can be charged or discharged), the electrolyte is clear when
using an alkaline electrolyte an the metals stay protected - the mason jar is not
accurate relative to the artifacts, but has the benefit of allowing one to observe
the electrolyte chemistry
2. stranded wire provides a connection to the copper, granted this is not
historically accurate, but is the only way I know to create discharge curves for the
cell
3. Large iron nail with a coating of Fe3O4
4. small opening down the center of the copper sheet, as seen in the artifacts, I
tried standard plumbing copper pipe without the opening, but this aspect of the
geometry seems to improve the cell
Image Notes
1. some earlier cells, what you can't see in the previous photo is that I isolated
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the iron rod from the copper cylinder using a rubber stopper
2. notice the different states of iron - from left to right - plain iron, Fe3O4, an
Fe2O3 - for our final cell we are only interested in the middle one containing
Fe3O4 - this photo was taken when I was still evaluating different cells
3. mason jars consume a lot of electrolyte, so when running many trials, an
durability is less of a concern, non lubricated condoms work well - even better is
to just decrease the dimensions of the electrodes, the chemistry stays the same
4. note, the main difference between these cells an the previous photo is the
lack of a slit along the side of the copper cylinder, this helps, so try to have an
opening in your copper
Image Notes
1. the full replica Baghdad cell has large dimensions, so spice jars will not work
for this, but for all the other cell chemistries I experiment with these are perfect,
use a rubber stopper cut in half for the top
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Image Notes
1. rubber gloves should be used when handling less sturdy cells
2. condoms are very helpful reaction chambers
Image Notes
1. condom as the cap on a spice jar, I prefer rubber stoppers now
2. I used silicone tape here instead of rubber mastic, which works well too, but
rubber mastic is cheaper
3. clear vessels are nice not only for observing color changes in electrolyte, but
also viewing gas formation - this is actually a different chemistry I was playing
with (you'll notice no copper here)
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Image Notes
1. condom attached to a rubber stopper
2. mason jars are very helpful an cheap to contain cells, chemicals, etc.
Image Notes
1. before I found large iron nails, I used bundles of nails woven with stranded
wire and held together with rubber tape - stranded wire seems to work better
than solid wire
Image Notes
1. how the stranded wire was attached to the copper cylinder
Image Notes
1. rubber cement an liquid electrical tape can also be helpful
2. several electrode pairs attached to mason jar tops ready to be immersed in
electrolyte
Image Notes
1. an almost completed cell - I became better at Fe3O4 coatings later, but the
one on these nails is not too bad
Image Notes
1. several cells ready to go
2. liquid electrical tape
Image Notes
1. this is a voltaic pile setup I was testing - the thick paper is dipped in
electrolyte (salt water, etc.) and placed between the metals - I modified an old
toothbrush holder to contain it
2. not related, but this fabric is replica hemp sail cloth from the 1700's an is
wonderfully durable stuff, I plan to make some clothes out of it an use it for
some composite structural forms I'm interested in
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Image Notes
1. nicely isolated voltaic pile
Image Notes
1. the DAQ I used - Labjack produces good durable instruments, an comes
with LabView like software for viewing traces in real time - but again 2 analog
meters will work just as well
2. a very nice programmable operational amplifier that Labjack sells - the EI-
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3. another operational amplifier sold by Labjack the LJTIA
4. 0.33 ohm resistor for current measurement
5. 330 ohm load resistor
6. a bitscope oscilloscope, not needed for this experiement
7. this is from another experiment, an you can ignore it, it's part of a circuit that
controls a magnetic induction cooktop, perhaps I'll post this in a future
instructable since I think it is rather cool
8. to battery anode
9. to battery cathode
10. DAC output on the labjack for charging
Image Notes
1. european style terminal blocks, use the larger versions like this (~20A +), not
the smaller versions as to the right (~5A to 15A)
2. nothing beats an analog meter when keeping things simple to troubleshoot a
problem - you could use only this an a analog voltage meter to test your cells, just
plot the values on a sheet of paper
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Image Notes
1. simple cartoon drawing of the circuit shown in the previous photo - I could use
proper schematic symbols, but hopefully this communicates just as well - the idea
is to show charge/discharge circuits with an analog meter setup OR connection to
a DAQ in a single diagram - but maybe I should split this into separate diagrams
and use proper schematic symbols
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tested the temperature dependence of the chemistry by allowing a minor ~5 deg rise in temperature and observed a 10% increase in rate of charge current and release of
the current on discharge. The increase in charge/discharge rate is a function of what is commonly called internal resistance. Most battery chemistries have a lower
internal resistance as temperature increases. As most batteries are cycled, their internal resistance will increase with time - in addition to self discharge rate, and a
decline in capacity. I am developing a reaction chamber to control environmental parameters and further automate my other electrochemistry experiments - this will allow
a more precise characterization, but the results I've presented will have to suffice for now.
