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LEE HARVEY OSWALD AND THE ITALIAN RIFLE -- convincing evidence that Oswald was framed

and did not shoot President Kennedy==

As of Jan. 2010, 'WIKI Answers' has been pervaded by official version propaganda. One recent example
was a question worded: What rifle did Lee Harvey Oswald Use to Kill President Kennedy? The question
was couched as an 'given' fact. The answer stated the usual--the Italian rifle. It was two sentences
long. At present, the answer has been improved to contain all the information in this article, as of Feb. 1,
2010.

Answer to the Wiki question: What rifle did Lee Harvey Oswald Use to Kill President Kennedy?

Controversy in the case resides in the fact that Oswald, and the rifle associated with the murder of JFK,
cannot be decisively linked to each other. Lee Harvey Oswald indeed was accused of using a 6.5 x 52
mm Italian Carcano M91/38 bolt-action rifle, serial number C2766. And it is true that the rifle was sold as
military surplus through Klein's Sporting Goods Company. However, records indicate that Oswald was at
work at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall at the time he supposedly mailed a money order and order form to obtain
the rifle. Oswald kept a meticulous work sheet, accounting for what he was doing every fifteen mnutes or
so. The order for the rifle was sent from a post office over 6 miles distant. Oswald's lunch period was too
short to have made the trip there and back, as he had no car and bus service to there did not exist.
Further, Oswald never left his workplace with others. The order was sent from Dallas to Chicago, IL but
arrived, somehow, the very next day, even though it was not sent air mail. Atop that, the order was filled
that same day and the rifle was shipped the same day --we are talking about some 24 hours of elapsed
time between Dallas and the rifle getting shipped out-- a physical impossibility at the time.
The serial number of the money order form used shows it was issued late in 1963, not in 1962. The order
form was also sloppily written, when Oswald, in fact, due to problems with dyslexia, always carefully
printed out such forms. A second order form, for a revolver 'discovered' later, is carefully printed, as if
forgers finally learned how to create a better forgery. Belief that the order form was manufactured to
frame Oswald is also based on the fact that no box of cartridges was ever found in Oswald's possessions,
and that only four bullets could be found. It implies that Oswald never fired the rifle before Nov. 22nd
because he had no ammunition. Complicating the matter is the fact that several Dallas police officers
originally found a MAUSER, not an Italian rifle, on the 6th floor. See the Youtube videos below: as so
many others, the man who made this video "committed suicide." He was honored as Officer of the Year
before he got in trouble for testifying, after which he found himself treated badly, and finally, out of a job
with the Dallas police.

Researcher Gil Jesus has presented a well-regarded list of ten problems with the “killer rifle” as belonging
to Oswald, including this argument:

Reason #1: MORE THAN ONE 6.5 MANNLICHER-CARCANO RIFLE EXISTED WITH THE
SERIAL NUMBER C2766

The 40" rifle currently in evidence is not the only 6.5 Mannlicher-
Carcano with the serial number of C2766. On page 250 of his book,
Kennedy and Lincoln, the late Dr. John K. Lattimer said the following:

"In l974 and l975, my sons and I had conducted a series of experiments
using a 6.5 mm Mannlicher-Carcano carbine,
model 91-38, serial number C2766, equipped with an Ordinance Optics
Company four power telescope exactly like Oswald's."
But Lattimer's wasn't the only 6.5 Mannlicher Carcano with serial
number C2766.

Reason #2. KLEIN'S SPORTING GOODS BOUGHT MORE THAN ONE 6.5 ITALIAN
RIFLE WITH THE SERIAL NUMBER C2766

In volume 11, page 205 of the Warren Commission Hearings, Louis


Feldsott, president of Crescent Firearms, in a sworn affidavit to the
Commission, claimed that he was contacted by the FBI on the evening of
November 22, 1963. They requested that he check his files to see if he
had any records concerning the sale of an Italian-made 6.5 mm. rifle
with the serial number C2766. When he checked, he found that he had
records indicating the rifle was sold to Klein's Sporting Goods on
June 18, 1962. This information of the 6.5 rifle with the serial
number C2766, he said, was conveyed to the FBI on the evening of
November 22, 1963 and all records of the purchase, sale and
transportation of the weapon were given to the FBI.

