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TC: Well, it took me a while to realize that grasen does not mean
mow but graze these days. That was from Mahler's
Rheinlegendchen. But we learn from our mistakes. Speaking of
Mahler, as a team performing the Wunderhorn Songs, you and
Thomas Hampson are unbeatable. Do you have a favorite song?
TC: When watching you at the piano, it seems as though you are
very much in tune with your singers and actually breathe along with
them. Is that true?
WR: Yes and no. Most singers know a little about piano -- it is
usually part of the training at school. But a singer who has
substantial training as a pianist is, perhaps, not the best thing to
happen to an accompanist because then he tends to be easier on you.
I have learned best from singers who knew very little about piano
playing. They would say: hey, can't you do this a bit smoother,
better, fresher ... whatever. Whereas a singer who also happens to be
a pianist would say: considering that it is such a difficult passage,
well done. People like Brigitte Fassbnder, for instance, who is
certainly a major influence in my musical life, would say: I want it
to sound like this or that, can't you play it a bit differently? They
would say this in the most difficult parts, just expecting it, you see.
That challenges you because, from the non-pianist's points of view,
can't be done does not exist even for the difficult passages. If you
want to be a good accompanist, you need to be technically perfect
but you also have to work out what precisely you want to bring
across, with this piece or that. It is up to you what you make of the
work.
WR: Yes, I suppose that is very true. Looking back, one's own career
path always seems very smooth and logical. But while it is all
happening, when you are at the start or in the midst of it all, it
sometimes appears not at all logical. You think: I hope this will all
work out, or: where will this love for music lead me in life? But now
I can see that music was very much in my life from an early age. It is
only logical that I should end up making a living at it. I have two
sisters and we all grew up with music and singing. My parents were
lay musicians, but Dad was more of a semi-professional. He was a
teacher and began to study organ on the side. He soon became our
church organist and also helped with the church choir. The
choirmaster and my Dad even did concerts together. I always went
along when Dad played the organ and one day I started helping to
pull the registers, something that maybe had an early influence on
the choice of tonal colors that now play an important role in my job.
Through Dad, I also came in contact with singing very early on. His
close working relationship with the choirmaster meant that, before
too long, I was singing in the choir also.
So I was singing there for a while and then, because the choirmaster
knew that I also enjoyed playing the piano, one thing led to another.
I started doing some bits as accompanist for that church choir I sang
in. I also did some detours through the organ world, but piano
remained the most important instrument for me. Initially, Dad was
teaching me, but then I got into my teenage years and began to rebel.
Like most teenagers, I arrived at a point where I did not want to
listen to my father anymore. Eventually, my Dad saw that we were
not going to make any headway. He found another very good teacher
for me, about 100km from Waldsassen where I grew up, in
Regensburg. His name was Konrad Pfeiffer. He was very strict and
his first requirement was that I quit messing around with the choir. I
was playing with a lot of enthusiasm and was producing sounds, but
he felt that there was very little real technique and order behind what
I was doing. So he had me start again from scratch, doing my scales.
TC: Ouch!
WR: There was no getting past that. Thankfully, they have a music
section in the military ... I was lucky because I had always taken
violin lessons parallel to my piano lessons. That was my way out. As
pianist, you were useless in the military orchestra but as a violinist
you could audition because they also had a small symphony
orchestra. We were in charge of chamber music. Looking back, it
was a good year because I got to practice piano a lot and violin of
course, plus I met some very interesting people I did chamber music
with. For a while I toyed with the idea of becoming a violinist
because I was very attracted to the chamber music options.
WR: Perhaps not more than average. I don't think I'd have landed a
great position as first violinist, but my violin teacher said I would
have a good chance in a smaller orchestra. That is why I continued to
do both. I only decided on the piano as a career half way through my
studies but that was not because of the available solo literature for
piano. In fact, I am a team player at heart and the thought of having
to be alone with the piano put me off a bit. I had initially considered
violin for its options of orchestral or chamber music. Violin as a
soloist wouldn't have interested me as much. So you see, in
hindsight it all goes in a certain direction.
TC: You were studying, there were all these auditions, plenty of
work, one supposes. And yet, you still decided to take voice lessons
also. Why did you do that?
TC: How old were you when you did your first concert with Frau
Fassbnder?
