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Volume 83, No. 62

Serving the San Jose State University Community Since 1934

Tuesday, December 4, 1984

Battle flares on candidate-backing rule


Student editor files suit about legal provision
By Amy Yannello
Daily staff writer
The former editor of the Humboldt State University Lumberjack,
along with the papers editorial
board, have filed suit in attempts to
make it legal for student newspapers
in the California State University system to endorse political candidates.

A.S. aids
starving
Africans

The suit was filed Friday after


the HSU Student Grievance Committee failed to reinstate Adam Truitt to
his post as editor of the paper. Truitt
was removed from his duties following his papers Oct. 31 endorsements
of off-campus political candidates
and ballot issues.
The unsigned endorsement vio-

lated Title 5 of the administrative


code which prohibits student newspapers from endorsing or opposing political candidates or issues.
Principle defendants in the suit
are: Ann Reynolds, California state
university chancellor; Alistair McCrone, president of HSU; Edward
Webb, vice president of student af-

fairs; Ronald Young, dean of the college of creative arts and humanities,
Mark Larson, journalism department chairman and Howard Seemann, Lumberjack adviser
The CSU Board of Trustees and
the HSU Student Legislative Council
are also named in the suit.
continued on back page

Millers high life

Collects $200
in two hours
for Ethiopians
By Paul Ruffner
Daily staff writer
A collection drive sponsored by
the Associated Students Board of Directors to aid starving people in
Ethiopia began yesterday with a positive response from SJSU students
and faculty.
"Before we even set up, people
were putting money in the canister,"
said Nicola Wood, A.S. director of
Ethnic Affairs.
Wood presented the board with a
resolution Wednesday asking for its
support of the collection drive, which
the board unanimously approved.
The board agreed to provide the funding for two advertisements publicizing a collection booth.
Wood and members of the Alpha
Phi Alpha fraternity helped set up
and man the booth yesterday near
the Art Quad. The booth is operating
from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. this week.
Two hours after the booth
opened, Wood estimated the volunteer workers had collected 9200 for
the Ethiopian cause.

Richards is drafting the CSSA


proposal, and if passed, would clarify
the California Education Codes
stand on off-campus political endorsements.
He said the education code contains references to associated student governing groups, that in many
cases at least partially fund student
newspapers, but does not directly
mention papers.
"We think this is an important
enough issue to go straight to the
source rather than the administrative code," Richards said.
If the wording in the education
code was strengthened, the administrative code would have to be
amended by the trustees, Richards
said.
"We just want the Legislature to
say that it is OK for newspapers to
endorse candidates," Richards said.
The Spartan Daily does not receive any financial support form the
Associated Students.
Infractions of this law occurred
recently at Humboldt State University and San Diego State University,
The Humboldt Lumberjack and
the San Diego State Daily Aztec both
endorsed candidates in Novembers
presidential election.
Lumberjack Editor Adam Truitt
was relieved of his editorial duties by
the university. He is now a staff
writer for the paper.
The Lumberjack filed suit Friday against the Humboldt Associated
Students and the state of California.
No action was taken against the
San Diego State Daily Aztec editor,
Steve Curran.
Curran said university administrators made it clear to him that they
did not condone or condemn the Aztecs endorsements.
Van Ginkle said Lumberjack editor Adam Truitt intentionally broke
the law as a way to protest. He said
the CSSA would rather work within
the law in order to change the policy.

forum for minorities

News clippings posted at the


booth explain about the Ethiopian
plight and flyers passed out by the
workers ask for "Just One Buck."
"There are 25,000 students in this
university who should be able to at
least donate one dollar," Wood said,
explaining the slogan.
But according to Wood, a few students have complained that they
cant contribute to the Ethiopian collection because theyre "starving
students."

However, Kincaid said he doesnt


know if he will help at the booth because he is busy with finals and is
currently completing the A.S. budget

By Beth Rannej
Daily staff writer
The California State Students Association is entering the longstanding
battle over whether college newspapers may endorse outside political
candidates.
Members of the association
claim that a provision in the California Administrative Code infringes
upon First Amendment rights guaranteed to newspapers.
Title 5 Section 42403 (CI of the
code prohibits student newspapers
from endorsing or opposing candidates for public office or any issues
before the voters.
Mike Finley, SJSU representative to the CSSA, called the law "ridiculous" and said that all newspapers should be granted the same
protection under the Constitution.
"There is no reason why campus
newspapers should be treated any
differently," Finley said.
There state CSSA Chairman Ed
Van Ginkle, said this restriction on
college newspapers has been debated
extensively, but this is the first time
his organization has become involved.
"This seems to be an issue every
election year, and it is time to change
the situation," Van Ginkle said.
The CSSA should have their position formulated by the opening of the
California Legislature in January. At
that time the association will attempt
to signal out a politician to introduce
the legislation to the governing bodies.
"I dont think we will have too
much trouble finding an individual
who will propose this legislation,"
Van Ginkle said.
Curtis Richards, legislative analyst for the CSSA, agreed that the
time was right to introduce this sort
of legislation in Sacramento.
"Sure, some politicians are going
to say go away kid, "Richards said,
"but somebody else is going to say
youre darn right. "

Sorority sponsors

He said a few faculty members


planned to make joint contributions
and the ROTC Department offered to
send volunteers.

