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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION/PRIVACY ACTS SECTION

COVER SHEET

SUBJECT: FREDERICK DUOUESNE

SECTION: 6
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bureau at Jnui?atisatimi
Hrutei* tatce 53epartmettt of Sustice
?Iew York, N.Y.

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VEC:AOBS May 14, 1941

Director
Federal Bureau of Investigation
Trashing ton, D. C. PERSONAL AM)

R e : ""DUCASE

Dear S i r :

There a r e enclosed herewith S e c t i o n s I and I I ,

of Copies 1 and 2, which copies a r e t h e o r i g i n a l and f i r s t carbon
r e s p e c t i v e l y , of the'/suminary r e p o r t i n t h e above e n t i t l e d caset
dated A p r i l ' 22. 194^.

There a r e a l s o enclosed herevath c o r r e c t e d

pages f o r a p p r o p r i a t e replacement^ a s i n d i c a t e d , i n Copies No. U>
5, and 6, which a r e now a t the Bureau.

The Exhibit r e f e r r e d t o on Page 518, of Seboid's

testimony, should be c o r r e c t e d t o read E x h i b i t 1A14~77, Q 476
r a t h e r t h a n Q 475

Very t r u l y y o u r s ,

ting ibr
C(|NNELLEY( Ass't director*

Enclosures ( 2 )
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CONTENTS

SiCTION 1,

A - Title.
B - Brief Chronological Karrative of C-ase.
C - Identification of Subjects
D - Testimony of V.ILLIM' SEBULD.
E 'witnesses to Leets in SiJiOLD's office.
F - Radio hies sages. '

2.
A - Narrative of Evidence Pertaining to Each Subject

JECTIOW 3.

A - "witnesses and Their Testimony.

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Dold, Boll, Dolli, Bold*.

COHOAVA, with mWUHmt aljA Comera Doolay, Kalph 0 . I.oolej.
ARCHIBALD, wilto a l i a w t Albrecfat'Doulae, iilbrecht k,
I<ralatJ Archibald^OV^Ua^ Cotuit
Albra^it Archibald Q r a f ^ W i l M , Conntf'Saatrwa, Albroht

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Smmewum, Albrcht Qrf Albrscht
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Count Albrerfit l

l ( RUDOLF, with aliases: Rudoif F.bllag, &t4olf brltng, Rudolpn' Ebeling

1, aliass

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Wirit, F. Ink, Bv'VUalt

Walter
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r idtfe ftliauiMt GNtstcr tJmtgsji, Gostav Qrstssa.

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irlth *aliases| 06rg thit, t ^
CUT, ,MR, QBOEQ, w i t h * l ! * s t Krs Gorge'%at, Mrs. 0crg~Good, M&tMMa
l U U i i l d . Koenig Schui^-Gttt, M* thildft Kowilg "ichuebb,

n , Edhrard C

RUDOLPH 4* Vitb aliaasci Rudolf A. Jahe, Capt. Rudolph E,

GDSfAV AK>LFH, with aliaB: Freddie, Flix UhWim.

JUf, idth allMs: . V l l i a s Krcbr#l Qaatav

CSJaiaSSi/otto. ---,.

Herisafiart^g'tll8g,-Karat, Herd,
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', with aliaaeei H*Usrieh Friedxiah

fcliast

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, RTf. ER. Jplflt, with a l i a s : B*r*r*M John Sathis*

, Kar Hapr, Karl Hsupert,

> Qterl<Mr1rigBr|
with a l l M N t l a a s fltr Tea l i t t e r , Hans Rit t a r .

Frits Von Witter,

Kikolo, Kikii,
., with !!* Crrf *Ed Rodr, Pric|
i, UARLt, witb aXiAMSt Mari. Rothsr, Msri. , i;rla Rothar,
Kri. Erich Itothar, Maria tttl
SCJUDK, MAStTIU UIDIfia

Soiaife, Ottoarr
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C STUM, LXLLX BABSAX|

Ssf
STIQLBS, FRAHZ JOSW,

with *!!*: Frit* Knorki, Erich Strunk|

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(TITUS- Cont'd)

SUSTEHFKJJD, E I 5 1 ,

th*Oiai Paulr Hoirani Hlkiaaon, WiDdn.;

witb aliases: 'Tftadtner, ^ Z
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A BRIEF NARRATIVE OF DETELOHffiNTS. ' <SGO]

During February 1939 WJXLIAM SEBOLD, a naturalized American
*tizen, l e f t the United States and returned to bib p a r e n t s ' home in Germany,
to thereby improve h i s health which had been f a i l i n g .
Upon arrival in Germany, SEBOID was contacted by a plain-
clothes officer who briefly questioned himiixnit his occupational activities
in the United States, particularly with relation to his enployaent in air-
plane factories. Ibis man took doim his German address.

About July 1939 SEBOID was contacted by a man using the name
of ?3 GA5SKSH, who, after the use of threats, induced him to consider return-
ing to the United States as a German espionage agent. SEBOID Trent to the
Waited States Consulate at Cologne, Germany, and told them about his difficulty,
aad advised them that he would go through with the German request in order to
get safely out of Germany but desired to be met in the United States upon
arxiral by a Government representative, to whom he would give all the inform-
ation he then had.

Subsequently and before leaving Germany he was sent to Hamburg,

sher he received training in various methods of concealing and transmitting
information, such as making microphotographs of documents, encoding sessagss,
operating a telegraph key, etc.,

On the day of his departure from Hamburg, for the United States,
which was about January 26, 194-0, he was given the following names and addresses!
COLONEL FRITZ DUQUESNE, HERMAN LANG, LILLI STEIN, and EVERETT ROEDER, who he
was instructed to contact after arriving in New York. He was also given a
s#parate microphotograph for DUQUESNE, STEIN and ROEDER containing lists of
information that they were to obtain and forward to Germany. He also was given
a set of sicrophotographs for himself on which there was set out instructions
which he was to follow and information which he was to develop.

He was also given one thousand dollars, five hundred dollars of

Wfatieb was for himself and five hundred dollars to be paid to ROSDER. LANG
merely to be met, and a verbal message delivered, to him.

After arriving in the United States SEBOID was to contact some

radio operator and get him to instruct him in radio transmission and
if possible, induce this operator to transmit messages for him or he himself
ss 1*0 boy and eet up a radio transmission set for transmitting messages to
sad r*@ei?ing messages froa Germany.
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He was also provided nith a sailing address la China,

In South .America and in Portugal, to -which he was to address his
comanications which were intended for Germany.

He was told to join the National Guard in the United

States, if possible, in order to learn about the latest military equip-
aant. He was told that Germany already had the bomb sight.

He sailed from Genoa, Italy and arrived in the United States

on February 8, 1940, and was met by an agent of the United States State
Department and an agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. He
accompanied them to the Sew York Bureau Office, told his story and agreed
to cooperate with the Federal Bureau of Investigation and to carry on his
activities as a German espionage agent.

Following the instructions given to him in Germany, he met

DUQUESNE, LILLY STSIN, ROEDER and LANG, giving to each what he had f or
them. He continued to contact these people from tiae to time.

The Federal Burssi of Investigation, constructed a short wave

radio station on Long Island and Bureau agents were provided to operate
it, and, following instructions given to SEBOID in Germany, a contact
was made with the German short wave radio station which used the call
letters AOR on May 20, 1940 and the transmission of coded messages was
started on May 22, 1940.

The German authorities then directed ERWIN SIEGLER, a butcher,

on the S. S. "MANHATTAN", which was then plying between New York City and
Genoa, Italy, to contact WILLIAM SEBOLD.

As a result of using the radio to transmit messages to Germany

and the contacting of SIEGLEH and others who were introduced to him,
SEBOID met or learned of many other men who were carrying on German espion-
age activities, practically all of whom were naturalized American citizens.

The employees on the steamships who were met or learned of

usually acted in the capacity of couriers, some even collecting information
and turning it over to SEBOID for transmission to Germany by radio or by
other couriers, dose agents who irere not -working on steamships collected
information and turned it over to SEBOW for transmission to Germany,
either by radio or by courier.
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The German Government also sent aoney to SSBOTJ) either by-

courier or by cable or telegraphic transfer of funds which he was
instructed to pay his own espenses and from time to time pay other
agents. These same means -were used to pay various of the espionage agents.
German Government requested from time to time, either by
radio or cosssminication, various types of information, which requests
SEBOID was also instructed to give to the other agents who were contacting
him. Some of the information requested included the number of airplanes
manufactured, information on new developments in anti-aircraft guns, on
the construction and Methods of protecting United States shipyards, the
methods of traning and the number of men being trained in the Air Corps,
as well as the amount of military equipment being transferred from the
United States to England, information concerning the sailings and arrivals
of foreign and United States ships in United States harbors, etc.
The information developed as a result of these requests by
the various espionage agents and by SEBOID himself, when turned over to
SEBOID or before being sent by him to Germany, either in the form of
radio messages or by courier, was passed upon by representatives of the
War Department, the Navy Department and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
After having been sanctioned for transjaissiea, the information was sither
ceded for rsdic trsnssission cr sicrcphctcgrsphs rsrs issdc of it, or in
some cases the original documents or material was sent to Germany, either
by couriers on steamships, by a courier on a Clipper or by mail. In some
instances the same information would be sent by all of the various methods.
In December of 1940 SEBOLD rented and opened an office in Room
627, 152 West 42nd Street, Hew York City, under the guise of operating as
a Diesel Ekigineer. The Bureau rented adjacent offices, #628-629. A large
number of meetings between SEBOID and various German espionage agents have
taken place in his office. By use of an X-ray mirror, moving pictures
have been taken of those meetings and photographs made of the documents
turned over. Also, by the use of a microphone the conversations have
been monitored and recordings made thereof.
Bureau agents have witnessed one or more meetings between
WILLIAM SEBOLD and the other espionage agents which he has contacted,
with the exception of ALFRED BROKHOFF, who he recently met for the first
tisie and who then turned over to him material for transmission to Germany.
As of June 20, 1941, two hundred and ninety six (296) radioj/^ \
Messages have been sent through the Bureau radio station to Germany and '
one hundred and sixty fire (165) messages have been received. The names
of thirty of the listed subjects have been mentioned in one or more of
these messages, indicating knowledge on the part of the German authorities
with respect to these particular subjects.
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On about January 1, 1941 the Bureau radio station, through

instructions from Germany, cossaenced operating as a relay station for
messages from a station using the call letters of GBO located in Mexico
and the German radio station ADR. From breaking the code used in these
messages and decoding certain of the messages received for relay certain
known espionage agents operating in Mexico and from Mexico into the
United States hare been identified as connected idth the same espionage
organization.
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AHZTJ3GER , ', -A
(Also referred to as A* GERHGFF) '
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c/o Adr H* Peters 1

Commandit Gesellschaft ^~
Hamburg 8 ' ;. "
Stoeckelhoern 11> Germarrjr

ANZIECER is said to be in charge of the Marine Division

of the German Espionage System and has been active in enlisting the
services of seamen for the purpose of obtaining information and acting
as couriers for the German Espionage Service* Communications conceny-
ing naval and merchant marine information are addressed to ANZISGER
by the various espionage agents who are -working in the Marine Division
in the United States*

CAPTAIN ALFRED BA2ER

Germany

There are indications that'BAIEE has been an associate of

Subject DUQTJESNE*. It is believed that BAIER' has returned to Geiraany*
While in the United States he was a member of the Gentan Aviation Club,
which organization has been described by DUQUESNE as having been
organized solely for espionage purposes* In a radio comnunication be**
tween the Bureau radio station and the German station AOR, BASER nas
referred to as a reference for Subject HERMAN LANG*

This is a mail drop address which was furnished to WILLIAM

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SEBQtD in Germany

address to Germany.

(Whereabouts unknown*)

In a radio comnmni cation from the Germn station AORto

the Bureau^statign at Genterport, Long IslancLjHVima mentioned*
vdth one^HHHBas being dependable* This_r4lg_gggsage wasa r efor3 a i d
the tnformsSxonof the Subject PAUL FEHSB.flJHHHHHsV
to be two men coming to the United States front Germany for the purpose
of engaging in espionage a c t i v i t i e s , I ^ ^ s n o t been possible to asc*
certain the whereabouts nor to i d e n t i f y f ^ ( ^ i p to the present time.

JOHN GAE2ETT BEVELANUEE

c / o SS ALCOA PROSPECTOR
17 Battery Place
New York, New York
40 Monroe Street
New York, New York

EEVEIAHDERj .who is an American citizen born in the United

Statas, i s a very close friend of the Subject COHRADTii OTTO DOSuS*
From investigations conducted in this case, 3* i s believed that 'i.
BEVELANTJER i s familiar with DGED's activities as a German espionage
agent, and the possibility also exists thatflCTELANBERmight also be
engaged in espionage activities, although no definite evidence of this
has been developed up to the present time.
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^^_^_^Through a confidential source, i t was ascertained that

one m f l m ^ x n a a u n i c a t e d with DOLD and mentiongji^one^"B.
liavedtobeECTEIAJEER), with whom DCED b^d made
in Genoa, Italy* This conraunication requested DOJD' to induce
to make a report as soon as h V i s i n a position to do' so^ and
quested DCtLD t o furnish RBn t ^ H H P new address

MAX BLANK
Audubon Avenvie
New York, New York
Apartment 4G

MAX BLANK first appeared in this investigation when 1

was brought t o SEBOLDts o f f i c e i n t h e Newsweek B u i l d i n g , New York
C i t y , on March 2 1 , 1 9 4 1 , b y S u b j e c t PAUL FEHSE* BLANK i n d i c a t e d
that he has been engaged in espionage activities in the United States
since 1936. BLANK, in his conversation with SEBC333, referred to the
following individuals as being contacts?
bdrber on SS EXCAM3ICN)

The name ^ H ^ H H | P w a s furnished to WILXIAU SEBOLD

by Subject E5KIN SIEGtER as a maildroptised by Subject HE3URICH
CLAUSING in forwarding communications to Germany*
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AJJFHEO BRCKHOFF
326 *-60th Street
Vest New York, New Jersey

On June 26, 1940, during the course of a surveillance

by Bureau Agents of FRANZ JOSEPH STIGLER, it was observed that he
was joined by an individual later identified as ALFRED E BROKHQFF*
BRCKHOFF has been observed on numerous occasions since that time in
the company of STIGIER and FEHSE* Recently ERGKHQFF has met TSILLIAM
SEBQED4> In a number of conversations between SEBOID, FEHSE and STIGLER
BRO&HGFF has been mentioned and STIGLER has referred to BROKHQFF as
furnishing FEHSE with most of the shipping information which FEHSE
turns over to SEB0LD for transmittal to Germany. It is noted that
BROKHCFF is in a good position to obtain information in Hew Tork :
Harbor, since he is emoloyed by the United States lines a*
York City piers of that company.

This woman was mentioned in a radio message from the

German station AQR to the Bureau station at Centerport,, Long Island,
as being a possible contact for espionageaottoWies* This message
instructed DUQUESHE to contact t h e f l H H J H H H M A b o determine
whether she would be suitable for espionage^wan^^rrom the investiga**
tion conducted in t M s c a s e ^ t h e r e h a v e been no indications that BUQUESNE
has contacted tl

Boae

HEINRICH CIAIBING, in a conversation with SEBOLD in SEBOID's

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advised t h a t his mail drop i n South America

German

HEINRICH CLAUSING
64 Hudson Street
Hoboken, New Jersey

CLAUSING is presently employed as a vegetable cook on

the SS ARGENTINAj of the MoorewiMcConaack Lines, RLer 32, North River,
New York City* On August 7 1940, SIEGLER stated to SEBOLD that he
had Been "HENRI11 the day before, but that HENRI had failed to bring
cameras from South America* STJEGIER at this time identified HENRI
as being HEINRICH CLAIB3NG, who had sent information to Germany as
CARL0S* Gn the night of March 12, 1941, CLAUSING met SEBOID in
SEBOLD's office in the Newsweek Building, New York City, and furnished
SEBQID with the name of a mail drop in South America for the purpose
of forwarding information to Germany via. Italian Airlines to a mail
drop in Rome, Italy* On March 17, 1941, a radio message was sent from
the Bureau's radio station at Centerport, Long Island, to the German
station AGR, which stated that SEBOJJ) was sending information to Germany
through CLAUSING*

JOSEPHINE IE ANCEIES
201 ffest 54th Street, Apt. 2 A
New lork, New York
Business address -
Josephine i&llinery
823 7th Avenue
New York, New York

JOSEPHINE DE ANGEIES is said to be a friend of D'JQUESKE

and is alleged to have sent letters and "other material, including a
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gas mask to Germany for DTQTJESNB, via Cantania, Sicily. I t is be-

lieved that TJE ANGELES sent these communications and material by
means of the Italian boats between Hew York City and Italy prior to
the time Italy entered into the war*

mentioned by EEHSE to WILLIAM SEBOLD in

a conversation in SKBUU)Ts office in the NewsH|e^Building, Netr Tork
City, on February 19, 1941. FEHSE d e s c r i b e d ^ ^ U a s an individual who
had been suggested by the German authorities for use as a possible
radio oper a tor FEHSE, in his conversation, did not indicate thatf
had been approached, nor that he is working for the German Espionage
System.

f i r s t referred to i n this investigation

under the a radio message from station AOR in
Germany to the on at Centerport, Long Island, as the
person ufco " ~T SiEGEEH i a Idstfoa, jrbrtag&l,
f a i t h s purpose of to the tjnited States to be paid
to Genaan espionage apparently one of the principal
Genaan espionage representatives in Lisbon, "Portugal, and receives and
transmits espionage communications and materials to and from Germany*
There are also indications that he i s engaged in enlisting personnel
for the German Espionage System.
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CCNRADIN OTTO HOED

SS
American Export l i n e s
Pier "F"
J e r s e y C i t y , New J e r s e y

DQLD was f i r s t mentioned i n t h i s i n v e s t i g a t i o n a s an

i n d i v i d u a l who would c a r r y messages t o Germany f o r SEBQLD. He was
r e f e r r e d t o by ERUN SIEGJJSR* DQED has c a r r i e d espionage m a t e r i a l
from New l o r k t o Lisbon, P o r t u g a l , f o r SEBOID* PAUL IEHSE mentioned
t o sgBOrJD t h a t DQTD had brought a l e t t e r over from P o r t u g a l f o r him
and has a l s o d e l i v e r e d seven l e t t e r s r<xu Fortugal t c t h e German
Consulate i n New York C i t y . DCBD has contacted SEBQH) on a number
of occasions and has been i n SEBGID's o f f i c e i n t h e Newsweek B u i l d i n g ,
New York City* DOSED has been r e f e r r e d t o i n r a d i o messages between
German 3 t a t i o n AOR and t h e Bureau s t a t i o n i n Centerport, Long I s l a n d ,
as "DQLLI*.

EALPH CONGfyER DOOIEY

United States Lines
New York, New York

DOOIEI was former Executive Officer on t h e SS WASHINGTON

and t h e SS MANHATTAN of the United S t a t e s L i n e s . The German a u t h o r i t i e s
i n a r a d i o message from German s t a t i o n ACE t o t h e Bureau s t a t i o n a t
C e n t e r p o r t , Long I s l a n d , r e q u e s t e d SEBQLD t o obtain i n f o r m a t i o n about
DOCKET frost ERSIN SIEGEES^ SIEGDES furnished t h i s Information t o SEBQLD
and I t was transmitted t o German s t a t i o n ACE. r <, >
' V
ALBRECHT DOOGLAS . "
(See D r . DOUGLAS SAUERKANN)
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Germany

Mien MAX BLAHK first appeared at the office of "SSILLIAM

SEBOIS, Newsweek Building, New York City, on March 21, 1941, he stated
that he had been engaged in espionage activities since 1936 and that
was intro<
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^HH^p , Hburg**
nnn~TAtfli^^^ff!^^S^5Se^tha^^^5n5BS his espionage cost*
nrunications m t h Germany t h r o i

FREDERICK JOUBEKE DUQUESNE

24 West 76th S t r e e t
Heir York, New York

WILLIAM SEBGOLVD was i n s t r u c t e d i n Germany t o contact

DTXJTJESIJE upon h i s a r r i v a l i n t h e United S t a t e s and d e l i v e r c e r t a i n
i n s t r u c t i o n s and microphotographs t o him* I t was i n d i c a t e d t o SEBOLD
i n Germany t h a t he was t o work under t h e d i r e c t i o n of DTJJTJESHEj t h a t
DTJQUESNE has r e c e i v e d a g r e a t deal of p u b l i c i t y i n t h e p a s t as a
German espionage agent and he i s supposed t o have been engaged i n
espionage and sabotage a c t i v i t i e s since t h e time of t h e Boer War i n
South Africa* During t h e l a s t World War, DUQOESNE was a r r e s t e d f o r
murder i n connection w i t h t h e blowing up of English s h i p s and was held
a t t h e Bellevue Hospital P r i s o n Ward pending e x t r a d i t i o n t o England*
f r o a which p l a c e he escaped* He was subsequently l o c a t e d i n New York . ;
C i t y by t h e New Tork P o l i c e a number of y e a r s a f t e r w a r d s , b u t t h e
BngHffh authorities at that tiae did not desire to reaovahiatq >
England for tbB murder chargo# . \ '

DDQUESHE has been in contact with SEBQTD and. i s engaged

in espionage activities* DUQTJESBE undoubtedly has been active as a German,
espionage agent for a number of years and he appears t o have contacted
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a t times i n the past various German espionage a g e n t s w h o a r e present]

in Germany, such as NJCHQUS--ESIS1 ALFRED B A S E F ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

RICHARD EJCIENL&UB
162 Bast 85th S t r e e t
New York, New Tork

^ s - * b e - p r o p r i e t o r of THE LTTTIE CASINO r e s t a u r a n t ,

2o6 East "BSin^Si^edt, New York, Nssr Tcr!c# sad yms introduced t o PAUL
FEHSE by GEORG SCHTJrk ! FEHSE s t a t e d t o SEBCED t h a t EIDIENMUB had con-
t a c t s "who were i n possession of a radio transmitter which was used for
espionage work.

JHEIHB was observed Detroit a communication

addressed t o ^ p m 0 I t is believed tha !is a mail drop for the
German Espionage System*

HEINRIGH GAEL EIIERS

441 East 76th Street

ETIEBS i s the librarian on the SS AlffiRICA, of the United

States Lines, I t i s believed that he i s a courier for the German
Espionage System and -was probably active in this capacity a t the time
the Onited States Lines boats were operating between Europe and the
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United States. Subject EDMJND HEINE, of Detroit, addressed a package,

which contained technical information, to EILERS with the request that
i t be forwarded* I t i s noted that HEBE used the address of LILLY
STEIN as a return address on this package, indicating t h a t , in the
event the package was not delivered to EUERS, LILLY STEIN should
see to i t that i t was properly transmitted.

PAUL FEHSE

PAUL FEHSE is presently incarcerated in the United States

Penitentiary at Atlanta, Georgia, where he is serving a sentence of a
year and a day, having pled "guilty" to a violation of the Federal
Registration Act on April 1, 1941* FEHSE was returning to Germany
at the time he was questioned concerning his activities by Bureau
Agents, and he admitted writing a number of letters to Germany cor>*
cerning the movements of English ships in New York Harbor* In question*
ing him it was not indicated that the Bureau was aware of his espionage
activities and he is of the belief that the only information in the
possession of the Bureau concerning his activities in
to do with a letter which he mailed (
on April 19, 1940, which letter came to
of the Post Office authorities since it did not carry a stamp and was
turned over to the Bureau by the Post Office authorities because of its
contents*
SIEGIER and ST3DIER, in a conversation with SEBOID, Btated
that FEHSE was head of the Marine Division of the German Espionage
System in the United States* SIEGIER and STIGIER introduced FEHSE to
SEBOID* FEHSE has been furnishing a great deal of information to
SEBOID for transmission to Germany. This information principally
concerned the movement of English ships in How lork Harbor*. -FEHSE
has been a frequent callar at SEBCttD'a office in the Kewsweek Building.
New Xork City, and has been .mentioned frequently 3Ln radio cowmmications
between the Bureau radio station at Centerport, Long Island, and German .
station AOR.
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^JSS mentioned by PAUL JEH5E to SEBQID as being

in a positi&fi to obtain information at Hoboken, New Jersey, conce
the movement of ships in New York Harbor, FEIBE indicated that
had been furnishing him with infoimation.

I t i s believed t h a t ^ J H p i r a s the contact for the German

espionage agents who axe employedonthe United States Lines ships and
he was the contact in Genoa, Italy, prior to the time Italy entered,
the war* I t i s noted that Genoa, Italy, w as a port of call of the
United States Lines ships*
There are indications tha rammicated with
CQNRfiDIN OTTO VGI&, indicating that he was eaving Genoa, Italy, and
was assigned to a new territory in Vienna*

(Reported to be in England)

: : . An individual referred to by^iEZEHH i

in a conversation with WJLLI4M SSBOID on SepteBber 7 ^, xy4O# i s st5>poset
to be, according to 1E2EHEN, engaged as a German spy in England. This
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Individual, according to MBZENEN, introduced IBZENEN to|

Lisbon, Portugal.

(Reported to be in Lisbon, Portugal)

On September pned t oTOLXLIA1ISEBOED

that individual known an
Fin Lisbon, Portugal, an
propaganda*

DR* GASSNER
Hamburg, Germany

Dr GASSHER was one of the first officials o the German

Espionage System to contact WILLIAM SEBOLD in Germany and, through
implied threats, forced SEBQH) to agree to come to the United States
to act as a German espionage agent*

Hamburg, Germany

is said to
t o FRANZ STimB SJBSER indica___ ._
liarine Division of the German Espionage SyBtem
States in the past but is presently in Germany*
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Mexico

The German radio station sent a message to the Bureau

station at Centerport, Long Island, that the Bureautt station would be
letterses GBOB and referred
contactedbj^aradio station u s i n g t h ^ c a l l Jfessa
to tteflflHHflfl^station GBO a s f l H H V E from station GBO
to statSonAoRKcTfroin AO . R to statKnGBO have beea transmitted by
the Bureau station at Centerport, Long Is^and^^Cfl^^^d^unessages from
station GBO to station AOR was s i g n e d j f [ H | | m | m ^ | H | | H P r ^ Since
i t has been possible to decode some oftnemessageato and from GBO
and through bearings taken'by the F.C.C., i t i s known that station GBO
is located in Mexico, either in the vicinity of Mexico City cr Vers.
Cruz#) ;

Mexico City, Mexico

\pV-~ & radio message -was received from the German station ACR
to the Bureau station a t Centerport, Long JTalanoUstating that $5,000*
would be sent t o SEBOTJD from Uexcof/////f^K^K/KBk Through
prior arrangements, this money was cred^edto^SBXIB*saccount in a
New York City bank and the telegram transmitting this money waa from
the Banco De Mexico, SJU Mexico D.F*. dlrectjlng that &5.000.* be credited
to the account of WTTXT*M SEBOlDl

T. *-'!'? "fer, i-' -

-tT'-i

MAX BLANK, in a conversation with WILLIAM

office in the Newswaek Building, New York City, referred t
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b
as a person acquainted with spy work* flHHflHHr
1
^ en.a
contact of FEED KRSUTZE3STEIN, a Brazi \\m llWIipbel correspondent
of German nativity'who has been in New York and who has just recently
returned to Brazil. KHETJT2ENSTETJJ was referred to by the German
authorities as a possible espionage recruit. KREUTZENSTEIN has been
the subject of a separateijayestiifition by the Bureau for violation
of the Registration A c t * ( H H H H f c s also a subject in a Registration
Act case being investigated by the bureau in New York City #

GUSTAVE GRUTGEN

GRUTGEN is en$>loyed as Chief Steward on the SS MANHATTAN,

of the United States IAnes# As a result of the investigation conducted
into the activities of ESMOND C HEINE, it was learned that HEINE had
been in conmunication with GRUTGEN concerning the delivery of a package
for HEINE in Europe* It is believed that GRUTGEN has been active as a
courier for the German Espionage S ystem at the tiiae the United States
Lines boats were making the European run with Genoa, Italy, as a port
of call* Confidential information has been received from a confidential
source that

GECEG GOT

GEOBG GUT lives at the Klopstock Pension in Hamburg, Germany,

which is operated by his wife and which is apparently a headquarters for
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the individuals attending the German Espionage School i n Hamburg

"WILLIAM SEBOI23 l i v e d a t the KLopstock Pension in Hamburg a t the
time he tras attending the German Espionage School i n Hamburg*

MRS. GEORG GUT

Hamburg^ Germany

Mrs* OUT operates and lives at the ELopstook Pension in

KasibTirgj Germany, which i s a living place for the individuals attends
ing the German Espionage School in Hamburg, She evidently acts as a
go-between for the individuals living at her boarding house and the
officials of the German Espionage School at Hamburg, such as HUGO
SSBQED, Br*. RgNKEN, and other individuals with whom WILLIAM SEBQID
came in contact a t the tine he was attending this school* ULLIAM
SEBCLD states that while he was living at the ELopstock Pension, Mrs.
GOT seemed to be cognizant of his activities and the activities of
the other individuals who were also living a t this address* In
accordance with instructions received from the German authorities,
SEBCED, after arriving in the United States, sent a cable t o HUGO
SEBQtD i n care of the KLopstock Pension, in which SEBQLD advised that
everything was satisfactory*

(Believed t o be i n Germany)

loam Mentioned by IHY gTEIN i n a converse

^^m^Sg indicated MHIB
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65*1819

In a conversation with WILLIAM SEB<XD,

f i r s t referred to this individual, advising that ^ B U P
a vacation t r i p to Germany he ROEEER, "wrote to the German authorities
suggesting that they corxsidex|((((pa{^aj3rospect for a German
espionage agent in the United States* flJUHf^-5 arrested in Germany
and afforts were made to- induce him to become a German espionage agent
upon his return to the United s t a t e s . EQSDER stated thatj
J^j^ggd to become a spy, principally because ofj

EDMUND CARL HEINE

20 Poplar Park Avenue
Pleasant Ridge, Mich

HEINE first came to the attention of the Bureau in this

investigation as a result of letters -which were received by LILLY STEIN
signed, ^HEINRICH", bearing the postmark, Detroit, Michigan* STEIN
told WTLLTAM SEBOLD that she did not know the identity of the sender
of these letters but that they were undoubtedly intended for transmittal
to Germany. She turned ovBr a number of these letters to SEBOID so
that he could forward them to Germany for her* These letters contained
information concerning developments in the airplane industry along
national defense lines* HEINE has been identified as the writer of
these letters*
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65-1819

W. HETHEY
Van Breestraat 156
Amsterdam, Holland

A cable order transmitting |200# through the HoUandsche

Bank~Unie, N.V., Kantoor, Amsterdam, to The Chase National Bank of
New York City, to the order of T.TT.T.Y STEIN, carried the name W
HETHSX with the above address as the purchaser of this cable order.
This was a payment to STEIN for her espionage a c t i v i t i e s .

told WILLIAM SEBOID that he

and would endeavor to find out i f he was s t i l l engaged espionage
activities* I ^ ^ y ^ s3 o noted that HANS RITfElILhad_t:
possession. j P H H * supposed to be
of the German Aviation Club, New York C

A radio message from the German station MM to the Bureau

station at Long Island, for the information of PATH, nBHSE,
stated depehdahle FRAH2 StlQEER, in a conversation
with h ^ i new Qermah espionage agents,
indicated identical* As the result of
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TJD:JKB 18

65KL819

ation i t has been determined that n a i l received from

fromjHHp STIGES
UnitedStates through an i n d i s c r e t
t h a t he was operating for
to he living i n care

CAPTAIN RUDOLPH A. JAHH

(Believed t o be i n Germany)

Captain JAHN f i r s t came i n t o t h i s investigation when he

was referred t o by DTJQUESNE as being connected with the LUFTHANSA
and also a member of the German Flight Club* DUQUESNE s t a t e d t h a t
he used to know Captain JAHN and that the German Flight Club was
organized t o gather espionage information. DUQUESNE s t a t e d t h a t he
intends t o look up Captain JAHN*
The f i l e s of the Bureau r e f l e c t that a Captain RUDOLPH
A* JAHN i n New York in 1938 was the o f f i c i a l representative of t h e
LUFTHANSA AIR LINES SERVICE between Germany and the United States*
I t was also reported t h a t be returned to Germany when t h i s plan f e l l
through* He i s also reported t o be GCERING^ confidential man for
aviation espionage and for this purpose he was called back t o Germany.

FELIX JABNKE
563 CauldweXL Avenue, Apt*
Bronx, Neir York, New York

I ..VC?,.-:- -;-vI*HH$5.ia. rjaferred tft ^ JOSEF AOGUSj; XEB2H as arqeiw

agent and an expert code jaan*,- I t ' s noted thabKEEIN constructed a
radio transmitting and receiving s e t for JAHNKE and AXEL 1SHEEIER-HILL.
 TJD:JKB 19

As a result of investigation, JAHHXE has been observed on the docks

at New York City checking tdie arrival and departure of English ships.
He apparently desired to gather information of this type for the
purpose of forwarding i t to Germany* JAHHKE is also known to be
an associate of PAUL AL # SCHCffS and ASEL "WHEEmWIILL, the l a t t e r
living with JAHNKB* Through investigation, i t has been determined
that JAHNKE and 1FHEEIER-HILL have endeavored to use the radio trans**
raitter built for them by KDEIN, for the purpose of sending coded
messages*.

(Location unknown)

I is a name which was mentioned in a conversation

between LILLY STEIN and ELSE HE05TENFEID.
The nature of this conversation indicated that possibly
ht be engaged in espionage activities as a German agent
United States*
65^1819
1
1

EEMUKD HEINE mailed & letter to this addressandthis

letter is believed to concern espionage information. S H H I
probably a mail drop for the German espionage system.

Haw York City

ERWIN SIK3LER mentioned to WILLIAM

a man employed on a boat on the
_J>for PAUL KEBSE, but was actinia
rng Information on boats* Siegler stated tba Jp'ped working
because ha ma being folloned. It is iadividual re-
65-1819

JOSEF AtJ&UST KLEIN

22? &s% 126t& Street
Sew York. K.Y

KLEIN constructed a portable transmitting and receiving

radio set at his residence for AXEL WHEELER-KILL and FELIX JAHNKE.
Klein indicated at the time he was building this set that it was to
be used illegally in this country by German espionage agents. It is
believed that the arrangeaents for the building of this set -were made
by PAUL SCHOLZ and he probably put Uheeler-Hill and Jahnke in touch
with Klein*

HARTUG KLEISS
130 Eat 94th Street,
Key York. N.Y

He is presently employed as Chef aboard the S.S.

AMERICA. He was first mentioned in this case by STIGLER, -Mho stated
that he was a Berber of the German Espionage Marine Division, and that
he -would take messages across for transmittal to Germany. He has fur*
nished general information to WILLIAM SEBOLD by Stigler, Fehse, Strunck,
and personally. He has contacted Sebold and has visited his office. He
has been mentioned in communications -with Germany. It is not known that
he has received payment for his services.

He was mentioned in a conversation between ELSE lEUSTEN-

FELD and LILLY STEIN as being one of the members of the German espionage
system in Germany with whoa Stein is acquainted. His whereabouts is
not known but he is thought to be in Germany,

FRTffifiRXCK SRETJT2EHSY1TB " -'-" -

Investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in-
dicates this Individual left the United States about three weeks ago
for Brazil via Mexico; that he passed through Laredo, Texas, and was
travelling by m o i ^ m c l s ^ ^ e was the subject of a Bureau investigation
in the case o f ^ J ^ B ^ B T R A N S O C I M NEBS SERVICE; REGISTRATION ACT.
He was made a s u b j e c t i n t h ^ case because his name was mentioned la
Radio Message No. 62, received from Germany, which requested FREDERICK
DUQUESNE to contact him as he was O.K.
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HERMAN M B G
74*36 MM* Place,

He entered the case from the inception as WILLIAM

SEBOLD brought a message to him from Germany that he should return
there* He has furnished information to the German authorities ae to
the NORDEN BOMB SIGHT* furnishing it t# them whsn he was in Germany
on a trip in 1938* Lng has been in contact -with TSILLIAM SEBOID,
both at his home, and at Sebldts office on 4.2nd Street, New York City.
Lang has been mentioned in several radio messages, and has also been
mentioned in letters to Germany* The German authorities state that
they have deposited $3>000 to his credit in a German bank*

EVELYN CLAYTON LEJTIS

24 West 76th Street
New York, NY*

LESSIS enters the uonspiracy as s. very intimate contact

of FREDERICK JOUBERT PUQT7ESRE who lives Tvith her. She hae done some typ-
ing of espionage materials for Duquesne. She has never contacted TSIILIASi
SEBOID, has never been mentioned in any communication with Germany, and so
far as is known, has never received any money from the German authorities*
Conversations overheard show Lewis has knowledge of Duquesnets espionage
activities.

EEV. DH, JOHN MATHIESEN

316 Hamilton Avenue,
Trenton, New Jersey.

His came was given to SEBOLD by PAUL FEHSE, who described

MATHIBSEN as very pro-Nasi and a messenger for SCHUH, although Mathiesen
does not know or want to know for what purpose Sohuh is using hix.
Mathiesen has never contacted Sebold, is not mentioned in any communication
with Germany and, so far as is knom, has not received any money from the
German authorities*
;
".- , '. * M U MEIER* ..' '.', -,. .
^ - - .
MEIER is a contact-and paymaster for agents of th -
German Espionage System in Hamburg. He probably contacts courier* on boats
arriving at European ports and-transmits their corammications and materials'
on to the German authorities*

A
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Portugal
Sub ject ^m| leave any
material Mezenen brought from Aaerica with absence*
^ was in the same business

RENE MEZENQf,
36*40 Bourne S t r e e t ,
Flushing, L . I . H.I*,
Cambridge Court Apartments.

flight steward on the trans-Atlantic clippers,

entered the conspiracy when h me^rrTJ.TAy SEBQLD through FRANZ STIGLSi,
pursuant to instructions from ^ m ^ t t e z e n e n i s active as a courier of
espionage materials and messages and has reported the movements of ships
He has contacted SEBGLD at 3ebeld*s office* "vezenen has been mentioned in
letters and radio massages"to aai fross Germany* He has received money
from the German authorities.

This Is one of the nail drop addresses furnished WILLIAtf

SEBOLD in Qermacy through whoa to transmit coimunicatione to Germany.

____^ pj
a radio message received fres Oeraany on account ef alleged American ]e tter
censor*

presently i s Qeraajjy* Subject .

HKJJSIIGE (SORitJ) adrlBing her that
- ' STEEN in&tblted to W3LLIAM k
t o #300. Stela alse V
''V
conversations with SEBGLD*
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This individual i s the FRIEDRICH

KARL VON SCHLEBRUGGE, and the tiro are con the most
active German espionage agents operating in Mexico. Apartado (Post Office
Box) #1006, Mexico D*F, rented HLRL i s used
by both of these men i n receiving uses the cable
addressTOLCOin Mexico City and a l l ca essed as such are d e l i verg-
ed to P.O. Box #1006.

On April 7, 1941, t h e radio s t a t i o n operated i n connect-

ion frith t h i s case received a message from Station G,B,O. i n Mexico f<
relay t o ACR in Germany, i n whicl
should be sent t o !

K. PETERS
Cnmandit Gesellshaft
Stoeckelhoern 1 1 ,
Geneany.

Said t o be the mail drop i n Hamburg to

coranunications for the Marine Division of the German Espionage system are
sent for delivery to AMZHGER a l i a s Adolf Gerhoff*

Mail drop t o which PAUL FHBE seat inforuation on

For t r a n s K i t t a l to Germany.

i, P o r t u g a l .
fMm a a s e appears i a a cblgrasi f r o * t h e P
FRAJJGO-PCETUGATS, U s b o n , t o . the CHASE MTIOSIL BAKK i n Kfi* lerk d i r e c t i n g
$200 be paid t ^ LIUJSTBDJ aad to adTise hsr th*t | 8 0 0 woold f o r ' "

Lisbon, Portugal

'HHIP^laimed. was taking over his

Espionage activities^ He enlisted RENE KEZENEN into the Espionage System.
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CASL BEDPER
9062 Palisades Avenue
Hudson Heights. K..T.
REOTER was recommended to SEBOLD by FRANZ STIGLER as
an espionage agent* He has obtained aviation information and sent it
to Germany. He claims to hare a radio contact and to have no need of
Sabold's assistance* Reaper has contacted Sebold at his office and
has stated he receives money from the Gensan authorities for his ser-
vices.

is been mentioned as
10 could possibly be usedfor senamg espionage lnlorma-
tion. There i s no indication th&tflH^has erer r>en contacted^
though Stigler states that he calledat the hat shoj
without approaching him concerning espionage activities

} route to Germany .
-HANS RITTER entered the ease through his close contact
with ELSE WEUSTENFELD. Hans Ritter is the broteer of NDXOLAUS RIOTER,
one of the chiefs of the German espionage system in Hamburg. Hans
Bitter has been reported as-paymaster of the German espionage system
in Mexico. He is a contact of FREDERICK KJQUESfiE and LILLY STEIN. He
left America on January 8, 1941 for Japan.

tion from a confidential source in Mexico indi-

cates t
Pirns
Ito tteiibaum scaauss'Jr V&?
.tfayVmyg^ Genaagy
One of the leaders in Hamburg of the German espionage
s e r v i c e . As I B . RENKEN, he helped employ U l l i a m Sebold as a Geraan
agent. He i s a brother of Hans Ritter and i s known to several other
subjects under several a l i a s e s .
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EVERETT M. ROEDER
2L0 Smith Street
Merrick. Long Island. N.Y.

Roederts name -was given to William Sebold by HUGO

SEBOLD in Germany. According to admissions by Roeder to Sebold,
Roeder has been engaged in espionage activities since 193o Roeder
has obtained and forwarded to Germany & great deal of technical in-
formation pertaining largely to military aviation. Roeder has con-
tacted William Sebold at his office Roeder has been mentioned in
radio enramunications with Germany and by letter. He has received
money from the German author!ties for hie activities.

mentioned in a radio message from Ger-

over for WILLIAM SEBOLD.

j m in fact'
s been travelling on

5.,
65-0.819

He i s aflflH^^Bwhom* Germany advised i n a radio mes-

sage, Subject BCEEER^SCdcontact a t the HIPFON CLUB, 161 West
93rd S t r e e t , Hew York City* He was met by 1So^jg^^ a t
^ ^ ^
committal conversation, s a i d he wished t o s e e ^ ^ ^ " * "
Germany subsequently advised Roeder should not

HLs name was given to WILLIAM SEBCED by MAX BLANK as

acquainted w i t h spy work. He has not c o n t a c t e d m i l i a m Sebold nor
appeared a t his o f f i c e . He has not been mentioned i n any l e t t e r s
passed between Sebold and Germany. However, Blank r e q u e s t e d Sebold
t o a s k Germany i f he was 0K., i n d i c a t i n g t h a t he had c o n t a c t e d him
p r e v i o u s l y i n spy work. Germany subsequently advised Sebold v i a
r a d i o , M In no case may you expose y o u r s e l f hy new r-aesroiting* B e t t e r
hands off,"

MARTIN SCHATJE
583 Riverside D r i v e , New York C i t y
c/o N e i l s o n , or a t 3331 Broadway
New York C i t y

He was questioned i n the RULEICH case and Everett Roeder

has stated i t was Schade who induced him t o go to Germany i n 1936 and
become a spy*

PAUL AL W. SCHOLZ
335 East 133rd Street

He was i n s t r u m e n t a l i n a s s i s t i n g FELIX JAHNKE and AXEL

l?HEEIftHILL i n o b t a i n i n g a p o r t a b l e t r a n s m i t t i n g and r e c e i v i n g r a d i o
from JOSEF AUGUST KJJJTJI* KJJSIN c o n s t r u c t e d t h i s r a d i o equipment and
Scholz made arrangements f o r i t s d e l i v e r y t o Wheeler-Hill and Jahnke.
Scholz i s a l s o known t o be a c l o s e f r i e n d of CARL EEOTER and i s c o o *
t i n u a l l y i n contact.with tttta* .

EABOJD __
Last known address, Texas G r i l l ,
San Antonio, Texas r _
Schneider i s a Germar>4>orn naturalized c i t i z e n of the
United States who, with |?2BByBBSiCHKEIBER, may be a courier for Sub-
ject VON SCHIEBRUGGE and
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65-1819

^whereabouts are not knom. He uras mentioned by

1ETJSTEHF1U) in oonrersation with STEIN as her "contact" and gave the im-
pression that she contacted him concerning Stein's status with Germany.
SCHRETJBEB
SCHREIBER i s a German born naturalized citizen of the United
States and prior t o September,1940, was employed as a waiter on the SS MEXICO
of t h 4 Cuban mail s e r v i c e . I n f ^ n ^ ^ n indicates that he has contacted
subjects VON SCHLEBRUGGE a n d f l H | | V w h e n in port at Vera Cruz, Mexico.
At present he i s -working in M-fflLeruarage in San Antonio, Texas.

GEORG SCHUH
162 Maple Avenue, East Orange, N.J.
He first came to the attention of DUCASE when subject EAUL FEHSE
informedffXLLTAMSEBOIJD that SCHUH was a German agent who sends his report
direct tc the Gestapo in Hamburg- SCHUH visited the office of SEBOLD on
April 12, 1941, and had SEBOLD send a peport by radio to Germany for him.
FEHSE also advised that SCHTJH was the author of other comnunications
turned over to SEBOLD by FEBSE. He has not received any payment of moneys
through SEBOLD.

y 4m m p
^e is believed to have formerly the SS "Hansa"
and to have taken material to a m jermany prior to the arrival of
WILLIAM SEBOLD in this country. referred to several times in
communications is believed to b H i His present thereabouts
are unknoim, but he is believed rmany. He is not knq
WILLIAM SEBOLD. Subject BOEDER has stated t h a t he used to mee

This man i s an
City and a dose associate o
aad i * known " " "
nail t h r o Mexico C i t y .
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Mall drop address furnished wTLLIAM SEBOLD by Germany

by means of a letter* Communications to Germany have been sent
through this address.

He is presently employee it the LAUSTON

MONOTIPE MACHINE CO.. 24th and Locust, astrnrrin
sistingj
is a known contact of FRANZ ST1U.LEK and is believed to be one of the
sources froia which Stigler obtains part of his information to send to
Germany.
ERWIN wTLHELM SIEGLER,
Chief Butcher. S.S. AMERICA
He has no knoirn address on shore and resides on board
the ship when it is in port* Siegler directed a letter to WILLIAM
SEBOLD, resulting in their meeting on numerous occasions to carry on
espionage activities. Siegler has principally served as a messenger
for Sebold and other German agents, carrying information, materials
and funds. He also engaged in recruiting new agents and in obtaining
miscellaneous information for tran&sdttal to Germany. He has contacted
Sebold on numerous occasions and has visited his office. He has been
mentioned in a number of communications with Germany. He stated he
once received $10 "for expenses" but claimed to have refused additional
payment.
FRIEDKICH SOHS,
Germany
He returned to Geraany in 1939. Ha came into the case
by being mentioned in a radio message from Germany as being a person
who would be known to Subject HKEIUH LAMG, who wanted _some naaes of
persons he know r*dioed from Germany so that he ^ ^ i ioow^that he* - .
was pealing with the right people. "lMrt is no information available
indicating that SOflN has' conaiitted any overt acts, but he worked, for
the liAHUFACTURERS MACHINE & TOOL CO., INC. and may have furnished Ger-
many information as to the Norden bombsight. He has not been in con-
tact with William Sebold and there is no information that he has been
paid any money.
65-1819

HEINRICH SORAU
Hamborg, Qaraaay
8* trained WIIUAM SEBOLD in espionage activities in Germany
and gave his instructions and names of several espionage agents la the
United States to contact* He is also the iajoediate superior of LILLY
STEIN. Coasronications have been sent to and received from him.

aad
His name appears in a cablegram directed to the Irving Trust
Company of Hew York from Kol & Company of Amsterdam, Holland, reading
as follows:
"DEAR SIRSs
WE BEG TO HAHD YOU ENCLOSED CHECK ON
FOR |700 BY ORDER O F f l H H ^ ^ ^ I(AND FOR
ACCOUNT OF MR. tt.KOKDHtU ivlWJJLI ACKNOWLEDGE
RECEIPT.
YOURS TRULI,
(Signature Illegible) it

OSCAR RICHARD STABLER

20-41 lindea Street,
Brooklyn, Mew York
STABLER has been mentioned on numerous occasions by onfidential
informants as being an espionage agent when he was employed as a barber
aboard the S* "Srcambiea". He -was arrested by the British authorities
at Bersmda as an espionage suspect but was released* STIBLER was mention-
ed by VAX BLAHK as Blank's contact when he was actively engaged la espion-
age work* STABLER has coaasltted no overt acts that we are aware of*
STABLER baa not contacted SEBOLD nor has * been mentioned In messages
to' Qermaay and has not as far M W knew received any money*
 65-1819

.HETJTZ STABB
Apt. #53, 604 W. U Q St.,
Hew York City.
This individtaal, who i a musician, was brought to WILLIAM
SEBOLD's offioo on March 19, 1941 by PAUL FEHSE. He said that he has
good connections in the United States and wanted SEBOID to secure his
sister's name in Germany as a reference before he would have anything
to do with him. Due to his recent appearance no information has been
developed indicating definite espionage activity on his party.

- i
who operates
for German

lived at this
prior to leaving for the United States, m j j m
that she appeared to know about the actvities of the agents* This woman
has not been mentioned in any communications between Germany and the
United States. She is known to hare received payment for the room and
board of espionage agents residing at the Klopstock Pension - whether
or not she is receiving pay for other activities is not known.

LILLT STEIN
232 East 79 Street, Apt* 2-B,
Haw York City. ^_
She has been involved in the case from its inception since
SEBOLD was furnished with microphotographs for delivery to STEIN
when he was sent over to the United States by the German authorities.
Stein has faraishsd SEBOLD with some miscellaneous iaferMatlon for
tranwalssioo to Qermaay and has forwarded direct to Germany or through
SSBOUJ'sstveral lt%*rs containing technical informatioa ioritisn by
Subject EOdilD C* HEIHE using the alias HEJJRICfi. She has been in
contact with Sebold on sereral occasions but has never been in his
office. St is mentioned on several occasions in communication
with Germany, and has received money for-her activities from the
German authorities.
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FRAHZ STIGLER
23 lest TO Street*
Heir York City
He is presently employed aboard the S*S "America" as Chief
Baker. He was introduced to WILLIAM SEBOLD by ERWIN SIEGLE8* Be has
engaged in transmitting funds to SEBOLD, in recruiting new agents for
espionage work, in carrying messages for PAUL FfflSE and other German agents,
in furnishing information concerning the movements of ships and concern-
ing other Batters of interest to the German Government* He has contacted
SEBOLD on a number of occasions, but has not visited his office* He is
known to have had considerable amounts of money available for espionage
activities, but is not definitely known to have received money for personal
services. He has been mentioned in communications with Germany.

ERICH STRIDJCK
8017 Margaret Place,
Ridgewood, Brooklyn, Hew York*
c/o S.S. "Sibowj"
Pier F, Jersey City, N.J. /
EHSIN SIEGLER indicated that STRUHCK was a reliable trust-
worthy person employed by the American Export Lines who would carry messages
and material for WILLIAM SEBOLD. STHUNCK has carried bulky material, as
well as adcrophotographs supplied by numerous subjects in this case to
WILLIAM SEBOLD for delivery in Lisbon* STRUNCK has contacted SEBOLD on
numerous occasions at Columbus Circle and at Sebold's office* STRUNCK
has been mentioned in radio messages to Germany. STRUNCK received$5000 L3~CL
which was delivered by REHE MEZESEK,who obtained this money f r o m f ^ " 1 "
to SEBOLD with the message that this money was to be delivered to
and that it was a Christmas present from Hamburg*

(?), Germany
The only thing known sltovtaMBsT now is that he has signed
several radio messages addressed to SEBOLD, particularly those giving
congratulations for successfully contacting QBO.

3/A
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MIX BLAJ&, when ha f i r s t appears! at the office of WILLIAM

SEBOID, advised that hs^fd^tti&^^^^rorbra^rasssince 1936; that
he was introduced t o f l U H J U H H H H m i m r t h e SS* "Bremen",
with whom he dealt* SoTurther informationhas been received regarding
this individual to this date*

BARON JOHN HEINZ VON EXSSEHHARDT

Hotel fourteen,
U Eaet 60 Street, Mew Tfork City
His name was mentioned by Genaan authorities in radio message
#62 as being O.K. for FREDERICK BUQOESNE t o contact. He was not contacted
by DlftUESNE, and no information has been developed definitely showing e s -
pionage activities on his part.

VOH QONTARD
Denny Ko<d.
St Iot&Bj Missouri
He i s Vioe-President and Chief Engineer of the ANHEUSERr-BUSCH
EREHERT, S t . Iouis, Missouri. He f i r s t entered into this case when his
name was suggested by Gexmany as a person who should be contacted by
WILLIAM SEBOLD as he sight be developed into an espionage agent* WILLIAM
SEBOLD wrote Von Gontard a l e t t e r but has never r e c e i v e d a reply from him.
He has cownitted no overt a c t s , received no aoney n o r aade any contact
with WILLIAM SEBOLD.

FRIEHUCH KARL VON SCHLEBRUGGE

Calle Vallarta #14-B, Mexico City, D.F
Investigation obtained fron confidential sources in Mexico
indicate that the above i s one of the aost active and important Qeraan
espionage agents operating i a Mexido, and i s beliered to be la
of teat service* J&M closest associate
together they receive
Leo, 1^?# under the name

all residing in Mexico City, also appear

in Ueruan espionage activities and associated with KARL TON SCHLEBROGGE
in Mexico*
65-1819

On April 7, 1941 the radio station being operated in connec-

tion with this ease at Centerport, long Island, received a message from
Statior^gOfojr^rjlASL^^QT^sjQllflrji^Fo^^^ir^t^^jg^o^jir^^^
< S8
^^ )mmmJBmB^Bm!m^mVm1mmm^H^HH|HHHH^^^^^^^^^H|HJHPBHmVI
This Post Box being that of voH SCHLEERU(Ka2BPBB|((pow brings ths
within consideration of the instant investigation.

CAPTAIN VON WEGENER

Captain Von Tfegener was mentioned by STEIN inftconversation
with WEUSTENFELD as being someone known to STEIN as a member of the
German espionage system. He is thought to be in Germany.

LEO WAALEN
1530 Second Avenue,
New York City.
He is enployed by wuOD IACHT SASIK, 173-5 Marine Street*
City Island, New Tork, N.I. He entered this ease on July 1, 1940*through
a meeting of SEBOLD and Subjects STIGLER, SIEGLER and FEHSE, following
which STIGLER and FEHSE proceeded to WAALEN's home as listed above
and there contacted him. On October 23, 1940, through a previous latter
written by WAALEN to SEBOLD, introducing himself, SEBOLD met WAALEN
who gave to Sebold some material for transmittal to Germany. Numerous
other meets followed the above and on December 16, 1940 WAALEN met
SEBOLD in the latter*s offlee, discussing means on Waalen's part in
efforts to obtain information fros his employer through getting the
night watchman drunk* While WAALEN has discussed the fact that he
would be in a position to get more information if he ware furnished a
little expense money, etc., the files dose not reflect that actually
any funds have been received by WAALEK in connection with his operations*
WAALEN has been raentioned in communications to Germany via SEBOLD's radio*

ADOLF HENRI AUGUST WALISCHBWSKI

545 14 Street
Broaklya Hew York
Re is employed on the SS, TJBTJGTJAT, of the lfeore~XcDormack
lines, Pier 32, 8orth River, New %>rk City* On February 19, 1941 PAOX
FEHSE told SEBOLD that he had recoflanded WM2SCHEWSKI. To date there

33 A
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has been no contact between t h i s Subject and SEBOLD.

On June 24, 1940 SIEGLE& in complaining of the activities and
indifference of BOLD, told 3SB0ED that he had another contact through ,
who* he could get aateriaL across and named a XOWALSKI or SCSUSUkTSKI,
both phonetic spellings by SEBOLD, which individual was a bedroom fttward
on the S*S, "Washington". This latter incident appears to agree with
this WALISCHEWSKI's prior employment on that vessel as a bedroom steward.

One of the mail drop addresses furnished WILLIAM SEBOLD i n

Germany, through who to transmit written comnmications i d i g t e r i a l s #
Communications have been forwarded through this ^HBHHB
is an employee of the

From information coning out of Mexico i t appears tha

i s actively engaged i n German
vicinity* He carries
Mexico City, as well ^ ^ J | ^ J
pear to be a clearing houserorcorrespondence of an espionage nature
in Mexico*

'.UGGE and frequently contacts

other known German agents

^<BB^^ believed to have been enlisted by the German GjTern

oent some years ago to engage i n espionage a c t i v i t i e s i n this country. However,
he attempted to get his wife out ofGeTOan^and when she got to Italy
HARTWIO KLEISS, believing that ^ f l H H L l H c t u i * to this country
 10

65-1319

uld not participate in (ties, therefore, prevailed

return to Germany*
upoa the (toman authorities to bart
also been mentioned by PAUL FE3SE and ESUM SIRS*
u an espionage agent* HlKrlTG KLEISS has Indicated that a t f t p ^
has been unsuccessful in getting his wife out of Ctenany he has refused
to cooperate*
80 information i s available that this person has committed
any overt a c t s . He has not met SEBOLD and has not been mentioned in
communications with Germany end has not to our knowledge received any
Boney*

This indiTidual i s likewise believed to be

espionage aeiiri-fci*s in M
and he also frequency meets|
has also received mail throi

She was made a subject in this investigation as a result of

frequently visiting with LILLY. STEIH. Conversations heard over the d.cro-
phone indicate she has knowledge of STEIH's aotirities and on one occa-
sion assisted in encoding a coammication to be sent to Germany. No
other espionage activity on her part i s known*
ELSE lEUSTEHFELD
312 l e s t 81 Street
Heir York City.
She has booked passage on the S*S "Marques de CoadUa" leav-
ing New York April 25, 1941 for Spain./ A * i s mtds a subject in riew of
her conreraations with LILLY eonoerning Stein's espionage actiTity where-
in she encouraged and advised SfBIK, She aade inquiries coneerMng Stein's
status with Qermany and later advised Sfcein as to *hat she ijsarBid* She
has agreed to eontaet German authorities on Stein's behalf on her arrival
in Germany* _-___ . - _
The above conversations also indicate that she has herself
actively carried on espionage activities by acting as a mail drop* She
also sent to Germany an espionage communication for LILLY STEIN*
65-1819

AXEL TIHEELER-HILL,
563 Ckuldwell Avenue, Apt. F-6
Bronx. N.Y,t

He works at 17B f&verly Place, New York City. He is a

close associate of FELIX JAHNKE and at one time the name of Hill was
mentioned by PAUL FEHSE in talking -with Sebold, indicating that the
individual named Hill, referred to by Fehse, had to do with espionage
activities. Wheeler-Hill negotiated with JOSEF AUGUST KLEIN for the
construction of the radio receiving and transmitting set which Wheeler-
Hill and Jahnke presently have in their possession. He has also been
observed on the piers around New York City observing ship moveaents
and cargoes being placed on the various boats docked at these piers.
He appeared to be particularly interested in the English boats which
were loading. After making a surrey of the piers, he was observed
to mail a letter with a fictitious return address. This letter was
addressed

_^_^ ^ ^ * BARBIZON HOTEL FOE WDMEN,

located at Lexington Avenue and 63rd Street, New York City. He was
made a subject in this case as FRj^|TJ|Gj5
visit him. He is
who is also a known corft

PAUL HOWARD WILKIKSEN

33-38 Parsons Boulerard,
Flushing. Long Island, N.I.
MAX BLANK, while talking with WILLIAM SEBOLD at Sebold's
office in the Newsweek Building, New York City, mentioned, when speak-
ing of espionage agents, that a man named 1TLKINSEN, who was a Diesel
engineer, American-born, had been paid by Germany and was furnishing
technical information to Germany, obtaining this information through
the pretext that he was to use the information in publications of which
he would be the author. The Wilkinsen referred to by Blank is believed
to be identical with Paul Howard Wilkinsen. It appears that this Paul
Howard Wilkinsen made a survey at Langley Field, Virginia and in
England and France during 1939.
65-1819

Recordak photographs of checke deposited by ITXKINSEH

in his bank account disclosed that he has received large payments
from the JUHKERS AIRCRAFT CO. and the LAHOVA CORP., both of which are
German controlled corporations.

BERTRAM 1OLFGANG ZEHZINGER

623^ Venice Boulevard
Californla
Zenzinger is a British subject from the Union of South
Africa and has been in the United States on a visitor's permit. He
came into the investigation of this case as a result of Fran* Stigler's
being observed mailing him a letter and enclosing an invisible Tcriting
pencil.
Inasmuch as Zensinger was preparing to leave the United
States to return to South Africa, he was questioned by special agents
of the Los Angeles office at which time he admitted that he has been
sending information to Germany by invisible writing and that he has
been doing this upon the request of the German authorities. Zenzinger
entered a plea of guilty to violation of the Registration Act and has
been sentenced in Federal Court, Los Angeles to serve eighteen months
for this offense.