Image Notes
1. the color change seen when charging a cell that uses the iron rod as the anode
2. alligator clips work well for attaching conductors to the cell
3. I would place the cells in a separate dish since this protects from any spillage also, although the stranded wire is nice for making good contact with the copper,
through capillary action, the KOH will traverse the wire after several days of use
an deposit concentrated KOH crystals - be careful
Image Notes
1. 'blue glass' used as a color comparison with the electrolyte, although this
blue is not copper, but cobalt
2. the color of a charged cell - lots of copper ions
3. a partially discharged cell - fewer copper ions
4. no iron rod here, this was before I could find one an was using bundles of
nails taped together
Image Notes
1. this is a plot of the charge cycle for the cell
Image Notes
1. This is the first part of the discharge curve - note this cell was charged an
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2. this is the voltage differential across the resistor used to measure current,
you'll see this in all my plots, although it is not needed, I did it as a sanity check
when I was debugging my setup,but never removed the trace, I still like to see it
since I was experimenting with different resistors the whole time - for the
voltage/current of this cell 1ohm might make sense if testing any other cell, but
the most I could get away with was 0.33 ohm without causing problems with the
baghdad cell
3. the cell's ability to take current is tapering off here, but it will continue at this
slope for several days if allowed to run - I never fully charged any of my cells due
to time constraints - so I've actually not characterized a fully charged cell
4. apologies for the negative values on the axes, remnants from another
experiment
then discharged an then allowed to sit for 3 days, which greatly improved the
cell - 5x increase in capacity, quite amazing to me, although I list 33 ma-h it is
actually a few ma higher in some of my trials
2. a lot of current is liberated in the first 2 hours of discharge an then tapers off
to 0.6 mA for several days of discharge - if running a homopolar motor, one
could imagine this as the jump start to get the motor spinning quickly an then a
stream of maintenance current to keep it spinning
3. continued on the next plot, an runs for several days
Image Notes
1. this curve is actually from an earlier cell, but is the curve geometry one would
see from the previous photo if allowed to run - the problem is that my DAQ
software (the free version of DAQ Factory that ships with Labjack) is limited to 3
days of measurements at the sampling rate I chose (1Hz) - so you'll notice the
first part of this curve is missing - - I'm in the process of setting up a dedicated
battery test bench with a microcontroller that will write to an SD card to free up
my computer, an with all the measurements, it will be better to simply calculate
the area under the curve to approximate A-h, I'm averaging by eye at the moment
2. sorry for the dual axes you'll see in some of my plots, they are not very
readable an not even appropriate in these contexts, but were left over from
another experiment I was playing with
3. it is still liberating current here although it is hard to see - much like during
charge when taking the last bits of current slowly, it gives up its last bits of current
very slowly too - I never fully discharged the cell
4. note, this is 3 days
5. the cell drops off a little here, I'm not sure if this last bit of current is usable for
anything, but I'd like to think the prior portion of the curve is sufficient
Image Notes
1. this discharge curve plot shows the cell performance before being allowed to
sit for three days, an then recharged - it has 1/5 the capacity or around 0.007
A-h
Image Notes
1. this was a trial to test charging at a lower voltage an to assess the rate of self
discharge, charging works equally well at 1.3V, an 3 days later it is still holding
the charge at a steady 0.75V
Image Notes
1. this shows a trial with Fe2O3 on the iron rod - it is not a viable cell an self
discharges rather quickly - I did not bother with placing a load on the cell
2. self discharge - no load
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1. the resistor's voltage differential is noisy, I was debugging something, just
ignore it an look at the curve shapes
2. the shape of the voltage recovery after taking the load off - the voltage drop
