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stonesun A Comprehensive Sclerotia Cultivation Guide - From
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Intro:
I've decided to put this guide together because there are numerous old threads and
outdated
information floating around regarding the cultivation of the sclerotia producing Psilocybes.
There are however some really great threads too, like the Easier than Cubes! or the
Sclerotia FAQ.
Both very good reads, highly recommended
I'll try to cover the most popular and readily available species:
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Psilocybe tampanensis/Pollock
Psilocybe mexicana/Jalisco
I have worked mainly with these four stone producers for the last year.
Section Mexicanae is my absolute favorite from the Psilocybe genus.
As you probably already know these species have the ability to produce
sclerotia (stones) invitro and fruit bodies as well.
Most people cultivate them for stones only but hopefully after reading this
thread they'll change their mind and give it a go at fruiting 'em too.
They aren't much harder to fruit than P. cubensis just require a thin casing layer
and some extra TLC.
Let's get started!
Grain/BRF Substrate Preparation (From

Best to Least Optimal):
Rye Berries
Rye Grass Seed (RGS)
Wild Bird Seed (WBS)
Brown Rice Flour (BRF)
I will not go into details with the BRF, WBS and RGS preparation,
because these three methods are truly inferior to a perfectly prepped rye berries substrate.
Here's a short version of those three.
BRF Preparation:
BRF cakes preparation is the regular formula (1/1/2 - BRF/water/verm)
but instead of 100% water use a 50% coffee/50% water solution.
Steam sterilize for 90 minutes or PC for 60 minutes @15psi.
P. tampanensis sclerotia forming on BRF substrate

RGS Preparation (/quart jar):
300ml RGS
150ml coffee/water mix (50/50)
Pinch of gypsum
Put RGS and gypsum in your jar, pour coffee/water on it.
Shake to distribute the liquid evenly and let sit for
two hours. Then PC it for 60 minutes @15psi.
P. galindoi sclerotia on Rye Grass Seed
WBS Preparation :
I hate WBS because it's messy and pretty difficult to clean the millet
away from the sclerotia.
Use it however if for some reason rye or RGS is not available.
You can also prepare it at the same way like the rye berries below.
P. tampanensis colonizing on Wild Bird Seed

Rye Berries Preparation:
As for the rye berries here's a detailed and pictured preparation method.
This is basically identical to RR's Rye Grain Preparation with the

addition of coffee to the soak water.
I start it by brewing a full pot (2 quarts) of strong coffee.

In a large pot/kettle heat up 2-2.5 gallon of water and add the coffee.
Add a couple of teaspoons of gypsum and stir.
Prepping the coffee/water soak
While the water/coffee is heating measure out your rye.

Use a cup of rye for each quart jar.
Rinse the grains a few times to clean them from all the dirt/debris.
When the water runs clear drain it. Whenever the coffee/water is around 160F go
ahead and shut off the stove and dump in the grains.
Stir it around, cover and let it sit for 4-24 hours.
I usually do this overnight, with a soaking time of 8-10 hours.
Rinsing the rye and adding it to the coffee/water

Your rye is soaked, now it's time to boil.
Bring it up to a full boil and let it go for 10-15 minutes.
Turn off the stove and strain the grains in to large colanders/strainers.
I like to put a fan on them and move them around a few times while drying.
Make sure that the surface of the kernels are completely dry!
Boiling, straining and drying the Rye Berries
Now they're ready to load into jars.

Use your favorite lids with your favorite filter (mine is synthetic filter disc).
Tyvek or polyfill will work too, but nothing beats the SFDs.
Screw on lids and put a layer of aluminum foil on them.
Filling the jars and fit them with lid & foil
Now you can load the jars in the pressure cooker.

PC them for at least 90 minutes (I like to go with 120...) @15psi.
As always let the PC completely cool before removing the jars.
Jars are room temperature and the foil is removed.
The grains are a little bit compacted so I like to shake them gently a bit now.
Ready to be inoculated!
Jars before & after sterilization

Inoculation Methods:
So you have a spore print or syringe.
If you don't want to complicate things or just simply don't
have the supplies/resources go ahead and inoculate the substrate with
your spore syringe. If you have a print, well you know, just make a spore
syringe...
Spore print and spore syringe of P. mexicana
If you are a bit advanced and make LCs for you cubensis, these species will
do great in a DME (Dried Malt Extract) and DEX (Dextrose) LC.
Use your favorite recipe.
My preferred one is 1 tsp Malt Extract and 1/8 cup of Dextrose per quart.
The best and most advanced method however is to start your spores on agar.
P. galindoi mycelium on LME/DEX LC

I use premixed MEA media and have never had germination issue.
When you have a nice healthy grow on your plate (not going into isolation...),
you can inoculate your grain substrate or LC with a wedge.
P. galindoi and P. mexicana on agar
Rye inoculated with agar wedge
Now just set it and forget it!

Are you ready for some stones?!
Very often (especially with spore and agar wedge inoculation) sclerotia will
form before full colonization of the substrate. This is perfectly normal.
If you inoculate with LC, the mycelium usually just rips through the substrate
and stones will form after 100% colonization.
Either way you should see stones soon.
Some "young" jars (less than 30 days)

There's a controversy on shaking or not at the 20-30% stage of colonization.
Some say it's OK some say don't do it.
I've done it with success, but failed a few times too.
Therefore I don't shake anymore.
When I want to expand and plan on doing G2G transfers, the best method IME
is to start with LC.
I use 3-4cc per jar and it's always done within a week.
Stones are not forming yet or if so, they are very tiny.
Just as usual, break up your colonized grain by shaking your jar,
and transfer a small amount into new sterilized substrate jars.
However if you have a fair amount of LC, I'd rather go that way
instead of G2G.
P. mexicana/A rye jars around 60 days
P. galindoi rye jars around 60 days

Harvesting the Stones:
Well it is time to enjoy the first "fruits" of your labor.
When you're at this stage, your jars should be at least 2 months or older.
There's no point to harvest before 2 months and my latest harvest was 6 months.
Some leave it longer, but I always in need of jars/space.
Anyhow...
Get a spoon and sanitize it with alcohol.
Scrape out and separate the substrate and sclerotia on aluminum foil.
I have done this before in laminar air flow and totally open air.
Never ever get a contam with either method.
Stones harvested from RGS and rye berries substrate
Clean your stones with a brush and store them fresh in paper bags in the fridge
for weeks or dehydrate and store them for months.
P. mexicana/A sclerotia harvested from rye

P. galindoi sclerotia from rye substrate
P. tampanensis sclerotia from manure based bulk substrate
So now you have that leftover sub/very small stones mixture, ready to fruit.
Fruiting Procedures:
Cased Grain Substrate:

This is the easiest method to case the grains and fruit them as is.
I've had OK results by casing RGS.
Had great results by casing Rye.
P. mexicana/Jalisco fruiting on cased RGS

P. galindoi/ATL#7 fruiting on cased RGS
P. galindoi/ATL#7 fruiting on cased Rye Berries

They don't require a special casing layer, I've used pasteurized 50/50, 50/50+, Jiffy Mix
and Plantation Seed Starter Mix with equally great results.
Make sure that you use a thin (~1/4") layer of your mix.
Spread it evenly on the top of the substrate and put it into your fruiting chamber.
I've used a SGFC and Greenhouse and they both perform good.
Keep high humidity and lots of FAE throughout the whole fruiting.
Keep your temperature between 65-80F.
I've had them to fruit on constant 65F and constant 80F and anywhere in between.
Light temperature of 6500K is preferred (although I experimented with a 8200K light
too with good performance as well) with a cycle of 12/12.
Pins should appear within 10-14 days in optimal fruiting conditions.
Grains Spawned to Bulk Substrate:

You can spawn your grains to any pasteurized manure or coir based bulk substrate.
My favorite mix is horse manure/straw/coir/vermiculite/gypsum (40/20/20/15/5).
Let your bulk colonize, case and fruit it as above.
P. mexicana/Jalisco rye berries spawned to pasteurized coir/coffee/verm/gypsum

P. tampanensis spawned to pasteurized horse manure/straw/verm/coir/gypsum
Fruiting BRF Cakes:
With this method I don't harvest the sclerotia from the substrate.
After full colonization birth the cake and wash off the vermiculite barrier.
After this I like to dry the cakes out in the front of the flowhood or a fan.
Dry it for a few hours at least or overnight.
P. tampanensis cakes drying
Please note that the above step is not necessary but IME it will give you a better
flush/pinset.
Now that the cakes are dry you can go ahead and dunk them for 24 hours.
Put them back in the jars and case/fruit in the same manner as with grains (described
above).
P. tampanensis cakes dunking and cased

P. galindoi fruits on BRF substrate
Alternative Fruiting Method:

If you're after the fruits and don't care about sclerotia this is the TEK for you!
Prepare a bulk substrate mix in a spawn bag and sterilize it,
then inoculate it directly with LC.
Here's how I prepare my bulk.
Shred the horse manure with a small food processor.