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh11/html/WC_Vol11_0108a.htm

In their tracing of the shipping records of the C 2766 rifle, however,


the FBI makes no mention of the June 1962 sale. They cite, instead,
the February, 1963 sale of 100 rifles from the same dealer, Crescent
Firearms, to Klein's. In that shipment is a list of the rifles' serial
numbers. Included in the list is a 6.5 rifle serial number C 2766.

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh21/html/WH_Vol21_0361b.htm

But thanks to the affidavit of Louis Feldsott, we have evidence that


Klein's bought two C 2766 rifles from Crescent Firearms: one in June
1962 and the other in February 1963.

I'll get back to the June 1962 rifle later. Right now I'd like to
concentrate on the February, 1963 rifle.

Reason #3. THE FEBRUARY 1963 RIFLE SHIPMENT WAS FOR THE 36" RIFLE, NOT
THE 40" RIFLE.
The FBI traced the sale of the 40" C2766 rifle backward and claimed
that it was a part of a shipment of 100 rifles weighing 750 lbs. that
was sent to Klein's from Crescent Firearms in February, 1963.

But one researcher found evidence that the shipment was for 36" rifles
ONLY.

In researching for her excellent article on the Oswald rifle, JFK


assassination researcher Martha Moyer checked on wooden shipping
containers used in transporting weapons, and found that all the
containers weighed between 16 and 20 pounds. The 36-inch weapon
allegedly ordered by "Hidell" was advertised as weighing 5 1/2 pounds.
The total weight of 100 such weapons would be 550 pounds. Added to the
weight range of ten wooden shipping containers the result would be a
total of between 710 and 750 pounds.

The delivery receipt from Lifschultz Fast Freight listed the freight
as 10 crates/cartons of guns/rifles and listed the weight at 750 lbs.

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh21/html/WH_Vol21_0359a.htm

Had the shipment been of the 40" rifles, at 7 lbs. each, the total
weight including 160-200 lbs. for the crates would have been in the
860-900 lb. range.

Instead, the 750 lbs. consisted of 10 crates at 20 lbs each ( 200 )


and 100 rifles at 5.5 lbs. each ( 550 ) In other words, the shipment
received by Klein's in February, 1963 was indeed a shipment of 36-inch
weapons.

http://www.jfklancer.com/pdf/moyer.pdf

Reason #4. THE RIFLE "HIDELL" ORDERED WAS THE 36" RIFLE
Waldman Exhibit 8 is a copy of the order blank used by "A.Hidell " to
order the rifle from Klein's. On that order form, taken from the
February, 1963 edition of American Rifleman, one can see that Oswald
ordered catalog # C20-T750,

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh21/html/WH_Vol21_0364b.htm

which is the 36" rifle as advertised.


One can also see that the 40" rifle had a different catalog number,
C20-750. [above]

Reason #5. THE SHIPPING MANIFEST INDICATED THAT THE RIFLE THAT WAS
SHIPPED TO "HIDELL" WAS THE 36" RIFLE
Waldman Exhibit 7 is the copy of the shipping manifest that
accompanies the rifle when shipped. It clearly states that the catalog
number of the shipped item is C20-T750 and not C20-750.

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh21/html/WH_Vol21_0364a.htm

The ONLY difference in the catalog numbers is the difference between


the 36" rifle and the 40" rifle.
How important was the catalog number to the folks doing the shipping ?
William Waldman, VP of Klein's Sporting Goods, told the WC that the
catalog numbers for rifles ordered with scopes were different than for
the same rifle without a scope and that the different number described
"the rifle, scope and mount". ( 7 H 362-363 )
Reason #6. THE SHIPPING MANIFEST INDICATED THAT THE COST FOR SHIPPING
WAS FOR THE 36" RIFLE.