Wood said SJSU students have


more opportunities than any Ethiopian person and rather than spending
money on expensive Christmas presents, they should donate to the collection.
"They should ask themselves.
Would I rather buy a gift for someone who is fine and neglect these people who are starving? "he said.
"Support by students would be a
message to other California schools
to help with this cause."
Wood said he has received no response from A.S. executive officers
about helping with the drive.
John Stipicevich, AS. director of
non-traditional minority affairs, said
he felt the timing for the collection
drive was bad because the A.S. officers were too busy to help with the
drive.
But Stipicevich said he still intends to help at the booth.
Tim Kincaid, A.S. business affairs director, said he thinks the timing for the collection is good.
"I think the timing is right because around Christmas people are
in the spirit of giving," Kincaid said.

CSSA to draft legislation


against endorsement law

Joseph De Vera - Daily staff photographer


Cheryl Miller scored 29 points Saturday,against Texas and 3S Friday against Iowa
during the Anheuser Busch Classic at Spar-

tan Gym. She broke three tournament records, tied one and was named tournament
MVP. See story on page 4.

Zeta Phi Beta would like to give


minorities added incentives to continue their college career, said the sororitys president, Sharon Moore.
To meet that goal, Moore and the
sororitys 13 members will sponsor
an open forum on "Minorities in
Search of a Professional Career"
Wednesday at 2 p.m. in the Student
Union Loma Prieta Room.
Career speakers scheduled for
the event include: Ysabel Duran,
news anchorwoman for KICU; Elizabeth Burns, recruiter-coordinator for
the Internal Revenue Service; Rolanda Pierre, San Jose deputy district attorney and an SJSU graduate;
and Lt. Alan L. Clark, Air Force recruiter.
Moore said each representative
will speak 20 minutes, then field questions from the audience.

They will talk about the opportunities and pros and cons of each field,
she said.
The speakers will also have free
pamphlets and other informational
material available.
The sorority is sponsoring the
forum to help meet its community
service requirements, Moore said.
To be accepted by Zeta Phi Beta.
members must be working toward a
four-year degree.
Zeta Phi Beta became a recognized sorority at SJSU in 1963.
Moore said she hopes the sororitys forum will encourage minority
students to continue in college and
pursue a career.
Moore will graduate next August
after completing a Radio-Television
Broadcasting degree.

Machines emulate humans


Artificial Intelligence escapes definition
By Margaret Connor
Daily staff writer
Ask experts what Artificial Intelligence is,
what its present applications are, and what lies in
the future, and they probably wont give the same
answers.
"You cant get a single, clear definition of
what Al is," said Lou Robinson, editor of The Al
Report and publisher of Al Publications.
Speaking to a small group of SJSU continuing
education students at Rickeys Hyatt House in
Palo Alto on Friday, Robinson was one of five
panelists invited to answer questions about Al in
a two-day symposium presented by the Cybernetic Systems Fellowship.
"Al is a way to emulate the human thinking
process in a machine," Robinson said.
Jeffery Perrone, management consultant
and president of Jeffery Perrone Associates in
San Francisco, defined Al differently.

Al is everything you cannot do with machines


yet, he said.
Although the panelists agreed Al is important
to the present and future, one member expressed
skepticism.
"Al has been hyped considerably by people
who make a living at it," said Joel Shurkin, science writer at Stanford University.
Shurkin separated Al into three categories:
robots, expert systems and natural languages.
"Robots will affect the marketplace, replacing manpower in some places where it should be
replaced," Shurkin said.
Miro Valach, general engineering and computer science professor at SJSU, said robots are
the only computers that have a chance to interact
with their environment. Interaction is necessary
for development of conditioned reflexes similar
to those in humans.
continued on back page

Steve Capovilla
,ecturer Jack Miller demonstrates
an Artificial Intelligence program

Daily Vat I photographer

for William Frye, senior staff analyst for TiBuron Systems, Inc.

