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So did you get the other stuff

Im just flicking on the film 93

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What is that

Just film card had Winton /duPont films but you cant have both

Right

Now have you got get

the

Ive got it here the whole time

The whole time

The whole time

Its better when the screen moves when move you get

Yeah its widened out little bit

havent set up this super hand thing where start low then it out of focus
goes

Sure

Lets do own type you now macro

Camera stuff.Cutaways no dialogue

sound of keyboard
c435 SZ
Where was that repository on Warp

in
Actually slash slash pub

Off of Warp

Yeah its actually mounted on to

Oh really

Yeah do you want me to change something

Ah no Ijust need you to go.

sound of keyboard

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What can he think

Whats that

Its about time.

You got it

Yeah

Yeah got this as Christmas gift It was one of those fun gifts that its cute

object

George Lucas ..happy

Its cute object and its got this thing that

little
pops out you got little storm

troopers that come out of it and you got this little pilot all right ..so its sitting

stormtrooper You got this thing that where there

it
ayou got little pilot in Its

2soo1itsnitelIi..a1iccasjJjy4ue..Qbjeaapubose things

that lets
you know lets
you know youre working in the Valley O.K

Ah not much ah just checking with you to make sure everythings copposetic

Im reading all the

changes that went in the last 24 hours on Tinderbox and

caught one fuck up of It compiled and everything but it made coding error

Oh

Im going to try to get some more eyeballs on this ah later on as well talked to

Masheeth and Mathsheeth is actually ah wanted to know if

you might be able to

get some of the ah 405 ah layout bug fixes in told him to cue it
up and would

review ah Spence few more changes

it is
putting in and Slams got some things

coming and RJCs got couple of bug fixes coming has asked for
anyone you

approval lately

No

O.K

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It looks like all the approvals are bastard

going through you you lucky

Yeah but ah No shit gotta code view all the fucking things

Urn. .1 think that were also going to have couple of XFT fixes in and Paul is

trying to fixed urn.. You dont think youre going to get the FTP fixed Shit

FTPs broken on the Mac we cant fucking figure it

out its pretty narly

O.K

Can you hold on for second

Sure

Grand Central

Hey Chris its Lloyd

Yeah whats up

So urn. lets see so the tag was wrong Are you guys still using the tree or

should shake and bake

it it
again

Urn. were done pulling you should shake and bake again Ijust sent you
it it

some E-Mail theres file for the Mac thats made

missing It never it over to the new

repository That would be bad because it us from building its just like its like
stops youre

whatever script you used to make the new repository just missed that file

Huh let O.K let rne go look and see why

Yeah have feeling its because theres in the name

spaces

Oh O.K Well urn.

And probably doesnt for those And theres

your script escape also another file that

needs to be added to the new as

repository binary

O.K that wasnt was it did it use binary

Originally in the old repository wasnt marked

it
as binary but it should be rnarked

as binary in the new one

O.K Allright

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And that will that will its not fixed that you from building
if will stop

O.K So Yeah Why dont you just make it in the old repository and
binary it will

work Itll next time will

it
run my script it will be right

Ah dont know how to do that

Ah CDS admin/KB mean

Oh really thats it

Oh heck if Id known that would fixed it

ages ago

Good for UNIX

Yeah Aliright hang on second Keyboard sounds All right what am doing

CDS admin

Dash KB all mm
Why did O.K so Ijust did CDS stat on that file and it doesnt show the

You got to do another dash

Oh O.K

and the file name will

Oh O.K Yeah Yeah etc O.K

So you didnt know what happened with the

missing file

Ah is that
part worth it on the module let me look and see whether its on the

modules mean is it
part of the module right

Yeah its part of the module its um...Ns Jib Mac and its run time so theoretically

you pull the whole directory and you should have gotten that file

dont have run time as part of my.. oh NS its NS run time have NS run time

why wouldnt it that when O.K Whats source

pull the You sure its part of modules the

other one was

Yeah

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Hang on hang on. Im. Im getting it

did DIP the tree out of M-source and the tree out
didnt find it until actually on

of pub and went hey look Theres file missing

Thats bizarre

kind of evil on the Mac cause what happens is due to the search
Yeah its really

use the one thats like part of the

path weirdness if it cant find the one on the tree itll

default Metro works distribution

And that and

And then thats just instant build death

This is really strange because a. pulled that directory Im going to scrap that

existing repository lets see if we can figure this out scrap the existing repository

and run it
again and Im going to send you list of files that urn urn.

O.K yeah just send the mail to the usual suspects when you have the repository

rebuilt again

O.K Great

All right bye

Hey Don

Hey well really like the elevator music assholeS.

Its like have Lloyd on the phone and like went off took off and went wait

minute Dons still on the phone

ask followed bit of that

you about so little trail
was going to Lloyd anyway.

building thing

What building thing

from the sample repository that he created

building

Right

Hows it
looking

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Ah well we fault
couple problems one was my fault and there were couple

other Mac specific issues that hes tracking down right now what hes going to do

is hes he made repository earlier this morning we tried building with that weve had

few problems hes going to and one and

try recreate now that one will be ready at five

oclock and well try again

O.K Does he need any help with the Mac specific stuff or you covered
got it

Ive got him covered

All right SIm figuring that well probably all try to take um if we do shut

down at five Well take and make

try to all poll there sure the clients coposettic

that we dont have any like gaping hole in it from all the changes we made

Right

.and is Lloyd planning on working tonight Are you working from home of

here

Hes working from home

Oh O.K It shouldnt make

any difference where the hell hes at actually

Right

guess after five guess once we declare it O.K

Uh ha

Weinsteins going to start his review

security

O.K

Weinsteins needs to be in the loop on closure

Right so Weinstein would probably

actually want to pull from the new public

repository

He might even want to pull from the new public repository or he wants to see the

tarball thats in it
Why dont you let Lloyd know that he should -- next time you talk to

Lloyd let
Lloyd know that he needs to give Weinstein the and the of
knowledge options

what he wants to do

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OK
Its actually
probably better if he pulls from the to do it
repository

Right Exactly because that represents what the worlds gonna see in few days

OK How late do you team

figure your is probably gonna be here

dont know havent talked to them about it

yet know Im gonna be here till at

least seven because of traffic

just constraints

Yeah same here Im not gonna leave here before seven oclock or it would be

idiotic Aah things are starting to wind down were like

finding bugs It really does

suck if Mac-FTP will be broken but..

