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GERHOIT.
William Sebold.
5. Etnployment Record.
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Dee 30, LEO WAALEM again cans to WILLIAM SEBQLD's office and handed
to Sebold an envelope addressed to Herrn * Gerhoff address-
d as set out above* This contained two- typed sheets of
paper} on one of which was typed la German Information coocera-
ing ewJtaln foreign, ships union *ere being loaded in Heir York
harbor - this was sent by FUflU On the other there was ift-
foraation set oat concerning boats being taken over by the
United States A m y Transport Sen-ise, destroyers being con-
structed in -tbe UftS* Kavy lard at Boston, seaplane tenders on
order, information on the building of lighters equipped with
tanks for carrying liquids for the U.S. Nary by the American
Car sad Foundry Company of Wilmington, Delaware, information
on the construction of 12 set tenders ordered by the United
States Defense Commission froa the American Shipbuilding c o
at Cleveland, Ohio, etc,
(S. 47a, p 18)
Jan* 10, In a conversation between E! H W N SIEGLER and WILLIAM SXBOLD,
1 oAi_ which took pl&a* is Sebold s office, SIBQLER stated that he
used to cuss the Nasis all the time} that ^EEHOFF stated that
he was just the man they were looking for*
(S 5701, p 3)
Jan* 20, Daring a conversation between PAUL FSSSE and WJLLLUI SEBOLD in
1941 Sebold's office FEHSE, aosng other thinge, stated that his wife
lives in the Hofstrasse Uhleahorat, Haaburgj that she receives
200 aarks a aonth through GERaOFF.- Upon request fros Sebold,
FEHSE said that-Gerfeeff's--address is toekelhof ia-Haaburgj
that this is the sail drop for the Mariae Department under
the nam of A, Cooaandit GeeellseharU FEHSS stated that be
sometimes loses faith la his superior; that GERHOFF -had
asked his. how muceh he iculd seed for his serrioes in the
United States prior to his departure froa Germany* Fehse
said that he would aeed & $100 a month and -Serhoff said
he knows better and that he should have about $125 a month*
(* 6138, p. 4-5)
Jan. 25, Daring a conversation between SEBOLD and HAR7WIG KLEISS, vhioh
1941 took place im Sebold's office, KLEISS stated in response to a
question fee* SEBOLD as to how he got started in the espionage
business that he was la Geaoe and that FXHSB arranged a meeting
for him witix-GKRHOFF; that he only spoke to OerboCf about fiTe
miatttes and.Gerhoff. told him to aet as a messenger. He stated
that he did sot hear fsom the other side for months and,monthsj
that apparently they don't even know his name any more. ^ He
referred to the fact that the money situation was very diffi-
cult in the espionage business and that the other side appears
to be very cheap and expected everything for nothing.
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They also kaaw that I did not stay home much, only every four-
teen days for a few hours* However, at ay occupation I aanot
very much at home which I proved to thea* Kih all i t i s not so
bad except that one lives with the thought that one i s contin-
ually being followed, bgt l i t t l e by l i t t l e onegete used to i t .
I hope that they do not follow me right into bed* because that
would be dangerous because I can't help that*
Did yom look up the family flHHUv They are such fine people.
I would be very pleased to hear from them*
My small camera i s s t i l l mot arrived and I will soon have given
up writing for i t *
Tell me, does the Hotel Shaftesbnrry s t i l l stand*. I t always
had soch a fumcy telegraph address* Otherwise I am etiL the
ship that sails alone, outside of home waters and the day will
come when we will clearly pipe the Kutter*
Everything good, and l e t me hear again from yom*
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BANCO DE MEXICO
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Address: Mexico C i t y
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Lray 19, SEBOLD received a telephone call at his office from _,.{
1941. SICHENLAUB who stated BANTE was in his place and wanted ''"}
to see him. SEBOLD went to the "Little Casino", ' \
EICHENLAUB'S restaurant and EICHENLAUB motioned to him I
to take the last booth on the bar side. EICKENLAUB I
then came over and said BANTE was at the bar. Shortly, \
thereafter, a man about 45 to 50 years of age, came over I
to SEBOLD and introduced himself as BANTE of the Gestapo
and said he had heard so much about him, that he wanted
to meet him in person in case he ever need him for , **
something. He said he was formerly a Stahlhelm leader;
that he was a member of the National Artillery and also , ""
the Gem1 an American Bund. He said he knows J
/veil and used to know Gj^IEBLand in the ! * "
-GRIEBL case arranged bond for o n e 4 H H f l | (phonetic).
He stated in view of these activit^^uermany took
notice of him and he contacted FEHSE when he came to ,..
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America. He said he also knew SCHUH in Newark, and that "V
Mrs, SCHUH was going to Gerinany in the near future and
SCHUH was going to see him, SEBOLD, about the trip,
that SCHUH obtained a permit tinder the pretense of going
to Germany to secure an inheritance. V
He stated that OTTOMAR ISCHIEDRICH is the Gestapo
boss in Hamburg and that he and SCHUH report to him.
He said his work was to create internal discontent and
to foment trouble among the workers that every strike
helps Germany. -
He said that~~the~only spy information ~he~gave was
the report that mechanics had gone to Virginia to work
on the German Airplane brought over from England.
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May 19, He then said that some day he was going to get
19414 (cont'd.) come gas pipes, put caps on both ends and drill a
hole in them, into which he will insert a fuse. He
said he had a lot of dynamite sticks put away and
if the Germans are going to lose the war, he is going
to blow up some nice bunch of people like DICKSTEIN'S
group and others that he does not like. He said that
he tvould blow up himself if Germany loses the war as
he could not have any desire to live after that.
SEBOID told him to use his head and to give him the
dynamite, that he could do more good with it than he
ever dreamed of. BANTE said O'k, that that would take
a load off of his mind. SEBOID told him to wrap the
dynamite up in a strong container, take good care of
the fuse caps and leave the package with EICHMLAUB,
and that he would come and take it to his office.
kgentsW//////////////////////^o'bseTved. SEBOID in
front of EICHENLAUB's with the package, talking to EICHENLAUB,
then EICHENLAJJB and EBELING, SEBOID shortly thereafter, walked
around the block and turned the package over to Agent
who stated there were five sticks of Dupont 60 dynamite,
percussion caps and a p p r o x i m a t e ^ c o l o r e d fuse
in the said package* A e n t H | H H i m V w i l l further
testify that SEBOLD was empty-handed when he entered the Little
Casino.
VECsMAM
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BANTE
The German American Bund was formed and I was the leader of a 11group
of about 25 men. I quit the Bund when there was a "revolution among
the leaders. This was about 1935. About 1936 I belonged to the
212th Coast Artillery of the National Guard in New York. I remained
in ttie National Guard for one year. Recently I have contributed
to the America First Committee. I did this because I am in complete
sympathy with the policies of the America First Committee.
At the time the German battleship Karlsruhe was visiting in New York
Harbor about 1932 the Stahlheim arranged parties for the crew and
I helped in this and met GEORGE SCHUH of Newark. He was the leader
of a small Stahlheim group. I have been a friend of SCHUH ever
since. I'd like to say that about 1500 American soldiers helped with
the entertainment of the crew of the Karlsruhe.
About 1938 I met Ottomar Ischiedrich, a steward on the motor ship
St. Louis of the Hamburg-American l i n e . As far fie I know. Ischiedrich
i s now i n Germany. Ischiedrich asked me if I could help him but in
getting, information about Communists and sailors.who were taking >.
propaganda papers from United States to Germany and bringing papers
from Germany to the United States. At that time I didnH know who
Ischiedrich was but I now believe that he was a member of the Gestapo,
^introduced Ischiedrich to my friend George Schuh because I knew
that Schuh would help Ischiedrich. I wanted to help Ischiedrich but
I did not know of any information which would help him.
Signed
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PAM
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Usually when I saw Peter a man named Leo was with him. I have
been shown a photograph of Leo Wa&len and recognize this as being
Leo I understood that Leo and Peter were interested in the same
type of work, and that Leo was helping Peter to get ship information.