TC: In your case, talent and luck seem to have come together at just
the right time.
WR: Yes, luck played a big part in it. It is difficult to make it to the
top and I do not wish to evoke the impression that it is a piece of
cake. When I started out, I had my doubts just like everyone else.
My friends never did, they said, as did Deutsch, that they have no
worries over my future career. But when you are in the midst of it,
living this career-ascent path, it's a different ballgame. You ask
yourself what you will do if it doesn't pan out. I still recall how
proud I was when I had some money left over from the first
concerts. I ended up putting some aside. Eventually I had saved up
enough to enable me to survive for one full year without any
booking coming in. That was the most wonderful feeling you can
imagine. Then I bought my first high-quality instrument. I had my
own piano all through my studies, but a grand is something different,
as any pianist will know. I think we all dream of our own Steinway
grand. Around 1990, when I had my first concerts with Mrs
Fassbnder, I made that dream come true for myself and bought a
brand new Steinway grand piano.
TC: And now you are one of the most successful accompanists in the
world. Teaching young people is an important part of your own life
now. You have just returned from Barcelona, Spain, where you did a
course in Lied for young students there.
TC: Let's say someone comes to you and wants to enter your class.
He or she is a great pianist, could easily hold his own on stage as a
concert pianist. But now he comes with a singer in tow, they do a
Lied together, and you realise that he has no sensitivity whatsoever
for the singer. They are not in tune. The prospective student is not a
team player. Is this something you can teach?
TC: Are there any role models you have oriented yourself on, other
accompanists you specifically admire, perhaps?
WR: Someone who was and still is a role model for me is Gerald
Moore. He has set standards that continue to be valid to this day. The
way he manages to get to the core of a piece through his
interpretation of it! He does so in a very modest, self-deprecating,
British way. He enriches the singer and the piece to an incredible
extent, always coupled with this wonderful sense of British humor
that I like about him very much. I have tried to learn from his way of
approaching music: with a combination of depth and humor.
WR: You learn something from each singer you work with. It would
be impossible for me to highlight just one or two of them. As far as
other influences in my musical life, aside from my teachers, I feel
that I have learned a lot from Hans Hotter when I assisted him in his
courses although I never accompanied him. I have also learned a lot
from Brigitte Fassbnder, especially since she was the first of these
great singers I worked with. And now, for the past eleven years,
there is this very enriching team with Thomas Hampson. From all
the singers I have worked with, there is always some aspect I learned
about the following quest: how do I get into the depth of the music,
how can I get really close to that? And then: never giving up in the
quest to really understand music at its profoundest level.
TC: You also worked with Dietrich Fischer Dieskau, the predecessor
of Thomas Hampson as a star-baritone. He is such a legend. What
was he like? Arrogant? Standoffish?
WR: Quite the opposite. I met him for the first time when he was
doing one of his courses at the music academy in Berlin. I travelled
there with some fellow students from Munich. He is very kind and
when working with him, he can be very warm as a person. In his
private life he maintains a healthy distance, but in a friendly way. He
has such an amazing air about him that it rubs off on you, just being
around him. He influences, merely by being there and by being the
man he is. From him I learned a lot about ordering my thoughts, both
musically and personally. It was all about never giving up. He taught
me a very handy approach to dealing with problems: if you think
you have found a solution that seems to fit, don't make it so easy on
yourself. Think again. Maybe there is a better solution out there,
somewhere. It was a wonderful time with him that I do not want to
miss in my life. We worked together over a period of two years, off
and on. Later, our contact became more sporadic but we still had
occasion to work together every once in a while. Even when we
were no longer working with each other, he still remembered me and
helped me when I needed anything. We stay in contact with each
other, mainly through his wife who teaches at the same school as I
do.
WR: I don't think so. It just makes it nicer when you are on the road
and have to fill in your spare time. But there is no need for singer
and accompanist to be close friends. You have to like each other,
true, or it doesn't work. You'd soon part company if there were not at
least a basic sense of liking each other. This is different with Lied
than with opera. With Lied, you are very much dependent on one
another. There are only the two of you. It is a bit like two people
climbing a mountain together. You depend on each other. With Lied,
you can envision that singer and accompanist are connected through
an invisible rope. If you don't like the other, you don't let go of the
rope and let him fall down, but you may not be sufficiently in tune
with him to help him, as if by reflex, when something goes wrong. I
cannot imagine making music with someone whom I do not like.