He is said by HEINRICH CLAUSING to be his mail drop in

South America and who forwards the communications by Italian airplane
to Germany.
 INDEX OF TESTIMONY ON WILLIAM SEBOLD

ABR&MS AIRCRAFT CORP. 258

326
AERONAUTICAL CORPORATION OF AMERICA 261
AGWILINES, INC. 534
AIR ASSOCIATES, INC. 417, 438
AIR CORPS. TECHNICAL SCHOOL 247
258
190, 193, 199
AXXLVA/WXIML/ *S\J x v i v o O \JX\JT 262
AIRCRAFT CORP. 258
AKRON AIRCRAFT, INC. 261, 262
ALABAMA DRYDOCK & SHIPBUILDING CO. 593, 606
ALBINA ENGINE & MACHINE WORKS, INC. 533, 6I4
^ ^ ^ S T E A M S H I P LINE 558, 610, 611, 612, 654
631, 635
K*]C-- "AjLLmT^HD HEAVM TOO" 19, 32, 95 -, "m, 252
HHsflBsT (Sebold c/o) 101, 161, 174> 178
ALLIED AVIATION CORP. 262
ALLISON ENGINEERING CO. 172, 247, 263, 269, 283, 336, 512, 586
AMERICAN AIRCRAFT CO. 258, 263
AMERICAN BLACK CHAMBER 564
AMERICAN CAR & FOUNDRY CO. 409, 464, 614
AMERICAN CONSULATE 6, 7, 8
AMERICAN EXPORT LINES, INC. 233, 611, 612, 667, 682
AMERICAN EXPRESS LINE 676
AMERICAN PETROLEUM TRANSPORT CORP. 613
AMmiCAN PIONEER LINE 653
AMERICAN PRESIDENT LIME 600, 665
AMERICAN SHIP BUILDING CO. 464, 573, 654
AMERICAN-SOUTH AFRICAN LINE, INC. 542, 657, 694
AMERICAN SPONGE RUBBER CO. 563
AMHERST PLANT 323 7

AMTOSG TRADING CORP. 149 t

ANGLO-SAXON PETROLEUM CO., LTD. 612, 667 %
;
ANZIBGER ( G e r h o f f ) 137, 141, 202, 203, 207, 228, 229, 371,
443, 463, 484, 495, 496, 505, 507, 519,
524, 526, 529, 531, 550, 556, 558, 559, j
569, 578, 579, 581, 592, 596, .597, 608, H
.
\ " - , " " . ;
610, 613, 619, 648, 654, 658, 660, 663,
664, 666, 636, 688, 683, 689, 694, 695.
i/D
y ^ J S I A T I C F E T R O L S S CORP. 612
ASSOCIATED SHIPBUILDERS 464
ASTA (Counter Espionage System) 142
ATLANTIC COAST SHELL GASOLINE CO. 533
 ATLANTIC REFINING CO. 682
AUFZUG (SEE FRANZ STIGLER)
AUSULNDS DEOTSCHE OROANIZATION 500
AVI&TIQN MANUFACTURING GORP. 172
BABCOCK AIRCRAFT CORP, 260
BANCO DE MEXICO, S . i t ! 435
BARKLEX GROW AIRCRAFT CORP. 164,258
BARON LINE 599
BARBER STEAMSHIP LIKE 599
BASALT ROCK CO. 553, 614
BATH IRON WORKS 669, 670, 694
BAYER, (CAPT.) (or Beyer) 88, 93, 106, 467
534
;* 47, 55, 61, 67, 69, 75, 76, 87, 91,
95, 169, 175, 251, 252, 287, 293, 297,
304, 308, 321, 361
534
290, 294, 450
BEECH AIRCRAFT CORF. 164, 1^2, 222, 253, 260
184. 186, 187
BELL AIRCRAFT CORP. 21, 23, 164, 172, 220, 222, 260, 407,
E LABORATORIES 247, 299
563, 609
AIRCRAFT CORP. 172. 222. 2
(S
430, ..
X AVIATION CORP. 166, 438
BENNETT AIRCRAFT> INC. 258
509
BERMUTH LEMBBCKE CO., INC. 612, 667
BETHL1HM FAIEFIELD SHIPYARD 598, 606
BETHLEHM STEEL CO. 464, 574, 598, 606, 654, 669, 670, 671,
672, 688, 683
BIRCHFIELD BOILER CO., INC. 665
BIACK DIAMOND STEAMSHIP LINES 573
BUNK, MAX 622, 633, 637, 644, 646, 647, 648, 654,
661, 664, 668, 687

L BLOCKS H . <BE.)
JBLUE FDI3KSL LIKE
BTiTE STAB L33SK * ~ .
BOEING MSXmSt 00 v
BOOTH STEAMSHIP' LINES
327
5P4
511
20, 23, 26, 172, 217, 220, 222, 260, 323
,1

511 ' ' ' . .',

BORG 1NARNEE CORP. 165
BOSCH, E . (SEE PAUL FffiSE) .
BOWMANN MOLDED AIRPLANE CO. 275
 SESfELL 599
518, 684
B K E S m AERONAUTICAL CORP. 172, 220, 222, 259
BROKHOJT, ALFEED E . 3 U , 345, 382, 333, 390, 465, 494, 526,
661, 668, 677, 630, 682, 683, 684, 691
(SEE PAUL FSHSE)
620, 622, 633
611
420, 422, 530, 647
BUDD, E W . G . - MFG 275
, .2it
611, 649
BUREAJJ OF MARINE INSPECTION & 691
NAVIGATION 258
BTTMELLY AIRCRAFT CORP.
BUTLER, BALDBIK, INC. 199
611
608
CALIFORNIA SHIPBUILDING CO. 534, 597, 606
CALIFORNIA TEXAS OIL CO., LTD. 657
CALUMET SHIPYARD & DRIDOCK CO. 665
CANADIAN CAR & FOUNDRY CO. 323
CANADIAN PACIFIC STEAMSHIP CO. 511
CARLOS (SEE HEEimiCH CLAUSING)
(SEE E. M. ROEDSR)
619
CESSNA AIRCRAFT CO. 260
3EHLTH, CLARENCE D. CO. 258
649
CHARLESTON SULPBUiLDING & D.D. CO. 679
CHASE NATIONAL BANK 60, 74, 98, 414, 415, 416, 435
CHMICAL iAUAUENT IMDUSTRIES 20, 25
CHBJICAL WARFARE SERVICE 20, 25
CHORCHILL, mSTON 336, 514, 519, 525, 530, 531, 543, 546,
579, 596, 619
CLAN LIHB 571
CLARK AXRB6I?.CaaP, 261, 275
CLAUSING, HEUsRICH 300, 458, 497, 504, 518, 521, 522, 569,
577, 586, 604, 609, 610, 618, 619, 632,
636, 640, 6 a , 646, $$2, 661 ,.
COLABEE STEAMSHIP CO. 649 >
COLLIER AIRCRAFT CO. 258
COLTS MANUFACTURING CO. ' 512 .
COMMERCIAL IRON WORKS
CONSOLIDATED AIRCRAFT COBP. 464
1, 4, 58, 172, 220, 222, 260
CONSOLIDATED SHIPBUILDING CORP. 409, 553, 614
GONSOLiQJATEP STES3L CORP. LTD. 532, 574, 614
, MOKES CORP. 264
561, 609
682
CHAMPS SHIPBOIIDING CO. 653, 689, 672
533
146
LINE 610, 611, 653
CULVER AIRCRAFT CORP. 258
CURLINGS DIESEL ENGINE CO. 534
CUNAED WHITE STAR LINE 511, 648
CUMINGHAM-HALL AIRCRAFT CORP. 258
CURTISS-WRIGHT CORP. 20, 23, 26, 165, 171, 172, 217, 220, 222,
260, 266, 337, 351, 470, 587
DEFOS BOAT & MOTOR WORKS 409, 532, 553
DEHAVILAM3 AIRCRAFT 324
611
D! PLANT 365
15- 169
DEUTSCHEE LUFTHANSA 88) 98, 10b, 119, 467
snoan A i r l a n e s )
577
557
205, 207, 210, 211, 239, 253, 254, 293,
298, 300, 301, 302, 327, 344,345, 348,
351, 352, 353, 353, 359,362, 363, 365,
366, 386, 387, 400, 405, 406, 414, 415,
416, 424, 426, 430, 436, 440, 442, 455,
472, 473, 474, 486, 489, 490, 499, 500,
501, 515, 527, 537, 544, 576, 577, 578,
609, 660, 662, 666, 634, 685
DOIE, CONKAB1N OTTO 170, 130, 196, 197, 202, 242, 254, 279,
280, 332, 338, 340, 3a, 342, 344, 345,
349, 368, 370, 371, 372, 373, 390, 399,
472, 496, 499, 500, 501, 502, 510, 528,
537, 577, 578, 581, 660, 662
DONAIJ3SOH BROS. & BLACK LINE 521
im&ztfm o. 517, 518, ,519, 522, 545 ,
20, 23, 26, 172, 220,>223i
DOUGUS AIECRAFT C O . , I S C . 240, 309, 317, 374, 538,545 '
DRESDENER BANK 646, 654 - .
 BTJBUQUE BOAT & BOILER WBXS
DUISBDRGER HOF
DUKE OF WINDSOR
DUNN
DUPONT MAGAZINE
DUPOST PLANT
DUCJJESNE, FKEDERICK
DURAMOLD AIRCRAFT
EAGLE BAR & GRILL
EASTERN STEAMSHIP LINES, INC.
CO.
b"lC/
ETCHENIAUB
(Iron or Hardware Supply)
ELCO BOAT WORKS
ELECTRIC BOAT CO.
ELECTRIC TSATEE LIGHT CO.1
"ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING'
2
491
(SEE TJDQTJESNE)
412, 439
401, 407, 444, 562,
14, 1 6 , 1 9 , 38, 3 9 ,
50, 5 1 , 52, 53, 60,
7 3 , 7 6 , 7 7 , 8 5 , 86,
102, 103, 104, 105,
118, 119, 120, 1 2 1 ,
129, 130, 139, 1 4 3 ,
153, 154, 157, 159,
175, 176, 177, 180,
207, 209, 2 1 1 , 2 1 3 ,
235, 236, 243, 244,
257, 267, 263, 269,
299, 302, 303, 306,
315, 3 2 1 , 32S, 330,
3 7 1 , 373, 383, 395,
403, 405, 409, 410,
417, 419, 420, 422,
438, 439, 440, U 3 ,
457, 4 6 I , 466, 467,
475, 476, 486, 501,
562, 563, 564, 565,
664, 675, 676, 690
274
136, 138
611, 612, 667
502
184
569, 536, 595, 597, 610, 619,638, 642,
659, 68?
321, 335
607
573, 614, 672, 673
470 ,
237
609
4 5 , &, 47, 4 8 , 4 9 ,
68, 6 9 , 70, 7 1 , 7 2 ,
87, 88, 89, 90, 9 9 ,
106, 112, 1 1 3 , 116,
123, 126, 127, 128,
144, 145, 147, 152,
1 6 1 , 163, 169, 174,
1 8 1 , 200, 204, 205,
2 3 1 , 232, 233, 234,
249, 250, 2 5 1 , 253,
280, 281, 288, 296,
307, 308, 309, 310,
354, 357, 359, 364,
396, 400, 4 0 1 , 402,
4 1 1 , 412, 413, 416,
423, 425, 426, 4 3 2 ,
4 4 4 , 445, 447, 455,
468, 470, 471, 474,
502, 528, 554, 561,
580, 609, 640, 647,
;
j
ELLSWORTH, J. C. (Spec. Agt.) 37, 39, 40, 43, 46, 54, 5$, 63, 30,
84, 91, 101, 111, 114, 130, 132, 145,
146, 143, 149, 150, 151, 153, 157, 158,
162, 163, 168, 169, 177, 179, 182, 186,
194, 198, 200, 203, 204, 211, 226, 228,
229, 232, 233, 238, 239, 24I, 243, 246,
251, 255, 267, 268, 269, 270, 278, 279,
281, 284, 285, 287, 283, 289, 296, 297,
302, 304, 305, 307, 315, 317, 320, 321,
325, 329, 333, 334, 338, 339, 345, 34S,
360, 367, 368, 371, 372, 373, 376, 377,
379, 380, 388, 391, 394, 395, 396, 400,
404, 405, 407, 410, 412, 413, 414, 415,
416, 417, 419, 420, 421, 422, 424, 426,
429,431, 432, 434, 440, 441, 444, 447,
455, 457, 459, 46O, 46I, 474, 478, 482,
485, 486, 488, 493, 499, 503, 504, 514,
517, 521,527, 530, 531, 536, 540, 541,
545, 546, 549, 550, 566, 568, 575, 576,
584, 585A,6O1, 609, 616, 617, 633, 634,
635, 636, 640,644, 651, 652, 654, 659,
665, 6bb, 676, 680. 681, 683, 685, 689,
690

ELSE (SEE ELSE YnSUSTENFELD)

ENGINEERING & RESEARCH CORP. 261
ERIE RAlffiQAD FERRY 175
ESTINGER 507
ESVAL, 0 . E . 237
"EVERETT" 139
FAIRBANKS MORSE CO. 6I4
FAIRCHILD AIRCRAFT CORP. 172, 223, 259, 323, 414, 418, 583
SPINNING & OPERATING CO. 613
418
French Pur.Coma.) 190
190
500
FEDERAL AIRCRAFT CORP. 258
FEDERAL C0MMTJHICATIOHS COMMISSION 84, 86, 92, 93
FEDERAL SHIPBUILDING & DRXDOCK CO. 457, 573, 597, 598, 606, 654, 669, 671,
688, 689

6
FEHSE, PAUL (FINK) 197, 202, 2 0 3 , 206, 207, 208, 209, 226,
228, 229, 230, 232, 238, 2 4 1 , 242, 243,
244, 245, 254, 256, 278, 279, 284, 286,
237, 289, 290, 294, 295, 300, 3 3 1 , 344, 345,
350, 354, 360, 363, 368, 3 7 1 , 3 8 1 , 382,
383, 334, 388, 389, 390, 416, 433, 448,
449, 450, 451, 465, 475, 477, 478, 481,
484, 486, 488, 439, 492, 494, 495, 496,
497, 498, 499, 504, 505, 510, 512, 513,
517, 513,519, 520, 521, 522, 523, 524,
526, 527, 529, 530, 531, 533, 535, 536,
537, 540, 541, 542, 543, 544, 546, 549,
550, 554, 555, 556, 557, 558,559, 561,
566, 568, 569, 570, 572, 573, 574, 575, 576,
577, 578, 579, 581, 582, 585, 585B, 586,
596, 597, 600, 603, 604, 607, 608, 609,
610, 612, 613, 614, 61$, 616, 617,
619, 620, 632, 633, 634, 635, 636, 613,
638, 640, 642, 643, 644, 646, 648, 637,
6t>2, 654, 656. 658, 659, 660, 6 6 1 , 651,
663,
664, 666, 663, 674, 6v7, 678, 680,
681,
682, 683, 684, 686, 688, 689, 691',
694,
695
3E. PAUL (MRS.) 691
^Connected w i t h Lufthansa)
(SEE WOOD YACHT BASIN)
543, 544, 577, 586, 595
(SEE PAUL FS1SE)
354
341
FISHER BODY WORKS 409
414, 425, 427, 429, 473, 493, 494, 499,
5O4A,531, 536, 540, 541, 545, 580, 581,
582, 618, 620, 64O, 676
FLEET AIRCRAFT, LTD. 323
120, 259
683
247
ELTNN, WMGE H. CORP.
657
FOEKER ATJRPLMJE CO* 44/97
FOREIGN RELATIONS DEPARTMENT 496
(Nazi Headquarters)
FORTUNE l&GaZIHE 331, 446
323,
8
 611
352
353
FRANK* ""&
H I ( S p e c . Agt.)
FREEDOM, I N C . 469
FREEPORT POINT SHIPYARD, I N C . 614
FRENCH CLUB 74, 76
FRENCH PURCHASING COMMISSION 153, 154, 190, 191, 199, 203
PUNCH, EIDE CO.
237
599
FURNESS WITHY & CO. 599
GADLEI (MAJOR) 564
HHBB 343
323, 360
GASSNER (DR.) 2, 3 , 4, 5, 8
GENERAL ELECTRIC CO. 21, 24
GENERAL ENGINEERING & DRIDOCK CO. 552
GENERAL MOTORS CORP* I64, 239, 317, 512, 514, 518, 562, 572,
609
GENERAL TRANSATLANTIC^ CO.

nffljUAP'iP
OfcjinUrr (SEE ANZIEGER)
m

1
vGERMAN->AMERICAN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE
346, 358, 363
12S
r
467
448, 495
GIBBS & COOK (SEE GIBBS & COX)
GIBBS & COX 347, 551
GIBBS GAS ENGINE CO. 542, 679
oiMyj^^^^^^^ (SEE ANZIEGER)
^^HIHIHHHHI (Phone ti c) 141
459, 494, 681, 683, 690
184, 520, 540
176, 191
257*
m ^ p p ^ ^ ^ ~ - -
311
(SEE EDI VON GONTARD)

558*, 599, 612, 665

SEEAT LAKES AIRCRAFT CORP. 260
GREAT LAKES DREDGE & DOCK CO. 657
*-' GREENPORT BASIN & CONSTRUCTION C O . 679

8
GRIEBL. IGMA.T2 (DR.) 64, 79, 94, 106, 446
37, a
226, 240, 241, 309
647, 646
GSOTQN IRON WORKS SHIP YARDS 533
GULF SHIPBUILDING CORP. 613, 670
GRUMMAN ENGINEERING CORP. 49, 58, 63, 81, 82, 89, 93, 96, 108, 121,
125, 149, 164, 172, 220, 223, 260, 286,
414, 418, 434, 446, 454, 584
GUT', GEORG 18, 148, 177
GUT, GEORGE (MRS.) 17, 18
GWINN AIRCAR CO.. INC. 259
642, 643, 65I
65, aio
596
620, 622, 637
MLL-ALUMINUM AIRCRAFT CORP. 223, 259
319
176
IURG-SOUTH AMERICAN S . S . CO.
STANDARD PROPELLER PLANT 165
CO. 533-
L, 44, 59, 0-42, 167, 2 a , 320, 539, 644
jOIUBOAT. BUILDING CO. 679
420
(SEE HARTWIG KLEISS)
HARDT, LEON ( D R . ) (SEE NICHOLAS RITTER)
HARLOW ENGINEERING CORP. 259
HARRINGTON & RICHARDSON ARMS CO. 492, 503
or FRANK (SEE NICHOLAS RITTER)
511, 648
192
(JR.) 9
ESPIONAGE LAW 20
596
119 .
"HAWKINS ELECTRIGAL GUIDE" 19 '

HEIDELBERG RESTAURANT
HEINE, EDMUND C. 200, 209, 215, 219, 221, 225, 257, 261,
266, 273, 275, 276, 277, 283, 297, 299,
311, 314, 322
RICHARD (SEE HARTWIG KLEISS)
622, 633
(SEE CARL REUPER)
526, 581
479
TRIES, INC. 574, 679
326
 BILTEBRAN 667
468
HITLER, ADOLPH I 8 4 , 4 9 1 , 5 2 0 , 540, 630
HOCKABAX AIRCRAFT CORP. 259
HOFF, 0 . (SEE ANZIEGER)
HOFFMAN. JOHANNA 64, 79
286, 290, 294
HOLDER ( o r HOLDEN) (SEE MEL WHEELER*HILL)
HOLLAND AMERICAN LIME 10
:OLLAJffijrUG_& BARGE CO., LTD. 531 .
\5&>&1> S3, 454
533
305, 311, 318
335
HOTELS:
HOTEL ALCORN 191
HOTEL ALRAE 319
HOTEL AMEOS MUNDOS AAQ
ASTUK HOTEL 106, 191
HOTEL BKlTTAKIA
HOTEL DUOS NACOES
137 436, 442
H0T3L GOVERNOR CLINTON 353,
197, 242, 254, 279, 338, 340, 341, 343,
HAMPSHIRE HOUSE HOTEL 370, 372, 499, 500
HANDELSHOF HOTEL
61
HOTEL HELVETIA
5, 6, 11
MANHATTAN TOWERS HOTEL
163
MARTINIQUE HOTEL
415
HOTEL MONOPOLE
-421
HOTEL NATIONAL 5
HOTEL PIERRE 591
PLAZA HOTEL 335
ROOSEVELT HOTEL 319
SAVOY HOTEL 563
SAVOY PLAZA HOTEL 12
HOTEL SHAftSBUBI 648
H0T2L STEIM '
509
H0UTJ3ES BkOS. & CO., LTD.
HOULDER LIKE 519
HOUSTON SHIPBUILDING CO. 648 597, 606
HOWARD AIRCRAFT CORP. 511 261
> 535,
I64,
259
678

10
 500
PHOTOCRPHI 502
SHIPBUILDING COMPANY 653, 694
IN1S3RHATI0NAL IELBGEIAPH & fELEPIIOKE
CCttPANY 19, 22, 25
ISTHMIAN STEMSEIP LINE 558, 600
ITALIA!! AIR U.N5S 497
JACKSONVILLE SHIPBUILDING CORP. 678
JACOB, P.OBERT INCORPORATED 409, 573, 667, 6S3
JACOBS AIRCRAFT ENGINE COMPANY
JAM, RUDOLPH A.
264
M 467
572
JENSEN AIRCRAFT CORPOPATION 594
JO
JOHN
258
JOffi-I ( C a p t . ) (S?c Ev.cuesne)
l * of War) 453
( Sp f i c* A p t . ) (See Rudolph A. Jahn)
JOURNAL OF THE AERONAUTICAL S
213
U6
551
KAMCEISER. EDSfAPJD A. 349
U 9 , 150
311
681
KA!0E SON fi: COMPANY LINE 511, 648
KELLBTT AUTOGTP.C CORPORATION 223, 25S
ICEffl^EIff, JOSEPH P . 438
KENNEDY MANUFACTURING COKPAHI 123
IffiER UM 599
KINGS FE6TURE SYNDICATE 449
KIMMER MO1!CRS 264 ,
p C U . S. Str.tc Dspt.) O9
KLEISS, HARTCEG 202, 245, 290, 295, 331, 332, 342,
346, 348, 351, 358, 363, 472, 505,
507, 508, 510, 514, 520, 528, 559,
591, 592, 594, 595, 663, 680, 685
KLQPSTOCK PENSION 10, 13, U 16, 17, IS, 36, 98, 131,
136, 137, 169, 170, 207
FRIT2 (See Erich Strunck)
of Navy)' 507, 5i$ 529, 530 ,
356, 373
(See Walischewski)
543
[STEIN, FRED 420,-530, 647
(Mme.)
191

11
 KDHM. I R I T Z 52
KULDKUNBIS SHIPPING COMPANY 6U .1
KOPPSR'AIRCRAFT ENTERPRISE 258
KU1Z ( K u n a ) , HEINBICH (See Heinrich Sorau,) 'a

LA GO OIL TRANSPORT C O . , LTD.

LAIRD AIRPLANE COMPANY, E M.
612,
258
683 I
\ LAKE SUPERIOR SHIPBUILDING COMPANY. 679
1 LAKE WASHINGTON SHIPYARDS 542, 679
1 LAMPORT d HOLT, LBT.ITED 511
\ LANG, HERMLN 14, IL5, 16, 62, 77, 78, 79, 83 , 9 1 ,
113, 153, 154, 155, 159 184,
185, 186, 187, 194, 226 , ->>i> 239,
240, 241, 296, 303, 308 , 309, 310,
317, 373, 374, 375, 376 , 379, 406,
457, 499, 531, 536, 537 > 538,
540, 545, 550, 591, 601 , 602, 603
553
"LAWRENCE W - ' U I K E E R I I J C CQI.CPA.MY 164, 166
LENAPE AIRCRAFT MOTORS, INCORPORATED 2bt>
M LEONHARDT ( D r ) (See Nicholas Ritter)
W\P igis^Ejgyn^LAYTOK 234
11, :13
LION TUTTLES CORPORATION 572
"LITTLE CASINO" 619, 638
LOCKHEED, ALLEN H. - AERO I N D . COUP. 258
LOCKHEED AIRCRAFT CORPORATION 4, 20, 23, 26, I64, 172 , 220, 260,
332, 351, 407, 411
LONG (See Herman Lang)
Mi
LOBF.T.F.I RESTAUPANT
601, 602
681
1 LOUISIANA SHIPBUILDING COMPANY 606
I
\
LUCKENBACH, J . L . STEAMSHIP COMPANY
LUJJERS MARINE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY
525, 573, 579
409 <
\ LTJFTFAHRTMINISTERIUM ( A i r M i n i s t r y 603
j
\\ HidBiilHss?
LUSCOIfBE AIRPLANE CORPORA TIOK
21
261
564
\ LXG3QSTO H&H0FACTSRINQ COMPANY. 264, 266 .
\ LZKES BROTHERS STEAMSHIP COMPANY 598,- 599
LTJttH, JOSEPH 247 -

,
iScsBBBffiRIC
B H AUSBURG 513
186
-
.'." f
>.aDRIGAL & COMPANY 534, 649

12
 r (See b!aersk Moellcr)
191
614, 674
577
MA^fflSxr^Sr^^TRuSTCCICPARI 74
MARITIME C OMISSION 501
MAftTHl. C|LEN{'L,--|,|fiEPPP Afn ' n ^ 20, 23, 24v, 26, 115, 172, 223 , 259, 481
319, 320, 325, 326, 335
60, 522
MARntKD TJRYDOCK COMPANY 542
MASSACHUSETTS INSTITUTE OF
TECHNOLOGY 411
MATHIESEN ( P a s t o r ) 596
KATHIS, JOIffi H . COMPANY 614
MA.TSOW NAVTrATTON COMPANY 552
237
1ATTSON LI1IE 597
MAX (See Rene Mezenen)
MF 213
(See Capt.. Bayer)
D l L ' MC DONBLL AIRCRAFT CORPORATION 253
573
HOSIER ( H r ) 18, 98, 99, 169
MENASCO MANOPACTORINO COI'PMTI 265
MERCHANT & MINERS TRANSPORTATION CO. 610
iffiRCORY AIRCRAFT COMPANY, I N C . 258
MERIT PRINTING COMPANY 70, 85, 213
METZCER (See Errrin Siegler)
(See Erwin Siegler)
MEYERS AIRCRAFT COLTANY 258
MSZENEN, mm 327, 344, 345, 34C, 351, 352, 353,
358, 360, 362, 363, 365, 366, 367,
369, 375, 387, 392, 396, 399, 400,
402, 407, 413, 4U, 415, 416, 425,
426, 441, 442, 443, 455, 461, 490,
491, 499, 527, 530, 537, 586
MIAMI SHIPSTJILDIHG CCKPANI 409
MILITARY AIRCRAFT CORPORA.TIOM 258
\ inUES. (Wssistaer c / o ) 290
I KELLER, AIRCRAFT CORPORATION 258
258
1
1 '^/K//t//K/t/m'"-'- - - 494, 581
\ VINrTEFORD YACKT YARD 572
I "MAT*VT ^"D TVttl^ t? V KV\ 447, 474
379 -
1 5 , . 315

13
 ; 69, 76, 87, 91, 0 ^ > 315,
321, 379
558, 572
MOJEAN & ERICSON SHIPBUILDING CO. 657
MONOCOUPE CORPORATION 258, 265
MOORS DRY DOCK COMPANY 573, 667
MOORE - MC COHKACK LINE 532, 556, 558, 573, 612, 665, 667
KORASCO RESTAURANT 353
MORGAN LINE 532
MORGANS 236, 2U3
MOSS, E. &. COMPANY 534
MOSS, H. E. & COMPANY, LTD. 534, 542, 551, 606, 612, 649
MOSS HTITCHINSON LINE 511, 648
i.H7
MUNARGO Li: 610, 612
NATIONAL GUARD 15
NATIONAL AERONAUTICS COUNCIL,. INC. 447, 474, 676
NATIONAL 5TSEL CAP. COMPANY
NAU&E AIRCRAFT CORPORATION 253
NAVAL AIRCRAFT FACTORY '
172
563
563 507, 508, 515
294,
456, 573, 667
fORK & CUBA STEAMSHIP CO. 573
1$M YORK SHIPBUILDING CORPORATION 670, 671, 672, 687, 688, 6P9
NEW ZEALAND SHIPPING COMPANY, LTD. 648
NEWPORT NEWS SHIPBUILDING L ERYDXK
COMPANY 532, 534, 597, 600, 657, 670, 671,
672, 687, 688, 689
NIPPON CLUB 385
NOOKDUYN AVIATION, LTD. 323
NORDSK, CARL L. CC*ffANY 83, 182, 184, 185, 186, 308, 309,
375, 537, 603
438
14, 79, 253
271
HCRTH ABfflSICAJ? AVIATION, INC.
KCRTH AMERICAN NAVIGAHON CORP. 20, 23, 26, 172, 223, 259
MC2$H O J ^ O L I N J V SHIPBITILDING CO. 599 606
534,
NQR2S SHORE PAPER COMPANY 649
NORTHROP AIRCRAFT, BTCCEPORATED .*
NORTOTJTLY & COUPtNT.
172, 258, 260
599
558,.572
 130
OIL BURSTER -CONBIOL 53
OLKTOOD, INCORPORAffiD 612
ONG AffiCRAFT COEPORiLTION 259
OREGON SHIPBUILDING COMPANY 534, 597, 606
"OUT OF THE NIGHT"
543
PACER AIRCRAFT COMPANY 259
PACIFIC BRIDGE COMPANY 574
PACIFIC CAR & FOUNDRY COMPANY 574
PACIFIC DRYDOCK &. REPAIR COMPANY 574
THE PAMPHLETB5E" 177
PAN AMERICAN AIRWAYS 188
PAN ATLANTIC CORPORATION 611
190
191, 257
6, 7
191, 192, 210, 231
259
622
'.63
39
448, 463, 581, 597
563
EETROEBDM SHIPPING COMPANY, LTD. 607, 649, 683
PHILLIPS AVIATION COMPANY 224, 259
PIPER AIRCRAFT COHPORATIOII
261
127, 144, 149
POUCE PRESIDIUM ON GLOGKENSIEHSER 649
16
POFJLAR AVIATION MAGAZINE 209
PORTERFIEID AIRCRAFT CORPORATION 261
PORTORICO LINE 612
flH (Montreal) 20, 22, 25
POUND^HTHUR 425
PRATT SL T7HITMSI 20, 23, 26, 164, 172, 266, 456,
561, 585

15
 / I^^^HIpPSpec. Agt, ) 148, 151, 153,154, 158, 163, 177,
194, 204, 211,229, 232, 238, 239,
241, 243, 244,246, 251, 256, 269,
278, 281, 282,284, 285,
296, 302, 315,317, 320, 325, 329,
334, 338, 339,345, 350, 367, 368,
371, 372, 373,376, 377, 379, 380,
/ 391, 395, 396,404, 405, 407, 410,
412, 413, 414,416, 417, 419, 420,
425, 427, 429,430, 431, 432, 433,
1 440, 441, 447,455, 457, 459, 460,
461, 474, 478,432, 485, 486, 487,
483, 493, 494,499, 503, 504, 514,
517, 521, 527,530, C' ^O T , 536, 540,
541, 545, 546,549, 550, 566, 568,
575, 576, 584,585A , 601, 609, 616,
617, 633, 634,635, 636, 640, 644,
651, 652, 654,659, 665, 666, 676,
681, 689, 690
PRICE. IT. T. DREDGING CORPORATION 611
<
"PUBLIC RELATIONS BUREAU
144, 149
463
PUWP ENGINEERING SERVICE CORP, 165
. FJSEI & JONES CORPORATION 613, 694
D "~S " 5 1 J I C K ACHON NAVIGATING CArl.HA" 502

R. C. A. 24
75
HHUBHsW 254, 301
RADIO KEITH ORPHEUM CORPORATION 311, 359
RADIO OPERATOR'S MANUAL 21
RADIO TELEVISION MAGAZINE 67
RANGER ENGINEERING CORPORATION 265
^^JTZAU^^____ -- ^ BBBBBBBB ^^_^ B ^^ (See Nicholas Ritter)
603
MHH^ICHSS^^^^^ (See Nicholas Ritter)
REA1SILK HOSIERY MILLS 92, 95, 96, 101, 108, 118, 120
RSfiEWTJR AIRCRAFT & EN GENE, I N C . 259
IM THK BBOTON OF BILLIONS OF CYCLES" 502
535
467
HEHINGTQN AMS ,CO?PAJ!T .. - 512 - - .

RENKEN ( D r . ) (See Nicholas Ritter)

REPUBLIC AVIATION CORPORATION 115, 172,-221, 224, 260, 414, 584

16
REUPER, CARL ( K e u b n e r ) 290, 331,, 346, 360, 390, 392, 437,
441, 443, 448, 4 5 1 , 452, 453, 520,
526, 568, 570, 619, 637

fronctic) 577
J
3. - AIRPLANE COMPANY 259
RICHARDS
KTCHAR] AlITI-PEST DIET 282, 289
202, 208, 286, 290, 294, 3 3 1 ,
390, 520, 556, 557

RIBS HAT STORE 557

"RINER WATER LIGHT" 501
R I U E R , HAN 6J^Xl.8.^.19O, 209, ,5&>J&L
HITTER, NICHOLS 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, 18, 28, 39,
55, 59, 62, 64, 78, 79, BO, 98, 109,
113, 125, 153, 155, 185, 226, 235,
295, 337, 374, 467, 538, 539, 603

liQDSIKG TJRY DOCK COMPANY 290, 694, 678, 683

ROBERTSOF CURTISS WRIGHT 261
ROBIK LINE 555, 606, 633
ROEEER, E . M 14, 15, 16, 19, 22, 37, 38, 54, 55, 56,
57, 58, 6 1 , 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 76, 8 1 ,
82, &3t 84, 92, 93, 94, 101, 108, 109, 107,
110, 111, 121, 123, 124, 125, 126, 127,
128, 130, 142, 143, 145, 147, 148, 149,
150, 151, 160, 161, 167, 180, 181, 182,
183, 194, 195, 198, 203, 205, 209, 212,
213, 236, 237, 239, 246, 247, 253, 269,
270, 271, 286, 287, 288, 299, 317, 318,
322, 323, 324, 329, 330, 336, 337, 339,
340, 345, 349, 350, 351, 352, 355, 356,
357, 358, 361, 365, 367, 369, 370, 371,
372, 373, 376, 377, 379, 330, 381, 384,
385, 387, 391, 397, 398, 411, 418, 424,
425, 427, 429, 433, 434, 438, 440, 442,
446, 454, 455, 461, 473, 486, 4S7, 493,
546, 580, 583, 640, 685, 690

612. * " . .
,T (Pres,) - 449, 514, 529, 530, 534 $:'

170, 175, 177, 190, 292

AEROPLANE & MOTOR COMPANY. 259
4 , 5.
292, '326

1
 236, 243
ROIAL EXCHANGE ASSURANCE CO. 559
ROTA1 MAIL LINE 511, 643
CORPORATION 612, 613
2%
$y 304, 319
94, 446
CORPORATION 172, 221, 224, 259
291, 295, 322, 346

SAGUNAX TERMINALS, LTD. 611, 657

ST. LOUIS AIRCRAFT CORPORATTOf! 224, 259
ST. MARY'S HOSPITAL 6
SAN JUAN SHIPPING COMPANY 534
SANEEL ( o r S a b e r s ) , JWIPMAN
(Capt. Sandel) (See Heinrich Sorau)
SANDERS (See Heinrich Sorau)
iNDHOUSE. A. 327
377, 380, 381, 335, 391, 397, 580
647, 654
94. 446
294
(See Adolph Henry August ^slischewski)
500
601
3CHNEII 98
SOHUH, GEOP.G 596, 619, 658, 661, 668, 677, 683,
685, 686, 687, 691
685
272
, HUBERT 529, 607
SEAS SHIPPING COMPANY. 599, 611, 657
3HIPEUIIDING CO. 534, 551
SEBO1D, HUGO (See Heinrich Sorau)
SECURITIES SERVICE COKPAJIY 103, 152, 310, 311, 328, 357, 359,
364, 395, 401
616
616 .
\2&>\J&i P"T\5fr'59r&5>137, U 3 , 144,
155, 180, 181, 198, 362, 395, ^867 408,
432, 445, 458,,517, 519, 580, 676
"ACTURING COHPA1-7I 657 _
5 3 4 -
SHELL OIL CCMEUIT 613' " ^ "
SHIFFliANHi a . 327
SHIPBUILDING & DRIBOCK COMPANY 551, 607

18
 t

SKIPS:

AAGTEKERK 656
.ViROK \&ZD 669
i^n-H HE6D 6 5 4 , 669
ACiiTJlA 667
IJJL 656
.iDELLEF 554, 560, 5 7 5 ,
547
547, 566 :
COMET 694 ;
U.TEOR 694 '
Irtt: PiAN&T 694
.kGIOS GiJhfilC IV 547, 566
iiGKITA 416, 4 3 0 , 433
i-HAEO 547, 566
I.IDINA. ALD&FOY 560, 5S5
A K E I A ITT " 649
670, 688
632, 652
672
672
671
JiL3i2iT L. LLLbV.DRTH 615, 6 4 5 , 6 6 8 , 681
hJjCOk FnTHtTKDER 610 ;'
ilLCOA PaiRIOT 654 I
iJJZQL PILGRIM 654 i
^LCOil PIOKEER 654, 667
ALCOik PROSPECTOR 667 i
idJOOk PURITJtkN 654 I
AiuaoKD 547, 560, 584 j
LIBER 532, 693 . ;
*kLIiERPOOL 604, 635 ;
iilEXDRa HOSGH 615, 645
ALGOftQUIK 235, 6 0 7 , 6 4 9 , 683 |
iiXiTfci'Ul JJiNhsQi'j 535 " i
AfcAZOKE ' 5 8 3 , 6 1 5 , 6 1 8 , 6 3 9 , 6 4 5 , 660
M1BERJACK 6 7 2 : .'
kMERXGk ' 1 4 1 , 202," 242, 254, 287, 289, 290,
: 320,342,377,389,390,424,436,
437, 458,4S4 , 482, 483, 487, 506,
507, 515, 520, 528, 529, 532, 612,
675, 634 - ... - - . r. . _.

19
 #

SKIPSj * Continued
A}..:ERI.-AN BUIICER 653
53
AfcKRIC&K LEADER 653
A1JPJ0AN LEGION 532, 612
AIJLRI &! lAfcUFaCTURER 653
ijJ.i-uRICM PACKEK 653
AjiJ-JcICAK PilESS 653
M.ICI I I 649
424
Al LEK 654, 669
AZFLTCO 533, 617
671, 689
618
i'u.DRV7 LE 692
673
559 :
6
493, 521, 530
T. 656
?TCW CITY 615, 645
670
iiRHJSJiiK P R I K C E 6 0 4 , 635
iJtAGOK 5 8 9 , 6 1 6 , 656
ARCAD3A 692
ARGENTII& 518 \
AR0O 616 ;
ARGOK 6 1 2 , 6 1 5 , 645 '
ARGOS HILL 6 3 8 , 659 I
ARIZDlik 559
ARKAi'iSAS 4 8 3 , 487 !
ARLIS 693 1
ARTEMIS 511,:648 . i
ARUBA 604, 635
AS^JAHIA 693
ASCOKUT 5 5 5 , 575
iJiCUPOT 655
ASIRI 549
ASKILD, 588, 617
ASKDT 655
ASTREk 589, 616, 639, 660
ASIRI - - 588, 617 - -
ATLbJKD 249
ATIAhTA 551, 6 7 1 , 688

20
SHIPS: - Continued
ATMOTIC 477, 478, 486, 488, 632, 652
ATHELVIKING 650
JLTLEKA 560
JUKI 554, 560, 575, 584
AURORA 598
639
AVALON 692
AXLEC 692
615, 632, 645, 652
JSACCI 649
BM3HE 669
BiillEI 669
463, 475
512, 547
632, 650
bkLIA 639
JikLKIS 605, 636
EaLTD.iOh 611, 671, 689
669
BaKGU 648
E4KGUS 511
672
673
B4ET0iv 669
BkYiiED 615, 639, 645, 660
BkYDU 533
BBME 669
Bi-ATTY 654, 669
248, 279
BELJJi D. ESH4KBUG 615, 645
BE3X 511, 648
456, 510
BELLERkPPON 416, 430, 433
BEKCaS 639, 660
BBKKBTTj
6 6^
610
4 ' ; " ' ' " : / - ' '

511,

2t
SHIPS; - Continued

639
BBTii-NOURIil 660
672
672, 689
BIUJXI
416, A30, 133, 588, 618
573
BIACK COKDOR 534, 640
53^, 573
BIACK ilkOLa 673
BIACK FALCOK 534, 573
JSLtCKKISH 534
BLkCK (iULL 463, 475, 485, 488, 573
BIACK Hk\li 573
BIACK :-;ERON
573
BLaCK oSPitM
660
BLLCK TERN
435, 433
BLbbl'TbH 673
LLUEGILL 673
BLUE 692
BOIIA 656
588, 618
671, 688
BONEFISH 673
BONITA. 692
671
DJSTQiX CITY
631, 651
651
504,
492
BOIB
EOILE 670
EPADBXK 669
456, 510,
670
ERAGELASD 656
ERkSTkGI 561, 571, 585,.535b
BRkZIL 588, 618, 655
300
SKIPS: - C o n t i n u e d

673
ZREDIK 5 6 0 , 525
BREEZBi' THRU 692
EiW-nm 127, 143, 130, 445, 646, 654
ERKIZERTOIv 456
BRISTOL 552, 669
BRISTOL CITY 65O
HKITalikil 588, 618
DRITAAHIC 227, 232, 547, 599
LKITISH FRIKCE 583
BRITISH VLLOUE 632, 65I
iSROfcU 670
BR0WKSON . 669
BRUKSV.TCK 655
BUCCANEER - 693
BUGFAI^N 669
BUSSTEH . 5S3, 610
BUFFALO 671
BUNKLR HILL 671, 688
BUSH 654, 669
CABOT 671, 6B8
CMiBRXa. 236, 243
CAlvADIAN CRUISER 594
CAPE OOD 683
CiiPE LAY 610
CA.PE SAN HMTH: 598
CiiPIRA 685
CaPITAM. 692
CAPPS 613, 670
CAiffiRONIA. 599
CARD1NA. 587, 617
CMmiTk. 554, 560, 575, 584, 588, 616
CABMONk 587, 617
583
617
C4ST0R 588, 618, 653
615, 645 . '"'.-.
: 673 "
CEUM . 599
CERDi'THTJS 6 0 4 , 635
CERO ' 673 . '


SHIP8i - Continued
CHHidPLklK 153, 154, 176, 190, 199
CHai/JPLDi 669
CHidtKtiTTE 669
CfiaTEkU THIiiiffiY 464, 678
CHLLSE&. 551
CKLSTHR 0 . a ^ H - ; 683
ClffiVAUER 670
CHL'YE^E 671
CHIHA STAR 598
CHuCTOlS 612
CHRISTIAN HOIM 651, 655
ClbS 571, 585B
CITY OF CALCUTTA 549
CITY OF CiiPiTOsa-J 560, 585
CITY 'JF IJiuLHI 631, 651
CITY OF EDINBURGH ,' 560, 585, 604, 635
CITY OF GLASGOW 638, 650, 659
CITY OF KELXUHG 638, 659
CITY OF LOS Ai^iGLLLS 542
CITY OF 5Ml HDIiO 481
CIAIRTOK 456, 510
CliiRE LILLY 668, 681
CLQPATT& 692
CIEVEIAMD 671, 638
CLIEl'Jik. 477
CLIFFORD 611
CLIONA. 478
C0AG4N 512
COBIA 673
QQCUBMi 547, 566
COCKAFOKbET 456
COCl'M'SE 606
COOORaK) 649
GOD 673
COIABEE. 615, 645, 649
OOIDRAIIDikK 640
COLUMBXft: '' -; ' ' 639, 671, 689
OCHiliiBI&. E X P R E S S . " 656
OOIIMBUS 671
SHIPS: - G o n t i r m e d

GOlikJICSrIE 612
573
COLOL CUBk 640
COirriER 669
COlibECO 692
COr.TE SkVOlK 153, 159
COKTiiiT 692
COi:VERS 670
COkYkY 670
COLT 670
CORONET
542, t S94
CORSteJR 692
CQEV3M 673
COTATY 5 1 1 , 64S
CO'tTELL 670
CPiavPOTID LLLI5 Dpu >-*- :>

ChlSPIN 243,
673
CKUSaDBH 532
CRIJlvSSIii 632, 652
645
CURIA 639
CUIcLHv 692

DaCS 673
JJiiLLIi-Ju'lOw COURT 477, 478,
l&LV 668, 681
DaLI 669
Oi-JOr 693
D/Jffi&KUS
632, 651
673
DkVID Ki. T M 613, 670
I4YTOK 671
668, 681
D. LDUhltD JiiE* A 566
o70 232, 248, 278
DELFTJJYK 227,
492, 523r 537, 579 :
-6$e-f-'-
'y'Qft, :.;;;:
DEKVEE
DLS iDIKES 671
1, 197 _
UICHS^DEE 692
DIXIE 606
D. L. HARPER 638;, 659
DOCTOR BRffiHEY 693

25
SHIPS: - Continued

DGGW3QD 679
DOtPHBf I I 693
LOLIKO 615, 540, 645
JjjNALD lie KM 532, 694
KHIAX 554, 560, 575, 534
DGrADJ 673
DDRuTHlA 523, 537
DRIFTViJOB 693
DElil 673
DTJIA 667
615, t>45
558
DULUTK 671
CTJKCAJ: 669
LV:-SILJ 655
u;.TCH Blii-PO- 503
iASTERi: GUIDE 598
iikSTrM-: STAR 632, 652
670
604, 635
611
EEG3FIELD 456, 510
551, 573
KD1-.-AF. 693
EEEUND E . iiLLXAi-iDER 464
547
EGEV2A 694
LGOPHOCLLb 534
512
E . H . BLlli 682
ELIE 605,, 636
ELCO TORPJiDO 669
EIDElik 657
611., 693
692 660
ELINK -- 571 , 585b,.639,
ELIZ15STH ' " 163, 360, 371
ELI^HErrK KHIDGG $80, 617
EXI2S0N - 552
552,, 6bV
669
EL VALLS 611
615, 645 *
SHIPS: - Continued
655
650
SCONS 670
EMPIRE 604, 635
ELiPIRE ATTSNDkliT 655
EKPIRE CARIBOU 588, 616
EMPIRE FJIKWUIK 477, 478, 485, 438
EMPIRE SEAL 638, 659
EMPIRE SKSJv 668, 681
3NTR0PY 692
ERICUS 588, 617
ZPJCSON 551, 654
iSSEX 671, 688
BSS3 BELGIUM 605, 636, 655
LSS) aOtlVkR 605, 635
ESS) C0Fi3%THkGEN 5 8 7 , 617
LTTRICKMtiK 655
LuGB2*lIa CHki^LHIS 656
632
652
ETJREK&. 4 1 7 , 4 3 0 , 433
VAHb 6 1 3 , 670
SLYK R I I 693
svim 547, 566
EXCAJLIBUR ' 681
EXCA3.':BI0K 1 7 0 , 2 2 8 , 3 3 3 , 3 4 2 , 5 0 0 , 510, 647
KXEcuna 600, 633
EXEHESTER 598
EL3mk 5 3 3 , 617
EXILONA 6 0 0 , 633
EXIRIa 5 8 8 , 6 1 7 , 682
EXliOOR 611
EXDCHORDA. 293, 297, 302, 304, 327, 366, 388, 491
EXPORTER 615, 645 .
EXTOH 615, 645
. 668 , , ' ' .
' 615/?645 -', . - .
. 669
FikRGO - - ' ' 671 . - - -
FaVOPJT 6 3 5 , 656
Fi.70P.ITE 605
F . D. tu}SxAV-;OD 655
FIT?: IX 588
SHIPS; - Continued
YElilk 656
FiLRGIEN 549
FLKi 547, 566
FERI ! CiiSTLS 571, 535a
571, 585a
416, 430, 433
ITGRit 549, 617
FlKSiCK 673
FITCK 464, 669
L-'UT-A 6S1
673
FLETCHER 552, 669
FLIUi 673
pT T.' ni 671, 689
jm, 616; 668. 6S1
537, 617'
J'LJU-DZR 673
riYB;GFI 673
FOOTS 670
464, 669
FORT AL: HURST 456, 548, 566, 639, 660
FORT OF FRkKCi 559
F'ORT HUNTER 560, 535
K)I;T H3I4L 538, 617, 651
FORT TOTViJbKwD 543, 566
FPAKKLJJJ 671, 683
FIlED M3RRIS 598
693
FREJA 549
FRISCO 615, 645
FliOKTSiiiiC 668, 681
615, 645
FUUAK 464, 669
G. 481
GkBIIAN 673
G&XVESTOK 672
492, 504
GAR 672 -
Xki'vRltE 615, 645,. .656
GA.TO 672
GH2;1A 481
GiiORGr 373, 4B3, 487, 532

28
 - Continued
GiiORCIS 17 571,
GzJRGJC 547, 554, 5 5 5 , 560, 5&6, 5 7 5 , 599
miRjiSSJJMS V)LR"JVns 587, 617
GERVA 616
GLZEIA 533, 618
GJcSUL KING 632, 651
i-IPSU: HiJJ-iCb 668, 631
GLORIA. 549, 5 ^ 7 , 617
GOPH-JCLLo 555, 5oO, 575
G-R.-j.-PUS 672
GR^YBKGK; 573, 672
GRiiYLIKG 673
GRL-ENLIL^ 672
GRLI& 656
673

GR0.IR 672
GRUl-JIDr. 672
GUtdMJJuPz, 632, 652
GUMI 672
GUiJIDFISH 672
GULST 464, 669
GUttlfiJ! 533
GUBaBii 511, 648
GlilFPEKN 538, 617
GIMJEL 673
GUNtiER 692
GlliDERSEM 615, 639,
GUNiME 547, 566
GUPJ-ARD 673
GYPSY 692
HaCKBERRY 654
i 656
673
673
HBOTOT 612
HAJMIRITER-. 632'
673
692
HaLIBUT 673
669
692
SHIPSi - Continued

VAWK 683, 693

}HxUJiX& 5 5 2 , 669
HaJvCOCK 6 7 1 , 683
iudit> LGLDI: 6 0 5 , 636
iLiwSa. 84, 94, 350,
669
di.G 639, 660
HARDEN 587, 617
n^KDER 673
693
615, 645
HkVORN 6 3 9 , 656
HaMuI 672
M".VL4TTAN PACKER ' 597

Hak^IIAN SHIPPiJt 597

IL'iZSBvOOD 6 5 4 , 669
HEE 599, 616
HECTOR 6 1 5 , 6 3 2 , 6 4 5 , 650 !
?
HKCTORIA. 5 2 3 , 537
HEERl-^Iv 6 5 4 , 669 '
HLIN&. 248, 279, 656, 668, 681 i
HELIEts 6 6 8 , 681 t
HSLLEN 6 6 3 , 681 !
i.IIJTER 611
HSRijES 656 I
HEKRY S . GROVE 6 4 5 , 615 -
HSRIiJNG 673 I'-
HKHiiTEIK 5 6 0 , 5 7 1 , 5 3 4 , 585a i..
U. F . ALSXiUsDER 65O !
H. H . ROGERS 640 -,
HI SSiiiRO 607, 658, 693
HIGHO 5 1 1 , 643
HIKONDELLL $|4, 649
HiaOUAH II 542
WWR GTMN ; 588, 618
HOE '^^673 ': > ::;
" -
H3EL 654, 669
HOERM 248, 278,-. 292, 517 - -
:
HORNET 4 5 6 , - 6 7 1 , 688 L. - '
HUDSON 4 6 4 , 669 ' *
HUILZILOPOGHTLI 693
HUi,iBOLDT 464
HUNTER LIGGST 611 ;

on i
SHIPS: - Continued
HUisTINGlOiJ 671
HUTCHBiS 464, 669
HVOSELF 547, 566
IBiEVILLb 600, 633
ICiulION 639
ILL EUL1E 638, 659
IDEAET 615, 6^5
IC-KOR 615, 645
IKaPlON 523, 537, 579
TIE DE DUESSWIT 558
IIS DE FRANCE 227, 232
ILK \M LS4 553
ILLINOIS . 670, 688
IivBLi. PRIIJCE 659
IHBIA]; ?RB:CE ., bj>2, 633, 651
IHDTJU& 670, 687
INDIER 53S, 616
BIDUSTRTA 639
KGER FEM 615, 645
IKGRkHfeM 613
IKGKDJ 538, 613, 639, 660
HiTREPID 671, 6 8 3 , 692
IIvVINCIBLE 511, 648 (
ISMk 670, 687 ]
IPJSB&KK 588, 616 {
raoquois 556 ,
IRSIN 610, 667 \
ISH'iSYi'JOD 669 )
ISJis DE RE 656 ;
538, 618 \

JACK 673
J. A. U3RIKKEL 640
JkCQB ROPHERT 512
JACOX . . 533 -
JM3D0J" 510 , ,
" JAM ' 656 , ' *
JAKR4N -- 481
JAPAPA - 547, 560,. 566, 571, 585,.-585a
 I'T

SHIPSS.. - ' Continued

JAMES LIKES 598
JAVANESE PRUiCE 493, 503
JLKK JADOT 227, 238, 248, 278
JSh'KIWS 552, 669
692
JO rail'i NESBURu 588
JOHN I). HEKLEX 613, 670
JOHN R. Huf.'N&I 611
JOHN LIKES 551, 598
J O a P . PkDLRSEK 668, 681
649
JOSEPH LIKES 598
JOSEPHINE 615, 645
JOSI&H LACI 537, 617
JULIA U1MUH 481
JUNEkU 551. 671, 683
650, 655
KiilPAFA 604, 635
638
571, 585a
227, 238, 243, 278
r"vii.RTHIUl\' 615, 645
S^U^Eik LOUlDULilS 492, 521
538, 618
632
537, 617, 652
i'^TJURL 693
598
671, 688
278, 610, 667
i<a-!TUGKY 600, 670, 688
12CXH0Ili 547, 566
KEISTOKE 615, 645
KKBBRLI. 669
XINGFISH 673
KBaG GI5JRGE V 515, 519, 525, 530, 536, 543, 579, 596
619
KTJRSTEN B. ' 588
KIRSTES 3 . . GOW&R
K0LSN4PEN 605, 635 .
639y. 660
KOOYOUG I I I 693
SHIPS: - Continued

KORSHOtti 656
K'iSLOS I I 632, 652
KOTa CEDE 248, 278
IOTAKOPAH 615, 632, 645, 650
KOTk TAUN 632, 650
;:?,ISTI 589, 617
KUPii. 656

IAERTisS 588, 618, 639, 660

LAJuOETTE 615, 645
654, 669
571, 585b,
533
587, 617
669
673
669
485, 488
LaURECO LUiR 547, 566, 640
552, 669
667
LEIEbTSH 656
LEISEFJQRD 615, 645
li^iPOLD L. D. 553, 656
LESLIE J . FULTOK 481
LEXIKGTON 683
LI3EKTI 611
LIDJ 639, 656
LILLCU1\VOR 615, 645
LUfA 588, 617
Lffiii 1-iiTCOVE 537
615, 645
-486, 4S8
LIKSS 593
638, 659
iKJCUST. 573
L3NE STiR 601,,.633
651 -

LORklK 456, 510,

SHIPS: - Continued \

KWOSIAKD 693 "

IOUISIAM 670, 6^8
LOwE TAXINGS 611
LUCE 669
LUDLJ.Y 65A, 669
LuKA 6 1 5 , 6 3 2 , 3 6 4 5 , 652
LuSCO 5 S 3 , 617

34
SKIPSJ - Continued

MAAS2AH 655
692
MACKEREL 672
}ACOMB 670
HADOERA 588, 61S
11AE 615, 645
KAGNKILD 639, 660
FAHOTJT 571, 5G5A
KAIPAIH 651
MAINE 670, 6C8
HAIRA. 639
MAJESTIC 421
1'AKEIA 587, 617
VAKHODA 693 652
632, 645
MALAY
MANCiESTSR 615,
VANGORE 672 617
ICATJHATTAN 587,130, 134, 135, 136, 143, 145, 149,
12, 168, 170, 175, 177, 180, 181, 192,
152, 201, 2C3, 209, 21C, 237, 239, 242,
198, 252, 279, 298, 371, 450, 52.6, 528,
243, 595, 644, 656, 694
577,
MANUKA 640
7IAPIA 589, 616, 655
MARATHON 639
FiAPAVAL 692
MARGA 248, 279
MARIA DOLORES 692
HARIA SPRINGBUCK 512
MAF.INA 613
5S9, 604, 605, 616, 636
MARKIAffl) 456, 513
KAEKLUJID 548, 566, 604, 635, 668, 681
>!ARLIH 673
ltAHKftX ST. DS AIJJEGOOTE 571, 585A, 604, 635
MftESODAK 649
MARTIN BAKES 632, 638, 652, 660
MAHTI*TELICH 481
HAKO 104
HART 534
538,. 617
liASCOTiS 692
l^ASSACHUSETTS 670, 688
VATAGORDA 464
SHIPS: - C o n t i n u e d

IUTCGVE 617
MATTOLE 542
MAUD 6 1 5 , 645
!:AUD AND EILL 6 3 2 , 652
KAUR"5TANIA 75
MC CALL*. 669
MC CORD 6 5 4 , 669
ire INA 588
MEAJJE 669
MEDEA 589, 616, 668, 681
!EDINA 587, 617
MELINA 618
MERCER 456
MERCER VICTORY 611
MERCHANT PRINCE 655
MERCIER 227, 238, 2 4 8 , 278
HEREDITII 669
MKRIDA 5 8 7 , 617
l&RKER. 510
ifEROFE 615, 645, 656
MERVINE 669
MEVANIA 613
KIAKL" 672
MICHIGAN 5 5 9 , 640
MILLER 6 5 4 , 669
JOTGO 673
MJJRLO 588, 618, 655
MISSOURI 6 7 0 , 687
MOBILE 6 7 2 , 689
HOIRA 656
MOJA 464
MOLDA 6 3 9 , 656
HOLDANOER 523
MOKASSES 5 1 1 , 648
MONSOON 693
MONT AOEL 6 1 5 , 645
MONT EVEREST 558
MONTANA 670,688
MON3EVB3KO 6 1 5 , 645
MOHTPELIER 6 7 1 , 689
MONTROLITS 6 3 8 , 659
MORMACMAIL . . . . . . 653
MORMACSEA ' 667
UORSKA WOLA 4 7 7 , 478
SHIPS* - Continued IJ
MOUNT HELMAS 656
MOUNT KILTJBNE 656
VOUKT TAYGETUS 492, 517
HUNARGO 610, 667
KURPKY 669
inJSSAlLOHCS 673
MUSKEETA 542
615, 645
lr, ELDRIDCS 481
NAGU 538, 617
HAKHODA 532
NAPARO 693
NEMANJI 566
566
611, 657
NETI 417, 430, 433, 639
NEW AMBASSADOR 481
. -
NET: BOL 4C1
NEIV CONTE DH SA7QI 481
NM EXAKPLE 481
NSW HAMPSHIRE 6 7 0 , 688
NT3T HAVEN 671
670,
670, 68787
NEW ORLEANS 4456
56
NEFJ TEXA! 571, 585B
ITETV YORK 197, 649
NEW YORK CITY 656
650
NEWARK 671
KEWCO'S 669
NEffTON, U. S . S* 667
1TIAGARA 658
NICHELSOK 669
NICHOLAS 6 4 5 , 669
NICHOLAS CUKEFO 615
615
NIDAR2&1 588, 618, 639
SOCKDM- 511, 648
KOK&NJI' 547
HOBBRIN 632, 652, 668, 681
NOREEK 589,
481 617
NCSMAIffilE 158, 558
NCSHUNA -:.: - . _ J>05, 636
NORTH CAROLINA ' 670^ 687"
NORTH KI1IC- 533, 549 _
SHIPSt - Continued

NORTH STAR 481

NORTHLAND 612
HOTOS 668, 681
NOW LISTEN 542
liTJEVA 618
NUEVA ANDALTJCCA 588

OAKLAND 65-4, 672

O'BANKON 669
OffiA 547, 566
OG&HTZ 657
OHIO 670, 688
OKLAHOMA CITY 672
OLGA 615, 6 4 0 , 645
OLAF BERCH 656
OKRUST 572, 693
GiJViEQO 692
ORION " 693
ORISKANY 6/1, 6S3.
ORIZABA 611, 6 5 3 , 667
OROPUS 632, 652
OSCILA 604, 635
OSKAKft. 5H, 648
(HEN 654, 669
PACIFIC 485, 4 8 8 , 542
PACIFIC (EOVE 604, 6 5 9 , 6 3 8 , 635
PACIFIC OAK 599, 665
PACIFIC PRESIDENT 604, 635
PACIFIC REDWOOD 456, 510
PACIFIC SHIPPER 604, 635
PAEDLE 673
PAIPAKE 659
PANAK 587, 617
PAKAMANIA 248, 279
PAH AMERICAN 532, 611
PAU N0R1AI 605, 636
PAKAMA TLkfXE 571
PAHDIA. 547, 566
PARGO 673
PARKER 669
PARJflt 588, 617
r
PASADEHA . 671, 689
SKIPS s ** Continued
PASTEUR 182, 194
PATRAI 549
PEGASUS 532, 693
PEMBERTON ( OR PENNINGTON) 74
PENELOP 566
PENELOPE 548
PEKOBSCOT 611
PEP 572
FERCIVAL 552, 669
PEREIRA 615, 645
PETER KERR 601, 633
PETO 674
PHEMUJS 523, 537
PHILIP 669
PITTSBURGH 671, 689
PLAVNICK 656
poor 674
POT.AEINE 649
i n /
POLARIS
POLARLAND 656
POLLUX 632, 652
POLYBIUS 601, 633, 657
POLYCASTLE 588, 618
POLYPHEMUS 616
POLYP HOMUS 588
POMPON 674
PONCE 534, 615, 645
POOPOOFLEE 693
PORT ANTONIO 615, 645
PORT HUNTER 248, 278
PORT MELBOURNE 571, 585A
PORTLAND 533
POSEIDON 615, 645
FRAVAHARA 589, 617
PRESIDENT FII1H0RE 640
PRESIDENT GARFTKT.T) 665
PRESIDENT GEANT 532
PRESIDENT HAYES 600, 633, 640, 665
PffiSIIENT JACKSON 532, 665
P R ^ I D M T JEFEER30N 532
P^STJEffT HC KINLEY 532
PRESIDENT MONROE 665
PRESIJjENT ROOSEVELT 464, 517, 532, 612
PRESIDENT VAN BUREN 394
PRIMO 547, 566, 656
PRINCESS ARLENE 668, 581
SHIPS: - C o n t i n u e d

PRIKS W1LLEK I I ' 656

PRIFS a l L L S i \'01\ OR&NJE 656
Fr-ISEIX 649
587, 617
5 5??7, 6 1 7
6 1 1 , 657
ZE 672
PuLRTO RICO 672
PUFFSR 674
P'uTMAl." 654, 670
P'GTNICK 587, 617
FiGI^tllAJ; 508, 616

^UJIKR CITX 615, 645

sU^x* VLIiitEr.Tr. ' 227, 230, 249, 278, 290, 354, 363
.'.1-?y>; ".. iftY i g ^fva too
VUiiltili ur CAji S o^4
669
433, 437

552,669
656
P.',ri-.BOYi 611, 653
PJUOKA 692
!u.iaOLPK 6 7 1 , 688
694
674
547, 566
RuTOK 674
lixCi 674
RE1&OL 674
kiDFIF, 674
EEUGDOD 611
REGEICT PiiK'mEJt 65O
REU'HOLD 632, 652
KELIAMCE 180
RENO . 654, 672
REKSi^li' 669
BEUBBf'TIPTQN 598
HEXES' 89^ 1 5 3 , 1 5 9 , 1 7 6 , 6 7 9
EEXEKOR * .- 651
EHKXENoR - - -- 631" . . ..
RBiGGOLD ' 669 "

40
DRIPS: - Continued

RIO KOTO 555, 575

RITA. 615, 645, 663, 681
606
600, 633
606
KO^Iiv K'/oKSLLY 606, 615, 633, 645
ROdlli ST.AWuOlJ 606
606
606
671
ICCK 674
552, 669
355, 515
542, 606
560, 585
485, ASS
492, 504
56O. 5S5
RO^KvIE 63 - 652
673'
431
533
510
598
ST. JJHH 667
ST. LQUIS 143, 180
ST. RS.UL 671, 6E>9
75, 243, 249, 27S, 416, 430,
672
dDi^ I I 693
r' ii.i\JjRiuS 571, 585B
671, 638
FELJ-X 586, 616
534, 671, 633
654
SiUvT L>3i..Ii'- 559
Skl.TA FE 671, 689
589, 617
655
303, 305, 317, 320, 331, 633
SMlITMt 693
Si-.lji'XEY 552, 669
673
SCA1.T 673
SHIPS: - Continued

SCANDI4 651, 655

SCHROEDER 669
SGOEPION 674
SGOETON 549
SCTTHIA 248, 249, 278, 599
SEA BREEZE 481
SEA ROBIN 606
SEA. ROVER 481
SEA WOLF 694
SEATRAIN NEW JERSEY 678, 682
SEATRAIN NEW ORLEANS 678
SEATRAIN TEXAS 678
SEATTLE SPIRIT 601, 633, 657
SEINILIA 243
SKAD 673
SHUTLE 542
SIEONEI 388, 405, 474, 500, 528, 577, 578,
585B,61O, 659, 660, 661, 666, 667,
663
SIGSBEE ^^/->
S1LVERBELLE 588, 616
SILVERCEDAIt 571, 585A
SILVERSIDES 674
SILVERWALNUT 651
SINIERA 236
SINKINGTON COURT 477, 478,485, 488
SIR THOMAS J. LIPTQN 532
SIRANGER 615, 645
SKKRAS 638, 659
SKOTTLAND 615, 645
SLASK 463, 475
SLIPSTREAM 606
SLOTERDIK 588, 616
SNOOK 674
SOEBELI 632, 652
SOEKABOEMI 655
SOLBRITT 64O
SOIWET.SDYK 554, 575
SCMIEHST4D 588, 618
SCSKSA 649
SORVAJWSH 639, 656
SOTjtTH 13AKOTA 670, 687
SHIPS; - Continued

SOUTHERN .SEAS . 692

SPARTAN 164, 431
SPENCE 670
SPINDRIFT 693
SPONTJILUS 463, 475
SPRINGFIEJJD 671, 689
SPOKANE 654, 672
STANWELL 604, 635
STAR OF ALEXANDRIA 639, 660
STAR DUST 534
STARTSTOlffi 604
STELLA POLARIS 693
STEELHEAD 674
STEPHEN POTTER 654, 670
STINS RAT 606
STRONG 670
STILIANOS CHAKDRIS 632^ 652
SUDERAI 5SB, 613
SUMAR ' 611, 649
SUNFISH 674
SUSAK 547, 566
SiiiFT ARROW 612
SIBARITA 693
SYCAMORE 679
SHIPSt - Continued i
Tat Elk 588, 618
T*U30R 639, 660
TiiCHEE 638, 659
668, 631
TAI Y E 655
TAI YUL1 639
671, 689
549
639, 660
TakPICG 588, 617
TMGO 679
TiJlIEk 547,555, 566, 575
668, 681
589, 617, 639, 660
TAMLI 246, 270
TxiYLOR 670
TEPPLER I I 649
TilRRY 670
670
611
615, 645
THIS1GLE!-I 547, 566
THOI'AS H. LKLER
683
692
THREE STiiR 481
TIBiElUS
TICOKDIROGk 615, 645
TKGEY 688
TITMlIi 654, 670
TOUBk 668, 681
TOLEIX) 639, 660
TJORaK 539, 617
TOPEK*. 632, 651
TtHUttl 671, 689
TQWM 656
639
1ORRENS 547, 566
TORRES 571, 585a
TOT&NT 612, 667
TOlflSEKD 510
456, 513, 639, 660
TRiiTHBi 613 ---
TREGiJITHHv 654, 669
TRICOI^RE 655
539, 616

4-1
SHIPS:_ ~ C o n t i n u e d

TRIGGER 674
587, 617
539, 617
IROPICUS 539, 617
611
TRUUPJLR 693
TuGSOi; 654, 672
243, 279
674
TUREBI 655
TWINING 654, 670
TYP \iS 249, 278
549, 656

481
537, 617
693
632, 652
561, 585
VaSHOK
481
605, 635
VAV
611
549
VERi\QK CITY 668, 681
YIC!:SBUKG
VILJji!; DL AI. 243, 278, 371, 456, 463, 465, 475,
588, 616
227, 232, 419, 416
VIILE DE HiibSSL 227 232
VILIE DE LIEGE 249*, 278, 371, 456, 547, 549, 566,
678, 682
VILLL BE IiO>;S
249,
572 278
481
615, 645
549
VIS
7TSIAW
605, 636
477,
voco 581, 617
227, 233, 243, 278

45
SHIPS: - Continued

670
TilHOO 674
%*LKER 670
552, 669
13, 19, 47, 59, 197, 342, 371, 452,
456, 513, 522, 544, 545, 644, 656,
670, 687
552, 669
611
510
; i ECk 483, 487
V.3JULFIELD 632, 651
VmST 512
TSST
657
V,1iST CORIM 611
WEST CRESSEY 599
YCDT IRMO 600, 633
liZST KODUS 579, 665
u^ST I\ILTJS 588, 617
WEST RX&SSET 512, 555, 575
VfiST RARITUKS 456, 510
LEST SaGINkYi 456
V,!kiT TOTkNT 456
VSST TRUSH 5 3, 617
456
CUT $11, 64B
651
WESTERHIAMD 545
WESTERN 0CE4I-; 456, 510
PRIKCS 227, 238, 243, 278, 416, 430, 433
'.JRLD 532, 612
655
MiALE 674
WIW DUGK 692
WUJ) C3OOSE 692
669
VrflLKES-EARRE 672
WILLTA1.: G. 1/^ 612
V;ILL]M HikHCEN 639.
ftlLLI^i R. GI5SJK 611
'.ILLL^KTIC 456, 510
671
639, 655
TUILLIAM J . MORAN 532

46
b'H'Pb; - C o n t i n u e d
6Q2
547, 566
Yfrt'O!^ G J U K T I
456, 510
670, 63S
693
LISPLR 512
..OI/32.ILV,'
654, 669
Y.OOBV:ORTH
669
IVJOLSEI
657
V'. b. I.i'LLdR.
694
X-'-JllFii

YiJ--.Ai.iL Ac:.?

607, 649, 683

YOKEa LIi:Da
663, 631
IGEMiOGRK
672
YOUHGSTOWK
538, 616
589, 616
'LkGLOBk
539, 617
512
ZOLLLL LYKLS 593
615, 645, 655
ZIHiavBERG


131, 138, 308

252,
SIEC2ER, ERWIN : 130, 134, 136, 137, 138,
135, 339,
141, 142, 145, 160, 168,
144, 169, 170,
175, 180, 187, 192, 196,
181, 197, 198,
200, 201, 203, 205,
202, 206, 207, 209,. i
210, 211, 229, 253, 254, 255, 270,
271, 287, 242, 295, 298,
293, 300, 301,
304, 320, 294, 328, 329,
321, 330, 331,
332, 3a, 327,
334,
360,
343, 344,
342, 377, 337,
345,
390,
353,
392,
358, 361, 376, 405, 406,
393,
435,
396,
400, 404, 443, 458,
436, as, 424,
484,
487, 437, 440,
495, 515, 483, 518,
519, 496, 506, 514,
520, 545, 557, 517, 591,
595, 521, 543, 675, 680,
609, 577, 685
616, 633, 681,
2, 9, 10, 136
191, 192, 193, 237
156
616
432, 434, 435, 445, 561
SINCLAIR REFINING CO. 552
SKI MOTORS 265
i".t? 331, 393
SMITH COAL & SHIPFJILDING CO. 607
SNOW SHIPYARDS, INC. 607
SOCIETY OF AMERICAN ENGINEERS JOURNAL 406
SOCONX VACUUM OIL CO., INC. 607, 612, 649, 683
FRIT& 184, 186, 187
294 d
SQR&U, HEINRICH (HENRY) 9, 10, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 27, 31,
32, 36, 37, 42, 43, 45, 47, 56, 59, 60,
61, 66, 69, 78, 79, 80, 88, 91, 97, 98,
99, 100, 113, 117, 131, 137, 138, 141,
148, 155, 163, 166, 177, 183, 186, 187,
190, 297, 299, 307, 321, 326, 335, 337,
351, 353, 357, 363, 379, 394, 399, 401,
> ,1 ->, 506,; 5 0 7 , / - - -''
'V

j&ii::af^Ai!1a
SOOTH ATLANTIC STMSSHIP CO.
SQUTHEHN AIRCRAFT CORP. ' .
SOUTHERN PACIFIC CO.
"SPANNING SAN FRANCISCO BAY"
SPARTAN ADtCFJlFT CO.

48
 #

SPERRY GYROSCOPE CO., INC.
SPONGE RUBBER PRODUCTS CO.
SPRIESCH TOOL & MANUFACTURING CO.
64, 83, 92, 93, U O , 124, 127, 144,
146, H 9 , 150, 182, 198, 237, 24&, 247,
286, 287, 336, 337, 349, 351, ^ 5 , 356,
365, 372, 374, 377, 397, *** 4 U , 418,
424, 434, 438 f >"
655
535

r
S P I SERVICE 353
647
643
STABE, HEINZ 642, 643, 644, 643, 651, 659, 687
ST1HDARD OIL CO. OF BRAZIL
STANDARD OIL CO. OF CALIFORNIA
683
STANDARD OIL CO. OF NE JERSEY 612, 657
STEARM&N AIRCRAFT CORP. 612, 649
RTCAffMAW H4WnWTi AIRCRAFT CORP. 172, 224, 259

L STEIN, LILLY
259
/ /
15, 16, 17, 25, 37,39, 40, , 42, 43,
44, 59, 68, 96, 99,100, 106,116, 117,
121, 142, 147, 153,154, 159,161, 163,
I64, 167, 68, I&9,177, 179,133, 137,
190, 191, 192, 193,195, 198,199, 200,
203, 205, 206, 209,210, 211,214, 230,
241, 244, 245, 251,252, 253,256, 257,
268, 272, 280, 281,282, 283,285, 289,
292, 297, 298, 299,302, 3O4,307, 311,
316, 319, 321, 322,324,
374,
325,326, 333,
396,455, 539,
334, 335, 339, 372,
644
491, 501
661
519
STIGLER, FRANZ (AUFZUG) 139, 140, 141, 142, 149, 170, 180, 181,
187, 196, 197, 198, 201, 202, 203, 206,
229, 242, 254, 279, 286, 287, 289, 290,
293, 294, 295, 322, 330, 332, 334, 341, 342,
343, 344, 345, 346, 348, 353, 358, 360,
378, ,380, 381,, 382, 387, 3.90, 392, 393*
, <6v
394*404, 405*,'
484,-495, *

49
STINSON AIRCRAFT AVIATION MFG. CORP. I64, 172, 259, 260
STOCKARD & CO. 612
STRUNCK, ERICH . 293, 294, 297, 298, 300, 301, 302, 304,
327, 323, 332, 342, 355, 357, 358, 359,
360, 366, 386, 387, 388, 389, 392, 402,
405, 406, 421, 422, 424, 435, 436, 437,
440, 455, 461, 470, 471, 472, 473, 474,
486, 489, 495, 500/ 519, 522, 527, 528,
530, 537, 576, 577, 578,''581, 582, 583,
585B,6O2, 609, 636, 640, 659, 662, 665,
666, 681, 684

SUD-AMERICANO DE VAPORES 534

SUFFOLK REPUBLICAN CLUB 65
SUN SHIPBUILDING & DRYDOCK CO. 653, 678, 682
SWALLOW AIRPLANE CO. 259
TACOMA BOAT BUILDING CO. 657, 694
TAMPA SHIPBUILDING 0 0 . 653
DRCRAFT AVIATION CORP. 261
152, 154
276
TEXAS CO. 649
THEOBALD, F . C . 534, 649
485, 488
648
528
TIMES ATLAS OF THE WAR 260, 274
TBffi AIRCRAFT CORP. 684
248
BATH IRON TORKS SHIPBUIIDING CORP. 5 5 1
TOBD-CALIFORKIA SHIPBUILDING CO. 542, 5 5 1 , 597
TOTJD SEX BOCK 250, 280, 290
TOJJD SHIP YARDS 542, 551, 563
& 1ESTERN AIR, INC. 1 8 8
646, 654

430, 603
531;
.533, .;:
23, 260,
m u m >'---.'
UNITED STATES RUBBER COMPANY - a ? , 418
UNIT'S) STATES STBEL RUBBER COHPANI 445
"UNSERE GKELISCHAFT" 3 -
UPJOHN COHPANI 250

50
 9

VAN AXEN RESTAURANT- 423, 443, 444, 451, 466, 489, 495, 522,
541, 557, 561, 690
680
259
611
182
581,
(SEE
420,
420
, ED. 430, 431, 432, 475, 585, 580, 609, 676
VON (UMJHARD ( P h o n e t i c ) 129
VON KREDTZEHSTEIK. FRED (SEE FEED KREUTZSIJSTEIN)
624, 630
648
U8
VON RATJPACH, R . R ; 623, 624, 629, 630, 631, 637
.) 98, 117, 121, 148, 326
305, 311, 318, 375
VOUQflMSIKORSKT 172, 221, 22J, 259
VULTEE AIRCRAFT DIVISION1 172, 221, 225, 260
ffAAIEN, LEO 381, 382, 383, 394, 399, 406, 408, 409,
410, 425, 442, 447, 448, 449, 450, 451,
457, 462, 463, 465, 474, 479, 481, 482,
486, 498, 499, 502, 504A, 510, 513, 531,
543, 550, 568, 569, 577, 578, 579, 596,
603, 609, 618, 619, 634, 638, 661, 663,
664, 665, 668, 676, 677, 678, 631, 682,
683, 685, 686, 687, 690, 691
WACO AIRCRAFT CO. 164, 172, 260
WALISCHESSKI, ADOLF HENRY AUGUST 556, 568, 569, 595, 197
WALLET. JOHANN 120
544
290
G TRAVEL SERVICE, C . S . *l&f44, 47, 50, 51. 55. 6 l , 67, 69, 73,
76, 80, 87, 9 l 4 M - r 3 3 O , 361, 365, 394
459 . y -/ ';''': ' '"

(SfeE ADOIJ* HfifNRY AHGOST miTSCHESSKl)

WATERMAN AHROWLAKE CO, 259 - - - .. . ,
H I P CO.
y 506, 508, 515, 526, 528, 538
520
!H AIRCRAFT INDUSTRIES, INC, 260

51
WJELBING, J . K. C O . , I N C . 607
260

Mfc *646^' 647, . 687..

WESTERM&N'S BOOKSTORE
1ESTERN BOAT BUIIEING CO. 657
CEfiN P I P E & STEEL CO. 574. 653
K
496, 596
WEUSTBMFELD, ELSE 41, 44, 68, 69, 99, 109, 122, 123, 128,
147, 185, 190, 292, 304, 305, 311, 441,
449
656
7 INC. 656
656
^ AXEL 543, 556, 570, 586, 595
IHITE AIRCRAFT, INC. 260
JOHN J. T7T
611, 649
r
385, 391, 397, 580, 676
IEON & STEEL CORP. 657
4a, 448
212, 519, 536
WINCHELL, WALTER 177
WINCHESTER, J, H. & CO., INC 511, 648
327
544
231
642, 643, 651
381, 382, 572, 69I
69
128

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IKBEX OF
TESTIMONY OF
WTJJJAM SIB OLD
(Covering pages 696 to 843, inclusive)

NAME PAGE
"^ AIR TERMINALS 699, 748
ALABAMA MARINE ZHGINE CO. 713
765, 744
ALBINA ENGINE AND MACHINE WORKS,
INC, 798, 837
AIBHBCHT, (DR.) 842
AMERICAN EXPCRT LIKES 702
A1ERICAN SHIPBUILDING GOMPANY 799
AMERICAN WEST AFRICAN LINE 721
ANAP0L3B YACHT YARD, INC. 809
ANZIEGER (GERHQFF) 696, 702, 703, 704, 716, 724, 737, 739,
740, 742, 743, 759, 761, 764, 790, 800,
807, 808, 817.
r\|L/ ASTORIA MARINE IRON VDRKS 713
S ATLANTIC REFINING CO. 742, 758, 759, 760.

wm
BANCO DE MEXICO, S . A .
701, 817
745
BANDE, PAUL (SEE PAUL BANTE)
BANTE, PAUL 701, 718, 721, 766, 731, 784, 785, 794,
798, 817, 818.
SIHUIHHF
BAslLTKScl^a^
-725
?799

BA3H.IRCR ')RKS 703
BApR, CAPT. . 755, 767

mmm
CPD\

(ssEflBHH
* - ' vLsm^UHHHP - 709 . . N ; . - ' i -
^ffl^puSr^aTR^IEIS) SHJJPYAED
BETHLEHaS STEEL CO.
BLANK, .MAX
702,
701,
703, 722^
731, 7 U , .774, 842..
.V
BOBNNING (Phonetic) 784 - "
mmm
BRISTOL YACHT CO.
773,
799
780
BRITISH PURCHASING COMMISSION 813
BROKKOFF. ALFRED 715, 717, 718, 757, 732, 792, 821.
708, 726
BURGEOOATCO^^^^^^ 799
53
CALIFORNIA SHIPBUIU)IM} CORP, 815 .
C&JDEN SHIPBOILTjrjJQ & BAILTSAX CO. 799
CANADIAN CAE k-FOUNDEI CO. . 342
CARGILI, GR&IH GO. 816
CHASE l&TIONAL BANK 745, 1> 308, 823.
CLAHC BROS. 714
CEAUSING, HEINRICH 715, 717, 718, 730, 7S5, 792, 807,
817, 818, 819, 822, 331A
GOLBERG BOAT WORKS 799
COMMERCIAL IRON WRYS 799
765, 769, 770, 773, 774, 776, 779,
730, 781, 7S7, 794, 796, 798, 803,
304, 812, 814, 822, 823, 835.
CONSOLIMTED SHIPBUILDING CORP. 799
CONSOLIDATED STE& CORP. 741, 800
COOPER-BESSEMER CORP. 816
CROSSROADS TAVERN 767

DEH)E BOAT AND MOTOR 1ORKS 303

3UILDING-'CO.. INC. 800
732, 752
DEUTSCHER LUFTHANSA (German A i r l i n e s ) 755
EICKSTEIN. (CONGRESSMAN) 784
711, 821
3SFTTAL
766 306
mil), COffiAEO OTTO
DUBUOJTE BOAT AND BOILER WORKS
711,
809
TJUPONT PLANT
756 704, 705, 706, 707, 708, 709,
DUQJESNE, FREDERICK JOUBERT
699,
725, 726, 730, 745, 743, 753, 754,
755, 756, 772, 777, 778, 786, 793,
797, 800, 801, 802, 803, 806, 807,
808, 812, 813, 814, 822, 831A, 836,
837, 838, 839, 340, 8 4 I , 842.
EAST COAST IARD, I N C . 808
EASTEEN STBBMSaiP LINES 723
EBE&N& . . T' ' ' (SEE RUEQLF
BBSRUCHS (SSB188DQSLF

EIGHENLADB, HICHABD . . , 765, 77P, m >

774, 775, 776, 780, 781, 784, 794,
795, 796, 798, 803, .804, 817, 323,
834, 835, 836,
836

54
SLCO BOAT 1ORKS 724, 716
JLECTRIC BOAT 0 0 . 735
E L E A B E T H C I T I SHIP1&ED 809
ELLIOTT MACHISE COW.
714 . . .
ELISTORTH ' - '
696, 700, 704, 706, 712, 719, 720, 725,
728, 730, 748, 752, 753, 762, 763, 769,
772, 778, 786, 787, 791, 793, 797, 811,
813, 820, 822, 823, 831A, 834, 836, 842,
843.
ESSENHARDT 774
(SEE BARON JOHN MLLIAM HEINRICH VON
842
778, 786, 787, 788, 789, 790, 793, 797,
806, 807, 808, 822, 834, 837, 839.