seen when a load is applied indicates the internal resistance of the cell
3. another voltage recovery
4. this photo is of the lower capacity version of the cell seen before the 3 day rest
period, I should include a photo of the voltage recovery of the improved cell, but I
forgot to take one
Image Notes
1. this is the cell with anode/cathode swapped - so the iron rod is now the
cathode, this does still produce a rechargeable cell, just with less capacity, the
electrolyte does not turn blue with this configuration, it is completely clear an
the copper seems polished
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KOH, an alkaline urine, or perhaps another alkaline substance, are all possible, but my experiments only used KOH. A diet rich in citrus fruits, legumes, and vegetables is
known to raise pH and produce urine that is more alkaline - this would have been close to the diet of this time. I've been eating a lot of citrus and legumes lately, so
maybe I will retest my urine pH and give it another go. Soap production is claimed to have been present during this time, so it is possible there was familiarity with alkaline
chemistries. In my wife's DIY soap book, common lore states that soap was discovered when ash from fire pits drained with the fat from animal renderings into the nearby
stream where people washed clothing and other items, and it was noticed clothes were easier to clean - whether this account is true or not, I do not know. However,
mixing ash with water is not rocket science. Even today, most KOH is commercially produced by taking the ash form burned wood, soaking in water, and then
evaporating the water off to leave KOH crystals. It might make sense to have a pit of water near your night fire, if the ash was raked into the water you should get an
alkaline solution that would work well as an electrolyte. Since the Copper sheet was not exposed, the jars may have been placed into a reservoir of this solution (e.g. a
hole dug in the Earth filled with urine or ash water) with the iron rod connected to another conductor in the Earth, now you should have an Earth Battery charging station
with a ready source of electrolyte replenishment. I'm stretching a little here, but this explanation still seems more plausible than an acid electrolyte. After playing with
several replica permutations, I'll reemphasize the electrodes are protected in an alkaline electrolyte, and are oxidized with an acidic electrolyte - furthermore, that the
artifacts indicate the copper was isolated in the container, only really matters with an alkaline electrolyte.
Image Notes
1. notice the combination of red an black oxides
2. notice the blue coloration, after immersion in an acid electrolyte my copper does
not look like this (see photos in next step) - but this is close to what my copper
looks like after using an alkaline electrolyte
3. I'm unsure of the permeability of this jar to fluid, but it appears that it might allow
the electrolyte to leak out an possibly complete a circuit with the copper cathode
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Image Notes
1. Potassium Hydroxide, an several acid electrolytes that I tested
Image Notes
1. again the acid electrolyte, but notice the black sludge an corrosion products
after the cell is discharged, this cell is done an cannot be reused, but it only
liberated 1/5 the current of a single charge cycle from my alkaline rechargeable
cell replica
Image Notes
1. this copper sheet was used as the cathode in an acid electrolyte, I cleaned up
the metal a little with an Al2O3 abrasive to show the difference, but the copper
turns fully black if the cell is discharged completely, unlike the alkaline electrolyte,
the acid electrolyte oxidizes the copper during discharge
2. this copper was used with an alkaline electrolyte an the photo taken a few
minutes after removal -the copper is actually very clean while in the electrolyte, but
develops the oxidation layer shown within seconds of exposure to air, an alkaline
electrolyte actually protects the copper from oxidation - given the copper is only
oxidized when exposed to air with an alkaline chemistry, this may explain why the
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Image Notes
1. a red wine vinegar electrolyte before discharge - this is similar to the acid
electrolyte replicas created by previous investigators
copper cylinder is completely concealed in the clay jar artifacts, this design
