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Machine 1:16 PM

Got a minute to talk Midas?

HolyNesquik1:22 PM
if its about putting me on standby or the last raid, dont even bother

Machine 1:23 PM
It's about your trial - attendance if I'm being specific. It's way past critical point at this moment.

HolyNesquik 1:24 PM
Cant change anything about it when im ill or have to work

Machine 1:25 PM
I undertsand that, but see this as a hobby. If you're involved in a hobby with group of people and play a role
on which the rest relies, it's super inconveniant for the rest, if someone else has to go from one role to the
other to fill your gap. And it's thursday raids that I'm on about.

HolyNesquik 1:26 PM
you took me out on wednesday because i wasnt really there mentally because im ill so i declined thurs

Machine 1:26 PM
You declined Thursday's raid way before I took you out on Wednesday. And you never told me you were
ill. You could ask to be sat out. But it's not just this Thursday. It's last Thursday, Thursday before that, etc.

Machine 1:35 PM
Again, I'm sorry you're going through rough times in RL, if that can roughly describe the whole situation,
but I also need to keep raid and the progress going, when it comes to the guild. We had chat about
attendance and how I was looking for a tank who can commit to raiding both days, since tanks are usually
the backbone of every raid, but missing one day out of the two days we raid for the past month for one or
the other reason automatically becomes sort of a setback for the guild.

HolyNesquik 1:36 PM
didnt as it seems

Machine 1:37 PM
Didn't seem what?

HolyNesquik 1:37 PM
hold back the guilds progress in any way
i mean ye i know i havent been there on thurs for several reasons that are just not there to chat over here
but if tanks are so important for the guild and raid progress

Machine 1:38 PM
I don't know if you're being serious atm or not? If we start learning how to deal with a boss with one tank
and then another player who never tanked it has to fill in, we will wipe to certain things again few times
again before the new tank gets used to them. This hinders progress. Time is a valuable component in a
guild that raids half what guilds usually raid.
HolyNesquik 1:39 PM
you did way better on mistress without me
both times
if tanks are so useful and needed for the guild and its progress it doesnt seem like the best idea to kick a
tank that has never even really tanked a boss and wipes the group
and thats a problem in most guilds
if one dd dies it is okay and happens but if all die to a mistake from a tank, who is also just human btw and
does those, then he gets replaced
think about it for a sec

Machine 1:40 PM
I wasn't there Wednesday a week ago, so I can't comment on that. But we didn't have bad tries on
Wednesday 4 weeks ago when you tanked it. The issue with Mistress is that changing one thing drastically
changes the whole fight.

HolyNesquik 1:41 PM
we did have bad tries
every single one because we didnt kil it

Machine 1:42 PM
Also, I replace people all the time if they fail. If you are unsure the fight, you should ask things. It's hard for
me to know what you are and are not aware of. But blaming others for your own fuck ups doesn't get you
far. Sometimes you need to accept things for what they are. My main goal is to get past farm fights on
Wednesday quickly. And if I see someone is performing really bad, I replace them.

HolyNesquik 1:43 PM
im not blaming anyone

Machine 1:43 PM
What I usually look for is how trials rebound from those bad performances the following day. But there never
is the following day with you. And Your exact whisper on Wednesday was: "It was Hashimoto's fault
because she never lets me tank". That is putting blame on somebody else in one way or the other.

HolyNesquik 1:43 PM
this wednesday?

Machine 1:43 PM
Yes.

HolyNesquik 1:44 PM
i wasnt blaming her like that really
u missunderstood me

Machine 1:43 PM
What's there to misunderstand?
HolyNesquik 1:44 PM
i meant that it has to do with the thing that she moves the boss
thats all
and thats the reason why i didnt know what to do
everyone has their way how to tank bosses and if i tank with someone who i rarely ever tank with ofc things
will switch up and i have to get used to it
thats why i failed on sisters and harjatan
not because of hashi
more likely because i just wasnt used to it and hasi wasnt there to tank with me like normally
you even said replacing 1 guy changes up everything, thats even more crucial on tanks

Machine 1:48 PM
Yes, but you can see why it's an issue if you can't make Thursdays then, right? If we progress Fallen Avatar
with 3 tanks things will constantly get changed. And it means the learning curve for the raid as whole and
the tanks is longer.