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Editorial

Fee more trouble than its worth


BILL was sent in August and no secTHE
ond notices were mailed, but the bill collector has sent a final notice to thousands
of SJSU students.
Although theyre not sure how many students have yet to pay the $1.50 that was tacked
on to fall semester fees, how much it will cost
to notify these students or what penalty will be
assessed to those who fail to pay it, SJSUs
Fiscal Services has announced it wants the
money by Dec. 21.
"The majority of students have paid the
fee," said Bill Freidrichs, director of fiscal
services, "but there are several thousand who
have not."
How many havent paid? "Something
under 10,000," Freidrichs estimates. And how
much will be spent to mail out notices? He
thinks it will cost "a few hundred dollars."
As to the penalty for not complying, Freidrichs said delinquent students "may have
trouble getting transcripts."
These vague answers to very real questions have been typical responses to students
Inquiries concerning the fee.
The increase is a bureaucratic headache
for students and administrators. For students,
the fee is an inconvenience that many have
chosen to ignore. For the administration,
there may never be an accurate record of how
many and which students have paid, and the
complication of processing the information

has placed an extra burden on the Office of


Records and the Cashiers Office.
In early August, after learning of the California State University Board of Trustees decision to raise fees $1.50 to compensate for an
unexpected reduction in federal funding, 30,000 notices were printed and included in registration packets mailed between Aug. 6 and
Aug. 14.
With the high cost of living in Santa Clara
Valley, along with the high cost of tuition,
books and transportation, many students
must live on a very tight budget. Although
$1.50 is not a large sum, apparently 10,000 students have decided they could make better
use of the money on food, rent or other necessities.
Since there will apparently be no penalty
for those students who have chosen to forget
the fee increase, the only winners are the students who have not paid and dont intend to
pay.
The poor planning and execution of the fee
increase has weakened its effectiveness and
hurt the credibility of the universities and
their governing body.
If there must be an increase in student
fees, the CSU Board of Trustees and the university should at least implement it with respect toward both the students and the administration.

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the author. Editorials appearing on this page are the
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Binge Boys

Should we come to the aid of a troubled nation?


Through a unanimous vote, Associated Students approved plans to begin an advertising campaign to raise
aid money for Ethiopia.
One person voiced a very important question, however. Glen Gunter, A.S. director of sponsored programs,
asked "Do the students have an obligation to the people
there?"
Well, do we?
Are we responsible for helping a nation where 6 million to 10 million Ethiopians are starving, with 1 million

Margaret
Connor

expected to die in 1965? Up to one-fourth of Ethiopia is suffering from something most of us will fortunately never
experience.
Due to these dire facts, the United States, Great Britain and European countries have been flooding Ethiopia
with food and money..The United States has sent 997.5
million in aid since October 1, according to a Nov. 26 Time
article.
For the time, it is helping. Despite prolonged civil

war, antiquated landing strips, insufficient docks and the


necessity for the military to escort convoys into terroristcontrolled areas, food is reaching some of the hungry.
Relief agencies say they provide 500 grams of emergency food per person, per day. Only 6.4 million have registered to receive aid, which is too low, the agencies say,
because it doesnt include seccessionist guerrillas in the
provinces of Eritrea and Tigre, where the civil war continues.
The temporary relief will preserve lives for a while,
however, during the drought.
Yet it must continue to flow into Ethiopia even after
we stop seeing pictures on TV of starving babies and piles
of dead bodies. Relief agencies estimate 1.8 million tons of
food will be needed in 1985, after this initial flow of aid
ceases.
We must remember that relief is only temporary and
that long-term reform is needed. The entire Ethiopian
population (42 million) needs an estimated 7 million tons
of food a year; it produces only 6 million, much of which is
exported.
A problem exacerbating the drought is government
mismanagement. Conflict between rural peasants and
urban bureaucrats, environmental degradation resulting
in part from guerrilla warfare, and internal friction
within the Marxist government of Lt. Gen. Mengistu
Haile Mariam, hinder the relief effort.
One recent example of gross neglect of the starving
was $100 million in government expenditures for a new
Hall of Congress building. The communist government
celebrated its ten-year anniversary this September and
wanted to spruce up the capital.

Paul
Kozakiewicz

The bums along the wall of East River Drive gladly


shuffled aside to accommodate another body along the
wall, bull felt too young and alive to be there.
The sun was setting on yet another futile attempt at
self-betterment and I was about to return to the wall for a
few swigs of sanity, when she approached from the dark.
"Would you like a flower?" she asked.
a skinny, homely woman with a
She was a flower
peaceful expression of bliss on her face
After explaining my dilemma to this stranger on the
street, the young woman invited me to her "home" for a
hot meal and a warm cot with her brothers and sisters.
suspected religious overtones in her voice, but what the
heck I said to myself, she may just be a nymphomaniac
on the make
Besides, the boys on the wall surely wouldnt miss
me
The womans home was close so we went over to meet
her family Inside, there were about 50 men and women