About half a year ago I met Richard Eichenlaub who runs the Little
Casino Tavern on East 85th Street in New York. After talking with
Eichenlaub several times about politics and the war, Eichenlaub
told me about Heinz Stade. He said that he was working with Heinz
Stade in the interest of new Germany to find out how refugees from
Germany succeeded i n getting money and valuables out of Germany in
violation of the German Laws against t h i s . Through Eichenlaub I
met Heine. Stade and gave him "the telephone number of the house where
I l i v e s St-ade told me he knew the Gestapo leaders in Germany. I t
i s now my belief that he was a Gestapo agent.
About three months ago George Schuh told me about Harry. He said
that Harry had a radio and could communicate with Germany and was
able to send messages to Germany. Leo also told me about this
sender and I knew that i t must be secret. I was talking with
Eichenlaub about Harry and as I knew that Eichenlaub knew Harry I
asked him to put me i n connection with Harry as I was interested in
him and wanted to see him. I thought I could give him a helping
hand) and was curious about him.
As best I can recall I was i n the Little Casino one evening during
May 1941 and while at the bar talking to Eichenlaub a man came in
and Eichenlaub said "There i s Harry". Harry went over and sat in a
booth and Eichenlaub took me over and introduced me to Harry.
Eichenlaub remained with us in the booth for a while when I talked
with Harry. However, Eichenlaub did not take part in the conversation.
I told Harry that I had been a Stahlheim leaderj that I had been a
member oftheNationa^L^^rdMidof^tiie^er^nAmerican Bund; that
H | j j ^ p m m m ^ ^ ^ ^ H H H H | V Bund at one time;
that I Kn5wnS?T^gaatz^^ei^^^^^^^^^^reibi"-espionage case I
arranged forthelfti^LjH^^HHflHH^ one of the men arrested in
that case. fl^HH^^^^^^^^^I^^ie'rer talked wi1
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I told him that I knew George Schuh in Hewark and Paul Fehse. I
believe he told me that he knew George Schuh. I told him that
^^____ was going to returnto^Gemany0 soon and that
igements could be made for { H f l H s a H ' d 0 something for Harry
and to help him in his busines^nrP^rThe was i n Germany.. Tinea,
I speak of Harry'3 business I mean espionage and the sending of
information from the United States to Germany and return. Harry
said that he did not need flHHflflHP^e^P because he was in
daily contact with GemanyTy^BSioand could get everything through
that he wanted. I told Harry about Ottomar Ischiedrich being the
Gestapo man in Hamburg. I told him about Schuh and myself working
with Ischiedrich before the outbreak of the war* I told Harry that
I had assisted in affairs of the National Guardsmen of German descent
to prove to Congressman Dickstein that a l l Germans were not trouble-
makers. We invited the Captains to speak there to get more boys of German
descent to join. The Captains were in favor of t h i s .
Harry asked me whether I ever did any spying and whether I gave
information about ships- I told him that I did not furnish any ship
information, but I did t e l l him about something 1 had heard about
Brewster airplanes. I had heard in restaurants that the Brewster
airplanes being made on Long Island had been tested recently and i t had
been found that they were not satisfactory; that the wing construction .
was not good and the wings bent and i t was necessary to change the
plans for construction. 1 also told him about a German airplane which
had been brought over here from England and had been taken to a place
where i t was examined. I told him this because we were talking about
airplane mechanics and the general conversation was that the German
planes seemed to be better because Germany had learned through war
experience how to improve the planes.
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We arranged to have me -wrapT the dynamite, fuse and blasting caps
and bring it to Eichenlaub 8 place and leave it for Harry. He
said that saaeone from Eichenlaub's place could telephone him and
he would then take it to his office.
Several days after this I stopped by the Little Casino and told
Eichenlaub that in a couple of days I would have the package ready
for Harry.
About this time I received a telephone message at Franz Siegel's
Tavern from a waiter that I should go to an address on the west
side right away, I went to this address and fo
the apartment of Heinz Stade. Stade and the H f l H H f l H F
fwere there. They said that they were worr^aaDoutHarry
and wanted to know if he was all right. They said that they had been
to Harry's office and because he questioned than so much that they
wondered if he was a counterespionage agent. I told them that I
did not know him very well but that I heard from Leo that he was
\> all right, Leo had told me that Harry had been working with Peter
for about a year and was O.K.
About three years ago I gotfive sticks of dynamite, some fuse and
blasting caps from a man namedHHHflflflHB who belonged to the
German American Bund. W h e n J B U ^ ^ ? i ^ x o return to Germany about
3 years ago he asked me if J^SanTea the dynamite which he had left
over from some building operations in connection with the camps of
the Bund. I told him I would take the dynamite and he gave it to
me. He gave me a package of the dynamite, fuse and blasting caps
and I kept it in a closet in my room ever since. Several weeks ago
I opened the package and looked at the material and then wrapped it
and brought it to the I&ttle Casino. I gave the package to Eichenlaub
and told him it was for Harry. He put the package on the side of
the bar and I stayed and drank some beer Harry walked in and I told
him that I had the package. Eichenlaub handed the package to Harry.
This was about 11:30 PJML, I told Harry that I hoped he -would have
good luck with it and that I was glad to get rid of it* I then left
and went to JVanz Siegel's Tavern where I met Ebeling. while drinking
beer with Ebeling I told him that if he wanted to see Harry that he
was over at the Idttle Casino. He had asked me where I had been
during the evening and I told him that I had been at the Idttle Casino
and saw Harry, On the way home we walked over to the Little Casino
and saw that Eichenlaub and Harry were standing on' the sidewalk in
front of the Tavern. I told Ebeling "Here is Harry" and then I went
home* -- .
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Signed
PAUL BiNTE
Signed
PAUL BANTE
Witnesses:
S p e c i a l Agent, F e d e r a l Bureau of I n v e s t i g a t i o n
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Special Agent, Federal Bureau of Investigation
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Age 50 years
Date of b i r t h November 14, 1890, at
L&remcheid, Germany
Weight 170 pounds
Builu Medium heavy
Hair Brown
Eyes Brown
Face Round
Eyeglasses Wears eyeglasses, heavy lenses
Complexion Ruddy
Occupation Machinist
Nationality Naturalized American c i t i z e n
Race (>erman____^^,^,^_
Relatives ^, Hflflfl|HHH^F Buenos Aires,
s Argentina}
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MIX. BANTE advised this was a woman Bund member).
(BANTE advised
Stahlhe .
^ ( S t a b l h e i B i meiBber).
0T1X5MAR ISCHIEDRICH, Steward M.S. S t .
BANTE
No active bank account has been located for PAUL BANTE. An account
closed out August 11, 1933, was found at the Manhattan Savings Institute, 154
East 86th Street, New York City. This account -was checked but no suspicious
entries were noted, BANTE'S address at that time was given as 186 East 93rd
Street, New York City, occupation, steel worker, parents CARL and MARGARETA
BANTE, both deceased*
Records of the Adjutant General's Office, Albany, New York, reflect
PAUL BANTE enlisted in the National Guard, October 23, 1933 and received an
honorable discharge on October 22, 1936. He was 42 years of age at the time
of enlistment in the Headquarters Detachment and CT, 1st Battalion, 212
Coast Artillery, He was transferred to the inactive National Guard as a
Private, 1st class on October 16, 1934.
(Serial 8175 page 2)
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Buenos Aires, Arge
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Sebold.
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Age 43
Born October 1, 1898, West S a y v i l l e ,
Long I s l a n d , New York
Height 6' 3 "
Weight 19O#
Eyes Blue
Hair Sandy, bald
Complexion Rudy
Build Medium t h i n
Occupation Seaman (Lt, Marine Kaval Reserves)
Crime Record Hone known
Parents JOHN BEVELAMDER, father
ALICE BEVELANDER, mother
West S a w i l l e , Long I s l a n d , New York
Brothers
Sister . ^
Marital Status V>10. ^^MMHHM|a||fifJH
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Marc h 19, FEHSK .stUd toe w*t bringing BLMK *Ltb. bl oa Friday,
Varth 21t.
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A., To Germany,
Q, Is that all that transpired the first time you saw FEHSE?
A. As far as I recall it, yts*
ft* The second time you saw FEHSE, what transpired? "Where did he meet
you?
Ju In the store*
Q Westermann1 s Book Store?