The shipping cost is noted in two places, where it says "PP=1.50" for
the cost of Parcel Post, and again in the handwritten column where it
says 150. This is exactly the amount sent by "Hidell" to ship the 36 "
rifle.

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh21/html/WH_Vol21_0364a.htm

Reason #7. KLEIN'S DIDN'T RUN OUT OF THE 36" RIFLE UNTIL NOVEMBER,
1963

Klein's 36-inch Italian "carbine" was advertised in Field and Stream


from January, 1962 through November, 1963.

http://www.jfklancer.com/pdf/moyer.pdf

Which means, folks, that Klein's hadn't run out of them at the time of
the "Hidell" order.

Reason # 8. KLEIN'S DIDN'T START SELLING THE 40" RIFLE UNTIL APRIL,
1963

No 40" Italian rifle was advertised by Klein's in The American


Rifleman magazine from October 1962 through February 1963. According
to assassination researcher/author and former detective Ian Griggs,
the 40" "carbine" began to be advertised in The American Rifleman in
April, 1963. Field and Stream did not begin advertising the 40-inch
Italian weapon until September, 1963. It was from the November issue
that Dallas Postal Inspector Harry Holmes submitted his exhibit # 2 as
a "duplicate" to the ad "Hidell" ordered from . ( 20 H 174 )

Many of the Warren Commission apologists contend that Klein's shipped


a 40" rifle in lieu of the advertised rifle because they had run out
of the 36's. But the evidence so far indicates otherwise. In order to
believe that the 40" rifle was shipped to "A. Hidell", you must
believe ALL of the following:

a.) That Klein's shipped a different rifle without notifying the


customer that the rifle he ordered was out of stock.
b.) That Klein's shipped a different rifle than ordered without giving
the customer the option of a refund.
c.) That Klein's shipped a different rifle than ordered and used the
wrong catalog number.
d.) That Klein's shipped a rifle that was 40% heavier for the same
price as the rifle ordered and absorbed any additional shipping
charges and
e.) That Klein's shipped a rifle that had not yet been advertised yet
for sale and continued to advertise a rifle that they no longer had.

In my opinion, that's quite a stretch.

Reason #9. KLEIN'S NEVER MOUNTED SCOPES ON THE 40 " RIFLE

The Klein's employee who originated the idea of mounting a scope on


the rifle was Mitchell Westra. He told the House Select Committee on
Assassinations (HSCA) that Klein's only mounted the scope on the 36
inch MC. (HSCA interview of Westra 2/20/78)

The man who actually mounted the scopes for Klein's was William Sharp,
their in-house gunsmith. He confirmed what Westra testified to: the
package deal with the scope and MC rifle was used by Klein's to market
the 36 inch MC. (HSCA interview of Sharp, 2/21/78)

http://www.ctka.net/2008/von_pein.html

In addition, FBI expert Robert Frazier testified to the WC that in


order to ascertain whether or not Klein's mounted the scope on the
rifle, the FBI asked them to supply a duplicate rifle with a scope and
then had to tell Klein's where on the frame to mount the scope.

Mr. FRAZIER. We contacted the firm, Klein's Sporting Goods in Chicago,


and asked them concerning this matter to provide us with a similar
rifle mounted in the way in which they normally mount scopes of this
type on these rifles, and forward the rifle to us for examination. In
this connection, WE DID INFORM THEM THAT THE SCOPE SHOULD BE IN
APPROXIMATELY THIS POSITION ON THE FRAME OF THE WEAPON.

Mr. EISENBERG. Pardon me, Mr. Frazier. When you say "this position,"
so that the record is clear could you--

Mr. FRAZIER. Oh, yes; in the position in which it now is,


approximately three-eighths of an inch to the rear of the receiver
ring.
( 3 H 396 )

So the FBI told Klein's what "position on the frame" "the scope should
be in". Information that Klein's would not have needed had they
normally mounted "scopes of this type on these rifles".