moving about with a sense of purpose, vacuuming, dusting and preparing supper. It was a communal environment with everyone sharing the work.
Before supper, an extended prayer confirmed my
thoughts of religious affiliation and the slightly balding,
father-like preacher made several references to some
reverend named Moon a new one tome.
I had never heard of this self- proclaimed prophet, but
it didnt make any difference to me.
I had rejected all the man -established religions as
useless by the time I had reached puberty. One religion
was like all the rest all with the same God and the constant historical bickering among themselves. It just
didnt make sense. Theyd been killing each other for centuries in Gods name.
The streets are loaded with self- proclaimed preachers from a thousand different sects. From Times Square
to university campuses these quacks expound the REAL
doctrine of the only REAL God. Couldnt fool me, no way.
If God was ever crazed enough to visit earth, hed
probably end up in a lunatic asylum.
The hot meal at the commune really hit the spot and
the after-dinner session of singing and praying was a welcome break from the harsh realities of the street. Sure I
would spend the night in the welcome arms of this religious retreat.
A hot shower and warm bed lifted my spirits higher.
After a good nights sleep and a delicious breakfast,
one of my roomates from the previous night took me aside
and gave me the scoop.
I could stay with the group indefinitely, room and
board provided, with only one provision. It would be necessary for me to work selling flowers or other trinkets for
the economic survival of the group, and to assist with
finding other less-fortunate individuals like myself.
Sure. I said. When working, at least 80 percent of my
pay went for room and board anyway. Working with the
group would be like any other job minus, perhaps,
some loose change for Friday nights and the luxury of a
private domicile and would serve the immediate purposes of survival until I could get back on my feet.
The weeks trudged by and the attachment to this un-

Ford
NEVER TRUST a speeding
Fairlane."
Now that was definitely a new one
But not as new as the next one. "Never, ever, let
Spike Top drive on the freeway after hes had 15
Molson s."
The logic was Heys. Indeed, after several
weeks of average quaffing, Spike Top and Hey were

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An additional problem is resource mismanagement.


Authors of the book, Natural Disasters: Acts of God or
Acts of Man?, contend that natural disasters such as
drought are caused more by environmental and resource
mismanagement than by too little rain.
They say relief programs should pursue long-range
activities such as promoting drought-resistant seeds and
encouraging inhabitants to plant trees to stop erosion.
This would be good advice for a drought-free Ethiopia. The land has a great diversity of climate, vegetation
and soil. If there is sufficient rain, the growth is luxuriant,
according to a Swedish professor who studied agricultural conditions in Ethiopia in 1971. If there is drought, the
plants either have to adapt themselves to arid conditions,
or die.
Ethiopian highlands, where most of the starving people live, suffer from overpopulation and overcultivation.
The long-term good of a country is important; the
short-term aid is vital. While the United States needs to
offer long-lasting reforms, it should continue to give
short-term aid. Relief agencies have asked for help and
its good to see such an immediate response.
Although our government has already offered much
more aid than we at SJSU can ever give, our contributions
help, too.
Do we have an obligation to Ethiopians?
No, we really dont. But we do have an obligation to
our consciences.
Can we afford to let our fellow man die of starvation
in Ethiopia or India or the United States? Not if we can do
something about it.
We can.

The moon shines on in the hearts of the homeless


The air was cold that early December day. I had been
wandering the streets of New York City for a couple of
days, after having been evicted from my modest one
room shanty on the East Side.
Times were tough in the heartless city. Money had
stopped flowing with the boss decision to save cash and
the landlords decision to make cash by throwing me out
on the street .
The first snowfall of the season lightly coated the
streets and sidewalks as I desperately searched for a job.

Tim
Goodman

nuclear family grew. Every day I improved my terms


with God and eventually started talking and praying to
him. The food even grew on me and became mildly addicting to the taste buds.
Working for the commune became a joy. Earning
ones keep and reaching out to help the less fortunate is
much more satisfying than hanging out at the wall with
the lost and desolate. Sure, I returned to try and help
them, but without success.
But they were just the tip of the iceberg. The streets
are loaded with the lost, broken and maimed.
Excuse me, here comes one now. "Would you like a
flower?"