I can't believe that some people still breaking up manure with their hands...
Shredding the manure
Chop up some wheat straw and submerge it in water for a couple of hours.
Prepping wheat straw
Hydrate some coir, and get the vermiculite & gypsum ready.
I don't measure anything exactly just eyeball it.
It's not that important, just be somewhere in the ballpark of the above mentioned ratio...
Ingredients for the substrate
Now mix your dry ingredients (manure/verm/gypsum) then mix in coir and straw.
Hydrate the sub to field capacity and fill into gusseted spawn bags.
I fill the bags with 2-4 quarts of substrate.
Mixed and hydrated substrate

I love RRs idea with the tyvek sleeves inserted in the bags,
you don't have to worry about contamination while your PC cools.
Prepping the spawn bags
Fill your PC with the bags, and PC them for 120 minutes @15psi.
Bags before and after PCing
When the bags are cool I open them in the sterile laminar airflow and
inoculate the bulk with 20-60cc of LC.
Inflate it with the sterile air and tie them up.
When fully colonized, cut the top of the bag just above the substrate level.
Case it thin with your favorite casing layer and fruit it.
P. galindoi bag fully colonized, top cut off and cased

P. galindoi fruits on the above mentioned bag
Harvesting & Spore Printing:

Now that the pins developed into mature fruits (anywhere between 5-10 days)
you are ready to harvest them.
This is the same as you would do with any other species of mushroom,
but keep it in mind that these guys are pretty fragile.
Gently pull them off the substrate and set them aside.
P. galindoi harvest from BRF
Cut the caps off the stipe as close as you can and place cap onto
alcohol sanitized heavy duty aluminum foil.
Do this in your glovebox or front of your flowhood.
P. galindoi caps printing
An other good method is to use a plastic shoebox.

Take the lid, and lay a sheet of sanitized foil in it.
Put the caps on the foil and place the bottom of the box on the top of the lid.
You'll have a nice sheet of good quality prints.
P. tampanensis caps mass-printing on foil in a shoebox

Finished prints of P. tampanensis
Thanks for reading
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transfers and pick a healthy looking piece? I been getting a lot of floaters in my LC's and
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Stonesun, can I ask about your LC technique, why the dextrose on top of the
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The combination of malt extract and dextrose had been the most succesful method in
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I been getting a lot of floaters in my LC's and not much success.
Im thinking my Lc's are poor cause Im not stiring and filtering them?
I suspect from your first question that you use LME only in your LCs.
LME tends to form tiny clumps when introduce it to boiling water.
These clumps are sediment caused by the caramelization of the sugar.
Reduce the LME, add dextrose and you'll get a much cleaner/better LC.
I've used to filter mine but don't bother with it anymore, as I see
no difference in performance.
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Do you start from agar wedges from initial plate or do a few transfers...
Do u use a stir plate and if so, how long u stir in a 24 hour period?
I do both. Depends what I try to achieve.
And I always start on agar then wedge to LC or straight to grain jar.
I do use a stir plate.
When (very seldom) inoculate my LC with spores, I wait a week to let them germinate
then stir it constantly for a few days on ~200RPM.
If inoculate with LC or agar wedge I stir it right after inoculation 24/7
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What are the trip qualities of sclerotia producers like lets say... ATL 7?
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Just call it semperviva

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This is one kick ass thread.

Loads of great info and your pics are really cool, nice and clear.
I started to read the "easier than cubes" thread 2 days after ordering a halloween goodie
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Wow dude
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Wow, very clear and instructive post.

No green house, my GF will finally be happy
Will try to grow some sclerotia now !
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this just reinforces the thoughts in my mind of trading off my left nut in order to get these
spores i think this would be a good thing to do when im tired of cubes
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The combination of malt extract and dextrose had been the most succesful
method in
the history of sugar based LCs. LME by itself would give you poor results and
lots of floaters.
Which leads to your next question.
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I been getting a lot of floaters in my LC's and not much success.
Im thinking my Lc's are poor cause Im not stiring and filtering
them?
I suspect from your first question that you use LME only in your LCs.
LME tends to form tiny clumps when introduce it to boiling water.
These clumps are sediment caused by the caramelization of the sugar.
Reduce the LME, add dextrose and you'll get a much cleaner/better LC.
I've used to filter mine but don't bother with it anymore, as I see
no difference in performance.
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Do you start from agar wedges from initial plate or do a few
transfers...
Do u use a stir plate and if so, how long u stir in a 24 hour period?
I do both. Depends what I try to achieve.

And I always start on agar then wedge to LC or straight to grain jar.
I do use a stir plate.
When (very seldom) inoculate my LC with spores, I wait a week to let them
germinate
then stir it constantly for a few days on ~200RPM.
If inoculate with LC or agar wedge I stir it right after inoculation 24/7
till I got a thick slurry at the same speed.
Hope it helps.
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Hey stonesun. Nice guide to Sclerotia production. Approximately how much sclerotia do
you yield from one quart jar of mexicana when using agar?
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Approximately how much sclerotia do you yield from one quart jar of mexicana
when using agar?
The inoculant (agar wedge, spore syringe, LC or GLC) has no effect on the yield.
Unless of course it's an isolate.
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complete darkness, or some ambient light?
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in there.
I've used to keep 'em in a room on a shelf by a window
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Awesome pictorial, thanks!!
Can anyone link to (or summarize) a quick dosing guide for both stones and fruits of
sclerotia?
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Not me, I'm sorry.

Maybe someone else can chime in, although it's pretty off topic
in a sclerotia GROWING guide...
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Awesome pictorial, thanks!!
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As much as you think you can handle lol.

Didn't know there was a set dosing to anything.
Awesome article. Can't wait to give these a try. Thinking I will do these along side the tubs
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Hey Stonesun. Hows it going? Really nice guide. I just inoculated a bunch of jars with LC
which I made from a clone. I shook them right away and they seem to be growing really
fast. 2 are already fully colonized. I have one quick question. How long does it take from
full colonization until I see truffles beginning to form?
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I have one quick question. How long does it take from full colonization until I
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Within a week of full colonization.