It's clear from their ads that Klein's was offering the 40" rifle with
a scope. But the evidence indicates that the scopes were not mounted
"in-house".

Reason #10. THE SLING MOUNTS ON THE "BACKYARD" RIFLE ARE NOT THE SAME
AS THE SLING MOUNTS ON THE DEPOSITORY CARCANO

If the rifle depicted in the famous "backyard photographs" is the


rifle that "A.Hidell" ordered, then the rifle removed from the Texas
School Book Depository is not. The reason is that the rifle in CE 134
( an enlargement of CE 133-A ) shows a rifle with a front bottom sling
mount, whereas the rifle removed from the Depository is a rifle with
side sling mounts.
…The subject is covered on my youtube channel in a video entitled, "One
Rifle or Two ?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v_9pOsRL0o

CONCLUSIONS:

There was more than one 6.5 Mannlicher-Carcano with serial number
C2766. Besides John Lattimer's rifle, there's evidence that Klein's
bought two C2766's from Crescent Firearms, one in June 1962 and the
other in February, 1963.

I've discussed fully the February 1963 rifle. It is my conclusion that


the February 1963 shipment of rifles to Klein's was of the 36" rifle
and that one of those, serial number C2766 was shipped to "A.Hidell".
I base this on the evidence of the weight of the rifles and their
crates and the list of the serial numbers in the shipment. I also
conclude that "A.Hidell" ordered a 36" rifle and that he was shipped a
36" rifle. I base that conclusion on the fact that the catalog number
"Hidell" ordered was the same as the catalog number of the 36" rifle
with the scope, that the shipping manifest indicated that the catalog
number shipped was the same as the 36" rifle with the scope, and that
the cost of the shipping was the same as the 36" rifle.

I have found no evidence in the shipping documentation or in the


testimony that would lead me to conclude that "Hidell" was ever
shipped a 40" rifle or a rifle that weighed 7 lbs, 11 1/4 oz.
In fact, I have found no evidence that any other rifle was shipped to
"Hidell" than the rifle he ordered.

And now for the June 1962 C2766. What follows next is my own opinion,
it is speculative because the evidence that would prove or disprove
what I have to say no longer exists.
I believe that the 40" 6.5 Mannlicher-Carcano now in evidence is a
stage prop. I believe that this is the C2766 rifle that was sold to
Klein's in June, 1962, the rifle whose records were turned over to the
FBI on November 22, 1963, only to disappear (like much of the evidence
that didn't support the offical version disappeared ) into thin air.

I believe that the records of this weapon would have indicated who
purchased it and as such, would have revealed the identity of the
person or persons who framed Oswald. And because of this, these
records would never see the light of day.

In my opinion, the person or persons who were responsible for framing


Oswald would have had to know where he was living, his political
views, his weapons purchases and other pertinent information.

Roger Craig is attacked on the Internet by official version defenders, but look at the man and decide for
yourself. [See Joe Hall’s website on Roger Craig at:

http://www.roger-craig.com/

Documents signed by the other officers present who saw the Mauser substantiate the truthfulness of
Craig's testimony.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPIo8B...
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AqqNK...

The Mauser vanished. Why? Was it because the casings found in "the sniper's nest" were from an Italian
rifle and did not match the Mauser's bullets? You can see another rifle outlined in the video taken when
the Mauser was photographed in the video.

AN EASILY-COPIED SUMMARY OF GIL JESUS’ RESEARCH AS SHOWN ABOVE IS PRESENTED


HERE TO SEND TO ANYONE INTERESTED IN HE TRUTH ABOUT THE RIFLE THAT OSWALD
SUPPOSEDLY OWNED:
TEN REASONS WHY THE “KILLER RIFLE” DID NOT BELONG TO OSWALD

Reason #1: MORE THAN ONE 6.5 MANNLICHER-CARCANO RIFLE EXISTED WITH THE
SERIAL NUMBER C2766

The 40" rifle currently in evidence is not the only 6.5 Mannlicher-
Carcano with the serial number of C2766. On page 250 of his book,
Kennedy and Lincoln, the late Dr. John K. Lattimer said the following:

"In l974 and l975, my sons and I had conducted a series of experiments
using a 6.5 mm Mannlicher-Carcano carbine,
model 91-38, serial number C2766, equipped with an Ordinance Optics
Company four power telescope exactly like Oswald's."

http://i45.tinypic.com/2hmingh.jpg

But Lattimer's wasn't the only 6.5 Mannlicher Carcano with serial
number C2766.