A, He came in and asked if I got the Maritime Register and magazines,
I told him I am not able to get it insofar as I knowj that somebody who
wanted it has to write for it. He said I should try anyhow once more,
I might be able to get it.
Q, Was anybody else with him?
A. The first o the second time there was a younger man with him.
Q. Do you remember his name?
A* No,
Q* Have you seen a picture of him?
A, He had a smaller face than FERSE has.
Q, You saw the picture of LEO WAAIEN Was that him?
A* I couldnH recognize him from that photograph. I do not recall
the name* Maybe the name was JTAALEN, I donH taiow. The man was with
him one time.
Q Were you introduced to that man?
A*. I don't remember that. '
Q You donTt remember?
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you to accompany him to the office of the man to which you refer
on 42nd Street.
A. He waited for me outside in his car, sod he told me "before that
he "wanted to introduce me to an engineer who would like to meet me,
if I could come up -with him.
Q, Bid he tell you -why the engineer -wanted to meet you?
A. To talk with me.
Q, Along -hat lines?
A I do not think he specified, I do not recall that*
Q, Did you have any idea at that time T!tat the engineer wanted to
talk bo you about?
A. Ho. I iras a little suspicious when Mr. FEHSE asked me for the
Maritime Register that he wanted it for a purpose that might get him
into trouble or me into trouble,
Qjt Were you, then, suspicious of the meeting with this engineer before
you went up there?
A. Well, not so much. So then we went to 42nd Street, between 6th
and 7th Avenue, parked the car off 6th Avenue, and he took me in a
building on the down-town side of 42nd Street, between 6th and 7th.
Avenues What floor I do not recall.
Q* Mr. BLANK, did Mr, FE3SE giv you some indication why he wanted
you to go to that office and talk with the engineer. Tou ordinarily
do not go off with somebody to talk to individuals unless you know
why they want to talk to you.
A I do not recall that.
Q o Well, do you know why you Trent up there? You do not ordinarily go
just because somebody wants to talk to you, do you?
A. Well, I wouldnH say that.
Q Were you suspicious of FESSE?
A. A little bit.
Q. Yet you went with him to see this engineer? : -
A, Yes.
Q Tell us what happened after you entered the office of the
engineer.
A. We entered the office, and we were sitting around a desk* He
introduced me in the man's office, and the man asked me inhere I worked,
Westermaru^s, and I said yes, I work in Weatennann's. I do not know
if I mentioned how many years I worked there.
Q, Did you tell this engineer that you thought you would come up
to him once and report to him?
A. I do not recall saying that, I had nothing to report to that
man.
Q. Did this man ask you if you knew any contacts, or with whom you
were acquainted over there, meaning in Germany?
A. I think he asked me if I had some contacts with somebody from
Germany.
Q TJhat did you tell him?
A. I told him, well, I do not have any contacts. I know a man by
tile name of HANS TSCHIRRA*
Q. And where did he work?
A. He worked on the Bremen.
Q. Did you ask this man, this engineer, if he
A, I do not know ^ M f H H I heard of him. Never met him,
. A though. Never saw him.
Q. T h i s H H ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ H B f whom you have heard, where does he work?
A. He is with the JUNKERS AIRPLANE CO. in Dresseu,
Q. Bid this individual ask if you were over there in 1939,meaning
Germany?
A. I do not know if he asked me that, but I was not there in 1939. I
was in Germany in January and February 1936.
Q. Did this individual ask you how long you had been in this business,
meaning espionage business?
A. Well, he didn't ask me about espionage business, He asked me if
I ever got some information." I said well, I gave TSCHTRRA. a letter,once,
Q, That you had received from whom? "
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Q. Do you recall Tshen. this was that you gave this letter to TSCHTJRRA?
Q. Did the person who brought this letter to the store ask you to give
it to HANS?
A. No,
A Yes.
Q, Was the letter addressed to anyone?
A, No. He mentioned when the man is in Berlin he can open the letter.
And once I got a magazine for him which I had to get down-town in some
kind of a second-hand store, a back number of an aviation magazine* He
gave me ten dollars for expenses and in case he wanted something else
again I should keep the rest,
Q. How often did HANS give you money? Were you receiving regular sums
from him periodically?
Q* Did you ever give anything at all to him to take over to Germany
or any other place?
A. No.
Q Did you ever give OSCAR STABLER any letters to take to Germany
or elsewhere?
A, Yes, To Germany, lay way of Italy. On two occasions, If I recall it right,
two letters each, one to my brother and one to my parents. Once an en-
velope and a book called "DIESEL", by PAUL WILKINSON, an American
publication, by tray of Lisbon.
Q. ho gave you these letters to give to STABLER?
A. Ihich letters?
Q. The envelope and the book that you refer to.
A. Late in 1940.
A. Yes.
A. No.
A. I think so.
Q9 Do you know the address that was on the envelope on the inside?
A. No.
A* She asked me if I knew somebody who could take the envelope and
the book along on a boat, so it wouldn't get lost. So I said I know
somebody. So I gave the envelope and the book to Mr. OSCAR STABLER,
and I brought it down myself to the Excambion and gave it to him.
A. I said bring that to the German Consulate in Portugal, and they should
see that it gets to Germany.
A. No. I left the office again and two or three days after
gave me a letter and asked as if I could give that letter to man
who brought him the letter
A. No,
Q He did not give you a letter to be transmitted to Germany after his
arrest in Bermuda?
A. Oh, to .Germany, yes. Oh,yes. After he came back from Bermuda. It
was addressed to Lisbon.
Q. And to whom was it addressed in Lisbon?
A. 'To a lady in the German Consulate. I do not recall the name.
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A. I wrote this*
Q. You wrote Dr, DOUGLAS, But you did not write SAUERM&M. Do you
recall writing this in the engineer's office?
A* Yes.
Q Were you afraid to write Dr. DOUGLAS SAIJERSIAMN's name on a piece
of paper in this engineer's office? For fear someone might find
it?
A. Well, I didn't see any reason why I should write it down for him,
because I was suspicious and I didn't want to get mixed up in anything
in that office. So I asked him why would I have to yrrite it down, and
he says well, you write it down. That's alright.
Q.
Q. Did the engineer ask you what kind of business address you had
in Berlin, in order to send this message across regarding Dr. SAUEKMAMI?
Q. And whose name should be mentioned? Did you tell him to mention
anyone's name for the message to be given to?
Q. Did you tell him to send it to-HANS TSGHIRRA or to mention the name
of -HAHS TSCHIRRA. in the message?
Q. Did you tell the engineer that TSCHXRRA worked in the War Ministry?
Q. Did you knew that HANS TSCHIRftA. worked in the War Ministry?
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A. No.
Q. Did anyone ever call you after that meeting with the engineer in
his office in regard to getting telephone books of English cities,
requested by Germany.
A. I am not sure.
Q. Did you mention to the engineer that you were able to express your-
self in code among the people in "Westermann's Book Store?
Qt Did you say that this WILKINSON* received money from Germany
for articles he -wrote?
Q, Did the engineer ask you if you -were a member of the party here
in New York?
Q,m Did you mention knowing numerous individuals in the German Sports
Club, who work for various plants from whom you might be able to
get information?
Q. Did you tell him, this engineer, that these club members have
known you for a number of years but that they didn't know anything
else?
A, Well, they all know I was working* They all know that. That I
am in the Westermann Book Store, But I never did anything of that kind,
like making connections to gather some information from people in the
sport club. Nothing of the kind,
A. That is possible,
Q, Did you tell him that you would be willing to take out papers
again, although your papers had lapsed?
A. I do not recall*
Q Did you tell this engineer that sometime last year you had an
individual who had information concerning gas tanks and brakes for
airplanes, but that you didn't have any money?
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A. No sir*
Q. Although you had attempted to locate the Maritime Register
for Mr* FEHSE prior to going up to this meeting with the engineer.
A. Before that, you mean? I told him right away I doubted very
much if I can get it for him, so I asked our president if we are able
to get that through toe book store. He said I do not think so. You
had better find out* So I asked another man from our office if he knows
something about it, and he says, as far a3 he knows people who want
it have to write for it.
