Favel ancestory

Sarah TROUT was my 4th gr grand aunt..she was married

to *Thomas FAVELL a son of John H. FAVELL [ englishman ]

and *TITAMEG my 5th great grandmother.. Facebook

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Andrea Menard11:53am

Andrea Menard

Good day Andrea...did you know, we maybe related after all....Brenda Menard a mutual
relative found out she and I had mutual great great...grand parents of John Favel and
Sarah Trout aka Atigamik. We

Heidi K. Wildfox11:44am

Heidi K. Wildfox

Didn 't read your info, but you are from?

Malcolm Andrews10:37am

Malcolm Andrews

You shared a link.



Milton Tootoosis10:31am

Milton Tootoosis

check out BRHC website

Celine Pewapsconias10:08am

Celine Pewapsconias

Esther Albert (nee: Noon is good with Steak Dinner...she is willing to come and sing at
pre -steak dinner

Joseph Bryan A Anderson9:58am

Joseph Bryan A Anderson

Geez Joseph, now you are in Cando, Sk...ya sure move around...smile emoticon

 Ray Albert9:37am

Ray Albert

Ok... hy hy!

Cynthia Lerat9:06am

Cynthia Lerat

Ok

Leah Uchida7:06am

Leah Uchida

Good morning...i befriended you in hopes to become a good in friendship and leads
toward a career in herbs and other natural healing programs in Canada...

 Barbara Sturm7:00am

Barbara Sturm

Barbara sent a sticker.

Dolly Nighttraveller5:16am

Dolly Nighttraveller

Good morning... you awake yet?

Esther Albert5:15am

Esther Albert

There...found you. I sent a note first to your partner and ask him for your presence at an
event on LP. The proper protocol of asking the husband first. Anyway, if you are not too
busy on the evening

Clare Wray1:57am

Clare Wray
 Thank you

Velma Myo11:09pm

Velma Myo

ha ha... getting to her place now... yup, should be good...

Rose LamemanSun

Rose Lameman

We were in same class ? Suzie Cardinal was class mate too

Marnell WeikleSun

Marnell Weikle

ok

 Nadine FavelSun

Nadine Favel

Ok

Evelyn's VipassanaSun

Evelyn's Vipassana

Tansi, as we say in Plains Cree, I just saw your hat, it is awesome and would like to be
friends and be able to chat with you regarding yourself of coarse and then onto the
making of the hat... I do

Resa KittingerSun

Resa Kittinger

Did I spell that right? Lol

 Miranda J KasokeoSun

Miranda J Kasokeo

My ndn handle is Kihew Awasis (Eagle Child) and wonder it it's ok to borrow your pic?

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Brenda Menard

Conversation started April 28

4/28, 7:51am

Malcolm Andrews

Good morning...my name is Malcolm. I would like to express my appreciation of your

research items. I am a mix of Saulteaux, Assiniboine, Cree, Scotch, and German. On the
Metis side I am of Favel ancestory (Basil Favel) and would certainly like to find out
more. Anyway, I have enjoyed reading your info ...smile emoticon

4/28, 10:29am

Brenda Menard

Good Morning Malcolm. We're close to the same ancestry's. My maternal lines are
Saulteaux / Cree / Swampy Cree, Scotch and German...I have Favell / Favel ancestry as
my maternal 5th gr grandmother was *TITAMEG who m. John H. FAVELL [ an
Englishman ]. Two of their daughter's married into my Scottish family lineage: *Mary
FAVELL m. John MCKAY and *Native Woman aka Jane CREE aka Jane FAVELL
m.John BALLENDINE. My Paternal ancestry is Cree/ Chippewa/ Anishinaabe/ Abenaki,
French and English. Quite the mix. I have only a few Favel / Favell names in my Family
Tree data base...Basil is not there...but rings a bell. Would you happen to know who his
parents were.... Very nice to meet you...i'm out the door for the day. You have a great day.

 4/28, 10:37am

Malcolm Andrews

Thank you for responding, I will ask my uncle for names.