Have you figured out why that is is it like in SPR or Net-live

Yeah exactly Its action between NSPR2 and Net-lit Its what Net

process not being called..

That would be bad

The odds are bad but then again..

Well you know its not..

...figure it out why like even on Monday we cant always post patch right up after

tree goes out

If
you find the problem in SPR its not like we dont have our own local tip

version of NSPR We can probably just check in the fix

Yeah no kidding

So if the change made

needs to be in the NSPR think you should
file
go ahead

and go for it

Yeah that what we said

already Also Paul knows that. where Gordon Sheridan

is and hes here today so we dont have problem there Its just finding the interaction..

Yeah cause NSPR is this big multi-threaded beast

Right and well in Net-lives you know squirrels run in and out of that
tree

gathering nuts..

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Oh yeah thats new one hadnt heard that one

just call em like see em OK..

Yeah Twenty-five minutes till the next meeting

Aliright Ill talk to you then.. Left him on hold 08

Ji Where do things stand at this moment and how does .7

it look for

switch-over on Monday and Tuesday

Its looking
pretty good right now that there are lots of last-minute
changes

regulating the tree last-minute bug fixes and in about half an hour were gonna into big

and were
meeting gonna make call as to whether we think we can go with what weve

got Today weve been doing some test runs on new repository that will hold the new

sources that will be publicly available and weve already turned up few problems flushing

out some in the

bugs creation of that new repository Were gonna have White make

another crack and

at that
try to see if we can iron those out and then were looking pretty

good so.. all kind of depends Theres of legal

couple things that are going on with the

source code that will come up 330 meeting

at the From pure technical we
standpoint

are looking pretty good

Can we actually see what clean repository looks like Is there such

thing as a..

Well not at this moment cause.. Lloyd took tack-nook

just to the old one
so hes gonna be that in few minutes
rebuilding takes about
Actually it
two hours to

rebuild new one

And when its built is there sort of

any thing that says Hey its

built other than its on the CVs.. on Bonsai

you could see that its all

green or --
Tinderbox rather

No actually those tools need to get switched over to the new repository once its

done And right now the

delay we know that the new repository thats been created its

light sends us mail

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The repository is here but hes from

controlling it his office

From Santa Cruz yeah

Where is the repository In big building

Its in big data center in

Building One Theres probably couple of hundred

machines there and theres whole bunch of network appliance boxes which are nothing

more than big disks and thats where its physically And you can get access to that from

anywhere on Netscape or you have

campus dial in you can dial in

Can somebody actually point out what drive the repository is on

Yeah You can actually do that Theres of physical boxes
couple you can actually

point to

OK Well see you at the 330 meeting

OK Have you actually even seen the data center

have We were there couple of weeks 111 33 ft

ago

The one in
Building One
JA
Yeah Weve in the one in the Building affectionately known as the

Build-Pit What happens here

This is kind of like sacred ground for Netscape This is the area of the company
where we create builds that
eventually get pushed out to the FTP site and get distributed all

over the world Its been

big hub of activity
--
big it is
right now for the source release

cause were also

manipulating the tree clean
doing up on the files to get them ready to go

out to the public so... This is the area where developers see what
congregate the latest

status is so they continue with their work Its quite often 24 hours week that
days

theres something going on here

Is this sort of the of Netscape

nexus Before has
it goes out it to

clear this hurdle it has to be approved for overall quality and.. It puts

people who work here in some sort of status in

special that they have to

communicate their you know any problems theyre having with the code

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that there between

ships the people who work here and the engineers

who write the code for the browser

Yeah Software development is much

still
pretty an art-form So theres lots of

different things that

developers will try when we are working in
rapid development

environment like we are here we do things kind of on the fly occasionally and so theres

that kind of interaction

something is not working in some code that the
developer will

submit and theyll wanna turn around and make

quickly some adjustment to it and then get

that of updates into

set
testing So there are penalties which are enforced on developers

when they make mistakes and there are of bottles of tequila and other
gifts
gifts that show

up when developer has made mistake and theyve come for some help to try and clean

up what theyve done so.. Theres pretty good relationship between the rest of the

development team and the build and release team Cause we are kind of right in the middle

of all the activities that

go on between development and the QA and the
groups marketing

groups who are you know

twiddling their thumbs waiting for
something to get pushed

out and get it out to customers

So theres really problems to ensure that..

Yeah thats big part of it Its kind of the place where from
last
the development

perspective everything comes and

together has to fit as
together single package There are

lots of developers who are working insulated and

areas theyre code and they have

narrower perspective on whats going on But this is the that takes those pieces
group all

and puts them together and makes them into

piece of software that Netscape ships

It sounds like one of the...

think thats big part of the difference between just someone whos directly out of

college or hasnt had much experience in doing software development is transition and

development of to work
skills
on teams and communicate what they are doing and interact

with other And

developers thats critical to interviews
part that
people go through before

they get hired to work here to

is assess those skills and make sure they are working in that

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kind of environment because its required There is no one who can just go off and do

something alone by themselves and make an impact at Netscape

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