HOUSE HEARING, 105TH CONGRESS - H.R. 4243, GOVERNMENT WASTE, FRAUD, AND ERROR REDUCTION ACT OF 1998; H.R. 2347, THE FEDERAL BENEFIT VERIFICATION AND INTEGRITY ACT; AND H.R. 2063, THE DEBT COLLECTION WAGE INFORMATION ACT OF 1997
HOUSE HEARING, 105TH CONGRESS - H.R. 4243, GOVERNMENT WASTE, FRAUD, AND ERROR REDUCTION ACT OF 1998; H.R. 2347, THE FEDERAL BENEFIT VERIFICATION AND INTEGRITY ACT; AND H.R. 2063, THE DEBT COLLECTION WAGE INFORMATION ACT OF 1997
H.R. 4243, GOVERNMENT WASTE, FRAUD, AND ERROR REDUCTION
ACT OF 1998; H.R. 2347, THE FEDERAL BENEFIT VERIFICATION
AND INTEGRITY ACT; AND HR. 2063, THE DEBT COLLECTION
WAGE INFORMATION ACT OF 1997
HEARING
BEFORE THE
SUBCOMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT MANAGEMENT,
INFORMATION, AND TECHNOLOGY
OF THE
COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT
REFORM AND OVERSIGHT
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
ONE HUNDRED FIFTH CONGRESS
SECOND SESSION
ON
LR. 4243
TO REDUCE WASTE, FRAUD, AND ERROR IN GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS
BY MAKING IMPROVEMENTS WITH RESPECT TO FEDERAL MANAGE-
MENT AND DEBT COLLECTION PRACTICES, FEDERAL PAYMENT SYS-
TEMS, FEDERAL BENEFIT PROGRAMS, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES
AND ON
HLR. 2347
TO ENSURE THE ACCURACY OF INFORMATION REGARDING THE ELIGI-
BILITY OF APPLICANTS FOR BENEFITS UNDER FEDERAL BENEFIT
PROGRAMS AND ON
LR. 2063
TO DIRECT THE SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES TO
MAKE AVAILABLE TO THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURE INFORMA-
TION FROM THE NATIONAL DIRECTORY OF NEW HIRES FOR USE IN
COLLECTING DELINQUENT DEBT OWED TO THE FEDERAL GOVERN-
MENT, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES
MARCH 2, 1998
Serial No. 105-143
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ISBN 0-16-057316-5COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT REFORM AND OVERSIGHT
DAN BURTON, Indiana, Chairman
BENJAMIN A. GILMAN, New York HENRY A. WAXMAN, California
J. DENNIS HASTERT, Illinois TOM LANTOS, California
CONSTANCE A. MORELLA, Maryland ROBERT E. WISE, Jn., West Virginia
CHRISTOPHER SHAYS, Connecticut ‘MAJOR R. OWENS, New York
STEVEN SCHIFF, New Mexico EDOLPHUS TOWNS, New York
CHRISTOPHER COX, California PAUL E. KANJORSKI, Pennsylvania
ILEANA ROS-LEHTINEN, Florida GARY A. CONDIT, California
JOHN M. McHUGH, New York CAROLYN B. MALONEY, New York
STEPHEN HORN, California THOMAS M, BARRETT, Wisconsin
JOHN L. MICA, Florida ELEANOR HOLMES NORTON, Washington,
‘THOMAS M. DAVIS, Virginia De
DAVID M. McINTOSH, Indiana CHAKA FATTAH, Pennsylvania
MARK E. SOUDER, Indiana ELIJAH E. CUMMINGS, Maryland
JOE SCARBOROUGH, Florida DENNIS J. KUCINICH, Ohio
JOHN B. SHADEGG, ‘Arizona ROD R. BLAGOJEVICH, Illinois
STEVEN C, LATOURETTE, Ohio DANNY K. DAVIS, Illinois
MARSHALL “MARK” SANFORD, South JOHN F. TIERNEY, Massachusetts
Carolina JIM TURNER, Texas
JOHN E. SUNUNU, New Hampshire THOMAS H. ALLEN, Maine
PETE SESSIONS, Texas HAROLD E. FORD, Jr., Tennessee
MICHAEL PAPPAS, New Jersey =
VINCE SNOWBARGER, Kensas BERNARD SANDERS, Vermont
BOB BARR, Georgia (Independent)
DAN MILLER, Florida
Kevin BINGER, Staff Director
DanIgL R. MOLL, Deputy Staff Director
‘WinttaM Moscuenta, Deputy Counsel and Parliamentarian
dJupiTH McCoy, Chief Clerk
Pun. ScHILIRO, Minority Staff Director
SUBCOMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT MANAGEMENT, INFORMATION, AND TECHNOLOGY
STEPHEN HORN, California, Chairman
PETE SESSIONS, Texas DENNIS J. KUCINICH, Ohio
THOMAS M. DAVIS, Virginia PAUL E. KANJORSKI, Pennsylvania