Letters
Writer should slam down her pen
Editor,
In regards to Mary Greens article on slam dancing,
too attended a recent Ramones concert. Although I am a
Ramones fan, do not consider myself a hard-core punk.
I found both the band and the crowd very entertaining. Mary Green does not like slam dancing. Therefore,
Mary Green thinks it should stop. With that logic in mind,
I say to you that I dont like Mary Greens writing and
think it should stop.
Theresa Millard
Senior
Chemistry

Money makes a winner


Editor,
A campaign spending $400 was defeated by a campaign spending 810,000 more. Even so, the victory was
won by only III votes. These campaigns were against and
for the REC. respectively. However, it would not have
mattered what the issue was money talks.
D. Eric Nelson
Senior
Art

ready to indulge in weirdness. We were at our

favorite drinking establishment, washing away the


ordinary facets of our lives.
Somehow it all seemed so familiar familiarly
dangerous. I had come to the table late, and I knew
immediately I was the only sober one.
"You never really know how good a Snickers
bar is until its festered under your car seat for a
month," Spike Top said.
I looked at both of them and a worried
expression crossed my face. You guys are
absolutely psychotic," I said. They glanced at each
other and worried looks crossed their faces. They
looked at the lady behind me and a worried look
crossed her face.
She started to get up, but they were at her table
within seconds. "Ya see this guy," Hey said,
pointing to me. "He wants to have your baby."
"Yo, wait a minute," Spike Top said. "You
mean she wants to have his baby."
"Can I have another Molson?" I asked the
waitress.
" I he
"I have never been so insulted in all
lady started to say, before being cut off.
". . . Insulted?" Hey said. "Insulted to be
chosen as the carrier of my friends baby? You
disgust me. Dont come crying to us when you want
a kid we wont donate to the likes of you."
Spike Top pulled Hey away from the ruckus he
was creating. He pulled him by the neck through the
crowd that had gathered. Heys heels were making
tracks on the carpet.
"Careful, careful," Spike Top said as he
dragged our crazed friend away. "My date has a
piece of tofu caught in his throat, he could blow at
any moment. Get back!"
Isolated chatter filled the air. We were no longer
wanted. "I dont know those two," I told the waitress
when she brought my beer. "They know you," she
said. "They said you would pay the bill."
IFOUND THEM in the parking lot, two full hours
later. Red, yellow and blue flashing lights filled
the parking lot as I approached. They had
broken 18 windows while playing Nerf football. The
cops looked serious. Hey and Spike Top were not
ready to quit. "Half-time doesnt start for another
three minutes, so kill the lights and hold back the
band," Hey said.
I bailed them from that situation, but they
promptly found another one.
"The pizza should be here any minute," Spike
Top said. "More importantly," Hey said, "the pizza
delivery boy will be here soon. He should be
carrying quite a wad."
"No. I will not let you mug a pizza delivery
boy," I said. There I was, drunk and three years
their junior, acting like a father. "You have to let
us," Spike Top said. "We booked a limo and its
coming to take us to The City."
The situation became ugly after that. I vaguely
remember chasing them around the parking lot,
each one pretending to be a scrambling quarterback
as they tossed the Nerf over my outstretched and
angrily -swinging arms. And then I took a blow to the
head. "Unnecessary roughness, 15 yards and a first
down." They were the last clear words I heard
before I passed out.
I woke in a limousine filled with the stench of
stale pizza. Crumpled dollar bills were on the floor.
A voice came from somewhere near the steering
wheel. "Relax and enjoy the drive; finals are next
week and its time to unwind."
"Wheres the driver?" leaked.
Tim Goodman is the forum editor

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Spartan Daily/Tuesday, December 4, 1984


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Blocked shot

Walker wins Beehive tourney,


while other SJSU matmen buzz
By Marty Picone
Daily staff writer
Spartan wrestler Kraig Walker
finished at the top of his weight division for first -place honors in the Beehive Tournament at Utah State Saturday.
The tournament hosted schools
from nine western universities and
colleges, with each school featuring
10 wrestlers vying for first place
Along with Walker, Spartan
wrestlers Dave Ciprian and Ken
Brison also placed in the tournament,

Wrestling
each finishing fourth.
But it was Walker. 158 pounds,
who wrestled successfully, beating
three opponents.
"Kraig was only predicted to finish up in fourth place," Spartan head
coach Dale Kestel said, "but he
looked very steady and aggressive
and didnt seem to be bothered by the
high elevation."
The city of Logan, where Utah
State is located, has an elevation of
4,500 feet and was the topic of complaints last week when the Spartans
were defeated by the Utah State Aggies in a dual -meet 41-6.
The elevation didnt affect Walkers ability, as he soundly defeated
his opponents.
Walkers first opponent was
Doug Bytendorp of Weber State, who
he defeated 13-3. In the second round
of action Walker faced Lonnie Currier, who was ranked 17th in the nation, and defeated him by a closer
score of 15-12.