Reason #2. KLEIN'S SPORTING GOODS BOUGHT MORE THAN ONE 6.5 ITALIAN
RIFLE WITH THE SERIAL NUMBER C2766

In volume 11, page 205 of the Warren Commission Hearings, Louis


Feldsott, president of Crescent Firearms, in a sworn affidavit to the
Commission, claimed that he was contacted by the FBI on the evening of
November 22, 1963. They requested that he check his files to see if he
had any records concerning the sale of an Italian-made 6.5 mm. rifle
with the serial number C2766. When he checked, he found that he had
records indicating the rifle was sold to Klein's Sporting Goods on
June 18, 1962. This information of the 6.5 rifle with the serial
number C2766, he said, was conveyed to the FBI on the evening of
November 22, 1963 and all records of the purchase, sale and
transportation of the weapon were given to the FBI.

http://www.history-matters.com/archiv......Vol11_0108a.htm

In their tracing of the shipping records of the C 2766 rifle, however,


the FBI makes no mention of the June 1962 sale. They cite, instead,
the February, 1963 sale of 100 rifles from the same dealer, Crescent
Firearms, to Klein's. In that shipment is a list of the rifles' serial
numbers. Included in the list is a 6.5 rifle serial number C 2766.

http://www.history-matters.com/archiv......Vol21_0361b.htm

But thanks to the affidavit of Louis Feldsott, we have evidence that


Klein's bought two C 2766 rifles from Crescent Firearms: one in June
1962 and the other in February 1963.

I'll get back to the June 1962 rifle later. Right now I'd like to
concentrate on the February, 1963 rifle.
Reason #3. THE FEBRUARY 1963 RIFLE SHIPMENT WAS FOR THE 36" RIFLE, NOT
THE 40" RIFLE.

The FBI traced the sale of the 40" C2766 rifle backward and claimed
that it was a part of a shipment of 100 rifles weighing 750 lbs. that
was sent to Klein's from Crescent Firearms in February, 1963.

But one researcher found evidence that the shipment was for 36" rifles
ONLY.

In researching for her excellent article on the Oswald rifle, JFK


assassination researcher Martha Moyer checked on wooden shipping
containers used in transporting weapons, and found that all the
containers weighed between 16 and 20 pounds. The 36-inch weapon
allegedly ordered by "Hidell" was advertised as weighing 5 1/2 pounds.
The total weight of 100 such weapons would be 550 pounds. Added to the
weight range of ten wooden shipping containers the result would be a
total of between 710 and 750 pounds.

The delivery receipt from Lifschultz Fast Freight listed the freight
as 10 crates/cartons of guns/rifles and listed the weight at 750 lbs.

http://www.history-matters.com/archiv......Vol21_0359a.htm

Had the shipment been of the 40" rifles, at 7 lbs. each, the total
weight including 160-200 lbs. for the crates would have been in the
860-900 lb. range.

Instead, the 750 lbs. consisted of 10 crates at 20 lbs each ( 200 )


and 100 rifles at 5.5 lbs. each ( 550 ) In other words, the shipment
received by Klein's in February, 1963 was indeed a shipment of 36-inch
weapons.

http://www.jfklancer.com/pdf/moyer.pdf

Reason #4. THE RIFLE "HIDELL" ORDERED WAS THE 36" RIFLE
Waldman Exhibit 8 is a copy of the order blank used by "A.Hidell " to
order the rifle from Klein's. On that order form, taken from the
February, 1963 edition of American Rifleman, one can see that Oswald
ordered catalog # C20-T750,

http://www.history-matters.com/archiv......Vol21_0364b.htm

which is the 36" rifle as advertised.