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I cloned Sclerotia tissue. I got the truffle from my local smartshop. I has been colonized for
about a week now and I am not seeing any truffles forming. How long should I wait before
worrying?
The mycelium is healthy white.
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Stonesun, could you possibly update your tek with a little bit more detail about your casing
technique?
I have some RGS jars of Ps. gallindoi/ATL#7 that are a few months old, with well-
developed sclerotia, but I'm interested in fruiting one or two of those jars for prints.
Another tek here describes casing the straight grain spawn. Is it better to spawn to coir or
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As I understand it, the RGS should be cased with ~1/4" 50/50 peat/verm, with lime to get
the pH up to ~8. Should I spawn to a 50/50 coir/verm first, let colonize, and then case
immediately before fruiting? Or should the mycelium be allowed to break the casing layer
before fruiting? Or else should I spawn and case at the same time a la cased cubes, and
allow to break the casing layer before fruiting? One sees so much different information
around but you seem to be one of the experts at getting these to fruit.
I stupidly tried spawning to coir/verm without casing, like cubes, and got no pinning activity,
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Stonesun has said in this thread and told me personally that he doesn't let his galindoi
casings sit at all and begins to fruit them immediately, I personally would advise spawning
to a bulk sub instead of just fruiting cased grains
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"Should I spawn to a 50/50 coir/verm first, let colonize, and then case immediately before
fruiting?"
"Or should the mycelium be allowed to break the casing layer before fruiting?"
"Or else should I spawn and case at the same time a la cased cubes, and allow to break
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but a reiteration would be appreciated.
I too have ATL7 jars, one at about 1.5 months and the other
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on Neuropa sorry but you must be doing something wrong, or you are slightly confused.. thats not how
Last seen: 1 casings are traditionally applied.. The bulk sub is allowed to colonize, and then it is cased,
month, 8 days it is up to the individual whether they allow the mycelium to break through or not, In terms
of cubes
However in both cases colonization of the casing is not recommended and it defeats its
purpose, which is to provide a humid micro climate close to the surface of the mycelium
with good airflow , which is the purpose of a casing no matter the species, colonization
limits the airflow of the casing layer
I personally have experience with spawning this species to straight verm and it gave
decent results, more nutrients and available moisture by means of a bulk sub can only
help the colony of mycelium so I would suggest spawning to bulk sub
in summary , casing is applied after colonization directly before fruiting, and not allowed to
colonize at all,
I dont mean to steal your thunder stonesun Im just trying to help JD out, and I hope you
aren't offended JD im just trying to clear up some easily mistaken issues,
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I was the one asking those questions. In any case thanks for clearing that up. I've never
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How long should I wait before worrying?
I wouldn't worry for another couple of weeks.

What was your substrate?
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21º56'00"W Stonesun, could you possibly update your tek with a little bit more detail about
your casing technique?
Is it better to spawn to coir or one of the other bulk substrate materials, in your
opinion?
I might just do that.

Both straight cased grains and spawn to bulk works, I thought this was obvious from this
thread.
If you want bigger, healthier fruits then spawn to bulk just like Pscientist suggested it.
I've spawned P. mexicana to coir and did well, but P. galindoi performed poor.
My favorite bulk now is horse manure/straw/coir/vermiculite/gypsum (40/20/20/15/5).
You got the rest right about the casing material and thickness.
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hope you aren't offended
Not at all.
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Hey stonesun. Hows it going? My substrate was rye berries. I simply loaded the rye
berries into the jars with the correct amount of water and sterilized for 1 hour. I also did a
few jars using RogerRabbit's rye prep tek. I found that the jars I had prepared by simply
putting the rye grain and water into jars actually colonized much faster than the ones using
the RR method. I attribute this to the fact that the grains are softer and more puffed up
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29 minutes very thin and tempermental. It is rather easy to get the LC into a syringe. I made some LC
syringes of z-strain today and the needle got clogged 5 time while I was aspirating the
mycelium.
The tek I used for my grain prep can be found here.

http://www.mushmush.nl/?page=begin\methods\making_grain_spawn
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I was just looking into this and here you are! You're the man!
Hey, any chance you have a pdf of your guide?
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Fantastic....One of the best writeups I have seen in my few years here. Thanks Stonesun.
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Top-notch thread Stonesun. More folks should cultivate these, my fave. Never had a
succesful jalisco culture though...just tampanensis and mexicana strain A.
Great work. ~P~
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I will also add my lips to your behind and say great thread, well done.
I do have a question and you seem like you might be the guy to ask:
Can I clone sclerotia by adding directly to an LC? I have some Mex A jars about 3 months
old now, popped one the other day and found 120ish grams of sclerotia, nice. I was gonna
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Pits I have tried G2G before with these with poor results, I think they are less forgiving
Last seen: 15 contaminant-wise than cubes due to the extended invitro period.
days, 7 hours
I have a few agar plates left but wanted to use them for another project. I'm guessing it'll
be xmas or New Year before most places are shipping reliably and I can get more,
especially with the weather over here..
I read the whole thread (and several others) but can't seem to find this mentioned, any
thoughts??
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I am betting that agar would be a better place to start.
There is no guarantee that sclerotia are clean.
You could try washing it briefly in H2O2.

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I'm almost certain agar would be a better place to start too... However, in the abscence
of available dishes, I might give it a shot unless someone has tried a few times and knows
that it's a waste of time...??
I was thinking of removing a stone from a clean jar (pre-harvest) with heated tweezers and
just dropping it in to some LC. I have plenty of stones available and no shortage of LC jars
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I was thinking of removing a stone from a clean jar (pre-harvest) with heated
tweezers and just dropping it in to some LC.
I do this all the time, it works great.

Why wouldn't sclerotia be "clean" if you pull it from
a sterilized jar of sterilized substrate?
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I think they are less forgiving contaminant-wise than cubes due to the
extended invitro period.
Not so.
They are actually VERY forgiving.
I've harvested sclerotia with my bare hands and
separated the colonized rye.
Threw the grains in a cereal cup (didn't even washed it out), cased
with 50/50+ and it produced just fine without any contamination.
This being said I will never recommend the "Neglect Tek" to anyone!
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Pits althought the myc may dominate; if there's a single contam present it will probably show
Last seen: 15 itself in that time period. I've had jars turn bad after 4 months fully colonised. I like to use
days, 7 hours LC or agar as I think the risk of airborne contams is less when transferring, not a big G2G
fan really.
Cool, glad to know you've done it successfully, thanks man. I know the sclerotia will be
clean, my concern was more whether it would produce myc easily. I will get started on my
LC's now, hopefully silencing some doubters along the way.. lol (You know who you are!!
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"I do this all the time, it works great.

Why wouldn't sclerotia be "clean" if you pull it from
a sterilized jar of sterilized substrate?"
This make sense. Thanks SS.
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normal
Gornyhuy calculate your substrate
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substrate. To be honest I'm not 100% sure mine were contaminated, they were between 4
and 6 months and just weren't quite right so I tossed them. This has only happened to me
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Same jar, Both sides.
I also just found a pf cake with a stone that grew around a fungus gnat larva and
sandwitched it on the glass. NOM NOM NOM.
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i think it is.
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Great guide
I had a small amount of ATL spore solution, so I made an LC and colonized some bags
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I've only read the OP, but I'm sure the whole thread is awesome. Great job, reallly, and
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All the LC's turned out great (except one which went a little cloudy...), I think it's a great
way to grow this strain as you can be fairly genorous with LC and get them going fast. I
wondered if the sclerotia would out-perform the grains so did a little experiment.
I tried half the LC jars with colonised grains and the other half with actual sclerotia (10 jars
total, 5 of each). There was no noticable difference between the two. I just tranferred with
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days, 7 hours sclerotia LCs? I'm fairly sure even a semi-fresh stone (properly cleaned) would produce
viable tissue from it's centre. I imagine some folks can get stones but not colonised grain,
say from a vendor...
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Good point ego, but do you reckon it would be better technique (perhaps less
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TBH I'm not sure which way would be better as I've only tried this once so far. If these all
colonise without problem then I'd be hesitant to change the method really, if it ain't broke
etc etc...
I have a purpose bought pair of extra-long needle-ended tweezers, I think if you're in and
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days, 7 hours print tek and you're obscenely clean!!
I think that in the instance of say ordering fresh-ish stones online, and making an LC from
there, it might be a good way to go. A quick soak in H2O2 followed by an extraction of
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Maybe try a variation of CloneUFC's clone tek?
Take a fully hydrated stone, dip in h2o2, place in new ziploc and close it. In a few days you
will see new myc growing from the stone. Transfer to agar or whatever and you are good-
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Post your results and let us know. I think I'd still prefer going straight to LC unless you
wanna go to agar first. Even in that instance maybe a straight-forward tissue>agar would
be preferable, the fewer transfers the fewer contams IME. I think most agar plates would
provide sufficient moisture to hydrate a small stone.
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post (2:1 rgs:water/coffee by volume), but i feel like its too much liquid in there. as i
mentioned, i already got 2 jars that are chilling out for 3 weeks now and there i didnt
actually measure the amount of water or rgs, i just did as i felt was right - and ended up
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Welp! It took about a month for growth to show, but here it is!
First the jar of dry stored stones.
The stone hydrating:
The stone placed in a zip-lock.