Walker then beat K.C. Lane of


Boise State 9-3 for the championship.
"What Walker did, that other
Spartan wrestlers didnt do, was
switch off from one maneuver to another," Kestel explained. "Walker
would work one thing and if it didnt
work out he moved to something
else."
"A few of our other guys got
really frustrated with their wrestling," Kestel continued. "They
would stick with their favorite maneuver and not move on to anything
else. You have to go with your best,
but you also have to be able to move
on."
In the 126-pound division Ciprian
defeated his first opponent, Todd
Perry of Washington State, in the
third period with a pin. But Utah
State wrestler Cordel Anderson came
back to haunt Ciprian with a 10-0 defeat, eliminating Ciprian from the
tournament.
Earlier in SJSUs dual -meet with
Utah it was Anderson who convincingly beat Ciprian 13-2.

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"Dave was so-so throughout the


tournament," Kestel said. "He was
on and off each day he wrestled. I
think he is just lacking concentration
and confidence, right now."
Brison, in the 142-pound class,
was a victor in his first bout against
Bret Ogata of Idaho State, defeating
him 17-1. Brisons next opponent was
Mike McNanney of Wyoming, who
eliminated him from further action
by winning 14-2.
"Ken is just coming off a knee injury and hes lacking the timing and
confidence he needs to be one hundred percent," Kestel said. "Hes
there with his maneuvers but is just a
little behind in timing a half second
late. Hes capable of doing better, but
its just going to take a while to come
back."
The Spartans next opponent is
Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, who they
meet tonight at 7:30 in the Spartan
Gym. SJSU will put their 0-2 dual meet record against coach Vaughan
Hitchcock and his Mustangs 0-1 record

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during a press conference at Tournament of Roses headquarters. "Obviously, we have a lot of athletes who
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"We feel very similar to the way


Ohio State does," said Trojans Coach
Ted Tollner, who will make his first
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"Our football team is very excited."


Bruce remembered that 1980
Rose Bowl game as one in which the
Trojans won in the waning moments
on a long touchdown drive featuring
the running of Heisman Trophy -winning tailback Charles White and the
blocking of giant offensive tackle Anthony Munoz.
This time, he sees Ohio State as
having less experience but more talent, and he also sees Southern Cal
posing the same kind of challenge it
did five years ago.
"We were a very experienced
team then, but we werent as talented
as we are now," Bruce said. "In 1980,
we also played one heck of a USC
team, with 10 first -round draft
choices, a Heisman Trophy winner
and a guy as big as this room in
Munoz."
Bruce said his Big Ten Conference champion Buckeyes, 9-2, will ignore the fact Southern Cal lost its
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So will the Trojans.
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us.
"Our two-game losing streak will
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Tuesday, December 4, 1984/Spartan Daily

Yoriko Noguchl

Daily staff photographer

Spartans foul out of own tourney


By Marty Picone
Daily staff writer
The consolation game for the
Spartan womens basketball team
proved to be no consolation at all in
the fifth-annual Anheuser Busch
Classic last weekend.
The Spartans lost to Iowa, 67-45,
Saturday in their second game of the
tournament after losing to Texas El
Paso, 75-73, Friday night.
In the championship game of the

Basketball
tourney, the Cheryl Miller-led USC
Trojans trounced Texas-El Paso, 7753.
The Spartans loss left them with
a fourth-place finish out of four
teams, and was SJSUs poorest showing in the tournaments short history.
The Spartans had finished second in
the four previous ABC tournaments.
"Overall, I thought we executed
our game plan very well," SJSU head
coach Sharon Chatman said. "But,
obviously, I was not pleased with the
outcome of the game."
After the first few buckets of the
game, the Spartans trailed the Hawkeyes by no less than five points. For
the game, they shot only 28 percent
from the floor compared to Iowas 47
percent.
Iowa opened up tqe game with hopes of catching the SJSU defense
off-guard by passing the ball quickly
around the key to either find a player
open under the basket or get a possible open shot from the outside.
Iowas leading scorer, 6-4 center
Lisa Becker, was a dominant offensive player the Spartans had a tough
time controlling. Becker was responsible for 17 of the Hawkeyes 67 points
and also pulled down four rebounds.
"We tried to take Becker out of
the game and give Iowa the perimeter shot," Chatman said. "Unfortunately, we didnt defense her on the
outside and she ended up having a
good first half and good game."
Becker was a tough player to defense, but 5-11 forward Lisa Long
made it twice as hard on the SJSU defense.
Long was second on the Iowa
squad in scoring with 16 points and
first in rebounding with II. Many
times Long was the Iowa player the
Hawkeye offense found standing
under the basket for an easy two
points.
The Hawkeyes went into the