Q. lhat other man did you ask about this?
YEC:PAM
to get the Maritime Register. BLANK told him that he had not obtained it
and asked hinnrhy he wanted the Register, FEHSE stated that he needed it
for somebody but did not tell BLANK for whoa he wanted this Register.
BLANK asked for whom FEHSE wanted the magazine as it seemed to be something
dealing with shipping and still FEHSE did not reply. BIANK stated that
he had doubts about FEHSE at that tine as he wanted this magasijne and BLANK
thought he wanted it for someone whose name FEHSS did not desire to be known.
BLANK knew FEHSE was German and they spoke in German because FEHSE
spoke poor English. FEHSE did not tell BIANK what his business was and
BIANK stated that he thought FEHSE was in some "fishy" business because
FEHSE could not say for whoa he worked* BIANK stated that he and FEHSE
talked about the war and economic conditions all over the world and that
mentioned that he had gotten a letter frcjyfo^^id from-4&V
H H B ( f i r s t name not recalled) in which letter . H H H F e x p l a i n e d
the political and economic condition of Holland* FEHSE told BLANK that he
would like to read the letter, so BIANK said that he would try to find it
and bring it around to Westeimim's so FEHSE could read the same. BLANK t
stated that he found this letter at his home and brought it to Westeriaann s
for FEHSE to see at a later date. He later turned this letter over to
FEHSE tc take bat asked FEHSE to bring it back. FEHSE did bring this
letter back four or five days later. On this occasion FEHSE asked BIANK
to go see an engineer around Times Square in New York. BLANK said he
could not go that day, as he had something else to do. FEHSE suggested
the next day, which BLANK believes he accepted as being all right. FEHSE
told BLANK that the engineer wanted to meet him but he did not say why.
On the next day BLANK and FEHSE went to 42nd Street between Sixth
and Seventh Avenues. FEHSE introduced BLANK to the engineer and these three -
FEHSE, the engineer and BLANK were the only ones present. The engineer,
whose name BLANK does not recall, asked BLANK if he worked in Westenaann's.
BLANK told him yes, that he had worked there about twelve years. Hie
engineer asked about what kind of books they sold and BLANK'S business there.
BLANK told the engineer that he was a salesman in Westermann's. The engi-
neer asked if BLANK did not meet a lot of people and BLANK told his yes,
that he met all kinds of people. The engineer said that BLANK oust have
a lot of engineers and scientists for customers. BIANK replied that lie
knew a lot of them for some years. The engineer then asked BLANK if he had
any contacts among them - meaning personal contacts. BLANK told the engi-
neer "No, I can't go out much because I can't afford it." Blaniastated
that he thinks the engineer asked if he knew anyone in,airplan^-factories
and that he told the engineer that he did not know anyone personally
who works in airplane factories. . \ . : . .., ,
Itoen the engineer asked BLANK i f he had any contacts among engi-
neers and cintifi men, BLANK stated,-Quit he could noi^afford t o get
out. The engineer then s a i d t h a t i f BXANK wanted t o g out with soaeqne ,,
and had expenses he (the engineer) B&ghf be 1 able t o get him sows xftoney;
BLANK stated that t h i s made him very suspicious and he t o l d the engineer "
that he would come around some other time. BLANK reiterated previous . _._
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anyone that he received this pin from the German Air Corps.
BIANK stated that HHBH that his
wife came to the united States in 5-929 *nd i s a naturalized American
citizen.
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WITNESS CLASSIFICATION
Tffxlliam Sebold.
Microphone Surveillance -
(Admissibility Questionable).
5 Employment Record
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r Ee:
Address:
S. 6401 p.5,6
"
5* Employment Record
.S.S. Lines*
7SS Lines,
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BROKHOFF,
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prepar ations
A small
of
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adaressofHAERY SAWYER, which was found in a suit of
clothes of Brokhoff, hanging in a closet.
A Royal Companion Typewriter, #CD 163650.
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Relatives
(Cont'd)
Father - deceased.
HISTORY
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Nov. DeCi
Suppl* 1,05 Dec. 4 46.00
Dec. 6 45.00 11 46,00
13 45.00 18 46.00
20 44.00 25 45.00
27 44.00 31 37.00
30 20.00
$1969.45 $2432.09
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ALFRED E. BROKHOFF
Name Brokhof
Alias 326 M 60th Street, West
Address
He?? lork, New Jersey
Age 36
Height
height
Build
Eair glasses.
Glasses
Co
Marital status
Wife
< a 1935 gray P l ^ t n sedan bearing I.e. Jersey
1940 license 94H.
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YilTHESS CLASSIFICATION.
William Sebold.
5. Enyloyment Record.
November 22, WILLIAM SEBOTJ) met FREDERICK DTJQEESNE and, among other things,
1940. gave him a copy of that portion of message #62 which was
addressed to him and which read as follows s '
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Age 37
Weight 130 lbs
Height 56"
gair Dark brown
Eyes Brown
Complexion Fair
Carriage Erect
Strong, large features
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WITNESS CLASSIFICATION.
trie
1. Immigration and Naturalization
Microphone Surveillance
(Adnis sibility Questionable).
5. Employment Record.
Re:
Address:
According to HE II; I
from him to his nail
for trar.smittal to Germany, are forwarded to]
a i r mail on Italian Air Lillys. ^^Haflf^1'*^ forwaras tiie
communications to Germany.
Serial 5871
Serial 6688, pp.3, 30, 31
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TCTTNE5S CLASSIFICATION
HEINRICH CUflSING
nt Record
U. S. S. Lines
?e-KcCormack lines.
US.S. lines.
June 27, Agents of the Bureau while shadowing FRANZ STIGLER observed him
1940. go to 326 - 60th Street, West New York, New Jersey. He remained
at this address approximately thirty minutes and reappeared in
the company of two men, who entered a Plymouth Sedan bearing
1940 New Jersey license plates HF 94 H. One of these men was
later identified to be HEINRICH CLAUSING.
SEBOLD asked hi* who Henry was and SIBQLER said that hit naae
was HEIHRICH CL1USINQ ad that he works on the S "Brail,"
which ins then la port* H said that Classing was supposed
to bring up some cameras, including leicas, to be used by
SIEOLER, either in akin* sdoTOphotegre.phs or other photographs.
He stated that CIATJSTJG is a member of the Has! Party in
Germany and inferred that he used to carry materials and
Massages between Be* York City and Sooth America*
(S* 2244; P* 18)
Dec. 13, Bureau agents while shadowing FRANZ STIGXER followed him to
1940 Hoboken, New Jersey, where he walked to JOS MILLER'. TA.VE8H,
212 River Street*. Subeoquently he left thit tarera accom-
panied by an indiridual subeequently identified to be HSI-
RICH CLaTJSTJQ. the two returned to the downtown Hoboken
itrtj fcatiea and borded a ferry bound for Christopher
street* a^Mttaa. M tl entrance of the ferry in Maahattaa
STIGLER separated from CLAUSUQ and a rurreilluo* of CULUSIKG
was eoadweted by the agents* Clauaing took tezl to Pier 32
occtipied by the Moore-MeCoralek LLaea* After paying for the
taxi hire, Clausing entered Pier 32, vas followed inside and
observed to go on board the S^s* **Argeatiaa9l> without having
to exhibit his pass to the guard, on duty at the gangplank.
Prior to Stigler's going to Hoboken) he was observed through
a window by agent to be sitting la his room typing some form
of doeweest*
(S*. 55U; p* 7)
Dec. 2 0 , SEBOLD brought EKUM SIEGLEH t o h i s o f f i c e , *oam 627, 152 Vest
19AO 42 S t r e e t , and during the oonTersatieev SUSQLgE .OMm. ssng other
things, that STIGLER had sent a l e t t e r t o GBOEOB^U Sowth
Aswrlea through a aan by the naae of BBilX CLaTjaiMGr.wnQ works
on a Moore-MeCondek liner golag to Buenos Aires l a Argentina.