HolyNesquik 1:49 PM
and you can see why its an issue to change tanks

Machine 1:49 PM
It gave you good chance to step up and take control. If you spent more time focusing on DPSing the bosses
rather than seeing how the other tank handles the stuff, that is not ideal thing to do. You've done Harjatan
3 times, surely that shouldn't be an excuse why boss isn't placed at the correct position.

HolyNesquik 1:50 PM
i know my movements and when to move and where
when u switch up all of that and i have to tank bosses at different points
ofc i have to get used to it then
its not about his tanking more about the huge change to my tanking then

Machine 1:52 PM
But if you know how to tank boss, it's not an issue. You can't use that as an excuse. If you know fight as
whole you should be able to adept. All there is to it is there are 4 eggs that spawn and there's an energy
bar which tells you when smash comes. Notes are also there to remind you what egg takes priority... blue
> orange

HolyNesquik 1:52 PM
and im the only one who !@#$s up as it seems like

Machine 1:52 PM
Many people !@#$ up, but you're a trial.

HolyNesquik 1:52 PM
tanking isnt adepting in raids
we taunt at the same time staps, change places at same time staps
Machine 1:53 PM
Say Hashimoto gets sick, Sepzis isn't there and we're forced to have a third person take on his OS to fill
the gap. And you're forced to take Hashimoto's role, since you're also the MT. Do we just keep wiping to
it?

HolyNesquik 1:53 PM
and if you get in another tank that !@#$s up every timing
if i can take hashis role then its okay
but at wednesday i didnt
then seph would tank like me
and thats not the case because hes not me

Machine 1:55 PM
So you weren't tanking Sisters in P2, when Hashimoto usually tanks it?

HolyNesquik 1:55 PM
no i mean it is a rotation and thats all

Machine 1:56 PM
It's not rotation, it's movement. I remember why we wipped on two or three seperate occasions on Harjatan
it's because egg didn't get crushed. We wiped on Sisters over and over because of bad boss placement.

HolyNesquik 1:56 PM
if someone else tanks it changes the rotation entirely because we have to move instantly and because i
had to get used to hashis part

Machine 1:57 PM
If the tank can't adjust to what the other tank also does, it says something about the tanks skill. But again,
this is not the main issue in my eyes. I don't care about Wednesday's performance at this stage. We wiped
way more times than we should on some of the farm fights, but the reset is over.

HolyNesquik 1:57 PM
what do you expect from me going in when u change everything and think im doing good while being ill?
i expect you to either blame everyone
or dont even blame anyone

Machine 1:58 PM
First, I expect you to take control over things. Two, if you're ill and feel like you can't perform I expect you
to ask to be replaced. Especially if there's 24 people on.

HolyNesquik 1:58 PM
seems like i dont have to ask
if you would replace everyone who does mistakes in raid then you wouldnt even have a raid anymore
so replace tanks insantly
Machine 2:00 PM
Instantly? You're a trial and I expect you to perform better than anyone else. That's honest truth. And again,
Wednesday as it is, I don't care about it.I can change up arguments slightly if you want. So it's understanable
better. If I raid with raid number 1 on wednesday on a new boss... and then raid with raid number 2 on
thursday on the same boss, I won't be able to pick up progress on thursday from where I left it on wednesday
if people will have to learn basics again.

HolyNesquik 2:02 PM
i know what i did wrong and i know that my thurs attendance was !@#$ and i have several reasons for that
that are completely unessesary here. i dont care about how many times we wipe on progress or whoever
fault it is

Machine 2:03 PM
No, but I care how many times we wipe on farm bosses. It's time component, I need to keep the raid going
and keep the progress rolling.

HolyNesquik2:03 PM
and i wont be able to pick up tanking from hashi instantly
if you wont to keep the progress rolling then maybe think about not replacing tanks when they do mistakes

Machine 2:04 PM
So I should keep on wiping on a boss fight until when?
How long do I wait?

HolyNesquik 2:04 PM
longer than you need to kick a tank
how long do you wait on new people that dont know the boss mechanics

Machine 2:05 PM
If we are wiping and losing momentum, I will take the necessary action to down a boss. Do you think you
were the only one replaced then?

HolyNesquik 2:05 PM
1 wipe and kick?

Machine 2:08 PM
It was a lot more than one wipe. This whole discussion is just a vicious circle atm. I'm trying to tell you that
not having the same tank on progress fights is a bad thing and you keep going back to sisters and Harjatan
who are farm bosses. So they are irrelevent to this discussion.