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locker room with a 37-21 first half


lead. But the Spartans returned to the
floor in the second half with a new detense and offensive attack, and a new
hope of winning the game.
"Defensively we came out with
our regular 2-3 defense in hopes of
trying to cut off their perimeter
shooting and plug the middle to stop
their drive to the net," Chatman said.
Center Rhoda Chew and forward
Roberta Lawson led all SJSU scorers
with 14 and 12 points, respectively.
But Lawson felt the entire Spartan offensive unit could have been more
productive if they were allowed to
continue shooting from the outside.
"I think we needed to have more
perimeter shooting," she said, "but
the coaches told us to slow down the
pace and not shoot from the outside."
But the Iowa defense continued
to hold the Spartans to their low scoring and went on to win the game and
end up with a third-place finish in the
tournament.
"We are never really out -played
or out-classed," Chew said. "We
really worked hard and we just need
to play more together as team,"
"Its frustrating to lose, but
weve taken a step and were taking
an attitude that we just have to correct our faults and play on," Lawson
added.
The Spartans dropped to 1-4 overall, but Chatman still feels that her
team was inches away from better
team play and a victory.
"If we wouldve shot the ball better, we could have won the game,"
,she said. "Our execution was very
good but we didnt shoot too well."

"I felt cold when I came back


in," she said. "But thats still no excuse for making fouls. I never felt
warmed up in the game."
Chatman was a little more
harsher in criticizing the 6-1 pivot.
"Shes got to score points, get rebounds and not make mistakes. Shes
a senior and shes supposed to be
leading us. But it was not just Rhoda.
Shes only part of it."
Foster, the 5-3 point guard,
scored 12 points, but fouled out when
she was called to: charging with 3:53
remaining.
"It was charging," Foster said.
"I should have held it up and ran the
offense."
Aside from a couple of nice
moves to the basket, Foster said she
didnt play well. "I made a lot of

dumb fouls."
The Spartans never trailed until
midway through the second half,
when the Miners Teri Staker (17
points) connected on a three-point
play for a 49-46 lead.
But the Spartans got the lead
back on an eight-point spurt, ignited
by Fosters two buckets and one assist.
The Spartans, though, couldnt
hang on the rest of the way.
Chatman was perturbed by her
teams sputtery play.
"We have a break in concentration in three- to four-minute stretches
and I dont know why that is," she
said. "We cant pick up the tempo the
last three minutes and expect to win.
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Iowas Marva Fuller from scoring in Saturdays consolation
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Fridays games
Texas-El Paso 75, SJSU 73
The Spartans streaked to an 11-0
lead with less than two minutes expired in the first half, but eventually
lost to Texas-El Paso.
Chew and guard Dana Foster,
normally the Spartans most efficient
scorers, fouled out.
Chew, plagued by fouls throughout, exited the game at several junctures in the game, finally leaving for
good with 4:13 left in the second half.
She played just 17 minutes, scoring
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Bloom County

Yesterdaily
Campus

Sports

Two SJSU employees who were ousted from their


union positions in October were reinstated by the California State Employees Association Board of Directors during a union meeting on Nov. 15.
Martha OConnell and Melissa Miller won back their
respective positions as vice president and secretary/treasurer of CSEAs Chapter 307 during the meeting following
a recommendation by CSEA Hearing Officer William
Monsanto.
However, the statewide board denied their grievances of censorship and misconduct against the chapters
executive board.

Claude Gilbert, who led the Spartan football team to a


winning season in his first year as head coach, has been
rewarded with a new contract.

The team of "Fred Krumbein Must Die" fulfilled its


goal Friday when it won the on-campus College Bowl by
defeating Krumbeins team, Delta, from Tau Delta Phi.
The Fred Krumbein Must Die team win marks the
first time in seven years that a team from Tau Delta Phi
has not won the competition.
Members of the winning team include Phil Parent, a
geography student; Jose McNeil, a finance student, and
Chuck Miller and Mick Van Valkenburg, English students. They will split a $100 first prize and the Deltas will
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through the 1986 season, has been extended two years to
1988.
"Im very pleased to accept the extension on my contract," Gilbert said. "Im delighted that our president,
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The Spartan womens volleyball team beat the Purdue Boilermakers Thursday in an NCAA match in the
Spartan Gym.
Centering its attack on the middle, the Spartans won
the first-round match 5-15, 15-8, 15-9, 15-13. The key cogs in
the offense were setter Teri DeBusk and middle blockers
Barbara Higgins and Felicia Schuller.