April 30

4/30, 7:36pm

Brenda Menard

Hi Malcolm. I've done a bit of looking about and Basil Favel has been a difficult find.
Near to nothing so far...only this: Favel, Basil - a Mtis of Poundmaker's Band. Might he
be your ancestor?http://www.scribd.com/doc/117023489/li-Exovede-Metis-Names-
List#scribd

li Exovede & Mtis Names List

li Exovede & Mtis Names List 580 Franco-Mtis, Anglo-Mtis, First Nations, Whites,
Patriots, Conscripts, Dominion Sympathizers, Traitors, Men and Women, Elders, Child-
Soldiers, and others involved in the 1885 Canadian Invasion of the North-West
Territories, the Resistance,

scribd.com

 4/30, 7:59pm

Brenda Menard

Hi again Malcolm. It appears [ ? ] that Basil FAVEL was a Metis who received Treaty and
obtained First Nations Status...which is why he may be difficult to locate on line as treaty
and status records are generally not open on line. They must be requested in writing.

4/30, 9:28pm

Malcolm Andrews

Good evening! Yes, this is him. My grandfather Adam Tootoosis' mother was/is Marie
Therese Favel of whom is the daughter of Basil Favel.

4/30, 9:31pm

Brenda Menard

I've not been able to locate his parents...

yet !!

4/30, 9:34pm

Malcolm Andrews

I am aware of a grandmother named Sarah Trout of whom was taken as wife to an

englishman Favel

Of the Favels in England, I did locate a Favel Coat of Arms

4/30, 9:37pm
 Malcolm Andrews

4/30, 9:37pm

Brenda Menard

Sarah TROUT was my 4th gr grand aunt..she was married to *Thomas FAVELL a son of
John H. FAVELL [ englishman ] and *TITAMEG my 5th great grandmother..

4/30, 9:38pm

Brenda Menard

Tittameg is believed to be translated as 'White Fish' is Cree.

Titameg was born about 1750 in Rupertsland and married John Favell, Jr according to the
custom of the day. She was called his 'Country Wife.,". John was born before 1740 in
Southwark, England. And like many of the Hudson Bay Company's male employees John
started a new family Rupert's Land. Based on the location of the Trading Post we might
guess that Titameg was Cree, perhaps the daughter of the Chief as the practice of Traders
forming relationships with local people through custom marriage was common in those
days.Another variation of her name is Tittameg meaning whitefish in English.

When John Favell died November 2, 1784 at Henley House, Rupertsland, he was in his
20th year of service with HCB. During this time his positions included Writer, Second
Accountant, Second in Command, Master and finally Deputy. He left a will concerned
with proper future provisions for his Indian wife Titameg and their children, Jane,
Humphrey Martin, Mary and Thomas. It is from Thomas's marriage to another Cree
Indian, Sally Trout, that I decend. [Written by couisn Serena Willis]

4/30, 9:39pm

Malcolm Andrews
 Of my fn lineage, I am aware of being of Big Bear's family tree

4/30, 9:40pm

Brenda Menard

Would Big Bear have been your Maternal or Paternal lineage...

So...would you believe that Basil Favel was a daughter of Sarah TROUT and *Thomas
FAVELL / FAVEL ?

sorry ** a son of """...

4/30, 9:44pm

Malcolm Andrews

Wow! I did mix myself up somewhat, but i am pleased of what you presented .... I saw
the information at my uncle's place.

4/30, 9:46pm

Brenda Menard

so...we may be distant cousins thru our Favell / Favel / Titameg ancestry...

4/30, 9:46pm

Malcolm Andrews

Yes... definitely

 4/30, 9:47pm

Brenda Menard

Wow.....all our relations !!

4/30, 9:48pm

Malcolm Andrews

As for my lineage to BB, both, I found out my parents are kin

4/30, 9:49pm

Brenda Menard

i'll search that line some more and get back to you with what i can locate....

4/30, 9:49pm

Malcolm Andrews

Apparently, the saulteaux belief is, it is ok to partner with maternal side of family...
maybe you understand some of that belief

It is through my mother, Margaret Tootoosis, that I am linked to the Favel family

If you don't mind, I will send you pics of my research efforts.... ok?