(S* 4761* p* 32)
Jan. 20, In a conversation between FEJSB and WILLlaM SEBOIB i n SeboUs
1941 offlos FKHSB, asong other things, said that he has * ooaapetim
in Sowth Isarica and whea asked who i t was Fehse said tact tha
man's naae i s CLAUSBJG, that he i s abeut 32 years old, heavy
set and a cook* He said that the aan trios to get information
in the U.S.A. and then mails the information from South America
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SIEGLEE stated that the ^ d d r e s e i s a mail drop and
that Clausing sends his mail to Germany through that address
by Italian airmail*
(S* 6369* p . 6)
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Jan* 29, Radio Message Ho* 94 was received from Germny and read
1941* as follows*
"Last letter from Carlos received here January 24, 1941;
reports from Carlos are unfortunately somewhat out of
date as a result of traassdcsion by letter but are never-
theless important*"
(S. 5116; p. 18)
Jan* 30, Daring & conversation between PAUL FEHSE and WILLIAM
19a- SEBOLJJ which took piece in Sebold's office, Sebold
handed FEHSE German Message *o* 94 set out above and
Fehse again confirmed the fact that Carlos referred to
in the aeseage is HEHRT CLAUSING*
(S* 6438j pe 4)
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(Serial 6686 p 4 3)
r from Germany.
(Serial 6688 p. 2)
65-1819 CLAUSING
March 17, Radio message #220 was sent to Germany -which read in
1941, part, "I have also given the same materials to CARLOS.
Please let me know whether CARLOS' materials arrive".
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CLAUSING
June 9,
1941.
\5\t- Radio Mesaage#292 was sent to Germany and read:-
"Have given J J U a further one four micros as /well
as four publications and two pieces of rubber from Dunn/
Carlos and Leo.*
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CLAUSING
Yfhen the present war broke out between England and Germany, I was
s t i l l working on the S. S. Manhattan as a cook, PAUL FEHSE s t i l l being a crew
member a l s o . This vessel was then running between the Port of New York and
Ports in Germany, France and England. A few -weeks after the present war b e -
gan, the United States Lines wanted me, among other seaman to ship out on the
Manhattan for Ireland to pick up a load of American Citizens "who had been
gathered in Ireland. I agreed to go on t h i s p a r t i c u l a r t r i p as I vras told
t h a t no contraband was to be taken and t h a t the vessel was to s a i l to Ireland
only to pick up American Citizens. Since I was a c i t i z e n , I f e l t that I should
ship out. under the circumstances. I told them I would go.. In the meantime,
the ship began to load and l a t e r I learned was to s a i l to France" and England
On learning . t h i s , I told them that I would not go and I did not because I did
not want to go to a warring country but was willing to pick up American Citi-
zens i n a Neutral Port, such as Ireland. "
v , >
I then went to l i v e with ALFRED E. BKDKHOFF Ttfiom I had known for about
four years a s a dock mechanic with t h e United States Lines. I lived -with him for
about six weeks, "when I secured employment as a cook on t h e SS Argentina of
the Moore-McCormack Steamship Line, i n Hew York City, with -whom I have since been
employed. On one of my f i r s t t r i p s back t o New York following my f i r s t employ-
ment by them, I began to hear rumors t h a t PAUL FEHSE had shipped out on someother
boat. I t i s possiole that I heard these nzmors while I s t i l l was l i v i n g "with
BKOKHOFF. I can not be sure. I als> l a t e r heard from some sourse t h a t I do not
now r e c a l l , t h a t PAUL FEHSE had skipped h i s ship i n Horway or Sweden, and knowing
that he was supposed t o be married and have a family in Germany, I j u s t figured
he had skipped t o go home.
Shortly a f t e r I hear the above rumors, FRANZ STIGLER came t o me and
said t h a t PAUL FSESE was coming back. He did not t e l l me how he knew t h i s and
I did n o t a s k . He asked me for t h e address of ALFRED E. BROKHOFF which I had,
and he thereupon gave me a small package about about 8" x3" x l " but did not
t e l l me what vra.s i n i t , and said t h a t I should take the same to ALFPED E.
BROKKOFF and t e l l him i t was for PAUL FSISE and to keep i t u n t i l FBHSE returned
but to t e l l him nothing e l s e . This 1 did and BRQKHQFF did not seem t o know
about i t so I told him t h a t PAUL FEHSE was going t o return t o t h e United S t a t e s .
3K3KHOFF took the package and said a l r i g h t . On my next t r i p bank t o New York
after t h e above incident "vfaich was about t h i r t y - e i g h t days, I went t o BR0KRO?i-''S
house and found t h a t PAUL F 2HSE was t h e r e . I t o l d FEHSE why I had l e f t the
S. S. Manhattan and he agreed with me saying t h a t t h a t was the reason why he
had l e f t t h a t ship a l s o . No one else was present during these conversations
betweenFEHSE and myself to t h e best of my recollection. In conversations t h a t
followed, FEHSE told me t h a t he had jumped ship in Norway, gone to v i s i t h i s
wife i n Hamburg, Germany and while here was contacted by Germany Authorities
who induced him to r e t u r n to t h e United States for them and c o l l e c t any informa-
tion which might be of value to German Authorities and transmit i t back to them
through contacts i n I t a l y . At t h i s time, FSHSE told me about a man named
-GERHOFFy whom he indicated, was h i s immediate superior o f f i c e r , I do not r e -
c a l l any of the details about t h a t man. FEHSE did n o t mention any others t h a t
I can now r e c a l l . FEHSE told me t h a t I had done r i g h t i n leaving the S. S.
Manhattan and that I should be willing to do what I could for Germany as my
bid mother and brother were s t i l l i n Germany. I told FEHSE t h a t I was willing to
help Germany a n T j ^ ^ h a ^ L ^ o j n d ^ s p i ^ a ^ ^ e a M ^ ^ h ^ B r i ^ i ^ i ^ ^ F E H S E gave
me the name Vi^^^^^^^^HHHH[||^H|jjj||Hlj||jj|jJHHHHV
should forward an^^KioraE^^minGLgntpick up, adding tha^tne material and
information when received a t the above address would be sent on to Germany
Authorities in Germany.
About two weeks before PAUL FSFSE'S a r r e s t , which would have been
during the f i r s t two weeks in March 1941, I went over to ALFRED E. BROKHOFF'S
house and met PAUL FEHSE. FEHSE introduced me to a man named LEO WAALEN, who
was with him a t that time and since WAALEN was with FEHSE, I knew that WAALEN \
must be a l l r i g h t , so I did not ask any questions. I do not recall -whether
BEDKHOFF was present a t this meeting. I do r e c a l l t h a t FEHSE, WAALEN and my-
self then went t o a room in the News i.eek Building, where FEHS3 introduced me
to a man named HARK! SAWiSR. FiHSE and WAALEN seemed to have already known t h i s
man before. During this meeting, SAWYER asked me about being in Germany l a t e l y I
and I told him where I was working. SAWYER asked me how I got my stuff across
and I told him t h a t I mailed i t . He. me for my mailing addresses that I
had used and I save him the name of whom I have mentioned before
alo by the name
I might s t a t e here
months ago wnen shopping"around Santos, and found
that he was a German Born Citizen who had lived there for a great number of
years. He had spoken favorably towards Germany and I sueeeETtedthai^eeould
help by forwarding any l e t t e r s I might send to him to H M U m
Ke agreed to do t h i s and I gave him the necessary
SAViYERjbhe wrongaddress, and l a t e r
when I s a w ^ ^ ^ H B h e told me that he had received no l e t t e r s " a t " a l l . This
man had nothing t o do with t h i s business whatsoever, and as h i s wife i s i l l , I
V-\~\P not not wish to cause him any trouble and that i s the principal reason why I
*-} ^ I gave SAWYER the wrong address. ~^
I can now r e c a l l that about four o r five years ago I met PAUL BANTE
in New York City, through the Sauce Cook on the S. S. Manhattan, j u s t vhat the
circumstances are I do not r e c a l l . BANTE t o l d me he was from Germany, was
married, had a daughter and that he and h i s wife were divorced; t h a t h i s
family was s t i l l l i v i n g i n Buenos Aeries, Argentinaj t h a t he had been i n the
United States f o r a long time and was a c i t i z e n and had decided to remain.