constraint has been a puzzling detail unexplainable in other interpretations of the
artifacts -partial exposure of the copper electrode to air is not critical with the acid
chemistry - but if I left even a small portion of the copper exposed when using the
alkaline electrolyte, I had rapid oxidation, so I HAD to seal the copper in a vessel
3. same scenario as the two copper tubes to the right (alkaline electrolyte), but this
electrode pair was exposed to air for a longer period - in my opinion, it looks
similar to the artifacts shown in the previous step, notice the blue edges
interspersed with the black oxides
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Image Notes
1. a simple homopolar motor built from a magnet, battery, an a piece of copper
2. a copper wire in close proximity to the magnets below an balanced on one end
of the battery cell's anode or cathode - I am using a helical design here, but any
balanced geometry will work - this picture was taken with the wire spinning
around at a fairly high rate of speed
3. a magnet at the bottom contacting either the anode or cathode of the battery
Image Notes
1. how a homopolar design might have worked on a baghdad battery
2. bronze wire contacting the iron rod an completing half the circuit for the
motor
3. bronze wire in close proximity to a lodestone placed at the bottom of the jar the electrolyte leaking down the sides of the vessel complete the circuit with the
copper cylinder inside the jar
4. electrolyte leakage through the jar pores
5. electrolyte leakage through the jar pores
step 9: History
A better name would actually be "Mesopotamia Battery" since Baghdad was not in use at the time, furthermore, the battery was actually not found in Baghdad, but
instead near it in an area called Khujut-Rabua in Parthian times, or Salman Pak in modern day Iraq. However, I will stick with Baghdad since this is how the artifacts are
now commonly referenced. I also believe the name Baghdad is important since it would be nice if we identified this region of the world with the hope and centers of
learning and science that it once embodied, instead of the cauldron of violence that has plagued its more recent chapters in history.
The date range commonly cited for the artifacts spans 600 years - 300 B.C. to 300 A.D., although I suspect the date of origin might be even earlier. During this time, it
was common to conquer people in one region and then move the population (particularly skilled workers) to another, so the artifacts may have originated elsewhere and
the people producing them simply enslaved and forced into Mesopotamia. In one famous example, the Babylonians conquered and enslaved people inhabiting what is
now Israel (in addition to other regions) and brought them to Mesopotamia to compile bits and pieces of religious text from the area to create the Old Testament - it is
likely that technology from the conquered societies came too. Or, perhaps a group that inhabited Mesopotamia even earlier in the timeline is the origin of inspiration (e.g.
during the Sumerian reign).
The Assyrians (1200 BC to 612 BC) preceded the Babylonians in Mesopotamia, then the Persians conquered the Babylonians, followed by the rise of Macedonian and
Seleucid rule over the Persians, then came Parthian rule (Iran), and then Sasanian rule (also Iranian). In the 7th century, Mesopotamia was conquered by Arab armies
and under the Abbasid caliphate became known as Baghdad and Iraq - the cultural and commercial center of the Islamic world. Most of my understanding of the regional
history was derived from the Metropolitan Museum of Art summaries e.g. 1, 2, 3 - clearly from the works of art referenced from their site, the inhabitants were highly
skilled craftspeople. The Parthians, who conquered Mesopotamia in 138 B.C. ruled over the region until 224 A.D., and whether right or wrong, is the group often credited
with creation of the artifacts in many of the archaeological interpretations - perhaps because their rule sits in the middle of the 600 year span (300 B.C. - 300 A.D.) listed
as the artifacts' origin date. However, 600 years is quite a margin of error, and I'd like to better understand the reasoning behind this often quoted range. To further
complicate matters, the pottery geometry is thought to be of Sassanid origin (224 to 637 A.D.). Pottery geometry could simply be enforced by whom ever is wielding the
biggest stick at the time, with the more relevant construction details being conceived/refined earlier in the timeline.