http://i46.tinypic.com/15p0k7k.jpg

One can also see that the 40" rifle had a different catalog number,
C20-750.

http://i45.tinypic.com/1z6gjnb.jpg
Reason #5. THE SHIPPING MANIFEST INDICATED THAT THE RIFLE THAT WAS
SHIPPED TO "HIDELL" WAS THE 36" RIFLE

Waldman Exhibit 7 is the copy of the shipping manifest that


accompanies the rifle when shipped. It clearly states that the catalog
number of the shipped item is C20-T750 and not C20-750.

http://www.history-matters.com/archiv......Vol21_0364a.htm

The ONLY difference in the catalog numbers is the difference between


the 36" rifle and the 40" rifle.

http://i45.tinypic.com/1z6gjnb.jpg

How important was the catalog number to the folks doing the shipping ?
William Waldman, VP of Klein's Sporting Goods, told the WC that the
catalog numbers for rifles ordered with scopes were different than for
the same rifle without a scope and that the different number described
"the rifle, scope and mount". ( 7 H 362-363 )

Reason #6. THE SHIPPING MANIFEST INDICATED THAT THE COST FOR SHIPPING
WAS FOR THE 36" RIFLE.

The shipping cost is noted in two places, where it says "PP=1.50" for
the cost of Parcel Post, and again in the handwritten column where it
says 150. This is exactly the amount sent by "Hidell" to ship the 36 "
rifle.

http://www.history-matters.com/archiv......Vol21_0364a.htm

Reason #7. KLEIN'S DIDN'T RUN OUT OF THE 36" RIFLE UNTIL NOVEMBER,
1963

Klein's 36-inch Italian "carbine" was advertised in Field and Stream


from January, 1962 through November, 1963.

http://www.jfklancer.com/pdf/moyer.pdf

Which means, folks, that Klein's hadn't run out of them at the time of
the "Hidell" order.

Reason # 8. KLEIN'S DIDN'T START SELLING THE 40" RIFLE UNTIL APRIL,
1963

No 40" Italian rifle was advertised by Klein's in The American


Rifleman magazine from October 1962 through February 1963. According
to assassination researcher/author and former detective Ian Griggs,
the 40" "carbine" began to be advertised in The American Rifleman in
April, 1963. Field and Stream did not begin advertising the 40-inch
Italian weapon until September, 1963. It was from the November issue
that Dallas Postal Inspector Harry Holmes submitted his exhibit # 2 as
a "duplicate" to the ad "Hidell" ordered from . ( 20 H 174 )

Many of the Warren Commission apologists contend that Klein's shipped


a 40" rifle in lieu of the advertised rifle because they had run out
of the 36's. But the evidence so far indicates otherwise. In order to
believe that the 40" rifle was shipped to "A. Hidell", you must
believe ALL of the following:

a.) That Klein's shipped a different rifle without notifying the


customer that the rifle he ordered was out of stock.
b.) That Klein's shipped a different rifle than ordered without giving
the customer the option of a refund.
c.) That Klein's shipped a different rifle than ordered and used the
wrong catalog number.
d.) That Klein's shipped a rifle that was 40% heavier for the same
price as the rifle ordered and absorbed any additional shipping
charges and
e.) That Klein's shipped a rifle that had not yet been advertised yet
for sale and continued to advertise a rifle that they no longer had.

In my opinion, that's quite a stretch.