Pics of the stone TODAY!
The stone was harvested in May of 2010, dehydrated, and placed in a desiccant chamber.
Then stored in glass and refrigerated until last month. So we now can see that sclerotia
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Last seen: 4 years, i would like to know if anyone tries nothing but plain brown or white rice for growing P.
5 months
Mexicana (A). i appreciate all the fancy teks, but personally, i am not into mass-production
or another time-consuming hobby. i just like to grow once every few years for personal
enjoyment, and i don't use a pressure cooker, nor do i have the space for one (i live very
minimally in a very little home with very little space). i have done PF tek successfully in my
one and only 1.5L stainless pot with a glass dish cover using 1/2 pint jars. my personal
interest is to know if anyone else has tried just plain white/brown rice (w/water of course) in
a 1/2 pint jar, no pressure cooker, and then injecting some Karo LC into it to grow
sclerotia. or, why this would definitely be a bad idea.
i'd like to see bare-bones poor-man simplest possible primitive sclerotia tek - that works
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PF Tek works great for sclerotia! Shoot up some jars and put them away for later.
There's less verm than you'd think. You can make tea and filter it if it's still too much for
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i have seen instructions that say "75ml of whole white rice + 100ml of water": but this is for
white rice (1:1.5 rice:water ratio), brown rice seems to be 1:2.25, rice:water. i think you
want the grains cooked to "perfection", not too dry, not overly wet or overly cooked, ie, as
plump and fluffy as possible without bursting and sticky. so, i would think package
directions would be the way to go.
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1/2 pint jar with: 60ml whole brown rice, 135ml water,
with a tiny hole in the lid covered with electrical tape.
the jar is then covered with aluminum foil and placed into
a 1.5L stainless pot with a glass plate cover, with 2 inches
of bath water, then at the lowest heat possible on a gas stove
(flame barely alive), it will boil gently in several minutes,
and according to directions, brown rice should be done in
about 30 minutes (white rice, about 20min), and it should be
sterile too. probably a good idea to make it a few times
until the method is done well, before inoculation.
at least, i never had contaminants doing this with PF-tek.
then when everything is cool, take some P. Mexicana-A

from Karo-LC culture (20ml Karo + 200ml water), using
a sterile syringe (boiled in foil for 20min like Karo LC),
and after heating the needle red hot, some LC is drawn and
injected thru the electrical tape on the lid of the rice jar
(a major contamination-danger step, because of the air rushing
in to fill the vaccuum in the jar). the rice jar is then
quickly covered again with the foil and a new piece of
electrical tape is placed over the hole just made in the
LC lid with the syringe.
EDIT: alternatively, this looks like a better method, ie, cooking rice first, then sterilizing it
with a layer of vermiculite on top ... http://forums.mycotopia.net/rice-teks-whole-
grain/10558-whole-rice-substrate-verm-cased.html
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ps. i haven't come across this, but not having a fancy glove box or anything, in the past i
just ran an ozone machine. after that, i simply used a little 4W UVC light in the operating
area (should wear some kind of glasses if you do that). i don't know the facts on how well
they sterilize the surrounding air, but i never had contaminants in 20+ LCs/PF-teks, doing
all transfers in open air with no special sanitizing (other than flaming a needle), never
using anything more than 1/2 pint mason jars, electrical tape, and aluminum foil sterilized
in a little pot with glass plate cover. either i was lucky, or lived in an unusually clean home,
or Ozone/UVC lighting does a really good job of sterilizing a work area in open air. of
course, i always made sure to have freshly cleaned hands.
as a test, i did sterilize 1/2 pint of white rice 3 months ago as stated above, and let it sit in
a cabinet without any innoculations, and to this day, there is no contaminants growing in it.
i would hope that 1/2 pint jar would produce 1 dose of sclerotia.
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Last seen: 4 years, not to get off topic, but UVC has no penetration power at all, plus it creates ozone, and
5 months
much less than 1mm of almost any material will block it (even a few feet of air, depending
on the lights power), and it can't penetrate skin deeply enough to cause any bad cancer -
but it can cause cataracts (as in mountain climbers). UVC does not alter DNA in the same
way as UVB (which has greater penetration power, and can cause cancer), and the
damage UVC causes to DNA has not been shown to be cancer causing in studies (the
body either repairs the DNA well, or the cell dies). though i did read one bad report about
it causing cancer once in nude mice which have very thin skin, and they were subjected to
UVC in an intense and brutal fashion. we should aim for the truth - for example, i was
flustered the other day to see the "organic health nut crowd" say that Propylene Glycol
was a big evil and carcinogen in many foods and products including "aircraft de-icing &
anti-freeze!!!" - when it is about as safe and non-toxic as water. i wanted to reply "water is
chemical used in toilets and sewage treatment! and you drink it! yuck!"
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Great post Shaggy. I love when a question gets answered, and thoroughly.
I was just going to add that anyone who can make an LC for stone production should do
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I was just going to add that anyone who can make an LC for stone production
3 months
should do so.
The ones I noc'd and mentioned earlier in the thread are going mad. They
were producing stones at around 15% colonisation, so guessing I should get a
decent haul at some point.
LC is the way forward with strain, the myc is fatter, faster and healthier too.
im gonna knock up 2 jars today, one with my LC i made some weeks ago. its a nice fuzzy
ball in there
hope im successful, the last jar got cobweb - when i realized it it was already sporulating
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Basically, what tactic do you use to stretch this stuff out as much as possible?
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Is a few drops to agar an option?
Normally, I would suggest a BRF cake as the safest way to get a print,
but Jalisco is not typical. It kicked my butt the first time, but I
kept some genes so I am trying again.
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I am trying to take it one step at a time. LC seems like a good option b/c I have a stir plate
and stir bar for yeast cultivation, basically I understand the concept.
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The fact is that they can be tricky though.
A BRF cake in a SGFC would be the safest route, but we need a Jalisco
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Ahh....yes, I am a spore-whore. I want prints!
If stones are good for you, then rye berries are the way to go.
(or wheat berries, or some other grain that you can look forward to eating ;0)
In fact, I think that I could see my way clear to trying MS on grains,

with the intention using G2G transfers to more jars. This way if only
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Yeah, dog, this jives just fine. This makes great sense since the stones develop in the
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How much spore solution do you inject (one quart jars per RR's RGS Tek)?
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Bro, if you could open the jars and use an eye dropper, then I would say
about 1-3 drops....but you can't. As little as 0.5 cc ought to work.
Do not shake these after inoculation! Do not even jostle them about.
You will want the spores to be in the same area so that they can mate
and make the die-carry-aught-ick
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Very nice Stone I haven't seen this thread before.
Did you start using Manure/coir because of me? I thought I was the only one that did that
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why not proceed with normal technique and use the stones / possible fruits later to
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Yeah that works great Doc. See my earlier posts in this thread.
I still think you should try and make some LC straight away fbi365, the difference in growth
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Never shake sclerotia jars IME. The myc doesn't recover as healthy and stone production
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it will start out white, then start changing colors, i love the looks of stone producers
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You don't need a flowhood to do good sterile work.
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loving this thread, those are some lovely harvest pictures :P
Someone was discussing on here about starting a liquid culture by dropping a stone into a
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you take a sterile syringe and suck up a little of a new liquid culture, wipe a stone with iso,
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I read this on a another thread on here and to me that would seem the most sterile way of
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Interesting idea, I can envision the syringe getting blocked though and you wouldn't be
able to flame the needle..
I use flamed/alcohol'd fine tweezers to move grains/stones to LC jars, I think it's the
quickest way with least air exposure. I imagine it would take a minute or 2 to get your core
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Yo I got some stone jars I knocked up in like the beginning of Feb, they're producing but
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Those look fine for Mex A, there will still be moisture in the grains, don't worry IMO.
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Thanks, there was some moisture in the bottom and I tilted it and got the excess water on
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I am trying his Gymnopilus right now. It is not the easiest