FAIRCHILu) (Cameras & Optical Instruments) 779

FEDERAL SHIPBUILDING & DRY DOCK CO. 702, 703, 739, 741
FUSE, PAUL 701, 702, 703, 704, 711, 716, 717, 718,
721, 724, 732, 733, 734, 737, 739, 740,
742, 743, 752, 731, "782. 784, 790, 792,
797, 798, 307, 818, 32l'.
842 1
714
780, 781
704, 720, 762, 763, 779, 814
773J80
m
CSE^llJ
V
*7 CPATlT?
CTZ ft Q J. tXAjizi J
FULTON, F . L . 809

GMERAL MACHINE HX COHP. 713 j

QWmkLWTOBS COEP. 697
GBDRGS (Katinka R e s t a u r a n t ) 780, 803
GESM&N FiHNDUMa&ABTiUXUNG 765
(Searching DivisLon of t h e Gestapo)
i -(SEE BEUTSffilR LUFT )

GMCK LINE 702, 783

GRIEBL, -771, 784

55
 840
(SBIBUH. ENGINEERING COSP. 696, 779
GULF OIL COBP. 742, 760
GULF SHIPBUnajlNft COPJ>. 737
;
767
791
KJUNDHf & MACHINERY CO, 713
842
(LT. ODL.) 814
841
767, 768, 773
'
765, 774
819 ^__-

696 ^ ^
823
802, 813
717, 730, 818, 831A
HOTEL PIBRTO 726
HOUSTON SHIPBUILDING ODRP. 815
- i

bit INGALS aUPBUILKMGCORP. 723, 815

ISCHIEDRICH, OTTOMR 732, 752, 784
(SEE ALSO GEDRGE SOHUH)

JAHN CAPT.) 755, 767

775, 779
APT.. (SEE CAPT . RUDOLPH A. JAHN)
JOSHUA HANTJX IRON WORKS 714
JUNKERS AIRPLAlffi WORKS 842
K&RSCHIffiR 733
RESTAURANT 730, 803

823 ^ ^ W
TAUKEES, INC. 759
KffiSTONE TANKSHIP CORP. 742, 758, 759
715, 791, 805
041
773 <:.
755, 842,
765 -.*'.<
70S, .726^ 767-" r " f t -"-' 4 . ; ;,.
841
KJKES BROS. STEAJ.1SKIF C O . , - I N C . 702

56
 w

823
2B ENGINEERING Affi RESEARCH CORP. 7 5 0 , 7 9 0 , 797
LITTLE CASINO, THE 7 1 7 , 770, 774, 7 8 4 , 803
LOS AHGELES SHIPBUIL7DIHG & DBT BOCK CORP.782

CONSTHJCTION CO 815
755
732,
(S
779
iffiTER, 842
MEYER, ITRtTZ 803, 812
MEZENM, RBJE 745
MIIAKO RESTAURANT 788
MOORE DRY DOCK CO. 815
cCCRMACK LINE 723, 760
754
NEW JERSEY BLANCHAED BOAT CO. - 799
NEWPORT NEWS SHIPBUHOIKS & BPJYDQCK CC. 703, 816
842
bit NICOLA, (COL.)
NIPPON CLUB
WORTH CAROLINA SHI PBUHHL" NG CO.
789
815
OREGON SHIPBUILDING CORP. 815
O'REILX 805
779, 780
OF THE NIOTT" 765

PANAMA TBANSMRT CO. 758, 759

I (MR.) 754, 772, 802
TEN&LVANIA SHIPYARBS, IHD. 815
PETRDLEUM SH3PPIN3 CQ5PANI 758
PITTSBURGH STEAMSHIP CO. 799
PRATT & np 749
[(SPECIAL AGENT) 696, 700, 704, 706, 712, 719, 720, 725,
728, 729, 730, 748, 752, 753, 762, 263,
769, 772, 778, 786, 787, 793, 797, 811,
812, 813, 820, 822, 834, 836, 843.

L.
R. C . A. RADIO CORPORATION 795
REPUBLIC AIBCRAFT 779
R M DINIKG CA.R . 745
RICHMO SHPBUII3HNG CORP. 315
BITTER, HABS . 767
BOBBER, E . ' H . 696, 697, 700, 704, 729, 731, 745, 749,
750, 751, 762, 778, 786, 787, 788, 789,
790, 793, 797, 803, 837.
RQOSSVSLT, PRESIDENT 802
BOTHER ( o r ROTHAR), 1&HIA 706, 708, 726, 777, 793, 797, 812
730

SANDERS ENGINEERING CO.

312, 814, 338, 339
696, 784, 791, 818, 835-
696, 701, 704, 715, 732, 757, 734
840
759
SEAS SHIPPING CO. 702
SEATTLB-TACCSife. SHIPBUILDING GO. 703, 723, 740, 741, 815
SSBOLO, HUGO (SEE HEINRIGH SORAU)
708

700, 70S, 751, 755, 709

802, 813

AARCN WARD 738

AB HER READ 740
ACKEY 758
MELA I H 816
ALBACCRE SUB 735
ALGERIA LYKES 702
AMB2RJACK 735
AlffiffiGA 718, 791, 818, 821
n 816
740
735
738

' "At-
* - ' % -*

BAILEI 739
BANCROFT 7a
BARB 735.

58
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SHIPSt ( C o n t i n u e d )
BAEDOI 7a
BASHAW 735
BMLE 739
BEATTI 740
BEIi 739
BENNETT 737
BLUEFiai 735
ELUEGILL 735
BONEFBH 735
30TD 740
BOILE 741
BRADFCRT3 740
BREAM 735
BREMEN 774
BBISTOL 738
BROWN 740
BRCWSON 739
BUCHANAN 738
BURNS 739
BUSK 740

CABILAN 735
CAIS)A 723
CALOBRE 718, 787
CALUSA 723
CAPE FAIRWATSR 723
CAPIRA , 718
CAP P S 737
CAR 734
CARDIMA 809, 820
CARMICK 740
CATAWHA 723
CAVLIA 735
CSRO 735
761
CHAMPLIN 741
CHABETTE 737
CHA&ES AUSBURN
741
CBAHL1S H . CRSL'P
CHiMUNG 722, 748
CHEM&NGO 816
CHEPO ...-. 816 <<**
CITY OF NSff "XQRK 718^ 793 .
782 , "-';
CLAXTOH
741
OOBIA--
OOCLE 736,. -
713, 718, 723

59
SHIPS: (Continued)
735
cm 723
COLIHi 779
COLQTTJr 723
CGHASSOGA* 737
CONNER 738
CONVERSE 733
GO WAT 738
CONT 739
CORRI 723
CORSICANA 735
CCRVIHA 740
COWELL 737
CREVALISR 735
CBOACKER 819
CUMBERLAND
DACE 735
DALY 739
DARTER 735
DAVID W . TAYLER 737
BE H&VM 737
DOC LODGE 723
DORAK) 735
DOTLE 740
DHJM 736
TJJNCAN 738
741

E. H. BLUM 758
EATON 738
HSSON 738
ELLISDN 738
S24MONS 737
MP3RE MIST 717
MP2EE SEAL 734
SNDICOTT 740
ERICSSON 738
ESSO ANNAPOLIS (SEE CHMDNG)
ESSO 3&&AY (SEE SJWAI1N3E)
ESSO SEW QHLBANS <SEB CHSJARGO)'
SSSO RAI^IGH <SEE GfiTJDAUJPI)
ESSO Y.758:*':' '*>;:-,"'
,755'
EVAMfffi 702
EVJNS
737

eo
 '{':$

SHIPS; ( G o n t i n u e d )
EXSNGE 809
EVMGSCIHE 723
EKSftHift 702
EXHIBITOR 782
EXMONTE 782
FARM HOLT 739
FARLEY 740
FINBACK 736
FITCH 737
FLASHER 735
JLETCHEP. 738
ILIER 735
FLORENCE LUCK BACH 809, 823
FLOUNDER 735
ELYING FISH 736
POOTE 738
K) BREST 737
FIUNKFCRD 740
FRANKS 740
FBI SCO 314
FULIAM 737
GATO 734
GAUDAJJJPE 816
734
GRAY BACK 734
GRAYLING 736
GRAYSON 738
GREMLING 734
GRM ABUSE 736
GROUPED. 734
GROWLER 735
GRTJNION 734
GUARDHSH 735
GUDGEON 734
GUEST 737
GUNNEL 735
GUHMRD 735
GStM .' ' 736
k

i
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.SHIPS:,. ", ~ "

Mimas 736
HAGG&3 ' 740
HAILKT , 740
HAKE 735
HALFORD 739
HALIBUT 736
;
HALL 737
HALUGAN 737
HMBLETON 738
KARADBtf 737
HARDER 735
HARRISON 741
HAZEUBOOD 740
HEEFMAN 740
HELEJB COLONGUS 818
HERE NG 736
H0B30N . 739
HCE 735
HOEL ,. 740
HOffORTH 739
HUDSON 737
HUTCHISS 737

INGRAHAH 738
ISHERW30D 739
IZARD 739

JACK 735
JHJKINS 738
JIM DAVIS 8 0 9 , 3 1 0 , 820
JOHN D. HMLESf 737
JOHH EDDGEES 741
740

KARLKAY 758
mia? 739
KIMi3SBLX . 739.

UPON '. 735 ' - . . . . - . . , t.,..^

LARDMR " 738
U VALIETTE ' ' 738 - .. . . . . .
LAIS
SHIPS: (Contirttted)
LHJTZE 739
MNGSJAW / 741
WGZ . 739 /
LUBLOff 737

MCffiREL 734
MA.COMB 737
"" i&GRES 713
UaLATJL 8 0 2 , 813 i
MffiTHLTTAN 7 8 3 , 805 t
MfSFIEED 739
MRLIN 736
McCALIA 738
McOORD 740 ^
McKffi 741 I
McKEESPORT 787 '
ICADE 739
:
JSEREDITH ' 736
IffiRVINE 733
!
METCALFE ' 739 '
. mum 740 -
MI1DE 735
HIHESOTAN 809
MOHARGO 717 I
MONSSM 739 . [
MORMA.GTHX) 723 |
"CKMA.C YORK 717 I
MORRISON 741 I
MURPHY 739 I
MURRAY 741 I
MUSKALLONGE 735 |

HEBfCCMB 737 f.-

NIffiOIAS 737 !
NICHOLSON 737 I
NIGHTINGALE 702 f
HORMANDIE 717

2'f^p^fifcaaa?-.- . - ^ ^ 741-
s
3 OHlrrffArfflEN 73S*'"' '" ' -"..
4 OHNE KAMHT 737 " - - .. . -
: :
5 OHNE'HUKJN 70- - '- L.
6 OHNE NAMHI 740, 741
7 OHNE KAMON 740
ORAKL 717
OIHO 810
(mm 740
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SHIPS: (Continued)
PADDIE 735
PANMIAN 773
PAS D . CHEPO : 782 . ,:.;,
PARGO 735 '
PAHOER 739
PAUL HAMILTON 739 - :
PERCIVAL 738
PETE 736
PHILIP 738
POGT 736
POMPON 736
PRESIDENT MONRDE 715
PRICHETT 741
PRBJGLE 733
PRIS-ELL 316
PUERTO RICAN 810
PUFFER 736
PUTNAM 740

QUICK 738

738
RASHER 736
RATON 736
RAT 736
REDFIN 736
HEHfflAW 738
RINGGOLD 739 -
RIO DE JANEIRO 723, 760
RIO DE LA PLATA 723, 760
RIO HUDSON 723, 760
RIO PARANA 723, 760
FDBALO 736
ROBERT LOCKSLET 721, 748
ROBIN IDNCASTER 702, 722
ROBIN KZTTERING 722
ROBIN MOOR 722
&)BINSON 741
ROCK 736
ROMAN 738
RO^ 741 j
ROSE -. 7 4 1 :..' ' : '' " < ^ ''.' ' - - $

736 ':
. . : . ' . . . . . - ' : * * : - . : " - ' ' . < , ' . i .
SHIPS: (Continued)
SAINT JOiN 723
SW GERIMJQ 717 ^
SANTA. CLARA 821
SATJELET 738
SAWJ1SH 736
SCAUP 736 .
SCORPION 736
SEA TRUSi 310
S&A . 765
SENGA 816
SHAD 736
SHiaUS 739
SIEONEI 715, 805, 806, 809
SIGSBEE 7A1
SILET2 783
SILVERS: DES 734
SMALIEI 741
SNOOK 736
SOUTHERN PRINCE 7 0 2 , 7 1 3 , 7 2 5 , 728
SPENCE 738
3PRCST0N 741
STANLY 738
SIANYAC IELBOURNE 758 t
STANVAC PALM BANG 816
STEELHEM) 736
STEEimKER 810
STELLA LYKES 761-
STEPHEN POTTER 740
STEVE 738
STEVENSON 741
STOCKTON 741
STOH)AKD 7a
STRATEGIST 818
STRONG 737
SUMFISH 734
SUWANNEE 816
SWANSON 738
SYJflRA 316
SYRQS , 782

TBIPfER I I ' 816

TJKBT- ' 738
THA.TCHER 738
THQRII 741
TINGE? - - 74
TFATHEN 740-
TRAVELER 816
TR3BGER 734

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 .^*ji'L't:^V*^ii-idJi*jj^.^

SHIPSi ( C o n t i n u e d )
TUNA 734
TUNHI 734
TOENER 741
TWIGGS 739
TWIKING 740
TXSLIA. 6 ^i'mM -:???
UGLY mCKLIMOS 713
YILLE DS AiWERS 734
738
1SHOO 734
WALKER 738
H&LLBl 738
V1ASHIKGTON 765, 821
738
WATGS 741
WEST CELERON 783
WEST CBLIME 783
TOST CESKALD 809, 820
WEST CHKTAC 722
TSEST IMBODEN 722
WEST K E N E 723
WEST IASHiWAI 721
TSH&.LO 734
MCKES 741
739
736
WILLIAM D . PORTER 741
TCLVERINE 721
TOOTJDRTH
WOOLSEI
740
TiKEN 737
741
YAKA 722
YANKEE 816
YARNALL 740
YOUNG 741
 (SEE HEINZ STADE)
SIBGFBIED . , 7 1 1 , 715, 7 9 1 , 818, 820, 821
708, 709
802-
723
SOCONI VAtSTOM OIL 0 0 .
775,
11D SHIPBUILDING CORP. 815
734 789, 790, 797
ffROSCOPE CO. 608, 749, 750, 762,
CAPT.; 779, 780, 781
728, 746, 753, 798 769, 770, 771, 773,
STAKE, 757, 765, 766, 767, 780, 787, 794, 795,
774, 775, 776, 779, 822, 823, 835, 836
796, 79S, 803, 312,
. Sebold) 788
775
734
1 S K S SS SlSSI CKALHOmjL 742, 759
STANDARD OIL COKBMJY OF KEET JERSEY 742, 753, 759, 760
STEIH, LILLY_ 823
STEPHENS BKU3. 799 733, 752, 757, 791,
STIGLER, FRANZ (AUFZUG) ,= 7li, 715, 717, 718,
792, 808, 818, 821
715
732 805, 806, 820, 821
STHJNCK, ERICH 696, 706, 7 U , 715,
SUN OIL COMPANY 742, 759 815, 816, 837
SUN SHIPBUILDING AM) DRTDOCK COMPANY 723, 758, 760, 783,

TMPA SHIPBUILDING C O . , INC. 783

CO.
742, 759
794
792
TOTJO-EATH IRON SHIPBUILDING COEP. 703
TOLEDO SHIPBUILDING COHP. 714
(SEE HAUPTMANN ALBERTI)
NEfS SERVICE 842
733
842

702 :Y~:*
759, 760V.
*.."- li. -
 iESTAURflJT 706
(mm) ' ny
JSILLIAM HEINHLCH (MHDN) 708, 726
767
84O
842 "
842
822, 823
TIAALEN, IE0 701, 713, 715, 716, 721, 725, 728, 732,
733, 746, 748, 757, 758, 759, 761, 764,
769, 770, 781, 782, 783, 737, 793, 797,
793, 800, 807, 808, 810, 811, 815, 817,
818, 320, 822, 335, 836, 837
WALISCHEWSKI, ATXILF KENIff AUGUST 733, 746, 757
Bid U TRAVEL SERVICE, C . S .
WiSSK, BUVAL & CO.
726,
783
730, 778, 802, 803, 813, 839
WESTERMAN'S BOOK STOKE
WEST1W ELECTEEG 749
1S3TEPJ? PIPE & STEM. CO. 815
323;
79l'
842
755
774
10RTKHS3T0N POUP & IttffiHEHT CO.
713

ZUM SCHWARZB ATXER 7 1 5 , 770

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65-1819 WITNESS CLASSIFICATION. (CORROBORATION)

SEBOID

and Satoraliiatio*.
Court, S.D.H.T.
Passport Division,
st. M r . lamlgrat* & Naturalisation Service.

or yocalble.
o Set-np.
ttict setup*
2/8/40

H/22/A0, Monies & Photograph*.

U.S.S. Haas.
C. Waehingtoa D.C.
e-Mc Corasck Iiaes.
Telephone Co. Lab*
o Statiom.
can H^q>ort Liaes.
.b. Re- Radio Messages - GBO.

3. SurvelllaBoe8 - Cerroboratlv or Direct Evidence

11/22/40, Movies aad Fhotographs.

Lines.
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SEBOIS ( C o n t ' d )

4. Microphone Surreillanoes - AchBissibilitr Questionable)

5. Qnployeirt Record.

6. History and Prior Actlvitiea

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65-1S19
WILLTJK GOTTLIEB SEBOID,
Also known as HARRY SAWYER.
Residence address:
226 East 85th Street,
New York, New York.
Office addresss-
Rooa 627, 152 West 42nd Street,
Hey York, Hew York. ?
jfjtj be expected to testify*-
That he was born March 10, 1999, at Mulheim Bohr,
Germany. He attended Elementary Schools until he was eight years of
age, and then went to the Gymnasium until he was thirteen. From
thirteen until seventeen he served an apprenticeship as a Mechanical
Craftsman, and at seventeen he was called to serve as a Private in
the German Army. Be received an Honorable Discharge at the age of
nineteen, and returned to his home in Mulheim Ruhr.
In 1922 he came to the United States for the first
time, but returned to Germany the same year. In 1924 he went to South
America, where he worked until 1927, and then tried to come to the
United State?- but did not have the necessary documents for entry so
returned to South America. He was later on about January 15, 1929
granted permission to enter the United States as a Quota Immigrant,
which he did, at San Francisco, California.
He has worked at various mechanical jobs through-
out the United States, including two occasions with the CONSOLIDATED
AIRCRAFT CORPORATION, in California, during 1936. He married his
present wife in 1932. On February 10, 1936, he was naturalized in
the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York,
New York City, N.Y., (receiving Certificate of Naturalization Number
3,953,702.)
In 1939, an account of his poor physical condition,
he decided to return to Germany, and live with his mother until he
could r egain his health. He applied for, and was issued, a U. S.
passport on or about January 30, 1939, and sailed from New York on
the S. S. DEOTSCHIAND, about February 2, 1939.
(S. 86, P. 8 and S. 721)

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From this point ob? -events Trill be arranged in

or to ExSibit numbers "of "the New fork Bureau office

f i l e . From bis notes (Exhibit 1*16-36-33) WJXLTAM SEBOLD
February 11, will testify that he arrived in Hamburg, Germany. (See
1939. Despatch Order covering shipment of one suitcase and one
package from Hamburg to Mulheim, dated February 11, 1939.

(Exhibit 1A 16-54.)

Upon arrival a t Hamburg, he was interviewed and

before leaving the dock, he was called to one side and
interviewed by a'plainclothes officer concerning his
aiiplane factory experience, and other information con-
cerning his activities while in the United States. He gave
them his mother f s address, 147 Duisburger Street,
Mulheiia-Ruhr. Nothing unusual transpired from this time
until about June 1, 1939*
June 1, i
1939. Took a position with the StEM&NS-SCHUCKERT-WERKE
at Mulheim. (See Letter of Recommendation from Siemans-
Schuckert-Werke, dated December 7, 1939, stating that he,
SS30LD, worked for that firm from June 1, 1939, until.
December 7, 1939.)
(Exhibit U16 - 55.)

About He received a letter from a DR. GASSJER to come to the

July 12, Duisburger Hof the following Sunday. ID the l e t t e r Dr.
1939 Gaeener stated that he had been referred to h i s , SE80D,
by a friend, Janjt he^imme<ti&tely-took
Gestapo in Mulheija and tbea w ^ t he^ehouM&do abont ;
\/ suchA'^tomrie^^^

He, SBB0I3), rode his bicycle to Duieburg, went to the

1939 - Duisburger Hof aid* inquired for G&ssner but was told that
Sunday. Dr. Qassner was not in. He returned to Mulheim.
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transpire*!. They advised him not to take any farther

action until he had heard from Dr.

About He received a letter from Dr* Gassner, apologising .

22, for not having been at Duisburger to meet him* The
1939. exact details of this letter are not recalled except
that Gassner stated that be wanted him, Sebold, to join
"Tjnsere Gesellaehaft" which might be translated as "our
society" or "our organisation."
in this' letter he also made a threat that if he,
SEBOLD, did not Join the organisation he, Qassner, would
bring State pressure to bear on him. fie also asked where
and when he would see him. He, Sebold, answered this
letter, as he recalls, within the next few days and told
Dr. Qassner that he did not like his attitude; that he
did not like to deal with a mam who was afraid to put his
signature at the bottom ot a letter. The letter "faieh he
had received from Sr Gafter was signed, "Ball Hitler"
with a capital "0" written through the "Hell Hitler" and
the name "BR. GASSKER" was printed on one corner of the
stationery.
Be further told Dr Gassner in his, Seboldts, letter
that if he wanted to see him he should come to his noose
in Mulheia Ruhr*
SEBOLD will farther testify that he does mot recall
how many, but,be is sure that there were one or two more
xevi

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About Dr. Gassner called at bis, SEBQLD'S, ho*e, and he

August took him, Gassner, to a nearby restaurant, where they talk*
1939. ed. They had a discussion about airplanes, the LOCKHEED
and 00K5QLIBATED AIRCRAFT factories, boob sights, and se
forth* Be told Dr. Gassner that he had B O use for spies,
and wasted nothing to do with his, Gassner, however,
Gassner continued in the threatening attitude he had adopted
in hie previous letter, and he felt that for his own sake
he had better pat off Gassner as long as he could, and
suggested that he send ewiebody else to the ttaited States
to work out in the open, getting informtion, and pointed
cut that- l*rica was a free country and that It was not hard
to get around there*
Dr. Gassner wanted him, SEBQLD, to go to America and
act as an Agent* Be was afraid of being put in a concen-
tration eaao or done sway with so he told nr Qsssner that he
wanted to tfeisk the aatter over* Dr. Gaesner then said
that he would give hiH thirty days to ake up his Bind and
to write him when he had tl one so. During the next spprov*
isate ontii he weighed all of the various angles ef the
proposition and tried to decide whether he would accept, that
is, to act as a German Agent in America or whether he would
positively refuse to accept the proposition and take the
consequences*
(Friday) Be will further test: it he went to Cologne,
September 1, Germany, sad saw a the 0*
Ee told bin a l l affair,
ally refused to let fate si toe Consul* a

vaeion, and he obtained no satisfaction from the U.

Consul's office, so decided to see if be could not get out
of the country.
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He spent the night in Cologne, and the next morning,

September 2nd, he went to the railroad station but was
certain that he was being followed. He decided not to try
to leave from Cologne and took a street car to Duesseldorf.
There he sent a cablegram to his wife, telling her not to
be worried about anything that might happen in the future*

(Exhibit U 1 6 m 52) #

He had in his possession

letters, which he had shown
the U. S* Consul's office* . ^
copy of these, letters nor take possession of them. He,
SEBCLB; subsequently, while preparing to leave Germany,
de stroyed. them.

From Duesseldorf he took the train to Mulneim and on

September 2nd wrote a letter to Dr* Gassner, stating that
he was willing to accept his proposition 1QO5. Be decided
that this was the only course of action that lay open to
him as he could get no assistance in getting oat of Germany,
and was certain in his own mind that he would be destroyed
before he could leave Germany if he failed to accept their
proposition.

About He received a letter from DS* GASSBEE, requesting that

September 4> he come to the Betel Konopole in Mulheim Ruhr* He met
1939* fir. Gassner outside of the said hotel, spa from there took
him to the Haadelshof Hotel, k** they sat la the vsr of
the restaurant and talked.' .;.&$%.

this conversation Dr.

G&ssner and the organizations which he claimed to r e -

present, he told Dr. CEoBsner t h a i he was mtsriag to the
Handelshof Hotel*

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On or about He moved into the Handelebof Hotel*

September 5,
1939

On or about He prepared to go to the City Hall at Mulheim the

September 21, next day to f i l l out some forma in connection with work
1939. insurance or a work permit which would require that
he exhibit his American passport for identification
purposes* He made sure when he hung up his coat in his
hotel room that night that the passport was in his coat
pocket.
September 22, When he f e l t in his coat pocket he noticed that his
1939* passport and other identification papers were Kissing,
befor e(HH|^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^HJHP at Cologne, i s
which heaIsoae8cr^eaxn^circuBsTances surrounding
the loss of his passport*
(Exhibit U16-19).
On this same day, September 22, 1939, Dr. Qassner
brought a BR. RENKEH to the hotel, and introduced him*
He, Sebold, told Dr Gassner and Dr. Renken abeut his
passport disappearing. They expressed concern over the
matter and said that they could do nothing with him until
he had a passport in order to get out of the country. Dr.
Renken made a physical e*asdnatJLon of him at which time he
told Dr. Gassner that "he could not hurt a fly." This
statement is probably well founded as by this time he was
practically a physical wreck from worry about this matter*
Dr. Benkm fare him the address in Hamburg of ROTHENBAUMSCHASSE
13$, and told M B to write there as eoon as he was able to
get*

which
Hospital
OB or about He wrote a letter to the American Consul advising of the
September 29, disappearance of his passport.
1939*

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65-1819

September 30,
1939.
eived a letter fa
reading as follows:-
IK-
Sir:
Receipt is acknowledged of your letter of
September 29, 1939, stating that you lost
your American passport #598934*
Accordingly, you are advised to call at
the Consulate in person to make affidavit
explaining the circumstances in this case."
(Exhibit 1A16 - 55).

On or about He, SEBOLD, left the hospital and immediately went to

October 5, Cologne "here he applied to the American Consul for a pass-
1939. port. Reference is made to the affidavit mentioned above, 1 y
which he made before tra October 5th.
(Exhibit 1A16 - 19).
told him to obtain some photographs and to
come B office the next day.
October 6, He filed an application for a new passport. Reference
1939. is here made to the application dated October 6, 1939.
(Exhibit U16-19).
On the same day he returned to Hulheim and addressed a
l e t t e r to Dr. Renken at Hamburg, advising him that he had f i l e d
an application f o r a new passport and that he had been assured
by the Consul t h a t he would be able to obtain i t .
On or about He received a l e t t e r from Dr. Renken, dated October 7,
October 8,
1939. ; 'ia jaemorandoafof ;^j^,|pericMjPk!9aLsuI .Qeaeraljita ^ - ' ^ ^ ^ ^ * - ^ ^
of SUte, TTuBhington, D.C. concerning h i s ca^e. "

If you are 100% certain for us teaX you w i l l get

your passport, then i t w i l l probably be best for
you t o come up to Hamburg f i r s t , so t h a t I can
show you around my plant and you can g e t to know
the German methods of manufacture here. You
w i l l need at l e a s t ten days for t h a t .
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I jiould accordingly advise yw to
tip again* at the American Consulate two
weeks from now and to work at them and
if you then have the guarantee that you
are going to get your passport, then
let me know this at once and we will
arrange your transfer until your finaln
departure.

(Exhibit

On or about He again received a letter from Dr REMOH, from Hamburg,

October 16, asking him, SEPOLD, to go to Cologne and secure a Bulletin,
1939* which was being issued by the United States Consul there con-
cerning the repatriation of Americans, and to send him this
Bulletin at once*

On or about He, SEBQLD, went t o Cologne to the Consul's office, where

October 17, he asked for and received their Bulletin on Repatriation of
1939. Americana*
At this tine he told the United States Consul about what
had happened to hist; that he was going to go through with the
request they had made of him in order that he could reach
America where he would tell the fall details f what had
transpired to the U. S. Government officials.
He returned to Mulheim and mailed the documents in a
Registered letter to Dr. Benken in Hamburg. This is verified
by the exhibit of a Registered receipt #244 covering a document
of no money worth" sent to Dp* Benken in Hamburg from Mulheim

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%m
and taking action on getting his-passport but he did hot see
Dr. Renken again in Uulheim* He did not again see Dr. GASSNER
after the time he was introduced to Dr. Renken on September
22nd.
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On o r about 1939,
November 14, at Cologne,
1939.
* Tilth reference to your application for a new American
passport executed at this office on October 6, 1939* you
are informed that the Department of State has new authorized
the issuance of a passport to be valid only for your
immediate return to the United States* It is> therefore,
respectfully requested that you call at this Consulate at
your early convenience."

(Exhibit 1AU6~58).
As ha, SEBOLD, recalled, i n the next day or two, he
went tc Cologne to the Consulate where he was told that the
passport would not be delivered to his until he could show
two hundred dollars in American money with which he would
be able to purchase a t i c k e t . He returned to Mulheim and
immediately wrote a l e t t e r to Dr Renken setting out t h e
circumstances.

On or about A nan who subsequently introduced himself as HUGO SEBOLD

December 6, walked into his hotel room i n Mulheim, l a t e a t night. He,
1939. Sebold, was i n bed asleep and awakened to see Hugo standing
by the bed* Hugo introduced himself and told him that he want-
ed to see him the next morning* He also s t a t e d that he wanted
him, S e bold, to quit his job at the SIEMANS-SCHUCKERT-&5QE
and get ready to go back t o America*

On or about HUGO SEBOLD mat him on the stairway of the hotel and
December 7, went with him to the SIEMAHS-6CHUCKEKWB5UCE plant} that upon
1939. approaching the g a t e , Huge displayed h i e credentials t o t h e
guard, aa old soldier, who immediately snapped to attention,
s a l u t e d and addressed him, Hugo, a s RAUPMaN SA8SEL or SANDERS,
o r s o a e s i m i l a r n a m e , w h i c h means, CAIfAIHSANDKL 11 <or - /.

of vm^m&v&m? ^m-^sm-iMr^^mm
- * * - J.
recommendation, but which i s i l l e g i b l e aad whose name he does
not now recall* The General Manager then called i n h i s ,
WILLIAM SEBOLD*S, immediate superior.

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HUGO SEBOLD showed these two sen bis, credentials from

the German High Command. Hugo demanded that they imraediate-
ly honorably release him, TELlliam Sebold, from hie position,
which resulted in the letter of recommendation being written
for him and his immediate release from his duties at the
plant*
(Exhibit 16.16 - 55)#
After leaving SIEiMNS^CHUCOKTJSERXE, Hugo and he
spent considerable tine together, drinking aid talking about
things in America* Hugo spent practically all of his
conversation on his deeds in America* They chiefly concerned
his travels and his occupation as a dishwasher, and so forth,
all of which he, WILLIAM SEBQLD, now thinks were false*
Huge told him that as soon as he obtained his passport he
was to cose to Han burg and that his expenses would be paid*
He further stated that upon his arrival in Hamburg he
should go to live at the KLOPSTOCK PENSIOW.
He then asked him about his experience in radio, and
whether he knew anybody working with radio in America* He
told Hug* that he had a very good friend who had a r adio
station there. Hugo left early the next aorviBg. He did not
hear anything for about three weeks during which time he
spent practically all of his tine in his hotel room trying
to keep out of sight and during this time worried a great
deal. He also lost a great deal of weight and became very
sick*
Finally he could stand the suspense so longer, and
wrote a letter to Dr RENKEH asking hia what was the Batter,
and why he had been left stranded as he had, and further
told his that he was out of money as a result of their
forcing him to leave hia job. He immediately received a
letter bade telling M * that f200 was being deposited at
the AMERICAN EXPRESS AGENCY in Amaterdaa for his passage
On or about , tfpon receipt 5 o f 0r Benten*s'le,ttr ^ l r \
January 2, Consulate and .told h i s that a friend o f h i s i n Holland w a s
1940.' getting $ 2 0 0 for him. The Consulate already had received
notice that $200 was on deposit with the Express Company
in Amsterdam for him. The Consul then gave him a certif-
icate to take to the Holland American Line to secure steam**
ship passage* This certificate is in the f3t

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This c e r t i f i c a t e i s dated at Cologne, January 2,

1939 (194Q) and bears the seal of the American Consul*
ate* It states:

Certificate*
The American Consulate at Cologne has been informed
by the American Express Company at Amsterdam that it
holds the SOB of $200 for the credit of Mr. SEBQLD,
Handelshof, Mulheim-Ruhr*

(Exhibit U1659)
He went to the Holland American Line and made the
arrangements to leave for America on one of their ships*
He then returned to the American Consulate and was told that
the Consul had changed his Bind and that he should s a i l on
a U.S. line ship from Genoa as the Holland liners had to
pass through mine f i e l d s .

The Consul then refused to issue a passport u n t i l he,

Sebold, bad obtained a steamship t i c k e t .

On or about ^ B f l ffJ^|^^gHP*MalssaflHHfl[
January 4, J H H H m B B ^ ^ L ^ ^ I ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ o ^ ^ r g B W v a t i o n s on a
1940* u*Silner. lBjHH||HPP>ffice he paid for a telegram
which was sent totheAmerTcan Express Company In
Amsterdam, for money in payment for the t i c k e t .
_ _ _ _ ^ ^ ^ > B M W jld him, Sebold, that as soon as he received
the money he would issue a ticket* He, Sebold, then return-
ed to Molheim.

January 5, He paid his b i l l at the Handelshof Hotel, which cover-

1940* ed the period of January 1, jto and including January U ,

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> H^ did this as lie expected to sail on t h f t ' s . S .

MAHHATT&H"oa January 15tb. He--thought thattoewould have
to leave Muiheia about the 11th in order ^to make^e
boat. He Immediately wrote a letter to Dr. Renken that he
intended to s a i l on the S.S. MANHATTAN on January 15th,
He received a prompt reply from Tjr. Renken that he could ,
not leave that soon as he would have to come to Hamburg at j
once for training. In Dr. Renken's letter there was money to j
pay for his train fare to Hamburg* \

January 7, He received a l e t t e r in German on the stationery of the

1940. Tj. S. lines, dated at Cologne, January 6, 1940 which,
when translated, reads as follows: \
B
Regarding S.S. Manhattan January 15, 1940 from Genoa.
With reference to your visit on the 4th of this month
I hereby report that I today received from the U* S. i
lines in Hamburg report that a good reservation has been
made for you on the above steamer. As to our communication
to the American Express Company in Amsterdam oa the 4th of
this month, I wait on Monday more particulars as well as a (
cheek for the $200. After this arrives I will send you a
steamship ticket. For the completion of the questionnaire I I
request that you give me the number, place of issue and the
date of your passport as soon as you receive it from the
American Consul. Oft the basis of the passport you will
receive through a bank in Mulheim $10 for Reichsaarks which
you should order as soon as you receive the passport* !
There is no purpose in ordering Lire as in Genoa you would '
still have to pay the embarkation fee of $1.00. {
Besides this you must obtain for yourself from the police
headquarters through German permit to leave the country*
The Italian visum is sot necessary for African dtiaens.

Cologne
Domkloster 2
In the Savoy Hotel*
(Exhibit U16 60).
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10, St, mmum 5__U>, took a t r a i a to laaeurg aad

1940. iiwf41^i#?T voa% t o tho j_o&otook l_-riLoa. wboro a s
rogittorot. Tboro bo roooivo* a tol
aUting tact at aoa atolophonoeall ______
8 wont to aoo WQOOJimii^j^ tola Bago that bo
thVt to-agraa t i i a t | H H H P l - u i faonod aia. Hso
Clog. out th*t
ULLUM SEBOLD'S,
Ma a to
to pick pastpert aai tlokt.
jamas? 11* 8 WB& W Cadogiw and a bit ticket on
1940. t h . S . S . 1ASRIR0T0II,
**

12, i t w.ni to tha Aatrisaa Conl, ami the*** him

1940. 8t*sttiip t i e k t t . ftai CB1 *k4 for
btfert'fet wottl4 i t s s t *
n t w t d pbotogr&phs of hlmtlf, rotarao^. to
1940. Otural, ad wa* iat4 a pttaport. 8* tol*
the Aatsitia Contul ttet h Had t pick up w
oa tho nay to Qosoa, aai tlutt lit mntoi to bo s o t
rrivml l a tho BfcltW Stats*.
Aftor too roooivo* h i s pootport ho oat to Mnlhol*
for a Aoy or two, OA4 ttwa rotitnod to Hbwrg l a ho
j B | c | l l a a ^ L a | | f j M i os Mm msf tlsroagli CologAo aad gavo
P l i o iaf enatioft blch b roqu.Ud Ua hit
lottort of ^wi7 6th aad 13t. Tt lattor noto rooatt-

X Afftia roqvost fmm poMfMtrt , ploso of

lttot# dato, i a ordor that X eoaploto ttoo
toottiomoiro. I look fontard to fiol oottl-
ost of tho mttor aad eloso

'*. * -\

U16 . 62),

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On or about He, WJLLIAM SEBQED, was in Hamburg living at the Klop

January 16, >** Pension, and engaged for about an hour each day at
to Hugo Seboldfs offiee where he was trained in the operation
January 18, of a lelca camera, telegraphic work, telegraphic and radio
1940. codes. Be was handed about 50 Marks a day for his expenses.
January 19, He returned to Ifulheim and wound up his personal
affairs.
January 22, He returned to Hamburg, reregistered at the KLopstock
1940. Pension and from then on until January 26th he was in train-
ing at Hugo Sebold's office. He spent his time there in
studying the staking of aicrophotographs practicing codes,
receiving radio instructions and instructions on how to
behave in the United States.
January 26, Hugo Sebold gave him $1,000*00 in American currency,
1940. #500 in $10 bills and 1500 in $5 bills.
(Exhibit 1A18-28)
The $500 in $10 bills was to be delivered to EVERETT
ROEDER, 210 Smith Street, Merriok, L.I. N.I.
He was farther instructed to obtain a radio transiting
outfit and to study the Morse code in order that he could
relay messages to Germany. Along this line it was also
suggested that he arrange to contact some amateur broadcaster
in the United States in order that he might become familiar
with radio transmlttal work. He was to adopt and use the name
"HARRY S A w m * in his work* While HUGO was giving him these
instructions Dr. REHKHt walked into the room and took a ehairj
nearby* EEHKEH listened for awhile and then casually handed
hi* a slip of paper on which was written the address of
LANG. 59-36 70th Avenne, Wbodridg., L. I*, c/e L. C.
B J 7 R H K E I W W hi* to record the address in his '
book and to tmtam this slip of paper to RENKEH. WSSM said
that LAKG was a friend of his and that he should look him up
give him the message -Greetings from EANTZATJ, Berlin

provided irith-apoAlUon in C^rirfnyi also that LaBG

return by way of Japan.
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Then RENKEN kidded him about the spy. work he was going to do
in America. He jokingly replied that he might surprise RENKEN and bring
back the famous American bomb-sight. RENKEN said he' would not have to
bother with that as they already had that bomb-sight oat of Brooklyn.
(Notes Lang*s residence is in Brooklyn).
RENKEN then asked him if he knew what kind of a factory L. C.
NORDEN Company have. He said that he had never heard of the name before.
RENKEN merely smiled and left.
HUGO tore out of a note book a page of addresses which he handed
to him and told h1n> that he should copy these, which were*
COL. FRITZ DUQUESNE, LILLI STEIN,
c/o Air Terminals 127 East 54th Street.
17 E. 42nd Street
HERMAN LANG, EVERETT ROEDER
59-36 70th Are, 210 Smith Street,
Woodridge, Lil* N-.Y. Merrick, L.I. N.T.
c/o L. C ? NORDEN
*C. S. H U G , "TRIim,
Szecnuan Road, ;
Schanchwi, China.

(Exhibit II18-19)
It will be noted the name LANG was included which had been
given him by RENKEN.
These names he wrote on a sheet of paper.
, :,. (Exhibit 1*18-06) -,
He was also instructed tfca^HB(H((^
the event-ifre HJnited State**-MtV&'^ggO^yiimm. - v t. '*" ; '
HUGO also handed him five microphotographs and pointed out
that there were numbers on the backs of three of these microphotographs.
He said that these numbers represented the first letter of the name of
the individual to whom the micropho to graph was to be given and that M the
numbers represented the letters W
in the alphabet, namely, the number 4 H
was for DUQOESNEj number "14 for ROEDER and "15" for STEIN. (Note that
the letters *Rn and n S B are the 18th and 19th letters in the alphabet
instead of 14th and 15th.) These numbers had already been written on

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the hen they were handed t o him. Hugo pointed out that
the "tiip" ffilcropbotographg -were for h i s , SEBOID'S personal
instructions.
HUGO then handed him a strong linen tester type of magnifying
glass and told him to take a look at the aicrophotographs which he did.
He recalls that each of the numbered microphotographs contains a series
of questions asking for technical information and naming such sources
as the Bell Telephone Coapany, the International Telephone and Telegraph
Company in connection with bombing equipment! also reference to anti-
aircraft guns and bacterial warfare*
With reference to the unnumbered microphotographs he recalls
that one of them contained instructions concerning radio transmission.
The other unnumbered microphotograph contained his personal instructions
as to his movements in New York', how to contact STEIN, ROEDER and
BUQUESNE and what to say when he saw them*
At this same time HUGO handed M a a microscope which has
about a fifty power magnification and placed on the slide of the micro-
scope a very small dot which HUGO pointed out and which he was able
to read containing about a fifty irord message* He does not recall
the contents of -this message in the dot. However, HUGO said that he
should watch out for these pencil point dots in any communications
which he received from Gewaay,
He was further instructed to join the XATIOHAL GUARD for
the purpose of finding out about firearms, and the latest designs in military
equipment. He was farther instructed to observe ship movements, newspaper
clippings and anything pertaining to military purposes, and that COLONEL
FRITZ DUQDESNE was the individual in New York City who was in charge of
the activities of the German Agents there.
Be was furnished with instructions as to the method he was to use
in notifying the individuals in Germany as to his arrival and concerning
his address in this country.
HUGO showed M a bow to conceal the five aicrophotogr.aphs in the

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: The $500 in | 5 b i l l s was to be used by himself f o r

expenses during h i s passage t o the United States, and to purchase a I*ica
camera "and radio sending equipment after arriving i n the United S t a t i c .
He was further instructed that three days after his
arrival he was to send a cablegram t o HUGO SEBOID, 2 KLopstock s t r . ,
Hamburg, Germany, using his true name of HILLI&M G. SEBOID, and giving
a f i c t i t i o u s address. If he was suspicious of being under surveillance,
at the titnB, he was to state, wAa in doctor^ care." After an additional
lapse of fourteen days he was instructed t o obtain lodging under the name
of HAEBX SAWYER, and t o contact D0QJESNE, STEIN, LANG and BOEDER, in accord-
ance with his previous instructions.
He was further instructed t o refrain from contacting
Germans i n the United States, and t o stay out of the Torkville section of New
York City.
During -his instruction he received from DR. RBJKEH
instruction concerning writing names and other information in books, by plac-
ing dots under l e t t e r s o n certain pages. (See HAKKIKS ELECTRICAL GUIDE #6,)
(Exhibit 1A16 - 4 ) .
He will identify and describe a sketch which he, SEBOLD,
made of the location of the office of Hugo Sebold in the building and i t s
location with respect t o the Police Presidium on Glockengiehser Hall, which
he believes i s the name of the s t r e e t and the relation of these buildings t o
the Pension Klopstock.
(Exhibit 1A16 - 63).
He has also made a sketch as to the location of Sebold1 s
office in the building on the fourth floor, front.
He states that while he was receiving his training from
HUGO no one else was in the office. The only exceptions are the following :-
: 5 --. ,. flng^ir.^|-,i|;tt|fii ^ Bogo w t t ' o { . i l i | , ^ ^ N ; / a i .
into the police s t a t i n <^ & en^ J^
. ;* -V. "/ wjStfijfa^^ tp^Jtei^S^#gB^i>.*&. i^fjfcfoSced -%J- ',*jl
': ', .' , " ' ol4 M^'rflMFtit naae J does; iSoi. acgia.lV;--Ifego""tytw'tfrMk! ^ ^ M j i k Y A l i u Q r ^ ^ .4| J ' ! J
practi4 **m&rft-mA^9^^'^*^m-*timMi> Icey* ,ttftrinWwnm*" **
in Hugo*s presence, "If you AR do_eyerything. else that well you are O.K."

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HUGO then took him, WILLIM SEBOLD, out of the place.
The only other occasion was "hen be was taken into the
PaLice Department i n the Foreigner Control Section. There a sharp-ttosed,
dry^buiaore^'i^vatittal who was about 32 years old, aedina build, and an
expert photographer, explained'to him the working a of the Leica camera,
that i s , the loading, timing, and sp forth. He was with t h i s mm about
fifteen minutes. Hugo then took him back to his own office' and4 showed him
how t o photograph a blueprint with the Leica camera. He demonstrated this
by pinning the blueprint on the wall, and lighting i t up with some ordinary
desk laaps. He put some extension on the Leica lens, however.
HUGO also showed him how to make micropho to graphs. He
had a stand which held the Leica and the instrument which held the Leica
slid up and down on a perpendicular rod, that i s , the focal distance was
adjustable. The documents were laid on the base of the stand, and covered
with a glass. After Hugo had the size of the document he checked in a book
ifcich he had, which gave him the dL stance the camera should be from the
documents, and the amount of time which should be given. After he had set
the camera according t o the book, he took a few pictures and then had him,
WILLIAM SEBOIiD, make a few photographs. These photographs turned out a l l
right. Huge then loaned him a Leica camera for the entire time that he was
in Han&mrg and told him "to take plenty of pictures in order to get used to
i t s operation. However^ he simply took a few photographs around the Alster
and of objects which had no particular interest. He also took the Leica to
pictures inside the place. He tried to take photograph
told her that he wanted to take her picture to New
. She refused to l e t him, saying she oould not
afford to have that picture taken. This Indicated to him that they might
check the pictures he took so he left the film in the camera. The day he
left Hamburg he handed the camera back to Hugo with the negatives s t i l l in
the camera.
There was no one else in training with him, at l e a s t ,
not directly as far as he knows, although he believes that other individuals
living at the pension Klopstock were called in Hugo*s office, or to related
offices, for daily instructions as he overheard, on sev|ra^oc^^^ns, the
telephone ring and then heard either HBS. (5EQRGK G U ^ f l H H H I j ^ K a l l some-
one t o the phone, or t e l l someone that the car would b e t h e r e a i a certain
hour to pick them up.

!! -l^
;-TOchwiWyoii 4s%;VgL||a
; ware engagftd lkfc*%Bft-***ti'iriiffMJi
. ring, either |^' j^|^^HH|^^^'ota^a^l^ ; ^ -plw^aiS. uld^

" Hie party d e s l r ^ ' t o ike phone. 'No' names iMWfiR8>iJfeW"^ft indlfiaftal"
whor was called to the phone would then leare the house. He observed that
sometimes they would return a f t e r a day or two, and sometimes when this man
or woman returned, they would make a general statement about having been to
Holland or^f^^tf^g^xakta. He personally would be called to the phone by
Mrs. Gu1^^|HH||^^^HBQ^^ewould take a message from Hugo or on some
occasiori^Brs^^t^^mPim^Duld say that the car would be waiting
outside at 10*00 A.M. or 10:30 AM.
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Usually a l i of the activities were very mysterious

to him. He engaged in ease cc^rersations with GBDRGE GTJT who appeared
to him to be disgusted.itth t h e whole matter.;. Gut wanted to g> back
to the United States and offered to s e l l him the Pension. However, he
noted that Gut acted more or less as a servant around the house. He
simply peeled potatoes or helped with the cooking or cleaning, and
occasionally took the family out to a concert idiere he would be one of the
numbers on the groypam^^^Hhoueh^tteyd^^rio^^ake any definite statements,
the whole matterwa^about^TneyjSceiveamone^trom a MR, MEIER for board
and room for the people in the Pension. They told him that Meier was a
hard man t o deal with, and was always trying to cut down on the amount of
money they -would get for the rooms. Meier also handed money to him, SiBOLDj
while he was at Hamburg. He stated he received no money directly from
Hugo.
His training schedule was usually from 10:00 to 11:00
A.M.; then he would be off-for the rest of the day except that on one or
two occasions HUGO and DR. SMKEN took him out far dinner and a drink. /"'
He estimates that he spent only about ten hours in actual training in
Hamburg.
He does not recall any statements made by Dr. Renken or
Hugo or anyone else about materials already received from America, or inform-
ation developed by their agents in America. They made no comments to him
whatever about this except on one occasion.
On about the l a s t day he tried to give them a good
impression of his intentions, and told them that upon his arrival in America
he was going to get them the famous Bomb Sight whereupon DR. RENKEN replied
that he would not have to trouble himself about that as they already had the
Bomb Sight. Hugo was present at t h i s tine and they both smiled when this
statement was made.
WILLIAM SEE OLD will also identify the photograph of
NICK0L6.US RTTTHR as being that of DR. RBJKEN.

(Exhibit U5327 13).

dentify ^
GB3RGE G U H i ^ ^ ^ M B B P a s being
beingthethe person, he obaervfd at,
who operated the %h * " '' ;'" ' *-**-*.'**---'
(Exhibit U513 - 1) u
(Exhibit 1A514 - 1 and 3).
(Exhibit U54? - 1 ) .

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After finishing the instructions on January 26, 1940 | ;

HUGO'S office, he took all of the materials and money which fBGffKlK
had given hi to tte KJcpstock Pension and recorded the addressfeo ,
for his own use. He then placed the slip of paper from Dr. Henkeh
with Lang's address on it and the slip of paper from HUGO idth the
various addresses on it in an envelope which he handed to Krs. GOT
and told her to deliver this envelope to HUGO. He spent the night
of January 26th at the KLopstock Pension.
On the morning of January 27, 1940, he went to Altona,
Hamburg, where he took a train to Munich. No one accompanied him
on this trip and he is not certain that anyone followed. He arrived
in Munich that same night about dinner time and waited for a few
hours for his train. About 10 p.m. on January 27th he boarded an
Italian sleeper train for Milan, Italy, via Brenner Pass.
On January 28th about noon he changed trains in the morning
and took a train to Genoa* He arrived in Genoa on Sunday, January
28th, about the late .afternoon and took a room in the Hotel Britania.
He stayed at that hotel for the night and the next morning, Monday,
January 29th, after clearing Customs and going through the formalities
of his passport, etc. he boarded the S. S. "laSHINGTON" and sailed
for New York.
After leaving HUGO'S office in Hamburg he was not contacted
by any of the organisations who had assisted in his instructions in
Hamburg in espionage activities nor did he see any of the people whom
he had seen in connection with that training.

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January 29, Be sailed on the S.S, WASHJjeTCH from Genoa for the
1940* Tjnited States*
Be will farther testify that when the S.S WASHINGTON
arrived in Tfew York Harbor February 6, 1940 and before it
pier, he was contacted by Special Agents
of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and
the U. S. State Department*
He briefly outlined a portion of what had happened,
to then, and was asked if he were willing to come to the
office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, which he
agreed to do.
Accordingly, upon leaving the boat, and reaching the
pier, he was again contacted by the above Agents and driven
to the U. S. Court House Building in lower Manhattan, and
taken to the office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation
where he told, in substance, the story already repeated
and turned ov&r to Agents his watch, in the rear of which
the fivetnicrophotographs were concealed; the two leather
pouches of money, one containing $500 in $10 bills which he
was to pay over to EVERETT ROBBER, the other containing
$410 in $5 bills, which he was to use for his own expensesj.
the book entitled, "AIL THIS AND HE&VEN TOO", and the
book entitled, "HrVHKBE ELECTRICAL GUIDE", and other papers
in his possession.

Photographs were Bade of the nicrophotographs showing

them in their approximate original size and then in an
enlarged fora*
He will testify that he compared these photographs with
the originals. He will identify and introduce the photo**
graphs into evidence. On the oicrophotograph which was to
be delivered to FRITZ DUQUESNE appears the number R4"
The contents of this microphotograph read aa follows:-*

1* Find <nx%
Find nx% if 3^i^o,Ta#nftiiifaS t
heve offered to Prench 'and English Government
< procedxtre':if# boabing Irfaich**&&*& folloi**?
The aifplaiie i i directed X? eoJ&'sort o
the target and crosses.a- second ray shortly before -~ .'.
reaching the target by which the bombs will be released.**
Try to get hold of a l l particulars pertaining t o the
construction of the device, and find out how i t has
worked in tests and whether there have been nego>
tiations in the French and English Governments, with
the view of selling i t t o them. "-,.
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2. There is said to be a branch factory of the French plant

of 'Potes* at Montreal. Find out the oxact location,
type of aircraft manufactured (Petes 56 and 65?). Are they building
fighters (pursuit planes?) How many are they turning out per week?
How many employees?

warfare* IS" he connected with the Chemical Warfare Service and the
Chemical Armament Industries? i s he an officer, active or i a the
reserves of chemical warfaretaroogsT^^jeissuppoBed te have developed
a new means of p r o t e c t i e & f l H H H H H H H | ^ with which cloth
uniforms f. i . i s impregnaxOl^R^sxhecBemical make-up of the new
protection? Is i t s t i l l being tested by the Army or have orders for i t
already gone to the Chemical Industry* If so, to what firms and to what
extent.

<U Find out everything possible about new developments in the ^

line of anti-aircraft-^uns. We want to know the weight of
the gun in firing position* (four-legged crossHaouatlng), caliber*
weight of the shell, weight of the cartridge, muscle velocity, highest
elevation, range, vertically and horizontally, firing speed, fire
control. Manufactured by whom, and for how many? Delivery dates?
Give particulars about gun manufacturing firms, name and location,
how many employees, work capacity.
5. i s there any-*rbere in the States an anti-drcraft shell
with so-called "Electric Eye" being manufactured? If so,
find out everything you can about the experiences gained i n tests*
Especially the caliber of the shell, how has the complicated inside
mechanism reacted to the firing-of f-ahock? Weight of the powder charge?
I s Idie shell being fired by anti-aircraft guns or are there any special
designs needed for firing them, like firing rockets. How does the
"Electric Eye" shell compare with the usual anti-aircraft shell. - J Jr-
How are the not-exposed shells being rendered harmless before reachiag

.-tiie airplane in order to be exploded by action of the

Get cepy of

7* K*ep as up-to-date on all developments in the aircraft

industry. Always keep an eye at all that is going ea at the
leading aircraft plants, especially Curtiss, North America Aircraft,
Glenn Martin, Douglass, Boeing, United Aircraft, Lockheed and the lead-
ing motor plants, especially Wright and Pratt & Whitney.
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Hew designs*. etraight^Uaiae-*etora or radial, with r without super-

charges, and a l l particulars as to performance, structural changes,
d . s . e . (?) orders placed, by whoa, and for how many? Delivery dates?
8* The Bell Corporation i s said to have developed a cable for
high frequency service up to 150 kiloher* (ks) Probably
symetric or coaxial atyreflex-cable, outer diameter 10-15 centiaeters
(cm) Find out i f i t has been introduced into the American Army, in
what frequency range i t i s used, structure of cable, diameter, covering
and capacity of conduction. In what lengths i s i t being used, surface
or underground? How are the different lengths being connected with
each other? What do the plugs look like? Is there any special equip-
ment for laying the cable? Get hold of a sample.
9* What i s new about anti-fog devices? Exact description*
10. What ia new about bacteriological warfare from airplanes?
All d e t a i l s .
12 Find out a l l about new gas mask developments and give
details.
13. What i s new about the trench crusher? Is i t being manufactured
on a large seals, and by whoa? Orders placed by whoa and
for how many? Delivery dates?

14. Send catalogues of receiving and sending tubes and radie

receivers and radio senders, when of interest for army
communication technique. We want several copies of Radio Operators*
Manual, General Electric Co, transmitting tubes of the RCA and Receiving
Tube Manual of the RCA.
15* What became of new
flying boats, which
Pertaining to Sperry Range Finders, find out if, .the latest
range'lfiBder -is equipped to register ^jmiai$^ik^^mm: and how

aircraft with personnel of the TJSA Aray and Xavy as eaaou-

flaged Volunteer Corps. "Report"laaediately when there-are any signs
of mobilisation like calling up of volunteers, establishment of Draftisig '
Offices and calling in of reserve officers and reservists on a large
scale, shipment or take-off of USA units and shipping of large amounts
of war-aaterlals out of US Aray and Navy store to Europe. State name
of steamer and date of departure. Use attached code for cable reports.

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18. The Curraz (?) Corporation, Maiden, Mass. has

developed a new metal cleaning compound.
Description in "Aviation", Volume 38, of August, 1939* page
49* Get sample.
"(Ho item #11). *
Not in microphetegraph.

Tme microphotograph which was to be delivered te

EVERETT ROEDER, 210 Smith Street, Merrick, L.I. bears en its back
the number "15" and is found to contain the following instructions:-

1. Find put if International Telephone and Telegraph

Company have offered to French and English governments a
new procedure of bombing which works as follows: The airplane is
directed by some sort of ray against the target and crosses a second
ray shortly before reaching the target by which the bombs will be
released. Try to get hold of all particulars pertaining to the
construction of the device, and find out how it worked in test,
and whether there have been negotiations fa the French and
English governments with the view of selling it to them*
2* There is said to be a branch factory ef 'Fetes* at
Montreal* Find out the exact location, type of aircraft
manufactured, (Potes 56 and 65?)* Are they buildiag fighters
(pursuit planes)? How many are they taming out per week? How
many employees?
Find ou
of the
Serric. aa| tr ck^eal ar**mt induatrie.? Is he >n office,

... aw ^ J a p ; f *I xs nwpe^^y
make tip of the new protection^ Is i t s t i l l being
tested by the army or nave orders for i t already gene to the chemical
industry? If so, t o what firms and -to what extent.
4. Find out everything possible about new developments
in the line of anti-aircraft guns. I want to know
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tao sttfht f tht H I ia.

o l r r t t l o a , r o a s t , jififiatpjr; mm'\W?->
f jRUfo' sonttfoX, ajluHtfk9%wN4i ^BJT wao^
and for hew muqrt 4atMf OIT* j r t i c l a r s obot gaa
JHMRHtwVjwflVISJBJ^W^^Bpt4P*IP4IH| # w l l *HVS9

In tMs SWt aa
irith lctrio
If M> fiA4 eut tri7^in ycru can ia
tsic, pteiaUjr th calibrt f ill* ttell* 8or hat th
chiuxlMi r*ct4 ia tb* firing sff hotT Weight of
ahtll b g f d Q l f
Q 8igna pi4 for ftrlng, llk firiig
Bow do* th ltric j* bll c<Ma}Mun with %km usual tti
fcircrAft tteUf Wm f Urn not wtploif* ilwlls teing
banilaaa bfor roiiinf tha rtht Saw msgr iUr or ft#t wist
pro4ctil W ditnt tram th* sdrplan* in ordr to be
action of Use roflot4
dot oopy of Baroowr b
lav*
7* Kp op-to-4Ut i a a l l 4V1QPMBU i n tbo alrorait
iaotuiUy. JOsragr* icop a / oa a l l Uaiai i s lag o a t
th loasiAg alrorAft gilukXM capwduOlgr CurU Jtoria AMria Airoraft,
Martin, SotigUs, Boin, Salts* Aircraft, i*ektt** an tbo
tor pl*nU, poci*Hy iriffBt *4 Prtt A Mtny, BOT
d8l&i, atxAiilJt-la-lla* awtors or radial, vita or siiboot supor*
ehargor o4 31 porttcuUra at to ptrforaaaoa, trtttral
F.S.O. Orttort pl*ced b/ winat, nd for aov aaxrjrf WLirorr
6. Th>* B#H Corporatiaa i *&id to b*v covolopoi a emblo
fer Wgh froqatacr/ corrioo up to 150 kilt3rs (ko).
Probably sjratotrlc or coaxial tjroXlx - eabi*. Onior 41aaotor
ooaUaotors (c). Fifid ot i f i t h u b t n Intaro4aotf Into t)>o
vhtt freqwinar rmag i t

onaooto* with .Mh cth.r? ^

cpcil oqoijaMBt for iftjrtag tho o&blot 0*t aoltf of a

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what i s new about anti-fog devices? K*C$ description.

10* Tfcat i s new about bacteriological narfaro fron airplanes? ; \
All d e t a i l s . ' " .->.. ...'- *; . '.>;.TV

11. Find out a l l particulars about the rubber lined fuel

task developed by Glenn Martin, particularly the kind of
rubber used, the swelling capacity of that rubber, and how the one
or several layers of rubber adhere to each other and to the metal.
The main question i s : Doe* the protective robber layer close the
puncture, if hit by a bullet entirely er not? If this is not the
case, the matter i s of no interest to us.
12. Find out all about new gas mask developments and give
details.
13* Send catalogues of receiving and sending tubes and radio
receivers and radio senders, when of interest for aray
cwBKunicatAon technique. Ye want several copies of radio operators
manual. General E l e c t r i c Company. Transmitting tubes of the RCA and
receiving tube manual of the RCA* ,
14. Try to get photographs of toe remote control of machine
gun sights, and a l l available data en the desigm*
15. Find out if there are going to Europe whole units er
single aircraft with personnel of the TJ.S.A. Army and Nary
as camouflaged volunteer corps. Report immediately when there are
any signs of mobilisation, like calling up of volunteers, establish-
ment of drafting offices and calling in of reserve officers and
reservists on a large scale, shipment or take-off of USA units, and
shipping of large amounts of war material out of U.S. Arry or
Navy s t o r e s t o Europe. Watch name of steamer and date of departure*
Use attached code for cable reports.

16. The Curras Corporation, Maiden, Massachusetts has developed

a new metal cleaning compound, description i s "Aviation",
Volume 36 of August 1939* page 49 Get sample. * ; . *

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Th icropbtogrph bearing the number 16 en ito bwk

was to be delivered to L H U STEH, 027 East 54tb Street, and when t h i .
photograph was enlarged or examine* under a magnifying glaaa i t was found
te read as follows*

1. Find out if International Telephone & Telegraph Co. have

offered to French and English Governments a new procedure
of bombing which works as follows: The airplane is directed by some
sort of ray against the target and crosses a second ray shortly
before reaching the target by which the bombs will be released.- Try
to get hold of all particulars pertaining to the construction of
the device, and find out how it teas worked in tests, and, whether
there hare been negotiations with the French and English Government*
with the view of selling it to them.
2. There is said to be a Branch Factory of the French plant
of 'Foteft* at Montreal, Find out the exact location,
type of aircraft manufactured (Fote* 56 and 65?) Are they building
fighters (pursuit planes)? How many are they turning out per week?
How many employees?
you can about
USA., an expert for chemical warrare. Is he
connected with the Chemical Warfare Service and the Chemical Armament
industries? I s he an officer, active or in the reserves of chenical
warfare trooDa^^Jle^^yurarafi^^o have developed a new means of
impregnated.inIa^^stnec5emTcal make-up of the now protection?
Is i t s t i l l being tested by the Army or have orders for i t already
gone to the Chemical Industry? If so, to what firms and to what
extent?
4 Find out everything possible about mew developments in the
line of a n t i a i r c r a f t guns. We want to know the weight of
^

many employees, work capacity*

5 Is there any-rhere in the States an anti-aircraft shell
with so-called "Electric Eye" being manufactured? If so,
find out everything you can about the experiences gained in t e s t s .
Especially the caliber of the shell. How has the complicated inside
mechanics reacted to the firing-off shock? Weight of the powder charge?

C
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27

Is the shell being fired by anti-aircraft guns or are there any

special designs needed for firing them, like firing rockets.
How does the "Electric Eye1* shell compare Kith the usual anti-
aircraft shell? Roir are the not-exploded shells being rendered
harmless before reaching the earth? How many meters or feet oust
the projectile be distant from the airplane in order to be
exploded by action of the reflected ray?
6. Keep us up-to-date on all developments in the aircraft
industry. Always keep an eye on all that is going on at
the leading aircraft plants, especially Curtis s, North America
Aircraft, Glenn Martin, Douglas, Boeing, United Aircraft, Lockheed
and the leading motor plants, especially Wright and pratt & Whitney.
New designs, straight-in-line-ootors or radial, with or without
supercharger and all particulars as to performance, structural
changes b.s.c fjrders placed by whom, and for how nany? Delivery
dates?
7* What is new about bacteriological warfare from airplanes?
All details.
8. Find out if there are going to Europe whole units er single
aircraft with personnel of the TEA Army and Nary as
camouflaged Volunteer Corps. Report immediately when there are any
signs of mobilization like calling up of volunteers, establishment
of Drafting Offices and calling in of officers and reservists en a
large scale, shipment or take-off of DBA units and shipping of large
amounts of warnaaterials out of US Army and Navy stores to Europe. State
name of steamer and date of departure. Use attached cede for cable
reports.
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. - The s&crophotograph containing a double colttan of

type, which Tjears no number on the back, is one pertaining to the instruct-
ions as to the time and Banner in which SEBOLD was to contact the three
persons above named* This document is in German, and when translated,
reads as follows:
it
1. m N7 first locate residence, eight days remain quiet,
heed incidental observation. Passport extension not to
be forgotten (Treasury Building, Wall Street.)
2
Then establish contact with S through following letter
in the German language*
"K7 dear Hiss
have wet your friend HEUJRICH and I have regards from
in Grinzing to extend to you* I shall be glad if I can
em personally and beg you to advise me of the time and place
where I can meet you."
Signature (P,0. Box Ho
arrange for at Main ffest
Office, City Hall Place,
N.Y.C.)

Instructions when Meeting S

a. All letters apparently received, uncensored,
also those over R. last letter of 12.7
arrived here on 12.23
b End of December $200 were transmitted telegraph-
ically from Holland to your above address*
Acknowledgement of receipt still pending. Next
payment falls on 4*1*40* . . .
e Give KLcros i J ' , '. - '.,'-<.". ' ~'
d IntiBatf contact to be avoided, for

g. shall
Establish contact with D through following letter in th*
English languages ""
 :-cii<fc^Lwte;i-vj*^:Mi;^

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Dear Colonel,
I have had the pleasure of meeting your old friends
NICHOIAS ^ f l B H P * * they have asked me to get in contact with
you* I am a Faten^Attorney myself, and I should like to talk
over certain natters concerning developments of your latest
design which has been called to my attention* Would you be good
enough to advise ne when and where a meeting could take p l a c e .
Hoping to hear from you at your earliest convenience, I
am
Host sincerely yours,

Signature
(P.O. Box M see above).

"Instructions when meeting D

a. Ill letters apparently received, uncensored*
Last letter with newspaper clippings of
12.29.39 arrived here en 1.23,40. Air mail takes
usually only 15 days. Two letters via Catania had
been opened, but not by official censors*
b. Give micros!
c Herb payment follows at the beginning of Marsh
1940.
d. Seep yourself at the disposal of D.
e. D shall send sample letter via W .

himself and t# slip them into the liming of an

air mall letter*
h. Newspaper clippings giving date of publication
and title of newspaper. Clippings from
provincial papers are preferred.

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i. Ask Aether the letter from Mexico arrived and

when**
4. Establish contact with R. through the following letter
in the English language:

De*r Sir,
I trust you have received ray firm's l e t t e r of
December 11th, 1939 in which they advised you of
my coming and I should be very much obliged to you,
i f you would l e t me know by return mail when and
where a meeting place between us can take p l a c e .
Until then I am
1

Most sincerely yours,

Signature
(P.O. Box No see above)
asked me to give you his regards."

"Instructions when meeting R

a. $500.** transmitted we are awaiting acknowledge-
ment of receipt in a report from B .
b. Deliver some of the collected material snd send
via M.
e Personal description of R., about 55 years of age,
medium height, muscular, stocky, wears
glasses, has on one eye an eye defect,(possibly
wears a small closely shorn mustache (toothbruch)*
d* Dispatch assignments.

e Cover address change*.*

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The .fifth sicropfcetograph which bears no number on

its back and is a single page of typing ie also in the German language*
It deals with the possible operation of the radio station and the aetfcod
to be used in coding messages and in Making contact with station located
in Germany, as followsx

.. Tiae
According to M 15 oo
Seeb the book 21 16 oo
Th dor 19.5 17 oo
In every case Seeb begins with the communication.
We will be advised of the beginning of the communication by
cablegram.
During the first three days the above instructions are not to
be followed but at the beginning of each hour a short signal
will be gi-ven* In this Banner the aost desirable time for
communication will be most quickly determined*

ao
 !iB soon as a definite agreement ie arrived at'"
the daily period f comnunication will be announced
by cypher telegram.
The adoption of this type of communication will
appear to be amateurish with the exception that
only the specific signal of the caller will be
sent and not that of the one called.
After both parties approve the quality of under-
standing (qsa 1-5) then telegram exchange may
take place. In the event that the book which has
been issued for ciphering is lost, the following
alterations will be made.
(1) Pass words for the heading of message

12 3 4 56 7 8 9 0 0 0

(2) Pass words f o r t h e message

K O N V O I B I L D U K G

5 9 7 1 2 10 13 1 4 6 2 1 1 8 3
(3) As call-signal Seeb will give for a continued
periodx ale".