He asked me to see h i s wife on my next t r i p down to Argetina and see if she
would not return to him-. I olid not want t o get mixed up" in- it- but consented _-. . - ^
to do so once. I did not l i k e PAUL BANTE'S affair and did not want to get
mixed up in i t . I also r e c a l l t h a t before PAUL FEESE'3 a r r e s t , he mentioned
knowing PAUL BANTE to me. I also r e c a l l t h a t ALFRED E. BROKHOFF introduced
me to GB3RGE SCHUH, but I can not r e c a l l the circumstances under which we
met however SCHUH and BROKHOFF seem to know each other f a i r l y well. I r e c a l l
also a f t e r meeting GEORGE SCHUH, SCHUH asked roe what I had found out about
PAUL BANTE'S wife, a s BANTE had been asking him to see me and see what I had learned
I wish t o s t a t e that the only ones I know connected in gathering
informati on f or the otherside are ALFRED E. BROKHOFF, PAUL FEHSE, and LEO
1AALEN, -which I know from t h e fact that they associated with PAUL FEHSE who
was engaged in that type of work and t o l d me so. I know PAUL BANTE, GB3RGE
SCHUH, FRANZ STTGLEP, SKHLN SISGLER and ERIGK STRUM, but i f they were engaged
i n assisting Germany, I can not say definately of my ovm personal knowledge.
MTNESSSS:
Special Agents,
Federal Bureau of Investigation,
U. S. Department of J u s t i c e .
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5, Employment Record
NAME ....
Residence...
and North America, etc., STADE vras not sure of one set
of degree figures, -where the convoy met, when ships left
from Bermuda he said 20 degrees and 50 degrees
meridian, and said he would phone the next day giving
the correct figures.
May 15, STADE telephoned SEBOLD at his office and gave him
1941. the figure as 53 degrees, stating that it applied to
'ship information.
SEBOLD then
'said he-yas * o k i ^ ; He; stated he also
j i v e s at
' though
ised "to give
him some hints once in awhile about code.
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"ay 24, Radio Message #^51 was received from Germany and read,
1941. "For SIEGFRIED and j U Please confirm second part of
courses double point twenty degrees east fifty, three north,
or do you mean t h i r t y five. Question. "Who i s SIEGFRIED?.11
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Name
Age
Height
height 150 pounds
Light brown
b"\C- Hair
Face
Marital Status
Full high forehead
Single
Occupation
Nationality
Relatives
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WITNESS CLASSIFICATION
4 Microphone Surveillance
(Admis3ibillty Questionable
5. Employment Record.
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Address: P a r i s , France
Branch - Lisbon, Portugal
S-6309, p.9
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WITNESS CLASSIFICATION
JOSEPHINE DeANGELES
JByron H
2. Espionage A c t i v i t i e s - Knotm cr P o s s i b l e .
Passport Division.
4* Microphone Surveillance
(Admissibility Questionable.)
5 Employment Record.
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* *#*
From the records of the Bureau of Iwaigrati* and Naturaliza-
tion, Washington, V* C it uras ascertained that GIUSEPPINA De ANGELES
applied cades' So* 547187 for a re-entry permit on October 28, 1929 to
sil fros -the port of Me* on Koveabex 9, 1929 oa toe 3*5* BCoate
Biancano" to Italy* She stated in her application that she was bora
February 14, 1890 at Meta di Sorrento, Italy, immigrated to the United
States from Italy, landing in New York oa September 1> 1910 on the S5.
"Verona". Her husband *s nane is given as (JIUSEPPO Di GEMARO.
(S, 2238)
Froa the records of the Bureau of Immigration and Naturaliza-
tion, Ellis Island, IW;Iark, it was ascertained that on August 25* 1930 the
S*S "Conte Bianoaaano" arrived at New York City and included among its
passengers was JOSEPHINE (GIUSEPPINA) De ANGELES, age 46, female, oarried,
housewife, Italian, of the South Italian race, who arrived with Tisa No*
541311, issued at Washington, D.C, on Noveaber 1, 1929, after submission
of applicatien #547137.
No record could be found concerning her at the ^emigration
and Naturalization Service, 641 Washingtoj^ Street, New Xork City, indicate
ing that she had no so far apparently applied for citizenship,
(S. 2377, pe 36)
_ ^ Stated
that I n | l i l i n Ui iii| nl W M B B e M e W e f >"'' ' " ' "nil iilia hml
on one occasion seat a gas mask for DUQUESNS to Berlin in on* of her
L packages; that she also had enclosed l e t t e r s of his i s heir own letters
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*
child,
in Cata*U,
-V,
Josopbiee Mario
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Busiaesa address:
HMivityi
Occupation:
Reeordt Uakao
Fingerprints: Not available
Citisenships Entered United States September 1, 1910.,
No record of naturalization.
Photograph: On file. Exhibit No, la5O5
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WITNESS CLASSIFICATION
1. Immigration and N a t u r a l i z a t i o n
William Sebold*
U* Microphone S u r r e i l l a n c e -
(Admissibility Questionable)
5. Jjfriployment Record
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Columbia University.
The records at Columbia University reflect that he"
was Dorn September 18, 191S at New Tork City; that on June 4, 1940
he received an AB. degree, with major in psychology. He was a
member of Phi Beta Kappa.
A p h o t o g r a p h ^ m P has been obtained. He
is 5!8 1/2" tall, and weighs 156 pounds.
Ls proficient in the use of the inter-
national Morse code and can transmit 30 words per ninute.
s an employe
If or one month.
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ALFRED E. BROKHOFF, with aliases
Re: Alfred Brokhoss, Alfred Brockhoff,
Brokhof.
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Oct 25, On that day a message was received from Germany that
1940 it was all right for FEHSE to return.
SEBOID -wrote a letter which he addressed to P* F#
BROKHCFF, West New York, New Jersey. The letter was
written in German but, ihen translated, reads as
follows:
"Dear Fink:
WITNESS CLASSIFICATION
William Sebold
Microphone Surveillance -
(AdmJssibillty Questionable)
5 Employment Record.
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July 11, Message #17 was received from Germany and read as follows:
1940
"Send via Manhattan to ^ B B Lisbon for forwarding Air
Army and Mary Journal N O T H A F O M five four naught* Army
and Havy Register No. M B one five four naught* Wall
Street Journal*Ho# KAK one seren fouraiaught and current
sheets. Many greetings."
(S* 2010, p . 3)
July 19, SIEGLER i n a conversation with WILLIAM SEBOID said that
1940 he had no trouble in making coataet in Lisbon; that tae
ship's chandler, that i s , the man who cells the boat i t s
supplies,Wcage
M
on board as soon as the snip docked and
caIDS
with him HHHHHHV to SIEGLER and
Siegler gave nxi^hopasswordi Sosam greetingsFranz.
They then went back to Seigler's cabin a n d ^ m handed
over to him $1350 to pay off t-he subjects as stated above
la radio message fros 441500 with which to boy
a mew bosbsight* However i^ said that SD2GIER shomid
t e l l him (Sebold) that no oney ould be paid for a KOREEN
boabsight as t h a i bo-freight i s no good* Ho handed SIBGLER
a torm slip of onioa-skin paper bearing the writing i n blue
heavy pencil or crayon "L. C. ROBDEL (N)" Ho gare this
slip of paper so SIEGLER would mot for*gt t h e i ^ a e of the
bombsight which was not to be pur chased* m i p s a i d that
in case ho (Sebold) could not get a bombsight he should use
the money for other things*
falso told SIEGLER that he had received the message
the wire and the tin oaa hanging out of the port hole
and that the cemmmlcation system works perfectly and could
not work better*
SIEGLER
and i^a *tly is net
he did no Barn what his right name is. SJJSGLSR said that
that he;
(espionage)
possibly
the Consul,
Siegler stated that .plained to him
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but did know that i t was run by someone by the name of-1
. . . . . J s a i d t h a t ha had been informed from Hamburg that
sclwaseoming and that he received his information when
Strunck'a ahip was three days out of Hew York. Strunck stated
he handwjflHHH&U of the materials which he was carrying.