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Just wanted to add a little note about the benefit of patience when fruiting Mex A (I assume
most sclerotia species are similar... correct me if I'm wrong, SS).
I harvested some stones about 4 weeks ago, left a few with the grain then did a straight
casing, no added substrate.
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days, 7 hours I know these guys will take longer than cubes, but I was kind of giving up hope for this tray.
So basically my message is: hang in there and give the little suckers time, you may be
rewarded even if things look less than spectacular for a few weeks.
I'm just using a SGFC, with a little extra fanning/misting each day. Can't wait to harvest,
gonna try a stones+Mex A combo, hope they will compliment each other nicely.
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Just wanted to add a little note about the benefit of patience when fruiting Mex
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a couple more and they look super-healthy and vigorous.
I know these guys will take longer than cubes, but I was kind of giving up hope
for this tray.
So basically my message is: hang in there and give the little suckers time, you
may be rewarded even if things look less than spectacular for a few weeks.
I'm just using a SGFC, with a little extra fanning/misting each day. Can't wait to
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I've used coffee grinds at about a 10:1 ratio to verm/coir/manure.(as in 10 parts

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Don't add too much, it is more of a substrate additive than an actual bulk..
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well done egodeathflux I bet you were pleased to get some lovely little fruits in the end
I have got some jars inoculated with mexicana A. i used a multi-spore lc. It has been
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XD although i used 3 different liquid cultures to inoculate them. I cant believe my luck.
If anyone could make any suggestions i would appreciate any help, i might post pics at
later date, but they are fully colonized just with out any stones
My plan of action now is to put some spores from the syringe onto agar and try and
isolate a stone producing strain
great thread sunstone i read your beer brewing thread as well awesome
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well done egodeathflux I bet you were pleased to get some lovely little fruits
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Could it be that i have ended up with a non fruiting set of strains? I have 50
jars like this XD although i used 3 different liquid cultures to inoculate them. I
cant believe my luck.
If anyone could make any suggestions i would appreciate any help, i might
post pics at later date, but they are fully colonized just with out any stones
My plan of action now is to put some spores from the syringe onto agar and
try and isolate a stone producing strain
great thread sunstone i read your beer brewing thread as well awesome
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I'm sorry bro, but that does not look like sclerotia mycelium. I think you should try casing
one of those jars and see what kind of fruit pops up. My bet is that you will get cubes.
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thanks for the replies, I may well have to fashion a SGFC and try and get some fruits! The
mycelium did start very whispy Trade
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I'd agree that myc looks too thick and cotton-y for sclerotia strains, though my only
experience is with Mex A... Often times with LC I've had stones forming at 50%ish
colonization.. Got my original syringe from MRCA too, it worked fine..
If it turns out to be cubes then I'd hit them with an email and see what they can offer you.
Usually pretty good customer service from sponsors, mention you're on Shroomery, that
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well it would be the simplest reason why i havent seen any stones. I still have some of the
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soon.
I dont have much time atm but I've managed to whip up a few little casings, just with 2 inch
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ps. when you made your liquid culture, was it from an isolate, clone, or just from the spore
syringe? anyways take it easy brovah, and enjoy that harvest!
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Made several batches of LC, some from fresh stones, others from colonised grains..
Maybe some from the ms syringe too, I can't recall.... Got a little sloppy/lazy with that
batch, they all seem happy though!
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Hey SS or anyone else, can you give me a vague idea of potency of Mexicana fruits
compared to P. Cubensis/P. Sem?
I'm thinking of trying some out this weekend and not sure how many to eat or not eat..
Can't really find a definitive answer with the search engine, though I seem to recall reading
somewhere they were slightly more potent gram for gram than cubes.. Any thoughts?
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, amazing thread StoneSun, if only every
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Hey thanks!
And thanks for participating in it.
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Hey SS or anyone else, can you give me a vague idea of potency of Mexicana
fruits compared to P. Cubensis/P. Sem?
Unfortunately I can't help you in potency questions.

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I have had Mex-A fruits as potent as Pans but the next time I tried them it took 6g(dry fruit
bodies) to get to lvl3 . So after many doses with these I say less than cubes but
sometimes with fresh you will get more than you expect.
Another note I have NEVER hit a lvl5 trip with any stone producer and I have taken
enough stones and fruit bodies. So I wouldn't worry about going over board with these.
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Will instant coffee work just as good as brewed coffee for sclerotia on RGS?
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"just as good" == I doubt it.
It might add some of the same nutrients though...
You will want to weaken it, a great deal.
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Cheers CH, been too busy to try anything yet. Sounds like fresh might be a more
interesting way to go then...
I can't imagine getting anywhere near level5 on stones alone, know someone who did
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Sorry StoneSun but I need to share this.

The largest stone I have ever grown it is over 20g my small scale only goes to 20g but My
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joyous experience of trying philosophers stones ONCE and would love to grow them to
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sorry, the question was supposed to be are spore prints still active and how do i make a
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sorry, the question was supposed to be are spore prints still active and how do
i make a spore syringe. Got all excited at seeing this thread and my fingers
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days, 7 hours So it took me a fewweeks to find the time but I now have some 1st hand info on the
strength of Mex A fruits.
I took 1.4g, 12 large dried fruits. They are definitely stronger than cubes, though not quite
as strong as Pan. Cyans/Tropicalis. I would equate the 1.4g to around 2.-5-3g of Cubensis.
The overall high/effect was very similar to the stones with the addition of far more
pronounced and bright visuals.
The come up was fairly mellow and presented itself with uplifting body high and general
euphoria. Found a definite drop off in potency at exactly the 2 hour mark, I put this down to
the smaller size of the fruits and presumably an increased digestion rate compared with
larger cubes.
Taste of fruits was similar to cubes though not as pronounced, easy to eat.
They seemed less introspective and more bouncy than cubes, CEV were more fractals
than full on shifting scenes or real images. Still fun to watch and drift with. OEV's were less
strong than CEV, generally just gentle flowing of surroundings accompanied by very
enhanced neon/bright colours.
I will probably move up to 2.5-3g next time, in another few weeks, I can't trip too often
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do those two wholes are always with out poly fill ?
Yes.
That's my normal mono-procedure.
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I am a bit confused about the casing. Perhaps someone can help. I have a nearly
colonized bulk substrate of Coir/Verm/Gypsum the species is P. Mexicana/Jalisco. Do I
add the casing layer when I introduce into fruiting conditions? Or is that casing layer
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Do I add the casing layer when I introduce into fruiting conditions? Or is that
casing layer supposed to be colonized?
Yes, you case it when your bulk is fully colonized.

Introduce fruiting right after that.
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I'm still experiencing failures with ATL#7, wherein I get small pinsets that fail, then after a
dunk I get some nice heavy pinsets, but they also fail. I've gotten so close to having them
reach maturity (2-3 inches tall, caps starting to open) but never had one fully mature. It's
frustrating. I'm now trying a bit less FAE, and more light. I've also just fruited colonized
rye grains of these for the first time, instead of RGS.
My question: when I spawn cubes to coir, I give the top coir covering a good misting before
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These suckers seem pretty thirsty, in that my really good pinsets seem to come after a
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Well, andy it's kinda the same debate with Panaeolus species.
Some say misting is a no-no (after pinning), some swear by it.
I've done it both ways - both ways succeeded.
I've ALWAYS mist the casing layer prior to pinning, and
after I see pins, well it's a matter of how I feel about it.
In this lates mono-grow I did not mist at all after pinning (5th day without).
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I can add that I also heard of the never-mist-the-pins thing

and one of my ways around it, at least in my own mind,
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I've been misting my Mex A. fruits for weeks, they are still flushing nicely. They are in a
SGFC and I give it a good mist most days after removing the trays. I'll then check the
trays, touch the casing and if it's not soft on top, they get a couple seconds from a
pressure mister, doesn't seem to be hurting them at all.
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Introduce fruiting right after that.
So I peeked into my mono today and say several pins ranging from 1/4 inch to an inch. It
was still in colonization. Should I still case it? Will it destroy the pins? What should I do?
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Casing before 100% colonisation seems to lead to contams 100% of the time IME.
I would probably let them grow and pick them. Case when sub has done it's thing. Never
done them in a mono though, only trays.
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I just started a Psilocybe Mexicana (Jalisco), using this Tek as
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mexicana(A) is a good stone producer.
LC its just a another vector for contamination and an unnecessary step when you start
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You mis-read, I started Nov 1st. But I will wait & see. Also, I am
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I've lost my Jalisco culture a while ago, and having trouble

lately to produce a good culture on agar.
Even the promising ones do not perform well on grains
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Here's my experience on the matter (on a scale 1-10 10 being the best):
P. galindoi/ATL#7 - stone production 7

- fruit production 8
P. mexicana/Jalisco - stone production 2
P. mexicana/A - stone production 10
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If I want the best over all stone/fruit producer, gotta go with ATL#7.
Tampanensis being my second choice.
With the mex/Jalisco got very few stones but fruited beautifully.
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Even the promising ones do not perform well on grains
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This describes my Jalisco experience pretty well. I have started
new spawn jars using some new genetics from a good cultivator,
so hope springs eternal.
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This describes my Jalisco experience pretty well. I have started
new spawn jars using some new genetics from a good cultivator...
How's the Jalisco doing, JD?