(Exhibits photos of *d.crpfeto-

graphs 1418-0*3,4,5, 1?,' nd
18 and torn sheet of paper used
I-?*/
Biff' ' ,'

Sebold will here explain the aethod by which he was

instructed to incode and decqfe messages, which is
as follows:

31
D
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KiMbits U18-6 anm 18).

> &"-' i

'J/W
As stated above, SEBOLD received a book entitled
"All this and Heaven too", writtenfeyRACHEL.FIELD, published by Collins
Publishers, London, England* Farther, HUGO told hi* that whoa he received
a letter from Germany he will note that after about every third or so word
a dot like a pencil dot; that this dot should be examined under a micros*
cope and enlarged about ninety times; that there would be a message of
about fifty words in each dot; that he had told Hugo that ho, Se&old, has
six thousand dollars in the United States; that hie wife keeps the money*
He will testify that after he was successful in
setting up a radio or obtaining the assistance of aaateurs operating a
radio station in the United States the system to be used was as follows:

In order to arrive t the number of the page which

is to be used in* the enciphering of the message the basic number
"20" is used and to this number is added the number of the month
and of the day on which the message is sent, for example, the mess-
age illustrated below is to be sent on May 6, 1940* The basis
number 20 plus "$* for the month of May plus "6 for the date makes
a total of "31" which is the page from which the enciphering would bo
taken. The cypher message is headed by four groups of letters, each
containing four letters and each group, respectively, indicating the
date, the time, the number of words and the message number. In order
to cede these groups the first horizontal line on page 31 is used.
The letters of this line are copied horizontally
across the page as demonstrated in line 1 of the example sot out
hereinafter* Then as in line 2 of the example the letters are
respectively numbered from 1 to 0, a number being assigned to each
letter with the exception that mo mumber is assigned to * letter,
a second time it appears in the line, as in the example the letter

- 'tC,

in the message, and the message Bomber. line 4 illustrate* the

substitution of the letters taken from the first tdrUental line of
page 31, letters being substituted for the numbers appearing in each
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of the four groups. It will be observe* that when the lumbers in

line 3 consist of less than four numbers, the substitution letter

the first vertical celumn of letters appearing on page

utilized. This vertical column of letters ia copied horUontally AT
across the sheet. Thus in the example, line 5 consists of "the
message which it is desired to send. Line 6 consists of the first
twenty letters appearing in the first vertical column of page 31*
in this respect in the event page thirty-one did not have a total
of twenty letters in its first vertical coluwn, then the next page
having at least twenty letters in its first vertical celuan
would have been utilised for the preparation of the code. Each
letter then is numbered consecutively as it appears in the alphabet
from one to twenty and in the event a letter appears more than .
once, 1VJLp nnmbar*d conacntiyelgvfrgm' XeJCt -tm-giht~aa-4it appears
in the line* This numbering is demonstrated in line 7 of the
example where it will be noted that the letter "W" appears throe
times and it was assigned the numbers 17, 18, and 19.
After the letters appearing on page 31 have received
their numerical assignments, the message is then written into a
rectangle of squares, there being twenty .squares across the rectangle
and five squares down the rectangle. This rectangle is demonstrated
in figure 8 of the example. However., it will be noted in the reetangl*
that certain letters are in parenthesis. The squares containing
these parenthetical letters were marked off prior to the writing of
the message into the rectangle. This is done for the purpose of
confusing anyone trying to decipher the message! This marking off
of squares is accomplished by referring to line 7 of the example,
where it will be observed the first number appearing over the first
letter is 17 so that the 17th square in the rectangle was marked
off. The next number appearing in line 7 is number 10, so that the
10th square after the 17th square, in other words the 27th square,
in the rectangle was marked off and so on through the rectangle,
using the numbers appearing in line 7 consecutively.

After the squares have all been marked off in this

particular rectangle, using %asooy nujb.ersw^ere. necessary from
actual me intOh^eiSd^assi
tetter of of the squaw of -the r

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The final step consists in copying the coli

;%'.
frea a rect*

ttien colism 2 ie copied down and then celwrn 3 i eo

each column, however, beizig inverted. ' These columns are set up
five l e t t e r groups and when the entire rectangle has been copied off,
the message to be sent consists of four squares of twenty-^five l e t t e r s
to each square*
The transmission of the message i s accomplished by
sending the groups as five l e t t e r words taken in horizontal order
from the enciphered message, that i s , from figure 9 the message would
be t r a n s m i t t e d i n t h e f o l l o w i n g o r d e r : T O H T O , TOAMA, EUI EI,
NCHAT, AHKIA, etc.
The message i s concluded by transmitting the last three
letters on the page of the book used* Thus, in t h i s case, W2, BTT
The example fellows:

" \,H,: / - , :>* i t :

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Page 31 of Book
EN.
\ A 5 P E T E B M I ' H 5%

4 ** it/

call l a t t e r . p ^
to you I am on S T
T
6* WP A PF I W 0 P T H 0 B S U C
7* 17 10 1 U i * 20 18 7 12 15 8 9 2 13 16 U
8*
If ki M
SJ B| *

Cf Ai Mi' C{ " ;

f 0 H1 #
TCAKi E UI K I SCHAI
Ainrrf C ADTC X Q U D I SILI1
S SI T U E P AN R E F T DE AEONE
OLTEI E DCA I S ML D E LDCT B
HSUi E T P E A R0 180 IIIAD

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 'j^rJ^bi&^ZiJ&f'<*'x;**iV-:*<-^---'-''-'>-'li* '-."-.* <-- r-' '/*-**''->rm
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SEBOLD will further testify that after explain-

ing t the Agents of the Federal Bureau of Invest*'
igation what transpire* in Germany with relation if
foreleg him i t become an eepieflfge agent i n ttee

"tax. lawti ^_ .,. ^ ^, .___t

bq
to ;*e t h i s , eni. was wibsequently
JHBmssVp
a l l necessary expenses*
reixlrarseateBt

February 11, With the aaeistance of

1940. to tlie Western Union office, an* sent the following
telegram aiiresse* to MR. HUGO SEBOLD, Klopatock Pension,
S t r . 2, Pens. Hlopstock, Hamburg,

AHKTVED SAFE HAD PLSASAST

HILL"
(Exhibit U 1 6 - 7 )

This was accoroUng to the iastrootiona wnich he

receive**
(S. U3 - P. 18)

February 12, He went to ABE COMEJr*S CAMERA EXCHANGE, 342 Falten

1940. Street, R e w Xork City, and purchase* a. Leica camera, an*
ma4e a $20 down payment wing a portion of tae money
gives to hi in Germany.

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February 14, He was advised by Special A.gent*3iC. Ellsworth

1940. that Post Office Box 865 in the Church Street Anne?,
U. S. Post Office, Has rented under the nans of HASH
SaVTER. . , ';
* /-P. 33) ''^
and t h a t he was t o use the same a s h i s r e t a i n address.
He als> 00 npleted t h e payment on t h e Leica camera

( S . 143 - P . 21)
making a t o t a l of $123.30.
(S. 236 - P . 3)
February 15, 0n t h i s date he rented a typewriter from t h e
1940. AMERICAN TYPEWRITER AND ADDCMG MB.GHINE OOMPAHY, 875 Sixth
Avenue, New Xork City, i n t h e nan* of HAERT SA.HER,
63 West 85th S t r e e t , New York City.
<S* 236 - P . 18)
making a $15 deposit plus $3*00 for t h e f i r s t month's r e n t .
He also reaifid_an_apartment a t 223 Bast 82nd S t r e e t , New
4HHHHHHHHHillflH
February 16, With the assistance of Agents Ellsworth s
1940. he typed letters t o : LILLY STEIN, in German, the translation
of Tfcich is as follows:

My dear Miss,
I met your friend, HejLnrieh, and I

bio greetings to you and f r o n i J H H H H K H |

I should take pleasure i n ^ T r ^ a c i f i to do this personally.
Please Inform me when and where I can meet you."

This was addressed to Miss L. STEIN, 127 East 54th

Street, New York Cilgr, I t fellows the Instructions as set
out in the ndcrophotograph mentioned above*; ' .

To: MR. EVERETT ROEDER, Khlch I s as followsi-

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Bear Sir,

Bee. 1 1 , 1939, i a which timy adrised jrou f ^y oosijaf and % ah

be vry wch obliged t o you i f you would l e t as knew hy return
a i l wfeen and here a aeetiag place between us em take plaoe.
Until then I an

Most sincerely yours,

SJITJIX

p , o , BOX as*
Otiurch Street Aanex S t .
lew Tork City*

P 8
* * HHsW^ 8 aaked jreu Ms regards*

This iras addressed tot

Mr. B* ROSQSR
210 Sadth street
Merriek, U I . I,T

( U h i b i t U13-5 and 7.)

a letter te

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..
... ......._, ...... ...... ... ...
. " < ' ' ' " - . - . ' - " ' * -

.. Kew.Jox^Citgh-'V "
Bear Colonel,
I have had the pleasureofjseeting your old
friends, Nicholas &B<WHHF Q < * The y n a v e a s i ^
se t o get i n contact with you* I am a Patent
Attorney myself and I should l i k e to t a l k over
certain matters concerning developments of your
l a t e s t design which has been called to nry
attention . Would you be good enough to advise
me when and where aaeeting could take place*
Hoping to hear from you at your e a r l i e s t
convenience, I am

Jfcst sincerely^your.
HaRRPSAwTER
P*0. Box 865
Church Street Annex Sta*.
New York City,

letter was addressed to Mr. F. DUQDESNE, %

Air Terminal, 17 East 42nd Street, New York
(Exhibit U 3 - 5 and 7 ) .
These letters were turned over to
and Ellsworth for mailing.

Cn February 19, 1940 He oti^PH-J^smj"^f% Office Boac 865, a letter

t ^ a n s l a t e # f r a l s ' : a a - B o l i o ^ i - ' : ' v '-''--';.--

----- (Exhibit lil99,-10rll, Kl
S. 236 ~ p. 23 )
(It was addressed to Ife.. Harry Sawyer,
P.O. Eox 865,
Church Street Annex Station
Ne
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February 17, 1940 :

Dear Mr. Sawyer,
Many thanks for your kind letter*
I would very much like to be able to see you
soon and talk with you about our mutual
acquaintances*
Wouldn't you like to come to me on
Monday afternoon, the 19th? If so, between
3 and Wi Please telephone me in any event
between 9 and 11 in the morning at Murray
Hill 5-4439 or between 11 and 12 at (Metering
4>-575O In case you do not receive this
letter in time to call me in the morning,
than please call between 3 and 4)30 at the
Chickering number or in the erening between
6:30 and 8 at Plaza 8-2987* This is ay home
telephone number where you can always reach
me early in the morning.
Hoping for a meeting in the near
future
Tour
LILLY STEIN

On the same date he purchased a powerful lens

to read the mLcrophotographs with. Agent
Ellsworth was with him when he aade this purchase.
(S 236 * P. 23)
On the sane date, after rceii

and cade an appointment to see her with Agent

Ellsworth accompanying him he rode, in a cab to the
neighborhood where* I U L T STEIN lived 127 East :
54th Street. He will further testify from his
notes (Exhibit 1 U 9 13)
that he entered these premises about 7:20 PH* by
H0
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himself. He found that L1LLT STEIH'S Apertaent

was located on the ground floor, the door being
off of a recessed hallway* After he knocked,
the door was opened by LILLY STEIN whom he will
identify* He walked into her apartment and
was very much surprised as he expected to meet
an old lady. H asked her at least twice if she
were really LILLY STEIN and she confirmed that
to her, "Greetings from
~7which, it will be
observed, was the phrase used in the letter which
he had addressed to her and which was set out in
the instructions that he was to follow. She
replied "I know* I know"* She immediately
stated that she had not heard anything fro* ELLI.
He did not ask her who Elli was and she did not
go into the natter any farther* He then took
the microphotograph which he brought froa Germany
and which he was instructed to give to her froa
his hat and handed it to her, asking her if ehe
could read it. She went to her purse, took out a
large, powerful lens, set it in a socket lookedd
at the adcrophotograph through the lens and
said that she could read it well. She then
handed him a telegram which he read in her
presence and as he recalls, read as follows:
"I WILL SOON BE BA.CK LOVE HEBRT".
She remarked that HHffiY is a well known American ..
and a diplomat. He handed the telegram back to
her without observing whether it was actually
addressed to her, the date on the telegram or the
place from whence it was sent. He then handed
her the longhand list of instructions which he had

a long time and thought maybe the letters bid been

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and that she was going to get herself a type-

i writer for future use* After she had read
i over the instructions she asked him to sit down
| and have some liquor with her, which he
I refused to do, stating that he had to leave
i right away, telling her that he did not want to
\ be seen in her apartnent* He told her to
\ write to Post Office Box 865, Church Street
Annex, if she had any further questions and
that he would probably telephone her again
in the future. As he was leaving she stated,
"Now you are going and leave me all alone"*
) Her apartment was very luxuriously furnished,
and he felt such out of place and wanted to
get out of there as quickly as he could* He was
in her apartment about ten minutes*
(S* 236 ~ P. 23)*

February 22, He will testify

i 1940. that he received a second letter from LILLY STEIN
addressed to hiaself as HARRY SAWYER, at
i Post office Box 865* This letter, when translated,
! reads as follows t*
i
I " New York, February 20, 1940
| DEAR Ml. SAWYER,
1
I am sorry that I must trouble you again

te I t i i best that you fall ne early in the

niag befere 9 o'clock and t h "ejcan talk over
etbi2^ ' ~"
I entirely forgot to fcsk you ore about
HEIKBICH and there i s something that I don't quite
understands
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% 1 .

Tjrxtil lon, accept many hearty .

greetings froa year '.-
L. S.

(U19rl5, 16 and Ql and 2,

S. 363 P 6)

February 23, Accompanied by Agent Ellsworth, he telephoned

1940 from a corner drug store to LTLLY STEIN about
8:30 A.# and nade an appointment to eet her
on the corner of 57th Street and Lexington Avenue
on her side of the street at about 3*00 P.M.
and that they would go to some cafe and talk
over.
Be will testify further that he met her at the
arranged place, about 3:50 P.M.
From his notes (1A19-13)
he nill further testify that he took her to
CELTLDS Restaurant on East 59th Street* She
seemed to be concerned about having no code with
vhich to send her messages and also about her
lack of technical knowledge of airplanes and
araanents which knowledge she would need in order
to question her sale acquaintances. She adaitted
that she ie a prostitute and that she had follows-*
ed her profession in London and Belgium* She
produced a letter fros HEEHRICH SOBATJ whom she calls
"HENRY"*
This letter was written in Hamburg but was mailed
in New York and was received by her in the last day
This i ^ J
coming t o America soon. Ihe letter stated that "by;
nowyou h*re j^bablymet Brry SweriiU is a
funny" looking a n i ^ b ^ r e r y li*hlVB askd
her t o describe SORATJ andr she told him that SORafj
was about 45 years old, 5 10 n t a l l , wears spata, * '
has a wrinkled face,.like his (Sebold's) and wears
a hat with a brim turned down a l l around. This
description corresponds with the description of HUGO
SEBOLD whom he had met in Germany*
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She farther told him that a well known Aneriean,

whoa who iftn-Mnngd the other Bight, was a maa
w at Leipaif.
She inlil Hi il|^JBBF' I I M i'"lniiihi| to Washington.,
D*C* in the near future* She stated that she did
cot know any- of the other agents operating i n this
vicinity. He did not Mention any names to her.
She stated that she knew an airplane designer on
Long Island from whom she night get sons information;
that HENRI SQRAU was an American citizen and used
to work in the FOKKER AIEHANE COMPANT in the United
States and that she i s personally acquainted ^ftth
Wt$BBi He told her that he was not interested in
her socially, and that she should treat him like
a father rather than one of her boy friends and
that he would help her a l l that ue could and that
she could come to his with a l l her troubles as they
are engaged in the sane business. She stated that
she was hard pressed- for money at that time. He
asked her who ELLI was and she stated that the name
was ELSE; that she works as a secretary for a
German attorney and that ELSE i s a girl friend whom
she knows here in New lark City and that Else was
not engaged at the time in espionage work* She
stated that Detroit was ffcll of foreign agents, and
i s a very dangerous place to be i n . She further
stated that she had come to the United States
originally in 1926 (probably 1936) and that she has
been presently i n the United States as as immigrant
since October 1939} that prior thereto she was in
London, England under the name of LTLLT STETJf
and also in Belgium, where she was also engaged in
espionage work* Be instructed herthat she should
send a sample letter by, way of flHKciiaMu whick
he aad.Xailed.to tell 3*r: *; W i S 5 % | ^
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these aeesages t?y way of ra4io.

that ahe would like to be instructed
* with reference to airplane.

SSSM
i Miami at that iim of the year.

fs. 363 P.6)

SEBCOD will testify that he took fros Post Office

February 24, Box 865 a letter addressed to himself as HARRT SAWYER.,
1940. which reads as follows:
AIR TERMINALS 00.
120 WALL STREET
31 FLOOR
N.T.C.
TO. 4-3940
Between 2 and 4
Phone. First."
(Exhibit 1A3~U, 35, 16
Q3 and 4.
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February 26, ' .' - He.wili^farther testify^{*.' ?;F^'|; '. - " *, -

1940 '' " -v '-' ' - that at 9x45 A*M he telephoned the number < ;
set out above, and that the girl answered
and stated that BUQOESNE would not be i n but
could usually be reached at about 4 P.M.
(S* 363 - P. 16)*
He again called the same number at about 1:55
P.K. and again about 2:25 P.M. at which time
a man, answering to the name of COLONEL DUQUESNE,
answered the telephone. He asked where he,
Sebold, was. He then told him to come right down
to the 31st floor at 120 Wall Street, which he
did, entering the building at about 2:50 P*M
From his notes, (1A3 - 1 8 )
he will testify that upon getting off of the
elevator on the 31si floor, at 120 wall Street,
he was confronted by the telephone operator
opposite the elevator doors* He asked her
tbt Mr Duquesne*s office and she told him to go
to Room 17 ~ IS, which was directly down the hall
to his left* Upon entering door #17 he found
Duquesne sitting in the extreme left corner of
the room. He observed that there were four or
five desks in this room. As soon as he entered
the room Duquesae, whom he will identify, called
over to him, "Hello, Harry" and as he approached
Duquesne1s desk Duquesne handed him a pink
slip of paper on which was printed in English,
"We will go out. Cannot talk here**

(U3 - 52.
05 )
which note he, SEBOtD.pl

they walked out mrmmmm^WMm**-~* '- '

suggested that they go to the Aatoaat as it *'
would not be so crowded at that hour. On the way
to the Automat Duquesne asked him, Sebold, if he .-
had come over by way of China* He stated that be
had received a letter from China saying SASTER
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he earn by way of Gnoa on the g*Sf

Bojcpiftswi iisiced if ,1 had -had any troub|#
in, that i s , with the Iaaigration Authoriiies,
to which he replied that he had had no trouble
although he did t e l l Duquesne that he had had h i s
passport stolen in Germany and had to obtain a
new one* He then told Duquesne that he had a
ndcrophotographic message for him and also some
information to be delivered to him which was in
the German language* He asked Buquesne if he could
understand German and Duquesne said that he could
not. Duquesne then told him, Sahold, that he had
once been tried for murder in New Torkj that at
that time he swore that he could not understand
German; that he had never been in Germany and
that he had no German connections. Duquesne then
asked about conditions in Gera&ny and he told him
that they were act rery good; that he had personally
lost 30 pounds while in^ Germany; that the heat was
intense there last year; that the people are in-
different to the war and do not fare very well;
that from the military point of view the nation
i s very strong, and the young men in the army appear
to be well taken care of*

Upon reaching the Automat, on Broadway below John

Street they both obtained a cup of coffee and sat
down in a distant corner* Duquesne produced a
brief case and opened i t and t o o k f r o a i t a couple
of l e t t e r s > one of which was f r o ^ f ^ p m d told
him, Duquesne, that a business representative would
come to see him and would talk about negotiations*.
This letter was signed "SGRAU". The other item was
an envelope from WANG in China which had beiot of
stamps on i t , fie, Sfbold, did not recall how these
Ijstters.were addresi

stated that i f he,. Sel>oia; was icing back to

G9raany right away he had aometniji for hl to tate
back. He told him that he was not returning to
Germany; Buquesne then stated that he had sent a
lot of things over there without receiving any
answer; that he had sent some plans for a submarine

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' and * gas mask bat bad _

Hamburg fjg slc4 MM^.^XSMtXW^i^S:'^ \v* -' > :>*$
apeak tne Italian langtage aid he told Tila,
Duquesne that he could not* Duquesne then
said that he has something at the present time
which he desired to send en an Italian boat
but did not go into details why he wanted some-
one who could speak Italian. He then gave
Duquesne the aiicrophotograph which he brought
from Germany for him and Buqueane stated that
he had a glass and would be able to read the
message. He, Sebold, then read him the
instructions which he had copied off of his
own microphotograph and translated them into
English for his, Duquesne. He said that he
understood these instructions and would follow
then* He then instructed him, Sebold, to
type up these instructions in English and
to hand him the third carbon copy* He explained
that every typewriter has its peculiarities
and can be identified but that it was Tery
difficult te identify a typewriter from the third
carbon copy. He then told him, Sebold, that he
should buy a pair of gloves and use them when
handling paper on which he was sending messages*
This he told Duquesne he was already doing*
Duquesne then asked him how he knew his address
at 120 Wall Street and he, Sebold, will testify
that he was at a loss to explaim this but Duquesne
then asked him if he had mailed the letter to
the West 42nd Street address and he told him that
thet must hare been the address he had sent it to
He did not want to pull out has list of addresses
for fear that Duquesne would want to look at the
whole list* He then asked Duquesne whether he
had a code, and itaquesne puULed out a sheet of
paper cont&M>i^ *;,<^
He then asked rdi Sebold, about ^ s ' ^ i e and '
he told Uk, Duquesne, that 'ti M l y code that he
bad was one to be used for radio pnri>osss *: ,'
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OUtfcl
'V*-*'""*i ^ ^ ' z T -"*r $* v 'V"-"*

to setting up the
"^ajrit
stated that he did not know uch about radio
personally. He t o W BuqueHl that he would
take care of that* Duquesne then suggested
that he get a little house in New Jvrsqy in the
country somewhere if he was to set up a
radio sending equipment, indicating what he would
give hia, SEBGLD, to send over the radio at
such tiae as the radio was in operation*
He then asked Buquesne what he was to do about
getting a job and told M a that he was supposed to
get work in some kind of an airplane factory;
that he had had experience before working in an
airplane factory to which Duquesne demonstrated
considerable interest. He then asked hia.
Sebold if he had had any experience as a draftsman
and if he could understand blueprints, which he told
Duquesne was hia real work. Duquesne then
suggested that he try to get a job in the Grumman
airplane factory near here, which he stated
builds a very fast pursuit plane and has a new
government contract.and indicated that he would
help him find a Job. Be then asked Duquesne
how he was to make cosat ions with hia In the
future whereupon Duquesne asked hia, Sebold,
for his residence address which he gave to him
as 223 East 82nd Street and told hia that he
lived there under the name of HaRRT BTJCBKEft*
DUQUESNE then instructed hia never to aention the
name of Sawyer again nor to use it, and told hia
that if he is erer asked if this is his name to
deny it. He told hia that if he, Buquesne,
wants to see hia again he will aail hia a
pamphlet or some other printed matter pertaining
to radio, at his 223 East 82nd Street address, and
upon the receipt of such latter he, Sebold, will

instructed hia,
Sebold, nevrr again to come hear 120 Wall Street
and under no circumstances is he to recognize hia
if he sees hia or tell anyone that he knows hia
even though he is' placed against the wall and
shot down.

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s&stt ^k&sjs/ r*.:>

fro* hi he will then t e l l hi* wfcsre he e*a aset

He also said that U he,fiKBOUJ,does net
hist, Caqttesae, ia a long tiisi few i s U
ta p for s letter} that in
a t l tele conv0r*tloBa h* is W t a l k bad a*
possible *boat CMwuqr i4 tht Grni that
he will er*U tlw opiatca i a pmfH*** wind*
that he i s stU-ci, H* tfaen *8ke4
why isle mitaafes, wrdch b baa strt by
wr not rd*tl wlien they arrived 1J
Duq\*oe aidi that a l l of tbe tlgre|h perator*
in the United States a** Basils* or a t least a r t
aft for England and that they prabaUy
the amber eo4s so that they w i l l not be
reliable *he they arrive B the other sidej that
everyone in ifais oountr^r works for England and
in fact, t h i s i s not Afterlea bat
thx warned MJR aever to carry anything
of s& eTidentiary nature em bis sprsftsi W* i f
he waited to ssve a ffceeaatafe or keep i t for a
wfeile he should Isiep i t in sa cnrelope aMl
address the en-relo to feisjself mi Ms poet offioe
box. He could then leere i n s envelope la %he post
olfice box indefinitely. He further stated that
no one in t c i s business knows anysocy else et^aged
ia toe swea busir8| that he dI4 not want to kmem
who the other people are that he, 8ebaldt eontaets.
Be claied not to hsve any idee, of who had sent
him a letter postsarked ia fw lork telling hi* ,;
that lawyer wmld contsat hi. indicated that '
thie letter had been vast by **7 of Va% aad was /.
relayed in He* fork City.
; >#
^MPSSS^F ^SBJP* > 3PS|S*ievpBJ^,
^/r^V:- 'U-
in this business and

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-:'.-.. , '., " . that he desired "to bavft iastractioii'''given t

business; that his reputation gives M m an

epportttnity to secure information concerning
incoming and outgoing ships. Be asked if he,
Sebold, had any Money for his. He said that he
did not, and that hie next payaent would be due
on the first of March. He then asked hi*,
Sebold, if he had any money and he told hlgr
that he had not been taken care of. Buquesne
then said, "I want to sake a new connection
over Tokyo, Japan and I nay know a young German
boy there". He did not go into any detail as to
why he wanted e new connection. He said he had
sent two letters recently by way of | 0 ^ | in
China* He stated that be already knew how to
safes sd-crophotographs and that he would teach
him, Sebold, how to make theaj that he told
Buquesne he had purchased a Leica camera but could
not tell him the speed of the camera when
Duquesne asked about it* He explained that he had
just recently purchased it, and was not yet well
acquainted with the operation thereof. Duquesne
then asked him if he also had an enlarger which
he answered in the negative. Duquesne then asked
him if he had brought along some wax from
Germany and when he had told him that he had not,
Duquesne did not make any further statements
concerning it. He said that it was very simple
to make ndcrophotograpns. He stated that he wanted
to study his instructions, lay his plans and .
that he would, at a later date, let him, Sebold
know, what his decisions were. He did not set a
definite time as to when, he, Sebold, should
give him the typewritten copy of the instructions.

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He told Buquesne that he had

note which he said wacjfii
He then talked about Ms hatred
and said among other things that this i s no
war with England but a war of the Jews against
Germany, and that the English are fighting the
Jews* fight.
He also talked a great deal about the conviction
of FRITZ KUHN and claimed that this evidence was
"framed" by the Jews; that Kuhn was sent up for
six year8 for nothing* He then cautioned hia,
Sebold, that if he ever gets work in an airplane
factory he is, under no circumstances, to tike
blueprints from the factory but to get the
essential points of the plan in his ind, then
make his own drawing as best he can and he is
then to let the German experts piece the plan
together.
He then told Duquesne that he sounded like an
Englishman with a cockney accent whereupon
Buquesne said that he had been educated in
England* Upon leaving the Automat they walked
to the City Hall Plaza, New lork City, where
Duquesne said that he would notify Hamburg that he,
Sawyer, had been to see him and that he would
subsequently get in touch with him. They then
separated*
(S. 363 - P. 1 7 ) .

March 1, Sebold will testify

1940# that he received at his residence, 223 East 82nd
Street, New Tork City, a telegram^which was

S.ER4HK". .
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* V* ; * , A - ^ -

eceiving this
fite;-120 Vail
Tork City, reading as follows:-
I AM HOLMNG STOCK

HALRRT"

(S* 401 . P - 8 )

Sebold will testify that he took froa pcet office

box 865 letter addressed to himself as HABRI
SAWXER irhich read as follows t-

February 28, 1940

Mr Hany Sawyer
New Tork City*
Dear Wr Sawyer:
I had expected to hear from you cr some
time, as your Company advised me in a letter
received on January 15th that you would coanHunicate
with me. Needless to say, I was glad to hear
from you.
I have recently developed a new system
for Oil Burner Control that I think you would be
interested in, and I would like to meet you
and talk the matter over.
at the Baldwin

P*U. ajid arriving at Baldwin

This is a through train, and it is aot necaasary
to. change.at Jamaica. My car will be at the
station, a 1939 Buick, license number 5 S 16 98*.
parked at the platform*

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*I suggest Monday evening, Mard* itb* i f ;i

eoBrenieot to you, 'aria will Iweythe ipp
a t that tJjae unless I hear from you to the
contrary* * "-"" ' '-<' ' ' " * ' -

Sincerely yours,
/e/ E.M. BOEDER"*
(S# 401 P. 7*
Exhibit 1A13-32 and 33
and Q38,)

On March Will testify

1940* that he purchased additional equipment for th
Leica camera in order to make nacrophotographa*

(S. 553 - P* 4 ) ,
He Trill further testify,from his notes
(LU.3 ~ 22)
that he received from Agent Ellsworth the sum
of $500.00 in $10 b i l l s , which he, -with Agent
Ellsworth, checked against a l i s t describing the
said money by serial number and other identifying
msrls% and found i t to be the same. He also
received the Bdcrophotograph which he had brought
over from Germany far Everett ftoederj
(Ul>12,13 and 34)
that that evening he took a Long Island railroad
train to the Baldwin station, Baldwin, L*I,
arriving about 8*00 Fdl* Upon getting off of the
t r a i n he observed a Ba^ck sedan .beariiig 1940
License number 5 t-'3^^^^M^^'iba^pi^t^,.<
in Me letter* He waSiced to p / m ' f . W & ' "
and the man, whcaa he will identifyVas KVERETT -
ROEBER, sttUTto &&*$&&''*** Bji^^lswjrirr"' r * '
that he told Roeder that he was but that he did not
know'who heyRoeder, was and desired some means
of identification. Roeder then said that he
had received a l e t t e r from Hamburg advising him
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He said that the letter was signed b y M M B *** was mailed from the
address' of St. LEONHABBT, RottenbattBscnaasjse 135, Hamburg,
that he asked tea what Dr. Leonahrdt looked like, and Boeder described
htm as being a man with a pleasant personality; rosy cheeks, about 30-
33 years of age, middle sized, who "came out of the North woods near
Canada". This description f i t s that of the aan whoa he, Sebold, knew
as DR. RHfKEN.
He then asked him W ^ H H | M ' andi^a^ie looked
l i k e , to which Boeder replied that he d i c H i o ^ r e c a l l ^ J J d s V l a s t name;
that he met him at Merriek, Long Island, *6tare^yeara agoj that he
i s a young man, 23-25 years of age, with a soar-wa-M tiH
BOSHES then drove him to Kerriek, Long Island, and
they parked in a lot along the railroad tracks where they talked. He
ssksd his, Eo*dr- i f he knew any other people on the other wide but
Boeder stated that he did not know them personally although he produced
a note book containing three or four addresses of individuals in
Hamburg. The names and addresses were unfamiliar to hiau BOEDER stated
that he had written to these addressee but had not heard from H**nburg
in the past six souths, and so had not written again; that he had
gathered considerable material which he wanted to send to Hamburg but
had had to burn i t .
H^then^asked Roeder i f he was acquainted with the
addresses of W M G f l p B s f Boeder said that he had never heard of
these before. He l e t Boeder copy the naaes and addresses of these two
men.
ROEDER stated that the l e t t e r addressed to him had
told his that he, SEBOLD, was a representative of the Governeat, and
that he, Boeder, should give him a l l Batters for relay to Germany.

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fie then handed BSBDERER the microphqtograph,
adcirophqtogrssph, #15, v .^':->,
and asked 1him if he could read ' i t . Roeder stated that he had ; '
a jeweler 6 eye glass with which he e ouM read therMcrophoto-
graph and said that he had received ^ ^ ^ ^ f
He then said to Boeder that he hod a lot of money
for him, namely, $500.00. Roeder stated that that was not very
much money; that he had expected $2,000.00. He said that they had
promised him $200 a month, and that he had not received any money
for the past six months. He, SEBOTJD, took the $500 (fifty $10
h i l l s ) which had been handed to him by HUGO SEBOLD in Hamburg, and
gave i t to Boeder. He suggested that Roeder count the money. Boeder
said that i t was a l l r i g h t . Roeder wrote out a receipt on a sheet of
pqper taken from a small note book, containing six rings,which receipt
read as follows:
"Received Five Hundred Dollars on Account.
M
- - - Carr ,
(Exhibit U13-26).

With, reference to BOEDER'S statement that he should

have received $2,000.00 he told him that he expected the "big boss"
$o come to America soon, and that he would take up the matter of his,
Boeder's, finances with him. He then discussed with Boeder the
matter of setting up a radio station for the sending of short wave
radio messages to Germany. Roeder said that he formerly had an
amateur's license, and that he would help him get organized. He told
him to write to the AlffiRIEJiN RAHO RELAX LEAGUE, Hartford, Connecticut,
and secure an Amateur's Hand Book. He stated that he would be unable
to help him, SEBOLD, get an amateur's license; that he would have
to do that himself.

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Be also said that he had in mind a party

who would s e l l a short waTO broadcasting
station for one hundred thousand dollsors.
He seemed to think that he, Sebold, had
unlimited funds at his disposal* He told
him that he would take this up with the
"big bo3s, Roeder then handed him, Sebcld,
a black brief case which had a nickel lock .
and nickel metal corners.
(1U3 * 45 and 50).
He stated that this brief case contained
several documents; that some of the documents
in the brief case were to serve as a camouflage
but that there were some important documents
which would be of interest on the other side*
He stated that- he would have to have the
documents and the brief case back by the follow-
ing Monday night; that, he would immediately
report to the Long Island Railroad that he had
lost his brief case; that in the event he,
Sebold, was picked up with the brief case in
his possession iie should say that he had found
it in the railroad station or on a Long Island
train* if nothing happened then upon return of
the brief case he, Roeder, would report the recovery
of it. He, however, was to communicate with
him, Roeder before coming to Baldwin to meet him
again. He told Roeder that he would male
microphotographs of these documents and send
them to Hamburg* He asked him, Sebold, if he
had a camera and he told him that be had a
Leica* Roeder wanted to know if he had filters
for it and be told him that he had not* He
then told Roeder that he wanted to get a job
in an airplane factory and askedfctaif he could
help hia* ' .'..,,".>->-k* ',- --'. . ',
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citizen and he told him that he had been

naturalized* Roeder then asked what exper-
ience he had had and he, Sebold, told him
that he had worked in the CONSOLIDATED
AIRCRAFT on the West Coast and that he had
experience as a mechanic and draftsman*
Boeder then stated that he would see i f he
could get him a place at Gruaman's in their
Experimental "n^T>AT*T.wftrit as he had & frienn
there by the name o l ^ ^ H | H H H H V Roeder Ltl (^
then stated that he ha^wB^^pW^Ha t r i p s '
to the West Coast himself but did not mention
any of the business transacted* He wanted to
know i f he, Sebold, was intending to remain
in the United States. He told him that he was,
and that he came over from Germany by wy of
Genoa. Roeder then askejd him i f he was sure
that he was not being followed whereupon he
told his that he knew that he was not; that
he was rery expert in "ditching" peopij
that he had rented a box in the Post Office, I
90 Church Street, Annex, because the lobby there {
i s generally vacant and he i s able to get his -
mail without anyone seeing him.
Roeder then drove to the main street and l e t
him out at a beer parlor, and he caught the
Long Island train at Merrick, L.I* for Sew Tork
at about 9:15 P.M.
On his arrival in New Xork, he contacted Agent
Ellsworth and opened the brief case in his
presence. He noted the contents thereof and
w i n ideniiify phot@gra.phs as beiag'if ^he *>iweats
contained therein* ' : \. ' ( 3 J J ^ 5 ' ^ ^ ) ^ ^
He then turned the brief bag and : contenta b
Ellsworth* <S 4Oi *:
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The docoBents i n t h e b r i e f "bag c o n s i s t e d o f s '. ' -"'"'?. "K?^2$

:
-1.' Ibo dtescription of an electro-tixersial contarol : ' ,"
of switching devices, as used in the eiotro- .'
theraal alarm system for the Sperry Salinity

2* A description of a constant altitude control

device, the operation of nhich is actuated by
the <*Hfl**gr*^g o f barometric presstire*
3. A description of a thermal control relay systea
for operating various devices, such as a domestic
oil burner*
4. The description of a speech secrecy system or
method of scrainbXing and unscranbling speech
signals daring tranea&SBion over electrical

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bis name as jni.* She said that he has not -

received any money fr< Hamburg'for ac^tJwj ''. " -...;,
thai he is destitute as that is his only means -!--''*
of aecttring a living* She further stated that
she expected to have some money brought orer
to her by some unknown person, perhaps, on a
Swedish ship; that recently she had sent two
telegrams to HEINEICH SCRAB", Bottenbaumschasse
135, Hamburg, Germany, in which she said that
she is worried about "Mary"* She stated that
this wording means that she is worried about
money. However, she had not heard a thing
from Hamburg; that the last time she received
her money it was through the Chase National
Bank and it was paid to her under very
mysterious circumstances although she did not
say what these circumstances were; that she
had no idea who sent the money* She tailed
a great deal about how much she was in need
of money and asked him, sSebold, if they had
given him any money when he left* He told
her that they had not given him very much
money and that he had to spend it for equipment
although he was told that he would be taken
care of when the irar was finished. She stated
that she had to hare some money quickly; that
she had pawned everything; that she was bade is
her rent and that she couldn't understand
why they would leave her here with no aoney as
she could not move in the proper circles where
information could be obtained unless she had
sufficient money. She stated that she had not
heard from Sorau but expected hia to arrive
at any time as she believed hie passport had
expired* He> Sebold, suggested to her that
Sorau might come in through Mexico. She stated
that she had a connection ia-Jli
did* not 'Bam but nho wa 8 aiso bonmcted with the

-V..
getting a rad^of that she shbulid gather inform-
ation and prepared' a l i s t of addresses of every ..
one she knew in order that he could handle her
business for her"-tferough the radio*
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He further told her that he would be able to

get her an answer back within m\hoxsritktk*>*,
Germany after the radio i s hooked up. She
expressed the opinion that America will go
to war against Germany} that she had written
Hamburg and sent them by way of
HmP telling Sorau that all the
American officers hare been called out for
summer training* He then asked her again
about a code and she said that she has a number
code* ( I t will be recalled in the first
interview she stated she did not have a code.)
She stated that she
by ^ B f
profession
r
tfaej
that he had asked her now he could, get iffPo the
French or English Intelligence Service telling
her that the Germans did not pay enough. She
claimed that she had laughed at his and to have
not told him that she me doing any Intelligence
work for Geraanyj. that he was leering f o r H H B
in about two months. ~-
(S. 401 ** ?. 51)*
March 8,
1940 Will testify that he wrote the following letter
to Roeder at Merrick, Long Island, New York.
(Ul>29,30 and 31).

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- New York March 8, 1940,

Dear Mr. Boeder, '"'*:
See you Monday night. Leaving 7*17 P.E.R.
St. and arriving the usual time Baldwin
station*

Yours,
Harry Sawyer
Box 865 Church Str. Annex."
(S. 401 - P. 54).
That he also wrote andmailed the following letter
to HUMAN LANG: (1&10 - 2 and 3 ) .
New York City, March 8, 1940
MY DEAR MR. LANG,
I recently arrived in America and take the
liberty to give you greetings from Rantaau,
Berlin, Hamburg. Please name a place and time
where I can meet you. I await your answer
by return mail.

With regards,
Barry Sawyer
Box 365, Church Str. Annex
New York City.
(S. 401 - P. 54).

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<-:'V!
March 9* a& Hth the assistance of Special'
he made udcrophotgraphs with his Leica canera
and in accordance with the letter which he wrote
to ROEDER on-Match1' 7th he took 'Wie Long Island' '''''
train from the Pennsylvania Railroad Station at
7:17 P.M. and arrived at Baldwin, L*I about
6:00 ?Mj observed Roeder's automobile, 5 R 1698,
parked near the station and walked to i t and
climbed in* Roeder was sitting therein and
immediately drove to some point, the location of
which he does not know, where they talked. He
handed Roeder his brief bag containing the documents
which Roeder had turned over to him on the
previous meeting and then asked Roeder i f there
was any news from the other side. Roeder said that
there was not, and he told Roeder that he had not
heard anything* Roeder said that he bad talked to
his fzlen^flfllBHH who had told bin that there
was, at prSsenf^so opening at Gruwunts Airplane
Works but that i f he, Sebold, could stand an FBI
investigation, he could get a job there in the near
future; that he told him, Roeder, that he had
never been in any trouble with the law. Roeder
said that Grunmans is building very fast pursuit
planes, which will aounttA 2.275 (?) calibre
Machine guns in each plant; that these planes arc
supposed to run at about $00 Biles now; that these
planes were being built for the U* S. Navy,
Army and Navy, and are not for sale to the English
or French. Roeder further stated that he would Jt
him know when i t was the appropriate time f o r him
to apply f o r a J o b a t Gruaanans. He then asked
Roe der w h e t h e r ^ H H B h a d worked a t something when
he, Roeder, w a s d e a l l n g with h i m . Roeder s a i d t h a t
>6 Ld not do any work a t that time* Roeder
complained about the way he was being p a i d
by t h e German government, and said he was l a need of

working
., tfcaa J
textile l ^ l fi pe
a letter froat suen a concera offering him a better
Job. He, Sebold, then told Roeder that he would
report that fact to the other side*

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"<',
Roeder claimed that he only took the job
Sperry because of the wishes of the "organic**
at ion in Germany1'; that he had been over to
Germany and had spent some time in Cologne,
Hamburg, and Berlin; that he had gotten to
knowFRH) (or FRANK) HARRIS very well; that
in Hamburg Harris had "drunk him (Boeder)
under the table".
From the description of Harrie as furnished by
Roeder he, Sebold, recognized this party
to be undoubtedly DR RjQfKEN, and asked him if
he knew Dr. Rente n under that name. Boeder
said that he did not know him so they matched
descriptions and they both agreed that this
was the same man*
Roeder then reached inside of his coat with
his right hand, and pulled out a German Walters
Automatic Pistol, which was a medium sized gun;
that he then told Roeder that he did not think
it was a good thing to carry a gun around like
that and that he, personally, never carried a
"cannon". Roeder said that it was all right;
that he had a gun permit. He further stated
that he had several very fine guns and that he
does considerable skeet shootingf that he, Seb
then told Boeder about his experiences in the
West and his activities on the western ranges.
He told him about his experience in South
America.

Roeder asked him if he had been

He then asked him, Sebold, if he knew-fiR.'.aEXEBL

XKNAT&). He told him that he had: heard about
him and that the Nazis have given hiB*&* can'"fee
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Sebold will further testify that Soeder. then "*'

drove him to the Suffolk Republican Club where
they left the car and went into the Bar for
a drink; that he, Sebold, had two beers
and Roeder had two highballs* They talked with
the bartender for about a half hour. Roeder
showed him the premises of the club, including
the golf course, pistol range, and the clay
pigeon range. On the way back, Roeder asked 1
him how he had gotten into "this funny business*
and he told him in a vague way that i t was the
result of the last war. Roeder then said he wanted
him, Sebold, to get in good at the Suffolk
Republican Club so that when they are seen together
there there will not be any suspicion attached
to him, Sebold. He stated that he paid $100 a
year membership dues. On the way back Boeder
, said that he had that morning been up in the
air in an airplane trying out one of his new i,
inventions; that the invention worked very well* ! f
Ke, Sebold, gathered that the invention was
meant to steady the .ship one way or another.
Roeder then asked him i f h e b a d as yet contacted
a fellow by the name o f f l H H J P whereupon he,
S e bold, told him t h a ^ ^ ^ d n o t know this man*
Roeder stated t h a ^ m H f w a s "fired" by the
other side because he was not a U. S. citizen.
He then told Roeder that he was getting started in
the radio broadcasting end, and stated that he had
in mind putting an ad in the paper and thus
locating some young man Ifao could teach him how
to send messages and operate a radio* Boeder
thought that this was a good idea* Roeder then
suggested that he, Sebold, should move to Long
Island and settle down and develop a group of
acquaintances in order that his activities would
aot r^^ mm^d^.Jp^^^lJidja^i^%th.
had bought/ a. house and .was .feByJdpajjJ^'Jiwil
& reputation in the Ticiidi^y'^^lkJjBed to'-b*"'
doing a l l ' of * these things 'm order W^ ppie
l e a s e 'the -
:
authorities ia Germany. '" ' ? * T
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As Boeder was trying to obtain a 40b, ffir.

he thought it j w s r t . t o ' t ^ l . t o ^ V f f e ^ ,
" " HARRT SAWIER, ?las a ficti^Letxa aajo and that
his true name was WILLIAM SEB0LD, and thue,
if he obtained a job at the airplane factory
he would be able to produce his naturalization
papers under that name. Roeder did not sees
to be interested in seeing the microphotographs
made of the documents in the brief bag*
Upon arrival at Merr^ck, long Island, Roeder
told him, Sebold, that he would see his again
in fourteen days and would meet him at the
same time and in the same place but that he
would write him a letter in the meantine
definitely making the appointaent

March 12, William Sebold will testify that he personally

1940* made prints from the negatives which had been
made of the documents given him by Roeder*
Four copies each of these prints were made*
that he pasted the prints which were in the form
of Bticropho to graphs in order on a plain sheet of
typing paper, thus making four copies of the
documents*
He also prepared a letter addressed to HUGO
SEBOLD> written in Gernan which, when translated,
reads as follows: ^

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Hew Tork March 1% 1 9 4 %

My dear Mr '."-*!
I hare undertaken all of your business
instructions* Enclosed you Kill find the
newest reports from our local patent
attorney* Further new developments will be
sent to you promptly*
Very truly yours,
HARRY
P*0 Box 865,
Church Str. Annex*
Few lork City*"
(S* 553 - P. B)

He enclosed one set -of prints and a

the ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ r e l o p e s addressed t

6 and 39 )

On the same date he prepared an ad which, en

March 13, March 13, 1940 he took to the Radio Television
1940 Magazine publication, 99 Hudson Street,
New Xork City. This ad reads as followst-
"Amateur wanted to assist and teach incode and
short wave radio* Harry Sawyer* Box 865,
Church Street Annex*"

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March 13> Ulliaa SeboM nill

ial through Chiaa. She <iid not waat t talk

to him on the telephone aad asked him to
come to her apartaent at about 7:00 F*M* She
said that she was sick in bed and that he
shouldt ring tiricej that he went to LILLY
STEIH S apartment at about 7:00 P.M. and
found a note on the door bell that he should
come back at 9:00 Ptf*, which he did. la
conversation with her concerning the sending
of material to China she stated that he should
not put any Hanburg address in the envelope
but should just seatf the material loose
and that the individuals who receive the material
idll know where to send it; that he asked her
if he should use her code and she said that he
should not; that her code was especially prepared
for herself* She also stated that the American
Consul had come to see her and had told her
that there was no chance of Aaserica getting into
the war; that the British are establishing a
base in Canada where they will watch for contra-
band*
He asked her if she knew what would happen to
her if America went to war* She said that she *
did not. tie then told her that she would probably
be stood up against the wall and shot, to which
she answered "Then we will have to be careful"*
He asked her if she had had any news from Jim*
She stated that she did not know him personally
but that Else knew his. She stated that Else
used to "run around" with Hans (Bitter) but she
did not say who Hans was although she did state
that H i e is not engaged is this businessj

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t h a t Else faad t o l d her tnatk-Jiifcr#fi#jri&3t $

received ^ y^ i ^ % $t
Ha*btsrg and tol*l them that he, Sawyer, had -
been t o see hear*
(S 553 - P 1 3 ) .

March Sebolri TCLU t e s t i f y

1940. that i n view of his conversation with LILLY STEIN
the Bierpphoiographs of Boeder*s documents
were mailed by hist
(S. 553 *> P*
in envelopes addressed to _ ^
Tl&ng, without any indication inside the envelope
that the matter should be forwarded en te
Hamburg, On th same day be prepared the follow-
ing telegram addressed to Hugo Sebold,
Kloppstrasse 2, Hamburg/ Germany t
MET YOUR FRIENDS HAS NOT ANSWERED
LETTER SENDING" MAIL T O M Y
HARRY SAWYER
TWO TWO THREE EAST EIGHTY SECOND"
He said he did this in view of the probability
that there would be no reply from Hamburg
concerning the letters for at least six weeks
to two months. Further, he had had instructions
to furnish his New York address to Hamburg*
This telegram was sent via Western Union cable-
gram at 3s00 PM* from Western Union office,
525 Columbus Avenue, New York City*
-A earbon copy of "-*- -**-- -****"---*
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March 16, WilliamSebold will testify. . .v^'-. :. -;'- x sup*1*'

that he telephoned Duqttesae*s of floe at . rf ,fit. ySF-^r

10s30 AM but he was aot

(Si 553-P* 31).
" 1

He left word with the telephone operator

that the "printer" had called*
March 17 and H@ rented an apartment at 220 East 85th
18, 1940, Street, New York City.
(S# 553 P 31)
March 18, He will testify that he telephoned to
1940. Duquesnets office at 10:10 AM* and at 11:25
A.M. but was unable to reach Duquesne.
(S. 553 - P. 31)
At 3:35 P.M. he telephoned, and reached Duquesne*
and told him that he wanted to talk to him about
some printing. Duquesne stated that he had
some envelopes he wanted to be printed up, and
that he, Sebold, should meet him at 11:00 AK at
the MERIT PRINTING 'COMPANY, 84 West Broadway,
New York City on March 19, 1940,
He typed up, in triplicate, a translation of
the German instructions given him in the micro-
photograph, to be given to Duquesne which Duquesne
had requested him to do at their previous meeting*
March 19, 1940 Sebold will testify \,
from his notes (Exhibit 1A31S)
that he proceeded to 84 West Broadway, New York
City at about 11:00 A.M. and met Duquesne in front
of this address. They vent into the building, .,
took an elevator to either the, second or id
tof the Merit F T ^ n t t ^ l ^
place of. business .Boquesne
there..and asked for some
then showed a package of
him, Sebold, if this kind of envelope was all
right. Sebold stated that it was. : Duquesne then
asked the man to wrap up about six packages of these,
envelopes into a bundle, which he did.
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Thia *sjt was about 33 years old, di height,

f s t , of dark oeaplexien, and Jewish.
At they rede dffm da the operator, DU^'JEZSE to 14
hla that he would soot hi* across the street i a the auteast, and that
they weald have a sup of coffee*
f he/ separated i a the buiWtng, aad 1M, SIBQLD#
pre<id aereas tie tr%i that b* ntrwt %tm astomt threagk %bm
Cfab S t t b t i 4 * ciijp of eoff aa4 sat 4an, aa*

7hy Ulkd for about *. bAlX an hour, and tbn

rslkd tog*thr to tht Qturcb S t r o t AUTMK Pot Office wber. te, S?bold,
lAok.4 into Box 6j and faad Muting. Du^assot #kd * i the jfrfam-
atlaa Window ha Uw iwxt pluw lft r iscroot Bjr wy of China,
rUtintt that st mated. t fM Berauda. rb*jUn waited to the corntr
of Fulton Strt nd Broadway waer* toy stood on tht eomor, and
talked for * Imag ti, porhftpa aa hor.
BOQUESK had % Sbold, take the esvolepes
to his of flee at 150 1*11 Street, lew Tor* City, eat told h i . to t o l l the
girl at the telephone desk that this package oontainod printed aetter for
Daqueane. Be told hie tod t h i s because he, SEBCLD, had told the girl
whoa he called that he was the printer and Ihtqueane stated that perhaps the
FBI was paying this g i r l a few dollars to keep watch ea his, Boqutsne's
activities* that he, SehsM, did this sad then took a stfevay at Vail
Street station.
In the conversation widen he had with Baqmene,
BtBttassM stated that he had been followed for about fourteen days after his
f i r s t aseting with Wja. Be stated that tbe *n fellewed hia continuooslj
for tares days and finally bo, DOQUtSSS, walked up i t this nan awi asked

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he would call the police. He claimSc? that the

men following id* were Pinkerton detectives and
FBI agents; thkVne, S e bol& .utoid^fii'bow h* .
was able to tell the men were FBI agents and
Duquesne said that he could always tell them
by their walk* He described this as a peculiar
walk and said that they -walked sort of pigeon
toed and with a peculiar halting step. He said
that the agents must learn this method of walking
in school and probably use it as a means of
identifying each other. He talked to him, Sebold,
for quite a while on the way the FBI operates.
He talked in such a low tone that he was unable
to hear all of his statements. He did hear him
say, however, that the agents would follow, for
instance, him, Sebold, continuously and also him,
Duquesne, continuously and would eventually
observe that they met and conversed which would
show them the connection between the two* He
also said that the FBI follows every European
who gets off of the boat and has his passport
taken up; that they follow these Europeans for
about a week or so to find out if they are
contacted by people in America. He claimed he
saw a short man follow Sebold into the subway the
day they met and separated. He claimed that the
FBI pays the telegraph operators to furnish them
with any peculiar messages and pays them to mix
up the code messages which are not decipherable.
He claimed that the FBI agents follow a man into
a telephone booth and after the man has made a
telephone call they immediately call the operator
and have her furnish them with the last five or i
calls over that phone. He instructed him,
Sebold, that in making phone calls from a pay
station he should call the number, and insert the
number "7*. He claimed_that this would enabis him
to get his number and''ai'jttwssa^-tia;w^^.Js4x,.>
up the operator in trying to find out the'identity
of the person calling** Duquesne then asked hiat
if he was sure he was not- being follo*ed and fce t
him that he was sure; that he had paid particular

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attention to his actiTftiee aad. knew o one was -1

following him,, Duquesne jtlwwa told him to be }
Sure, i n taking the,,^wijjv-io stwid ne^ar the |
deor aj^ wait iintil %e,8Ubwjry,do(3r i s closing
and then jump on the ear. He told him to get
off the subway occasionally and watch people
who get off with him to make sure they are not
watching, and following him* Duquesne then asked
him if he was able to operate an automobile. He
told him that he was* He asked him why he had
asked this question but Duquesne did not go into
the matter except to say that he once had a man
working with him who went crazy and in Florida
drove his car into a canalj that this man's wife
also went crazy. He then aslrad Duquesne why he
had not sent them to Bellevue Hospital* Duquesne
said that he was afraid they would talk to the
authorities. He made no mention as to the present
whereabouts of these people.
Regarding the sending of.telegrams to Germany,
Duquesne said that whenever a big boat i s leafing
New lork Harbor he wires to Germany and in his
telegram makes some general statement ending i t
with something like "Love, Jim" or "Love, (some
other name)" or with "All ny love"; that t h i s
phrase means that a boat i s leaving, however, he
stated that the people in Germany are pretty
dumb or else they don't understand what he i s
wiring about as there seemed to be no action taken
in response to these telegrams. He farther stated
that he had recently written a l e t t e r to
Hamburg, sending i t by way of Wang; that he sent
some information regarding a newly invented
s;felinaer for a gun. He also sent over a Monthly U.S.
Army Report. He, Sebold, gathered that this was a
regularly published Army Report although i t was
not described by Duquesne. He further stated that
he reported to HaMrurg that he, Sawyer, had beea t o
'" " He alsovetftted that^he had not received
Ge$aay since he l a s t seat
hefcfta^Joiotreceived irjy more money. '.<
He said that a lot of the men sent over by Germany
with money failed to reportj that i s , they put the . . - ,^
money in their pocle t and disappeared upon ^arriving
i n America* He claimed that this was particularly
true of German Americans whom he distrusts*

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He again warned him, Sebold, not to hav anything

to do with German Americans, particularly not
with their wives, stating that they are unreliable!
that he, Sebold, pointed out to him that apparent*-*
ly the nan in Hamburg have the same opinion as they
instructed him not to associate with any of the
German Americans around Toricville, New York.
Duquesne stated that he usually gets his money
paid to him through the Manufacturers Trust Company
and some times through the Chase National Bank*
They then had quite a conversation about South
America, and he told Duquesne of soffio of his experw
iences there. Duquesne stated that he had been in
Sao Paulo and in the Argentine j that he had sunk
twenty two aiglish ships or at least ships of the
Triple Entente by placing time bombs on them* He
did not go into detail * to how he placed these
bombs* He also claimed to have sunk a battleship
by the name of "PMBERTON" or "PENNINGTON" or some
similar name. He also said that he had at one time
"hung out" around S'capa Flow, England and asted hin,
Sebold, if he knew anything about that place,
which he did not* Duquesne then said that he would,
in the near future, write to him as he wanted to
introduce him into the French Club, stating that
he had a friend in this Club who is an expert
photographer and would be able to teach him some
new tricks in Photography, particularly how to
print micropbotographs on the inside of an
envelope* He said that he would introduce him
into the Club as a Swede and if possible he wanted
him to eat there occasionally and gradually
work into the Club as a lot of sailors "hang out"
there from whom he would be able to get information*
He said that it was easy to get information
the sailors because they feel that .the, Jeiw
fighting the war, Duquesne said* thai the, building
in which he had his office was closely connected
with the Securities business and that he possibly
would write to him as a "security company; that in
reply, he_ should address-him, Duquesae> in
language of a securities buyer* In this connection
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out when the Maaretaaia and one of her slater

ships then at the Uth Street pier woul4
be leavint lew Torts Berber. Be said that be
had been hanging out" around that neighbor-
hood a groat deal, sal that ho was afraid
to go back there for fear his appeexaaee
would becows suspicious, go then instructed
him, Sbold, to go that saw day to
vicinity ami try to and out whoa the
and the other ship, probably, tho Saaarla, would
bo leering. Me said tbat i f he, Sebold, was
able to find out when the ships were leaving
Mew lork Harbor he should write hi * letter
1 nmefti it<s^y and use a phrase i s his I s t t o r ,
sueh as the following
1 would like to buy twenty shares of 8X0
stook at the quoted price*j that this would
indicate that the MaureWnia was sailing oa
March 20thj that i f she was to s a i l on tho
22nd, for instance, then ho would say ho wanted
to buy twenty two shares of stoekf that upon
receiving t h i s information ho would ixaediately
notify Oenauay of the date of the dopartttro of
these ships. Duquesne then asked his I f ho was
acquainted with the eharaetorlstlos of phosphorus
and when he said that he tttd -todied Blematary
Chemistry and that ho knew ewe tiling about
phosphoruSf Suqussns mAA that he would toaoh
hlsi how to walk through as airplane factory and
throe hours after ho had gone through the plant
i t would Burst into flams. Be said that he
would not t e l l him about i t at that U s * because
he did not want to crowd his Bind too smell.
gvVJF *AS^-*4MSr jP]pSj^Ea^SjpqpPj|BJp

a
to tide his over for a l i t t l e while. Be them,
told Ouquesat that ho had reocntly sent a report
to Germany sending the sane copies to throe address-
es. Duqueene aaidthat he should he careful
7^5 about using t b ^ H ^ k d d r e s s because Clipper sail
goes by way of Bermuda and i t la subject to
the British censer.
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If.. .the censors pick up thet h eletter

! . . _ , - . . . . i . . - . .-.- . . "*'*'

ters were going by way of flHpand that t h i s

fact night arouse the author^Ses' suspicions as
to t h i s individual* He talked about wanting t
get a direct connection through Hong Kong, China,
as the Clipper lands there and I t would save time*
He again cautioned him about his fingerprints
getting, on the l e t t e r s which he sends out. He
advised him to use his gloves in putting the
paper in the machine and taking i t out and also
suggested that the envelope should be typed with
a different typewriter than the typewriter used
to type the message inside the envelope* Duquesne
said that he personally has to be careful because
his fingerprints and pictures are a l l over the
world. He told Buquesne that nobody has his,
Sebold*s> fingerpriuts whereupon Duquesne said
that he i s well known aJLl over Kew York,
particularly by the police* Duquesne then asked
him how he made his ndcrophotographs, and he
told him the method which he used, which was the
method used in making the photographs of the
documents turned over by Boeder* Duquesne said
that that sounded like i t was a l l right but that the
men he was going to introduce hiai to at the French
Club would show him sooe better ways. They then
talked about the right set-up and Duquesne asked
how he was going to get someone to help him learn
to operate a radio and to help him in transmitting*
He told Duquesne that he had placed an ad in a radio
magazine for some such amateur, which Duquesne
thought was a good idea* Duquesne also thought i t
was a good idea to put his equipment out on Long
Island* Duquesne asked him when he thought he
would be ready to etart transmitting xeasages and
be .told him he'figured i t would be.about the end '

log on t^liii4rop%otograpiu Be also gate bi Jbii

address "220 East 85th Street,
"New York City" -
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^ told M * he' was i^

Sebold there. Duquesne uas wearing a monocle
on this day* He claimed to have last hie
glasses. He said that if he, Sebold, wanted
to keep a clear-mind in this business he should
use Strontium Broodde and stated that when
he came to a "tight spot" in this business he
should use some kind of a tonic of strychnine.
He asked him if this would not be dangerous.
Duquesne stated it was notj that it merely
stimulated the heart action. As they were
standing on the corner, talking, Duquesse
took a bottle of Tannic Acid out of his pocket
and gargled with it. When asked why he did this
he said that he had a tender throat and that
this helped to toughen it In talking d>out
his, Sebold is, hafifig traasffiitted the report to
Germany, Duquesne asked jif he had sent the letter
in code* He told him that he had received no
code for sending letters although he had disguised
the language in the letter} that the only code
he had was a book code which he was to use in
transmitting radio messages. Duquesne asked what
kind of a book code this was, and he described
it to him. He claimed that he knew the code
because he had made it up hinself. Upon separating
Duquesne said that he would get in touch with
him in the near future*

March 20,
1940 William Sebold will testify
that he took from Post Office Box 865 an^eatelope
from the Post Office Department at Rutherford,
New Jersey, . containing
r
^the letter which he bad
- - typed aad^^kiBkei i^B^rf^^lMe^'-'^3i^i^"^
address furnished him in; "

- - - - - -""Si*
This letter had been opened, and re-addressed by
the Post Office Department to Woodridge, New Jersey. -
(Exhibit lAlO~e).
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Be thereupon ^ p ^ ^
, <mtiM$$&s that ifc&re iia a o ^ ^ p i s ^ ^ , t .- ~v.-??H'-' "4;
"4;
Long Island" but that i t undoubtedly was
"Ridgewood, Long Island" to which place he
proceeded and went to the address "59-36
70th Avenue" where he talked with the
janitor of this aparten^house^He was
sent u p s t aai r s t o s e e ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ H p p h ot was
described ^HHHI|[^H||||HpLang 3
She at f i r s t aiailo^wan^xoxaTk with him
but as he spoke German to her, and told her
that he was a friend of the Langs from
Germany, she invited him in and gave him
the address of Herman Lang as being 74-36
64th Place, Glendale, L*I and stated that
he was a married man and had recently noved
to that address. He learned further that
Ridgewood is a German eoajnunity. He recalls
that Hugo SebolxJ had t,ld him that i t would
be a good idea for hiss to live in Mdgewood and
he was of the impression that Hugo had stated
that he had lived in Ridgewood,

March 23,
1940. sebold will testify from his notes (U10-4)
that he proceeded to Glendale, Long Island
and at about 12; 05 PM went to 74-36 64th
Place and was, upon knocking at the door, met
by a san who identified himself as Herman
Lang, who he, Sebold, will identifyj
(S. 553 - P. 40)
that he introduced himself to Lang as Harry
Sawyer and said, in the German language, that
Hanlmrg* ,-I#ng. siM' tURM dia ^aoi k*tc* iferfc;:
entered the apartment and observed Lang JB wif
walking ar'ound the apartment dusting. He asked
Lang whether i t was a l l1 right to talk in front
of his wife and He said that i t was*" He then ~
told him, Lang,' that he i s engaged in German
spy work*

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:W-
Lang asked, him, i a*V''
gpoa' Bararian German,
i f he
came from the Gemm Consulate. ^Be told bin

Consul was now i n j a i l * He asfced L8ng i f he

;
knew Or* GRIEBL and FRAULEIN HOFFMAN. Lang
said 'sure he knew them from the newspsper
s t o r i e s ' * Lang asked him i f he had any
identification and he told him that he had not;
that the "Rgntzau, Berlin, Hamburg" greeting
should be enough identification. He then
asked Lang i f he were not in touch with Germany*
Lang said he was not. He said he had been in
Hamburg and Berlin two years ago but said
nothing more about that* He then told Lang that
there was something funny about t h i s because he
had been given explicit instructions in Hamburg
to look him up and t e l l him to come to Germany
by way of Russia and China. Lang stated that
he i s an American citizen and has no reason to
go to Germany. He s a i ^ & a ^ a b o u t a year ago
two men named SOBM^^//^///// came to see bin
and asked him about his work and about his being
a mechanic. They said that they were radio
engineers working for private German firms* He
described Sornau, which i s the description of the
man Sebold knowaasHUGO SEBOLD. He gave no
description 4 f l | H V He stated that he had no
business with tnesemen and had not heard from
them since* He denied sending any information
whatever to Germany. When asked i f he had not
sent over some blueprints from h i s factory,
L*C Norden Company, Lang said that he had not;
that he wants nothing to do with such business.
He acted very tough and he, Sebold, expected to
be thrown out of the apartment any minute*
He told Lang that h i s attitude put^him ,i a , , v
funny, position and saidi" "How. do knowyou-'woa*t
_' Jtir i.i''.it*'i-*.S'i > .Ji J i l l T
i."_ ! " a. "*S ffi'.".^.

'>&,

#^&tt.that'j
Hamburg by the end of April or the first of May
and would. ascertain definitely what h i s , Lai g* si
position i s . He told Lang that he would then
call on him. When he said t h i s , Lang seemed to
waver a l i t t l e and t o be a l i t t l e undecided about
how he should proceed* However, he s t i l l
denied any connection with the Ge^nian espionage
system*
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Sebold w i l l further t e s t i f y t h a t on the same

day he wrote a l e t t e r t o Hugo Sebold, as
followss

"March 2% 1940
"MR. HUGO SEBOLD;
Dear S l r j
Today I talked t o your c l i e n t and gave him
the greetings Rantzau, Berlin, Hamburg*
He said he don't know anything about your
business and does not tract to t r a v e l . I w i l l
not deal any mere with him u n t i l further
advice* Otherwise business o.k
Yours t r u l y ,

HAERT SAWHR
(S.553 - P42)
The above letter was sent by way of Yang* '

(Exhibit U1O~5>6, and

7.)
This letter he turned over to Special Agent
Ellsworth for mailing.

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March 25, 1940 William Sebold will testify from his notes .
(1U>22)
that according to the arrangements made at the
previous meeting he took the Long Island train
and arrived at the Baldwin station, Baldwin,
Long Island, at about 8:00 P*M* and observed
Roeder sitting in his car whidi was parked near
the station*

(S, 553- P.46)

After getting into the car -with Roeder,

Roeder drove him to the vicinity of Grumman*s
airplane factory near Freeport and wanted to
take hisa right up to the plant but he, Set1 old.,
said that he had no interest in going very close
to the plant* During the drive, he observed,
in the glove compartment of Roeder*s car, an
automatic pistol. -After seeing Grummans plant,
Roeder drove to the Freeport, LI. station where
they parked, and' waited for the 9:22 P.M. train.
During the period that they were together,
Roeder seemed to be very depressed, said that he
was worrying a great deal about his family, and
would feel'veiy sorry for them in the event
that he tas caught* He stated that in case of
war Germany will have to pay bin a lot mcr e
than they are now paying; that he, Sebold,
told Roeder that in case of worry both of them
undoubtedly would get a couple of bullets and
in case of war possibly they would both get
out of this game. He, Sebold, recalls that at
( the previous meeting Roeder had stated that it
I was lucky for them that theywere operating in
I. America becauseiif they. were. o p e r a t ^ g ^ a foreign I
! country theywould get their heads chopped of t "},
/* whereas in America they would only get a couple of /'
years "in the jug". *"

- Roeder also told Sebold that he- had been to see

his doctor who "had told him to stop drinking and
to reduce his weight twenty pounds because his
heart was encased in fat. He stated that his family-
did not know that he was engaged in espionage work;
that he had not heard from the other side, and
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that it was "darn funny" that they didn't

communicate with him. He stated that he
would meet him, Sebold, again in fourteen
daysjat which time he would have jsor
material for Mm to send to (feMnaiyj ;"that
he then talked at great length about
Sebold getting*'* job at the Orunman airplane
factory* Soeder stated that he had iigaln
talked *><J/////f1fo stated that there was
no vacancy at the time; that he, Roeder, would
let Sebold know at an appropriate time in order
to fill out an application* They then
discussed the setting up of a short wave radio
station* Roeder stated that he thought
possibly a 200 watt station would be plenty
of power to communicate with Germany as he,
personally, used to coHcunicate with amateurs
in England using only a 35 watt sender. He
mentioned to Roeder the difficulties that he
was having in setting up the equipment, and
Roeder suggested that to get around the law
he should put the set on a trailer which he
could hook on the back of his car, and he
could buy a generator for power purposes
and then when he got ready to send a message
he could drive out in the country some place,
send the message and disappear*
Thus he could change his place of sending every
day and no one would ever be able to find out
who was sending these messages; that if be,
Sebold, had any trouble in getting the equipment
set up that he, Roeder, would assist him
because he knew all about setting up such
equipment. He then asked him, Roeder, if the
$100,000 radio station which he had previously
mentioned was still available. Roeder stated
that this was a commercial station operating
in New York and that it could still be bought,
although he did not give any details as to the
8;, nature or the whereabouts of the station*

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He then asked Boeder If h^'^/fequtafted wx%

the iterden Cca^ianyvf
and knew.,iha,i they Badea%os4> a l g h t i .
told Roeder that he Raited to find ^mp|^re about
this bomb' sight; thai some months ago "iftille he " *
was in Germany he was told by the authorities
that they were interested in the bomb sight and
had asked him if be had ever seen one; that the
day before he left Hamburg he as told by the
authorities that they now have the bomb sight
which the American authorities have been guarding
so carefully, Roeder said that he knew about
this, and that he had heard that Norden had two
of the bomb sights stolen; that one of them was
recovered by the FBI in San Francisco aboard a
ship but no arrests were made* The other one was
shipped out of the United States by way cf Japan
and made i t s way to Germany. He did not say how
he knew this or who was responsible for the
purported thefts He also stated that the plant
where he works (Sperry's) is also making a bomb
sight but this one i s made for the army. Roeder
could not give much information concerning this
sight. Sebold then asked him, Roeder, what rthe
chances were of his getting a 30b at Norden s
so that he could get more familiar with the
bomb sights* Roeder told him that he had a very
slim chance because Norden i s very selective in
personnel, and makes a careful investigation of
applicants. Roeder then told him that he should
report to Gemany that there i s no device in
America which i s used to guide a bombing plane
over i t s target, and cause i t to release i t s bombs
on the target, as described in the mLcrophotographic
instructions which were given him; that he had
learned that such a device was in the experijaental
stage in England at that time. He mentioned that
he had learned this information from two army
officers* ,, ''',;.- " -v.iy:'^ .?> ,

Hethen asked Roeder if he knew a wan nas&ed

m ^ t h e man whdLANG had mentioned* ': Roeder
stated that he had never heard of twfc man iwrfc'
that he .did know a man name
who lived in Belmont, LI.