( S . 3045, p 10)
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Oct. 16, SEBOID met CONRADIS OTTO DOLD and D01D agreed to take
1940 materials to Lisbon, Portugal, and also told his to t e l l
at the men were asking for money*
(S. 3533, p . 13)
Oct 29, SEBOID met ERICH STRUNCK at Columbus Circle and walking in
1940 Central Park* Strunck handed SEBOID a grey paper sack *n-
taiaing $500 inosne, fire and fifty dollar bills* STRUNCK
also handed him a penciled not* written in German which
when translated read as fellows*
"Usfron, October 15, 1940*
Dear Mr. S*
Enclosed $500 Ihich I should give to you from
the doctor. I .hope that everything i s going as well with"
you as i t i s with me. Best regards. ]
In the lower leftharfd corner of the sheet is written the
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following*
"Enclosure
$500
1 aiero
2 smaller micros were sent l a s t week
AITFZUG."
(S. 3851, p . 3)
NOT*, 8, ITLLIAJi SEBOLD met EKSTN SIEGIIl a t the restaurant "ZUB
1940 Sehwaraen idler", New York City, about 9 pa* ERICH STRONCK
Joined them about 9:15 p* During the conversation STRTJNCK
said that he was going to work on the S.S. "Siboney" for
He said that he wac sore [~
^ t r n n c k ' 8 ) real name Uoo
Treely inhi^conversations around Lisbon* He was also put
out thatfflH^Hb&d not given his any money up to that time*
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Dec* 20, Message #141 was sent to Germany and read i n part:
1940
"Didyoureceive the materials I sent Knorke
Hi etc."
(S. 4479, p . 19)
Ifea* 2 , ERICH STRUNCE upon his return from Lisbon, was brought to
1941 SEBOLDfs office by SEBOLDandduring the conrersatioa STRTJNCK
stated t h a t he had o e t f l H | B L n Lisbon on t h a t t r i p but that
H H | h a d nothing for hSZHe stated thatHHpgar hi*
rs t o be mailed, one of *hieh was ftwuLondon addressed
to JIMKI HlsRDj t'b* other waa apparently a death notice, accord-
ing t o Sirusek, sine* i t w* i n the usual black bordered envelope,
and was addressed t o soneone i n Chicago.
bid STRUNCK stated that had seen DOLD i n Lisbon and had i n -
structed him (Strunok t o give hie personal greetings tea DOLD
in case he
t h a t DOLD
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said that this was not the case? that he personally telephoned
HOLD at his hotel room on the same day as STIGLER tried to contact
him, but l a t e at night, and that DGLD would not come downstairs
because he had a girl in his room* He then made a date with DOID
to meet him at 11 A*M and, i n case ha could not come at that time,
to be at Columbia Circle at 4 PM, but DGED did not show up* IEB3E
said that DQLD i s "too stuck up to meet anyone on a park bench"j
that be has people come to his hotel, the Hotel Governor Clinton j
that he has a young man to chauffeur him around in his automobile*
He stated, however, that he is sure that i f he, SEBdD, cannot get
his materials across on the MANHATTAN DOID will take them over far
him.
1930. page 9)
July 19, SIEGLER, in talking with SEBOID, said that he, FEHSE
1940 and STIGLER, were going to join the SS AJERICA at New-
port News and were going to make a t r i p to Cubaj that
when they were i n New York City they would contact him.
He asked SIEGLER what he could do about sending some
materials to Germany and SIEGIER told him to get i n touch with DOID
at ths Hotel Governor Clinton; that DOID would take care of the
matter &r him.
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Sept. 13, Since SEBOID had never aet DOID and DOID had sent him
1940 a telegram to meet him on the same nigit he sent the
telegram,or before 8 A.M the next day, which telegram
was not received until after the ship had already de
parted, SEBOID addressed the following note to DOID
and left i t a t the Hotel Governor Clinton on September
13, 1940* The note was written in German. DOID was due to arrive
on the same afternoon from Portugal on board the SS EXCAIBION* The
note read, as followst
w
. Septenber 13 - -
Dear Mr. Dollj
Since I unfortunately did not get to meet
you the last time, I would like to speak to you
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Respectfully,
Harry Sawyer
Box 334
Central Post Office
New York City
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C0.De n
Harry
SEBQLD Trent"to the hotel, but was l a t e and D0ID wa
not there. .. ^ ^
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October 16, SEBQID mat BOLD at the hotel at about 7*45 P.M.
1940 DOHi stated that ha had waited fbr him for about
seven minutes, but could not trait any longer*
SEBOID then turned over to Mm a set of micro-
photographs consisting of a l e t t e r from the American
Committee for Defense ch
of British
8 had
Homes, addressed
t f l H H H B B *W- b received from ROEEER
for transmittal to Germany, and a pamphlet from
the same committee, "which requests the recipient
of the l e t t e r to furnish the committee with any
guns which the recipient may have.
He also gave JJQID the residence address and telephone
number of SsmliHliHv^- s b c n * IIe
^ ^ DCjIaj t 0
tellJUpthat
t k men hereareasklSg for money and that the other side should
keep money coming. DCED did not have anything to say and SEBOLD
only stayed about ten minutes. He asked DOID to ccnmunicate with
him the next time he was in New York.
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was very hard to meet; that one had to telephone hia and thai
wait around for him; that he understood that DOD was supposed
to have some big relatives on the other side. FEHSE said that
BOLD has a brother who has some connection with the Foreign Re-
lations Departmit in Nazi headquarters
(Ser. 6138, page 5)
January 22, At about 6 i3O P.M. a man about six feet t a l l , well**
1941 b u i l t , light complexion, blue eyes, and who spoke
with an accent, walked into SEBOLD's office and
asked him, SEBOJD, i f he had sent a ctelegram to a
friend of his by the name of DOH) at the Governor
Clinton Hotel, and also asked i f he was HARRY SAWYER*
SEBQED told him to send his friend up; that i t was
0K The man left and a few minutes later DCQD
walked into the office, said that ba did not have
much time to spare and that to did not want to s i t down. However*
SEBCDD began to talk to him and DOID did s i t down, SEBOLD told
DOLTJ that he was short of messengers at that tine and asked him i f
\l\ts he would take some materials t o ^ j | ^ B DOID said he would*
SEBOLD then asked him about things in general and ba
said that he had a long story to t e l l and would come back the folio**
ing night*. SEBOTJD then asked i f he had seen his brother again since
he had l a s t seen him in- Genoa, Italy, but UOLD said ha had not but
that his brother might show up in Lisbon. SEBOID then said that he
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had beard that his brother had something to do -with the organization
of the German Foreign Office in Stuttgart, Germany. BOLD confirmed
this statement. He tbsn asked BOLD about the barber on the SS
EXCAHBIQN who was arrested by the English* DQLD said that the
stewardess was taken also but was released again; that the English
secret agents then came aboard the ship and had a meal and both agents
took sick and were s t i l l in the hospital* SEBQLD suggested that the
stewardess might have put some drops in the food. D&D said he did
not know anything about that, but he said i t with^a broad grin on
his fact* He also said that he had not s e e n ^ m every time he was
in Lisbon; that the last M^ie he went to his private address and
H H H J H H I B s i g n e d a receipt for some letters of h i s . She acted
^rerynryswriously about i t . He said that he was going to be trans-
ferred to the SS STJ3QNET on account of the difficulties with the two
English secret service men in the dining room who were poisoned* He
said that the authorities had made him sort or responsible for this
occurrrence. SEBQLD said that the transfer to the SIBONEY would not
do him much good, as he already had a man on that boat by the name of
STRUNCK* DOID then said he might be able to find somebody else who
was trustworthy to act as a messenger* He said that he knewthe Chief
Engineer of the EXGAlffilCN, whose name was-JXIBARDT and who i s a good
German; that the man is old and i ^ g o i n g ^ o r e t l r e i n t h e near future.
T h h l B B H H H H H H J I I ^ the name of
naae of
H | | H H F y but the Maritime
Commission i'irediumt
3ked him if he knew a man by the name of
DOH) said that he had heard of a name some-
thing like that* D0T2) said he had brought over three letters on his
last t r i p , one for a lady in Long Island, one l e t t e r to go to somewhere
in the southern part of the U.S.A., and one to South America* He did
not give further details. DQU) said that he would see him again Thurs-
day at the same time in h i s , SEBOLD's office, and that at t h a t time he
would want to take him out to eat some place.