Luckily, this has never happened to me. It is also impossible to work
with someone who is on a musical path that you do not agree with.
TC: This really is teamwork, isn't it? An accompanist does not
merely follow the singer. You are a team and within that team you
are equals, both having your own say.
WR: That goes on all the way through, including on stage during the
performance. I don't know how much of this the audience notices but
imagine two people connected by a string. It's not a one-way street.
Each of us pulls this way or that way. The string is elastic like a
rubber band. Sometimes he gives and I take, and then it goes vice
versa. It can happen, though rarely, that someone doesn't give at all.
Then, eventually, the string will tear. But if it is good teamwork then
everyone can pull and it is nice to feel that they are following me
also. Everyone shows the direction he wants to go in and the other
follows, or not. If I notice that he doesn't follow I can increase my
energy, should I insist on going a particular direction. But he could
also increase his resistance and make me realize: this is not
something we are going to do today. It is all a matter of being
spontaneous but on the base that everyone has to know basically
what they want. That is what rehearsals are for. It's not just a random
process.
TC: What does your rehearsal schedule look like before a concert?
WR: We have this standard plan where we meet with the singer on
the previous evening. I rehearse, there and then, for about two hours.
The day of the concert, in the morning, I try to be there about two
hours before the singer. Once the singer arrives, we play through the
entire program and, in the evening, I am usually there about ninety
minutes before the start of the concert to warm up. Sometimes, I will
also play a little during the break.
TC: When there are no concerts, how much time do you spend
practicing a day? Do you sometimes leave it out altogether?
WR: Heavens, no. You always pay for that. No way. The very least is
half an hour of technical exercises a day. If I do that, I feel fit but it
is the absolute minimum I can get away with. Usually, it is more like
two to four hours, depending on what is coming up. Right now, for
instance, there are several big concerts in August, as part of the
Salzburg festival and so a bit more practice is in order.
TC: So there's not a lot of spare time right now. When there is, what
kind of music do you listen to when not working?
WR: Very little, I must say. I am dealing with music all the time in
my professional life and so, when it is time to relax, I tend to leave it
aside a bit at home. But my hobbies are all connected with the arts. I
may do the occasional hiking trip into the lovely Bavarian Alps, and
even go sailing with friends at times, but my big love is theatre and
that is something I really try to fit in when there is spare time. Other
than that, I enjoy going to museums and, of course, I do love fine
eating. I am married to a Chinese violinist and so I have a taste for
Asian cuisine: not just Chinese but also Vietnamese, Thai, and
Japanese. Being from Bavaria, however, I also like the local cuisine.
Another one of the musical gourmets is Zubin Mehta, who also
spends a lot of his time in Munich. We went out together one
evening to eat, and we had a blast.
WR: Since we are both music professionals we try to fit in some ten
concerts a year together, for violin and piano. It is always nice when
we can work with each other and it is great being on tour together
because we can explore the new cities where we are. It is a lot of fun
working out our concert program together, which we do along the
same lines I use when working with the singers: it needs a theme,
make a circle. Next year, for instance, we will have a pure Schubert
program. This year our focus was on French composers. Sometimes
my parents also come to our concerts. They are very happy for me
that it worked out for me to make a living at music. My Dad was
also very interested in my work with the singers, since he was my
first piano teacher and, I suppose, saw it all coming long before I did
TC: How exactly can an accompanist work with the singer to help
him, here or there?
WR: There are some obvious ways, and some not so obvious. If
someone is hoarse, for instance, there is not much you can do. On
the other hand, if a singer struggles with the high notes, you play the
piece a semitone or tone lower, which makes a lot of difference. If
you notice that someone is running out of breath you can tighten up
the long phrase a little. I think this is comparable to what happens in
any other sports team. There is no such thing as a catalogue of
reactions that you pull out of your sleeve, like: when this happens, I
do that. Rather, if you are a good team then you intuitively feel what
the other needs right now to make things easier on him.
TC: How do you work with tempi? Rule of thumb: light voices,
faster tempi?
WR: There are no rules of thumb in the manner you suggest. First of
all, it depends on the piece you are playing. That out of the way,
experience has taught me that it depends a lot more on the
personality of the singer than on his voice, although the two
naturally go hand in hand.