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Be described this man as being of athletic

build, having a long drawn face, siaU&r to his,
Sebolds, heavy nedc and go^l person^|.%# :-"%? /
He stated that he used to & iixama&^w - " '; v }
rho was, at that time, engaged, in the";'
ss; J k a t on one ,occaaix>n'h;ita0LM,Jb0r;V- '- . Y
the^ Bavarian Villia^e Bestaurant
aad stated they had better stay out of such
places as h e J H H I H B * * s well known i n that
vicinity j ^ a S f l H H * w h a d returned to Germany
xome time back. They discussed at some length
the living conditions in Gexmany and Boeder said
that he did not -want to live there but did not
mind making an occasional visit there. He told
Boeder he did not himself "want to go back to
Germany, to live, and made the remade that 'One
does not knonr, even though you are Hitler's best
friend, what might happen to you" whereupon
jsaid that he knew of a c a s e i n which
named:
the
sn the Gera&n steamer, H H P
^as given some money bythe German author-
bring to Amer^a^ad pay off the
operators here; t h a t V I H ^ used vp the money
and did not pay off. Later, the German authorities
found him and "let hik disappear.* They then
discussed Sebold's. noving out on to Long Island
and Boeder said that if he obtained a job there
he would be able to locate an unfurnished house
in that section for about $35 a month and that he
should plan to move out into that vicinity. They
separated with the understanding that they should
meet the same tine and place two weeks from that
night.
March 26,
1940. Accompanied by Agent Ellsworth, he went to the
Federal Cosmunications Commission, New Tork City,
and secured a copy of the rules governing
amateur radio operators and stations effective
December 1, 1938e *Ct-.? ,; ..\.O'"-1

(S. 598 - P. 3)
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He studied these rales in detail and i t was

noted that sBssages could not> sent by radio ,
in code; 'that they' gtve^thedr caOl Utters
ifeen Vending messages and"fiCfe aanotoa^e 1to
station they are calling end.thai broadcasts to
nations a t war were prohibited. He decided to
talk this natter over with Buqaesue.
March 27, He telephoned Ducpiesne at his office,
1940. TSHitehall 4-3940,

(S. 598 - P. 4)
and made m appointment to meet him at 3:30 P.M.
on March 23th a t the Merit Printing Company office,
84 West Broadway, New York City.

March 28, He practised encoding messages and took his

1940. practice sheets with him to meet Duquesne in that
Duquesne had stated that he was the originator
of the said code. Frosi his notes
(lExhibit 1A3-18)
Sebold will testify that he met Duquesne
(S. 598 - P. 5)
at 84 West Broadway, about 3:35 P.M. outside of
the buildings that they went up on the elevator
to the third floor to the Merit Printing Company.
Duquesne approached the same man t h a t he talked
to the last time. He picked out some printed
matter and asked him, Sebold, if this would bs
enough. He stated that i t was although he did not
get to see vhat the printed natter consisted of.
Duqiesne t o l d the nan t o wrap i t into packages.
The man Hade three packages, two m&l\ ones which
Duquesne took, and one itoich one he, Sebold, took
and wlriefc w#ijb,fd jb'oiii. mi^f.'.pomdtL ^3H$MMBI': ; '
did not a sic the wan how much ~ the material c o s t
and no moBey-iraa exchanged. '' * . : >i ^f-^. .
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Duquesne then told him on the elevator to follow

him to his office, which, he did. Upon arriving
at 120 Wall Street he took the elevator to the
31st floor and asked the g i r l at the telephone desk
for Duquesne* H told her he, was the printer*
She, t#lej^ond Dttjtiesne and faid that the printer-

h
found ItaquesmSia M s offiee^"'^Ji^.i}^i^
5
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was a young woman and another sian"!!! the office*
Duquesne introduced him to fehea people as his
printer. He waited in the office about ten minutes*
He asked Duquesne how much he had to pay for desk
space there. Duquesne said $25 a month* Duquesne
left a note on his desk which said, "Sill be back
at 5:30."
Duquesne then told Mm to meet him i n front of the
building and he, Sebold, l e f t . He waited outside
and Duquesne arrived a few minutes l a t e r . They
walked to the airplane landing platform at the foot
of Wall Street where they talked for about ten
minutes. Then they walked to the H. & H. Automat,
which was nearby. They had a cup of coffee and
talked about a half hour-. They then walked together
to the Pine Street entrance of 120 Wall Street
where they separated* During the period that he
was with Duquesne he showed him a Federal Commun-
ications Commission pamphlet and pointed out the
difficulties he had^to overcome if he Tas to follow
the instructions which were given him in Hamburg*
He outlined his plans to Duquesne, namely, that
he would try to secure a plain language code in
English or German from Hamburg since he would be
unable to send code messages; that he would arrange
to broadcast to some prefietermiried station in
Mexico or America after fccraiishing the call signal to
Hamburg and when he broadcast to that station
Hamburg would know that the message was for them* :
Thus he would be able to avoid broadcasting directly
to Hamburg, using the German call signal. Duqueene
did not show very much interest in these problems,
and stated that as far af.be-could se .the ol ii
were al right.. He 1&M )&A&ffi4iug+***

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a friend ifeo was an amateur and that he and this friend bad been playing ''
around with the German and American stations. Duqueene asked, if this
friend was trustworthy* and he teld htm that he was, and that he did net
know what hie, SEBCID'S, business was all about.
DUQOESNE said that it was proper to ask Hamburg
for a suitable cede to be used is Making the broadcast. He then asked
bin if the method which he used in ceding his Messages b7 using the cede
book was correct, and shewed him a sample page, which he had worked out.
Duquesne examined this sample, and be, SBBOID, explained to M a how he
arrived at the code. Duquesne said that this was entirely proper. Con-
cerning the sending of sail to Hamburg, BUQUESNE M i d that it was the
propsrprecedsretejftlacend the natter inside an envelope addressed to
''ttl&GjHHIimHV * that these men, upon receipt of the matter,
fcrC-
He, however, cautioned him,about sending matter by
China Clipper to Wang, stating that the Clipper lands at Hong Kong which
is practically under English supervision and that the mail might be
censored by the English* He stated that it was better to determine when
a steamer left the west coast, which would touch Yokohama or Shanghai
and send the mail matter by boat.
With reference to sending mail tefHflfr 8 8ai* that he,
SEBGLD, should make certain that the English are not getting their hands
on the nail at Bermuda* He asked Duquesne about the training ho was to
receive in making prints and micrepbotegraphs on the inside of the
envelope

DOQUESHE said that the man who was going to train

him in this process was presently out of the city, but that7 as soon as he
returned he would have him, Sebold, start working with him* He explained
that the envelope is taken apart, and a solution is painted on the inside
of this envelope. The picture is then printed oa the 'elrtfljepsj" iad
developed* It is then bleached out and Bailed. TJ* authorities in
Germany will then restore the bleached message. ; -: > .^v

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He told Duquesne. that he understood from

Germany that letters from Germany should be
examined for dotsabout the size of a pencil
point which dots, when examined under the
microscope, would reveal a message.
Duquesne said that he knew about that method
of sending messages. He told Duquesne
that he examined some letters received from
Germany by other contacts of his in town
but that he had not been able to find any such
dots whereupon Duquesne said that there would
not be any dots on the letters received by
contacts in New York because all mail is sent
from Germany to San Francisco where it is
re-written. He then asked Duquesne, "Who rerttes
LI" and Duquesne said "Hitler'si
S&AU. j I
Duquesne then said, nj. guess you know"
Beyer"(or Bayer) (pronounced Buyer), and he
asked him, Duquesne, what he looked l i k e . He
said that he was-about 43 years old, very well
dressed, wears his hat with the*brim turned down
a l l aroundend wears spats; that he smokes
a l o t of cigarettes, drinks a lot of wine, goes
with a lot of women and i s a real sport; "that
his face had lines and appeared to be drawn
similar to h i s , Sebold'sj that he, Sebold, pointed
out that t h i s description answers that of Hugo
Sebold* He told Duquesne that he knew Beyer as
Henry Sorau and that he was his best friend in
Germany and that he sometimes uses his, Sebold's,
name, whereupon Duquesne said that he knows of
that arrangement whereby Beyer assumes the name
of somebody with whom he i s working* .,,.
Duquesne said, that 1^ pers<^13y;h*aiused;the
name,of ARlfSTEIN i&ile he w s d a j j - ^ 5 * - * - ^ " '
He said that Captain Bejref "TWW -tsbi
the Deutscher Lufthansa - (German Air
as a flying captain* He, Sebold, gathered from
the conversation that-Captain Beyer had flown the
route from Europe- t o South Anerica and had arso
probably done some Hying in the United States.

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He then told Duquesne that he was going to ,

get a job at the Gruawan airplane plant*
Duquesne said that that was a'good place
to work. He said that he has had some
blueprints out of that plant*. He then talked
about the gas aask which he sent over to
Germany, stating that he sent this mask to
Italy on the S.S. REX and that he had heard
nothing about it. He further stated that the
mask contained a mustard gas neutralizer and
also some telephone equipment. Duquesne
then showed him a letter printed in blue ink,
headed TJ. S Senate". This letter gave
information concerning recently passed espion-
age laws and was addressed to Duquesne*
Duquesne pointed out that from the letter that
"Now we can get from ten to twenty years for
this business". He said he was sending the
letter to Germany. He, Seboid, was unable to as-
certain the name of theJ sender who had trritten
the letter. He then told Duquesne that he had
learned that there -was no control of bombing
planes as referred to in the microphotographic
instructions which he, Duquesne, had received.
Duqtresne said that he had found out from some
of his contacts that there is such a device in
the United States; that the airplane is directed
over the target by means of a balloon arrange-
ment which he had already reported on to
Hamburg. In talking about his contacts in
Germany, Duquesne always referred to them as
"they", and never brought up the name of
Germany. He said that "they" wanted to send
him to Canada recently but that he did not
have enough money to go there and workj that
there, apparently, was some special piece of work
that they wanted d$i?efev$that hetad;to stay

again about' hiding things" that should not be found

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'"
a document or. "a sinall* piece of. paper confcaiiDlng
the inforation he needed by;tira.pptngv it around
an ele^o'3Agfa.t,cw4 or & bWe,wire some place
and tbea Wapplj^" friction tape'over the paper* 'X
He stated that the average individual is afraid
of electricity and would not suspect such an
apparent connection. He also told b that a
good way to secrete information for future use
was to go to the public library, particularly
some section like the Patent Section where
books are very infrequently used, select a
certain book, make notes on the pages of the
book and then replace the book on the shelf.
Ihenever hs needs to refer to the information
he could go again to the library and review
the information in the book. He also pointed
out that when he personally writes down any
addresses or telephone numbers or any other
type of number he always writes it reversed.
For instance, if he were; to write down the
number, M312 " it would appear in his notes as "213 "i
He then made the remark that he knew who his,
Sebold*s, other contacts were in New York although
he mentioned no names. He then talked a great
deal about his trial in New York and in connection
with the trial he pointed out that he had been
able to get sent out of the court room twenty
seven times* This he accomplished as follows:-

Whenever he was taken from the Tombs prison he

would swallow a cigarette and two glasses of water.
This would cause his bowels to move in court,
whereupon the Judge would order him taken from
the court room* This eventually caused the court
to have him examined for insanity which resulted
in his escape* He, Sebold, suggested that this
must have taken a lot of nerve whereupon Duquesne
said it-merely took
Duquesne
and, he wotild give hiisi l^to^spe^^l^jg^Rr ranker
at their Siext i .. w . _ _ , . , %s_._, ,_t.
next time he met him, Se^xild, he would give M m
a grenade which he, wants, photographed*

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that he was advised V Agent SUsworth that

a new pos^; office & , iaii|far 574, *% the : _
Grani Central Annex Station, 45th Street and
Lexiiig'ton Avenue, had beejprrOb'tai&ed for liia
urider"iiie name c^ HAHRX SislEB for the next
quarter; that Box #865 at the Church Street
Annex station wouldbe retained for an
additional quarter.

March 29, With the assistance of Special Agent

1940. Ellsworth he prepared two letters to Hugo
Sebold, and coded one. The coded letter
read as follows:-
(S. 598 - P. 10).
March 28, 194-0
I an ready to operate radio by end of April.
Codes prohibited. Said me pode using plain
English or Germsn words. 1 will rise book
code for letters, cablegrams. Bo you have
Medican amateur station I can broadcast to who
can relay messages to you, or I will cable
you name of some Mexican or American station so
when I broadcast to that station at definite
time, you know message is for you. I can
also receive your nessages. Cable me at once
when plain code will arrive. I send this letter
via I B M . Sent letter last Saturday via V
about LAMQ. He does not know you. Won't go to
Germany. Asked me for identification. Shall
I see him again? My new address box five seven
four Grand Central Annex."

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March 29, She ottoer read as follows* s, ;

1940. (Cont.) .
(S. 598 p. 13) * i **"

March 28, 1940

Dear Friend Hugo;

How are you old bean. I have not heard

from you for a long time. I am at my old hobby
again and have ejoyed the book you gave me I am
bitten by the radio bug and since your an addict
yourself, I "want to teLl you the changes "which
have been made which take away some of the fun
from the amateur bugs. I am sending you a bulle-
tint that shows recent changes in regulations
now we can broadcast on 14000 to I44OO kilocycles
and from 7000 to 73000 kilocycles. Any other baaie
are prohibited to amateurs*j I am also working to
secure my license from the F. C. C. and as soon as
I get it I will b e given a call signal which in
New York always starts W, 2. Amateurs have to
give that signal when they send messages* Some of
the fun of being an amateur broadcaster is gone since
we cant broadcast too countries at war, but of course
there are many distant points in amerika, Mexico
and other places where we can broadcast to. Another
thing that is fun for all amateur broadcasters to
locate stations broadcasting to countries at war
and using codes -when amateurs can locate such
station we are honored for helping the F. C.C. tho ~
are also loking for them.
I would be interested how you are making out in the old
hobby. Write me soon. }fy family is fine# How
are yours I saw your friends and they look fine.
f % * i

envelopes and sent copies by

.(Exhibit 1118^30,31,33, 35,

36 and 38.)
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There were also included with t h i s l e t t e r

microphotographs of the Federal Ctwaainicatione
CoBaaission pajapfelet arid whatever method of
coding was used in th above letter,'which
method will be explained by Sebold from the
exhibits mentioned above*

April 5, He will testify that he went to the office of

1940, the REALSILK HOSIER! MILLS in New York to obtain
information as to the possibility of obtaining
a position as a salesman* They referred him to
the Jamaica office of that company for employment
stating that in New York the company sells only
to offices.

April 8, Sebold will testify from his notes (U13-22)

, that, according to a previous arrangement made
with Seeder, he arrived at the Long Island
railroad station, Baldwin, L#I. about 8:00 Plf,
and observed Roeder s automobile parked near
the station. He went to this car, entered
and found Roeder sitting therein. Roeder drove
around on various highways until about 9:00
P.M when they cake back to the Merrick railroad
station and he took the 9:16 P#M train to New
York. During this period Roeder stated he
expected to have something "big" for him in four-
teen days, stating that be had tried to get
this item, which he indicated was a large blue-
print, out of the Sperry plant$ that he hoped to
get this blueprint during the next two weeks
He then asked him, Sebold, if he were able to
photograph a large document such as this. He
told him that he could. Roeder stated that
this time irhen he gives this particular print
to him he will want him to destroy it after
photographing it,and not return it to him as
he did with the other documents.

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Roeder stated that he bad found that-the ;;

information he. .prev^ously.^Tre -?&* JMuaely,
* that there i s no device'in t i e United States
for controlling the movements of a bombing
ship over targets and then releasing the
bombs was in error; that he i s presently
working on such a device and that on Tuesday,
April 9th, he was to make a t r i p in an
airplane to experiment tdth this device; that
he would t e l l him a l l about i t at their next
meeting* He then asked if he, Sebold, was
s t i l l desirous of working at Grumoan*s. He
told him that he was, whereupon Roeder said
that he believed he could ge^^^Job for hi
there as he had spoken toMHHKagain; that
he would contact him, SebojS^ft an appropriate
time with reference-^^ppjying for this job
He asked Roeder i f f B d f i s a German, and
Roeder said that he^E^a^erman-American. He
then told Roeder that he expected to more to
Long Island in about two ireeks. Roeder then
asked him how the radio was progressing* He
told him that everything was practically in
order and that he had written to the other
side for a new code which would be suitable for
sending messages without exposing himself
for violating the Federal Communications
Commission lws Roeder asked him how powerful
the station was and he told him that i t would
be about a 1,000 watt station; that his friend
had the radio on Long Island. Roeder did not
ask for further information.

Roeder again was in a poor frame of mind and

complained a great deal about not receiving
any money from tfcf other sid fie stated he
lie $buld.. secure* 'a T 8 ^ ^ & t S ^ p ^
, mountains ,in Pefmsylvania at twice
was getting t Spewy? sV* E#- lS

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pay he received (referring to Gsrmany)

was in July 1929*" He ,fcbea asked him.
receiged this money* Roeder said that
P ^ f the SS. HAKSA, name not given,
brought it to him* that he was sttp^dsed to
have gotten more money in September but the
war started and he had not heard anything
more until he, Sebold, had contacted him.
He said that $500*00 since July 1939 was not
enough to pay for the risk that he was takingj
that he was going to quit work for the
other side in a month unless they tame across"
with more money*

Roeder seemed to have the Griebl case on hie

mind and asked him a considerable number of
questions about the case. He told him, Roeder,
that he knew little about the case except
that he had heard that G-riebl received a castle
in Germany; that he h&d heard this information
on the boat while coming,to America* Roeder
asked him if he knew Rutftrich #10 was also
connected with this case. He told him that he
did not. Roeder then pointed out that the
other side does npt take good enough care of
its agents and said that they forget a fellow
when he gets in trouble. He said, for example,
that he knows a man named SCHA.DE who is about
60 years old and was the superintendent of an
apartment on Riverside Drivej that Schade used
to be over him, Roederj that the Federal Bureau
of Investigation picked Schade up and questioned
him very extensively but did not get any inform-
ation from Schade, After this no one would give
Schade a job. The other side asked him to come
back to Germany, and said that they would take
care of him but Schade refused to go back because
his faaily was living in New York. Roeder
said that he would like to help Schade "but that - vj
he is afraid to do anything for M m * .'.-. ^j?

He gave Roeder his new post office box number *

574, Gpand Central Annex. They then talked about
his, Sebold's,-getting e car and he,.Sebold,
stated that he did not have very much money except " ' ""**
his own money and Roeder told him not to be a
fool and use that for the other side.

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April 9, 1940 Sebold will testify rs.7,

communication in the
-us coded, fhe message
Jt 1
(S, 721 ~ P. 4)
"ROEDER says that you owe him $1500; that he
promised $200 a month. Testerday he said,
'They will send me money within a month or I
will quit this business.' He has promised
me some important drawings within two weeks.
He is experimenting with a bombing device. I
will have the radio ready in two weeks* I
will furnish you fuller information later on
as soon as I receive your new code#

H S
Box 574
Grand Central Annex^ New York"

.(S. 721 P. 34)

This message was coded based on the book,

"All This and Heaven Toow

(Exhibit U1846,47,4fi and 49).

This conwinT)lga|-,M3DTa^jaddregsedtc
-was
burned over to Agent "Ellsworth for mailing on
the night of April 9, 1940*

April 18, 1940 He will testify that in order to have an

explanation as to his source oTincoae he went to
Jamaica),''. *. y&tH i e t i & s of- rzwemi$mi s<
po sit Ion as. salesoaii* Ee eacplainedi .to thep that.., -'
he expected to secure work as a mechanic at the

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Grumman Airplaze Plant in the future but that

i was a t t3^B$to i n too poor hetlVkJp I'JiY--. .:~K'"-
take up sar#Mav7 p*grsieal: work and desired -
some work which he could vozk a t for limited j
periods of -tiLae, They gavehim an appointment . &
as a fiealsilk hosier/ salesman and he spent -"
the afternoon in training.
He will further testify that on the same date
he took from Post Office Box 865, Church Street
Annex, New York, a l e t t e r *hich, when opened,
was from LILLY STEIN, written in German, and
which, when translated, read as follows:
17.4.40
Dear Harry*
I have heard nothing more from you for a long
time. Please call ne up* Maybe we can see
each other i n the next few days*

Sincerely,
Li.

(U19-37, 38.

April 19, Sebold will testify from his notes (U19-13)

1940. that a t about 9:40 A.M. he telephoned LILLY
STEIN at her home at which time she asked him
to come to her spartment at about 4:00 P.M.
that dayj that he went tQ her apartaent, i ,,
located %t a^iaai'34th'%^s% ; l,i^|3rrk City,- V " ^
arriving about 4sOO P.M. afce'fle^ewHl-ib^be,;.;-; ;, ^'v^iV-'.- U

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lonesome and to have wanted M a jaainly for

the purpose of having sesie one%o talk toV
She said that she had not heard from anyone
on the other side and that since she had
not heard from him for a long time she wonder-
ed if he was stiU in the vicinity of New
York. In their conversation he told her
that he was unable to get the parties straight
whom they were dealing withj that she seemed
to know men under one name, and he knew them
under another, and he iras anxious to get
them straightened out He then asked her about
SORAU* She described Sorau to him, gave him
an exact description of HUGO SEBOLD and she
stated that Sorau was known as HEDJRICH KURZ
(possibly Kunz) in New York; that he lived in
New York from 1926 to 1939. and had worked
for the Fokker Airplane Company and also as a
chauffeur in New York 0ity She stated that
she had known him in {few York, and from her
talk he had been her contact man while he
was here. However, this does not coincide with
her statement that SOSA.U had induced her in
Hamburg to enter the service of the German
Government and come to New York* She stated
that he, Sorau, holds an American passport.
He is very smart and an outstanding man; that
she could not understand why he had not cone
to America again by that timej that she was
expecting someone to come over in the near
future, otherwise she should have heard from
someone on the other side* She stated that
Sorau had practically given her the "third degree"
in Germany and that he had crossexamined her
extensively concerning her past histozy and her

; V-" ''/'

Sorau he decided that it was the man. that he

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knew as HUGO SEBQLD and not JJU SHSHEH* She .. .

stated that she had received money in March
through the Chase National Bank by way of Holland;
thatthis money would l a s t her about a monthj
that she always felt fine when she had money
but when she was out of money she worried a
great deal; that she had been in bed the last
fourteen days, with the fluw#
She also volunteered that at the previous time
that he, Sebold, had called on her when she was
sick she had had an accident. He asked her i f
she had been ran over by a car, and she replied
that she had not; that she did not know who the
father was of a child she had, and that she had
had an abortion which cost her $100*00; that
things are a lot better with her now, and that
she had obtained a job to be a hostess at the
World's Fair as soon as ! i t opened; that she would
be paid $20 a week*
She asked him i f he knew "the Captain" He asked
her if she meant' CAPTAIN EATER- She said, "No"
that she meant'Captain WEGENER-of the Lufthansa*
He told her that he did not know Captain
We gene r and asked who he was* She did not make
any further statement concerning him except to
say that she had met him in Hamburg* She then
asked Mm i f he knew the man named SCHNEIDER*
When he said that he did not, she said that he
was the man who met her at the railroad station
when she arrived i n Hamburg, and that he, SEBOLD,
gathered from her conversation that SCHNEIDER
had taken her to live at a hotel near the railroad
station* He asked her what Schneider looked lite
and she said that lie i^s baM headed^ wsr glasses
a n d ' w ;abcmt> A$ j*ra*.<aa^He 't&A ^ d P & r ''
i f toe was a kiad ,pt * sneaky fellow" *&$'
Isaaediately reeogaiiHjiti .fftmr'tbe d e s e r t i o n that
she gave that this aan answered the description
of KflR who brought him some money at the . .
Klopstock Pension.

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She said that he was a sneaky allow*, however, ;

she did not recognise the name of gfeierl*
She stated that she had received an offer from
a girl friend of hers whom she did not naae, to
come to Japan and live* She said that this
girl friend had everything all fixed up for her
so that she could live well there. She stated,
however, that it cost too much to go to Japan
and that she could not afford the trip. He then
asked her what she knew about Gentian operators
in Detroit. She told him that all she knew
about Detroit was *feat her girl friend told
her and he believes that she was referring to
ELSE "the secretary to the lawyers in New lork"
as this was the 011I7 girl friend that she had
mentioned up until this time. LILLY said
that she personally had never heard the name of
any one who was working* in Detroit as an operator*
He asked her if she had heard from' Jim -and she
stated that she had not. She attempted to find
out who the other agents were that he was contact-
ing, and particularly if she was the only woman}
that he told her that she was the only woman
and that the rest were just a lot of "nasty men"*
He told her that SJ.WIEE was not his right name.
She said that she had suspected that was the case.
He then asked her if she knew about the pencil
point messages contained in letters and she said
that she did not. He then asked her to show
him a letter she had received from the other side,
whereupon she produced a letter from her handbag
and handed it to him* This was the sane letter
that she had showed him before, which was from
Sorau, and in it Sawyer told her that Harry Sawyer
ld caU, vpofi. her. J!he i&tter was not in an '

letter was addressed

to JJT.T.Y SfEIH At 327 East 54th Street* He
suggested that she might hide such things' by, wrapping ; *
them around an electric light cord and cbveririg
them up with adhesive ape and told her that she

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then
reason,,:
froa
intercepting the mails at'Bermuda* He then told
her that he had been, working too hard to get
his radio set up and completed; that he was
waiting for a new code from the other side.
He told her that he might have to get connections
with the other side by broadcasting a lot of
names that were familiar to them such as
Klopstockstrasse, Rottenbaumschausse, Heinrich,
Lilly, etc. He further told her that once he
made connections -with them he believed that he
would be able to send messages to the other
side more easily. He asked her to notify the
people on the other side that he is working on
a radio, and that he was very active. She
asked him a lot of questions about the way the
radio functioned and Ipw connections were made.
She appeared not to be very familiar with codes
and radio hook-ups. She stated that she was
anxious to do something really big, and become a
heroine in the,eyes of the officials in Germany;
that she would like to do something like finding
the most secret code in the United States; that
he, Jokingly, suggested that she might want to
lead the President of the United States around
with a halter and chain, to which she 3aughed#
He told her that nothing was sefret in the United
States; that "you could read everything in the
newspaper". She indicated that she had been
unable to get any information of value. He "5
then started to tease her about HEINRICH, her
friend in Germany, and stated that he was going
around with another woman. She stated that she
did not care; that he had nothing to do with
>-- *t'i
V*
"bo make /sons subtjJjsT fi$rajwes^jfesaip^r4' liis^ &no! .">"/, \

replied fcha% perhaps i v i f o ' bcaniie theyT^rorfced

-too hard. She stated that she had. found, t h a t . they

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were a l l afraid of woien. to which he replied

that ha also was afraid of -women; thatch also
told her that he was too old for her'end&Lso
told her about his wife. He then told her'
that he had obtained work with the SEAISILK
ROSIffiY as a salesn&n, and was going to s e l l
directly to individual customers. She did not
offer to Introduce him to any of her friends*
She asked him to keep in touch with her and
also l e t her know what the developments were,
and also to l e t her know when the radio was
ready for operation as she might have some
information to send. Ee told her that he would
l e t her know and she said that she would keep
in contact with him in the event that she obtairt-
ed any information*

On April 22, He obtained

1940" 1U SI L.I. As he
had arranged with Roeder to meet him that evening
he was taken to Lynbrook, L*I by A.gent Ellsworth
and attempted to catch, a train from there but
the train which would arrive at Baldwin, L*I
at the appointed time did not stop, therefore,
he missed his meet with Roeder at about 8s00 P*li#
He took the next train which arrived at Baldwin
at 8:36 P%M. but Roeder was not at the station
waiting for him. Be then telephoned to Roeder's
home, FReeport 7483* which number he had obtained
from the documents previously given to him by Roeder*
The lady who answered the telephone advised that...
Roeder was not home. He made another call to
Roeder's home about 9:14 PM and Roeder s t i l l
was out. He then returned to New York and wrote
the following l e t t e r ;

April 22, 1940*

Bar Roeders
". Y -
Sorry I missed the train. Arrived in the next one
but did not find you. I phoned your house twice- .

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"but y o u where n o t home* Please w r i t * '-', "

m e -when I can meet y o u soon.
Yours* - -.;*"

Bill
1
?
Box 574,
Grand Central Annex."

(Exhibit 1A13-59).
(S. 976 ~ P# 8 ) .

On April 24, Sebold will testify from his notes

1940
(Exhibit 1A3-18) r

that iii order to ad-vise Duquesne of his new

address he telephoned to him at his office, 120
Wall Street, about 3:45>P-V. Duquesne stated
that he would meet him at the usual meeting place,
84 West Broadway, New York City, at about 4?30
P.M* Duquesne arrived at the appointed meeting
place about 4:40 P.M

(S. 919 - P* 9)

They stepped inside of the building for a moment,

and then came out and walked across the street
and around the corner t o the Horn and Hardart
Automat at 128 Chambers Street* During the
conversation Duquesne stated that he had been ....
followed fairly closely for the last several days
and that he was moving his office from the building
in which i t was located and probably would move
to 120 Broadway. H, Sebold, told Duquesne that
he was moving to 144 Washington Street^'Hei&patead, ... -<
L.I* which address ItoquesW w ^ f . 4<^.'' 'f*>jlj^/' :" ' -.v'f
then arranged to meet -every Wednesday afteanaoW at .*",-;
2:00 PM* at 84 West Broadway* / .: v'l". "; \
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Doquesne then instructed hi-jarto'-Ahe precautions

precau
to take a t these Tneet'ingsv' frefwuf l&a'thai*- i*
d
if he, Duquesne, was holding h i s m i ^if ^a ttoba V
Vi n .;]
his hand or toying with i t toat I t wcfttld'tse'li. , .
signal to "watch out" and not come near;, that i f
he received in the mail a pamphlet which was
cut in two by a scissors and had a pin hole through
i t that i t was a sign that he wanted to see him
immediately, but if he received a torn piece of
paper that would be a sign that he was to stay
away from him until further notice* He then
gave him, Sebold, his regular mailing address
where he said he received a l l his mail, namely,
the Securities Service, 120 Wall Street. He said
that he could be written to there under the name
of Duquesne. He further stated that about two
weeks before he had mailed to him a radio pamphlet
at 223 East 82nd Street, which indicated that he
wanted to see him5 that he had obtained some designs
of an airplane wing from Chicago and thought that
he might have him photograph them* However, when
he did not hear from him he sent the designs to
the other side. He .stated that he had lost his,
Sebolds address, 220 East 85th Street, (this
being Seboldfs address at the time). He then
asked Duquesne from whom he had obtained the airplane
wing design but Duquesne did not reply*
He then stated that he had a new American gas mask
which weighed about five pounds, and which he wanted
to send to Germany but he did not know how he could
send i t . He also stated that he had a l o t cf
"stuff" which he would like to store away somewhere
and asked him i f he knew a reliable person in whose
care he could leave this "stuff11. He told him,
Duquesne, that he did not know a good place
but would be glad to take care of them himself*
Duquesne stated that he would think^ tluyM&1<er overj

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.that he had, to
'i*gb fir """'" *
1^;a\bai)k. H;
some money
pay i t -^o
He did not mention the
his ol4*
stated that the bask was making an investigation
before it would pay him the money* He then spoke
about a method of hiding writing from investigators
and said that he, Sebold, should buy some chemicals
the name of which he, Sebold, could not remember
which he should put in the ink and which would male
the ink fade out in about two days, thus, would not
be legible to anyone who was investigating his
papers. He also stated that he would mail to him the
formula, for material which he should smear on an
envelope prior to making the photographic print
on it for transmittal tc the other side. He also
suggested that he buy some film cement and put it
on his fingertips when he was working on materials
so that he would not leave fingerprints on it*
Duquesne stated that the FBI investigates the
outside of envelopes -and letters as well as the inside*
Duquesne then asked him how he was getting along
with the radio. He told him that his friend on Long
Island would use his powerful transmitter for sending
messages. Duquesne then asked him if the friend was
reliable, to which he said that he was perfectly
reliable. Duquesne then asked him if he personally
would have much to do with the radio. He told him
that he did not expect to do much work with it
but would see his friend every few days and send in
messages which were to be sent. He told Duquesne.,.
that the thing that was holding him up was a plain" .
language code which he had requested from Germany.
He then explained to Duquesne *hat he had in mind
which was such as substituting words* An illustration
which he used was, *3*. *
'?; ^V >^'l***"*y *^*' *'** ^ f

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message which he would send possibly would be . "'}'

"M&F.Y. HAD A UTTLE IAMB". Duquesne asked him, """-' :
in apparent surprise, where he had obtained the- *<
phrase, "Mary Had a Little Lamb" and said, "That
is the phrase we used oat of Panama while the
Graf Spee battleship was having its battle
off the coast of South America".

Duquesne, in talking about the war, said that he,

in a previous war, had loaded up a wagon with
dead Englishmen so that their remains were
sprawling over the sides of the wagon, and hauled
the dead Englishmen through the streets to de-
moralize the Qiglish people. He said that he
wished he could do the same thing then in Norway.

He said that he thought that this war would last

a long time: that twenty trainloads of ammunition
had been sent out of the United States through
Canada, and that he suspected that the United
States was furnishing the allies with ammunitionj
that he believed that the United States would
eventually get into the war* He did not bring up
the matter of the grenade, which he had referred
to at their last meeting, at which tine he stated
that he would have a grenade for him, Sebold, to
photograph* He seemed greatly disappointed over
the pay which he was receiving for his work,
and said that in the last war the Germans had
over a million dollars at their disposal in the
Urdted States, and that he was able to get every-
thing he neededj that during this war, however,
it appeared that the German authorities expect
their operators to work on patriotism. He then
brought up the matter of the CHRISTIAN FRONT trial,
which was in progress, and said that he wished
that he had known the.man who had.cpmoitted. suicide
during the trial, as h^ would like to have hired
such a man for this workj that he could, use ja. man
like that who would kill himself*1 v. ; >; ' ,

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He then asked Duquesn^ i**ther he should ever

contact the German Consul in Battery. Place,
to which Jjaquesne stated that he should never
get near that place or he would be followed
from then on* He said that the Intelligence
Service never goes near the German Consul,
and referred to himself as the Intelligence
Service* He then asked Duquesne if he knew
anything about the GRIEBL crowd to which Duquesne
replied that they were a "dumb bunch of operators";
that they held big parties at the Astor Hotel,
clapped each other on the back, and openly discuss-
ed their activities, a l l of which came up in the
t r i a l of the case.
He then asked him if he knew CAPTAIN BAYER person-
a l l y . Duquesne stated that he did not know
Captain Bayer personally but that he knew of his
name from an investigation nhich had been made
of the Lufthansa; that nothing resulted from the
investigation, although he recallgdthat particular-
ly one man, whose f i r s t name ~r<asW/////l and who was
connected with the Lufthansa, hadbeenthor oughly
investigated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation;
that he understood that the "got nothing" out of

Duquesne then pointed out that "the less you talk

"the less you have to explain". He then warned him
against associating and talking with German Americans*
They arranged to meet again on Wednesday, May 1,
1940.
On April 25> He will testify from his notes, (U19 - 13)
1940 that he telephoned Lilly Stein at about 12 *15 P.M
at her office and requested an appointment with her*
'-*; "" . "' -.;v'V.:V' ' :-i"': '..' (S. .946 - P, 49)

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She asked him to meet her at her home at about

4*00 P.M. '; . . . ; . ... t
. s

At 4:00 P*M* he -went t her apartment at 127

Bast 54th Street,flewYork City, but she was not
home at the time. He returned at about 4:|5
P.M. and found her there. She iRtated that she had
no infonnation so he gave her his new address in
Hempstead and told her his right name He also
arranged to meet her again on Saturday afternoon,
at 2:00 P*M. at her apartment* She stated that
an Italian boat arrived on that day, and that there
might be some mail or something on it for her.
She stated that her personal business had been
picking up considerably, and that she received an
order that day for one hundred dozen hats.
He arranged to meet her one week from then, on May
A, 1940.

Apil 27 > Sebold will testify thai he received a letter

1940# through the mail, addressed to himself as Harry
Sawyer, Post Office Box 574, Grand Central Annex,
New York City.

(S. 976 - P. 9 ) .
The letter readj
tt
Thursday.
Dear Bill,
Sorry I missed you. See you Monday night - -
Same place Same time.
Carr* n

(Exhibit 1A1>-6.O,61,62*

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April 29, Sebold will testify from his notes

1940* '
(1U3-22)
that he met Roeder at the Baldwin, Long Island
railroad station at about 8:00 PM*

(S. 976 - P. 9)

Roeder was waiting for him in his Buick sedan*

He entered the car and Roeder drove out of the
station and to a tavern along the road some place
where they had some beer. He will testify that
he told Roeder that a week before that he had been
in Lynbrook selling realsdlk hosiery and had
tried to get the regular train there but missed
itj that he took the next train but did not find
him, Roeder, at the station* Roeder stated that he
had wanted to wait for the next train but could
not as he had to hurry to Roosevelt Field and
take part in some test flights. Roeder then asked
him if he was able to make a living selling Real-
silk hosiery, to which he answered that he barely
got by Roeder said that that was all right. He
said nothing about any developments concerning the
job at Grummanis.

Roeder was very angry with the other side fcr

not communicating with him, and for not sending
him any more money- He said that he was "sick and
tired" of being pushed around by themj that he had
been in the business for four years; that it was
always the same. He asked him, Roeder, if the
delays had started since he had arrived to which
Roeder said "No"? that it had always been the same
way; that the other side let him wait for five or
six months and then sent somebody along who said
that everything was all right.and that communication
was established with, the other side, and everything
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situation woald ftLse ain.and he -would hear

iwtfciBg for several stated that -lie
3 ^ Msine ftd
in everything else. He told Eoeder that it
had been like that ever since 1934 j that,
apparently, the only time they are efficient
on the other side is -when they have a lot of
cannon to go ahead of them.

Roeder then stated that he had a lot of important

material hidden away where no one would be able
to find it but that he would not turn anything
over to the other side until he was paid some-
thing. He said that he intended to write a letter
to the other side on the next day, April 30th,
demanding some action and some money and he asked
him to do the same thing. Boeder stated that in
his next letter he "sould refer to the fact that
he was then dealing with him under the name Sawyer
which was assigned him by the other sidej that he
told Roeder that he would write such a letter
also; that he would try to get the letter sent in
the Diplomatic Post; that he, through a third
party, knew of a girl named ELSE who worked for
some attorneys who might be connected with the
Consul* Roeder then stated that he knew the girl,
Else* that she used to take care of forwarding his
mail to the other side. Roeder stated that he
himself was probably the most important man the
other side had, due to his connections with
experimental laboratories and airplane plants;
that he could not see why the other side contin-
ually gave him the "cold shoulderB He then asked
him what was his mailing address on the other side,
and he stated that it was IB. LEON HAHDT, 135
Rottenbaumschasse, Hamburg.

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Roeder then asked him hew he was getting along

with, the radio. He told him that he was not
doing anything at that time as he isas waiting
for action from the other side with reference
to the code* He stated that he would mention
his, Sebold*s, difficulties in h i s l e t t e r
He then asked Roeder more aboutjmjfwhom he,
Roeder, had mentionedontheir ^Histmeet*
Boeder stated t h a t f l H H t u s e d to work at
Sperryts plant withnim^xkat he i s a German
citizen and he thought from observation that he
would make a good man to engage in spy work
for the other side; th&tflHjHpplanned to take
a vacation t r i p to Geraany^aST to drive his
own car so he, Roeder, suggested that he take
along several cartons of American cigarettes*
C A f t e r f l H B l e f t he, Roeder, wrote the other
X) side t e H S g then that he would be a good man,
and suggested that they arrest himj that when
i^^ in Germany he was arrested
Germany on a charge oi smuggling cigarettes
and after being tsken into custody was shown
a very good time by the authorities who tried to
induce him to engage in espionage work for them
in America. However, he refused to work with
them, and he, Roeder, believed that this was
due princinallv benansp of his fear for his
i returned to Anerica, and
en tried to become a United States citizen,
however, he endeavored to bribe someone in order
to speed up the naturalization and the Judge
refused to give him his citizenship* He then
went to Sperry's and told them what happened to
him in Germany, but Sperry*s refused to re-hire
him.
He observed that Roeder s t i l l kept his automatic

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|5w coapsrtawat of l$rbt? '

Boeder stoted that i a about three weeks
v
t ^ ^ J i ^ ^
plants there. He ASked Boeder If b* could
see Ma ia about a week. Boeder stated
that there would be BO reason for seeiag
Ma that soon as be would not furmiah any
material or information until be heard fro*
the other side; that he night hare something
back from the other Aide i a two weeks, and
would eet him, Sebold, thea i a Heapstead.
Boeder thea drove aia to the eoraer of
Washiagtoa Street and Fultoa Aveaas, i a
Heapstead, which was a block away fro his
hoae. They agreed to aeet at this saae
corner i a two weeks at eight o'clock.
April 3O, with the assistance of igeat Ellsworth, he
1940. coded the followiag nessaget*
seen Roeder* He refused to foraish
any aore iaformatioa or aaterial m t i l jo
sead hia soaa aoaey. Says he has lot
papers stored away. Hs says he caa get better
job acre aoaey seae place els*. I have amd
ao word froa you slaoe I arrived* Radio i s
ready bat you did aot sead code I asked for
iaorevieas l e t t e r s . Suggest j&vt cable aeaey
to Boeder aad cable ae i f you are seadiag aew
radio code. I aa liviag in fieapetead, Loag
Islaad^ Oae four four Washington Street uader
aaae Williaa Sebold aad keepiag aail box Five
Seven Four, Grand Central Aaaex, Sew lest City
under aaas of Harry Sawyer. I sead code via

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May 1, Seboli m U t e t t i f y from h i . otM

1940* . . . .
( b 1A13-18)
that be met Duquesae i froat of 84
West Broadway, Hew Tork City, about 2t35
(S. 1033 - P. 2)
Doquesae was very nervous, aad pointed to a mam
with a brief case who went into the subway nearby
and said that the mam was a diokj that Ik*,
Sebold, them west across the street te the Auto-
aat, and was followed a minute or two later by
Duquesne. Duqaesae asked aim i f he had any Mt
from the ether side, and he told him that he had
mot. Duquesae stated that he alee had BO word
from them. He stated that he should be i a
Georgia t that time attending the vmjwtmeattam
there but that he did sot have enough aoaey te
do eo. He said that he seeded about tea thousand
dollars to do the thimgs that he wasted to do for
the other side; that; for instance, he had wasted
to bay sone steel plate from Pennsylvania te
send over as a sample but oovld aot afford i t j
that he also wasted to secure a lew teleseopic
sight for a gua but could aot afford to buy i t .
Duquesae then haaded him seme pages out of the April
1940 issee of the "Aero Digest Magaslae" aad
asked aim to make photographs of these articles
aad to furnish him with three copies of each*
They thea l e f t the Automat aad proceeded immediately
to the waterfront where they boarded a Jersey
ferry aad made two round t r i p s . As they boarded
the ferry, Duquesne made a careful obsertatlom to
determine whether or not he was being followed.
He said that his new address was Boom 924, 120
Hall Street; telephone,. WBitehall 4-3785} that he
did aot hare enough money to r remi
;
an office at
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Voile they were talking en the ferry, he asked

Duquesne if he had ever known a Ban fey the BUM of HERMAN JJUC
Buquesne said that he had known a mantoythat name la the town
of Para, Brazil* i n 1926j that this nan was a mechanic or
engineer by trade* He described Mm, but stated that he had no
idea where thia Lang was at that tine as h had not heard from
him in all of those years.
The description he gave was that the Lang he knew
was 35 years of age; 6* t a l l ; blende hair, and blue eyes.
He then asked Duquesne i f he had knows a DR.
3LBOHH1H0T* Duquesne said that he knew Leonhardt very well; that
he had gone around to various plants with him living up contacts.
Tjuqa#tv asked him what Leonhardt was doing at that time. He told
him that he understood that he was the head, of the North American
division of the espionage work in Germany.'' He then asked Duquesne
what the Dr. leonhardt that he knew looked like. Duquesne gave a
fairly accurate description of the man that he knew as Hugo seseld,
stating that he was 40 - 45 years of age, had a lined face, athletic
build, good disposition, and smoked a lot of cigarettes. He then
asked HPQBESQE i f Leonhardt wore spats. Duquesne said yea*
that a l l the operators wore spats; that the spats contained
a secret ink which they could obtain by soaking them i a water.
Duquesne pointed to a l l the docks along the river,
and said that he would like to blow up every one of thau He also
said that he would like to k i l l a few men in Hew Tork, and drop
them OD somebody's doorstep. He did not name any particular individ**
uals*
He asked Daquesne i f he carried a gun to which he
said that he never wore a gun; that i f he were caught with one i t
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He stated that i n the near future he intended t o

pack his books, paper, and other materials in a .,
suitcase and - give the* t o Ma# SSSCSD, - to ?htie m a y r ; ' ...-.,'. S- i^
{{"'stated that he believed he was being followed by . ;.'.:: ' / ' f,
the British intelligence; that recently a man wfcLe;.' . .-.j,
said he was a Colonel from the Boer War caae t o h i s
office sad.started talking to hlaaboat his African
experiences; that tbie asa asked Mm about his
formsr wife, and about one of Ms cousins. Duquesno
said that the san gave himself away when he asked
such questions because no one except the British
Intelligence was acquainted with the fact that he had
such a cousin and about his former wife. He believed
that this sian was an intelligence officer and was
making about fire Pounds a week and expenses for "snoops
ing around**
SSl>SSSSSlSSBm)
Duquesne then asked his fox,m|^Baddress
stating that he could not find it. He gave this to him
again and Duquesne stated that he was going to write
* letter to the other side and tell then to provide
his, Sebold, with a new radio code and tell them that he is
working on the radio* They then had a general discussion
about his, Sfeboldta, experiences in South America, about
the war, and other general topics. He premised to
bring Duquesne the photographs of the magaaine articles
as soon as possible* Duquesne requested that he telephone
him irhen they were ready*
They separated at the ferry landing on the {few York
side.

May 2, SEBOLD turned over to Ellsworth the articles f roa

1940. the AERO DIGEST MAGAZINE of April 1940 which he r e c e i v e d
from Duquesne to be microphotographed as Sebold had no
f a c i l i t i e s i n Hempatead for Baking xierophetograpks*

(Exhibits 143^198 and 199)

(The a r t i c l e s froa t h e AERO nTOEST M4OAZIHB !

-:/' of Aprn 1 9 ^ i ^ f b Sao^aTO,r*9ttested hi* '
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BaD*Lx-Str<berg xa^eet&oa Carburetor*,

Be* Radio Procedures for Trans-Atlantic . ' .,. IJ&lt

Air fraffie* - *t.p*i aaaber i s , a o t / , ' f
showrn. - . '- :
"Custom-Built Manifolds on a Production Basis"*
pages 50 and 155*
"Growth of TACA Air Lines in Central America"
pages 33, 34, 35 and 127.
"Stalling on TaPered Wings" - pages 36, 37 and 38.
"Rorway Bays 24 Horthrup Boabers" - page 383*
"Swedes Buy 300 Planes" - page 383*
"The Air services" * page 92*
"Latest U.S. Aircraft M$e Available to the Allies-
page 76*
Adrertiaeaent pages idth photographs:
1* Page % Kellsaaa Instiunent GLvisioB., showing
the Vultee Vanguard and the Republic EP 1
2 . Page 63, Republic Aviation Corp. with the
following sentesce encircledt "Recent,
current, aad forthcosing designs include the U.S.
krmy Air Corps' P-35t XPMl, IPM3 and P-<44
airplanes} the EP-1 and 2-PA export designs; the
Warrior and Guardsman types. Four new airplanes
are now moving frost the drawing boards to the
production lines. *
3* Photograph of. the new Yomght-eikorsky Seoufe**

U Photograph of a (H*^ U Martin Cosrpaay plane '- ' 4

bearing the t i t l e "High Military Efficiency 4a
Rapid Mass Productietu"
-" " - .- .-"ITS*

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On May 3 , SebeU wiU testify that he *ttej$ed U A ,

1940* reach ItaqMBM <m twlpluw WHithaU>-3785
at me* but receive no response, fiaiUy -" . ,*,
reacMjig hia at 5*00 P.M. at which time
Daquasae asked him to -Bet hia at 11:30
A.M. Saturday, May 4 1940 at 84 l e s t Broadway.
(S 1033 - P . 6)
On May 4, Sebold will testify from b i s aotes
194O#
(Exhibit U > 1 8 )
that about 11:40 A.M. he net DoqueBM a t 84
West Broadway, juat iaside of th *oor tAr h
f i r s t obrTd i^qasa staading ana .igaalliag
totaJJito OMM i n . As soon Mtotatrd the
building Daqutsae said that he waa beiag follow**
and could not spend any tie with bJju 8*
asked him for the photographs and the f l l a
which he gave to h i . Doquesn* then stated that
he would see hia the fallowing Wednesday at
2:00 P.M. at the sane place. They separated
inediately. . (S. 1033 - P. 6)
He will testify froa his notes
(1A19-3)
that on the same day at about 2:35 P.M. he went
to Lilly Stein* s apartaeat, 127 East 54th Street,
Sew York City, where he net her.
(3. 1061 - P . A)
They left the apartaeat together and walked to
the corner of Lexington Avenue and 54th Street
where they shook hands and separated*
He will further testify that as soen as he ; .''.'! - A.
entered her apertaent she aeid that she had ..
recently received t letters from the ether side.
He asked to see these letters and' she produced
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thea froa her handbag. He observed that the envelopes bore "v.
Qerma postaarks, aM also had a little blue Italian label ::
posted on thea indicating that they were to be sent via Air ,v . *'
Mail. ' ' ' ' . . . . . . .
She allowed hia to read the letters, and stated
that they were foolish on the other side to write her such open
letters. He told her that he wanted to aake a few notes about
the letters in order to remind thea to use acre caution in the
future; that he them copied on a slip of paper the following in-
foraation which he wrote in German, which when translated, reads
as follows:~
" Hamburg
April 13, 1940.
I will send you three hundred dollars at
the end of this aonth in order that you
can get ut of your present difficulties.

The other was dated at Stettin, Germany, and a part

of it read as follows (when translated) ~
therefore asked ay eo-worker,j
answer any mail received
you" during ay absence*
/a/ Heinrieh"
He will further testify that these letters were other- -
wise full of nonsense concerning LILLY except that one of thea said
that they were sending twenty Marks a aonth to some ef her relatives;
that he noted that both letters wore addressed to IAX^J Stela,
127 East 54th Street, and that neither bore any censor markings. He
asked her how she case to be acquainted with the man on the ether
side. She stated that in Vienna she met <aerBHFMT mil Mtfmw&r- * >-^
and that he sent her to Hamburg where she aet HeiRrich 4nd the rest of the
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men, however, she did not go into detail as to who

these m were. He askad her if she knew of anybody
else engaged in spy work. She stated that she had
heard of a fellow by toe name of HAHSLBIX2SB, who was
in the export business ea the vest side in Hew Toxic,
and that he left for Germany shortly before Christmas
1939 via Japan and Italy. She did not know anything
ore about Rltter.

She then said that she was certain that America

was going to enter the war, as she had heard someone say
that the Reserve Medical Corps had a Meeting recently in
which they talked about instructions they had received
about entering the war.
She also stated that she had heard that there was
a Japanese airplane base somewhere in Mexico* He did not
want to ask her too many questions for fear of arousing
her suspicions.
He gave her some of his business cards from
the REAXSILK HOSIER! COMPANY, and asked her texeeounend him
to some of her friends who sight purchase Realsilk
products. She said that she would do se, and that she
would also purchase something from him. She stated that she
was going to the Alien Relief Ball and that she was going
to Washington, D . C en a trip soon. He told her that she
had better be careful in Washington of the "G men". She
said, "Oh, I just leek for them and they fall in lore with
me.* She did not say why she was going to Washington*
They arranged to meet the following Saturday afternoon at
2:00 P.M.
On May 8, He will testify that at about 2:00 pas. he went -fee
1940* 84 West Broadway, H e w lork City, where he had an appoint-
ment to w e t Jftcraesae end waited watil about 2:40 P.JU
As Suquesne failed to appear by that time he made a telephone ',
call te Duquesne's office bat did not find him

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He made telephone calls at intervals until 5t(

the "printer" had called, and asked if there -
any work te be done. . : " -

On May 9> SEBCdJ) -will testify from Ms notes

1940.
(Exhibit 1A3 - IS)
that a t about 5:00 PK* he made a telephone call t e
TJUQOESNTS'S efflee i n order t e ascertain i f he wanted
te eee Mm*

(S* 1087 P . 35).

DOQTJESNE seemed to be worried and wanted to
meet him at 9:00 Pif* that night at 72nd Street and
Broadway, in front of the uptown subway entrance. He
went te the said meeting place, and at about 9:15
P.M. Buquesne appeared- coaing from the downtown side
of the subway station. They walked along the park at
72nd Street and Broadway. Duquesne did not have anything
to give hia bat excused himself for not meting
his on the previous day as he claimed that he was being
followed by someone. Be thea asked him, SEBOZJ), if he
had anything to send to Germany as he had a letter be
was going to mail via China, and when he told M m that
he did not, Duquesne sealed an envelope and deposited it
is the mail box at 72nd Street and Broadway, at about
9t20

He claimed that someone had furmished him with

photographic plans of the arny's new Qarrand r i f l e , and
that he was sending the same to Germany.

.DDQUESNE asked him i f he knew of a aaa named HAUSMWOT,

a flyer, who used t o be connected with the Lufthansa.
When asked what he looked l i k e , Duquesne said t h a t he was
about 4 ^ 4 2 y*r ^ ^ ^ m i K ^
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Service and had been in the Unit

eight months during e i t h e r
that he had been too i n d i s c r e e t , and was f a i l e d
back t o aeJWBrT ' '<*" ' c ^ - - : - - - -
He also asked him i f he knew ene XKUB WiLLET,
a Hyer in Germany, during the l a s t war vfeea
he did mot describe. He claimed that Wall**
was also as Intelligence age*l for the German
Government bat while he was i s the Baited States
he swindled some people out of a thousand
dollars and used his job for duping people, inelud-
ing him, Duqueene. wallet was also recalled to
Germany.
Duqueene then advised that he had learned from
his Hyde Park connections that when the German
Arny invaded Rorway, president Roosevelt shook his
f i s t , and banged his table, and stated that there
was a good possibility ^hat the United States would
go into the war. He complained about the people
who have come over from Germany with money Vat who
never appear; that Duquesae asked him a lot of
questions about photography, the way he did i t ,
the cost of the Leica camera, and wanted to know
how he was getting along with bis Realsilk hosiery
job.
He also advised that a group of men, names not
given, had been working for the Fleet wing works,
but they had left the country for Germany} that
at the time they left the country they took with
them the design about dropping torpedoes from an
airplane. After they (Germany) entered the war,
these men were detained in Germany and their wives
had been stranded in the United States.

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Duqwsne thea asked bow be was getting along

with h i s job at tiw OriMin Ui^r>n CUwtpany.
He told him that he had aofc teari U
about i t feat bll*vt that his
wrimnire Boeder, had done nothing farther for
his and that i t was his belief that this ma
had done nothing because he was not toeing paid.
He told Doquesne that this aaa was biasing Ida
for not receiving hi* money* Duquesna said
that he knew who he was talking about and that
he was a good Ban and that he should be paid*

Duquesne also advised that he did not know

Alfred Yon Yegener, sad cautioned him not to
make any contacts i n the United States, except
those authorised by Germany. He also advised
that he sight not receive any mail for quite
some tiae bat oa soae occasions he will receive
two or three letters at a time, and that he should
not worry i f he does not receive any mail*
Duquesne also stated that the United States was
not telling a l l she knew or had in mind about the
war, as they did during the World War, and that
things were mow being kept confidential. He
requested that they meet again on May 15, 1940
a t 2:00 P.M. a t 84 West Broadway, Hew lork City
and stated that he should have gone to Maryland
to witness the "goat bombing" but was unable t o
do so because he was "broke*.

On fitfip 11, Be will testify from his notes

1940.
(1A19-13)
that he went to Lilly Stein's apartaeat a t about
2:00 P.M. and found her i n . ,

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She asked Urn

He told her
that she,
Sift rfrrod W
, appeared in the HStf
a wcaua
wcua who
ho Ml
M hm him
l l d ulth a lot of foreign eurreaoy,
BollABd
including Pounds Sterling and Dollar. She
stated that she was afraid this sauii was
the source of funds for herself ant
others working i n America, and that sow she
would be delayed further. She stated that
she urns very hard pressed for MHf} and that
she had not paid her rest for two snaths
ani waa afraid that her light and gas would
be shut off. She went tnte farther details
about her fiaanoial difficulties. She was
sewing eowthing, sad said that abe, at that
tdae, was doing f&eee work at fire oente per
piece. She aeesed to handle a needle as if
i t were a pitch foxk.

He asked her i f she was a Mati Hari with a

Job. She laughed,, and said that she has
Hari than Mati"*
She said that she should be out contacting people
and gathering information instead of sittiag
at hoae trying te earn a few cents; that she
could not go to Washington, D.C as she planned
because she ted ne sooey. She also said that she
was unable to go to the Alien Relief Ball for
the sane reason* Be asked her avert Else, and
what connection she Might have with the esplon*
age business. She said that Else knew about
the business but was sot engaged in i t and never
did de any work aeti-vely la connection with i t .
She stated that Else refused to mrlc as * spy
as she had taken out her Anerican dtlsensMp ,
papers, and clai-wa to be unsuitable fer this type
f % ^

cane to iBerioa she br

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,< -'.*-->**

___, a T paS the meaty to f#pi:*fi*r ! .

transaittal to M m . She later told him that
this vffjj**;,i$tJ9*** ?A v.<*i-* - & v *'**"'";-;i *^* - ''; '^^
Tjpea Ie#r^^"rrttefe4 to meet hex again tbe ' ' ) '*
following Saturday at three o'clock.

CA May 13* 1940 Sebold will, from his notes,

(U13-22)
testify that he met Boeder on the street corner
near his home la Heapstead, about 7tS5 PM.}
(S. 1033 - P 9)
that Roeder was driving his ear; that he climbed
into the car and was driven around; that as soon
as Roeder was able to speak to aim, he asked
i f he bad received any word from the other side*
He told him that the enly information which he
had was froa eae of his connections i n lewlork,
who had advised him that the "big boss" was
busy with war matters in Qeraany, and was at the
present time in Stettin; that another man was
taking his place and things would soon be
straightened eutj that be, Roeder, should be
patient for a few acre weeks. However, Roeder
stated that he had aade up his aind that he was
through with this business, and that he was tired
of being patient* He stated that he bad been
waiting until that night to see whether be, ' -:
Sebold, would receive any information or money
from the other side for Mm, and since nottdng
bad been received he would go ahead with Ms plans,
namely, as soon as he returned home he intended
to write to the KenidytJlanuf*cturing: Company- '
in Ohio for a job. He stated that he had worked
for 'tni ttm'ia,'

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offer to go back to work for the* as a

shop manager. He **i* that this concern
manufactures cheap mtal products stiea as
tool boxes and that they do act engage
in the manufactture of any n r materials
whatever. He stated that he could have a.
job in Pennsylvania, to union he previously
referred, but that concern manufactures
radio equipment and would be engaged in
war supply manufacture which he wanted te
avoid.
He further stated that he would pat his house
up for sale immediately, and leave for Ohio
as soon as possible. He referred to the fact
that some time ago he had been getting #80
a week from Sparry but that his work required
hi* to fly all over the country, which was
disagreeable} that he asked for another job,
and was given his present appointment at $50
per week} but that he was unable to sake ends
meet with that asiount of money. He then teld
Roeder that he had heard that a woman had been
caught in Holland, with money which was to be
sent to America, and that probably that is
where his money had gone* Roeder, however,
insisted that his patience was exhausted and
that he wanted nothing further to do with the
business. He stated that he had learned that
America was definitely going to enter the war;
that that meant that one, and perhaps, two,
of his sons would go to war against Germany in
which case be wanted absolutely nothing to de with
the spy business. In fact, if the United States
entered the war he said that he would immediately
discontinue his activities any way* He further
stated that one of his sons was going to marry
soon, and it was apparent that he was eencezmed
over the disgrace which might eoae to his.
family in the event he was caught engaged in this
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Re stated that he wanted none of thie "Fifth

Column^ business} ito&%h,w&fQ^$^:1^tei. ' *-*$
States would start in the Pacific, and that
the United States would undertake to pretes't
the Dutch East Indies and thereby get mixed
up in the war; that upon such action being
taken the German-American Bond, the Communists,
and other such organisations w i l l form the
well known German Fifth Column in America, and
undertake to overthrow the United states from
within; that he wanted no connection with any
such movement*
He further stated that he would immediately
write to the other side, and t e l l them that he
was through with this business. He asked him,
sbold. i f there was anyone else engaged i n the
present set-up who knew his, Seeder's, name. Be
advised him that there was no one whereupon
Roeder asked him to destroy any papers he had
containing his name, and address. He then asked
Boeder i f he thought that he was holding out on
him, and Roeder said mo; that he had found
%hat he was the hardest worker that he had seen
in this business; that he intended to write the
other side and t e l l them that he, Sebold, should
get more money and more cooperation for taking
the several risks which he was taking weekly
in contacting people. Be then asked Roeder te
whom he intended to write and he again said that
he would write to TJR. LBOHHARDT, Rottenbaumschassee
135, Hamburg.

Roeder personally brought up the matter of

Grummans and stated that since he, Sebold, had a
heavy German dialect* he did not feel that i t
was advisable for him t try to get work there
because he would be immediately placed under -'
observation, g* stated that hie, SeboleV^ould ' '
c e to Okie i f he wanted a job tod ihat he would ' .

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living CMuliiioiis in Ohio , *

that he wa not going to advise M i what action
he should personally take in connection with
the spy business because he was old enough to
make up his own mind about what he wanted to do.
He then stated that he intended to keep in
touch with him by correspondence, and that if be
heard anything fcom the other side or wanted to
see him again he would write him at the
Grand Central Annex, Box 574. He said that he
intended to destroy all the material which he
had saved for transmittal to the other side*
Sebold will further testify that he tried to get
sore information from Boeder concerning persons
whom he knew or the material which he had but
Boeder was indisposed $o talk about anything
except the fact that be was quitting the
business. He appeared to be in a firm but
apparently relieved mood after having made up his
mind as to this action; that this meed was sons-
what different from what it had seen em the
previous meeting when Boeder expressed eemsidea*
able anger *tth the other side for their ineffic-
iency in paying him bis money and keeping in
contact with him*
on May 15* Sebold will testify from bis notes
1940
(1A3-10)
that at shout 2*10 P.M. he met Duquesae at 84
West Broadway and they walked west en Chambers
Street te the lew t*ri*y ferry landing at the feet
of Clumbers Street, where they gat the f
rode ffr to Hew &**#, "* %L^-'-**'*-a**
D u r i n g t h e < 5 o n r e r s ^ i o n w h i c h e n s u e d , h e asked- , .
Duquesne i f he T B a c q u a i n t e d w i t h anyone e n l o n g ' ' '
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Island engaged i a thl*JttjinB and Duquesne

[(phowtt)T~ He t o l i aim tliai he did I
not know who they were, whereupon Saquesm*
stated that they ha4 returned to Qwmmj m
the Bremen and bad left their wLvaa on Long
Island. Be kd him, Duquene, i f he had
ever heard of a m m i l Roeder and Daqoeaae
said, "Oh, you wean the man who marks at
Sperry*s.
(S. U72 - P. 4)
Khea he told hi th*t that urns the nan, Da<jae8ne
said that he knew of hi} that he was a very
funny nan to deal with, in that he was "hard
boiled" and a very wart individwij that he had
heard that Roeder had gotten the Qyroscope
out of Sperrye and that he had been in the work
about four years and was very eautious*
He then told Duquesne about his problem ooncern-
ing Boeder's quitting toe work, stating that he
was very angry because he was not receiving
money from the otter side; that Roeder apparently
had considerable material saved up, and possibly
the bomb sight, but refused to turn any more
material over. He asked Duquesne what he should
do under these circumstances, Doquesne said
that Roeder should hold on for a while anyway,
but that since he was quitting he, Sebold, should
go to Boeder's home some time aad steal the mater-
i a l s from the house and then set the house on fire*
He suggested that he move to some place near
Roeder*s house for about ten or fourteen days,
and watch him and thus,Iliad out when i t would be -
possible to get into the house -and steal the msitexv* - . 4
i i i ^ i ; UUp*&ti?'&#i:& ih j$itf \$ '-$
Roeder. " Daquetme thought that tit idght be a good
idea. .. . . . ., . . ...

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He then suggested to Duquesne that he try to

get hold of %t}h^xl^^^l^'i^ier^,^m$->, ,
Duqueaae said that leader wsuld not come mear
him in viw of th* wide publicity that he,
Duquesne, had had* He then asked him what
be thought of going to Else and trying to get
more direct connections with Germany through
her. Duquesne said that that would not be *
good idea as she had gotten cold feet" since
taking out her American citizenship papers,
and that she did not work any mere} that she
was very much afraid of him due to bis public**
ity, and that every time he went to her office
she shook all over. He stated that, in fact,
everyone is scared of him because of the public**
jty attached to his name*
He t-hea tali TTuqnesne that he had heard of
him through other contacts under the name of
Jim or Jimmy and Doquesne admitted that he was
known by those names.
He also told Duquesne that he had heard that
money came over for Duquesne from the other side
and was paid to him through Else. Duquesne
admitted that he had received money throqgm Else.
Duquesne then informed him to be on the
for a German American by the name
Hes|^L^|^-^^yMnwasin thef
^^^^BsmV^^HmMflBBM11* fre*
^ P C b a m b e r of Commerce and that he i s an
American spy for the United States Gorernmeatj
that he would personally like to vhoo^thlsman
if he ever got the chance because tfflHHHfrhad
caused him a lot of trouble He tRnesTiinat
one of his contacts in. Georgia ehot a gard i an
a i r o l a i M hatto&l't tfeurfctlria <MB-<SK'&* .Jk&mk**l*
steal a bomb sight and after shooting the guard
and entering the place he could not find any bomb
Bight* 'f-MfcO *-.'.. .-/*-A-T?V

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He stated thai this contact had to. sake, a.

away under wzy trTiag eireuianc*s as he
did not bare any funds* He said that during tb
Kaiser*B t i m erry operator was gives on* thousand
dollars which he n a supposed to keep as a
reserve fund to be used only i a ease of emergency,
that, hovwver, at the present tine the sen are
left entirely without resources. He then stated
that he knew MA a t LsGnardia Field who used to
be at Floyd Bennett Field; that this nan charges
froa $5 to $10 for photographs he takes of s i r -
planes; that this MB> sends these photographs te
the ether side; however, that he, Duqaesne, en
account ef not having any woney was unable te
keep op the contact with faUi and he sells his
pictures to the highest bidder* He stated that
t h i s xan i s an American and not of German origin*

Duquesne then asked If he was acquainted with a

man named VON GUNDHARD ( p h o n e t i c ) who i s an
artilleryman. H told Duqaesne that he did not
recognise the name bub posai&l? knew him and asked
ore about him. Daqoesne said that he bad merely-
heard from someone from the other side that this
man i s working i n Canada for Germany, and that
he did not know him personally*
Doquesne then said that he would personally lite
to v i s i t some a i r field, name not recalled, but he
did not haw a c a r . He then stated that he had
spent the previous Saturday and Sunday a t Hyde Park
and that he had learned there that the Waited
States was positively going te enter the war; that
he had already reported this to the ether side*
He then stated that Gerawiy i*.interested i n receiv-
ing a ^iBited States White Book- and thai #/* ./

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Duquesne was i n a big hurry and stated that he ..

had t o meet soneone tiiat afternoon; that he would
meet him, S*bold, at the sane tlae and place
the following Wednesday, and that he would report:
the Boeder matter to the other side. \-^ -
Sebold further w i l l t e s t i f y that at 2$5O P.M.,
Special Agent Ellsworth handed him a l e t t e r
addressed to himself as Mr. Harry Sawyer, Box 865,
Church Street Annex, New York City, which is a
l e t t e r postmarked New York, N.Y., May 13, 1940,
11:30 P.M.

(S. 1172 - P. 7)
Inside of this l e t t e r , written i n German, was the
following message which, when translated, reads:
"Dear Harry,
i
i

I would like to speak to you.

Erwin Siegler
Chief Butcher
S. S. Manhattan
Pier 59, New York."

In this envelope was also

**

brown formal correspondence stationery, which

letter read as follows:

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" . ,, Ajril,
Dear eld chap!
Many thanks for your letters of March 13th
and 28th.
I'm so glad that you hare seen a l l of my eld
friends and that yon have found the* well.
How far did you get with your radio business?
Have you already pot up your amateur sending
and receiving set? I myself an ready and I'm
getting much fxm out of i t . The other day I
even had an Englishman, but the old beggar
didn't notice that I was aa Italian - and you
know they don't like us fXf muehf
I have met another boarder of the Klopeteek-
pension whom you also know, and he promised me
he would v i s i t you the next time he is i s lew
York* I shall be looking forward to hear what
he has to say about you.
Since I don't expect conditions to remaim friend-
ly I shall try t o leave Italy at the beginning of
next month and i f you want t o write to me please

Hoping to hear from you soon I am as always

yours"
Since the contents f this letter followed closely
the same approach as he used in hi* l e t t e r of
Marefa 26th, 1940, which he wrote to Htigo Sebold
concerning hia {reparations for setting up the radio I
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he and Agent KLlwwrth decided that this l*tt*t

was intended for hi*, Sebold. Inside the brown
envelope was also a typewritten letter on white
paper, written in the Geren language, oaenclng
"Lieber freund* and signed T h . and Br"
A translation of this letter i s as follows:*
(S. 1172 - P. 8)

"Dear Friends
I gather from your l e t t e r s that you probably can
be ready to go ahead on May 15, 1940. In order
that we can find you in the ether (air waves) with-
out further coasafiieatiout, please proceed &
followst
j

Please call fro the above date on for H day*

beginning 6 P.M. (Eastern Standard Tine) for 10
dxrates eq dx W 2.*. We will recognize you in
that you will use the l e t t e r instead of the
usual de. we v l l l search for you between U3QQ
and U4OO kc. During the next 10 aimrtee we will
answer you on 14440 k c . with the call l e t t e r s NAOE"
(not Doit) and so forth until 7 eclook until connect-
ion i s established. The desired understandiag
(connection) will be recognised by our mtuaDgr
giving CK PSE AS.* Then the cosmnication will be
immediately broken off and resumed the next day
at the saw ti&e, not according t o amateur methods
but according to the RLeraann Method, using your
call signal according to the Book. ?ou will then
begin to call*
Sine* t h i s long distance sending depeade greatly \
on %m condition of the atwphere, don't bo ltieHt
i f i t ' ^ n -^ ^, :^^ -g xi m
: | i ^i sg wr ii ai y
Had each other*, Until hear each other again and
greetings frost the- whole club (group). .
Th* and Br*

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There -was another Igppewritten *% io t&i*}*?***, *

envelope, written in Qmaa, which translated, reads ma follow*$

(8. 1172 - P. 9)

Which concern do you work for?

