Yo This is a fait accompli16 Oct 2001 02:06:06 GMT

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>Well, I guess I'll just have to keep my eyes open. :P
are you talking about the X% of fights go to the ground statistic?
Well, here's what I've heard, and posted a while back, which is namely that
those statisistics come from LAPD officer arrest records, and that somewhere
between 90% to 95% of fights where the subject(s) resisted arrest went to the
ground. Rorian Gracie was the person to first publicize those statistics to
promote groundfighting, and since Rorian was very much buddy-buddy with the
LAPD, I have no reason to doubt this.
What Rorian didn't say, however, is that the police were trained to take a
subject to the ground during an arrest, being that it is easier to restrain a
person there with fewer injuries to the subject being restrained ( important in
our lawsuit culture. ) Since there are more police officers than opponents in
most cases, this is a viable tactic a large percentage of the time.
Despite the misuse of statistics, what Rorian implied was correct, namely that
fights often went to the ground whether the opponents wanted it to or not.
-Rob Meyer
Kempo-Jujitsu, Sombo,
Goshinbudo Jujitsu ( MMA )

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From: Jason Lawrence Stauff (jls@jps.net)
Subject: Law enforcement: where "most fights go to the ground" may have begun.
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Date: 2000/08/08
Hello,
I was reading a law enforcement self defense book called Law enforcement:
reasonable force options. It was written by Rod Sanford. In this book he
said that, based on an L.A.P.D. study by Sergeant Greg Dossey, 62% of
officer involved altercations ended up with the two parties grappling on the
ground.
I am attending a P.O.S.T. academy in California now. This is the basic
academy that California requires in order to become a peace officer. I am
very, very upset that there is no ground fighting taught in the academy. I
have taken it upon myself to teach some other interested recruits a little
grappling.
I have found more than a little resistance from the self defense instructors
and others in the academy staff. I took a strong stance when they tried to
dissuade me from teaching the grappling. After I got a cautious okay to
start teaching I only had two willing students. After the first class I now
have about fifteen who want to be in the next class (this Sunday). Opening
their eyes to ground fighting has actually made them scared of their own

ineptness on the ground.

I am left with just one question: why is there so much resistance against
just learning some ground fighting skills and California P.O.S.T. academies?
Regards,
Jason
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From: Damon Stone (damon@healtheon.com)
Subject: Re: ufc is real-life combat.
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Date: 1999/09/15
Jerry Love wrote:
>
> > >In a match geared (at least somewhat) toward grapplers
> >
> > Like hell it is.
> > Soft floor, one-on-one, nothing on the floor, no weapons, no walls, no
> eye-goughes, groin shots, tearing, biting......
Speaking from experience right Jerry? I mean you have
actually been INSIDE of one of SEG's regulation octagons to
speak about it right? The floor is soft in comparison to
concrete, but isn't any softer than a number of surfaces you
may find yourself fighting on such as a field of grass or
the like. Nothing on the floor... Well in all honesty my
city is pretty clean there isn't much on the city street