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Hey SS,
They are going well.
I got some clean quarts, and have two cycles of sacks going strong.
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Here is one:
Next up is six pretty much identical blocks that are clean at about
three weeks and should make it fine.
Then I have nine additional quarts that I G2Ged to and that are clean so far.
So, I expect Jalisco to fall, and right soon at that!
Take care,
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Wow !!
What a guide
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Could I get some ideas on how to use sclerotia with bags? I don't think it's been covered in
the thread....
I've read that LC is a risky way of going about inoculating bags as you can never know it's
clean, and just shooting the spores takes ages to colonize....so the options as I see it are:
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*not sure if it is possible to do small grain jar straight from spores, was trying to skip the
jars tbh as it brings all sorts of filter questions into the mix which the bags would solve by
having built-in filters.
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If I understand the question...
If you use just a synthetic filter disk and a jar ring,

your grains will dry out.
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Is it jar lid + filter + jar ring OR jar ring + filter?
Its Jar lid(Flip it updside down, seal up) + filter + jar ring...
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Its Jar lid(Flip it updside down, seal up) filter jar ring...
I prefer bags. What size and how many holes do you put in your jar lids under the filter
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I have been using one 1/4" hole.
I have confirmed that four such holes will lead to

dried out grain on the top.
(I know that some use 2)

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Thanks Javadog, I'll try that in the future. In the past, I guess I was using too large of an
opening and experiencing the drying out issues, hence, the reason I switched to bags...no
problems since then. :-)
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no worries.
I love bags too. I ponied up the dough for 1000 and

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Stonesun, I love you man.
This thread helped me fruit Galindoi previously; tonight I spawned some Mexicana and
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Thanks for the tek, I just ordered Mex A and ATL#7 from sporeworks.
I think I read here that the trip is different between the stones and shrooms of the same
sclerotia species, which was new info to me.
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I am aware that Cervantes likes the sativa-like trip of Mex A as he puts it, and that ATL#7
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I'm 2 years late, but the tek is still awesome. Thanks for all the work it took to share this.
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Loc: UK Yes, thanks sunstone, i refer to your great work regularly. I have just completed my first
Last seen: 4 years, ever grow (of any mushroom species) - harvested a few stones from a pint jar, fruited, and
3 months later harvested a greater quantity of stones from the spent substrate.
I had less success with my quart jars (no stones in jar, but seem to be fruiting ok!), the
grains showed less vigorous growth and appeared very dry. I have been using 2 x 1/4inch
holes which i think are too much for my very dry airing cupboard. The pint jar had 2 x
1/8inch, and of course doubling the diameter is *quadrupling* the area.
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Just wanted to add to this and thank stonesun for the invaluable info!
In my experience I've found atl7 to be the best stone producer without a doubt but have
has no luck yet fruiting them, I'm currently in a Mexicana A grow and they have produced
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I def agree no larger than a 1/4 hole on your jar lids plus your layer of filter or polyfill
otherwise you will find the top layer def dries out, with a bunch of extra Mexicana jars from
September '12 you can already see the top later getting dry- please let me know if this will
pose a major problem when I try to fruit those
But if you have a good lid, I've got ones from sep that are now at 5 months, and they g2g
well if you find yourself out of spores
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I've only eaten stones and fruits from Mex A, I would definitely agree that the trip is Sativa-
like from the fruits, while the stones would compare more to really clean, mild MDMA IMO.
I have eaten other stones, but only bought from stores, they used to be widely available in
the UK, and I've had them on a couple of visits to Amsterdam/Netherlands, they were just
sold as "Philosophers Stones" though, so I couldn't say what 'strain' they would have been.
Definitely had different qualities to the Mex A I grew though, but it's hard to tell what is
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Stones certainly have a different feel to fruits of any kind though, they tend to be more
easy to handle, I have friends who adore stones, but would never eat mushrooms again.
I think a lot of it has to do with the consistency of stones, the more solid structure allows
for a slower, more mild come up I think, whereas fruits, especially with them being so small
are digested and effective very rapidly by comparison.
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Sclerotia are definitely my favorite and watching stones form, especially on agar is...
beautiful!
Thanks SS and all the others who love these amazing stones...
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I have ALWAYS had a higher percentage of contams with coffee in my stones, usually
several months in too, so not just sloppy work as far as I can tell.
I also found that jars without coffee would produce smaller but more abundant stone
formation, ending up with larger yields.

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Yeah it would make sense, but I'm not 100% either, tried finding an answer in a few places,
but can't find anything definitive.. This may be an RR, Alan Rockefeller, Stone Sun type
question I think..
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Would dark rye flour be a good substrate? Its the only thing I can find atm, Bob's red mill
brand and organic. Would i still need gypsum?
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Gypsum is a nutritional supplement and will be beneficial whatever size the grain is
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Yea I realized that a little too late. Would it be feasible to use whole brown rice in
combination with the flour? or would moisture level be a problem? If anything I'll just get
some wbs.
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I'm getting close to hopefully trying to fruit - can I just confirm that seed starter mix will be
ok for a casing layer, and I need to pasteurise it NOT sterilise?
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...this being said, since the successful pumpkin guts grow I tend
to be less boisterous on the topic. :0)
With enough verm even maple syrup would make a useful sub, I suppose.
Really, if you want spawn, then you want a grain with hull intact.
If you want PF-Tek cakes, then most any flour can make a workable,
if not as beneficial, substitute.
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That gave me an awesome idea. Since I've already spent a pretty penny gathering all
these materials, anyway, I will spawn on a few different substrates to test which one works
best for me. This would also allow me to use all my spores at the same time without
having them fruit simultaneously. I shall do a very detailed write up soon after
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The problem with growing sclerotia on PF substrate is that vermiculite may end
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rock.
Its not that bad from what I've read. just maybe some poop problems at the very worst lol.
Idc rly, i love plants rocks and fungi
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Lmfao ive heard about that. You know there's 4 karat gold pills for glitter shit online?
Insane.
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Most of it looks ok but the wbs in my jar is clumped into one side and i cant shake it. Safe
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WBS can tend to clump. You might be ok if the moisture

level is not too far off.
You can add some gypsum and/or verm to WBS, after prepping but
before PCing it, to reduce clumping.
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Posts: 4 Well after much searching I have to say that it is not easy to find the spores for Psilocybe
mexicana. It seems that many sites dont sell the varieties needed to grow stones and the
ones that do are sold out. Bummer !
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take a look at the sites sponsors. they are there for sure. I know of two off the top of my
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8 months
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Yes, you can mix and then PC.
You will need to get the amounts down.
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Since last post is kind of recent, I have a few comments:
My Mex A strain I ordered and bag I opened after 4 months didn't produce sclerotia. Well I
just made tea out of the bag and the trip is real nice. But anyway, is this common?
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I also dried some sclerotia from the jar and made a liquid culture from some slices, so that
should work anyway.
But I'm puzzled about my Mex A: all three bags I have do not seem to be producing
sclerotia 4 months in, and I was hoping to do some liquid cultures from it. I got the syringe
from a Sponsor: does anyone have any advice on how to isolate a sclerotia producing
strain from the initial syringe?
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spiral staircase #18346422 - 05/31/13 12:06 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16250690#16250690
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Aficionado #18348715 - 05/31/13 01:42 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)
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Since last post is kind of recent, I have a few comments:
My Mex A strain I ordered and bag I opened after 4 months didn't produce
sclerotia. Well I just made tea out of the bag and the trip is real nice. But
anyway, is this common?
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I sliced some wet sclerotia and tried to transfer it to some rye berries,
wondering if that would work?
Not the best method, but it should work.
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I also dried some sclerotia from the jar and made a liquid culture from some
slices, so that should work anyway.
Did you dry the sclerotia before slicing and transferring it to a LC?
I've edited out the Vendor name from your post.
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Yeah I dried them first thinking they would just rehydrate in the LC. Was this not good to
do? I read someone dried a mushroom and then cloned it via an LC so I figured it would
work with sclerotia.
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Dried specimens/fragments should always be started on agar.