What i s produced there?
lew large i s the firs?
Production capacity?
where do you deliver?
What do you know about delivery of airplanes te
England? ;
We are interested only in detailed information
such as types, mechanical, power of the airplanes,
contractor (one Baking delivery), destination,
shipment (export) - when and on which ship *
details about airplane carriers in construction
how nany planes do they carry, type of airplanes,
special starting and landing devices, other'
; details - newest armament of a l l kinds for a i r -
planes* are sbill*ation preparations apparent *
where, what and la what way * do aany fliers
enlist freely for Eagland (as far as possible,
details about i t ) .
Please pass these natters on to all our other friends."

SEBOLB w i l l testifyythat lie rfe&UaJiiring the tiioe he -l- I

was' receiving instraefcLoa i s Code i a SaBburgif^hsy "referred t o BXl&M&HNs * ' --J
that B i o i m n n , lie*was' a d r i s e d , was t h e c r e a t o r o f t h i s Code, and t h u s '-. ,
they undeubtedly were referring to the use of the bock which they gave ;.%
Ms, entitled 111 This and .Heaven Too.

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In the brown envelope was also & typewritten,,

list of twelve item*, typed en onion ukia paper. This list in *a
follows: - :" ,

(S. U 7 2 - P. 10),

1. development as to the exact determination

of horizon for astronomical observation*
blind flying, bombing, and automatic pilot
2. details regarding automatic pilot
3. renote-eontrols in bombing
4. balancing of gyro in manufacturing
5. how aaoy of the different types are being
Manufactured Monthly and unich is the
monthly capacity.
6- bomb-eight
7. details abt. latest predictor
8, listening devices
9* search-lights '
10. altitude cabins
11. details abt* range-finders as concerns
combinations with ultra violet or
ultra red rays or ultra short waves
12. details abt. latest radio (wt) and
direction finding instruments.
n

(Exhibits 1AX4~4 to 13.

046,47,48,49*69,70,71
72 and 73*)

SEBQLD will further testify that he proceeded to

pier 59 at 5:45 P.M. but was not allowed to go on board the boat. He
then telephoned the boat but was advised that the telephone was only connect-
ed frost 9:00 to 5:00 P.M. He thereupon wro^e Siegler a note, in Gezvam,
addressed to M m en board the M4MBatfSaH The aote, when translated, read
as follow** ' .: .- "'-'. ,:;.. ; :'.

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1
(S. 1T72 - P . 17) f
(Exhibit 1A14 - 2} !

May 15*
Dear Mr* Sieglcrt
I hare received your letter and will await yu
Thursday afternoon at 4s30 PK at the Manhattan
pier entrance* I will telephone you tomorrow
in the course of the morning to see if the meet-
ing place is agreeable with you. I weight 180
pounds, will wear a brown striped suit* brown tie
with white dots, brown shoes, and a dark brown
hat. I will carry a newspaper in my left hand*
Hearty greetings,

Harry '

A carbon copy of this note was made, the note being written
in longhand. The carbon copy will be identified by Sebold.

CXi May 16, Sebold will testify that on that morning he telephoned the
1940* S . S . MANHATTAN a t about 10:10 A.M.

(S. 1172 - P . 18)

and left the number of the telephone booth he was calling
from with the ship's telephone operator o He requested that
the operator contact the Chief Botcher and ask him to
call that number* As he received mo answer 'W10*55 A.M.
' he called back and tr^ operaWr said that b ^ given the '
message to the butcher but the butcher xf*^,to;make,'tht '-#
call* ' I*tw on, in the imM&tl* :jt**lii&* l^st.fttlv'.. .-. *" fc
Box 865, Church Street Annex, a letter addressed to himself '^
as Mr* Harry Sawyer, which was postmarked Hoboken, Hew
Jersey, May 15, 1940 at IOIOO P.M. This l e t t e r was in
longhani and i n German, written en 0. S. Lines, S.S. MANHATTAN
stationery, and when translated read as follows v
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( 1172 . ?18 j
(Exhibit U U - U)
(Q4d and )

May 15, 1940

Dear Harry,
I absolutely must speak to you before we sail to
Italy on Saturday, the 18th, at 12t00 aootu
Bidmty you receive my letter. I am still waiting
for a reply*
I am supposed to give you greetings from the
Pension, the rest I will tell to you later*
Addresst
Slegler
Chief Butcher
S.S. Manhattan
Pier 59
Hew York

On May 16, Sebold will testify from mis notes

1940.
(1A15 - 1)
that he went to the entrance of Pier 59, at the foot of
W e st 18th Street at about 4s30 P.M. and that a maa, whom he
will identify as SIBGLEfi approached 1dm and said,
"Are you Sawyer"; that he replied, "Tes, let*s go to a
restaurant". Siegler then said, "Greetings from Klopatocic-
Pensiom" and said that this was toe pass word* On the way
to the restaurant they talked about Siegler1 s trip from
Italy and about general tejice After they eat dowa la the
restavrasfc, w M e k was the XAGLE B4R MSB OtLXl, located en
th corner of 21st Street and lltk A^noe, w '.j&k"cttar*
me aaked Siegler if he had any mey.r a coda book for
him. Siegler saidfcteathe did mot mare either bttt that he
:
had a friend em board the ship who bad a pile of money*
This friend he ead works for tne German Marine Eapionage
envision and that he would be able to secure all the money
he wanted. He said that the message he was supposed to
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"" ' deliver to hia, SEBQLD, wa

&!-' '>**'.

siailar to his, Sieglersj tact Ids friend is am "old hand"

in this business, and meed to be in Philadelphia. Siegler
thea asked hia how auch money he aeeded, sad he told hia
that he really needed about $1500.00; that he had aa oppor-
tunity to secure soae valuable aaterial, sad possibly
a boab sight* Siegler acted very surprised that he did aot
have aoney, and said thai there was aoney ea the ether side
in abundance. He then asked siegler to go aboard the ship
and get his friend as he wanted to talk with hia. Siegler
left, sad returned but stated that his friend refused to eoae
to the restaurant but that he would be able to give hia
three hundred or four hundred dollars the next eveaiag*
Siegler said that this was his first trip in the spy businessj
reoaeaended by a fellow
introduced hia to a ata aaaed -easePP bo is
ine espionage officer, and lives la the Botei
ia 0Aea. Be stated that-&* is a short,
stooky fellow, of fair coaplexicai. Siegler stated that he,
hiaself, was assigned to work with the Air Divisiea which is
the saae division, according to his statement, to "hi eh he,
Sebold, is assigned* Be then asked Siegler if he had ever
lived at the Klopatock-Penaion. Siegler stated that he had
not* He then asked hia if he knew HOQO SEBQLD and aaaed
other nanes but Siegler said that he had never heard of
thea. He then asked hia if he brougnt ever anything for
anyone else en that trip, and Siegler said that be had not.
He asked hia if he would take soaething back with M a , and
he said that he would be glad to, and that he had aover been
searched*

He thea asked hia if he thought he could

handle a gas a a s k . S i e g l e r said t h a t he thought t h a t h e c o u l d .
He fTanged t o a e e t Maj..AtjO P.M. i n t h r f c t
f i % r t t i Vfth a n d ^ e t r ' t '*

1940* ' HUQO SEBOLD in German, whitthwb^ t r ^ l a ^ a* follows t

-. .(S. U72 P. 23)

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May 16, 1940

Dear Hugo

I have eV your friend froa Klopstock Strasse sad

"?/>' 4?.'

Tour representative in '-Long Island has notified1 W

that he can B O longer work for so little oney, and
since he has not received the proper cooperation
from your side he is compelled to transfer his a*>*
tirLties to another district. He said he finds it
necessary to personally use the materials which he
has gathered together. I believe that an offer of
ore money would induce hia to continue his services
in our interests. Would you be willing to support
auch an offer? I will try to secure asaey froa your
Klopstock friend and to re-establish the brakes eoa*-
neetions. I will let you know further concerning this*
I await your prcapt reply*

With greetings*
Tour
Harry Sawyer*
He will identify the carbon, copy of the l e t t e r .
(Exhibit U U 1)
This letter was addressed to the new
the letter deliv<

He will also testify from his notes

(1A15 - 2)
that he went to the EAGLE BAR AHD (SOU. on the corner of
21st Street and 11th Arenue, at about 4i30
left the restaurant together* walked in
Sttswqr to Coluwbna Circle, Mew lork '
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He will further testily that wpoa nesting SIK2iKR, . ,;

Siefiler said that they would preeeed to Columbus Circle
ithers kis friend with the asney would aest theai; that
his friend did not vast t 1 M seen in the vicinity f
the docks with M a , SEBGLD. Siegler also referred te
the fact that he set hie contacts in Gene*, Italy, on
Colunbus Circle*
Upon arriving at Colvabus Circle, and Central Park,
the/ set a M M whom Siegler introduced by the tune ef
AUFZrJG.
He will identify FRAJJZ STIGLER as being this man.
He asked STTGLER what he did en hoard the ship and
he said that he was the "Sugar Bsker". On the way to
Columbus Circle he observed that SUgler was very nervous.
He asked, him where he would hii stuff &a beard the ship*
Siegler said "in the ice hex". On the way Siegler also
asked what he would tell then on the other side and he
told him that he is trying to get work at Qruaaaa*s Airplane
plant on Long Island; that he is living on Long Island
and that he needs a new radio code and a lot of
Upon arrival at Coloebus Circle, he also gave this
information to STIOLER and oade notes of these points on
a piece of paper which he handed to Siegler. Concerning
the radio code he explained to Siegler that aaatears ere
not permitted to broadcast in oede and that, therefore,
he would have to have a code which uses plain English or
Geraan words* He also gave Siegler on this piece of paper
his Long Island address - "144 Washington Street, He*pstead*
Long Island."
Upon neeting STIGLER, Stigler expressed considerable
satirise that he did not have a lot of sonsy* f He stated
that there was supposed to be plenty of -wney for the spy
business' and that somebody *.- have been holding
nyoneby the S^#f^^^^
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" : . . . - , , . . . , ,.- i f -
' i orer soae money but had gotten r U of i U He thn"tld V .;,:>^
STIGLER that he Had bees dealing with an important ' '
contact on Lang island, whose name be could not mentionj ,
that thia contact had not been getting his money from the
other side like he was promised, sad so recently sail
he was through., and refused to turn over a let of import*
ant material he had gathered for transmittal to the other
side including possibly a bomb sight* that he, Sebold,
felt that he should give this man some money and try te
get the material for Qermany. Siegler them said that he
should have money for such purposes and predueed two hundred
and forty dollars ($240.00) which he handed to him.
This consisted of three $50 btHs,^Had-mi^10 bills.

Stagier said that he was taking this money out of his

own pocket but that he was giving it to him in the presence
of Siegler as a witness and would be able to get the money
back upon arrival on the other side.

SEBOID will here identify a list describing this

money, which is as followst~ ,

(S. 1172 - P. 25)

(Exhibit U 2 0 - 1)

$50 Federal Reserve Mote, #8014336231

$50 " #8009996831
$50 #0008380271
$10 Mational Currency on the Mattituek
National Bank and Trust Company,
Mattituek, New York, serial number
FOOO953UU
$10 Federal Reserve Vote, #5087119341
$10 #D3UQ10Q3l
$10 JS2437693U
10 "
$10-
$10
$10 SHrer Certificate #1524177951
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i-.A {both plioaetie)j s*t-W

D sth Srioaa ^ w ^ |
in the United
iforo th war i n connection
a bom* sight; t h a t ^ H I B l a ** South Germany, from
either Censtaas or ftriwlgsaafem. stigler described this
man as a square built fellow, military type* medium height,
and stated that he had been a l l over the west coast of the
Americas. He also had worked oa board a ship as a Bourser
Offleer*
SIEGLER said that he might be transferred on the next
t r i p to the S*S AMBEIGi aad make a t r i p to Spain, where he
would probably make a aew contact. He asked Siegler i f he
desired to take along such a thing as a gas mask oa this t r i p
and Siegler said he would rather not, as he might have to
undergo oe searches ia harbors. He handed him the letter
addressed to HUGO SEBQTJ) >'

(Exhibit 1A14-1, 15 and 16)

and permitted him to read the contents before sealing the
letter. Siegler said he would mail the letter as soon as ho
arrived ia Italy. He said that oa his next trip to the United
States he would mail a note to him and they would meet at
Columbus Circle*
STIGLER indicated that ia Tie* of the information he had
received from aim relative to the lack of funds on this side
in the Air Division, he might become contact man aad pay off
man for the Air Division, as well as the Marine Division. He
said that he would report conditions to the other side, sad
would try to relieve money matters hero. He stated he could
not understand why the Air Division did not have money as the
M" Btvisioa appears to have any amount f money which it
needs. Be said that the war
year, and that whet
bere% He waa of tbe opinion that he, Sebold, would also
leave the Baited States* "-" --" --.

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asked SEJBItt I f n ha* n*r * the *aae\

Lsion nd Stlgler said thai not
'' fne ^^;^ftoa^,,M^;
He stated that the bead of the Air Division was a famous
;
fighter l a the World War* v * ? v ' \ s - '!*"' ' '" '
Kay 18, SEBQLD will testify froa his notes
1940*
(Exhibit U19 - 13)
that according to pre-arrangeBieirt he went to the apartsent of
LTLLI STEIN at 2:00 P.li.
(S. 1172 - P. 29)
She said that ah* had received nothing new from the other aide
and asked if he had received anything. He produced a letter
which be had received from EHWIK SIEOLER and had her read the
instructions contained in it. She did not make notes but
said that she understood the instruction*. She stated that
previoxts Sunday she had received s. telephone call fro
in which he told her that the Tjnited States was dettni
going to enter the war. She stated that she would
Washington as soon as she obtained soaae Koney; tha ^ _ _ ^ ^ _
was her only official contact as she had no funds with whicTT't
get around aad aeet people* with respect to contacts 1 B
Gernany, Lilly Stein stated that she had been connected with, the
ASIA or the Counter-Eepionage Sjrstes of Germany and had been v
assigned to watch people i n England and i n Belgism) that she '
had done no actual spy work there. She stated that she had
learned that the French Liner was leaving France for America
that day and that he ought to be able to ascertain what boat
was leaving. He advised her that he was tfjdng te reach
Germany on the radio and she said that when he nade connect-*
ions she would not mail any Bore messages but would give them
to him for transnittal. Se arranged to met her again the
following Saturday at 2:00 P.M.

On May 20, Sebold will testify that due to the fact that he had
1940* received $240 from FHJLH2 STIDLffi for the purpose ef fivlag i t
to ICEEEa he wrote a l e t t e r , as followst ' '"*-"&' "

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Bear Mr* *.****

May I. see you next Monday,' same time, same" place. ^
Very .imports-* mews*

Bill*

JL carbon copy of this l e t t e r was retained, and will

be identified by Sebold,

May 22, SEBOLD will t e s t i f y from hie notea

1940.
(1A3 - 18)
that h* net DUQUESNE

(S. 1217 P. 33)

near 84 Wet Broadway, Hew lork City, at about 2*30 F.M j
that Duqu8ne notioned to hia, ad he followed him to the
ferry slip a t the foot of Warren Street, where they took
a ferry to Hew Jersey.
B* will farther testify that they aade two rotmd tripe
on the ferry. Doquesne iaaediatelj asked i f there was any
newe, end he told him that he had been contacted by as
individual aboard the S.S. 1ULNHATTAK and had received a
letter of ins tractions which he produced and showed to him.
Duqueme read the instructions, and he translated those in
Qernw for him. Duquesne made no notes, stating that he
was already acquainted with these instructions. Be did
write down the new address i n Budapest} Hungary,
then asked i f the contact's name wa

_____ at
and was inrolTed i n the C*ecno- ,
Slcrak war and had been decorated by Hitler for s i s activ~ . ;
itis there. , , . . . . .;. ' ' '" r*r- - - '*<<
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DOQTJESKE iadicaW t h a t this att.uad to be his contact,
told BuqtMMtne tha,t he did not recognise thi description of
H s f ^ being anyone ke knew, and asked Ma i f fed had e w
of Slegler. ^ u e s n e did not recognise that ass*. He
then asked Daqaeene i f he knew about the <W DiTieion, and
Duquesne said that he did; that this Division operated ainly
in Boston* He then asked Duquesne why the "If11 Division
seemed to have sore money than the Air Division, and Duquesne
said that they probably have to bribe sore peeple "thsj^n
do*, ge then asked Dequesne indirectly more a bout fl^^ and

Duquesne said t h a t ^ m H ^ i a d been employed by the

SPERRT people a n d t h ^ ^ e took leave to go to Germany, and did
not return; thatflHJPphad woriced in sone industrial plant,
and had alo gonexoaeriaany aad did not return. He exhibited
some surprise that he, Sebold, did not know these
DUQUESNE said that he had recently sent seme blueprints
to the ether side about as airplane gasoline motor, and that
some time ago he had sent some plans over, showing the construct*
ion of the U. S. V*vy suicide cruisers* He then told Duquesne
that he had tried to reach him to see if he had anything to
send to the other side since he had once said that he wanted
to find a way to send a gas mask over. Duquesne said that
he did not have anything to send. He then suggested to
Duquesne that in the future he hand his materials to him to be
photographed or transmitted to the other side through his,
SEBOLD'S, contacts. H told him, Duquesne, that he had
received further instructions about the radio and had
established connection with the other side, and was then in
daily contact with them* Daquesne asked him how his business
was set up, and he told him that he was working with a friend
of his who did not want to know anything about the nature of
the messages sent or to whom sent; that as far as the friend
knows they are sent to South America; that his friend did not
want to be contacted by any person except him, Sebold, and
would not hare any dealings with anyone outside-; that the set-up
wia entirely fool-proof. Duquesne ttonght this sounded like a '''$
rery good aetwup, and wanted to W a short wave set aifl listen . ';
in on the transmissions but be suggested that such an act might
be suspicious if anyone found a short wve set in his quarters.
Daquesne then decided that it would not be such a good idea
to get such a set. " .. .---. ... -

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DUQDESNE then s t a t e d that he bad gone t o y

the previous Sunday and wwat to the president**
utter* he observed p r e s i d e n t . Be called the president
a "darned Jew". Duquesne eaid t h a t he i a s p o s i t i v e t h a t
America vas going i n t o the war. He aaid that he had learned
that the president *as heading ace type ef anti-Geraan
organization. Duqoeone then asked him i f he carried f i r e -
arms and he advised him in the negative, whereupon
Duqttesne said that he should never be found idth firearms on
hie person.
At the time they separated he suggested to DUQUESNE
that he hare everything ready that he wanted t o be sent t o
the other side a t the time the MANHATTAN next arrived i n lew
York, and that hf, Sebold, would take care of the matter far
him.

xti*7 agreed tc meet Again the following Wednesday at

2:00 P.M. a t the same place*
<
(S. 1217 P. 33)
Sftbold will further testify that in that he had beem
advised "bj Agent Ellsworth that contact had been made with
Station ACE in Germany through using the radio station aet-ap
by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and following instruct-
ions which be, Sebold, had received in Germany as well as the
instructions which he had received in the letter which was
brought 9Yer by SIEGLEE he discussed with Agent Ellsworth
the sending ef the following message which he turned over ,
to Agent Ellsworth for encoding and transmission.
(S. 1266 P. 11).
"It is dangerous to send code. I need code in plain
English or German. Received To Hundred Forty Dollars ;
from Manhattan. Meet Boeder Monday. Shall I (
give ni this money eince he' will net work longer -' ' -Ak
without money*, , , . , .,*..... . .A

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a n u l l h i l l about oneHjuwter of a mile south of Center-

port in the direction of Greenlawn. He arrived at the
station at about 8:00 P.M. and Agent Ellsworth returned
issage which he had encoded orer to Agent fl^P
10 was operating the radio transmitting set.
re were other Federal Agentspresent at the time}
that shortly thereafter Agent flHB turned over a ceded
message which he said had beenriceived from Station AORj
that with the assistance of Agent Ellsworth he tried to
decode the said message but was unable to do so.
still in contact with Station ACR,
about 8x45 **, seat the coded aessage which he, Sebold,
and Agent Ellsworth had prepared,
SSBQLD will further testify that the Federal Agent,
or Agents, operating the Federal Bureau of Investigation
radio station, above mentioned, or present at the station,
maintained a Log of the sequence of all activities,
including the sending and receiving of messages and the
intervening conversation. Agent Ellsworth handled the
eoding and decoding of moat4of the messages end else acted
as a contact between the Federal Bureau of Investigation
Radio Station and himself. Agent Ellsworth also
maintained a record of all messages sent and reoeived,
including the eoding, encoding and translations thereof,
m all eases exeept those messages dealing with the
operation of the station, all routine messages, such as
weather reports, he, Sebold, discussed the contents and
formulation of the message with Agent Ellsworth and when
possible he was present and assisted Agent Ellsworth in
eoding messages to be sent to AOR, and decoding messages
received from AOR, and accompanied M m to the radio
staUon, a ^ was only absent wnea an occasion arose wbere
m
On Mar"JU>:.
1940*
Annex, yv Tork. . thlBwal written en Sperry Qyro scope
Company, Inc # stationery, postmarked at Brooklyn, H.T. May
24, 1940, and read as follows?-.
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Bear Harry,
I ' l l meet B U I on Monday as
Carr."

(Exhibit U13-65, 66.

Serial #1237#4)

May 25, SEBOLD will testify from his notes

1940.
(1A19 - 13)
that he went to Lilly Stein*s apartment about 2:05 P.M.,
(S.1227**12)
where he met her. She was rery depressed about money
matters, and stated that she had heard nothing from the
other side. He told her that he was very busy then in
keeping in touch with the other side by radio, and that he
would be unable to Met her regularly each Saturday after-
noon as he had been doing in the pact* Be teld her that in
case she had something she wanted to transmit to the other
side, that she should communicate with him by l e t t e r to
his post office box, #574* Grand Central Annex; that in case
he desired to contact her, he would communicate with her
by mail or by telephone. He then asked her i f she had any
contacts on the west coast, as he might find i t necessary
to contact someone there. She stated that she did not know
anyone on the west coast and he asked her i f ELSE could
help out. She stated that she did not know for sure, but
that she would be glad to try and arrange aa afternoon
coffee meeting with Else for him; that he could take the
matter up with her. He then asked her how *he camaifce_ .meet
Else, and she stated, that she was *^[fa\ &&;$$&&?* - -A
authorities in Germany and she. was instructed to
something. He asked her i f this somthiBg" was moiisy which f
she had previously mentioned which was to be given
and she replied, "Maybe". However, she stated that ELSE was
very scared then since she had taken out her citisenahip
papers*

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Re then asked heir about VON WEGSHER* She s t a t s d ' t k a t

ah* bad t $a a s CAPTAIN TTEGENER through mm people
in Vienna, and that he bad her com to Hamburg where h i t
headquarters were located; that ha i s the w who started
her out i n this business* She stated that he i s HSXBRXCH
SORATJ'S superior. She also stated that he i s a prominent |
German official, and that Ton Wegener I s probably an }
assvmed name} that he was * big game hunter in South
Africa. She had no idea, whether or not he was then in
America. She described Ton Wege&er as being 40 t f 45
years eld, nit a a full blonde head of hair; that he wore
glasses and was of medium boild^Sfoestatedthat
of out> she knew
of two brothers by the maae flHHHPBV *
Vienna, who were probably beingwaTcEa^Tytae United
States Secret Service. She asked him, Sebold, to go to
them and t e l l them that they were being watched. She
could not give his any address er any ether information,
stating that she had overheard this Batter in cafe society.
She stated that i t was a well known fact that the
United States would go to war befte October. He asked her
where she had learned t h i s , and she said that she had ever-
heard a conversation in which such a statement was made*
She then asked him to radio the other aide that she was badly
in need of Money. She farther stated that in the nexfc
l e t t e r that she wrote to the other side she intended to ask
them to transfer her to the west coast as she believed
there were more opportunities there*
(S. 1227 - P . 12)
He accompanied Agen^E^worth to the radio station,
and there Special A g e n t ^ H m ^ k turned over to them
Radio Message #3, whichwasincolT, and which he stated was
received from Station AOR. This message, when decoded,
was in German, and when translated, read as follows*
**y 25, 194 ,
2110 P.M. 260 Letters Message Kumber Throe.
The money i s for Boeder. He aaoi&d finally deliver
something* Clear Text* (cede) presently impossible.
I
Friend Gat, he knows with explanation. We are
prepared tb~recere daily from 17 - 19"(5^~ 7 P.M.)
o'clock E.S.T. G.B.H. (Good Bye H.)
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May 27, SEBOID will testify from hie notes,

1940
(Exhibit 1U3-22)
that be l e t ROEDER at atwrt 8:00 P.M. near hi, Sebold,

prerleuely'reeedved from Agent Ellsworth, and ef w$ieh he

noted the serial numbers and description, and ascertained
i t to be the same money he had received from FEAHZ STIGLEft,
telling him that he obtained this money from another
Division of the German Espionage System, especially for
him. ROEDER accepted the money and gave him a receipt,
which reads as follows:
"Received $240 on account. May 27, 1940* Carr.1'
SEBOLD will identify this receipt*
(Sfcibit 2JO3-67.
Q. 56).

ROEDER indicated aom surprise that he gave him this

money, and told him that he should keep the money for
himself, however, he told him that the money was for him
and that the other side expected material in return. He
asked him 'how about the materials' which he claimed to
have stored up. Roeder said that he had destroyed them*
He, however, promised to have the materials ready for
him on the evening of Wednesday, June 5, 1940. He then
took him for a drive in his car. Roeder asked i f he had
heard about two German fellows being arrested at the
GRUMMAN airplane plant. Be told Roeder that he had not.
Nothing more was saidv aboij^his^Be
n B
thenasked Roeder
if he was acquainted i^ flHH^ 4|||^Hfe>'ho were
\i supposed to hare worked at Sparry* s . RoeSerTaJid that he
did not know them.0 However^h^stated tiiat he used to know
wno waa
a man by the name ^-flH|fl|fl||HHIV tnployed
by the AMTORG TRADINCrOTiWHnOTVThis fellow approached
questions about his work i t Spe^^*sj l ^ i t , h e h*d. dinabr ' *:'
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with him on several occasions, and also notified the

other side about aim. The other sideaivised him to
ahead and develop the contact 1 f i t l f l H H 0 however
never actually told him exactly wha^iewanted, and
nothing developed from this contact.
. t'

howerer, he said that he might possibly get a diagram

of the Lockheed Bomber vhich uouLd show the location ot
machine guaa, radio outfit, and bomb releases.
While they were driving around, Boeder produced a
.357 M*gnm revolver, stating that i f he ever killed a
man, he intended to do a real job en aim* Boeder then
asked bis about the radio, and he told Boeder that he
should forget about the radio because he now had a contact
by steamship and indicated that the radio was eut of the
picture. He did this because Boeder was well versed
in radio equipment, and he did not want him to ask too
many questions about i t or to attempt to locate the
station.
Boeder returned him to a spot in He*pstead near his
home and l e t him out. ,;
(S. 1237 P. 5)
SEBOLD will further testify that subsequently that
evening he met Agent Ellsworth, who had in his possession
Radio Message #2, which he stated had been received from
Station AOR. This message read as follows v*
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"May 27, 1940. 12:16 FM 260 letters* Message #2.

Send only two times per week. , we are prepared t*
reeeiTe and send daily. Fvimlfh day* yoa wcpeet .
to set** 'For your security also e * at other t i s .
We Are prepare* 7 * # " ' V w i O ' 1 i i ' A

iteru* '
(S. 1266 - P. 24).

SEBQLD u l l l farther testify that with Agent

1940. Ellsworth's assistance he wrote out and encoded the
following Messages to be transmitted ever the radio
station*
"Mqr 28, 1940. 1:00 PM. 100 letters. Message #2.
Gave aoney ie Boeder x x He will deliver in tea
days x x Stein says oust have money quick x x
ay own money also getting lev x x .*
Also Message #3, which read as followsj-
"May 28, 1940. 5:00 PM. 240 letters. Message #3.
Tour signal very weak. Can you improve it* I
will send Tuesdays and Thursdays one and five FM
EST. Will listen daily except Saturday night and
Sunday. Saturday 12 noon OK. Will furnish new
frequency etc. later."

That thes were encoded and turned over to

Special Agen for transmission to Station
ACE*
(S. 1266 - P. 27 and 28).

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May 29* SEBOLD will testify froa bis notes

1940. .-.', <

that at about 2i00 P.M. after meeting TJTjqrjESHE a t 84

Test Broadway, ho procgfdfd t tba Hew j&rmkj. frrjr '
slip a t the foot of Chambers Street, and Duqtieene
followed behind bin.
They set again on the ferry and took one round
trip across the river* Dtiquesne handed him two aagasines,
one entitled "AYIATIOU", for April, 1940, and the ether,
"C1MTJIAH AVIATION" f o r May, 1940. Be asked him t e
photograph the pages which he had arked, stating that he
wanted to sead the photographs to Germany en the S.S.
MAJIHATTAH on her next t r i p * He advised Daqoesae that he
was then very busy operating the radio and that he would
not t* able to meet hia regularly en Wednesday after*.
neons as he had been doing in the past; that he,
Duqaesne, should cossnaieate with hia by s a i l i f he
desired an appointment and if he desired to send any inform-
ation, to Germany} that he would meet hia, Duquesne, in
the future, in urgent cases* This seemed to pfease
Duquesne. He then ga*e to him, debold, his new address
as "SECURITIES SERVICE, Wall Towers, 70 Pine Street,
York City,"

Duqttesne then asked hia to send the following

messages to Germany by radio. He wrote these messages
out as they were dictated*
(S. 1263 - P 26)
" Bolls Royce have engine designed to go
in the wings flat like meat in a sandwich*
Incoming have one also. I sent blue-
prints by China.
Allies ordered additional 10,000
guns, motorcycles, side
. igence getting news th
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"Message ^ ^ ^_ __
Duqn reports SS Cnawplsin leases here today
mnitien cargo. Is passenger lifter arsied anU-u
a i r . Will pick up conroy Berwida bomd Cherborg.
May carry French Purchase Cos*. Greetings. "
(S. 1266 - P. 35).

Message HDaber Five read as follows:

"May 31 1*00 220 letters Meg. #5
Duqn says Rolls Royce have engine to f i t f l a t in
wings* LycoBcLng also. Sent blus prints ria China.
Allies ordered ten thousand Bach-ggnsotrcycles
side cars. USA gets new t h r u f l H H H B V i n
Vatican. C&th. Priest works ror lnroraaTTon* "
(S. 1266 - F * 37).
Special AgentflflHpburned ever Message #6, which he stated
was received fro* Station AfJU This message, wten decoded, was
in Geroan, and when translated, read as followsM
"Need urgently froK a l l friends nonthly production
ef airplanes factories* Export to a l l countries
especially to England sad France. Kusber, type, date
of delivery. By steamer or air* Annatore and ar-
Paynent cash and carry or credit, e t c . Stop*
$200 for you. Mot king for Stein* Greetings."
(S. 1266 - P. 36)*
June 1, SEBOLD will testify from his notes
1940. (Erhihit
that he went to HStl&H LANQ'S residence in (aendale, Leaf IsLand
about 9:00 A*M* and was told by Lang's wife that fep wpul4 not be
back for two or thrie notu-s He lf*i a^iflWttSl* 'B>^'
12:00 Mocn. I ^ g a U U apr^ed t . bi
handed Lang a piece of paper on which he had
own handwriting, a copy of the nessage received from (fenuny
which r e a d t ' .. " _ -

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he may rosaia. If act, ae

at BawJ1'**^*** BTpo'n'at*. * i
for kill hare is securely established." -

IASQ road this and banded it back. Laag then asked

aim to m a c somebody from the other side. He gave him the name of
__ Lch Laag did not know. He then gare him the name of HSffill
7. Laag stated that ho remembered hearing that name in too
Gorman Consulate in lew fork, fie then asked Lang for a description
of Ranttau and Laag described him la such a way that he, Sebold,
believed that it was Or* Rnken in Hamburg who was the man that gave
him, Sebold, Lang's address and $he message, aid requested that he
contact Lang upon arrival in the United states. Re told Lang that
he believed that Rants** was the man that he knew as Rnkoa out Lang
did not recognise that name* Lang asked him to secure oae aero
name out of Berlin as he was not sure that he cane from Germany. He
could not giro him this name, and Lang asked him to write to the other
side and secure such a name as well as other proof that he represented
the right people. Lang U s stated that he would like to return to
Germany and requested that he, Sobold, radio, the ether side aad ask
them which route he should take* He stated, however, that his wife
could not stand a hard trip by way of Japan and Russia* fie suggested
to Lang that he might be able to get through by way of Mexico. Lang
thought that was a good idea. He left Lang, telling him that ho would
return with further information as soon as it arrived from Germany.

(S* U 0 1 - P. 4)
SEBOLD will further testify that ho received,
addressed to himself as HARRI SAWYER, P.O. Box 574, Grand Central
Annex, New lork, a letter postmarked in Hew fork, H.I., May 29, 1940.
This letter was in German, and when translated read as follows:*

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-??' May 2 9 ,
Bear Barry,
If it is at all possible tor you I would
be very happy if you could keep our
usual rendezvous. I would like te apeak
nith you about something. I am now
absolutely terribly unhappy. If I don*t
hear anything froa you, until we meet
again,

Heartily,

(S. 1283 * P 6)
(Exhibit 1A19-55 end 56.)
(Q* $9 and 60.)

He will testify from his notes

that upon receiving the l e t t e r he immediately telephoned to her,

and then proceeded to her residence which be entered at about 2r30
P.M. She told him that she had met a man who i s the son ef the Bx>*
President of Panama, and that this man told her that Americj
n o ^ e t war* She also said that she knows the mother '
HHB^the movie actress, and that she has some connections with some
pTencn people in Detroit from whom she might get somethiag.
She talked again about her money troubles and said
that her agreement with the,other side was that she was ^ f rece4re ,. .
$150 per month; that she received $200 %m.^pum^'9^:^Q^^^ttk
of March and that she was promised i a the last letter that (grainy -
ha& received a message frost the other side, stating that^she had '
already received more money than agreed and would be paid i n three
weeks. She asked him te radio the other side; that she absolutely -
had to have money, and that they should make an exception by sending
her $200 as she was destitute. "- -

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He will testify further that be had previously

copied off on a piece of paper the aessage which
had been received froa Germany o lay 31, 1940
and which read as fellows**
Veed urgently from all friends aonthly
production of airplffJae factories* Export t
all countries especially England and France.
Number, type, date of delivery. Bjr steaaer
or air* Araature and araaaent. Payaent
cash and carry or credit, etc. Stop."
That he handed her this aessage, and she said that
she Bight be able to get such information, and that
she would notify bin.

June 2, Sebold will testify that he Bailed to FREDERICK

194C DUQTTESNE the following copy of the Aessage which was
received on May 51, 19401-
June 2, 1940*
I received the following,
Need urgently from all friends aoatly produetioa
of airplanes factories, exportto all countries
especially to England and France. Huaber,
type, date of delivery, fay steaaer or air.
Araature and araaaent. psyaent cash and
carry, credit, ete* *
Harry.
(Exhibit 1A3 - 224)*
June 3* Sebold will testify that with the assistance of Special
1940s Agent Ellsworth, he wrote oat and encoded the folJU
aessage which was turned ever to Special Agent P " "
at the radio station tor tranaaission to

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Morrow' 6 m lai* for e between 14490 and 14500 F& "f^ -

If ao contact in 15 idnutB look in parewnt frqt*n7. ,.i-
Will ue nly lettwg SHE." * "

(S. 1266 - P. 39).

That subsequently A g e n ^ H m F t o m e d ever a Bessag* ia
code which he stated u received froa Station AOB and
which, -when decoded by hiaself and Agent Ellsworth, read
as follows1
"June 3 Tine 18t00 100 letters Message Ho7.
Thanks for reports. Observe Koraandie. Step, Use
for calling only last three letters not two for your
safety."
(s. 1266 - P, 40)
i
i "

4, That he reeeived at his Beatpstead, Leag Island, address

1940. an envelope postmarked Hew York, Juno 3, I94O, which corxtaiiw
ed a slip of paper on which was typed the word"Send*
and a news clipping f lashingtoa, May 15, UP*, date line
capUoB*d, "U.S. has 303 war ships, 2,665 planes and aa
army of 227*000."
(S. 1466 - P. 19)
(Exhibits U3-229, 231, 233,
235 to 238).
(Q 64, 65 and 66.)
He will also testify that on the tame date, with the
assistance of Special Agent Ellsworth, he wrote out and
encoded the following messages for transmission to Static*
AOEJ , ' ,

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Jane i 6 P.M. 180 letters" Message Ho- 7 ;:.':-

I have no connections airplane industry yet* '/!>
Have no steady jeb Lang still doubts*
Wants another name from Berlin. Mere direct-
ions how te return Germany and More proof be
is dealing with right people*

Message No. 8.
Gave friends mag plans production etc. Duqn aske
did you get U S aray gas mask and mustard gannister
be sent on Conte Savoia and Rex. Stein says getting
new contacts but oast have aoney at oaee as she
is destitute. Greetings".

(S 1401 ~ P 5)
(5 1266 - P. 42)*
,<
June 5, Sebold will testify that he received through
1940. the nail a l e t t e r at his Hmpstead address postmarked
New York, June 4, 1940, 'Which bore return address,
which he accidentally tore away, the regaining part <
which i s t
n
& Dalton adway and Iork n
This envelope contained a note on which was
hand-printed the wordst
Quick. Three prints"
and a U.S Patent Number 2185633, entitled, "Sighting
apparatus for use oa aircraft". ;
.,;.' . , . . , . . v S f . decide* t h i s l e t t e r ai*4 t h e one ? e0e4t*'-'^ :" *H
v
. ^ ' en June 4th were fro Duquesne, which he subsequently ' ^ ,.. ' f
..- .;.. :. -;., confirmed when talking _t Duquesne. ?$&?' s-r ' " j / ': i:K '4

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Be T i l l farther

*n
that EVERETT BOEDHl set kin on ^ i t M r nearlds
residence in Hepstead, LI. L U WaSbingtoa Street,
at about 800 P.H.J that be haade* Boeder a copy of
the message which he had received in the letter brought
from Karope by Siegler, whieh letter contained
a typewritten list of twelve items* typed on onion
akin paper. This list ia as follows**
1 Development as to the exact determination of
horiton for astronoslcal observation, blind
flying, bobing and automatic pilot*
2. Betaile regarding enteaoitlc pilot*
3. Remote-controls in bombing.
V Balancing ef gyros i n aanafacturing.
5 Hoir nany of the different types are being aanuw
factured aonthly and which i s the ont|$r
capacity,
6* Boab-sight* ,<
7* Details abt. latest predictor.
6. Listening devices.
9. Search-lights.
10. Altitude cabins.
11. Details abt* range-finders as concerns coabina**
tiosa with ultra violet or ultra red rays or
ultra short waves*
12. Details abt. latest radio (wt) and direction
finding instruments.

He also told Boeder that the other side desired

information concerning monthly production of airplane
factories, exports to a l l countries, especially
England and France, number, type, and date of delivery
of said airplanes and whether by stesaer or air*
whether payment i n oa*a end carry 4? e*fttt .and, so
fU * ' /^

(Exhibit U13-69 and 82).

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BOEDER alo turned over the following letter, (Exhibit lal>69),

set o ^ abort* .

Taking #. the questions asked in your letter transmitted

to me by Sawyer, to wnsrieal erderj
1 The methed of operation described ia known here, end has been
tested with some success on large ebjecttree* At a predeteniiied
altitude the flight it made along a beaax* k oroaa been ia intercept-
ed at a certain point in flight and the Usile dropped *t that
tiae. The ezperiaents here ha-ro been Bade vith standard types of
airport equipaeofc, using the fan aarkers to operate signal circuits.
Because of inherent broadness of any beam and the large area covered
by the lebes of the fan marker signals any great accuracy is net
possible. Standard types of light indicators operated by the fan
markers have been used, ulth releases tripped by the signal* The
beam receivers were ordinary direction finders as made by Lear,
Sperry, Airplane and Marine and others. It was found that false
signals could be transmitted that would completely upset the entire
mission. It * is not known if the concern mentioned is perfecting
the system or is contemplating selling it s* described.
2m The concern mentioned is not known here by anyone contacted
to date.
3* Have been unable as yet to learn anything of the Professor
mentioned* The college is unknown.
5 The photo-electric cell application which you mention has been
the subject of some discussion in the "popular* type of so-called
scientific publications here. I have, however, been unable to find
anyone who knew anything about any actual experimental use of such
a device.
4 No other information concerning A. A. guns is available at pres-
sent except that the 37101 gun is an exact copy of that used by the
French, in A.A., Anti-Tank and aircraft cannon. Other types are not
new so far as I have been able to find out*
' 6 Copy silted f w will be sent* , ;, ,;... j f' ' V ''-..-
7- Expect some substantial data oa new tspes very shortly*

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,8- Have feelers out for -kbit data, but ba** nothing definite as ,
*' fife* 7 tMi i out of iy line and net readily a r g u a b l e . . ; '\, -i\ /
XV-'^' '' - ''.' " -''":.'*. -< ' . ' f e v i i " " " ' , ' --*'-
9-10 Mthing known. "-" -
11- Tli type of tank entioned has been wed with varying success.
The Lockheed Hudson has none. Martin and Qraaatan have tanks Moh
are ade by spraying the inside with successive layers of latex and
rubber gu* in solvent^ frost thirty to fifty layers me* so applied,
and a final inside coating ef a harder synthetic resin i s sprayed
on as protection* When these alternate layers are punctured, the
softer latex coating swells in successive layers thru action of the
fuel, sealing the puncture with slight l o s s . The seal i s not perfect,
and the tanks arust be replaced as soon as possible
12- ^nothing known.

These were obtained, but were not sent. See Sawyer's report.
New copies will be obtained.
14- See above.
New Material:
Sawyer *s report will t e l l you why nothing other than the above ia
available at this moment. There are a number of sheets of data that
were destroyed which can, and will be, replaced, but i t only a week
since operations were restated *nd this will take a l i t t l e tine* There
i s additional new data which can be obtained if conBunicatd on channels
and funds are again available.

Beet wishes
C1RR

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June 6, Tjpoa h i s return he reallae4'that he bad l e f t ,

1940* >;';-'' ' thf copy of'tife^aesisift^iirl^^^-^^.^^^-?' *'
read with his. Therefore, w the foilowlng
day, June 6th, he wrote the following letter to Boeder*
June 6, 1940.
Dear Mr. Boeder,
I left a l e t t e r with you last night. You
know one with the instructions. Please
return same by mall because I need i t somewhere
else.

lours,
Bill."
(Exhibit 1A13 - 71)
S, U34 - P. 10)

Farther, on the same day he received a telegram

from Duquesne, "which read as follows:- ,
" New York, N. Y.
W. Sebold
144 Washington Street
Hempstead H Co K.Y.
Letter examined address Room 805 Champlain
This morning four others also Elezabeth taking
provisions

: J i m -,

fie also received on the sane day a l e t t e r

from LILLY STEIN, which read as follows t*-.

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Bear Harry, <; , ,; '-':'

I an moTXj that I still hare received n
coMBunication. please S.O.S. eur friends
urgently for help. My uncle died Monday.
Please coae as usual.
Heartily,
L.

This letter was written in Gensan, and it was addressed

to Harry Sawyer, P.O. Box 574, Grand Central Annex, Hew York City*
(Exhibit 1 U 9 - 51 and 52
Q. 62 and 63*
S. 1417 ~ P. 4 )
He will further testify that with the assistance of
Special Agent Ellsworth he prepared Message #9 for transmission to Station
AOR.
"Jane 6 6 P.M. 320 letters Message Ho. 9*
Toe dangerous to send from here outside amateur
band toacrrow I return to your frequency* I
will change frequency trmtj few days between
14300 and 14400 KG* Your frequency OK. You
send first. I will answer with 7 and three call
letters* You send tine 5 er 6 PM for next day.
I will OC but won*t repeat time. Due personal
natters I can't be on air Saturdays or Sundays*"

(S. 1446 * p # 6 ) ^

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Jose 7, SEBtJUD *U1 farther testify *!$' MrjSS&akati.

1940* with Agent Ellsworth the following uessage, which
was then in code, fear transaiasicn to Station AORs ' ".4

"jane 7 6 PM 100 letters Message #10.

%: .
l
Jim reports Chaaplain sailed today* Also
four other ships. SS. Elisabeth taking
provisions. Greetings. Hugo H.

\
with Message #9, was turned over to Special

Oa the saae ereniBg Message #8 was turaed orer

try Special Agec^HsVwho received i t fro Station AOR*
With the assistance of Special Agent EUs^ortt, who
\_ decoded this nessage, which was in Qrman and when
translated read as follows s-
June 7 13:30 o'clock l*>0 letters Msg. Ne.8
Lang1 s answer follows next week. Both Bairn**
(Duquesne) deliveries have not a r r i v e d . ^ ^ ^ ^ 8
money i s on the way. Tour password f o ^ H H v
He lived in Genoa in the Hotel Helvetia. Goodbye
old boy*"
(S. 1U6 P . A)
Jtme 8, SEBQID will testify froa his notes
1940.
(rhibit Ul9-a3)
that he went t o Lilly Stein's apartment at about 2 P.M.;
that she iamediately produced a letter addressed to her
which was postmarked a t Detroit, Michigan, June 7th.
This l e t t e r concerns technical infomation pa the aviation
' . industry, particularly with reXewBce to m*Bel obors,
ai^ Is signed HEIJiRICH by lypewriter* She Stated thfct -
she was very surprised to. reoeive such s, l e t t e r j t&at ' -
she had no idea who sent i t or what she should do with i t .

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hi.Tbl.e4 on M. peri*nce. idth Dies.l t o r i / U t* T T *

atioru She txiraef the latter orr to hi, which wa contained in
envelope, a d i r a ^ e t a fellsivst -.,' /V.,-"', .4

Mis.
Lilly Stein
127 l a s t 54th Street
K-Iork. City*

The l e t t e r m i as follows s-

June 5th. 40.

Development of Biesel engine*.
Diesel engines for Aircraft are not very far
advanced. Outstanding pioneers are the S.A* GuLbersen, Dallas,
Texas, who are plaai&g te build a 7 cylinder radial aircooled
Engine and the Lawrence Engineering Co. linden Hew Jersey who are
working on the sane principle* leither of the 2 firms are as yet
on a manufacturing scale, bat rather in the experimental stages*
practically all Aircraft manufacturers, are relying en the radial
aireeoled engines, both, single row from 5 to 7 cylinders and double
row from 7 to 9, rl%* U to 18 cylinders, prat end Whitney Air-
craft, Division of United Aircraft Corp* last Hartford, Conn*,
supply their aotors to the following makere of Aeroplanes} "Grummans,
Lockheeds, Bellaneaa, Waco, Howard, Stinson, Beechcraft, Spartan and
Berkley Grow*
The exception in the Engine building Industry is made
by General Motors, who make in their big plant in Indianapolis the
new 24 Cylinder liquid cooled 1200 HP* engine. It is made of 2 banks
of twineix motors mounted on one aluminum erankcase in shape*
It develops 1200 Hf and weighs less than 1 lb. per HP. The engine
is no doubt the sensation of the industry. It is used in the
Airacobra made by the Jell Aircraft Corporation which carries the

of
also called the

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"Vaporlock. " ''. . . v'" *""*.- '" ~-\

?aporl*ek eUffieulties have been overcome by M S B S
of a hydraulic fuelsystem. The idea la, no longer to depend
on a motor driven pump Lth its possible deficiencies* .... K. ;.>.
There are several aakes a the market,featit seats the Peso
Hydraulic fuel jgte& is the best. It is ade by the Paap
Eogineeriaig Senrice Corporation ef Cleveland, 0* Wviaion at
Borg Warner Corporation, 1291o, Taft Are. It contalas a
hydraulic pup to create the required pressure, a storage tank
that provides a constant available source of hydraulic fluid
(1 liter) and prevents the adaissioa of airbubbles into the
hydraulic lines; a hydraulic Motor located near the fueltanks
that transforms hydraulic energy into mechanical motion to
operate a fu&lpump, this pump coupled to this motor, embodies
an adjustable pr*a*vre reliefvalve to control fuelflow according
to desired discharge pressure and finally a selector valve,
providing flow from, one of several inlet lines to a common
discharge line*

Propellers r
Propellers for the big ship are practically all 3
blade Alumima-Alloy type. These propellers are forged to very
close limits so as to require very little finishing. They are
practically all of the fast feathering type; pitch control in
either electrical or by oilpressure. Propellers for small
aircraft are made of wood, aluminum alloy and also ef steel, they
are almost exclusively of 2 bladetype. Training planes for
Army pilots are also ef 2 blade propeller type* Largest makmrs,
equipped to manufacture high grade propellers in large quantities
are the Hamilton Standard Propeller Plant in East Hartford
Conn* aid Curtiss Electric Propellers made by Curtiss Propeller
Clifton. I.J.
JHHHWHHHHHHHHHBHBttBHHHHHHHHMHHHf

second sheet Auxiliary motors.

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"Auxiliary "tors are preferred and in use on the bigger

sbipi # ; ~zWfc%*m-a^ifirM'types.. One ! i s > single.'
^ l gollne engine, 2 eye]

they are being used ea Hary and Anay planes. The other motor
i s a 2 Cylinder Boxer w>tor also delivering 4 HP. at 4OOO
rpa, aircooled and gasoline driven. This actor i s Bade
by the Bendix Products Div. of the Bendix Aviation Corporation
South Bend, Indiana. Sofar I have not been able to detenrlne
nhich type auxiliary not or i s used in vhich particular type
ship.
According to the best information I have been able to obtain
sofar the Binaaos are coupled direct to the Airengine and the
auxiliary isotors are mainly used to furnish power for
booster coils, radio equipment and to operate landing gear
and t a i l wheel and flaps, also forsingle reltage DC
generators and dinaaotors. Bendix auxiliary actor used on
Boeing 3p7 Stratoliner.

Landing gear, flaps and t a i l wheel retracting apparatus i s

electrically controlled on some types, the Majority uses
however pneumatic force.

Heinrieh.
(S. Ul%*.6, 7,
and 8.)

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STEIN said that ate knew no one ia Betroit anjlejffi|ot \y<s i,{
how it was sent to her. She said that i m p - \J "\
..was cosing from Washington, B*d. to ..'-'"-''" - ,.?,i,
her the following Monday* that he was not going back to ''-':*
Germany but was going to South America.
She said that she had a distant relative who was taking
a trip to California} that she would like to go along with
him, and requested that he, SEBOLD, communicate by radio
with Germany and ask permission for her to make the trip to
ascertain if she could do anything in the way of their work
on the west coast for a couple of months.
Re told her that he had received a message that her
money was on the way. She requested that he meet her every
Saturday afternoon at 2:00 P.M., at least for a while.

(Exhibits U 8 - 2 and 4 ) .
(Q 85 and S6*
f'-

jane 10, He will further testify that he received a letter,

1940* addressed to himself as HARRY SAPTER* Box 574, Grand Ce&tral
Annex, postmarked He* lork, June 8, 1940, at 8:30 P,M.
Following is the letters-
n
De*r Harry,
Here is the sheet you asked for. Instead of
making it Thursday I will see you Friday, June
14. I have to attend a business affair on
Thursday*
Carr."
(Exhibits U l > 8 0 and 81*
Q 67 and 68^
6. L434 - P. 10.) ~4

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Jan 11, SSBOID will testify from bis aotes ... , 0

' 1 9 4 0 , ' " ' " '-'"!- ' ::.' y - ' ' "fc - '< :-\ -'<
(Bxhitdt U 19 -13)
that lie recalled that at that last seating he had with LILLY
STEIN, she stated that her telephone was to be "cut off"
unless she paid the bill.
In discussing this matter with Agent Ellsworth they
decided that it would be better to lend her some money in
order that she Might pay her telephone bill rather than to
hare it disconnected. Accordingly at 10:05 A.M. he
telephoned her at her apartment and suggested to her that
it would be a bad thing for her telephone to be cut off
as he mould then be delayed in making contacts with her.
He asked her how much her bill was and she told his $35.98.
He arranged to meet her at 3:00 P.M. and to pay the bill ofr
her.
Accordingly $35.00 of the money which he had received
in Go^sany *&s given to hi* by Agent Ellsworth and he went to
her apartaent, 127 West 54th Street,: at the appointed tine
at which time she handed him her telephone bill, ana asked him
to mall her a receipt. She asked htn if he had gotten any
money and he told her that he had not as yet but the MANHATTAN
was in and there might be "tore money on it. She asked
his if any s M r ease fer her to immediately telephone her.
He then went to the Telephone Office, 293 Madison
Avenue, meeting Agent Ellsworth enroute where he paid the said
telephone bill.
(S. 1417 - P. U )
He w i l l also t e s t i f y that at 1:00 P.M. he received
a telegram from EHHIN SJJSGLER, P . 0 . Box $65, Church Street
Annex, which read as follewss

30 A27OCC 5 1 5 TK Hew York, HI 937A Jm 11 1940

m miimx K v'' V.-y ' '' ' *-

MEET TOTJ TOSTJGHT FIVE O*CTjlXaC

-102 k
U14 - 25)

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.-,,..., ... Accordingly, after paying XILLI STEIK'S kLU,

he vent to Coltnsbus Circle, in He* York City, where ha s e t E&HV
SIBGLSE at about 4:50 P.M.
He will testify from his notes
(1A15 - 3)
that upon meeting SIEGLER, Siegler handed him three microphotogrjphs in
a piece of note book paper*
(Exhibit UU-20, 22 and 27)*
Cms of the Bicrophotographs bore the i n i t i a l
"L*, another, "S" and the third, *B* Since these letters were very
faint, he marked in heavier l e t t e r s on the back of these. On the one
marked "L" he marked nLS"j on the onef marked "S" he Barked "H" and on the
one Barked "0" he marked a larger **D
SIEGLER stated that he was told that these Bicrophoto-
graphs were for hia, Sebold, Tor the Jewish girl and for BUM* He will
further testify that he handed Siegler the Bicrophotographs which he and
Agent Ellsworth made of the magazine articles contained in the magazines,
"AVIATION" and "CANADIAN AVIATION" as well as of the photographs of
the boab sight patent, a l l of which iteas were handed to him by Duquesne
for photographing*
He asked Siegler to mail these Bieropaotofrraphs upon
arrival of the MANHATTAN in Lisbon, Portugal* Siegler stated that he
expected the boat to leave on^^sfoHgwing Saturday for Portugal. He
gave Siegler the address of flUHaWCoimbra, which was as follows:**

Albuquerque
Coimbra, Portugal"*
He asked SIEGLER if he had received any money to be delivered on this side*
He stated that when he arrived in Genoa he received a cablegram te meet
sose individual at the Goloabua Monunent in Gew* He went to this pnna*
aent and was approached by a van whose nae be never learned* He described
this ntt aa about 50 - 55 years of age, tall and slender, long face,
slightly crooked nose, did not wear glasses* Sebold will testify that the
description of this man sooewhat fits that of the MS. MEIER whom he met at
ision in Hamburg and who was the nan who paid the money to
id the others who lived there**

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He ***** SXS3TJR **<y he did sot octet t h i s man at

a. hotel* Sieglar stated' that a l l of the hotels i n Qenoa were f i l l 4 to over-
flwlMg; that tills man said to t e l l hl, SEBOID, that a l l of h i t letter*
had been received; that, however, the coded letters coal* not beVread u n t i l
the radio got into operation aai the code was elarlfiatj that the raddlo >>
signals were very clear over therej that i t was impossible to fttttdsK Mil
with a plain English or German language code; that he, Sebold, should not be
afraid to send in code, and should not he so afraid of being detected as the
Americans would never "catch up* to him* that the nan alsosaid to t e l l him
that money *aa cooing over for his through a man riaaedfHBrhoJw^a
South African passport, and who was born In South A f r i e a } l & r a j H | f a 8 on his
way to Canada} that the nan further told him, Siegler, t h a t ^ m E o u l d
probably get on board the MANHATTAN; that i f he did, he had instructions to
go to the kitchen, locate him, SIEGLER, and give him the password, Klopstock
Strasse, however, Siegler stated that no one approached him and gave him
such password*
Sieglftr claimed to have asked the man why he could not
bring over money forSEBOLD, and the man said that the arrangement had already
been made ikrcugl^mpko take care of the matter* This man handed him,
Siegler, the three sdcrophotographs above referred t o , and told him to t e l l
him, Sebold, to give his photographs a l i t t l e more time, that is* to expos*
them a l i t t l e longer. >'
He asked Siegler what kind of a trip he bad and whether he
had been watched. Siegler said that the t r i p was uneventful, and that he
was not watched by anyone and that apparently there wer^sosuspicions attach-
ed to him at a l l . He suggested to Siegler that perhapqHH^ras coming on
some other boat than the Manhattan out of Genoa, and. located the names of some
boats in the newspaper which he was carrying. Among them was the SXCAKHXON*
Siegler stated that the Chief Steward on that particular boat* by the name of
DOLD was connected with the German Espionage Marine Division and that
ATJFZUG (STIGLER) knew him. Be asked Siegler i f Aufsug brought over any money
on that t r i p . Siegler claimed not to know whether he had anything or not.
He did say that Aufsugfs wife met him at Qenoa on that trip*
He questioned Siegler about his connections in the
United States, Siegler said that he had no relatives here, and that he i s not
married.

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. t. - , . !-,- - ,. . .u ... . ,.. , .-si A- ; v - * ^

' /: Th*7 arrange* to meet again oa Friday, J B B * S | 4 * -/? -*
at 5x00 Pat* at Columbus Circle. The microphotographs turned rer
by SU0LER read as follows:- v-5 -

" 1. New USA 9 oa AA-Gan

Sand photos and get as aanj technical details as

possible about exact calibre, length of barrel in calibres, initial
velocity, horizontal and vertical range, elevation diopter, amber
of rounds per minute, feed mechanism, Boosting and maneuvering,
weight in fire position and traveling position, weight of cartridge
and projectile, kind of ignition used*
2* Get as many details as possible about;
Delivery of planes, motors, accessories, AA and
aircraft instruments as well as AA ammunition
to the western powers*
a* What has hitherto been delivered? State types*
Present deliveries* State types*
e. Which orders have been given and will be given?
When does delivery begin and when does it
endt
d. In which European or African ports are the
deliveries landed?
e. Which parts of planes are American made and
which European made (lei, instruments, wireless,
etc.)? Where are they mounted, in USi or im
Europe or Africa?
f Any delays in delivery or shipment*
g* Since when do Curtiss deliver the P40 P42 aad
P46 fighters which were lately ordered by the
western powers to replace P36 fighter hitherto
ordered by France?
h. Confirmation wanted of order and/or delivery :,
of Boeing B-17 (4-aotor bomber) by/to France.
3 Give details about present aetttal production ami r -:j
highest capacity, number of workers with number of
shifts and floor space of following works* '
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Bell Aircraft Corp. Buffalo, H.Y.J

Bellanca Aircraft Corp., Ife* Castle,
Boeing Aircraft Co., Seattle, W a & . j ^*
Brewster Aeronautic Corp., Long island,'
Hewurk, N.J.
Beech Aircraft Co., Wichita, Kans.j
Consolidated Aircraft Corp., San Diego,
Curtiss Airplane and Motor Co., Buffalo, M.I. j
Curtiss Wright Airplane Co*, Robertson, Me.}
Douglas Aircraft Co., Santa Monica, Calif.
(ELaschl. El Seguodo, Inglewood f d)
Fairchild Aircraft Corp., Hagerstowa, Md.)
GruwMua Airiraft Engineering Corp., Beth Page,
L.I. N.I.
Lockheed Aircraft Corp., Bur bank, Calif.
Glenn Martin Co., Baltimore, Md*)
North American Aviation, inc., Inglewood, Calif.
Republic Aircraft Corp. (Seversky), Faradngdale, N.I,;
Hyan Aeronautic Corp., San Biego, Calif.
Stearman Aircraft Corp., Wicait&, Ks&*
Stinson, Wayne, Mich. ti.
Vought Sikorsky, Bridgeport, Conn.
Vultee, Downey, Calif.,
Waco Aircraft Co., Troy, Ohio.
New works under constructions
Mortbrup, Hawthorne, Calif.*
Aviation Manufacturing Corp., (Stinson), Nashville,
Tenn.
And the following aircraft notor works t
Allison Engineering Co> Indianapolis, Ind*
Pratt and Whitney, East Hartford, Conn,
fright Aeronautical Corp., Paterson, N.J.
and of the work at '*-,, , -
Nv*l Aircraft Factory, Philadelphia, Pa*

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When Baking statements about capacity, it is always

necessary to. Bentlon whether such capacity can be

*. Can be reached ','" . " ;'* !;.'..,:'->i*-."-. *

A* with the presently existing waster of works, or
B. With the presently existing floor space and
machinery when further workers are taken on*
C With the presently existing floor space, when
new machinery is installed and further workers
taken on, or
TJ After completion of the new works uaier con**
etruction and the respective installations
of machinery and the taking en of further
workers
E. After deduction of a % of the highest
possible number of workers and floor space
for the production of civil airplanes
6. Always state type and motor (f.l. Pouglas B23 or
2-eiotor~bember)* State P.S (pferdestaerke, mean**
ing horse power) of motor.
G. State all available details about expansion of Air**
craft and Motor Works, existing or planned, when in**
stallation of machinery is completed and when pro-
duction can be started*
If delays or insufficiencies somewhere, give minute
details, fi., Insufficient number of (may be muster
or roster) skilled workers, machinery, etc.
accessories* instruments, etc*
E* Are there any signs that the aircraft industry will
switch over to building under license, thus re*.
stricting their production to some types only, and
giving large erders to sub-con tractors.
F. a* Deliveries and capacity of AA instruments
industry* State name of works number of -
workers and shifts, floor space and types
of productioau
b. 9oes the US-Army and Air Force supply the
Western powers also its AA.-I
and AA'^fiWBonitiom. - '-'._
%

(S. U 0 1 , P293O

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JOB* 1 2 , He will testify fro Ids' aett'

19-40.

that he received the fHewing

(Exhibit 1A3 - 226)
(S 1466 - P. 20)

NAF14 2 3 HT EXTRA MBPHORK ST. 1 1

1 9 4
TOLLIAi! SEBOLD, CARE flHlf JON 1 2 AM 4 1 5
441 o r 1 4 4 WASHrNOTOH ST HEMPSTEAD N CO NT

1DULD LUCE TO MEET TOU SAME FEREI AT 3 OCLOCiT

IMPtmTANT MAKE IT I F POSSIBLE BE CAREFUL AHD
mm HURT IOTJESELT *
JTJOtX
3

That he also r e c e i v e d ^ a d d r e s s e d to kiaself

as Mr. W. Sebold, care ^ B H p 441 or 144
Street, Hempstead, LI, which letter was postmarked
Tork, June 11, 1940, 7:00 AM la the envelope was the
following typewritten message en a paper toweli
(S. 1466 - P. 20)
"Some inquiring person opened
your letter* We naet put a
atop to that.
Always Address room 605
lea can call ne. Ask if you
can do some printing. Harry
is OK* Say nothing about
anything else, le will M e t
at three on the boat. If I
do Dot get there it will be
because ' -' " .*
I an there at 5*15 -
Jiau ." . .
.(Exhibit 242 and 243*)
(Q 74 and 75)

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He will further testify that he want to the entrance

of the Erie Railroad "ferry* at the foot of Chambers Street, abotit 3:00
P.M. where he shortly "^hereafter met Buqueene. They entered the ferry
together, and rote ore? on the 'raw to Mew Jersey, and returned*
Suquesne, f i r s t of a l l , asked whether he had any news. He told him that
the S.S. MABEIXTAH wa* in but that there wasno money en i t ; that the
money was supposed to cone by a nan namedHHHout of South Africa.
BUQUESNE then stated that he used to know a man by that
name in Madagascar.
He then handed Buquesne the mierophotograph which be
received for hi from SIEGLER
(Exhibit U3-245)
and also gave him the copies of the bomb sight patent and returned the
original patent papers and the magazines, AVIATICK and CANADIAN AVIATION
which Buquesne had given or sent to him to be photographed* He told
Duquesne that he only made one photograph of the magaeine articles, and
handed those photographs to his friend on the MANHATTAN* together with
one copy of the patent, instructing him to nail the same apon arrival of
the boat in Portugal t | H H p i t Coimbra. *tjuquesne thought that that
was all r i g h t . Buquesnesaioxnat he would mail his two copies of the
bomb sight patent to the other side. Duquesne also stated that the
letter which he, SEBGLD, had written to his, setting out the radio message
which requested detailed information concerning monthly production of
airplane factories and exports, particularly to England and France, had
been opened before he received i t . He also produced several envelopes
of his personal nail, addressed to his office, which he exhibited and
which clearly indicated that they had been steamed open and crudely
sealed again. Buquesne said that apparently all of his aa.il was being
censored. He also stated that he recently got in a oar to take a ride,
to Hempstead to see him, Sebold, but that a taxi immediately started
following him and followsd him for several miles, which caused him to
turn around and return to New York.

He stated that in order to avoid having their messages

read he wanted to work out a code with the aid of two dictionaries. He
explained that each of them would have a dictionary, and that inhere would
be a method of word substitution worked out. .... - ' . ^
He will further testify that he then gave Bwjuesn* the f
information set out in the radio messages wMch had been received from
Germany which were to the effect that the other side had received the radio
messages and thanked him for his reports and reporting that.the two items,'

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namely the gas mask and mustard cannister, had not arrived in J
Germany and to ascertain how he had seat them* He then asked - <
uquesne how he had sent the gas mask and mustard cannister. ,i
Duquesne stated that he gave them to the Chief Fireman on the Italian ^
liner, HEX, to be sent by way of Catania*
Duquesne said that the aicrephotographs of the first
magazine article which he, Sebold, had given him had been sent by him
to Germany by mail* Duquesne then dictated the following messages,
which he wrote down in Duquesne*s presence:-
inside of a l l envelopes, wax and
charcoal. ( I t night be explained that apparently
BUQUESNE steams open an envelope} then placed crtr
the Inside of the envelope a piece of wax paper and

r types on the wax paper a message. He then places

some dummy material in the envelope and s a i l s i t t e
the other side* They then re*open the envelope and
rub charcoal over the inside surface, which brinesout
ressisse*) Two Germans by name o^flflJHf
i0 w e r e
working in t h e German subBariae yard
cane to THe USA with prints of armed coast guard defense
cruiser which they say i s being built in Germany in
large quantities* They a r ^ t r r i j i g ^ r ^ d i t h e h e l p o f a
atent agent by the ^^^^^^^^^^^^|HH|flHflH

L ment* [5DQDESNE said that he would send infonuat a

rough sketch of the cruiser.) 94 milk tank wagons are
being sent to the Allies, same as are used by milk compan
ies, t o be used for fuel transportation. 20 of them went
off on the S.S Champlaia* 302 Curtiss pursuit planes in
unused condition made for the U. S. Army are turned ever
to the Allies Purchasing Commission. 1,006 second-hand
planes are being furnished* 590 training planes, second
hand, have been sent to Canada. Bendix i s shipping night
bombing planes* Norway Americans are hired by detective
agents for return to Norway."

Duquesne then called his attention to a newspaper item

which appeared on or about June 10th, accompanied by a photograph
of a boy- He stated that this boy was an imeriean, and according te
the fnewspaper item, had been killed by-a bomb, in Germany;, that the
boy 8 father was known to him, Tjuquesne, and used to be engaged in
the German Espionage System in America and worked around munition
plants.
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Juquesne also stated that W^ter Winchell, in his

i f June U t h had atatea that the "Hari Pyister Vjt

bad arrived in Hw j*rsoy* and he aa&e several disparaging

remarkB about-Wltr.liBchell#
Buquesne then said that he would sail to bio, Sebold,
at his Hempstead address, a lot of aaterial about airplanes
which he wanted to ge on Friday by the S.S. MdNBATTAN.
He also handed Sebeld. a booklet which be said should be
sent to the other side, to be used for propaganda purposes
in Anerieae This booklet is #1, entitled T H E PAMPHLETEER"
and has on its first page, "Serve TJBcle Sam, Knight of the
British Ewpire* by JOHN J. wHITFORB, World Traveler, and
"Forum of Public Opinion".
Sbold will identify as similar to the copy which he
received from Duquesne
(Exhibit U3-213).

June 13, SEBOLD will testify that he discussed the following mess-
1940. ages with Agent Ellsworth for transmission to Station AGRt
"June 13 5t00 260 letters Msg, Ho. 11
Got photos from OCT. Manhattan stays here.
did not arrive with coney. STEDJ wants to go to
California for two nonths with cousin* Asks oaa
she sake contacts or work for you there* She got
letter from HEINRICH Betroit about airplane
motors. How shall I send it and other things I
have* "
(S. U46 - P . 13)
they encoded and turned this message over to Agent
r transmission to Rdio Station AOHj tbAt on this
ate Badi^fessage #9 was received and turned over to :
the* by AgeiatflHB^ The message, when decoded and trans*- -i
lated road as xoUoinrt**
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June 8 12:06 100 letters Meg* No. 9

Is it true that shipments of provisions have
preference over war materials?"

June Set old will testify tha^hereceived at 144

1940. Washington Street, care o f ^ ^ H f Heapstead, Leng Island,
New York, a package which bore the return address:
"Suite 805, 60 Wall Tower,
Hew Tork City,"
This package was a r o l l of papers, consisting of
the following U S* Patents:

2,185,545 Propeller Driving Mechanism

2,183.555 Aircraft
Des.118,277 Pursuit Airplane
2,184,260 Linkage System .
2,185,160 Device for Actuating the Controls on
Aircraft
2,186,344 Oil-Air Separator
2,187,040 Retractable Alighting Gear
2,184,U3 Variable Pjth Propeller Mechanism
2,186,229 Engine Starting Mechanise
2,187,295 Airplane
2,185>235 Retractable Landing Gear
Des,118,285 Be sign for a Monoplane
2,183,586 Fuel Feeding System
2,184,032 Driving Mechanise
2,184,306 Radio Direction Finder
2,185,578 Density Responsive Device
2,184,267 Course Guiding System
Hydraulic Remote Control
2,185*277 Wing Slot
2,186,221 Finned Cylinder
2,184,345 Rocking Bjraasde Samper ,. , .
2,184,734
(8. 1466 P. 25)
(Exhibits U3-219 and 222)
That on the same day he received a letter-at P0
Box 574, Grand Central Annex, in an envelope addressed
to bias elf and postmarked New York Jane 13, 1940,
written in English, as follows:

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" . 6.134Q

'' z?*%*$
V Alt IH A. TEEEIBLE POSITION, TELEPHONE WAS
k (BEAT HELP, HIT CANNOT GO OH LIKE THISX t
1 HOPE KKJLL H^TE LOTS OF GOOD NEWS KM KE,
OTHERWISE AM SONK. - HAVE SOlffi HEWS FOR TOU

L."
( )
( E x h i b i t 1419^48 an* 5 0 )
(Q.76 and 7 7 ) .

Further, that he discussed the following message for

transmission to Station AOR irith Agent Ellsworth, which was Message #12

n
Jane 14 6:00 400 Letters.; Hsg. Ho. 12
I fond no proof shipments provisions nave prefer-
ence over -war materials. Both shipped in large
amounts, TJS. Army just traded in eighty aore seven
year old Northrup Bombing planes. Total old
planes released now 263* Companies resell to Allies*
Allies boxight 600,000 thirty calibre British
Eafield Rifles 800 French machine guns, mortars,
aaaurdtion. Delivery through Canada cash arri carry.
H.S.