Who's responsible for creating the artifacts? I don't know, but the history certainly seems rather messy. I would guess the inspiration for the artifacts could have arrived
along a number of vectors (e.g. conquered populations external to Mesopotamia, or earlier inhabitants), and it would be presumptuous to give credit to any one group
(sociopolitical, ethnic, etc.). I feel inclined to give some attention to the history of the "Baghdad battery" since during my research I observed some rather ignorant
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comments on Youtube and other locations hosting information regarding the artifacts. Ignoring all the complications with pinpointing the origin of these artifacts, in my
understanding of the continuous flux of sociopolitical dynamics and population migrations, I find nationalistic pride rather humorous. Let me know if I misstated any of the
history.
Image Notes
1. Wikipedia map showing the modern day political perspective - highlighted area
is where the artifacts were discovered - in modern Iraq it is known as Salman Pak
Image Notes
1. Wikipedia map from a Mesopotamia perspective - this is where the artifacts
were found
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1. from Wikipedia
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replicas produced in this video seem to be the most accurate relative to the others listed, including mine since I did not have access to the pottery, and did not
include the copper disc at the bottom (to simplify construction)
A History Channel review (?) through a show called "Ancient Technologies"
Smith College Replica: I was not able to get the 1.1 Volts they indicate though
Writeup summarizing several sources - I included this reference to show how much conjecture there is in the claims one can find on the web when researching
this topic Indicates that Willard Grey produced a 2 Volt cell with grape juice, again, I was not able to reproduce this. The BBC numbers indicate Mr. Grey's
experiments yielded 0.5V but with Copper Sulfate, and this seems more accurate.
BBC article or here Indicates that Dr. Arne Eggebrecht used the cells to electroplate gold in 1978, although the article indicates some have disputed the accuracy
of these claims and been unable to reproduce them. Article indicates Arne's cell was 0.87V with fresh grape juice, which is actually not far off from my numbers.
Also indicates that Willard F.M. Gray produced a 0.5V cell in 1940 using Copper Sulfate. A notable quote: "The vessel showed signs of corrosion, and early tests
revealed that an acidic agent, such as vinegar or wine had been present." but I was unable to find which tests were applied to test the veracity of the claim. Also,
Dr Marjorie Senechal, professor of the history of science and technology, Smith College, US states that replicas have been produced that range from 0.8 to 2
Volts, but I am unsure of what electrolyte she is using to make this claim. My own experiments have not generated such high voltages.
A recent research paper on the subject Title: "The Baghdad Battery: Myth or reality?" Author: VON HANDORF D. E. states: "unglazed ceramic vessels"
Some references to how the history of the battery is currently recorded 1, 2
Just as I was about to publish this instructable I did one last set of Google searches and discovered the most comprehensive summary I have seen on the
artifacts - I almost decided to start my write up from scratch, and perhaps I should - it can be found here: I wish I had found this sooner, as the account told in this
paper also loosely supports several of my assumptions. According to the listed chronology, artifacts have been found at multiple digs and evidence of bronze and
iron wire objects were present at the sites. some notable excerpts: "To answer the first question, one needs to remember that thin wire-like bronze or iron rods
were found next to the urns, as reported by the archaeologists. As a point of departure, one may assume that Parthian goldsmiths might have used them as
connecting means between the iron rod and the copper cylinder. " Or, as the conductor for a simple homopolar motor? I'd really like to see photos of the artifacts,
so if anyone is aware of any, please let me know. "Given the fact that acetic acid and citric acid were known to the Parthians, one may assume that they probably
made use of them as electrolytes." In a 1950 dig "excavators had also found copper discs, short thin metal wires, and pieces " "The vase was, the report stated,
12 cm high and contained a copper cylinder of 7 cm height." "They postulated that in the case of the real battery, the entire clay jar was filled with electrolyte, and
its porous walls would allow oxygen to diffuse into the cell leading to a continuous flow of current." Or, perhaps electrolyte would seep out and complete a circuit?