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3S Army,
Office and stated that he had been SHH|H|HBB
the SS EXCAMBIGN during the period of December 1, xy^J xo uanuary
20, 1941? that he had met CONRADIN DOID and he was very pro-Germanj
that he recalled during the sunmerofl939D0ID made thermans
statement
are
before another man by the name BHHBPH^^ B ^_JJ2_ 1 g
00
better than th? Jews and the Americans", and wttKKKm^ ^ ^ J n <to
task ibr i t . He further recalled that when the EXCAMBION was running
to Genoa, Italy, a man used to board the chip there who was pointed
out to hia as a Gestapo agent. This man used to come aboard the
boat every t r i p and meet -the barber OSCAE STABLER. After Italy -went
t o war and the EXCAMBICli stopped running to Genoa and started running
to Lisbon, he observed this ssue man cosfe aboard the boat at Lisbon*
On the occasion when OSCAR STABLER was arrested by the British at
Bermuda, he observed this man come aboard and look for STADLER* Not
finding him he started to leave the boat, but BOLD -walked up t o him
and said something and this man, whom he knew as a Gestapo agent,
accompanied DOLD to his roomj that during the period that this supposed
Gestapo agentjgsinK)ID*s room another employee on the boat by the
name o f
SHPHHVentered t h e TOm
- m6
- remained with DOLD and the
Gestapo agent. He furtrer stated that DOLD belonged to the Deutsches
Bund, Point Hancock, Long Island, his number being 625. He further
stated that D0LDs brother came aboard the EXCAMBIGU at Genoa and
when the two would meet they would give the Nazi salute.
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DOID
Code.
sctal Agents
Lean
Line off of Sandy Hook at the entrance to New York harbor and
shortly thereafter placed DOLD under arrsst He and his qaarl
were searched. He was placed on a United States Coast Guard cutter,
taken to Pier A,, North River and from there taken to the New York
Bur*a Office. U. S. Court House Building, Foley Square, New York,
New York- Here he was questioned and ga- the following signed
statementt
n
New Xork, Hew Xork
July 1, 19U
in Genoa, Italy.
beer to the various s they were
in Jjenoa. X also know that he was engaged in the ship chandlery
business*
On the last voyage that the S. S. Excambion, on which I
was then employ^L^^^^^fteward, made to Genoa, Italy, I became
acquainted with pHHHaflB> This was in May or June of 1940. During
the time that the togamb^n was in port, I was in the Hotel iff y ^ t r in
Genoa, Italy, and^^^^^^Vcamen up to me and s aid that ha wanted to
introduce m^-^-^^^HHHK * was supposedtohavecanefrom my
home town. ^HH^V-then introduced me t o ^ H U m J M ^ a p p e a r e d
to be very pleasant and offered me and my p a r t y a r o u n d o f d r i n k s and
at the time I was left alone with him a t a table, he approached me in
a matter which was quite new to me and meant to carry some letters to
the United States. At that time, I believe he s aid that he wanted to
contact radio people in the United States* Just then, I did not answer
i^theaffirfflative,
had
but on the following day, which was sailing day,
flHflBVi& business on board ship, deposited those two letters
with me. I placed them in one drawer of y dresser, which was kept
open all the time, until my arrival in the United States, and I mailed
those l e t t e r s . l$r recollection i s that these letters were bing
directed to people in the United States.
mi 2
At that time I remembered that one letter was meant for FEHSE and. I
handed all the letters over to him. I believe that one of those letters
was addressed to the Gemaa Consulate in New Toric City.
I had no dealings Tilth any of these men any ore or contact
ith themj that is to say, with HAHRT since the end of January, 1941>
BefflSR since that outing and FEBSE since he reported -with the employ-
ment slip aboard ship.
I hare read the above statement and it is true to the
best of my knowledge and belief.
r
Special Agent
Federal Bureau of Investigation
\ United States Department of Justice
607 United States Court House
Foley Square, New York, New York
Special Agent
Federal Bureau of Investigation
United States Department of Justice
607 United States Court House
Foley Square, Hew York, New York
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rf
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DOLD
;
HISTORY
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Residence Hote
*3y
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Waiter SS Exochorda
Resigned
Waiter SS Exeter
SlSS? SS Exca.Mon 907^5
Second Steward s/27/39
Chief Steward 7720/39
Second Steward q/lli/39
Chief Steward 9/18AO
Trip off vacation ioA2%-
Chief Steward 1/25AI
S!.fSUd
S! l Sibony
fSUfor transfer AO^ ^
Released 14/^/"
Transfer Second Steward,
f J S T Police 6W
AF:ES 1
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SI[^l[HI|[||||||||Hflfl||HmiMF Ame r i c an
Export LinesTsfn^oadws^^He^xorkCity^furnlshed the
following record of the wages earned by Subject CONfUDIN
OTTO DOLD from December 16, 1958 tintll June 30, 19ip..
AMERICAN EXPORT LINES
lf&GES SkHNED BY CONPADIK 0 . DOID
From 12/16/38 t o 6 / 3 0 / 4 1
Voyage From To
ExcambiorT 49 127T5738 2/1739 $210.71
49 2/2/39 2/9/39 35.86
50 2/10/39 3/29/39 224.76
50 3/30/39 4/6/39 35.86
51 4/7/39 5/23/39 210.71
52 5/24/39 7/12/39 268.33
52 7/13/39 7/20/39 33.33
53 7/21/39 9/6/39 195.83
53 9/3/39 9/6/39 4.17
53 9/7/39 9/13/39 29.17
54 9/14/39 9/15/39 8.32
54 9/16/39 11/4/39 364.59
54 11/5/39 11/8/39 23/33
55 11/9/39 12/29/39 348.50
55 12/30/39 12/31/39 11.67
02,005.14
1/1/40 1/4/40 23.33
55
1/5/40 2/26/40 355.33
56
2/27/40 3/1/40 23.33
56
4/17/40 312.33
57 3/2/40
> /to //n 46,67
4/25/40 376=25
. /T_C //Q "57.75
58 6/16/40 6/24^40 153.75
59 6/25/40 7/15/40 51-33
59 7/16/40 7/23/40 177.00
60 7/24/40 8/16/40 19.25
60 8/17/40 8/19/40 183.42
61 8/20/40 9/13/40 12.83
61 9/17/40 9/18/40 40.83
(14 days vacation 1939 31.67
(14 days vacation 1940 19.25
61 9/4/40 9/16/40
25.67
62 10/12/40 10/15/40 162.17
63 10/16/40 11/6/40 170.58
64 11/7/40 11/29/40 177.00
65 H/30/40 12/23/40 19.25
65 12/24/40 12/26/40 ^2,488.90
AMERICAN EX:'OUT LINES
WAGES EARNED BY CONRA.DIN C. DOLD
From 12/16/38 to 6/30/41
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1ITNESS CLASSIFICATION
RALPH CONOVER DOOLET
A* Microphone Surveillance -
(Atimlssibilitj Questionable)
5, Employment Record.
Address... Unknown.
(S. 5091)
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* ****
January 23, Radio Message #92 ir&s received frost dermany and read,
1941. "Ask E m i n to get information about RALPH 0. DOOLST,
Ex-Captain on S S. PRESIDENT ROGSSTSLr, Regards,
w '
DOOLET
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February 12, Radio Message #183 was sent to Germany and read,
1941. "From ERWIN:- DOOLET got fired on S. S. WASHINGTON,
November 1940 over argument nith a passenger over a
woman. Threatened to throw them uver the side. The
couple sued the line. After this it was heard he
worked in the Office of the Navy. Heard he lives separated
from his wife. Somebody said he made lately a trip on a
Navy tanker."
- 3 -
DOOLEY
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WITNESS CIASSIFTCATION
5. Employment Record*
\
v/VJF:J3J
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the
returned to Chile.
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DR. DOUGLAS
- SAUERMAHN
March 26, Radio message #232 -.fas sent to Germany on March 26,
1941 1941, which reads in parts
nESCHIPTION
WITNESS CLASSIFICATION
William Sebold
A# Microphone Surveillance -
(AdmLssibility Questionable)
5 Qnployment Record
RE:
Residence: Unknown.
(S. 6309 P. 9)
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