Even if you're succesful to revive, cloning dried tissue in a LC will most likely contaminate.
You can take a fresh sclerotia from one of your jars and drop that in LC however.
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sclerotia will
form before full colonization of the substrate. This is perfectly normal.
If you inoculate with LC, the mycelium usually just rips through the substrate
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I didn't see the answer to this if it was asked. Do we want sclerotia to form before full
colonization? Is there a difference in yield if the substrate fully colonizes by LC inoculation
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I've read through this VERY excellent thread (and nice book, thank you Stonesun), I know
regarding Galindoi we have referred to ATL#7 many times. Anyone have any experience
on "Psilocybe galindoi (galindii) var. Georgia : Truffle King(TM) " ? I would appreciate your
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They're the same. ATL#7 is part of the variety name, and it's pretty much the only one,
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VIOLET - I very much appreciate that explanation!
Imma call it like it is, Galindoi ! hehe Thank you.
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Also, they do seem incredibly resistant to contams. We read the part about "Neglect Tek"
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How many "generations" can you g2g without running into problems?
Is it necessary to transfer sectors to try to find an isolate or can you wait for sclerotia to
form, then isolate? How long does it take for sclerotia to appear on agar, and do all
sectors eventually form them or just the good ones?
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How many "generations" can you g2g without running into problems?
Is it necessary to transfer sectors to try to find an isolate or can you wait for
sclerotia to form, then isolate? How long does it take for sclerotia to appear on
agar, and do all sectors eventually form them or just the good ones?
thanks!
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21º56'00"W Generally when I g2g, I expand rapidly (ie. right after 100%) about 1:5.
You could easily do over 3000 jars before any "problems", assuming you'd
do 5 transfers.
I rarely start isolation from spore inoculated plates.
Fruit, clone, isolate is my preferred procedure.
In this case, if you're going for sclerotia production however you can
definitely start with spores, wait for sclerotia to form and clone/isolate from that.
As for how long will it take, weeks to months
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SS, have you tried rehydrating the grains after harvesting the sclerotia?
I'm curious as to your opinion.
My Galindoi performed excellent but I have little basis for comparison.
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If you inoculate with LC, the mycelium usually just rips through the
substrate
and stones will form after 100% colonization.
Either way you should see stones soon.
I didn't see the answer to this if it was asked. Do we want sclerotia to form
before full colonization? Is there a difference in yield if the substrate fully
colonizes by LC inoculation as opposed to stones forming before full
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As far as my question on how many generations can you g2g, what I was getting at is
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Are you wondering about trying to grow more stones Frank?
I can say that I have spawned the grains after removing the stones,
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Can I still g2g if the stones in the master jar are the size of a pea? What would happen if I
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A week is not nearly long enough to wait for even colonization to complete.
People will let stones develop for as much as six months or longer.
You can always G2G a fully colonized sub, independent of stones.
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size of an almond or larger?
Also if you don't get stones after a week of full colonization of a MS

quart jar is it best to pitch it and start over with a good isolate?
A week is not nearly long enough to wait for even colonization to complete.
People will let stones develop for as much as six months or longer.
You can always G2G a fully colonized sub, independent of stones.
Good luck,
JD
I mean like, a week after the quart is fully colonized, should I give up? Were talking MS
here.
Can you rephrase the sentence: You can always g2g a fully colonized sub, I really don't
know what you mean here? G2G means grain to grain, like quart jar to quart jar, are you
referring to a substrate? Not sure how that ties in, thanks for the reply this is really
important to me.
Hey check it out we have the same shroomery birthday!
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There will be no problem G2G with stones.

When you inoculate with MS, stones will usually form
before full colonization anyways. G2G that sucker.
It's perfecly fine to have stones in the spawn/substrate.
What I always try to say is that I get the best fruiting results
when I have less/almost none of visible scelrotia in my spawn.
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So essentially, if you spawn to bulk at ~ EXACTLY 100% colonization; when there are
no/small/minimal amount of sclerotia, you've had better/more prolific fruiting?
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What I want to know is why it's problematic to shake a partially colonized jar, but it is ok to
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It's not problematic.

I've said that I've had problems before when I shaked.
Nowdays I don't shake when I don't feel like shaking, especially with
spore inoculation. I do shake when:
#1 I feel like shaking
#2 Agar wedge inoculation
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Makes sense - probably has something to do with the effort/nutrients/etc.
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SS: "Some say it's OK some say don't do it.

I've done it with success, but failed a few times too."
What exactly happened with the failed jars?

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Did the "failed" jars just not produce sclerotia?
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Did the "failed" jars just not produce sclerotia?
No, they usually failed to further colonizing, ie. stalled.
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(P. mexicana/Jalisco rye berries spawned to pasteurized

coir/coffee/verm/gypsum )
(P. tampanensis spawned to pasteurized horse

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months, 4 days You can spawn your grains to any pasteurized manure or coir based bulk
substrate.
My favorite mix is horse manure/straw/coir/vermiculite/gypsum (40/20/20/15/5).
Let your bulk colonize, case and fruit it as above.
So what I hear you sayin is...
It is possible I can spawn these species to straight coir?
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Hey stonesun your the best man if it wasnt for you i wouldnt be here right now, but try
recycling some of your jars, you might like the idea of getting multiple flushes with nothing
bigger than a quart jar haha.
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Hey stonesun your the best man if it wasnt for you i wouldnt be here right now,
but try recycling some of your jars, you might like the idea of getting multiple
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Not the time or place to disrespect stonesuns work with petty discussion.
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You started it dumbass. Go be a fag on mycotopia or something. Not here.
Especially giving bad information. You're a disgrace to mycology.
Ban him.
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So (by the way, awesome write up) in a nut shell, after you harvest the stones, you can
throw the remaining grains in your trays or fill the bottom of your monotub up and case it (if
so how deep would you fill your tub)? Or you can spawn it to a bulk sub (CVG or
manure)? Just add a 1/4 casing to whichever method you do and bring to fruiting
immediately after casing? Thanks for reading 5 for you buddy.
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Yes, you should spawn to bulk. Cased grains with sclerotia will produce but poorly. You will
ultimately want to spawn to bulk and case. Love stone producers!!
Stonesun is the man when it comes to everything sclerotia.
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oops my bad i thought i qouted that, sorry psilo i will get use to it soon enough lol
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oops my bad i thought i qouted that, sorry psilo i will get use to it soon enough
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Man there are so many fucking ridiculously awesome threads on this site hahahaha.
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The yield would've been so minimal, I didn't bother.
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Put some spores on agar last week so hopefully put in a LC soon. I may do a a jar too for
G2G too. With the length of time needed to produce clean procedure has never been so
important.
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Nice grow. Is that a new style mono tub?
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no i gapped the fuck out on it and didnt' even have hoels till fruiting so i melted some in
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and just fan aand mist? These need high humidity right?
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Id like to know what you think to using this method to expand and use for P.mex.
I also want to use 2 2 quarts jars for stones and then try a mono.
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Got a jar that's 4 weeks old and has been 100% for atleast two weeks
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Did you do any agar work first to isolate a stone friendly line of genetics, or just MS>LC
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I will clone stone and isolate later. Im pretty sure that would hae the so called genetics
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Thank you very much for your help
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Oof.
I prepared my Pasty cups with red food dye, without the foresight that they would be used
a month down the line for Galindoi isolates. Distinguishing the subtle brown tones on the
red agar was basically impossible. It wasn't until I performed a close autopsy on my agar
that I saw that I had missed the choice transfer on the plate. My new outgrowths look
rather white, wispy and harmless.
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Thanx for a great guide/tek. You make it feel so doable that even a noob like myself can
and will try it, as soon as I get my hands on some spores.
Gonna try it on popcorn substrate, my new favourite grain.
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when you st8 case grains do you put it straight into fruiting conditions? Ive been reading
alot about this recently and many are doing so with mono tubs.
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#24127669 - 03/01/17 04:45 AM (10 months, 14 days ago)
Thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge Stonesun!
Did anyone try growing Jalisco, for fruit purposes only, in bottles?
If so what substrate depth should be applied?
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cant wait to try this... is the effect much different then the mushies or is it the same just in
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Printed out this tek. PDF is killer. Have a Jalisco jar and Galindoi Atl 7 on agar. Look
forward to the grow of both.
This may not be the most popular subject on the shroomery but this is SOLID GOLD
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Thanks stonesun
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Hey Stonesun, any idea on how ATL#7 does on oats instead of rye, stonewise?
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Whole oats may be before stonesun's day. Having used quit a bit of both grain types, I
don't have any reason to believe whole oats would be inferior to rye in any way that would
be terribly noticeable for ATL#7. Will be finding out very shortly, because I have several
happy fruiting cultures of ATL#7 currently happening all generated with supplemented
whole oats.
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Exactly what I thought. Thanks! Def going for oats.
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Be sure to use this in the future, fucking brilliant man!