(Se 1446 - P. 16)

Agent ELLswortJ^ooj^his message for ,
encoding and taming over to Agentf^^^Bfor transmission.
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8EB0LD will farther testify from his notes

;
" ' ' " '- ( u a s - 4 ) "- "'" - -

that he vent to Columbus Circle, New York City, and met EEKN SIEGLEE
about 5:00 PMJ that Siegler advised him that the S.S. MtHBATTAH was not
going to Portugal* They then walked in Central Park, and sat down on a
bench where they talked. He asked Siegler what he Intended to do.
Siegler said that i t was not known at that time but that probably he and
AUFZUG would remain on the boat because they had chief positions* He then
asked his i f he knew anyone else who sight take the microphotographs to
Germany, and suggested BOO. Siegler said that that was a good idea, and
that he would write Dold a letter to get in touch with him, Siegler.
He then handed Siegler a microphotographic copy of the letter which he
received from BOEDER and which contained the answers to the inquiries set
out in the id.crophotograph which was originally handed to Roeder. He then
asked Siegler to also have that mierophotograph sent over. Siegler stated
that he would do his best to get the materials across, and in case he could
not do anything he would let his knew about i t . He then asked him what
he and AUFZUO planned to do in the near future. Siegler said that i f
the steamship company "lays him off* he would take a job somewhere in the
Cat skill Mountains, and that~4uf*ug was going to be rry busy with the
Marine Division, meaning Marine Espionage Division. He then asked Siegler
if i t would not be possible to work together with the Marine Division and
Siegler said that the other side did not like such an idea and instructed
them to keep *htolr activities separated*

He then asked Siegler i f the Marine Division had a

radio in the United States. Siegler said that he did not know, although
he did say that he and ATJFZUQ own a pilot radio* He asked bin if he had
ever picked up any message concealed and broadcast from the other side.
Siegler said that he personally had not but that perhaps Aufzug had*
He then asked Siegler how he ever became attached to
the Aircraft Division lathlsespionagey work. Siegler said that a friend
of his by the name ^////)///////M ^ u s e d to be on the RELIANCE and
later on German boats, wroteniBH!etter andpuWrija in contact with the
"gentleman in Genoa". Heasked Siegler wnatflHHBflooked l i k e , and
Siegler said that be was a young man* having wack Mir and with a scar en
his fact. The description that fat gave was similar t the description
had given | the man that he mentioned by the name of
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The description of this man alao

:ftrom
description of the aan who had been referred to * f l H H p '*** ' '-*
idiom BOQDESHB received a letter and who was also referred to
by ROEDSR and whom Boeder stated he used to meet at the Long
Island railroad station in Baldwin.
He then asked Siegler where the cable came from
that he received in Genoa which had him meet the man at Columbus
Circle. Siegler said that he received the cable on board the boat,
and that the cable had been sent in Genoa* He then asked Siegler
i f he knew the location of the radio station in Germany, and Siegler
said that according to AUFZUG the station i s located in Hamburg.
He then asked Siegler now much pay he got for his services to Hitler*
Siegler said that the last time he was paid they gave him #10
for expenses; that they had tried to get him to take $20 but he had
refused. He stated that his name had been placed on some kind of a
l i s t in Kiel, Germany, which l i s t means that the Germans will never
"let him down" under any circumstances, and that he will always be
taken care of for his services.
Buring the conversation SIEG&ER claimed not t
know very much about-AUFZUG, however, he was very active. Siegler
seemed to feel a l l right about staying in the United States, and said
that the war would be over in a very short time, and that he would
be able to go back to Germany and live" on his rewards. He stated that
while in New York be would live on the boat.
With, reference ^ f l H H H H s V Siegler said that
he got the scar won ULa^heekas a result of a cut with a beer glass.
did not know & e r ( | H H | B W M located at that tine. Siegler said
that there was s t i l l anotnernbivisioa besides the Marine Division and
the Air Division in the German Espionage System but that he did not
know the name of it* He said that AUFZUG knew all about those things.
He then promised to write a l e t t e r as to when he would next meet him,
Sebola.
(S. U45 - P. 9 ) .
, ' Sefeol* w i l l farther
V (BdhibU ^
that about 8:00 P.H*. EVERETT M. ROEDER met him in his car in Heapstead,
Long Island. Roeder iomediately asked if he had any news, and he told
him that there was nothing on the MANHATTAN but that he expected some-
thing on a boat that might arrive in a 'few days*

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They t h a n d r o v e o n t h e highway and p a r k e d 0 9 *

road near a f lying f i e M .
produced a large blueprint, which be handed
to his, and told his that that was a droving of the wiring in the
Lockheed Hudson British Bomberj that it was exactly the same bomber
which is furnished to Britain plus certain wires on the drawing
which are designated by markings from 01 to 029) that these are used
for Sparry purpose* only.
In the lower right hand corner of this blueprint
there appeared the wording,
"Wiring diagram - - elect*
Sparry Off** Ce No* 169, 278
It appsared to bear the date, "Feb. 26, 1940*
That he subsequently turned .this print over to Agent
Ellsworth and photographs were Bade thereof, which he compared with the
original, and identified*
(Exhibit U 1 3 - 7 3 ) .
ROEDER then dictated the following information to Bin
and requested that it be sent to Germany:-
THE STEAMER PASTEUR WHICH SAILS IN A FEW DATS ARE
GOING TEH SETS OF DRAWINGS OF THE NORBSf AND SFEBBX
BOMBSIGHTS. THESE ASE CONSIGNED TO TICKERS OF LOHDON,
WHO WILL MANUFACTURE SIGHTS FQB FRENCH AND ENGLISH. THESE
SIGHTS ARE BEING RELEASED FOE USE OF ALLIES. VTCKERS
DETROIT WILL MANUFACTURE THESE SIGHTS AND SPESRT I S GOING
TO MAKE 1200 WHILE BORDEN WILL MAKE 1400* IT I S NECESSART
IXffi BOTH CONCERNS TO SPEND AT LEAST THREE MONTHS IN TOOLING
BEFORE PBODOCTIOH STARTS I S ANX QUAHTITI. TBHtE I S GREAT
ACT1V1TI. WORKING HOURS INCSllySi^ ^ f i
WORK GOINC} OS ' &~WBK PILOT I S 'W^if^yPB/ffiilJffi
ELBCTRICALLT DEIVSl GIROS Aim IICTRICAL SIGJU1 PICK OF
WHICH FEEDS THREE INDI7IDIJAL SERVOS TlffiOUGH JMPLIFlERSV
THESE AMPLIFIERS IflTEODUGE RATS SIGNALS UTILIZING FIRST
AND SECOND DERIVATIVES. THE SERVOS ARE VEEI -SIMILAR TO THE
ASCANIA RODDER MACHINE. ALSO THIS PHOT CAN BE USED WITH 1 -
THE GTRCS OF THE BOMBSIGHT. (SIGNED) CARR."

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BOEDER said that in a short time he would take a few

weeks* vacation, and would make a trip to Tellowfitone
Rational Park with two plant officials from Harden*s and
that he night be able to develop some valuable information
on that trip* He mentioned nothing about money cm this
meeting nor anything about radio operation.
Boeder then asked what the shortest possible connect-
ion was with Germany then, and he told him ten days.
They talked a great deal about the war, and Boeder said
that England and France were then "yelling" because
the United States did not help them) that he recalled on
his trip to England that he went to the Opera House
where they made comedy of "Uncle Shyleck" and seemed to
be proud that they had not- paid their war debts.
Roeder agreed to meet him a peek from Monday, on
June 24, 1940.

Jane 15> SebolA, from his notes,

1940,
(Exhibit 1A1913)
will testify that at about 2s00 P.M. he went to rrr.T.Y
STEIN'S apartment, where he net and talked with her about
thirty minutes.
She asked him if he had any news and if he had
received any money. He told her that the monyy had not
arrived, and that she should have patience as he expected
it to arrive in a few days. He asked her if she
had erwugh.itp,,,ie^,ont,,JS|||r ma^-^e^^^^^^mr&t^SM*

:
J w2 the ^rf/wis W ^ i S S i hi
the 8 e l e t t e r s and. who signed them by typewriter, Heinrich.
This l e t t e r read AS followsi - . ' - ..,.'

(S. 1U7 - P. 17)

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"In the stratospheric plane the pressure is maintained at 15 pounds (

throughout tte^en^je fuseLage*. Jbat is to Bap'kte^tixB bv^^tgM, ,, ' \ :: y.^
1^ * eaglna r o m to all spawe occupied by paasaagers constl-wks one * .' *'-O
compression o b m b e r * -.-^v'/.v/v:. - v.1- '"/r;,*^;"' - --..j
The chamber consist o f a n inside shell a n d a n outside sbellj the 2 a r e >*
held 1 A place b y ribs, spaced about 50 centimeters apart. T h e thickness
of the hall is about lo centimeters, and it is of Ittral. '<"'
fo keep the pressure at an even level, a loader or compressor is used.
It runs from the exhaust gases of the engine, and it has 2 different
speeds for various altitudes. I was told that the first speed is used
up to 24ooo feet, toe second speed up to 36OOO and higher. ^
The compressor is driven thru helical gears, mostly made by the M chi-
gan Tool Company.
Former attempts to drive toe compressor thru cone gearing,(cone worms
that provide continuous area of contact, thirty times greater than con-
vential worms, and very efficiently used on Automobil engines) proved
thattillssystem did not work out so very well.As a consequence the
above system is sofar considered the best and will likely be used ex-
clusively until something better can be found.
Some engineers are reported to be working on an entirely different prin-
ciple, viz: An automatic airvalve working under the same pressure as
the air-intake manifold on the actor, governs the speed of the compres-
sor, the thinner the air the higher the compressor speed. This arrange-
ment is supposed to eliminate the necessity of a 2 or 3 stage type.
I was informed that speed could similarly .be regulated as the control-
arm in front of the mixLngchamber on an automobilmotor, regulates the
speed of the engine. Thie seems quite simple, but I am not so con-
vinced that the airralTB will function in very high altitudes.
On this particular ship, the auxiliary engine was a 2 cylinder,
aircooled 4HP. gasoline engine made by the Bendix Corporation. It
runs continuously at 4000 S.P.M. The engine is only used to produce
electric current, not to provide the desired airpressure. T^e idea to
use auxiliary engines instead of a compressor has been completely aban-
donet.

Electric current for wireless, lighting, electric motors and such like
i s produced from auxiliary engines of the type above described and as
a l s o mentioned i n a previous l e t t e r . They a r e using 150.. t o . 200 V o l t s A.C* /V A
T h e . i g n i t i o n s y s t e a f o r t h e aero* engije;ii J i ^ i e t ; t y p e ' ^40O.15O.3OOO . 'yY..-l.'. i : -t J
k i l o v o l t a t 2 t o 3 Mllllampere. '.- "-V'"'- ; " ';-*' ' " - "''.''".?

Propellers*
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propellers per year,

fyeoaiag BiTiaion, Aviation KsarafaottadLag Corp. U l l i a a s p a r t Pa. ana
of aaaUer
l propellers,
p p , 'i&ttt a yearly
yely capacity
pcty of f 6600
per yaar. They also ak a propeller of ho3JLir steel places, pitch-
control Irani tho gas torottle.
Beinricli
Letter M^. 3 faLlowi
the Boeing S.ratoliner type 3o7, ifcich i s the ship j u s t pat
i n Service has the following modern equipment supplied by the
SeilipM A-viatLwa, DtrUion of the Bendbbc Aviation Corp. Bsadix, N.J.
* Direct cranking; electric starter, salenoyri-relay-battery-boosteiv
coil. single Voltage 08 generators, Autosyn alteroatora and dynaaotors,
landing gear, flap and tailwheel retracting Botor8j propeller anti-
icer pumps and rheostats. Airoheok valvoe-Vaciiua instroaeat and de-
leer- posps, de-icer dietributing and control valves and engine synciaroo-
copes.

June 17,
1940.
Sebold met Ellaworth at Hempstead at 1:30 P.M. and.
drogeto the radio station, -where together they received
m ^ message received from A.O.K., Milch they decoded and found to
read as follows
" FURTHER ICES FOR LAHG
questionable may
JOOEHEY MttX.W OBJSBTIGCr
MESSAGES THROUGH YOU.1 WJXL 300H NEW W A S.' " *
OF COMMJKICATIQN AKD 1CNET.
BOAT. GUTEN EMPFAJK3.

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June 19, SEBOLD testify fro his notes,

1940.
(BAibit U10-4)
that be vent to LUG'S home, arriving about 5:45 P.KUJ
that lie had written out i n hie own handwriting on a
scrap of paper a portion of the message received the 4aj
before which concerned L*ng, to wit:

arel

He handed this scrap of paper to LANG who read it and said

the aessage was OXJ
(Exhibit UlO ~ ! ! )
that he k n e w Q J ^ P a n d f l | | H t He then asked him about
the eaning of the laa^groupof l e t t e r s , and Lang said
that that was the name of the fellow who used to work with
fcnt hi in the Norden plant who went back to Germany last
August* The aan*8 name was (FRITZ SOfflle
He then asked Lang questions about the beab sight.
He told Lang that he would probably get a big feather in his
cap for doing the things which he had done for Germany.
He asked Lang how nuch he received for his services and
whether he was not afraid he would be "double-crossed"
and "gypped" out of his rewards on the other side. Lang
said that he did not receive anything for his services
except a promise to be taken care of; that be i s not afraid
of anyone in Germany because he knows ADOLF HITLER in
person, and used to fight with him freg.923 to 1927} that
sight was one of

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, t . _ them <*&-<*'Hal tftfc 4brstl]V #$>>:. ' ***f.

asked *|%J fee had a good camera -and v if he could ;<jj^B//^.. ^ r
katchss^?a^ '
personally A technician and was very anxious to learn how
technical information could be gotten out of a plant but
Lang would not go into ore detail. He then asked bin
if h i s knowledge, apparently of the bomb sight, was any good
to Germany now and Lang said ne, because the bomb sight
bad been in German possession for two years. Lang said,
"I am sorry that I did not go back to Germany right away."
He said that i t was kind of difficult to go back now, be-
cause this would draw the attention of the plant to him}
that he had been fingerprinted also at the plant. He then
asked Lang i f there were any other Germans in the plant.
Lang said about 60$ of the employees were German but that
they were "a bunch of rascals".
IA!IG said t h a t RANTZAU'S f i r s t name i s RICHOL&S.
Re said that Bantzau used to be a *hauptmann* (Captain)
in the German Army and was a textile engineer in the United
States; that he used to use the name 1 of SITTER also and
was married to a German.school teacher in the United States,
divorced, and re married again in Germany. Lang then asked
him i f he knew anyone going to Mexico; that Rantsau had a
brother in-Mexico who used to be in the United States.
Lang then asked him i f he knew anyone in the German Consul-
ate. He told him that he did not but that i f he wanted to
get a message to then he might be able to arrange a contact
through a girl by the name of ELSE. Lang said that he
had heard of Else but did not say anything further.
With reference to the bomb sight, Lang stated that
there was only one man who knew a l l the facts about the bomb
sight, and that he personally i s that man. He gathered
from the conversation that Lang had, in some way, gotten the
bomb sight out of the Norden plant, possibly by making
sketches and re-constructing the bomb sight at home or in
fellowiag

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EBITZ SOto 0 7 RHE3E8EPOSLZ

HEITE IANG AM) ADVISE BBS? WAI TO LEAVE USA
AND TRAVEL CONNECTIONS U S B FEELS SCTJKS"i

Lang also said that if SOMU comes to the Omited

States he wanted to see him right away.
He advised Lang that Sorau appears to be the head
of the Air Division. Lang apparently did not know
Sorau except to have beard his name in the German Consul**
ate. He then asked Lang if he knew of any bomb sights
having been stolen from the NORDEN plant, and shipped to
Germany by way of San Francisco and Japan. Lang said
that be did not know anything about such a matter. He
said, however, that the Americans have found out about
the bomb sight being on the other side, apparently,
through newspaper reports that airplanes shot down in
France were equipped with the bomb sight, and that
the Americans will probably star^ a plant investigation
in view ef this information. He said, however, that they
will not find anything on M m . He then asked Lang if
the Norden Company paid him well, and he said, "Tes*,
that he had a job there as m inspector but that his heart
was not in the work; that be was "just t">f>g4fg around there"*
He then requested that hi, Sebold, write Germany immediately
and furnish him their answer as soon as possible * luring
the conversation Lang also told him that be had previously
been employed in Seuth Germany by SXEKUT SCHDORT COMPANY,
which is the same firm with which he, Sebold, had worked,
Lang also said that he had been employed in Germany by
Machineniabric Augsburg, Xuernberg, which he, Sebold, had
also worked for in South America, and which company is
referred to as the MANj that he recalls that this
company has very close connections with the TJ. S* Havy,
and other government departments in Washington, B.C,
particularJLy with reference, to royalties and such matters*

: . ' ..-'. ^ ' ^ i ^ V i ^ 5 ) f ' ' v v "/""*'

June 20, SEBGLB discussed with Agent Ellsworth Coded Message 1

1940* #13 to be sent to Station ACS which message, when translated,
r e a d s a s follows:** " .-..-- - -

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possible t o hear fro

g m m r ' l i e n he would like t
the best means f leaving by Hexied* H a
wife i e ick3y and cannot stand a long journey.
Generally he f e e l s f a i r l y secure* I await
answer.

(S 1446 - P. 21)

June 22, He w i l l t e s t i f y from h i s note*

1940.
(Exhibit U2O-3)
about 11:15 A.M. he was walking aleng 86th Street, near
the Horn & Hardart Automat Restaurant when he "ran into"
SUFZBG (Franz Stigler). They~wea$ into a stand and had
a glass cf orange jtdce together* Stigler said that his
boat was laid ap but that he had not yet been fired*
Re then asked Stigler if he were.busy in the *Mn Division
and Stigler stated that he had a lot to do and that
that afternoon he was meeting someone* He asked if he,
SEBOLD, would be able to send some radio messages for
him to Germany and he told hi that he would be glad te
Stigler said that he would write to him in the near future
at his Bail box and arrange to meet him and give bin aone
messages to send over.
(s* 1504 - P. 32)
SEBOLD will further testify fron his notes
(Ejrhibit 1A19 - 13)
that at about 2:00 P.M. he went to LILLY STEIN'Sapartaent
located at 127 East 54th Street, Hew lork CiV# *
he met her. H handed her a _., *"*
'of which were theletUrs -L.S.'' .
handed to t& by H W I 5 SIEOatEBV She tried to read this
ndcrDphotograph with her reading glass but could not; w k e
it out so he promised her that he would bring his glass at
the next meeting*"^ She then handed him the third letter,
which she had received from Detroit signed "Heinrich".
The envelope of this letter, is addressed to MISS L U L X
STEIN, 127 East 54th Street, H e w Terk, and is postmarked
Detroit, Michigan, June 18, 1940, 7sOO P,M*

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,.-,:. It is a. two
1940, and reads as follows*-*

(S. 1516 - P. 4)
(Exhibit U8-8 and 9)
(Q89 and 90).

I m now in a position to give you some |re

information on the socalled Stratoliner*
The first 2 were the Boeing Ho. 3o7 four
engine d Strato-Clippers delivered to Pan American Airways for inter-
national service. The second delivery covers 5 Boeing A engined
Stratoliners to Transcontinental and Western Air Inc these
ships have the following specifications.
Power plant: 4 Wright C3l-182O-Qlo5a Cyclone engines
each HooHP. for starting' giving 9ooHP
at 67oo fet or 775HP at 17300 fet.
Propellers s Hamilton standard, y blades, constant
speed, fall feathering ll foot diawter.
Loader*i Autoaatic 2 speed superchargers, aaintain*
ing comfortable low altitude conditions in
the entire cabine during upper lensl flight
at altitudes of 14ooo to 20ooo feet.
Weights: Enpty weight is 30ooo pounds, useful load
15ooo lbs. Gross weight 45ooo lbs. It
carries 33 persons by day or 25 by night
(16 beds and 9 reclining chairs)*
Crew: Captain, first officer, flight engineer and
2 hostesses total 5 '

Bodydesignj

Body-<iiaaeter U f feet, overall length 74 f*et

4 inches, Wingspan.lo7 feet 3 inches,, overall
height 20 feet ^

Cargo: It can carry below deck 6590 l b s . cargo

and 1700 gallons of fuel*

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m
:tov
Oenerajf Should one engine stop and the others turn at
full speed, it is possible to retain straight
without using rudder pedals, at all speeds between
90 miles per hour and the maximum 3 engine-speed.
With maximum load and only 3 engines running, it is
possible to climb to more than ISooo feet. With 2
engines stopped on one side and the ether 2 at full
power it is possible to trim the plane for straight
flight with controls free at all speeds between llo
miles per hour and the maximum 2 engine speed, and
in this condition it is also possible to make turns
with ailerons only. Loaded to maximum gross weight,
the plane can climb to 8ooo feet with only 2 engines
operating*
The plane is so designed that sadden failure of an
engine at any point during takeoff is of no concern.
By engine failure at any point beyond 1750 feet from
start to take-off run, it is .possible to hoM to
course and continue to take off and climb, or if a
failure should occur within the first 1750 feet,
to bring plane to a step on the airport runway. It
is impossible to make 'a stall-take off with this
plane*

Altitude
conditioning!
An automatic supercharger, heating and ventilating
system is used. Fresh air enters the intake in the r-
leading edge of the wing, passes thru a water separetfar
and into a mechanical supercharger driven by the *
inboard engine. Here the air is rotated at high
speed thereby increasing the density. It them passes

the cabin, it passw thru &

an ,
valve located in the aeoessory eempartmen^ bel^^ '
deck* It then passes tbra a distribution vaXfe to be
directed into the cabin either thru a series of floor
level grilles or a series of overhead grilles and
individual outlets at passenger seats and berths, or
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After the air has circulated thnitha cabin It

passes '$&%, mat*.in the floor w aa automatic
outlet t^l *! in b t
below deck, where it is discharged to the out-
side ataosphere*
HEHSUXJH*

STEIN s t i l l insisted that she had ao idea who Hirieh

is* She stated that she had learnedftjoaaaeHiber of the FftSffGH PtTRCHAS-
ING OOMMISSION, name believed to b e ^ H ^ H t phonetic), who arrived on the
CH&KPIAIH that the steel which was purchase? ey the French wL 11 act be
taken orer by the English; that the S.S. CHAMPUIN had been sunk. She
did not say whether she had found that this ship was scuttled after arrival
in New York or had been sunk before arrival*
She also stated that the son of{
^ n t by Clipper on Thursday last, which would be Jane
o Lisbon to drive an ambulance in France! that be was the saas
an who was i n Danzig, Germany, last August. She requested hi,
Sebold, to radio such of this information as be felt important to Germany.
He asked LULX STEIN i f she would try te find a
bTL way threogh ELSE for a friend of his to get out of the United States through
Mexico* Stein said that Else sight be able to give him soae help as her
boy friend, tuire RTTT^RJ left for Germany by way of Mexico aad that Else
visited MB i n Mexico last Spring, she also said that when she f i r s t
arrived here she had instructions to contact her, Else, er Hans Sitter*
She said, however, that she contacted ELSE and never met HASTS* He then
delivered to her the substance ef radio nsss&ges received, namely, that the
other side had no objection to her going to California but that she
should continue her observations and sendher aessages through kirn, Sbold,
also that the an with the money naoedflH^iad aissed the last boat,
and that the other side would radio i n thenear future new ways of
eoasunication and easy.
-'.*'-' -.'>$.*-,v---* ' . ' ^ . v w N ^ ' W ' $ < y j * > ' . .'V
. : - - STEU stated that she had no way to go to California
had no aoney. Stein .then stated that she laad ant flHH
\the wife of a aoted^2___-Jabg^^b eatiis previous
Long Island Golf Club throughflBHHHIipthe: wife of the awaber of the

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told her she knew of

Clab, p _
poll ties. P r t a t e d that she thought i t was fanny that
t h i s lady should l i r e a t a Golf Club, p a r t i c u l a r l y i s t a r 3
S p r i n g ; t h a t she h*4 a a k * d t h e | e a d d y what i r ~
and he t o l d h e r t h & t f f l M H H M f f a s a German, and
FBI had comeTSti^^oli 1 club the other day *hea she
is playing golf, and searched her rooft, nd then took Ser
prison as a spy; that she was then i n the WoBeate Prison.
STEIH also said that she net through|
in the Hotel
>tel Alcorn,
rakia; that she left Prague
December, and has plenty of money and lives very highly. Stein said
that she wdght be a German spy*
(ROTE)
,<
The following information which seems to
apply to Federal Bureau Agents, i n fact,
refers to New Terk City Police Officers,
and i f possible, should be clarified a t
the tiae that this information goes into
evidence.
STEP? said that on Thursday she had set two men froa
the Federal Bureau of Inve*igatiottj that the f i r s t time she net thea
they did not aay they were connected with the FBI. She stated that
has a fries*, who i s an American, and that this friend has
a boy who has sad a_JolLjen the radio. A friemd of his i s a
New Tork ^iMMMBP^lBjy her his badge
on Tuesday, s Ztten&s to go oat with the_ g i r l s ,
however who they were and Stein askt
who they that ^hey were with the rar itf&r n,

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a great deal witfc

m ; MS4 t^4* TO ~^
ffor drinke at the
an* along with his; that this "G aaa*s name i(_
to Stein and .asked if she was Jewish r not.
she was half-Jewish. fHHfonce asked her to explain to
flater on what his work was. He said that he had t o watch
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ r k l a g on un-A*eriean a c t i v i t i e s . He also asked her
to t e l i p j m B H p t h a t ** s h e &*<* any trouble getting her visa
extended he could have i t done through his connections. Jtheaan said
that they had t o go to the Yankee Stadium on business. flHHBalso
said that he had to cover a lead in the Catskill MountaTnsaSd t h a t the
day before, which was Wednesday, he was at the railroad station
watching the train when "IB" went through t o Hyde Parkj that he, SEBCH,
coDplioented LILLY STEIN on having such contacts and t o l d her she should
keep up her contacts with the G an and other such individuals so that
she could keep abreast of the developments
He left the apartsast about 2s50 PM*

(S. 1516 - P. 4 )
' He will further testify that on the saae date he mailed
a letter to ERWIN SIEOLER, directed to him as Chief Butcher on board the
S.S. MANHATTAN, TJ. S. Lines, Hw York, which read as follows**

Bear Erwin,
I would l i k e t o see you next Tuesday at the sane
tine and at the saae place. Greetings.
Harry"

U14-26)
3
, , , ' _ * < , '
' ->*!,'

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24, SEBdJ
Office B*:5?4;
ed t o himaelf as aSKT SAWT1H, poatmarked at B.ir l o r k ,
- -*.
German, and when translated, reads as follows t~

June 23 1940
Bear Harry,
I most see you at the earliest possible
It is very important, please call me up.
Auf Wiedersefaem*
L.

(Exhibit
(Q 81 and 8 2 ) .

That at about 10*30 A.M* the same aorsiag, he went to

her apartment at which time she said that she had addition**
al inf oroation she wanted M> to send together with iafer-
ation which she gave
She stated that t h e f
had telegraphed to
ential address would be care of the American Minister,
Lisbon, Portugal*
She also stated that her friendjHHHHHHVis
leaving for the West coast, speed. ficalIyH5!uywooa7 i n
about three days and that she wanted her, Stein, to ge
along with her but t h a t she, Stein, had BO money. She
asked i f he could not get her aoae aoney and he told her
that be would see what he could do and would l e t her,know*

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Be will further testify that during this same -

day with Agent BU^ire^tb theywg^fc 4ggt and$Dg0&i4^be. t - T ] O
following ^Bsage''^leh*'was.'tiar3^5cfr to A g o m * m y ^ : ': :*?/.;
for transmission t o station AOE in deraany. - : ::k
" ' ' HessagS#l4 " " ' '..''-' " ' ''
Carr sarys the S. S. PASTEDE carries ten
sets drawings of Norden Sperry bomb
ai^bt to Vickers Company London for
manufacture. Sight released for use
of a l l i e s . Vickers Detroit will also
manufacture sights. Sperry will make
1200 and Norden I4OO. Both firms mast
spend a t least three months in tooling
before production in any quantity begins. *
S. 1632 - P. 3)
That on the samedayMesBage Number 11 was turned
ever by Special A g e n t f H ^ H H p t o Agent Ellsworth and himself
stating i t had been reoa^edTrom Station AOE, which, when
decoded and translated, read as follows :-
n
Question are volunteers for the
English Army openly enlisted and for
which service branch? Tfhat i s the
public reaction? Lang's answer
follows next week. Greetings.
(S. 1632 - P. 4)
SIBOID will further testify from his notes
(Exhibit 1A13-22)
that a t about 8:00 P.M. EVERETT BOEDER net hia in
Hanpstead, Long Island, on the corner of Jackson and
Washington Streets, which is near his home: that he
climbed Into Boeder's ear aadl W*SL * ' "" *'"*"* "
Mgtevays 'aeaKlt^steadi : that
any' perns* , ^icilA Boeder ^Sm * .
material, that i s , the blueprint of
Boater" * " aasaige
" iteL<k WTifciJdi%JL^ e
" " <**'""*' ^^.^ ,
the l a s t time to Qexomji that he, Sebold, then brought

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g*r# m no rarther Jjofo3afcicai on the matter

one of the had reacried Germay. He did say y
are developing a sew boab sight in the Sperry plant, and
were trying to eelve the little problem that ease out
of the old bomb sight, and that be, Boeder, was engaged
is this work. Be said that he night be able to give
hi, Sebold, aom information on this project In the near
future. Be also said that in his opinion the United
States would surely go to war and that "this darn business
is getting too dangerous."
Roeder then dictated the following information for
transmittal to Germany:
* The Grumnan F-4 attack fighter is equipped
with six #30 calibre machine guns counted,
in wings with provision for 37 s&lliHeter
cannon and racks under wings for 400 pound
bombs. Top speed 340 miles per hour*
Powered by one Wright cyclone 700 horse
power engine. 81 ships were ordered for U.S.
Navy. Navy cancelled order and transferred
to England. There is shortage of engines*
Have only 30 engines for the planes."
He will further testify that he left Seeder with the
understanding that they would meet again the following
Monday evening. Roeder said that at that time he would have
some more materials.
(S# 2138 - P. 3)

June 25 SSBC2S will testify that he telephoned ULLI STEIN

1940* at her apartment and told her that he would aot be able to
do anything for her *a far as oney was concerned* ' .She
, asked Ma to see har on T l ^ d ' J 2 ? t h t ^ 200

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, .'.; ;'-" " I w i n ftrther 'te'stify'- frm his aotft*'< ' ^ r

that be checked the Post Office Box 865, Church street Annex, and
found therein a letter addressed to himself as HARHT SAWTER, on
TJ* S. lines stationery, the envelope postmarked New York, June 24,
11:30 P.M. 1940s This letter mis in German, and when translated,
reads as follows:

New York
Jane 24, 1940
Dear Harry,
Can I meet you tomorrow, Tuesday, the 25th,
at the same place? The other i s a l l gone*
Greetings*
E:rwin Siegler*

(Exhibit 1ALV-31 and 32)

(Q 79 and 80).
He will further testify from his notea
(Exhibit U15**5)
that at about 5:00 P1C he went t o Columbus Circle, New York City,
where he aet SEEGLHt} that he took a bus to 86th Street* and Third
Avenue, which i s in Yorkvillej that he then went t o the Lorelei
Restaurant where they drank some beer afterwhich they went across the
street and ate at a restaurant* They then went to the Heidelberg
Tavern and drank aore beer* They were together until 7t3Q P*M when
SIEGLER said that h had t o return, t o the ship, for the ;nigkt|en s ! > v !<
During this period the following conversations took'- %l*tiii&?%P$^~ i'. '",'"'; f' *
. v-SIBG&ER said that he had^jaot be a b ^ ^ ^ * ^ 9 ^
to take the adLerophetographs wtiich he, SfeBCJtD, had given his; that he
asked ATJFZTTG whom be anthinkinglor, on one occasion, called FRANZ
STIGLER, and immediately corrected hinself, to. get hold of goJLd and have
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him take these microphotographs to Portugal; that STIGLER went t o

TJOLD'S hotel, the HOTEL GOVERNOR CLTJ3TGN, and telephoned Dold* a room
bat Bold said that he had company and would not be able to see U s , ,
Stigler; that Stigler returned on several occasions to t r y to g#;t
hold of Dold but without sucoess. Each time Bold said that he had
company and could not see him; that Stigler told him, Siegler, that
he could not underatand-Bald *r- attitude i n this matter. Siegler
kept the microphotographs and said that i f the SS. WASHINGTON left
port he might be able to get them across with a messenger on that
boat. He said that this messenger carried things for the other side;
that he i s a bedroom steward and that as he recalled his name i s
something likeflHBHHHHHIIHsVHF SIEGLER did not say whether
this man was coiKecxedwitn the WMK Division or the "L" Division, mean-
ing the Ifarine Division or the Air Division*
SIEGLER, in talking about the Marine Division, said
that the ring leader or head of the Division in the United States i s
a man named PAUL FEHSEj that he i s a cook, about 30 or 51 years of age,
and has a wife living in Hamburg; that Fehse used to be on the S.S
DEUTSCHLAND or the S.S. NEW YORK; that he was, at that time, in New
Jersey some place, his definite location not known and working as a cook
as a means of covering up his a c t i v i t i e s .
Siegler said that Fehse was trained for the espionage
work in Hamburg and that he said that he personally saw the radio
station there, in Hamburg, and the other officesof the espionage
system*
According to Siegler, FEHSE was fully instructed
in a l l phases of the work; that he was in Norway for some time and
apparently came to the United States from Norway as a passenger on a
boat. Siegler indicated that Fehse i s a United States citizen and travels
on an American passport. He substantiated this by saying that Fehse
was picked up by the French authorities for some reason in Marseilles
and told the authorities that he was born in Germany, They then demanded
that he speak German to them but he refused stating that he was an
American citizen and did not hare to speak German. The authorities then
got hold of the only available interpreter who was a German, and who
translated FEHSEfS English into German so that the authorities could
understand what he was talking about* Siegler said that Fehse always
gets a laugh out of the t e l l i n g of t h i s story. . . ,.

Siegler further stated that the M" Bivisioa had

secured a lot of large photographs of battle ships and submarines, and
that they were sending these items to the other s ide by cutting the
photographs up into small pieces for transmission. He suggested to

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SIEGIER that they make microphotgraphs of suck itms .sad Slegler

said that he thought that the Division" would be glad tp hand
this material to him, Sebold, so that he could sake michrepbote**
graphs of then* He told him that he would be fclad to do this for
them, and that he could also Bake micropbotographs of blueprints.
SIEGLER also said that the "If.Division* was going
to try to get him, SEBQLD, to transmit radio messages for them.
Siegler said that he Bright "get laid off" as the S.S. MMHATTAN then
had only a skeleton crew, and that if he was "laid o f f he expected
to take a room at 85th Street in Yorkville*
He then asked Siegler about
whom Siegler had statedhadw a recommended
s tllen on
him to the Espionage Service"
ne 8
Siegler said ^ ^ ' 4 H I B V ^ i l*Ml of Sylt, in the
German North Sea and that he, apparently, was with the Anti-Aircraft
Division of the Army.
SIEGIER said that FRANZ (Stigler) was very busy in
his *ork with the M. Division" and that he was oa the go all the time.
He did not know definitely the nature of his activities or idiom he was
contacting. He said that if he, Sebold, needed any money he should
speak up as "the outfit" (apparently meaning the M. Biiision) had plenty
of money in a bask here, and that they would advance money to him if
he needed any. He gave Siegler the address Box 574> Grand Central
Annex, as Siegler had been sending mail to the old box at the Church
Street Annex.
Siegler stated that he had received his, Sebolds,
letter after having written to him. He stated that they could get
together again when desired, by writing to each other.
(S 1504 - P* 33)
He will further testify that on that saias day he
discussed with Agent Ellsworth and worked out the following message to
be sent to Germany:
m

June 2$ 5:00 400 Letters Ksg. No* 15

. ..- . rwcft
How shall I send big drawings of wiring Lockheed ENMiber
from Carr? He says lot research at Sperry* lew pllt
tinder development using electrically driven gyros and
electrical signal pickoff which feeda three individual
servos through amplifiers. - Amplifiers introduce rate
signals utilizing first and second derivatives. These
servos are similar to Ascania Rudder Machine. This
pilot can be used with gyros of bombsight. Greeting."

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<S# 1632 - P. 8)

Also Message #16, which when translated, read a*

fellowts ' " '' ' V : - v

June 25 6:00 260 Letters Mfig- N o . 1 6

Stein learned from member French Purchasing Condsaion
that steel bought by France will not be taken over_.
sunk. She s<
"""left on eli|
jursday to Portugal to drive ambulance in France. He
was in Danzig last year. When will money arrive?"

(S. 1632 - P. 9)*

June 27> SEBOLD will testify from his notes

1940
(Exhibit U19-O3)
that he went to LILLY STEIN'S apartment about 2i00 P.M.
as previously arranged. She produced a letter tr<m her
landlord, BUTLER, BALDWIN INC.* 385 Madison Avenue, New York
City, notifying her that her rent in the amount of $70.00
for June had not been paid and that unless they received pay-
ment by June SB, 1940, they would institute dispossess pro-
ceedings without further notice to her. She requested his,
Sebold, to ascertain from Germany whether she should sign
another lease and also find out about some money for her.
She stated that she might go to work for some Catholic
Refugees who give jobs* She also said that be should send
such of the following information as he thought pertinent
to the other sidej, that she had learned that two men from

'ferdeauk> jJBMatgg^gr they were

coning orer to liquidate t

Some of t h e members of t h e Commission were leaving

on Thursday by Clipper for France. - ' .

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-'^ :- - ^ v ; - f S ^ ^ 4 ^ s i ; > h e a r d that-^J^BB*ii, t ^i|i'eco:

had gotten i a touch witii the Uruted States Conmdsaion/ar^eatlj-

She requested that he telephone br as soon as he

got the solution to her problems. *

(S. 1516 - P. 23).

He will further testify that during the day he
discussed idth and worked out Message #17, to be sent to Germany, which
read as follows i-

June 27 5:00 300 Letters Msg. No. 17

Have not beard or read of any enlistment- for English
axmy. No public opinion in favor of i t . hat shall
I do with letters from Heinrietf in Detroit? Manhattan
sails Tuesday for Lisbon, Portugal. I will send
material withSiegler. Will you meet him or shall he
give i t ^ o f l l B P Dunn says examine inside fill
eavelopes xorwax - use charcoal."
(S. 1632 - P. 12)

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^ 5 i -cm the e t a i a r r
of tl TJS* Liaei; MASHiftAH, i n Qenn, and iihen translated read
as follows t-

junc 26 1940
Dear Harry,
I would like to Meet you tomorrow evening the 27th
at 4s00 P.K* as we are sailing for Europe on
Tuesday. Aufzug will be with Be. Greetings*
Enrin*
(| 34)
(Q 83 and 84).

He ifill testify from his aotes

that he went to Columbus Circle in New York City about 4s00 P.M. where he
met 88WTJT SIEQLER and JRAUZ STlGLERj that they then went into Central Park
where they talked a while and then went to a nearby Bar where they had sone
beer. They also spent some time in a shooting gallery where Stigler tried
to "show off" his prowess as a marksman, but that he, SEBOLD, was able to.,
out-shoot him whereupon STIC&Efi said, Tou are now chief of the gang". '
Most of their conversation concerned inconsequential natters, such as
women and the rewards that they were to get in Germany when the war is
over. Stigler and Siegler seemed to expect estates in South Africa for
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N - .^.- ./,',--,
, .

GERHDF rOftitt VEKLC8ES GEGANGEIU

F0BR FTJff.* '" ' " ;;-r"*.
This message, when translated, reads:-

GERHOF DOT IS LCXST. THE DOT FOR FJJBU"

STIGLER explained that Qrhof i s the head of the Marine'

Division and i s located at Genoa, Italy and that HUE: is PAUL FEHSS. The
"dot" referred to, i t will be recalled, i s a message which i s reduced
through photography to that where i t resembles a dot in size, and when
examined under a high powered microscope, contains a message of as much as
fifty words.
STIGLER said that the bedroom steward on the S . S .
WASHINGTON who, i t w i l l be recalled, was referred to hy SISGLER, at t h e
last meeting, had taken the same attitude as Dold about taking material
to Germany; that, is, both had refused* However, he, Stigler saidthat
man on the steamer, "AMEEICA-'V by the naae offmMm^ who is
__ who i s in this business am"
3e said that this man would take messages* Stigler said that he had a
bunch of blueprints of the S.S* AMERICA, hidden away some place in a base-
ment in Hew Jersey) that he did not think he would send these things to
the other side* Be said that the Marine Si-vision has a radio connection
in Baltimore^namely^anamateurradiooperator by the name oi
who is 3-Q0$_|Hfl|HHIflHHHHHHF H* asked STIGLER how"
that this mai^w80#Klarjdttesaiaxnat in Germany the government has
several "ham" stations operated as amateur senders who "feel out"
"hams" on this side of the water; that through this radio connection
flHHwa8 "felt out" as to his attitude toward HITLER and was found to be 0K*
He suggested to STIGLER that this was not a very
safe way to "feel out" a nan and Stigler aid that he believed that the "M

Monday night a t eight

<deck
c l e c k a t (C^lum]^
^ l u i ^ a C i r c l e and that be would.then Intro*.
i
dude him t o PAUL FEHSE, who had already been described as t h e bead of the
Marine Division of the Espionage Work in America; that they
;
would then try to
work out-a. means of working hand-in-httnd* ' '-'- '
(S. 150^ - P. 47)

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June 28, SEBOLD id.ll testify that due, to the fact

1940. he had m appointment with WTJL FBHSBj'S|EH"
and FRASZ STK2J5E for the night of July 1,1940 ^
and as he had promised to.meet BOEDER on that night
he sent the following l e t t e r to Boederjt .,;" '':'"*
June 28.
I can't see you on Monday. Will
see you Wednesday same time.
Harry

On the sane day he received through Agent Ellsworth

Message #12, Tdiich was said to have come from Germany, which read as
follows:-

June 27 10:45 230 Letters Msg. No. 12

The three hundred sent end of Aprji for Lilly i s l o s t .
We have today sent by way of Siberia three hundred for
you, three hundred for Lilly,- tuo hundred fifty for
Dunn. Money goes t o each direct. Hie man -who brings
the money over will be in Hexico in August and help Lang
with his journey. More details follow."
(S. 1632 - P. 13)
He wUJL further testify that on the same day he
discussed, and with the assistance of Agent EUsworth, worked out
Messages #18 and #19 to be sent to Germany.
Message #18, when translated, read:-*

,.. - . - . . . - - . . . - - - ,. . ., , d o t ^ '

Tuesday andX await someone in Id sbofii* Portugal.0

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Message #19, when translated, reads-

June 23 6:00 400 Letters Msg. No. 19

d threatens dispossess her today.;
* , ' . ' ' ; * .

'; ' . . ;'-.-;>. ^i

as
regular. Stein says laromembers ftrendi purchasing
Commission, one n a n e d f l ^ H l o n fray here to
liqaidate CoKmission,^ay^Jeneral of Morocco
has beat i n toudi with TJ. S. Commission. Greetings. 8

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the same day Message #13 was turned, ever by

HHP ta^Mg been received fro* Station ACB .
and when decoded and translated by himself and Agent
Ellsworth, read as follows*-

June 28 12x30 100 Letters Msg. No. 13

Answer to message 17 follows tomorrow twenty
ninth. Dunn should not use the wax systea* "
(S. 1632 - P. 17).

June 29, SEBOLD will testify that he received at Ms Hepstead,

1940. Long Island address a l e t t e r from DUQUESNE which was post-
marked at Ne*" York, June 28, 1940 and which read as follows:
June 28 1940
Dear Barry*
I would like to know how things aregoing with you* Did
you send the candy to our friend flflflB'Did she send
anything as she proadsed for me? I am very aaxiousl
I need laundry and aany other things.
't.
Let me hear from you. Soe address.
Truly,

(Exhibit U3-250 and 252)

(Q 93 and 94).
(S. 1812 - P, 5)
Be will also testify that the save day

translated by.^UBself and Agent

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June 29 13:05 300 Letters M No. U

all aateriai throiagh Siegler
Lisbon, Hotel Boos Haloes. We repeat,^_
Lisbon, Hotel Duos Ncoes Password on Meting is
Sesam eets Frana. we repeat, Sesam greets Fran*.
.ll hand over to Siegler five hundred for
toeaer, three hundred for you, three hundred for

Message #15, which is * continuation of #14

Continued from No. U . * LtLLT, two hundred fifty

for Dunn. Distribution of isoaey by you. Don't
borrow any money for Lilly. All should report
adlitary and technical information and deliveries
Siegier she-old bring Stigler also to
Hearty greetings. *

July SEBOLD will testify fron his notes

1940*
(Exhibit 1A15-7)
that as a result of BOQUESNE requesting an appointment in
his l e t t e r of June 28, 1940, he, Sebold, wrote aaA
nailed the following l e t t e r to Duquesne, which was addressed
to 60 Wall Tower, ROOD 30$ and read as follows a

Jtily 1, 1940
See you Thursday 2:00 P.M. in front of
plant.

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He w i l l further testify t h a t on the same day he

received a l e t t e r addressed t o himself ae EAEBJ.aft.WTER at.Box 574*
Grand Central Annex, on the stationery of the Waldorf-Astoria
Hotel, postmarked Hlj 1, 1940, 7:00 A.tt* this" l e t t e r i s fron
LILLY STEIN and reads as follows t -
n
6/3OAO *I
Dear Harry, i.
Was very disappointed when you did not show
up yesterday* Something nost be done. I
have t o see you t I Will too have other
news, but please come the soonest possible* "
Otherwise I< am finished. I cannot get over
this troubles*
lours, Very Upset
;' -1
L. " I

(Exhibit 1A19-57 and 59). !

(Q. 101 and 102), i
That upon receipt of this letter he telephoned her
1
|
at her residence and nade an appointment to eee her at 11:00 A.M. on *
July 2, 1940* I
(

He w i l l further t e s t i f y that at about 8:00 PM. he '

went to Columbus Circle where he met FBASZ STIGLES and PAUL FEHSE. ;
About five minutes later ERRIN SIEQL1R' joined thea Then the four
walked i n t o Central Park and Bat on the grast and talked for about
a half an hour* Stigler and Fhse then l e f t , and with Siegler he
west to a nearby Bar for a drink or two* He separated from Siegler at
about 913O P.H* During t h i s period lie riaowid a H thre* the radi

/ "

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Lver all material through Siegler to ,

' Liabon, Hotel Duos,Haloes.
^ H ^ M B | l i 8 b o & , Hotel Naooes.
The passwordonBeeting is Sesam greets
He repeat, Sesam greets Franz.
Lll hand over to Siegler five hundred
For Roedsr, three hundred for you, three
hundred for Lilly, two hundred fifty for
Bunxu* (The names were not spelled out in the
message handed to Stigler).
"Siegler should bring Stigler also
Hearty greetings*"

FEHSE gave, his address as in care of P. F. BROKBQFF,

326 60th Street, West New York* New Jersey* He asked him, SEBOLD,
about his contacts in Hamburg, and he named the individuals with whom
he had dealings there* Hens?*!*- FEHSE did not recognise these names '
but stated that these nen changed their names for every contact any
way* Fehse talked scate about his superior named GSRHQFF but did ;
not give any information about him except to say that he is a nice .
fellow. Fehse asked if he had any dealings with the High Command ,
while he was in Hamburg, and he told his that he did not know whether |
or not he did. He then asked Fehse if he was acquainted with the
headquarters at Rottenbauaschassee. Fehse said that he knew the
street; that it was one of two streets away from headquarters of the
High Command, which headquarters are located at Koncbenhauerstrasse.
He explained that these headquarters are merely for the Espionage
High Command. He said that the radio station is also located on this '.
street; that it Is a large red brick building with antennae all over '
it. The building la enclosed in and has beautiful lawns. He said it
looks like a regular broadcasting station. He asked FEHSE if he had :
noticed a certain girl at the High Command offices and described to
bin a girl who on one occasion was in the car which picked him up
at the Klopstock Pension, and took him to Hugo*a office. He had
observed that she was slightly "cock-eyed", that is, one eye pointed
and was about 25 years old and very good looking*
A.tj'--^.-i^^-^w^ i l i ^ ' l a c a 'girl islttW.'ttttiti

' ' FEBSE asked bis, SEB3L9, if he could go out and aee
the radio station. He_tol4 Fehse that that was impossible} that he
had secured the cooperation of a friend of his who comes from an old
American family, and who refused to persdt anyone except him to come
to the station for fear of involving him in some trouble and ruining
the reputation of his family.

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FEHSE seemed to think i t was a l l right under such

conditions. He asked Him i f anyone could see the station's ;,.:
antenna. He told Tehee' that he did' not believe so; that the house
was located on a ten acre estate and could not be seen from the
road, and that anybody coming on the place was immediately run off. ;
Fehse asked what the antenna looked like and he told him that i t was
twenty feet long and consisted of two strands of wire about six
feet apart. Fehse then asked what the call signal of the station i s ,
and he told him that they had "ditched" the call signal and used a
different call signal e>ery day as furnished by the other side*
Fehse then asked how the other messages were sent,
that i s , what kind of code was used. He gave him a rough explana-
tion of the code without naming the book he used. '
FEHSE seemed satisfied with the information and
handed him a long message, written in longhand, which he could not
read very well. He handed i t back to Fehse and asked him to type i t
up on his typewriter^ and condense i t and nail i t to Box 5?4> Grand
Central Annex. Fehse said that he would mail the message in the near
future. It concerned ships which were in port, and relatdjMAters
He then asked Fehse if he was s t i l l in c o n t a c t ^ ^ b f l H ^ H H V i n
Baltimore. Fehse said that he had never u s e d m m ^ ^ t h a t he
was there and available^Ln case of emergency. He told F.ehse that he
night want to contact^JP^by radio and asked him what his call letters
were. Fehse did not know but said that he would write to his and see
what his feelings were at that time. Fehse then handed him an
envelope containing photographs and negative photostats and asked him :
to make microphotograpbs of these items. These items are as followst i
(S. 1672 P 12)
(Exhibit 6)
FEHSE requested him to return the originals together
with the microphotographs on the following Monday afternoon, July 8th
at 4:00 P*JC. at Columbus Circle*
: " '^/';'"' FroB the conversation with these men on
r gathered tb impression that th*: n( MTisl^alA>e *
account txxt thfife tne.aieJwsy iflaT4 W'ly SiiglwrV'Js ,
i s private funds hela by Stigler in local banks from which he could
draw money to loan .to him, SEBMLD*

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/*<.;.:*
v 5/'"; : v';* He w | . | ^ a i | ^ : t ^ t l ^ - - ? f ^ ; s | ! .. .....^^-^.^-^.^y-.. -..
" ": on he*ween these * j ^ / i | * c i i i { t 3 3 p ^ thej^S
*:....:; know ^ ^ ^ 1 : | ^ p | ^ i ^ i i ^ ^ ^ ' | i e > m ^ t W f W ^ o T any contacts ; '-'-/

- -' ilt^'fw'1fe' tJieTWist coast, but that such contacts woald s sr

probably coe in the near future by radio, fie asked Fehse i f there
was any other division in Aaerica then besides the Marine Division
and the Air BLviaion. Fehse did not know of any, and he asked him
i f he knew of such a thing as a Sabotage Division. Fehse said that
he did not believe Germany would engage in Sabotage at that time,
or until such time as there was a very great need for such action.
Fehse asked bin i f he was going to organize a Sabotage Division.
He told his thajt he probably would i f the need arose and asked him,
Fehse, to send any logical recruits to his who might engage in
Sabotage* Fehse said that he would do so.

After separating from Siegler and Fehse, he handed

Siegler the blueprint of the Lockheed Hudson Bomber which he had
received from Roeder*

(Exhibit U13 - 73)*

I t was handed to him in a copy of POPULAR AVIATION MAGAZINE, fie also
handed Siegler a set of aicrophoto graphs of the mawrous patents
which DUQtTESNE had nailed to hia; also tdcrophotographs of the three
letters which had been turned over to hia by 1I1LY STEIN and which were -it
signed "HEXKRICH*. The letters were dated June 5, U , and 18, 1940.

(Exhibit US ~ 12)*
t
Also a microphotograph of RQEDERS answer to the adcrophotographie
instructions which he had handed hia on their first neeting* siegler
already had a&crophotographic tpies of the magazine articles and
the f i r s t patent which concerned sighting device for airplanes which
had been banded to him, Sebold, by Tjuquesne.
Siegler stated that the S

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I f n e i t h e r of us cooes from on board ship,

mflpkboxild try to get in a small boat as
apeddler and come to the port side midships
under a porthole where an antenna or stick
hangs out with a t i n can attached to a line
between 17 and 20 oclock."

(S. 1672 P* 14)

(Exhibit 1A14~36).
(Q 103).

SIEGfcER also said that from then on he intended to

use the name METZGER i n t h i s business. This word,
translated from the German, means "butcher".
July 2j He will testify from his notes
1940.
(Exhibit U19~13)
that he went to T.TT.T.Y STEIN'S apartment, 127 East 54th
Street, Hew York City, and she iaaediately asked him
about aoney, stating that she had to have about one hundred
dollars immediately as the real estate people wanted pay-
ment by July 3, 1940* She asked him to try to secure
some money for her some way. He told her that he would do
the best he cotild in trying to help her with her finances,
and he told her that the money was being sent for her by
way of the MANHATTAN and he would give her the Money as soon
as the ship returned. She s t a t e d t i j a ^ j ^ h reference t o
the individual whom she c a l l e d f l f l f l ^ p ^ ^ i p o a their
previous meeting that he had t o T d n e r t h a t he had been to
the Catskill Mountains "chasing somebody who was supposed
to have propaganda*1! that t h i s "somebody* was a man-of
means wwm a l o t of people suspected of
gandaj hat he obBsrved this sanM chauffeur
and then diJHSorered * priaUn p ^ .
that the man always says sr/ office" wriiipeaWLng about his
t i i t d t h a i he is now out of town*

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I.IXIT STEIN also stated that she had learned through

a girl friend of hers that two Japanese submarines were
situated *ear the Panama Canal, which caused the pre~
cautions to be taken by the United States, as reported is
the newspapers.
(S. 1640 - P. 20).

SEBQLB will further testify that he discussed with

Agent Ellsworth the following message to be sent to
Germany, which they encodedi

July 2 4 s 00 240 letters ifsg. No 20

Siegler says if no one comes off the ship,l
should try to come in a small boat as a pec
to the port side midships at the lower porthole
from which appears an antenna or stick with a tin
can tied to a string, between 17 and 20 o'clock."

(S. 1632 ~ P. 23)*

s message was in code, and turned over to Agent
t the radio station for transmission to Station
^Kr
July 3, SKBOLD will testify that due to the fact that
1940 Thursday, which was the day he had made an appointment to
see DOJtJESMB, was the 4th of July, he sent the following
telegram from Heapstead, Long Island to Duquesne at 60
Wall Tower, Room 805j

translated read as follows t< * "'*5"

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july 3 4 $00 400 Letters Msg. No, 21

Hoeder says Gruaman F-four attack fighter is equipped
with six thirty caliber machine guns isounted in wings
with provision for thirty sevenrancannon and racks
tinder wings for four hundred pound bombs. Top speed
three hundred forty adles per hour. Powered by one
Wright cyclone seven hundred horsepower engine.
Eighty one ships ordered for TJ S Navy. Order cancelled
and transferred to English. Have only thirty engines
for the planes. "

(S. 1632 ~ P. 26)

He > will also testify from his notes
(Exhibit U13~a2)
that ROEDEt, in his automobile, picked his up at about
8:00 P.M. in Herapstead, Long Island, at the corner of
Jackson and Washington Streets*
(S. 2138 - P. 4 ) *
Boeder then drove him around until about 9:00 P.M.
During this period Boeder seemed to be in fairly good
spirits and he was particularly enthusiastic over the
nomination of WENDELL WIUXJZ for President of the United
States and stated that Willkie had a lot of conmon
sense* He then aade very derisive remarks concerning
Stab in the Back Roosevelt He talked quite a b i t about
his target shooting and showed him his p i s t o l , the save
being a ,22 calibre Colt Woodenaa. Boeder handed, him two
,30 calibre cartridges, one of which was S ^ c ' l p m n t t i
arked FA**32 and. ithe other a Tracer llt
*ad tw$ bti&Up wf$iito&& ^ l ^ H ^ ^ ^ S
incendiary bullet, according to BOEggt* 'Kj% bad
nose. - "
(Sxbibit*lAl2-4)

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He then dictated the following information to be

exit to Germany along with these cartridge* and bullets:

The service cartridge is loaded with 4-9 grains

DuPont No* 1127 powder. Ballet weight 173 grains.
Muzzle velocity 2760 foot seconds. Incendiary bullet
weighs 148 grains. Load 46 grains DuPont No. 1127
powder. Muzzle velocity 2940 foot seconds. Incend-
iary mixture burns for 60 seconds and loses 5 grains in
weight in time of flight over 600 yards.
Roeder stated tbatbs could get more of such bullets
if necessary. He aJL^g stated that their new .50 calibre
and 27 ion* bullets/coming out* He also said that 1700
boob sights are on order at Sperry'Sj that they are
a simplified type, combining functions of the bombsight
and three/axis pilots. Designs are scheduled to be
completed and production to be under way before October
first. Roeder stated that tooling is designed on a basis
of 20,000 sights*

under supervision of Sperry engineers. He thought" ti

information might be of interest to the other side.
BOEDER also handed him another large blueprint
bearing the inscription "Traced from Lockheed Aircraft Corp*
Drawing Ho. 169,278Correction Bat* Feb. 26, 1940*
Ship's wiring Diagram ^erry~&ockhee<U Brewing Wo.
SK 1212." Boeder stated that this was a better drawing
than the one that he had previously given M m and whieh had
already been sent to QerBeny

Long Island, which was handwritten, postmarked July 5,

1940, at New York, -N.I and contained the following 'messaged

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Cannot make it* Will get in touch later.

Will try Saturday. Will wire firat*
Truly,

(Exhibit U>254 and 256)

(Q 108).
(S. 1812 - P. 5)
He will further testify that he received at Post
Office Box 574, Grand Central Annex, a card from the Postmaster at
Newark, New Jersey, advising him that a letter was being held for
him without postage on it.
> (S. 1672 ~ P. 21)
He sent the card back to the Postmaster
at Newark, with a three cent stamp. He will also testify that he
telephoned to LILLY STEIN at her apartaent, and advised her that he
was unable to get any money for her*
(S. 1640 ~ P. 21)
He will also testify from his notes
(Exhibit U1913)
that on the same date he received a letter from LILLY STEIH, address-
ed to himself as HAKRY SAWYER at Post Office Box 574, Grand Central
Annex, postmarked New York, July A, 1940 at 8:30 P.M. which read*-

S-O.S. Most see you. - w a n t s the ae

V

11*9-^) ....,..-,-.
. . . . (Q.104 and 105)..
Upon receipt of this coanmnieation he telephoned to her
at her apartment and then went to see her, arriving about 11:50 A.M.

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She told bin that she mas having considerable trouble about her
money sattars* He t r i e d to allay her/pl?Mpa by telling her that
she aXA probably not be "kicked out* of her residence, and that
soney wotild be back for her i n a week or two. She then handed
bin two letters from HEESRICH in Detroit*
One iras mailed July 2, and bears the date July 1,
1940. The other was mailed July 3, bat bor the date on the letter,
July 5, 1940. .
(Exhibit 1A8-O4, 15 and
16.)
(Q 122 - 130).
These letters read as followst

(S4 1754 - F. 4, 5, 6, 7, 8,
9, 10, 11, 12 md 13.)

_, t,jt, J^Jf 1*N _ 1! H

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July lst.4O .
is some interesting data on Deliveries made since September 1st
1939 including to end of May 194o.
Released from U.SJU Navy Curtiss P 40 3oo
Army Lockheed C.37 2oo
Supplied from Manufacturer Curtiss 75A Hank 4oo
" " Lockheed Hudson Bombers Hod*14 4oo
" " t o Canada and England NA Trainers
32o
w
" from May production 194 55

Total supplied to A l l i e s until end May 194e 217o.

Estimated supply from manufacturers during June
from a total American production of 8oo planes 5oo
special release from Army, o r i g i n a l l y destined for
France, but now being absorbed by England* Old Northrops

Total supply by June 3o 295o

The actual June delivery figures are not yet available, but on
June 16th, 14o planes, were lying in the warehouse*, waiting
for steamship f a c i l i t i e s .

Orders placed from the A l l i e s with American manufacturers and since

the French capitulation, taken over for delivery by England:
Lockheed P 3 8 . Pursuit Planes Boo
Lockheed bombers (improved Hudson bomber Mod.14. 7oo
Curtios-ffright P40 D. I5oo
Bell Airaeobra f i g h t e r s 2oo
Optional orders for Martin and Douglas bombers t o be.
soppUwtiitt&a 18 -^atns and h i i i U ' b J i & %
absorbed by"t!ie'
b y V VAJU'jp%r#tieBi'ia
A J U j p # ea.eg g |
for unforseen circumstances not take deHvery

Total un|ts on order not deJLiTered. by June. 30th*40. ,7450.

According to delivery chart as shown abore supplied
until end of June 40 2950
Grose total supplied
and ordered 104oo planes

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These figures seem to be correct, inasmuch as the chief of the

Allied Purchase commission stated recently that France and England
had sofar placed orders for about Iol50 planes.
Of the above 7450 planes at least 3600 will be equipped Kith the
Allison Uqi4t cooled engine, 14oo with Prattashithney and Curtiss~
Wright engines, the remainder 2450 engines are s t i l l pending de-
cision. Out of the total of 7450 planes, 4800 will be bombers*
for Production see Sheet2.
July l s t . 4 0 .
Production figures of American Aeroplane Industry 1939*
Total production of commercial planes in this country was 3715
viz. light planea ' 3221
3 to 5 seater- 465
6 to 2o Beaters 22
aulti-engined Io2
special built 5

t o t a l commercial 3715
total military craft produced in 1939 24oo

production for the entire American Aeroplane Industry 6115

production figures and Program for 1940*

In the commercial field, manufacturers expect a 3oo$ inccaase in their
business. Of the big plants, Lockheed i s very busy with large orders
for his new 14 passenger Loadstar. This firm has booked orders not on~
ly for American enterprise* bat <srs*^ ijgsttldMlMrieJui lines "as Wbll ma.
South African aad;Fr?ich:'C^imial'is^s^W^la<^-ooBsidiabis business
for
o this
hs type
typ plane,
p , t euperseding
p g in.
i. ,^sowi
, places
p Qeraan
Qe eq^pm0*!,.,
q^p0*,.,
Boeing and Curtiss Iright'are goli^ i a strong fOTStrat^pa^re "snips''
besides their other commercial types and the sport and private plane

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business has never before been so blessed witb orders as at present. The
reasons for the boom are very efficient service on part of the trans-
portation companies, loir transportation rates and for sportplanes i t i s
largely the concentrated effort of private flying clubs to train p i l o t s .
Actual and estimated production figures for 1940 are as follows:
Actually produced on military planes from January to 3oApril 12oo
M B n H * during May 55o
H n MM H June 800
Estimated production for the balance of the last 6 months in
this current year, per month an average of 2333 planes 14ooo

Total estimated production during 1940 for military craft I655o

Checking over these figures from an other point of view, the infor-
mation I have given you above appears to be correct, because the total
amount of unfilled war orders new er> th* books of seven, of the leading
manufacturers i s valued at 600 000 000 $ calculating that 15000 planes
of the I6550 to be built during this year are s t i l l to be produced, the
price per average warplane would be about 40 000 Dollars, ffcich sum
i s about the price the Allies are paying per ship* Furthermore this
production figure of about I6000 planes i s also confirmed through esti~
mates, made by such prominent people as secretary of war Johnson and
Rear Admiral Towers. This was published in a recent magazine*
see page 3
page 3*
July lst.40
Production figures and production program 194o continued*
As shown on the previous page, Allied unfilled orders are 745o
Unfilled orders from the U.SJU for own use a r e :
North-American PT14> Trainers }
22oo
jr-

. , . .. Pursuit 12^o HP Allison engini . , ".:'-* "$0'

Bell Aircraft P39 12oo HP 2oo
Grumman Aircraft Eog. Corp. XF5F-1 * . . . . .. . - -. 2oo
B B
" : XF5F1 Pratt& Whithney <2oo
Lockheed Aircraft P.38 Pursuit . 10
Douglas Aircraft 5.23 Bombers Wright-Cyclone 2oo
Boeing Aircraft B17. Bombera 15oo~17ooHP 22o
Martin bombers 167W 2oo
Consolidated Aircraft IB24 bombers 4 " eachl200 HP. loo
S Toatal Allied and American orders on hand and unfilled
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Additional American orders on a very big scale will be placed very

. shortly, ie# as soon as the experts have decided what planes are
best suitable for the defense of this country. Congress has allow-
ed the expense involved to build at least 5oooo planes, and has
appropriated big funds for the expansion of the various plants*
New orders will include; Brewster XF2A-1 fighters, Grumman XF4F-2 f
fighters, Douglas B18-A, DB7, and B8A bombers, Republic XP41 Pur<~
suit (fornerly Se^wsky). There will also be orders for VulteeXa 19
Attack, Vought>-6ikorski Scout bombers, Douglas XTBD-1 Torpedo bo*
bers, BT-1 Give Bombers etc.etc*
The present difficulty is in the bottleneck constituted by lack of
big engine manufacturing capacity. This is however being overcome
very fast* Allison in Indianapolis and Wright Whirlwind have prac-
tically finished their plant expansion and Pratt and Whitney are
working very fast at it* There is no doubt in ny Blind that inside
of 6 Months, the local Aeroplane Industry can turn out at least 5ooo
big planes per aonth* I do act consider it an exaggeration if Henry F
Ford states that he >alone can built looo planes per day, 6 months
after he receives definite orders and instructions what to build.
Fortunately the genius of the Industry refuses to built_ Aeroplanes
for any of the fighting nations, but for defense only-*" Nevertheless,
General Motors and Chrysler are very big concerns and should the
necessity arise :L can see looo planes per day by the end of 1941 if
not earlier* """
Until further your
Heinrieh

* . < - / . . . ' - : : . * > . . : - . ' * - < . * * "

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July 5th. 4 0 .
List of 29 different military planes now in production
delivery of which to the Allies has not been permitted.
Mechanical details kept secret on these planes.
Manufacturers name and location type*

Breweter Aeronautical Corporation Brewster XF2A-1 Fighter

Long Island City, N.T
Curtiss Aeroplane* Div, of Curtiss IP4o Pursuit
Curtis8 Wright Corporation XP42 Pursuit
Buffalo, N.T. XP37 Pursuit
" Scout Observation
" P*36 pursuit
Douglas Aircraft Comp. Inc. Douglas B*23 bomber
Santa Monica. Calif. ' " B18A bomber
" DB7 bomber
n
TBD.1 Torpedo-bomber
BT.l mve bosber
Gruaman Aircraft Engineering Corp* Grumman XF4F.2 Fighter
Eethpage, Long Island, H.T " F3F.1 Fighter
Bell Aircraft (These planes have liquid*-) Bell Aircobra P39.PursuiteInter
Buffalo, N.I* cooled engines,Allison 12 Airacuda P.4o xxxxxx ceptor
cylinders 12ooHP Maxim, Fighter
speed 4oo Biles per hour
cruisiag 325 ( in Bass production
try.cycle landing gear, wing-
load 28,21bs per eq foot
stalling speed below 7Q><~
les per hour*
Boeing Aircraft Conp. Boeing XB.15 Bomber

Consolidated Aircraft Corporatio*

Sari M e g o Calif # (f&s XB24 is wii
ass production. PBX Patrol bomber
Lockheed Aircraft Corporation Lockheed IP38 Pursuitlntereeptbr ''
Burbank. Calif*

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Republic Aviation Corporation

Fars&agdale LIsland. HT
(This was farwnlf 'XP43LYPttrsuii
Ryan Aeronautical Comp. Ryan 1051 Observation
San Diego. Calif.
Vought Sikorski, Division of XXXXIXX observation scout
United Aircraft Corporation Patrol bomber
Stratford* Conn. Scout bomber
X0S2U.1 TjtiUty plane
Coast Guard
Vultee Aircraft Division Vultee YA19 Attack plane
Doimey, Calif, n
Vanguard Pursuit

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July $th 1940.

The following 45 types of Military craft are now in use i n the U.S.A..
some of the* are s t i l l being manufactured others are being obsolete**
but for a l l of these types export permit for the Allies have been gran-
ted by the government.
Manufacturers name and location. Type of plane, Motors, characteristics

Beech Aircraft Corporation Beechcraft A.T.-185 All purpose.

Wichita. Kansas* PIU&W. Wasp 45oHP 23oo rpmf.takeoff.
Bell Aircraft B.Q.I Scout bomber
Buffalo. NY. Wright-Cyclone 755HP.21oo rpm. 3444 mtr
Bellanca Aircraft Corp. Bellanca Model 77-32oTorpedo-bomb.4eats
Hew castle. two Wright-Cyclone double row,l6ooHP each
Delaware* for take off.135oHP at I52o meters.
Bellanca, Model 28-iIo2eeat-fightbomber
Pratt&Whitney loooHP.27oorpBi. 2438 t r .
95o" 27oo 497 "
Brewster Aeronautical Corporation Model 138 Scout bomber 2 seater
Long Island City, N.I. Wright-Cyclone 75o HP.21oorp at4663 mtr
Boeing Aircraft Comp. Boeing B17B. bomber 7~9seater
Seattle 4ffright engines each 12oo HP.take off*
Consolidated Aircraft Corporation Military Flying boat 5~9seter
San Diego, Calif* P^&ST. Twin Wasp each 105oHP255o rpm
at 2377
Curtis8 Aeroplane Division Curtiss Hawk 75. single seater
Curtiss Wright Corporation 1 Wright Cyclone 84oHP.21oorpm at2651 mtr.
Buffalo, N.T. Curtiss Hawk 75A. single seater
iWright-Cyclone 9ooHP.22oorpm. at 5486 n t r .
Curtis 8 Se*guU 2Beatr cctrat
'1* WK* Waep 55oHP.21oor36i at 1524
CtarUss. Model 76B^ea^^At p
2 i^WH5yclaa 840HP. each at 31oo tr
Cortiss HeUMver '77*^se'air^iredttt boaber
lWright-Cyclpne,84oHP.21oorp. at 3*oo mt

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Curtiss-Wright ModelC21 single seat-

interceptor-fightwtr^ *
1 WRight-Cyclone 85oHP 21oorpay 1828 nrtr*
Curtisa-^right CW 2 3 . B*sic~Combat.
P. & W Wasp. 55oHP23ooRPM^ a t 1524 nrtr,
4ooHP*2ooo 323o
Curtiss-ffright Model CW.22 Falcon.2seater
8 types Wright-Shirhwind 42oHP.22oorpm* at 426 mtr
Douglas Aircraft Co. lac* Model 8A Attack bomber, 2 seater
Santa Monica* Calif* PrattSc Ihlthney lo5oHP* at 27oorpa#
looo " 235o
Fairchild Aircraft Division Fairchild M 62. Trainer, 2 seater
Fair child Engine & Airplane Corp* 175 HP*Sanger engine. 245o rpm.
Hagerstown* Wd.

continiiation of d e t a i l s for 45 types of military c r a f t . July 5th4o.