4/30, 9:54pm

Brenda Menard
 I understand....many different cultural reasons for relationships .....one of your relations
that i met as a young girl...i'll never forget...he took time to sit and speak with
me...Earnest Tootoosis...he was a very spiritual man....taught me much in a short time...

if you'd like to share your research....that would be fine....ty

4/30, 9:56pm

Malcolm Andrews

Oh ok, yeah, Ernest is brother to my immediate mushoom Adam Tootoosis. Did he know
you were kin?

4/30, 9:57pm

Brenda Menard

No....he did not...neither did i....how blessed am i....brings tears to me eyes...

**my eyes ***....i've never forgotten meeting him....i was in my teens then

4/30, 9:59pm

Malcolm Andrews

4/30, 10:00pm

Malcolm Andrews

My parents, Lawrence Weenie and Margaret Tootoosis.



4/30, 10:00pm

Brenda Menard

Thank you Malcolm...miiqwetch / marcii

4/30, 10:00pm

Malcolm Andrews

4/30, 10:03pm

Brenda Menard

who is she Malcolm....who are the pictures...

4/30, 10:04pm

Malcolm Andrews

My late dad's mother, Harriette Atimoyoo, daughter of George A and Mildred Katcheech.
The grandparents enlisted with Little Pine but came from the group who held out from
signing treaties. They lived by Manitou Lake.

4/30, 10:06pm

Malcolm Andrews


4/30, 10:07pm

Malcolm Andrews

This is pic of the ole people and the children are my aunt and uncle Erland Terrence and
Sandra Atimoyoo

4/30, 10:08pm

Brenda Menard

I'm take a few minutes...i'm going to go and say a prayer / smudge.....i'll catch up with
you soon...Again...thank you

4/30, 10:08pm

Malcolm Andrews

Smith Atimoyoo is their father and mother is Rose Morin

4/30, 10:08pm

Brenda Menard

chat with you soon...

4/30, 10:08pm
 Malcolm Andrews

Yes... ok.

mway stuhs!

May 1

5/1, 2:43pm

Brenda Menard

Hi Malcolm...I found him..in census records,,,,which i'll share with you when i finish
work this evening. Thou it still does not list his, Basil Favel's, parents. Are you able to
share who you know to be his parents and then this grandparents so that i can correctly
connect the lines so that we can legitimately put this to notes. Miigwetch & Blessings...
ttyl

May 1

5/1, 9:25pm

Brenda Menard

Hi Malcolm....with some assistance from a wonderful genealogist i know...this is what we

can kinda put together. We still do NOT have the parents of Basil Sr. FAVEL. From
census records we have located: This is Basil Sr. Favel :

5/1, 9:26pm

Brenda Menard

1 Basil FAVEL b: 1852 in the North West Territories d: 1937 in Battleford District,
Saskatchewan PARENTS: Unknown Further identified in the 1901 NWT Census: 16 13
144 Favel Basil M Head M 49 16 14 144 Favel Eliza F Wife M 49 16 15 144 Favel Basil
M Son S 18 16 16 144 Favel Thomas M Son S 16 16 17 144 Favel Johnnie M Son S 14
Source Information: 1901 Census of Canada Subdistrict: Battleford (Agency/Agence),
 SASKATCHEWAN, THE TERRITORIES District Number: 205 Subdistrict Number:
AG-1 Archives Microfilm: T-6555

5/1, 9:41pm

Brenda Menard

We find him again: Canada Census, 1901 Name: Basil Favel Event Type: Census Event
Date: 31 Mar 1901 Event Place: , Saskatchewan, The Territories, Canada Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married Religion: Roman Catholic Relationship to Head of Household:
Head Birth Year (Estimated): 1852 Page: 16 Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Basil Favel Head M 49 Johnie Favel Son M 14 Eliza Favel Wife F 49 Frank Favel Son M
30 Thomas Favel Son M 16 Family Number:
144 .........................................................................................................................................
........................................And again:

Further identified in the 1911 Saskatchewan Census: 1911 Census of Canada Home /
1911 / Saskatchewan / Battleford / 52 Indian Reserves / page 8 31 92 Favil Basil M Head
M 1850 61 32 92 Favil Eliza F Wife M 1878 53 33 92 Witford Sarah F Sister W 1866 45
** Identified in the Next Household **... 34 93 Favil Tom M Head M 1886 25 35 93
Favil Cathrine F Wife M 1893 18 36 93 Moosomin Bissie F Mother W 1873 38
************** Canada Census, 1911 Name: Basil Favil Event Type: Census Event
Date: 1911 Event Place: Battleford Sub-Districts 1-58, Saskatchewan, Canada Gender:
Male Age (Estimated): 61 Marital Status: Married Relationship to Head of Household:
Head Birth Date: 1850 Birthplace: Saskatchewan Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Basil Favil Head M Saskatchewan Eliza Favil Wife F Saskatchewan Sarah Witford Sister
F Saskatchewan District: Battleford , Household ID: 92 ************ Further identified
in the 1916 Saskatchewan Census: Canada Census, 1916 Name: Basil Favel Event Type:
Census Event Date: 1916 Event Place: Saskatchewan, Canada Gender: Male Age: 66
Marital Status: Married Ethnicity: Cree Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Birthplace: Canada Sask Birth Year (Estimated): 1850 Province: Saskatchewan District
Number: Indian Reserves Page: 1 Affiliate Film Number: T-21956 Household Role
Gender Age Birthplace Basil Favel Self M 66y Canada Sask Eliza Favel Wife F 51y
Canada Sask Family Number: 5, Line Number:
32............................................................................................................................................
.................................Basil Sr. FAVEL had a son also named Basil Jr. FAVEL who was b.
1883 on the Poundmaker Reserve near Battleford, North West Territories [Saskatchewan]
who married Jemima UNKNOWN b: 1890 in the Poundmaker Reserve near Battleford,
North West Territories [Saskatchewan] m: 1905. Children listed are: ..... 1. Julie FAVEL
b: 1906 in Battleford District, Saskatchewan d: Unknown ..... 2. Maggie FAVEL b: 1911
in Battleford District, Saskatchewan d: Unknown ..... 3. Cecile FAVEL b: 1913 in
Battleford District, Saskatchewan d: Unknown ..... 4. Marie FAVEL b: 1915 in Battleford
District, Saskatchewan d:
 Unknown . .............................................................................................................................
...................................Is # 4 your Marie Therese Favel maybe?

May 4

5/4, 6:14pm

Malcolm Andrews

I shared info with my uncle Floyd Favel, and we like to think it is her.

Cecile Favel became C Kasokeo and Maggie Favel became M Swindler of Sweet Grass
for sure here

5/4, 6:36pm

Brenda Menard

smile emoticon

5/4, 6:38pm

Malcolm Andrews

You are an awesome lady Brenda.... again, very pleased to meet you and have really
helped my well being

5/4, 8:37pm

Brenda Menard

Thank you Malcolm..you have been very kind. I'm happy to have met you as well. It's
been thousands of hours of searching & typing the past 15 years of doing research . But I
find it important not to let this to fade into history. Blessings to you and yours.


5/4, 9:52pm

Malcolm Andrews

Hy hy, you are a blessing to me and my family.

well... 'our' family ties... I shared some already with our relatives

Say... is Andrea Menard a close relative?

5/4, 11:33pm

Brenda Menard

Andrea Menard is a cousin twice...on my paternal side...she is my 3rd and my 4th cousin.
I've not been able to do her maternal lineage as yet....

5/4, 11:38pm

Malcolm Andrews

Oh ok, thank you

May 6

5/6, 9:37pm

Malcolm Andrews

Oops... that is, Maggie Swimmer

 5/6, 9:38pm

Brenda Menard

? lol

5/6, 9:38pm

Malcolm Andrews

That is Maggie F of whom married Sam Swimmer.

5/6, 9:39pm

Brenda Menard

ok...got cha.... smile emoticon

5/6, 9:39pm

Malcolm Andrews

Would it be ok for me to send people your way if they have jnquiries?

5/6, 9:40pm

Brenda Menard

Ok...sure...i'll do the best i can...

5/6, 9:41pm
 Malcolm Andrews

Do you go to communities and teach families how to research and access their family
ties?

And what do ask for ?

5/6, 9:47pm

Brenda Menard

I don't do that Malcolm as i'm self taught. I had wonderful mentor's many years ago who
helped me....So i just 'pay-it-forward so to speak...i dont charge to help my relations as
there is no guarantee that we'll find what is needed.....sometimes we run into 'brick walls'
as i call it ...no documents...no proof other then family stories... sometimes those stories
are enough for our selves...but many institutions etc etc..even other other people want
documents.....i just help as i can....