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Wilco, i hope to trade for some atl#7 soon.

Im just learning about stones an they soon to be something cool for a special occasion.
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I never get to #24419289 - 06/20/17 01:25 AM (6 months, 27 days ago)
touch no monkey
Awesome Guide! Thank you for spending the time to post it and sharing your experience
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Loc: Sun & Sand This is my very first grow. Yes, that is right, you have a new born asking big boy questions.
Inoculation was one month and 4 days ago. Everything is going very well so far. No
contamination. Love watching the stones grow. The Jalisco stones are very small and just
starting in some of the jars. The Tampa stones are Huge in all of their jars. Is this normal?
I'm cultivating Tampa, Jalisco and Pan Cyan Cambodian. I was looking for the first two
Psilocybe on your list but could not find them in syringe form.
I want to fruit the Tampa and Jalisco. After they've fruited a few times, is that when I should
harvest the stones or keep using them to fruit more if I desire to do so?
I've noticed a big difference in how fast each jar is colonizing. Some are close to "ready to
go", others look like they have at least another 2 wks, maybe 3.
What will happen to the fully colonized jars if they have to wait another few wks for the
others to fully colonize? Any issues? Risk of contamination? ..or will this be beneficial?
I'm using this mix. As a noob I thought it best to use pre-made. I'm not ready to make my
own substrate.
½ Pint Substrate Jars

•Natural Organic Brown Rice Flour
•Vermiculite
•Mineral Water
•Liquid worm castings
•Bee Pollen
I only have Verm. Is that ok to use as my 1/4" casing?

I ask because you don't mention it in your list for casings.
I also have a bag of Jalisco rye berry seed that is strictly for stones and don't plan to touch
for at least 4 months or until it's ready to burst. I'll try to fruit what grain is left.
This info is just more of an fyi because I feel I'll get the "why don't you just use grain bags"
from the community. So yes, I'm also doing it.
Edit: They are in a room that is a constant 77-81'F and 42-51% humidity.
The Cambo's colonized Super fast. All but one jar is ready to go.
Thanks in advance,
Joe
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this normal?
The first two are Tampa, the second two are Jalisco and the last three are Pan Cyan
Cambo.
Fruiting was my intent for both Mexicana's. Can I still fruit the Tampa's with all those
stones? Do I dunk and roll them with all those stones?
I don't think the Jalisco will be an issue to fruit. But they do need more time to fully
colonize.
Pan Cyan Cambo... As you can see in the pic there is a yellow circle, they started to show
about 4 to 5 days ago. What is it? It looks like a stone (a light beige color) but they don't
produce.
I had one of these jars start colonizing a full month after being Noc'd, the others started
within 3/4 days. It's colonizing fine now but a full month??
Anyone have an opinion about why it took so long?
I'd like to birth all of them at the same time but some look like they need a lot more time,
Can I keep the others on the shelf (dark room, no light, 77-80'F, approx. 42-46% humidity)
until all have fully colonized?
All comments and opinions welcomed.

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bacterial, fruiting in the jar, producing stones, and ready to be fruited.
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I Noc'd these on 5-16.
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You PM-d me to comment your grow.
Looks good. BUT
If you want to make eatable sclerotia, you should grow them on grains, not a PF-cake like
mixture, pretty hard to clean them. With grains it does not matter if you eat a grain kernel, I
don't know what happening with the vermiculite in our digesting system
Casing: anything is cool, what is aerate and humid. I prefer coco coir, but vermiculite works
well.
You can harvest some fruits from a tub. In my experiences they a bit more resistant than
cubes, but a little slower from pin to harvest. If a little green mould occur, harvest the fruits,
and then crush the substrate for stones. You don't need the mould grow around the
stones.
If panaeolus discolours, it's old and ready to spawn into some mannure/coir mixture.
If you do these on grains you can shake the jar, when there is a little uncolonised territory.
3 days and you ready (2 with pans)
These are my experiences, and my ways, yours works to as we can see. So the choice is
yours.
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Used the tek here from start to finish...all I can say is thank you Stonesun.
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Awesome! Hoping to do sclerotia next, after my cubes! This is great info. Thank you!
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Also I seem to remember RR stating that spawn bags were bad ideas for stones due to the
filter eventually letting in contams after a couple of months because it is too thin?
Has anyone experimented with bags and had good results? If so is LC > g2g for this?
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Grain/BRF Substrate Preparation (From

Rye Grass Seed (RGS)

Wild Bird Seed (WBS)

Brown Rice Flour (BRF)

P. tampanensis sclerotia forming on BRF substrate

P. galindoi sclerotia on Rye Grass Seed

P. tampanensis colonizing on Wild Bird Seed

This is basically identical to RR's Rye Grain Preparation with the

I start it by brewing a full pot (2 quarts) of strong coffee.

Prepping the coffee/water soak

While the water/coffee is heating measure out your rye.

Rinsing the rye and adding it to the coffee/water

Boiling, straining and drying the Rye Berries

Now they're ready to load into jars.

Now you can load the jars in the pressure cooker.

Jars before & after sterilization

Spore print and spore syringe of P. mexicana

P. galindoi mycelium on LME/DEX LC

P. galindoi and P. mexicana on agar

Rye inoculated with agar wedge

Now just set it and forget it!

Some "young" jars (less than 30 days)

P. mexicana/A rye jars around 60 days

P. galindoi rye jars around 60 days

Stones harvested from RGS and rye berries substrate

P. mexicana/A sclerotia harvested from rye

P. tampanensis sclerotia from manure based bulk substrate

Cased Grain Substrate:

P. mexicana/Jalisco fruiting on cased RGS

P. galindoi/ATL#7 fruiting on cased Rye Berries

Pins should appear within 10-14 days in optimal fruiting conditions.

Grains Spawned to Bulk Substrate:

P. mexicana/Jalisco rye berries spawned to pasteurized coir/coffee/verm/gypsum

P. tampanensis cakes drying

P. tampanensis cakes dunking and cased

Alternative Fruiting Method:

Shred the horse manure with a small food processor.

Prepping wheat straw

Ingredients for the substrate

Mixed and hydrated substrate

Prepping the spawn bags

Bags before and after PCing

P. galindoi bag fully colonized, top cut off and cased

Harvesting & Spore Printing:

P. galindoi harvest from BRF

P. galindoi caps printing

An other good method is to use a plastic shoebox.

P. tampanensis caps mass-printing on foil in a shoebox

Thanks for reading

Edited by stonesun (12/11/10 09:00 AM)

Amazing article, beyond words my friend.

Great guide stone sun !

its cool that you took the time to do this .

i sense a TC tag some day soon.

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My only gripe is where is this dude's TC TAG!¬!!!!!!!