Manufacturers name and location Type of plans; Motors, c h a r a c t e r i s t i c s .
Gruanaan Aircraft Engineering Corp. Model G37, single Beater fighter
Betpage. LI H.T. Wright-Cyclone 75oHP# 21oorp. 4633mtre
Model G37, single seater fighter
P.&3T. twin Wasp 9ooHP27oorpm 5303 n t t .
also 8\^>plied vdth
Wright-Cyclone I000HP 25oorpa 4114 n .
Model 21B. 3-4aeater coastal patrol
with 2 P..aspjr each 400 HP. 1524 mt
Hall Aluminum Aircraft Corporation Model P.JL.3. 4-7 seater Patrol-Rescue
B r i s t o l . Pa* 2 Wright-Cyclone each 75oHP 1950 rpan*
at 975 t r .
Autogiro Corporation Model K.D.lA* 2seater Observation
Philadelphia.pa. Jacobs engine 225HP. at 2ooorpa
The Glenn Martin Corporation Model U 167IT. Martin Attack bomber
Baltimore, lid. 2P,&r twin wasp loSoHpeacli 27oorpa.

North African Aviation Inc.

Inglewood. Calif* > ^ at >347 attr.
Model NA 25* 3 Mat observation
WiU-Cycl,. 8$oHP23oorpm 32X

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7 models
Phillips Aviation
LoS Angeles Calif.
Republic Aviation Corporation
Farmingdale. L*I. N.Y.
(formerly
Ryan Aeronautical Co.
San Diego* Calif.
S t . LoTiis Aircraft Corp.Sub. of
S t . Louis Car Co.
St. Louie. MissoTiri.
sheet 3 .
continuation of details for 45 types of military craft*
Marmfactkrers moam and location.
Boeing Airplane Cospe
Wichita. Kansas*
Model NA 44* 2seater Attack dive-bomber
Wftv*Cycl.745HP42ioorpm. a t 2926 a i r .
Model HA 4o 5 Beater bomber ; '
2 WJR.-Cycldduble' row 135bHP.each
23oorpm* at 1524 mtr.
Model EGN14 Trainer, 2 eeater
Wright-Whirlwind 42oHP 22oorpm 426 mtr
Model HA 16-3 Trainer 2seater
P.&ST. 55HP*22oorpB. 1424 *r
Model NA. 35* primary Trainer 2 seater
15oHP.Menasco engine, aircooled, in**
verted type 4cyl.226orpm* at 914 m t r .
Model XPT1 2 seater Trainer
165HP Ranger Bogine 245o rpau in-
verted 6 cyl aircooled*
Model l o o , E . P . I , single seater Puraui
?.&. T*issrasp 95oHP. at 4358 rtr.
Model 2oo. E.P. 2 . 2seater Parsuit
same motor as E . P . I .
Model STM.2. Trainer 2 seater
Menasco 125 andpi75 rpa ) at 914 mtr.
Btnasco 150 HP.72260 n )
these are 4 cyl. aircooled) inverted*
Model PT 2seater priaiary Trainer
Wright Whirlwind 235HP. 2ooorpa*
also Wright Whirlwind 285HP* 2loo
continued on sheet 3*
July 5th I94o.
Type ^f i)la^^ Motors/Characteri8tieai>
jft$& g
146HP. ISlorpm, 225HP. 21oorpB*
Model 76D 3#-3 seater
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5 aodels
Vought Sikorski,
Div. of United Aircraft Corp*
Stratford* Conn*
Vultee Aircraft Division
Downey, Calif*
4ooHP*22orpja
Model 76c 32 seater Trainer '
Rright-Shirlwind 275HP* 19oo rpm 19oo
Wri^ht-Whirlwind42oHP* 22oo
" Mwipl^SBil 2seater li**y ~\ -v
JP^ila'WAap'jr* 32oHP. 2oo6rp ' "_"';,""-' "
Modelloo. XA21. 4seater attack bomber
2 P.&r. Twin wasp each 14oo HP. 28oo rpa
at 2438 rntr*
Model V 156. Dive bomber 2 seater
P& 75oHP. 255orpme at 2743
Vultee Attack bomber V12A 3 seater
either 1 Wr*-Cyl I600HP. 24oorpa A56 Ettr*
or 1 it 9oo I9oo 4267 w
Vultee Attack bomber Vll. 3 seater
1 IR.-Cjrl* 16ooHP. 24oorpa 456 mtr
Vultee Valiant 51. 2seat basic^coxbat
advance trainer
either P.& W. Wasp 3ooHP 2ooorpm. 3605 mtrfc
or " " '55oHP 22oo * 2438
Vultee Valiant 54 2seat basic Trainer
P.& . Wasp ir* 45oHP 23oorpm*
Vultee Pursuit-Vanguard 48. single seat
either Wr*~Cyl* 1 6 O O H P 24oorpm, 2865 mtr.
or p.&ffl12oorpn, 2865 mtr*

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He left her telling her that he would get in

touch with her if anything devalopeaV . - -.
1; "V
(S. 1754 - P. 3)
' H wIlT further testify ^ j / ^ ^
to Agent Ellsworth and himself Message #15* which, when
decoded and translated, reed as followst

July 5 12:30 240 Letters Message No. 15

Assistance will be
Mexico
of August* Lang should notdfy^BJUpin writing
the date of his arrival. Password^^reetings
L from-^Dr. Rantzau. Best wishes.11
(S. 1632 - P. 23)

July 6, He will testify further that he wrote out and mailed

1940* to HERMAN IANQ, addressed to 74-36 64th Place, Glendale,
Long Island, the following l e t t e r :
July 6, 1940
Dear Mr, Lang,
Please write me when and where I can meet you some
time this week.
Harry Sawyer
Box 574
Grand Central Annex
Hew York City

July 8, . H m i l testify .that ^ , ^

1940. as H&BRI SAHER, *t Post office Box 574, Grand Central' Anne
New Tork City, the foWaming l e t t e r from ifj'FE&&% whicii
had been forwarded from the Postmaster at Newark and which
was postmarked at Newark, KeW Jersey^ July 2, 1940 and which'

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also bore on the reverse side of the envelope the Newark postmark ofw
July 6, 1940*. ffei&Vletter reads A S follows***!.. / - .-'>':''!.?' >. , .

Queen Elizabeth has about ten thousand tona f oil and

benzine on board in barrels as well as fo*l for her own needs.
Reported* X learned today from reliable source she has recently
received from England two propellers, each weighing thirty-five
tons. She will get another thousand beds on board. According
to source, she will go to Australia to be used as a troop trans**
port. Appearance exactly a* reported* Armament nowhere in evi-
dence. According to source, she should sail within fourteen
days.

Belgian ship Ville de Arlon sailed with her usual load

of copper, molasses, machine parts, motors. She also has horses
on deck. Ville de Hasselt is likewise fully loaded and leaves
the harbor on WBdrtasday. Beth ^iips also hare airplane parts on
board packed in large boxes. Destination is Liverpool. English
ship Britannic sails this evening, carries besides many airplane
motors about a total of twelve heavy bombers on deck, like th
H e de Frnce. Dutch Ship Delftdyk has loaded heavily, carries
approximately fifteen fighting planes unpacked on deck. Belgian
ships Mercier and Jean Jadot still lie* here after they were half*-
loaded for France. They have hundreds of autos and trucks on
board as well as many provisions. Not loading at present* The
same is true of the Norwegian ship Berganger which is heavily
loaded and still lies here. She was intended for France*

Arrivals are the English ship Western Prince, appearance

as previous except for a new wire ring against* minesj further, the
English ship Kaituna with two cannon aft and mine ring; Botch ship
Volendam, hull painted black, upper structure and two smokestacks
brown, not armed, has mine ring. This ship was in convoy first
three days and traveled a far northern route, trip taking fourteen
days.
BOW

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SEBOLD will further testify from his notes

.' ' . . (Exhibit U6-5) .
that he went -to Columbus Circle, New York City, /aeid a t aBout i.:00 P.M* "
met PAUL FEHSE, which was according to the plans made at their previous
meeting. He asked Fehse why he had sent a letter without any stamp
on i t , and pointed out the danger of the letter being opened by the post
office. Fehse stated that he could not account for having nailed the
l e t t e r without a stamp* He suggested to Fehse that he send his messu-
ages daily by mail rather than send a long message like the one which he
had received, advising that he could not be on the air very long at one
time with a coded message for fear of being suspected by anyone l i s t e n -
ing in to the message. He also advised Fehse that he would rather send
short communications each day. Fehse said that he would try to mail
a message for transmittal each day.

He then handed FEHSE two photographic copies of the

micrphotographs which were of the six large photographs which had been
handed to him by Fehse on July i , 19<+0* The sdcrophotographs had been
turned over to him by Agent Ellsworth. Us lso handed Fhse the
original large photographs and Fehse handed them back, and asked him to
destroy them.
He then asked Fehse how he had made contact with the
Marine Division. Fehse stated that he. used to make trips on a ship
between England, Norway, and Germany* and that he made private observ-
ations of activities, ships and harbors in these countries. He stated
that upon his return each t r i p to Germany he reported his observations
to the authorities there. Finally he received a request to come to
Hamburg where he was interviewed at length about his family and his
connections* He stated that he has a wife and child living in Hamburg.
The authorities, particularly,-GERHOFF," tried to induce him to join up
with the Espionage Service but he declined to work for them a t f i r s t .
However, they eventually convinced him in some way, which he did not
disclose, that he should go to work for them and he was sent to the
headquarters in Hamburg where he was trained for four weeks in codes,
invisible inks, et cetera* He was then sent to the United States on
board the S,S. EXCAHBIGN. Htsaid that he Arrived.in February of 1940.

- ^itowpf his.- conversation i t appew^d/ibaif tie was^in ' '.: . ' f

charge of the operations of the M&RINE DIVISION i n the Ifaited States*

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FEHSE told hint that he used to send, his messages

<***_-:

Germany by cable, in code, but that the cable of fice would "junb" 1
numbers so that'the code'could not beVrjeid on."ihe;~dther,^ sidBf^^ilpSid "'""-^j 'A
said that while he was s t i l l in Germany he asked the authorities lif he J j
/ should use Phosphorous pencils in the United States for the purpose of
' setting ships on fire and he was told that such action was not necessary
yet and that he should not engage in such activities. He stated that he
had introduced ST.EGLER and STIGLER to the authorities on the other side.
He also said that i*s"uperior officer, GERHOF?, was a Marine AdffltraT
but that he i s now in charge of a division of the Secret Service* H
stated that when he left Germany he was giren the names and addresses of
four individuals whoa he should investigate here, and i f he felt that they
were reliable he was permitted to "draft1* them into the Service.
He said that the next time he net him, SEBC5LD, that
he would give him these names and addresses* He also said that he would
show hia his code at their next meeting. They arranged to meet at the
same time and place on Monday evening, July 15, 194-0.
(S* 1672 ~ P. 23)
SEBOLD will also testify that on the seme day he
received a letter addressed to himself as HARRY SAWYER at his Hempstead
address, which was postmarked New Tork, N. T., July 7, 194-0, which read as
followsi

July 7

I will be at the boat at 3 to see you if

possible. Try.
Ja, with care "

(Exhibit 1A3-258 and 259)

(Q112 and 113).
(S* 1812 ~ P . 6 ) .
He will further testify that during, that sane.:day,he
discussed with Agent Ellsworth the followJLne mst9M--kiS^Jc&'%Jiusf fj l i c i l w - '
piC'and turned over to Agenti
' ' Tfw trark&L^tt'^-StatVo^AMr^*^^ 1

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translated, reads as follows*

Fehee |( Division says Queen Elizabeth has about

10,000 tons of oil and benzine on board in barrels as
well as fuel for her own needs* Have learned ehe
has received tuo propellers froa England each -weigh-
ing 35 tons* She gets 1000 aore beds and goes to
Australia as trcop transport within 14 days. Ho
visible armaaent. Appearance exactlj as reported.

(S. 1632 - P* 33)

July 9, He received at Post Office Box 574* Grs&d Central

1940. Annex a letter from LILLY STEIN which read as follows:~

7.8.40)
Harryl Please something ast be
done, otherwise 110*11 starve this week.
Hope with you everything is a l l right.
Please call me. - - *-
As ever

(Exhibit 1A19-62 and 63)

(Q1O6-1O7).
After receiving this l e t t e r he telephoned her at her
apartment and asked her whether $5.00
would, and reqiiested hiai

that be went to her apartment arriving "about 12;30 P.M., and stayett about
ten minutes during which time he barided her $500 as a loan.

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She gave him the usual hard luck story and said that she did not know
how ehe;Oould get out of her troubles and stated that she had t h i r t y
cents left. . '.'''
left f r
- . yvsf?k--V ., Sh *1<*9 stated ttuit^J^HMphad ?
west coaVtl t l & t ^ i ^ that a German
by the name oiflBH^iiho vac supposed to arrive on the Japanese Liner
had been caugn^uTpanansi* She also said that the aan that she had
bees telling hia about -who claimed to be a "G man" by the name oJ
id a telephone number ** GAnal 6-2062,

She requested to see him, SEBQLD, again on Saturday

July 13, 1940 a t 2:00 P.

(S. 1754 - P. 23)

SEBOLD trill further testify that on July 9, 1940,

in order to confirm the fact that he would meet DUQUESNE at the
requested place he telephoned to his office and not finding him in
left a message with the telephone operator to the effect that "CHARLEY
the Printer" would like to see Duquesne at 2:00 P#M on Wednesday,

On the saaie day he received a letter addressed to

himself as HABBI SAWIER at Box 574> Grand Central Annex, postmarked
Brooklyn, N#T., Huly 9, 1940, 1:00 A..M. which contained a blank slip
of paper (white paper) covering note on a slip of white paper the same
size and reading as follows t**

July 8th, 1940

Dear Mr. Sawyer,

please meet me after 7 PM* on Wednesday the

10th or Thursday the 11th at my house*

yours,

(Exhibit 1A1O13) . -':."?

(QL31 and 132) f
(S. 1930 - P. 12) ,
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He will also testify that with the assistance of

Agent Ellsworth he -wrote out and encoded a message which
they turned over to AgentMHVfor transmission to

Fehse says Belgian snip Ville de Arloa sailed with

load of copper, aolasses, machine parts, motors,
horses. Ville de Hasselt sailed Wednesday fully
loaded.. Both ships have airplane parts on board in
boxes. Destination is Liverpool. English ship
Brittannic sailed Tuesday. Has airplane motors and
12 heavy bombers on deck - as on lie de
France. Dutch ship Delftdyk loaded heavily *-
15 fighting planes on her deck. Greetings*

1632 - P 34)*

July 10, SEBOLD will testify from his notes

1940.
(Exhibit U 3 - 18)
that at about 2r00 P#M. he met" FREDERICK DUQPESNE at the
New Jersey ferry in New York City, which ferry on their
trip, was held up on account of trouble for about twenty
minutes. He read to Duquesne a part of the message which
concerned him that was received from Germany, as follows:*

Sending with S 250 dollars for Dunn.

All should report military and-technical
developments and deliveries to England*
Dunn should not use wax system*

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DUQUESME made no remark concerning this message,

the fact that he should not use wax systeffl, .except to state that h* had
already sent several eonmunications to the other side, eieploying that
system. .He said perhaps t h e . B r i t i s h had gotten wise to i t * , ;
I^iiesM then handed him the June 1940 i s s u e
the CANADIAN AVIATION MAGAZIHE
(Exhibit U3-292
Q1O9)
and the following 0. S* Patentst
#2 186 026 Aircraft armament*
#2 185 430 High speed displacement type hall
#2 185 431 High speed displacement type hull
#2 183 674 Internal combustion engine using
hydrogen as fuel.

(Exhibit 1A3-308 and 309).

BUQUESNE also handed him the current sailing schedule

of the American Export Lines, Inc
(Exhibit U3-31O).
He desired that- the above material be transmitted to
Germany* BUQUESNE also handed to him three sheets of plain white onion
skin paper and instructed him to submerge these sheets in water and look
for invisible writing which would come up*
(Exhibit 1A3-274
QU6)*
Buquesne stated, that he, SEEQLD, should report to him at the ^ x ^ aeetlnig
what was on'the sheeW-**;,,/. ..; y>iy, . .... ^ . ; . . . ; ' ; v ^ r ^ : ^ ^ ' ~ i ^
/
. / '" *S^
S^bbldwiU
wiU Ratify
Ratify trt
trt he
he ^a^di giget EU^rtft:;^.
^ f t ; ^ . . , V ",
subsequently submerged these sneftts in water, and foun^ "the
h following
writings-

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1. W. SEABOLD, New lork, U.S.A.

2. In North America there are no Lions.

3. Evelyn is from Texas. ,., _"".-.., . JV... '. V " '";

DUQPESHE stated that in the future he might commun-
icate with him, SH3OLD, by using this invisible writing. Duquesne also
gave him a handwritten letter on a plain white piece of paper, which
appeared to be the same handwriting used on the postcard which was
received from Duquesne. Duquesne said that the information in this note
came from a German out of England who had sold the information to the
United States. He desiredtiiatthis information be sent to Germany, and
also that he, SEBOID, shouldmake a German translation thereof for him.

(Exhibit 1&3-262).

This note read as follows :-

n
The Channel drive m i l attcspt a cost-al attack on
Britain and should take place in the early dawn or under
cover of heavy fogtoymeans of plane'carriers displacing
a hundred or more see. surface tanks, and possibly, armor
plated sea scouts, decked with detachable hatches of
corrugated steel plate having carrier decks for tanks and
quarters for 500 men each. The tanks are projected from
the carriers by skid ways supplrted by pontoons floats etc.
The tanks being the advance attacking units followed by
beaching the scows with the armed force.

If we can decipher the data correctly it

seems that numbers of these units are supposed to be on
ports of the Irish Free State or are to be sent there.
H. destroyed the former data.
n

SEBOLD w i l l t e s t i f y that he could not understand why

Duquesne should want t h i s material.written out for him in German nor what **
use he <xuld make of i t in the.German language. . .'. ;v. ,

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DUQUESNE told him that he had.been to Plattsburg

and had observed the American Blitzkrieg nanouevetarei^that ha near**:' r '
ly "laughed himself to death" over the methods^ap3^e^ - Forv ai^ola,
he said' IVinCs very funny' to see an/.Id .nictaMfaf&I^B^ttM-'aide -"of.-:'
which w* printed, "flats is 5 a GerSa*' tank* i s ^ M P m ' a r i * tiie .Efforts
of the trainees in attacking the tank* . . ' *
BUQUESNE then asked him a l o t of questions about
the radio, particularly, as to how much money had been spent in estab-
lishing i t . He told Duquesne that the radio m i a l l right there; that
i t was on the property of Ms friend, and that he had eiaply to use i t ,
and that he would judge that his friend's equipment cost approximately
one thousand dollars* Duquesne then asked how he, Duquesne, i s referred
to in radio messages from Germany. He told him that they call him
"Dunn". Duquesne said that that was right. He then asked Duquesne why
he was asking a l l of these funny questions, and Duquesne said, "Oh, I
have known a lot of clever men in my life** He had a funny smile on his
face when he made this statement*
DUQUESFE asked him if he knew anything about the
S.S. ALGONQUIN, which, i t will be recalled, burned at the dock. He told
him that he recalled hearing about i t , and Duquesne simply said that the
next tine he act him he would show him a l i t t l e container about an inch
long, which could be dropped and will set fire to a ship orf a plant. He
asked Duquesne what he knew about the bombing at the'War Id s Fair, and
Duquesne said that he had been questioned about i t for two days after
the bombing; that he knew nothing but in his opinion i t was probably
perpetrated by some Frenchman out of anger for the Banner in which the
English are now treating the French and their neighbor.
He then pointed out to Duquesne the dangers of
using his Hemp stead address for the transndssion of materials to be sent
to Geraany and for l e t t e r s and telegrams, and told Duquesne to send a l l
materials, in the future, to Post Office Box 574, Grand Central Annex. ....
He also asked Duquesne if he ever knew a man by the
name of HITTER. Duquesne said that he did} that he used to call Bitter
"FATTI** ,(Sebold has identified NICHOLAS-BITTEa-as being.theJBEU EEHKEN '
whoa he-net i n Germany and -who gaye"h^,I^^tii>ad^bKS)4^^^^^theh /'*
showed ;hii a photostatic copy of an artte^-SB'irrf^Lj^^
MiOAZifli-TihicbL a r t i c l e contained h i s / Duqtie8i*s, picture, and asked the 1
question, "Jlhat has happened to the systeri^^lVinper-iia^ttBtlc Frii* ... '.
Duquesne, the an who hated England so mucfi^iad* was t a i s e r -BUi'tjfSpet""'::
and the apple of the eye of Kaiser Frana Josef of Austria? Is he" dead or
alive?" '

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puquesne then dictated to him the following inform-

ation which he requested to be transmitted to Germargryv':;*<* - .".
The Cambria and Sinieia (?) -brought over. ) \^-

are staying as guests idth Morgans*

Confidential report to Hhite Souse
America will be able to produce 12,000
planes a Tear* Two 1A inch guas being
removed from Sandy Hook to San Francisco
and from there to Philippine islands."

(S. 1812 P 10 and

SEBGLD will further testify that upon leaving

Duquesne and returning to his home in Hempstead, Long Island, he found
a letter awaiting hix, hioh was postmarked at Ne* York, NT, July,
date not readable, and which was addressed to himself as BLBSI SAWYSL.
The letter read as follows: >^
n Try to make it Wednesday sane time,
at boat.

(Exhibit U>264 "* 266)

($L10 and 1 U )
(5. 1812 ~ P. 6)
He will further testify from his notes
(Exhibit 1A13-22)
that EVERTTT ROEDER, in his automobile, picked him up at Hepstead, L.I.
at the usual meeting place near Jackson Avenue and Washington Street,

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ROEDER asked whether heir as c e r t a i n that the $500

was cooing for his*- He tol<i hip that ha was, providing hid eontac**-
t
on the MftjmATTAS wwre able to make contact a t Lisbon. '. ---
Roeder then handed torn a grevp of paper* entitled,
"Sperry Gyroscope Co*, I*e, f Brooklya,NI St*ato^,PrUfl T t
ions"* These Instractioas relate t o considerable technical information
of the Sperry plant, including sand casting and die easting alloys,
tool dimensions, dimensional tolerances, physical and mechanical
properties, wood screws, purchasing information, etc* Boeder then asked
him to sake mlcrophotographs of this material and transmit them to
Gerany#

Roeder a l s o handed him an a r t i c l e , which i s a reprint

from ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING, published monthly by the American I n s t i t u t e
of Electrical Engineers, June 1937, which was entitled, "Technical plans
of small gyroscope r o l l e r s , by 0*S* Esval, Associate A.I.E.E. and CA.
Frisehe, Member, American Pays. Society,
Roeder requested that this document be returned t o
hi** I t will be noted that in the uggerrleh^hand corner of the f i r s t
page i s written in pencil the name WKKKKtKEKKB At the ti&e of
receiving this document, he, SEKSEB^<roteinjs0wn handwriting in the
upper l e f t hand corner of the document, "BeacriLebung" and in the lower
left hand corner the word, "return".
Boeder also handed him the Sperry Bulletin for May 9,
1940, on the first page of which begins an article presenting parts of a
speech made by E P BARRY., who has been i n Ottawa, cooperating with the
RA*F* i n the Empire Training Scheme*

Boeder also handed him a copy of the "New York National

Guardsman" magasine for October 1938 on page 2 of which there begins an
article including diagrams of the parts on the 6*r*ndd r i f l e . Roeder
requested that a l l of these items be transmitted, in whatever way he saw
proper, to Germany.
(Exhibits U13-91, 94, 95,
96, 97, 98 and 106.)
:
*%
Roeder then dictated to hi* the following information
to be transmitted to Germany:** ' >, -* :'/*
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'The'- progrirW^eb|dLght* -has WV"- , ' ''?&'?

changed to 20 for the month of October,
140 for lfewi&fv|6O; r^ffBeeeafeer, . - \: %
500 for January, ani 00 each month
thereafter. The bombsight is being
redesigned."
(S. 2138 ~ P. 6)

SEBOLD Tdll further testify that with Agent Ellsworth

he wrote up and encoded the following message for trans-
mission to Germany x<->
n
July 10 4:00 560 Letters Msg.No. 24
Fehse says Belgian ships Mercier and Jean Jadot
lie here half loaded for Prance. Have hundreds
of autos and trucks, many provisions on board*
Not loading at this time* Norwegian ship Ber~
ganger hearily loaded* Wa for France. Still
lies here. Arrivals are English ship Western
Prince-appearance as before, except wire ring
against mines is new. English ship Katuna, has
two cannon aft and sine ring* Dutch ship Vollen-
dam, hull painted black, upper structure and
smokestacks brown, not armed, has mine ring*
Was in convoy three days. Sailed for northern
route* Trip time 14 days. A H Batch ships
described in last writing have sailed for England
fully loaded.
(S. 1632 P. 37).
xhat AgentJIflBturned, over to Agent EUsnorth
and himself Message & 6 , which he stated was received
from Station JUE and which when decoded and translate*" ^'
read as fellowsV . , ' , "\ . :\"--'
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*??
3453O 180 letters Ksg* > 16
many jp.li.gpa aotara made i n series i a Iftdiaaap
o l i s htvre been delivered up t o now and when. Her
many Allison motors were manufactured in. General
Hotors works before Autumn 1939. n

(S. 1632 ~ P . 3 6 ) .

SEBOLD w i l l further t e s t i f y from h i s note*

(U13 - 22)
that RQEDER> driving his automobile^ met him in
Knpstead, near his how* at about 8? 00 P#M

n
^ ? * SEBOLD will further testify that Agent|
over to Agent Ellsworth and himself Message
received from Germany, which, when decoded and translated
reads as follows t
H

July 11 UJ55 260 Letters Msg. Mo. 17

Send via Manhattan t < ^ B ^ L i s b o D f or forwarding
Air Army and Navy Journal Number KAB one five
forty* Army and Navy Register Number NAB one fire
forty* Wall Street Journal Number KAK one seven
forty and current i s s u e s . Many greetings* n

... .lv%..;.:_ ... , r^:P,4^-^.T.^;Ph^'^\ *

He will testify from his notes ^ ^

(Exhibit 1A1O4)
that at about 7:25 P.M. he went to the home of HEKlttN
LANG located at 74-36 64th Place, Glendale, Long Island,
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where he met HERMAN LANGJ that he spent about one hour i n

ation with him. Herman Lang met him. at the door, and said that he
eould not talk at that time because his cousin and Ma cousin'fs
child were there.^ He asked him to wait until the cousin l e f t .
He waited about twenty minutes when the cousin l e f t . He then handed
to Lng the message which he had received from Germany by radio,
Message #15, which was written in the German language. He then wrote
.-./ 7 down for Lang the address ^ o H H H ^ 0 Mexico, and the password
12't- and handed the same to LANG r e t a i n i ^ ^ ^ ^ o r i g i n a l message* Lang
said that he nould communicate with^mj^soine time in August.
He then asked LANG i f his cousin who had just left
knew about his transaction of the bomb sight. Lang said, "No", that
he was the only man who knows about the "great American secret".
He then asked Lang what the bomb sight looked like, and he said that
i t was a contraption made up of mirrors* He then asked him i f i t was
operated from a prone or sitting position. Lang said that i t was in
the cockpit and that the pilot had to lean over slightly to operate
it K then said that the bosb sight i s being improved and that i t
i s being made smaller and simpler. Then he asked Lang if he knew
all about the new one, and he said "Yes, of course "j that he i s
inspecting the new bomb sights, and knows everything by heart.
s then asked him i f he knew anyone in Mexico, or,
and LANG said that he did not; that he was not
acquainted with anyone in the business (espionage) in America; that
he only dealt with men in Germany, and that he felt that he should have
stayed in Germany the last time he was there. However, he said that he
had been tied up for some vtock market transactions and that he did not
want to lose his money, which caused him to return* Lang expressed
considerable doubt as to whether he would be able to leave the United
States* He stated that where he i s working on such confidential work
i t would probably arouse suspicion i f he endeavored to leave the
country, and he would probably have difficulty in getting a passport;
that, however, he had a vacation coming in August and might then be
able to make a trip to Mexico under the guise of making a v i s i t there*
He could not make up his mind whether he would go to Germany -or noj>,
and requested him, SEBOLD, to write to Germany and aak them for ffsur*.
ance that las would be reimbursed in the amount of three thousand do]
either in American money or German mousy for his stock ibsiei ; '_,
so," to deposit the money to his credit in the WES8MEB. BASK and also '* ;
to give him assurance that a l l of his, and his1 wifeta, expenses would
be paid from the date of leaving Newjfork until their arrival in
Germany "and" also he requested to know whether he could take with him
two large boxes of personal belongings.

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He suggested to LANG that he should write to
Mexico about t h i s l a t t e r at the proper time.
also expressed considerable doubt as %o what *a8
going to happen when/the war iras over, that:%a,fW&%^'
the conditions* ift EuropitTiiould be at that'titte Iwr>
whether or not there would be a labor shortage in,Germany
itoich -would possibly c*ae him to lose put in the^Jlong
run. In this connect!on, he stated that he was getting
$75 a week then and he hated to give up that kind of a
job. Lang stated that he did not own a car but that he
was thinking ofbuying one He then advised Lang that
he would send a radio message for him and let hia know
as to what the reply was. Lang stated that he would
keep him closely advised as to his intentions with
respect to leaving the country and would also keep him
advised as to any l e t t e r s sent and received by him with
respect to this matter.

(S. 1912 - P. 13)

July 12, He will testify that with Agent Ellsworth he worked
570 1940. out sai^encoded message #26. which was turned over to
Agent H i p p e r transmission to Station ACR. This message,
when translated, read as follows:-
n
No. 25.
Lang desires assurance that you will reimburse him three
thousand dollar stock losses in marks or dollars. Deposit
in Dresdener Bank to his credit. Also travel expenses
from here to Germany. He will w r i t e ^ m P f i n August.
M
Greetings.

July 13, SEBOLD will testify from his notes (Exhibit 1A19-13)
1940. that at about 1:45 P.M. he went to the apartment of LILLY
Stein, 127 East 54th Street^JewYork City. She said she
had a telephone call - f r o m f l H H P i n Washington, D.C. who
said he might come to see h e r t h a t weekend. She said she
saw ELSE the day before and Else did not know anyone in
Mexico or anything about leaving through Mexico. She asked
him to meet her on Saturday nbraings at eleven o'clock there
;
after. . / - " ' "--; / V . - * > - _ <>'.-: -

July 15, He w i l l t e s t i f y from his notes '"'.

1940.
(Exhibit U6-5)
that he went to Columbus Circle, New York City, about 4:00
P.M. where he met PAUL F&SE: that during the ensuing
conversation Fehse asked i f there was any news: that he told
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him that there wae not. FEHSE thea asked i f he had received h i s letter
and he told him that he had not. F e ^ e ^d that he b4^ sert a letter ; p
to Box 86$, Grand Cestrai Annex. Wt&dri&B^'- A - - - ^ * - ^ - *--
his old Iws but ttptf t$ mew a w i b s ^ ^ - i T O ^ - f i t ^
written down the number "574* i n Sew loik bttt tad not bMn a b VW^^^^
decipher i t and had used the old box number. He stated that .
immediately type up another l e t t e r containing the same information
that he had sent but plus information which he had developed since then
and would send this on to him, Sebold. He told Fehse that he then had
a l o t of material which he had to send over, and asked him i f the SS.
MANHATTAN would make another trip to Portugal. Fehse said that he did
not know and that he had another connection, naaely, a Chief Steward on1
an export l i n e r by the name of SOU). He told Fehse that he had heard of
Dold's name and that when SIEGLER and STIGLER tried t o contact him he
would not cooperate with them. Fehse said that this was not t h e casej
that he personally telephoned Bold at his hotel room on the same day as
Siegler t r i e d t o contact him but l a t e at n i g i t , and that Deid. would not
come down stairs because he had a girl i n his room. He then made a date
witbBOLB to meet him at l i t 00 A.M., and i n case he could not come at
that tisis, to be at Columbus Circle at 4s00 P.M. but that "UCltr did not
show up. FEHSE said that^DOLD-is "too stuck up to meet anyone on a park
bench*** that he has people come to his hotel,^the HOTEL GOVERNOR CLINTON,
and that he has a young man who chauffeurs him around in his automobile.
He stated, however, that he i s sure that I f he, SEBQLD, cannot get hie
materials across on the MANHATTAN that COLD w i l l take them over for him*

FEHSE said that he believed he would have an opporW

tunity to get hold of some TJ.s, battleship plans, and asked him to loam
him his Leica camera to take some miniature pictures of these plans*
He told Fehse that that would not be so simple; that i t would probably
take him about five months t o take those pictures, and gave him the
impression that i t i s a difficult task to photograph plans. He suggested
that Fehse hand his the plans, and l e t him do the photographing* Fehse
then said that he was just working on this matter, and that he knew a
man who knows an I t a l i a n working as a draftsman in a shipyard, and that
this Italian had himself transferred to Nw York to a place where marine
plans are kept. He stated that he i s trying to develop this Italian
contact in order to get hold of confidential plans.

'himself, Fehse and the Italian, and that ttey ro

out their plans together in order to photoerlph
indicated thai thU Italian was * iiew areerait to1 & g T T !..
said that he would be unable to meet himj Sebold, the. next. Monday because
he was going to work on the S.S AMERICA,: which was sailing ut-of_
YSeyra; t h a t , however, he would meet him upon the arrival of the

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SSBQfcD will furtbir testify that he worked out .

Agent Ellsworth the followias^jgo messages, which they e-
coded and turned over to Agent J B J H for transaission to Germany.
These messages, when translated, read as follows:

15 6:00 220 Letters Meg. No, 26

Dunn says two fourteen inch
Sandy Hook to San Francisco
islands* Ships Cambria and
ren and unlisted passengers
-Rothschilds are guests here
guns being moved from
then to Phillipine
Seinilia brought child-
of British mission.
of-Morgans-.
H

July 15 6$00 540 Letters Msge Ho. 27

Dunn says following letter sold to USA by a German
The channel drive will attespt coastal attack on
Britain in early dawn or heavy fog by mean* of plane
carriers displacing hundred or Bore sea surface
tanks and armor-plated sea scows decked with de*
tachable hatches of corrugated steel plate, having
decks for tanks and five hundred sen each. Tanks
projected from carriers by skidways supported by
pontoons, etc. Tanks are advance attacking units .
followed by beaching scows -with armed force.
that BBrobers of units are in Ports of Ireland or
will be sent there* H destroyed former data*

''A -

July He i d l l further testify that 1 ^ %ith;the assistance ,

1940, of Agent Ellsworth, worked out alcoded ti^^^lowiJBg ?,**;'."'' "
message, which they turned over to A g e n t | m ^ f 6 r trans**
mission to Germany, which when translated,.read as followsi

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Stein'*.!' '*-,* go to Califarai*v* H*s B %

. . . #^$t
cannot
are yon going to I t a w her hare long enough so t!
she should sign another years lease for apartment?

That on the. same day Agen^mpburaed orer to them

a message, i&ich he stated he received fron Station AOR>
and Tihioh, when decoded and translated, read as follows:-
n
July 16 14*40 120 letters Msg* No. 08
Regarding channel drive, your message very jambled*
pleas* repeat in German, Where did Dunn get this
report?

(S.f<2010 P. 9 and 10.)

July 1 He nill further testify that he tried to reach

1940. DUQUESHE at his office, by telephone, and being unable to
do SO) he left a message irith the telephone cleric or girl
answering the telephone, requesting that he, Duquesne,
jseet him the next day at two * clock #
2152 3)
He urill further testify that on the same day he
received a l e t t e r addressed t o himself, HARRY SAWYER, at
Post Office Eox 574, Grsad
whichborethereturr) address, ////^KttttKKttm
m

PEHSE and when translated, read as fbll<nrss

(Exhibit U6~8 and 9 ) .

(Q151 and 152.)

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PEDOES TEN FEET LONO, TJBSLYJ5 BJCH DIAMETER, CUB

THREE INCH CANNON OK STERN, FIVE MAN CREW. EIGHT
MILES ON BATTERIES IN CASE OSF EMERGENCY. FORTY OH
HAND. OVER ONE HUNDRED OF THEM ORDERED. WILL NOT
BE SHOWN OPENLY. REGARDIliG TORPEDO BOATS FIFTY NBT
ONES BOUT WITH EIGHTEEN INCH TORPEDO TUBE DE5TEAB
OF THE TWENTY INCH WHICH IS USUAL SIZE ONLY IN AMERICA.
REGARDING ARMORED TOWER ON NEW THIRTY SIX THOUSAND
TON BATTLESHIPS, THREE INCH ARMORED TOWER SUBSTRUC*
TURE OR PEDESTAL, TWO INCHES OF THE TRUE COVERING IS
WELDED NOT RIVETED. REGARDING ATHPLAHE CARRIERS
FROM KEEL DP SHIP SKIN IS TIK) INCHES THICK TO WATER
LINE, ONE INCH THICK WITH TEN INCH FIANGE. SKELETON
NOT YET FAR ENOUGH ALONG FOR FURTHER INFORMATION VIA
FISI FROM HAJHW

He will fiirther testify that on the sane day he received

a letter from LILLT STEIN, addressed to himself as HARRY SAWYER, P.O. Box
574> Grand Central Annex, New York, -which read as follows ^

7/15, 1940
Dear Harry
news for you
I an completely flatbnsted
Please cone the quickest possibleIX

VSS-'
He will also testify that with the aid of Special Agent

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Ellsworth they wrote up and encoded and turned over to Agent

for transmission to Germany, the following message, #17-4** '"''"
; * ' " ' ' - , '"- ' : -

July 17 4:00 620 Letters Usg. Ho. 17 (A)

Repeating - The attack on England over the Channel
will be attempted by means of a coastal attack at
dawn or in heavy fog with help of airplane car-
riers which displace a hundred or more sea sur-
face tanks ~ also sea worthy armored scows which
are equipped with detachable steel hatches and
decks for tanks and quarters for 500 men each.
The tanks are projected from the carrier by skid
ways supported by pontoons, etc. The tanks are
the advance attacking units followed by the armed
troops on the scows* It appears that these units
have been sent to ports in Ireland or will be seat
there. K# destroyed earlier reports. End.

^ * 2010 - P 13).

He w i l l also testify from his notes

(Exhibit 1A1X22)
that at about eight o'clock (6:00 P*M.) ROEDER, in his automobile,
met him in Heapstead, Long Island, at the usual meeting place at the
intersection of Washington Street and Jackson Avenue. He climed into
Reader's car and was driven away; that during the ensuing conversation
Roeder again asked him i f he was sure that money was coming for him.
He told him that he had not heard otherwise. He then asked Roeder i f
i t was possible to get some more of the bullets similar to those which
he had given him at a previous meeting* Roeder said that he could get
as many of the bullets as were desired as they were lying around in
the Sperry plant where amone would miss them* He said that SPERRI
expected to expand and to move their factory to Connecticut; that i t .&
would take a t least, eigni months until the aew |>l*at w^^finiM|Liiv - - ;<j
Re stated that hs e#uld aot go on his racaUon to Califoraia i ai fie had
planned, but that he eaqpected to go to New l& '
engineers to work on confidential matters and that lift ';^ght b6/fbie to
get some information from them. He then handed him, SBBGLD, a black
leather brief case* which was^the^same brief- case that Jhe_Jiad given
him on their f i r s t meeting and which, at that time, contained documents.

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v. The brief 0*s> oa this occasion, also con'

the

U Booklet entiUed, The JUr Corps Technical School,

Target Pistol Shooting, Department of Armament",
dated My 10, 1937, and marked "Restricted"*
ROEDER requested that this item be returned to
him as he had "borrowed" it but stated that the
other items might be kept* They were:**
2. Sperry Bulletin, dated June 10, 1940.
3. Western Electric Radio Receiver #14B,
Instructions.
4* Reprint from the JO0RNA.L OF THE AERONAUTICAL
SCIENCES, dated March 1940. The reprint is
entitled, "Flightray, a Multiple Instrument
Indicator", by W,R. BASSETT !and JOSEPH LIMAN,
Sperry Gyroscope Conqpanyv ,
5. Blueprint entitled, "Aviation Radio Equipment",
Bell Telephone Laboratories, inc, New Tork*
X X * 675256, printed March 5, 1940b
6. Blueprint entitled "Sadio Transmitter Schematic",
Bell Telephone Laboratories, Inc., E.S.X.X*
614526, printed in New York, December 5, 1938*
(Exhibits y>
92, 93, 96, 107 and
108.)
He then asked BOEDER what he knew about theJLLISON
MOTCRS and Roeder said that he had heard that they are not run very
good; that they had a lot of trouble with the Motor; that as far as he
knew the production had not beea,ocre than oaetousdredj r o t o r e . fle *'*'
suggested that i f he, SEBQED, wanted accorate information he should ge
to,Tjadiaoapoli ._ _ -.. - ..,-/.'- ,.\ -:'.'" \':--JUr. ..

(S 2138 * P 8)

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July IS, SEBOLD will testify that he received a letter

;'.;' \>\t>'tm * 0*1$*;, t. v ^ ^ ^ ; . ^ ; ^ ^ ^

This l e t t e r contained a one page typewritten
conmsunication i n German, which, when translated,
read as follows :-
(S. 1987 - P. 2)
(Sxhltdt U6-10 and 11)
(Q 152 and 153)

JULT HIKTH. SINCE U S T REPCBT WU/mm SHIPS HAVE

LEFT: DUTCH SHIPS DELFTTJXK, VQLENDAM, TAWALU
NORWEGIAN SHIPS HSRQANGER, HOERDA. HONE OF THEM
ARMED. STILL BETJIG LOADED AS MBSTIOHED IH IAST
REPOKf BTJf REflDY TO SAIL I S FE DAIS TO SHOLAHD, IH
MOST CASES LIVERPOOL* ENGLISH, SHIPS WESTERH PRINCE,
KAITTJMA, ALL ARMED AND EQD1FPED WITH AWTI^MINE RINGS.
ARRIVED IN THE LAST FEW M I S ENGLISH SHIPS SCTTHIA,
SAMARIA, CRISPIN, POST HUNTER* APPEARANCE AS REPORTED,
AISO AJm>MINE RINGS, TXESTIHGUISHED BI YELLOW C3ROSS
UPBBR PART OF HTJLL+ ALSO ARRIVED ARE DUTCH SHIP
APPAREffTLT THE WESTERNLANB, EOTA CEDE, BKLGIAN SHIP
7ILLS DE ASTERS. THE OTHER TWO BELGIAN SHIPS,
MERCIER AND JEAN JADOT, NOW LOADIHQ* CARGO IS FOR
MOST PART ADDRESSED TO FRANCE AND BELGTOM BUT I S
ROUTED TO ENGLAND. I N PROCESS OF LOADING FCB
ENGLAND, NORWEGIAN SHIPS KARGA* HEIKA, BEBEAT, TUNGSNA,
EXCEBT FOR THE ENGLISH SHIPS, NONE IS ARMED* SOUS HAVE
ANTI4CENE RINGS. SHIPS WiLTCH ARRIVED OVER THE WEEKEND
HERE WERE IN CONVOT FOR THREE DAIS OUT OF ENGLAND.
THE CARGO OF EACH SHIP CONSISTS OF MITCH STEEL, MUCH
COPPER, MANY AIRPLANES AND PARTS, AUTOMOETLES AND PARTS,

MAN! BOXES .OF

AS EEPORTED, APPARENTLY 03 JlNTl^A
TACKED IN LARGE BOIES. TH& STmK SHIPP PAHAMAKEA

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^ ^ ^
BAB A- FIRJB -HI-'A HOLD BJEWjIp****"
LErVVIHQ. IASAC2lAPfl JUIVT FIFT1ENTS* ENGLISH SHIP '
SAMARIA LEFT THE HARBOR OH JOLT ffilBTEESTH* SCTTHU
ON JTJLT SIXTEENTH* DUTCH SHIP TIP IIESTEEHIAHD, kFTSL
HSIHG HERE A FBf M I S , LEFT PCJR CANADA IN ORDER TO TAKE
ON CARGO THERE. ALL OF THE SMALL SEEPS MAKES IN THE
LAST REPORT HAVE ALSO LEFT. AT THE MOMENT ONLY THREE
MIDDLE-SIZED ENGLISH SHIPS ABE HERE FOR LOADING, BELGIAN
SHIP VTLLS DE MOftS Am) VILLE DE LTEGE ARRIVED HERE AND
ARE mrm LOADED DAT AKD KIGBT. THEI ARE SUPPOSED TO
LEAVE AOAUr UT THE NEXT FBHf DATS FOR LIVERPOOL, CARGO
CONSISTS OF IRON, STEEL, COPPER, GRAINS, MACHINE PARTS,
AIRPLABE PARTS, AND PROVISIONS. SWEDISH SHIP ATLAND I S
LOADING STJSPICIOUSLT. VARIOUS GREET SHIPS AS WELL AS
NORWEGIAN SHIPS WHICH PREVIOUSLT SAILED TO FRANCE L I E
INACTIVE HERE AT THE MOMENT* PRORABLI, HOWVER, OKLI
UNTIL FDHMALJ.T1JSK HA Vis BEEN SETTLED AND THEN TO MAKE
RONS TO ENGLAND, TEN DANISH SHEPS^lIE HERE IN THE
HARBOR INACTIVE AS BEIDRE. QUEEN ELIZABETH I S STILL
HERE. THERE LIES IN THE ENTIRE HARBOR DISTRICT HUGH
MATERIAL READ! TO BE SHIPPED, BUT FEW SHIPS APPEAR TO BE
ON HAND* *

SEBOID will also testify froa his notes

(Exhibit 1A3 18)
that he met DUQUESNE at the Ne* Jersey ferry in lower Manhattan about 2:00
P.M.j that he read to M m the nessage received from Germany and asked
him for the source of his information. (Message 27-A).
DOQOESNE s a i d t h a t he was under t h e i m p r e s s i o n t h1 a t t h e
German in th ^ t & J $ f e g I C ^ M ^
_.tM. son lft jreiiaW WM! aeati tlii:49iltatUok to
ftb'r;ia t3W United Statesi.-^kff 4B, father, ^
the

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and transmitted the document to Canada by messenger of the U* S*

Ordnance Department* DUQUESNE claimed to have stolen the document
while it was in transit. However, he did not know the name of
the German in the United States who sold the document.

"carljon
&
" luesnai-i^ie _ _ . . . _--, w . . .
to'& witfe/tai Oerwa' t r a n s l a t i o n of the Message, and Duquesne
said t h a t he was going to mail i t t o Germany*
(Exhibit U3-26A)

DUQUESNE then dictated the following message for

trangmittal t o Gerraany:*-

Four battleships and ten destroyers of Texas class

going dcwr. to Caribbean to scout for England, Six
hundred reserve officers and s i x hundred enlisted
men. The Todd Dry Dock have contract to put anti*-
bomb deck on TJ S destroyers. Twenty new destroy**
ers, twenty frftm the World W*r Half of them with
laminated decks. Explosion t a k e s place before the
bomb reaches the lamination. Today's conservative
papers c a l l for union between England and TJ.S*a*
Articles were written and were to be published when
Roosevelt was nominated, British Embassy, U. S*
State Department, aid British Bureau of Informal
tion drew up the a r t i c l e s , and the State Department
issued i t s 0K* to the publishing houses."

(S. 2152 - P* 4 ) .

DUQUESNE then handed him a small bottle of clear

white fluid, the bottle having previously contained 100 triturate
tablets, strychnine nitrate, 1/4 gr. poison, put up by the UPJOHN
COMPANY, Kalamazoo, Michigan, S.KJP* jf778679.

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lso handed hiai sercral sheets of

white Bend paper, bearing the natejr; wJteg^:Coart '*"
House Bond, Wuie in Tj.s^A." Re said tHit thi -
was the naterlal he used" to send tfia letters in
secret -writing, and that he had sent some letters
to Germany by this system.
SEBOLD then reported to him at this meeting the
contents of the previous documents which Duquesne
had turned over to him, and on which he said there
was something written, in secret writing. Duquesne
told him to use this writing material and paper in

r
communicating -with him in the future in the event
that the communication needed to be of a confidential
nature.

BUQTJESNE also handed him the July 1940 issu of

J
c: JB ra
i& *n envelope addressed to
HHHHHT" * ^ * Portugal, and told him to se
the magazine to the other side through his contacts
(Exhibit 1A3-293)
(S. 2152 3 ) .
He will further testify that AgentJJJBturned
over to Agent Ellsworth and himself MessageiR.9> received
from Station ACE which, when decoded and translated, read
as followsx~
DTJHNS letter first June and Lilly* s letter
sixth July received today. Diaphragm not received*
Lilly can renew lease another 11 year* Money on way
but needs t i n e . Kind regards*
July 19 He w i l l testify that Agent Ellsworth and himself
1940* discussed and coded the following aessages

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Recently the radio station has becoaa sore
dangerous" ta Awsrica. The rj*Siir feff.^s^-'ag-
Bonltor stations which especially look for '
stations sending in code. I request you to
please send me another code, however, no
number system* Dunn told me the best code
would be one using two dictionaries where one
word is substituted for another. You can
send me the book on a ship* I don*t trust
this code much longer. Will change frequen-*
n
cies often also.

He will testify that this was coded, using the book

"- and a copy of the letter was mailed to

(Exhibit U18-58)
(S. 1930 - P* 3 )

On t h e same day he received a l e t t e r from LILLY

STEIN, postmarked He* York, July 1 8 , 1940, reading,

7/18
Harry,
Aa definitely expecting you tomorrow morning*
Please coae the soonest possible, Henry all
ready asked twice for you

L* "
(Exhibit U19-69)
-w:.rt.' <

*fM*,i *t-"*J>j> '.,

received .._.,_. . --.-_.-

s e l f as HARRT SAWIBR, postaarked New T r V
3.S* Lines, SS. MfeNfflffTAH,-stationeryj reading *s follows$*

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$?%, vj*gf$;, ^ .:-, Hew lork t/18,; 4

Dear Harry,
Feet you towsrrow at 5 PM Friday.

(Exhibit UU~39
a )
He will further testify from his notes,
(Exhibit 1A15 ~ 8)
that he met SIEGLEE i t Columbus Circle, at about 5sOO P.M. They then
walked into the park, across the driveway, and across the bridle path
to a vacant bench where they sat down*
SIEGLEH gave bia a gray paper package, which
tained, when subsequently cheeked and counted, | 2 , 8 5 0 . 0 0 . Siegler t o l d
him that the Bomy was divided i n t o two l o t s , f l , 350.00 ijrMek was t o
be paid as i n the radio aessage, t o DUQTJESNE, STEIN, HOEDER and himself.
The other $1, 500.00 was t o be used for the purchase of a bonb sight*
Siegler stated that he had no trouble in making
contact in Lisbon; that the ship*a chandler, that i s , the man who sells
the boatttssagoliea^eMK: &on board as Booa as the ship docked and with
him * & f l H H H H H H H F m e t o Siegler and gave him the password,
T ^ t h e y went together to Siegler's cabin, and
Imjhanded over to him the f l , 350.00 to pay the tour as directed in
the radio aessace. and the |l,5OOOO with which to Iwy a new bomb

0JU1),

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He fave him this piece of paper in order that he would not forget the
name of the bomb eight which was not to be purchased*
STJSGLER stated thatflHHHsaid that in case he,
SEBOID, couldno^eet a bomb sight heshouTa use the money for *ther
things; t h a t ^ m f told him that he had received the message about
the wire and t h e t i n can hanging out of the port hole, and that the
Communications System works perfectly, and could not work better*
__^_^^____ Sieglerstated t h a t ^ m f appeared to be a rich
m m P E i n d that^m^apparently is not his r^h^name although
he did not learn his true name* Siegler said t h a t ( m * w a s a
German, and that he operates an export and import business out of the
Argentine*
^^ that the "bi^shot in the matter
3bonHmmHHflssVa mSLR
namedJBHpl(possibly spelled
# |and AnstrucTedhis, Sisglsr, to go seetheGonsul the next day*
he did, and the Consul drove him around Lisbon in his car, but
did not speak of any of the espionage business* They spoke together
chiefly about the war situation. Siegler stated that STIGLER was also
along on this drive. They went to the Bull fight also. Siegler
said that Stigler also brought back a large amount of money, but did
not say whetherStigler received this money in Sieglerts cabin at the
saae time ^////f handed over the money to his, Siegler*
Siegler said tha as saber scars on his cheeks*
He gave no further description of
He also said t h a - M j ^ ^ explained t o him before he
sawirflHVtlhat i t was against Consular rules fo: ^_ to work
operalyin tl
this matter, which probably accounted __ not saying
anyt! about the espionage business, Siegler *s that he handed
to the materials which had been given to him by himself,
Siegler.also said that FEHSE

that he, PEHSE and STIGLEft were

going to join the S.S. AMEHICA at Newport flews, and were going- to
a trip to Cuba and so forth; that when they were in New York City-they
would contact him, Sebold. He asked Siegler what he could do about
sending some materials to Germany and Siegler told him to get in touch
with DOID in the Hotel Governor Clinton and that Bold would take care
of matters for him.

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;
' -''^ ' SISGaLSl then gave hi a pa<^8gewMch contained a

He will further testify that siegler left about 5:35

P.M.; that lie walked to the subway station where be was et by Agent
Ellsworth; that the/ then west back into Central Bark and made a list of
the nosey which was turned over to bio; that he turned the same noney
over to Agent Ellsworth for safekeeping* The list of aoney followst-
(S 1930 P* 19)

(100 Federal Reserve Note, series of 1934, serial no. B02249417A

R N R It 602249416A
M M R M a B02249415A
R M H R
fl R R R
H R H BO2249413A R
fl ft R BO2249414A X
R R R H BO223195OJL fl.
R fl M R R BO223195U R
H R tt M tt fl B0213994U R
H If fl R R R B0100254U R
R R R R a R R B02310670A M
R R R M M R R BO2323229A R
$20 Federal Reserve Mote, series of 1934, serial B O * B14185074A
M M R R M R f l f l R B146655964

$10 Federal Reserve Note, series of 1934, serial no. B542438O4A

$100 Federal Reserve Note, series of 1934, serial no* B02424470A

R R M M BO242447U
M R R M BO2424469A
R R a * R
R a M R ft
W r f.

R
If R R -a a a B02424U01
M R R R R R B02424409*
M R R M M B02424408A
R H R R
R R B024244O7A

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July 20 He will testify that

1940* Ellsworth and himself Messages
UK *
Station ACE, which, when dec
as follows:

II
Ho. 2 0 .

Please inform Febse he should inquire from ships

returning from England as to the effect of the
German air attack and report. End of message*
it
No* 21.
Confine your- radio messages to pure military and
technical inquiries. However, listen to us daily-
End of Message.

He will further testify that he received a l e t t e r , add-

ressed to himself as HAEST SAWYER from i n n STEIN, post-
marked New lork, July 19, 1940, which read as followss

7A9/40
Dear Harry,
A fine friend you are 1$ waited the whole
morning for you II You didn't even call me* ~
To your information, i f my telephone and light
are not paid by tomorrow both will be closed down $$
I most have help by tomorrow. Two hare other aews
for you* m
As ever.

He will further testify from his notes,

(1A19 - 13)
that en the morning of July 2Oth he received three |100
bills from Agent Ellsworth, which he listed, which were as
follows

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Federal Reserve Hote, Series of 1934, serial no.

' ***- B02249417A.

That he went to LILLX STEIN'S apartment, 127 East

54th Street, arriving at about HsOO &.M.; that upon entering her apart-
ment he handed her the three $100 bills* She did not appear to be angry
at thie tiae with him for not having cone the day before. She told M a
that she had gotten a job as an artist*s model in some art school, and
that she would stay in her apartment until the lease expired, fie then
read to her German Message jjO.9, -which was received July 18, 1940, which
read as follows j-

Daans letter first June and Lilly* a

letter sixth July received today.
Diaphragm not received. Lilly can
renew lease for another year. Money
on way but needs H a e . Kind regards*11

She stated that the l e t t e r which she wrote on July

6th was about aoney matters, and that in this letter she told the German
authorities that if they expected any work out of her she would have to
have a d e a r head, and not be worried with aoney natters a l l the tine*
He asked her about H H a H a a ? ll^om s n e &** "** through
She had no further inforaationabout this lady, and he
er about a l l she knew concerning her. Be then asked her for the
Boney which she had borrowed fro* h i a . As she did not hare sufficient
spall change, they left the apartment together, and proceeded to the

m*
July 12, 1940, addressed
lorfc City* The other is.postmarked Detroit, Michigan, July 17,. 1940, and
addressed to Miss LILLT STEIN, 127 East 5*Vth Street, Hw York City.
(Exhibits U8-18 and 19
Q168 to 171}
( Q175 to 178)
(S. 2108 ~ P. 4)

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July 194
-V. V
of Aawican Aeroplane Manufacturers, private and ilitarycraft.

Abrams Aircraft Corporation, Lansing, Mich* Jensen Aircraft Corporation

Lansing* Mich. Charleton. S.C*
Aircraft Corporation Kellett Autogiro
La Porte* In** philadelphia.Pa.

Air Transport MfgCo.l4tf Ktipper Aircraft Enterprise

Olendale, Calif* Tanaqoa. Pa*
American Aircraft Co* Eat. Laird Airplane Co*
Long Beach Calif* Chicago. I l l *
Applegate Amphibians Allen H.Lockheed Aero Ind. Corporation
Lock Haren.Pa. Boston. Mass.
Barkley Grow Aircraft'corporation Me. Ccnell Aircraft Corporation
Detroit.Mich. Robertson* Missotiri
The Bee Aircraft Co* Mercury Aircraft Coarp. Inc.
fjlendale Calif* Knoxvills. Tenn.
Bennett Aircraft Inc. Meyers Aircraft Company
Dallas. Texas Tecuaseh. Mich.
Baraelly Aircraft Corp. Military Aircraft Corporatioa
Keyport.N.J. Springfield.M&as*
Clarence D Chaaberlin Co. Miller Aero Service
Bei. . NN.J.
. Brentwood.Pa.
Collier Aircraft Co* XXXXX Miller Aircraft Corporation
Springfield. Mass.

B^deral Aircraft Corporation HSo*thrp Aircraft Inc. Jarthorne.Cal.

8 ub. of interstate Aircraft & Engine CorporaUon
Segondo. Calif*

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Fleetwings Inc. Ong Aircraft Corporation

Bristol. Pa* Kansas City* Missouri*
Orlnn Aircar Co* i n c . Facer Aircraft Coop.
Buffalo. Beverly Hills. Calif*
Hall-Altudnum Aircraft Corp. Pasped Aircraft Corporation
Bristol. Fa. Glendale. Calif.
Harlow Engineering Corporation Phillips Aviation Comp.
Los Angeles. Calif* Los Angeles. Calif.
Hockaday Aircraft Corp. Reamin Aircraft^ Engine Inc.
Burbank. Calif. Kansas City. Kansas
Hughe8 Aircraft Corporation N.B. Rich Airplane Co. Municipal Airport
Hollywood. Boston. Mass*
sheet 2*
List cf Aacricaa preplans MeRuf&ctursrs, private and military
Military craft*
Rose Aeroplane & Motor Comp. North American Aviation
Chicago. 111. * Inglewood. Calif*
St*L&uis Aircraft Corp. Sob* St*Louis car Co* Fairchild Aircraft Co.
St. Louis. Missouri* Hageretomi* Md.
Southern Aircraft Corporation Vought Sikorski M.T. of United Aircraft
Houston. Texas Stratford. Conn.
Spartan Aircraft* Coap. Glenn Martin Corp.
Tulsa. Qkla* Baltimore.
Stearaan Hammond Aircraft Corporation Brewster Aeronautical Corp*
S#San Francisco. Calif. \ J^ng igland City, H.T.

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HIXBurbank. Calif. Wichita. Kansas.

Wateraftn Arrowplane Co. Stinson Aircraft Division
Santa Monica. Calif* Wayne. Mich.

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Welch Aircraft industries Inc. Stinson Aircraft Aviation Mfg. Corp.

South Bnd * m d . Term.
ndt Aircraft Corp. Sortarop Aircraft
Buffalo* V.I. Los Angeles* Calif*
White Aircraft Inc. Vultee Aircraft
Buffalo. M.I. Downey .Calif*
Cessna Aircraft Coop.
Military Craft. Wichita. Kaaeas.

Gurtiss Aeroplane Corp. Wright Aeronautical Corp. Div. of Cur

Buffalo, MI. ties Wright Corporation
Paterson. H.J.
Bell Aircraft,
Buffalo.!!.!. Wace Aircraft Coan>.
m Ohio
Qrusman Aircraft Engineering Corp,
Betpage*L#I.S.T.
Beech Aircraft Corporation.
Wichita. Kansas
Lockheed Aircraft Corp.
Burbank* Calif* Republic Aviation Corporation
Faraington. L*I.
w Aircraft Co.
Santa Monica. Calif. Tiiai Aircraft Corporation
Van Rors. Calif*
Curtiss Wright Corporation
Buffalo United Aircraft Corp.
Bridgeport. C o m *
Boeing Aircraft*
Seattle. Lakes Aircraft Corporation
Detroit*
Consolidated Aircraft Corporation
S*n Diego. Calif*

U a t of African Aeroplane Efg*, private and dUtarjr c r a f t .

Military continue*.
Babcock Aircraft Corporation
D e Land. Calif*

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Bllance Aircraft Corporation

New Castle.
Robertson Curtiss Wright, St.Louis E&v.
St Louis. m
Aeronautical Corporation of America.
Lunken Airport*
Cincinatti.Ohio.
Howard Aircraft Corporation -
53ol west 56th Street
Chicago*.
Akron Aircraft Inc.. ."
Akron. Ohio*
Porterfield Aircraft Corporation
Kansas City. Misa.
Piper Aircraft Corporation Lock Haven. Pa*
Lock Haven* Pa*
Luacoabe Airplane Corporation
West Trenton N.J.
Aviation Corporation
Alliance* (Mo*
Heinrich"

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ifcvijftJUMf Motor Manufacturers i a U. S* A.

and leoatioa"* Typa'ibf sotor fipf rpa* stroks
' *,
v7 ((,ijAij
AlrcooUd Motors Corp^cyUoppoaed 5 2300 3.625" 3.625" 6 ^ t l
Syracutft W,Y. 4 6o 235 3.875" 3.875" 6*3:1
Akron Aircraft I n c . 4 " in Una 63 2125 3.875 4.oo 6.25:1
Akron. Ohio. watrcooled 7o 245 3.875 4*K> 6.25:1
Allied Ariation Corp* 4071. in line
Van Nuys. Calif. Aircooled loo 2285 4.oo 4.480 6.25:1
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Allison Engineering Co.V-171o-C.15. "

Biv. of General Motors 12eyLV-shape
Indianapolis. Ind. 60 degrees, high
temperature,
ethylene gly-
col cooled
tax.normal rating 84-0 HP. a t 26oo tpm.
at seal l e v e l . 96oHP. a t 26oorpm. 12ooo*.
I090HP. at 3ooorpm* a t I3200*.
cruising rating72oHP. a t 228orpm*l2oooT.
Power available for take-off lo9oHP.
at 3ooorpm a t 42,9B3. compression 6*65*1
blower ratio 8*77:1* propeller reduction
gearing 2si*displacement 171o cu.incb.es. 5.5 6oo
Engine dimensions: Length 98.53"
height 41.18". width 29.28".
Weight with carburetor, fftreen radio-
shielding, sparkplugs, magneto, exhaust* (Allison accessories)
flanges, sparkplug-cooling tubes, primer Allison supercharger, Bendix
system, tachometer<-driTes> o i l and coolant Scilla Magnate, Bendix-
pumps and oilstrainer 134o lbs* Stroaberg carburetor, Eclipse
constructions starter-generator* B*Qm spark
crankcase cast aluminum-alloy} two halves plugs, Pesco fuel and vacuum
split on horizontal crankshaft-line; crank** pumps.
shaft chrome-nickel molybdenum forging*
Cast alumintB alloy cyl^headsj 6cylbl*ck,
roof type combustion chamber; 2intake ami
2 exhaust~*alves per cylinder, each pair
in-lined at 22* 5 degrees from v e r t i c a l .
Cylinder-barrels, steel shrunk In head
with single coolant Jacket bolted to each head
and fastened to lower end by large nut*
piston aluminum alloy forgingsj waffle-bead
top| l^oeapresi| sad 2 oilrings. ,

Texas*
radial 55o) these 2 sises s t i l l i n experts
' " ' looo) mental stage. G^fernment has
bought a few H.lo2o tor experimental work for Army and Mavy.'
Constructions Crankcase Aluminum casting in 2 parts, bolted on centerline

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valve tappet guides apd fuel injector puaps in rear center section*crank
9 ^ f t nickel eteel foxing SJLB ^512. 3 copresionrings, 1 oilring abore, .
1 pilri^stoeloT f^xll floating continued on sheet 2*
piston pin, cartridge starter, Eclipse generator*
beet 2
Airplane - Motor Manufacturers in U.S.A. July 194o.
Name and location Type of motor HP* rpa* bore stroke compress.

Continental Motors Corp4cyl*aircooled 3o 2575 3U25 375o 5.2:1

Muskegon. Mieh. opposed A5o 5o 19oo 3.625 5.41
A-65 65 23oo 3.875 3.625 6.3:1
* A-75 75 26oo 3*875 3*625 6.3:1
" . * A~8o 8o 27oo 3.875 3.625 7*55:1
7 cyl^r&di&l
., aircooled E 225 2175 5.125 4*625 5*4 tl
M 24o 22oe 5.125 4.625 6.1:1
manifold injection)Kl. 23o 2125 5.125 4.625 1
types )Ml*25o 22oo 5.125 4.625 6,1:1
Kinner Motors 5eyl.radial 4.25 5*25 5*1
Qlerriala. Calif* aircooled B5.125 192$ 4*625 5*25 5*25*1
7eyl* d # C7.3oo 18oo 5*625 6*ee 525 i l
SC7.35o 19oo 5.625 6*oo 5.5:1
Lycoming Manufacturing 4cylinder air*.
Corporatioa. Div.ATiatioB cooled opposed.
Wllliaasport. Pa. 55 23o 3^25 5.65:1
65 255o 3*625 3*5 6.5:1
75 31oo 3*625 6.5 tl
radial engines
aircooled 7eyl*
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Lsnape Aircraft r Motors Inc* ' y/ ''; >-'*l"*J>v
N. J. 3 cylinder r a d i a l
-: , ;, aircooled 14O 52
' *;*"* -:',.
v/
1*365 6 s
* UD75 75 2456
5 cyl. LH5 95 22oo 4ee 5.1:1
LM5 125 245e 4*125 4.oo 5*8 i l
Menasco Mfg. Co. 4 cyl. inverted 125 2175 4.75 5.32 5 5.5tl
Los Angeles* Calif. aircooled 150 226o 4.75 5.125 blowgear9.6jl
6 cjU 160 1975 4.5 5.125 5*5 1
" Superbucanw260 23oo 4.75 5.125 5.5:1
eer with blow gear ratio lo.9:l
Monocoupe Corporation 5 cyl* aircooled
Robertson. Missouri. radial R.26 9o 2375 4.25 3.75 5.55*1
Menasco Mfg. Co. 12 cylinder geared 4.75 5.125 5.5:1
Los Angeles Calif* aircooled Unitwin blower gear ratio lo.9tl
600 24oo at 75oo feet
>* 42o 2ooo 9ooo
660 248o " 48.5" HG manifold opress,
propeller shaft ratio 1*28si piston displaceoilttt>e }6LO89.3
length8O,O3 eighth 3o,4o nidth 38". weight
HP at sea leareil lbs. weight i n c l . e l l accessories 1366lbs.

sheet 3*
Airplane -Hotors Manufacturers in U.S.A. July 194o.
Name and location type of motor HP. rpa* bore stroke compress.

RangerSngineering Corp.6 cylinder i n - 175 245o 4.125 5.125 651

Farmingdale L.I. verted aircooled
175 2450 4.25 5.25o 6. si
12 cylinder Vshape ... .

6.25 tl
Warner Aircraft Corp* 5cyl. radial
Detroit. Mich* aircooled scarab Jr.

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7 cyl. do do. 125 2o5"*4.fcfc :4*2$'

7 n 165 21oo 4.625 4.25 6.4:1
Pratt & Whitf ey/ Aircraft
Corporation Radial aircooled engines from 4oo HP single row, to
East Hartford. Conn. I800HP. double row. i.e. 7 and 9 Cylinders single
14 to 18 cylinders double row, geared and direct driv
Wright Aeronautical Radial airtfooled engine8 from 35o to 12ooHP and
Corporation 7 to 9 cylinders single row and from lloo to 22oo
Pater son Jt'*j. HP* 14 and 18 cylinder double row. Direct drive
and geared.
Incoming Mfg. Corp. 12oofiP flat type
Dir. Aviation opposed for installation in wings. Cylinders divided
lilliaaspcrt, Pa eranlv on both sides of crankshaft. Greatest height!
37*, width 44" weight 1325 lbs. cubic contents 353
cubic inches. Other details not available at present
it is reported that this engine hao been developed
with the assistance of the Army Air C*rps. This type
of engine which is concealed in the wing is reputed
to greatly help eliminating wind resistance.
Heinric h"

(S. 2108-P. 6, 7, 8, 9,
10, 11, 12, 13 and 14.)

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July 22, SSBCtD

1940, he Jr$e.ivbd;|250O0f|^t XPj3^9j$i;
from the funds handed MM by Siegler j t h a t ! Bade a Ota*
of the s e r i a l numbers and descriptions of these b i l l s ,
as follows t~
$100 Federal Reserve Note, series of 1934, s e r i a l #BO231O87Qa
$100 " #B02323229A
$ 20 " #BU185O74a
$2OM M
" 6 6 6
$ 10

Be vill further testify from bis notes,

(Exhibit U3-18)
that he went to the usual meeting place at the lew Jersey
ferry s^ip, in Lower Manhattan, and waited for soae time;
that he started to a telephone booth to call DOQUESKE when
he saw hia coving at about ls2O PM Duquesne notioned
hiM away. Daquesne went on board the ferry boat and he
followed him but went up on to the upper deck* There he
observed Duquesne sitting directly behind a big fellow who
stood at the rail, at the front of the boat, watching the
Hew Jersey shore and occasionally looking back towards
Duquesne. When the boat reached the lew Jersey shore this
big fellow |ot off the boat and after the boat was about
half way back to Manhattan, DUQUESHE signalled to hia that
they could talk* They went inside the saloon, and looked
out through the window. Duqueane told tola that the large
fellow was an FBI nan, and had been watching hia) that he
had seen the same fellow at Hyde Park the day before*
He said that the fellow night be standing on the Hew Jersey :
shore watching thea through a telescope. * 7' #-

(Exhibit 1A3-322K4).

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thai 'that wts;^m^^"al'Mdre1irbie1 be mm^m^Smk^^t^m^im,- .., . ,,,a
"They must be darned poor on the other side"
TjrjQUESHE *ben dictated the following information to
be transmitted to Germany*-.

igation of a oaak and carmlster to stop

chlorine gas. Duquewe was in Hyde park
yesterday* Members of the British Diplomatic
Corps, Bullitt, and F.D.R* were discussing
Hitler B aessage. The Arsy AdTisory COBBISS-*
ion is thinking of stopping the production of
Oaraodl rifles because of poor results* "
. i
}

He then showed DUQUESH1 the message received froa

Germany by radio on July 16, 1940, which read as follows t-

Dums letter first Jane and Lilly *s letter

sixth July received today. Diaphragm not
received* Lilly can renew lease another
year* Money on way bit needs time. Kind
regards* ' , ;".-' -" .. .

He then asked DUQUESiTE what the diaphragm was, and

Buquesne said that it was a diaphragm for a cannister of a gas mask which
he had sent over. He did not go into details about bow be transmitted
it or what he had said in the letter.
(S. 2152 - P. 5).

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