JOE SCARBOROUGH, Florida MAJOR R. OWENS, New York
‘MARSHALL “MARK” SANFORD, South CAROLYN B. MALONEY, New York
Carolina JIM TURNER, Texas
JOHN E. SUNUNU, New Hampshire
EX OFFICIO
DAN BURTON, Indiana HENRY A. WAXMAN, California
J. RUSSELL GEORGE, Staff Director and Chief Counset
‘MARK BRASHER, Senior Policy Director
‘Marruew EBERT, Clerk
MARK STEPHENSON, Minority Professional Staff Member
aCONTENTS
Page
Hearing held on March 2, 1998 1
Text of H.R. 4243 .. 3
Text of HR. 2347 4
Text of HR. 2063 15
Statement of:
Brian, Danielle, executive director, Project on Government Oversight ...... 115
DeSeve, G. Edward, Acting Deputy Director for Management, Office of
Management and Budget. 28
Hammond, Don, Acting Fiscal Assistant Secretary, Department of the
‘Treasury
Lee, Karen, Acting inspector General, Small Business Administration,
and Chairperson, the President's Council on Integrity and Efficiency,
Ad Hoe Committee on Benefit Eligibility Verification ..
Longanecker, David, Assistant Secretary for Postsecondary Education,
Department of Education, accompanied by Tom Pestka, Director, Debt
jon Service
Letters, statements, etc., submitted for the record by:
Brian, Danielle, executive director, Project on Government Oversight,
B statement of ug
DeSeve, G. Edward, Acting Deputy Directo:
‘Management and Budget:
Information concerning Export-Import bank 42
Prepared statement 33.
Hammond, Don, Acting Fis
‘Treasury, prepared statement of 4
Horn, Hon! Stephen, a Represent
California, p statement of WwW
Kucinich, Hon. Dennis J., a Rey
of Ohio, prepared statement 21
, ing Inspector General, ,
‘and Chairperson, the President's Council on Integrity and Efficiency,
Ad Hoc Committee on Benefit Eligibility Verification, prepared state.
ment of 105
orperenent of) Edenton Prepared statement of. 91
faloney, Hon. Carolyn B., a Representative in Congre:
of New York, prepared statement of .. 25
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Sharon Murl Van Leeuwen, William W.J. Van Leeuwen v. United States of America, State of Arkansas, U.S. Judge Donald P. Lay, U.S. Judge Franklin H. Waters, U.S. Attorney General Edwin Meese, Iii, U.S. District Attorney J. Michael Fitzhugh, U.S. Assistant Attorney Mark Webb, U.S. Assistant Attorney Deborah J. Groom, Ark. Chancery Judge John Lineberger, Ark. Circuit Judge Robert McCorkindale Ark. Attorney General Steve Clark, Ark. Prosecuting Attorney Gordon Webb, Ark. Deputy Prosecuting Attorney Gary Isbell, First National Bank, Harrison, Covington & Younes, Thomas Ledbetter, 868 F.2d 300, 1st Cir. (1989)
Southland Royalty Company, Phillips Petroleum Company, Shell Oil Company, Chevron U.S.A., Inc., the Superior Oil Company, the Union Oil Company of California, Wilshire Oil Company of Texas, Anadarko Production Company, and Texaco, Inc., Cross-Appellees, State of Utah, Lynn C. Baker, Individually, and as Treasurer of the State of Utah, Utah State Tax Commission, David L. Duncan, Chairman, and Douglas Sonntag, Georgia B. Peterson and Robert D. Bowen, Individually, and as Members of the Utah State Tax Commission, Utah State Board of Oil, Gas and Mining, Charles Henderson, Chairman, and John L. Bell, Thadis W. Box, C. Ray Juvelin, Edward T. Beck, Constance K. Lundberg, and E. Steele McIntyre Individually, and as Members of the Utah State Board of Oil, Gas and Mining, San Juan County, Utah, Edward S. Boyle, William G. Dunow and Calvin Black, Individually, and as Commissioners of San Juan County, Utah, Marian Bayles, Individually, and as San Juan County Treasurer, and Barbara Montella, Indiv