5/6, 9:50pm

Malcolm Andrews

Oh my... what a wonderful person you are to do that, and yes, there are dead ends
sometime

I am interested to find kookums...it seems they get lost in shuffles sling the way.

5/6, 9:51pm

Brenda Menard

Often folk have to pay for their own documents and those of their parents and
grandparents...just that can sometimes run between 100 to 200 dollars depending on the
province...
 for you...you would need your parents " LONG " form birth certificates...then the "
LONG " form b/certifivated of their parents...then may have to find church / baptism
records etc etc...

** b/ certificates **

thats just an example of what a person needs to begin..

5/6, 9:55pm

Malcolm Andrews

Yes... I would like to access the treaty payment lists and have had some results of the
reaidetial school records

5/6, 9:57pm

Brenda Menard

a limited amount of those records are available online....very few of them...for that, a
person needs to go the Band Admin and request the enrollment scrolls

5/6, 9:59pm

Malcolm Andrews

Oh ok yes

5/6, 10:00pm

Brenda Menard

Then you hope the records....especially the older ones are accurate....
 Often the Indian agents did them...the older ones...and many are written wrong..

but if a person is diligent...can often figure them out..

5/6, 10:06pm

Malcolm Andrews

Yes... of my grandpa (Adam Tootoosis) that is true... his biological father is George
Atimoyoo but himself and Kookum Constance Paskemin, both siblings of GA, they are
registered with John Tootoosis Sr as he took them as his own when he took Marie
Therese Favel as his wife.

5/6, 10:07pm

Brenda Menard

i saw one way that Tootoosis had been written ans it was " Toshis "...

My son is here for a late dins....will catch up with soon...have a good evening...Blessings.

5/6, 10:29pm

Malcolm Andrews

Yes... mway stuhs.

May 21

5/21, 11:57pm

Malcolm Andrews
 Good evening... I have a friend and she wants to know what may exist of Gervais folk.
Her name is Debbie Gervais and her parents are Art and Grace Gervais of whom now live
in Barthel, Sask.

5/22, 12:03am

Brenda Menard

Hi Malcolm...Is it possible to get the name of her Gervais Grandparents?

5/22, 12:32am

Malcolm Andrews

Oh ok eill ask her

May 25

5/25, 10:28am

Malcolm Andrews

Good morning my friend and relative... I have shared your name with a couple others
again... I just need your blessing so you can be aware of either of them wanting to
communicate with you.

5/25, 10:54am

Brenda Menard

Good Morning Malcolm. Very good to hear from you again. Yes..of course....i look
forward to hearing from them and helping as best i can. Grateful for this new day. smile
emoticon


5/25, 10:56am

Malcolm Andrews

Yes... definitely... how old were you with your profile pic ? When younger also, and
having known Ernest Tootoosis, did you have long hair then?

5/25, 11:00am

Brenda Menard

Hi....lol....when i met Ernest i was in my late teen's 18-19...and my hair was very long. In
this profile pic i suspect i was around 30....

5/25, 11:09am

Malcolm Andrews

Yes... I don't remember who it was, but that came up, that young woman (you) that had
been here

5/25, 11:19am

Malcolm Andrews

Yup, so you are remembered here on Poundmaker

Do you have a pic of yourself of that era by chance...

5/25, 11:40am
 Brenda Menard

I traveled out to Brandon Manitoba when i was 17/18...I was with a small group of
people from the A.I.M. House in Vancouver. It was such a long time ago ..i can't
remember who all i met or traveled with. We traveled by bus. Thou i was with Winona,
'Noni', Wheeler when i got to Brandon. I went and stayed with the 'Pierre' Family from
Roseau River Rez in Winnipeg..I was socializing with people such as Lyle Ironstand, Les
Howse, Victor PIerre and Terrance 'Terry' Nelson. We did travel around a bit. I can not
remember if I met Ernest in Vancouver before i left the A.I.M. House or if i met him
along the way in Winnipeg. From there i moved down to Roseau River rez, for about a
year before i came back West to the Coast. I do vividly remember sitting and talking with
him...he was tall/slender, long braids..cowboy hat and a wonderful Human Being.