Teaching by demonstration
TC: Do you still always rehearse, even with singers you regularly
work with? Let's say with someone like Thomas Hampson? You
guys are always together.
WR: I do. You have to keep in mind that each concert is different.
Also, in between our performances, we do other things. So we have
different experiences that influence us, may change us and enrich us,
or whatever. Sometimes these experiences lead to new ideas that you
want to try out with the other.
WR: Discuss is not quite the right word. We make music together
and I think the most effective work is done without words, stemming
from being connected with each other. You are automatically in tune
with the other if you know him well, like him, and understand him.
TC: The longer you work together, the better it gets? So, even
someone like you, at the top of their own field, would have problems
if I put a singer in front of your piano whom you do not know?
WR: I think at the very least you have to be able to imagine what it
is like, and to understand what is involved in singing. I would
caution against underestimating intuition. Many of my colleagues,
truly brilliant accompanists, have a great sense for the singer and I
have no idea whether any of them took formal singing lessons. Yet
they still know where the strengths and weaknesses of each singer
lie, how long someone can hold a tone and so on. That is different
for each singer, naturally. With Hampson, for instance, I know that at
a point where I may need to start worrying with another singer, I am
still very far from even having to think of worrying with him.
TC: Now I understand why you said this is not a job for people who
cannot be team players.
WR: A big part of this job is about intuitively knowing what the
singer is going to do, so you need a certain amount of sensitivity, to
pick up on even the most minute of problems. You have to have
good hearing, also. This is not about the theory-related, analytical
sense of hearing that you need in music theory classes. Our kind of
hearing goes on at a human-to-human level. You notice: oops, this is
going in a direction it shouldn't be going, and then you jump in and
do your bit. It becomes a problem if you simply don't notice things
like that going on.
TC: With these ever increasing tralali tralalai passages, the tambour
beating his drum all the way into death, and beyond ...
WR: Of course, it makes it easier if you enter deeply into the song.
But there is a fine line between entering into the story and entering
into the story too much. You don't want to grimace too much as the
pianist but at the same time you need to feel what you are playing,
not only the music but also the action behind the music. There's a
nice little story about this, dating back to my time with Fassbnder.
A friend of a friend, who had not been to many recitals, came to a
concert of ours. Afterwards, he came backstage and asked me: how
long did you have to practice until you managed to synchronize your
facial expressions? He found that fascinating, but it is not a matter of
practice, of course. It is just the expression of both of you feeling the
same, which is only natural since you are working yourselves
through the same song. You have to feel the song. There is no way
around it. Maybe you don't see it on everyone's face, but when it
comes to the crunch, it is something we all do, this diving into the
story and music.
WR: That is one point that is still missing, true. You need a deep
love for the written word. That was one of my main attractions for
choosing this profession: the joining of music and poetry, music and
literature, which become equally important in interpreting a certain
piece. The love for singing is also important, because then you
understand a lot of things automatically that can only happen
through the process of singing. It is not just the pianist who brings
about the joining of literature and music with his art, so does the
singer. Much is revealed from the text, there are tensions, there is
hope -- there is love. Schumann makes this process especially
attractive because he has his own way of commenting on what is
happening in the text.
Smiling students in Rieger's class
WR: I don't have a favorite. I like them all. Another composer who
is always at the centre of the Lied genre is Schubert because it was
such a focal point of this work. But composers like Mahler are also
enormously important. Each composer is significant in his own way.
As the years go by, you become increasingly more familiar with
them until you think you know part of their personality also. You get
to know their habits, might smile at this or that typical trait, and
become somewhat personal about the composer. You can bring your
own understanding of the composer across to the audience but, as
musicians, we must always keep in mind that first and foremost you
have to be familiar with the work, which counts for much more than
being familiar with the person. There are some wonderful musical
works written by composers who were perhaps not so great as
people. Likewise, there were wonderful people who wrote mediocre
music. Then there are works so great that they seem to come from
somewhere else. I still recall how disappointed I was as a child, once
I discovered that Bach had really lived. It did not seem credible to
me that this wonderful music had done anything else but fallen to
earth straight from heaven ... plop ... and there it was. It was such a
drawback to discover that Bach was a human being like the rest of
us, with normal day-to-day problems.
The Accompanist: the Unsung
Hero?
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