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Page I;

Slap stick

Suit challenges
constitutionality
of CSU guideline
Changes sought in state law
continued from page I
Chris Roeckl, spokesman for the
Lumberjacks editorial board, said
yesterday that the editorial board got
involved, in part, "so that the suit
would remain valid after Adam graduates in December."
"Hopefully, we will receive a
permanent injunction of Title 5 and
ultimately an amendment to the administrative code that will allow student papers to endorse candidates,"
Roeckl said.
Seemann, along with other officials named in the suit who would not
comment yesterday, said that they
"have been advised by counsel not to
do so."
Speaking for the university, Michael Wartell, vice president of academic affairs said, "Obviously, our
legal position is in support of Title 5,"
but added, "Mr. Truitt is testing the
law, which is the way of our society.
Hes going about this in a very professional manner and the university
holds no animosity towards him."
Truitt could not be reached for
comment.
Prepared by attorney Arnie
Braafladt, the suit alleges unreasonable and unconstitutional interference with First Amendment rights.
"The restrictions placed on the
paper requiring an editorial to be
signed interferes with the freedom of
expression that is provided for under
the First Amendment," Braafladt
said.

Steve Capovilla - Daily staff photographer


In a duel that is anything but funny,
two SJSU Kendo Club members duel

with bamboo sticks between games


played during the .nheuser-Busch

womens basketball tournament Saturday in Spartan Gym.

Robots seen as boost in intelligence


continued from page i
"People are afraid to say computers have intelligence," Valach
said.
Because a definition of awareness doesnt exist, people dont know
if the computer doesnt have intelligence of its own, he said.
Valach has been interested in Al
for years. In his 1965 book about Al,
Comparisons of Living systems and
Artificial Intelligence, Valach and
co-author Clear compared artificial
systems with human beings.
In addition to robots, expert systems are included under the definition of Al.
Expert systems take a decisionmaking process, which is implicit
knowledge not readily verbalized,
and break it into steps a computer
can understand, Perrone said.
The third aspect of Al, natural
languages, includes how to talk in

English to the computer and using


the computer to translate languages,
Shurkin said.
On the second day of the symposium, various At applications were
demonstrated.
One was a rule-based expert system used to represent and reason
with data the way an expert does.
"Expert systems are used as an
aid to an individual," said Jack
Miller, a cybernetic systems program lecturer and systems engineer
at Intellicorp. "The system would not
replace an expert."
Programmed into the machine
are a set of if-then statements the
computer uses in conjunction with
knowledge entered, Miller said. For
example, one instruction in a system
used to maintain temperatures might
read, " if the temperature is 95 degrees, then turn on the fan." The

computer would turn on the fan when


the temperature reached 95 degrees.
Also demonstrated were two diagnostic systems. One is a system
used to plan the most efficient way to
load an airplane. What normally
takes a man six to eight hours to plan
takes the computer about 15 seconds.
The other diagnoses anything
from disease symptoms to whether a
saleman should receive compensation for his business trips.
As for future Al applications, all
panelists agreed development is taking longer than originally expected.
The impact is slower than expected, said David R. Brown, manager for SRI International, but it will
be great.
"In the future. I can foresee application that go far beyond rulebased systems." Brown said.
Robinson foresaw many applica-

Newspaper ad manager chosen


Spartan Daily advertising staff
member Mike Vail has been chosen
advertising manager for the Spring
115 semester.
Vail, who was an account manager at Solar Energy Sales in Santa
Rosa, was named to the position by
this semesters managing staff, together with adviser Clyde Lawrence.
The managing staff will also include the following: Rosemary
Decker, retail manager; Diane Bonagura, special sections manager: and
Brad Terres, production manager.
Vail does not plan any changes in
advertising methods, such as the appearance or layout of ads, but he
wants to make the staff more professional by including critiques of the
Dailys ads.
He said the current critique con -

slots of "stroking students- rather


than criticizing them. Next semester
Vail wants to organize a daily critique, similar to the editorial staffs,
that is "more serious and to the
point."
"Its important for (advertising)
students to go through what the editorial staff goes through," he said.

how to approach it," Crane said. "We


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the director of student services. She
went through it with us step by step."
With a constitution approved by
the school, the club will be entitled to
receive funds for its functions from
the Associated Students.
"We have to have a specific function in mind and then draw up a budget," Crane said. "Plus we get free
banking services and the use of
rooms on campus.
"If youre not a recognized club,
you dont have access to these
things."
As a start-up group, recruiting
students for the club has been a problem, she said, adding that the department was small and had about 200
students to recruit from.
"Getting students interested
when you dont have a lot of activities
has been a problem," she said.
Brown said the club was necessary to form cohesion between students who major in economics. He
said economics majors were mixed
in with business students and did not
have any way of distinguishing themselves from business majors.
"When you have a group of people with a similar understanding,
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Econ Club back after 10-year absence


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After being absent from SJSU for
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not familiar with the process for getting a constitution, she said.
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"These restrictions arent rationally related to any of the states


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"Lets say that the states goal is
to insure that endorsements arent
seen as connected with CSU," he
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"I dont know why anyone would
associate the voice of the Lumberjack with that of the CSU, but if
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"Sometimes it is difficult to converse with a professor," he said.
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