5/25, 11:43am

Malcolm Andrews

Winona ? Oh ok, Tyrone is my cousin.

Yes... as kids of my family, we use to attend church services at their house.

5/25, 11:45am

Brenda Menard

Yes...Winona and Tyrone....she is on my 'friends list'...

5/25, 11:49am

Malcolm Andrews

Yes... they have or had been in group advocating for indigenous issues back then too.

5/25, 11:50am
 Brenda Menard

I dont really have a picture during that time....

5/25, 11:51am

Malcolm Andrews

My mother, Maggie Tootoosis, she followed her biblical teachings, but never discouraged
us from learning about the fn ways and beliefs

My dad on the other hand was an orphan and a survivor of sorts. He joined army, became
a paratrooper, and liked his beer.

5/25, 11:56am

Brenda Menard

I had wonderful loving Mother...but i dont really remember my father..Mom left him by
the time i was 2 years of age because of his drinking...and then he died by the time i was
ten years of age from alcoholism ...he was only 43...

He did on a park bench in Pigeon Square, vancouver...

** died **

I have to go to work now....

5/25, 11:58am

Malcolm Andrews

Yes... mway stuhs

 5/25, 11:59am

Brenda Menard

I'm teaching moccasin making classes in the next town over...Sechelt...for Aboriginal
youth in the Alternative School program....i best get ready....blessings to you and all our
Relations...

5/25, 12:00pm

Malcolm Andrews

A lady friend, Cecile Anderson, will be in communication with you sometime.. I hope
you can help define her past

5/25, 12:01pm

Brenda Menard

Yes...OK...I have Anderson relations....i'll do the best i can.... smile emoticon

5/25, 12:11pm

Malcolm Andrews

awesome! you are such brenda

May 25

5/25, 3:56pm

Malcolm Andrews
 Another one is, Carmen Ahenekew. She would like to meet you. Her link on her mother's
side are the Isbisters and Ahenekews on her father's side

May 29

5/29, 9:02am

Malcolm Andrews

Good morning my friend and relative... Hope your in good health and happiness. Wish
nothing but good for you...

May 29

5/29, 12:46pm

Brenda Menard

Tansi Malcolm. Thank you for your kind message...wishing the same for you as well.
Kindness, i've discovered, is everything in life. Have a wonderful weeks end.

May 30

5/30, 5:37am

Malcolm Andrews

Tansi and Good morning my friend, I have been searching for my identity for some time
now. Thanks to you and your skill to help define myself and others. I am going to suggest
to an ole friend, Rose Lameman to look you up too and find out their lineage. I hope you
won't mind..but yeah, you deserve and entitled to kindness as you have shared with me
my family history and so grateful for your findings... Hy hy! Miyo kee sih kuhn sih...

Tuesday

 6/2, 8:02pm

Malcolm Andrews

damg Brenda... we are not closly related anyway...

6/2, 9:51pm

Brenda Menard

You're too funny.....lol. and a kind nice man.....but still funny. smile emoticon

6/3, 12:11am

Malcolm Andrews

Good evening, just getting home again

Its been quite the day, the last event today was a Ghost Dance, and a double feast
occasion

If in bed already, have a good nights rest my friend..

Regarding that previous post, yes, I saw your profile pic, you are a beautiful woman
inside and out...

6/3, 12:33am

Brenda Menard

HI Malcolm....yes...i'm all tuckered out....just watching a movie and then headed for
sleep. I miss going to ceremony...it's been too many years...Sounds like you had a blessed
and wonderful day....May you sleep peacefully & sound. Thank you.

 6/3, 12:35am

Malcolm Andrews

Yes, it was a good day... my first attendance to a ghost dance ceremony.

tomorrow... learning about herbs and plants in area.

Yes... I should sleep well for sure... you too have a good rest.. catch up to you yomorrow
or thereafter

Friday

6/5, 7:30am

Malcolm Andrews

Good morning, seems you nodded out 3 hours ago... yes, we ended our week with a
gathering of older folks from the neighbouring communities... and had quite the feast...
today, take it easy and eotk on my own yard etc

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