"One serious flaw with Konigs gold plating hypothesis is the lack of gold-plated items stemming from the excavation site at Khujut Rabbou"
Another source I recently found: claims the BBC article as their source, although several bits of information in their article either are not found in the BBC account,
or are different, so I am unsure where some of the statements are derived, nevertheless the author makes some interesting claims "Konig also found copper
vases plated with silver in the Baghdad Museum, excavated from Sumerian sites in southern Iraq, dating back to at least 2500 BCE. When the vases were lightly
tapped, a blue patina or film separated from the surface, which is characteristic of silver electroplated onto copper base. It would appear then that the Parthians
inherited their batteries from one of the earliest known civilizations." this would be very interesting, but I'd like to know the source "It also seems that the use of
similar batteries can be safely placed into ancient Egypt, where several objects with traces of electroplated precious metals have been found at different locations"
again, very interesting, but I'd like to know the source - but then, later in the article there is this statement "One serious flaw with the electroplating hypothesis is
the lack of items from this place and time that have been treated in this way." so, I'm confused - they also cite different timelines than I have seen elsewhere
"Parthian occupation between 248 BCE and 226 CE"
Image Notes
1. Smith College replica of the battery
2. they show an exposed copper electrode here, but my understanding is that the
artifacts indicate a concealed copper electrode
Image Notes
1. a cutaway of the Smith College battery
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strmrnnr says:
LkArio says:
im pretty sure you will make several times more power if you use zinc instead of iron.
sonaps says:
You should really use the letter "d" when spelling the word "and", it makes it actually work as a sentence.
IanW says:
sonaps says:
IanW says:
I'm not particular about grammar. Nevertheless, I modified the text to be more readable for you.
IanW says:
sonaps says:
Dude, it was still readable, I just thought that you had done it unintentionally.
DrWeird117 says:
Would this be a dry cell, or a wet cell? Dry, I would think.
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botronics says:
cllinker !! says:
IanW says:
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IanW says:
cllinker !! says:
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brian250 says:
im thick as a brick with electronics and the like but i understand this instructable,the way it is presented is great,thankyou.
rookie1 says:
evanwehrer says:
macssam says:
you keep loosing track with to many unnecessary links and explanations
put everything on one page so anyone can understand ..
kelseymh says:
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IanW says:
Hi, thanks for the comment - but I'm not sure I understand:
Are you saying I should not link to other references, wikipedia, etc.?
Regarding the idea of a "single page", are you saying everything should be listed as a single step? I do think listing the writeup as steps is perhaps
cumbersome for the message I am trying to convey. I considered mapping the steps to a more traditional academic publication structure i.e. Introduction,
Methods, Results, Discussion.
There is some redundancy an cross over between Step 1 an 2 - I considered merging this further.
Thanks again for the comment, an I'd be happy to modify the formatting if it would improve readability for others, but I will need more specifics. Please
feel free to PM me too.
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Priemsyone says:
Great and interesting information, good to keep an old mind thinking. Thanks
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Spaceman-Spliff says:
IanW says:
scafool says:
Very nice, because now I know how to make "a proven to work" battery out of fairly primitive materials.
Even better is that it is a rechargeable alkaline.
AnarchistAsian says:
kelseymh says:
IanW says:
I'm starting to think nobody watches them anymore, only claims to...
strmrnnr says:
I think they have gained the same reputation as CNN and 60mins. Bought off by the corporate machine.
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temp says:
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doesn't everybody?
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kelseymh says:
http://www.instructables.com/id/Building_a_quotBaghdad_Batteryquot/
AnarchistAsian says:
well, yeah, but i mean, there are a lot of stupid people these days. at least at my school When i moved to houston in 5th grade, people were
fighting over disposable plastic test tubes to do "testing" at home... No, cups weren't good enough to do 5 year old stuff, they needed
"fancy" stuff...
it's a little sad... I'm just glad my dad is a physicist... And my new science teacher actually makes us figure things out, instead of just
telling us. We're making rube goldburg machines after thanksgiving, sounds fun...
http://www.instructables.com/id/Building_a_quotBaghdad_Batteryquot/