HolyNesquik 2:08 PM
they arent
because its the first time i had to switch things up

Machine 2:08 PM
What I care about is Mistress progress. Maiden progress. If I'm forced to "jojo" tanks around and have 0
options about it, it's an issue.
HolyNesquik 2:09 PM
i dont help at mistress in any way
and if i cant adept than its probably better to let someone else tank

Machine 2:09 PM
I mean it all boils down to the Thursday attendance issues.

HolyNesquik 2:10 PM
and we talked about that
and i still see it the same way

Machine 2:10 PM
But I need to look at the bigger picture. If half of the raid can't make Thursday and I'm forced to recruit more
who can make both days - is it far to have people raid on Wednesday that can't make Thursday and take
place from the ones who can? It's not fair and we need consistency atm and I'm going to be way more strict
to people who can't make both days.

HolyNesquik 2:11 PM
why are you even arguing
when i already told you how i see it

Machine 2:12 PM
I'm ''arguing'' beause you asked me what I expect from you.

HolyNesquik 2:12 PM
i know i shouldve been there, i know it holds back the raid, i know it !@#$s things up but i couldnt change
it, that doesnt make the fact good that i wasnt there

Machine 2:12 PM
So how will these things be in future?

HolyNesquik 2:13 PM
you tell me

Machine 2:14 PM
You want me to tell you what your attendance will be like? Really?

HolyNesquik 2:15 PM
i cant tell you like i couldnt tell you the last times

Machine 2:16 PM
Then I don't really see any point at this stage with the trial.

HolyNesquik 2:17 PM
i cant tell you in advance if im going to be there on any day
if i have to work longer, i have to work longer
and if something else happens i cant do nothing about it
Machine 2:19 PM
Ok, but these things happen every week. We spoke about this before you joined. I asked you if anything
was gonna get in the way of you attending raids consistantly. You said it'd be fine.

HolyNesquik 2:19 PM
i dont know what was the case 2 weeks ago but last week a kid im watching over there died over night in
hospital and that was the reason why i wasnt there
this week was obvious it seems like
but i see your concern
i really didnt want to talk about it but it may make some more understandable

Machine 2:21 PM
You keep straw-picking these things. Why do you expect people to know stuff you're dealing with if you
don't talk about it? And even so, while I feel bad about it, you're looking at things from your perspective
only. Raiding is more than juist you, it's other 19 people who depend on you. How do you think they will
react if they never see you and you never tell them why you're not there?

HolyNesquik 2:22 PM
iam not actually
and iam not the person to go out and tell everyone about my problems
just understand that im very clear in in what way iam holding back others, the raid in general and myself
but I can neather change my recent attendances nor tell you if i can attend or not in advance. theres just
no way

Machine 2:25 PM
Look WoW is a game, but it's still people's time that's on the line. If something goes wrong in our case, I
take the heat - how raid performs, how attendance looks. But in that case, again, why even raid at this level
at this time. That's my point. If you're dealing with so much !@#$ you should just take time off, sort it out -
but be fair to other people about you being there inconsistantly. Rather than drag it all out and keep people
in this odd spot where they don't know if they'll have to cover for you tanking or not, be straight forward
about it and fair to the whole team.

HolyNesquik 2:26 PM
then be fair to me if you change things up

Machine 2:26 PM
Do you understand what lead to these changes? You not being there and Sepzis having to pick up tanking
on Thursdays? For once stop thinking about yourself and look at things from different perspective.

HolyNesquik 2:26 PM
seriously stop
with looking at things differently
i know
do you expect me to go out and tell people my problems and why i wont be there on raid
Machine 2:28 PM
So why do you keep bringing up these changes? I'm talking to you about way bigger picture here and you
keep going back to those 2 specific boss fights.

HolyNesquik 2:28 PM
iam not even talking about those 2 bossfights
but if we are talking about mistakes from my part why cant i say what i hate about the raid
if that bothers me
i thought this may be the time to tell you then

Machine 2:29 PM
You're a trial. If you hate it here why even raid with us? And I expect you to be honest to people and yourself.
If you can't commit to raiding, you don't raid. Everyone has !@#$ going on in RL and people deal with it
differently. But as a trial, the lack of attendance looks bad.

HolyNesquik 2:29 PM
i can attend raids around 6 times a week
and if i have to work for 30 min longer i have a way home of 2 hours instead of 1:20 and wont be able to
attend
i would not have gone to this guild if i would not have been able to be there on these times on regular basis

Machine 2:31 PM
But you haven't been there on regular basis. If I had a raid of 20 people who all had similar issue with
coming home on time and 5 people were always away, do you think it would work? Easiest solution is to
find a guild that raids an hour later in that case.

HolyNesquik 2:36 PM
In the end I still can attend at wednesday and thursday if everything goes the way it should go
so tell me please, what to do you want to tell or ask me the whole time just make it clear

Machine 2:39 PM
We've been talking about your trial and attendance. Specifically, you not being there being an issue. And
when there are problems with trials it boils down to how severe they are and if you can work past them.

HolyNesquik 2:43 PM

A kid dying at my work and me being ill are somewhat the same chances
I just had a !@#$ ton of luck these weeks

Machine 2:45 PM
Again, the final time, I feel sorry for what you're dealing with. But imagine you played amature hockey and
tried to join a team as a goalie. But during your trial you'd be there such little time that they had to bring in
another goalie. Would you honestly pass that person's trial? I could have Wayne Gretzky signed up on the
team but if he never showed up, what's the point in having him take someone elses spot?
HolyNesquik 2:48 PM
i didnt want to get compassion, just wanted you to understand that I am there most of the time but just had
bad luck
So whats the plan going further on now or not
I have to go take a shower real quick because I was kind of in a hurry when we started talking

Machine 2:56 PM
I mean, at this stage, if you're having issues with attendance and if you can't control certain factors when
you're getting home, i don't think it's a fit for both you and the guild. Mainly because if I ask sepzis to go full
time boomkin again and we're say progressing on Kil'jaeden and we get to a cruical week where we could
kill him or not and you miss out, we're gonna be back to where we were for these past 4 weeks.

HolyNesquik 3:11 PM
so you are basically saying im out

Machine 3:13 PM
Pretty much, if you can't commit to a steady two day raiding now, these issues will arise again.

HolyNesquik 3:15 PM
we probably coulve figured it out if we even talked about it. couldve tried to work early on these days or go
earlier and work longer at another point but if you see it that way okay, thanks

Machine 3:17 PM
Could have but didn't choose to? Again, I understand you had !@#$ going IRL, but we spoke about
attendance a lot before you joined. So why not try make raids when you had the option before that? Guilds
usually demand 90% attendance, I'm a bit more forgiving when it comes to it but surely it's a common sense
to try and make raids while on trial.

--- Chat moves onto Discord

[3:21 PM] Midas: If there's something else to talk, i had to go get my bus after i wrote the last msg
[3:22 PM] Blaze: I said I don't understand why you didn't try and adjust work times before that? Guilds usually
demand 90% attendance, I'm a bit more forgiving when it comes to it but surely it's a common sense
to try and make raids while on trial. Maybe that's just my thinking, I don't know.
[3:22 PM] Midas: I did but only could 1 hour or have to work earl
[3:23 PM] Midas: I wouldnt have joined if my attendance in other guilds would not have been good
[3:25 PM] Midas: I mean it worked out fine with 1 hour earlier but last too weeks wasnt bc of work
[3:28 PM] Blaze: I dunno, if works gets in the way, then it might get in the way again and again. this is nothing
personal, I'm just telling you things the way I see them.
[3:29 PM] Midas: The problem wasnt work anymore
[3:39 PM] Blaze: I dunno, you just keep jumping back and forth. You mention the issue of having to work longer
sometimes and not catching the bus on time as a result. Then you're telling me we could have worked
it out and that you could have adjsuted your work times around it. Now it's that the work isn't the
issue anymore. Look, you seem like a good person, but these issues with attendance will, from my
experiance, arise again and again. It's nothing personal, but I do need to ensure that the guild
progresses on. It's an ungrateful job and when shit goes bad it's my fault because the people I brought
it don't fit, don't show up, don't perform - and I essentially waste time from other people who gave up
something else to attend the raid. That's what it's all about.
[3:41 PM] Midas: With the bus thing I was explaining the times I missed besides the last 2 times. I mean in the end
it's your decision and I understand you, your concern and your important role for everyone. In the
end I can say no more than that I can try, or if not just wanted to say that I was happy with being able
to join your guild
[3:51 PM] Blaze: Likewise, I'm bummed out the attendance and RL got in the way for you, but sometimes there are
things you can't control.

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