Reason #9. KLEIN'S NEVER MOUNTED SCOPES ON THE 40 " RIFLE

The Klein's employee who originated the idea of mounting a scope on


the rifle was Mitchell Westra. He told the House Select Committee on
Assassinations (HSCA) that Klein's only mounted the scope on the 36
inch MC. (HSCA interview of Westra 2/20/78)

The man who actually mounted the scopes for Klein's was William Sharp,
their in-house gunsmith. He confirmed what Westra testified to: the
package deal with the scope and MC rifle was used by Klein's to market
the 36 inch MC. (HSCA interview of Sharp, 2/21/78)

http://www.ctka.net/2008/von_pein.html

In addition, FBI expert Robert Frazier testified to the WC that in


order to ascertain whether or not Klein's mounted the scope on the
rifle, the FBI asked them to supply a duplicate rifle with a scope and
then had to tell Klein's where on the frame to mount the scope.

Mr. FRAZIER. We contacted the firm, Klein's Sporting Goods in Chicago,


and asked them concerning this matter to provide us with a similar
rifle mounted in the way in which they normally mount scopes of this
type on these rifles, and forward the rifle to us for examination. In
this connection, WE DID INFORM THEM THAT THE SCOPE SHOULD BE IN
APPROXIMATELY THIS POSITION ON THE FRAME OF THE WEAPON.
Mr. EISENBERG. Pardon me, Mr. Frazier. When you say "this position,"
so that the record is clear could you--

Mr. FRAZIER. Oh, yes; in the position in which it now is,


approximately three-eighths of an inch to the rear of the receiver
ring.
( 3 H 396 )

So the FBI told Klein's what "position on the frame" "the scope should
be in". Information that Klein's would not have needed had they
normally mounted "scopes of this type on these rifles".

It's clear from their ads that Klein's was offering the 40" rifle with
a scope. But the evidence indicates that the scopes were not mounted
"in-house".

Reason #10. THE SLING MOUNTS ON THE "BACKYARD" RIFLE ARE NOT THE SAME
AS THE SLING MOUNTS ON THE DEPOSITORY CARCANO

If the rifle depicted in the famous "backyard photographs" is the


rifle that "A.Hidell" ordered, then the rifle removed from the Texas
School Book Depository is not. The reason is that the rifle in CE 134
( an enlargement of CE 133-A ) shows a rifle with a front bottom sling
mount, whereas the rifle removed from the Depository is a rifle with
side sling mounts.

This list of evidentiary comments by Gil Jesus was Posted at


http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?
s=7014426ac28cba9212a766f803318374&showtopic=15318&pid=181317&start=0&#entry181317

Marina Oswald, Oswald's wife, at first denied that Oswald owned a rifle. Sequestered and kept
incommunicado from the public by the Secret Service, this Russian citizen feared deportation and had a
new baby only six weeks old, plus a little toddler born in Russia. If deported, the American-born baby
might well have remained behind in the USA. Marina, alone and isolated, soon said Oswald owned a rifle.
Later, she said she saw him firing it at leaves. At one point, she said he buried it in the ground to hide it
on two occasions. Next, she said he fired at general Walker in Dallas, though the bullet found there was
steel-jacketed. Though it could fit the 'killer rifle' it was incorrect ammo and might have jammed in the rifle.
te bullet did not match any of the casings found in the TSBD. Though some seven months had passed
with no leads in the case, Oswald was charged within a day of is arrest of also attempting to kill Walker.
He denied all charges. despite Oswald's denials, the Warren Commission concluded that Oswald sought
fame as the reason for killing Kennedy. Interestingly, Walker and Kennedy were ideological enemies,
poar opposites politically.

Marina Oswald's testimony regarding the walker incident had to be discarded because she also
mentioned that she locked Oswald in the bathroom to try to stop him from going out to try to kill a non-
present Richard Nixon, who was not in Dallas that day. Also, bathroom doors do not lock from the
outside. Only portions of Marina Oswald's story that the Warren Commission found believable to them --
concerning Walker-- were therefore used, even though a witness tstified that he saw more thanone
person at the Walker crime scene that night.
Still later, Marina said Oswald sat on a porch in full view of Magazine Street, New Orleans, dry-firing the
rifle for hours. She said he cleaned it with "pipe cleaners." In the end, when shown the rifle, she said she
could not identify it. Witness Judyth Vary Baker stated Oswald knew enough about rifles that he would
never have ordered a cheap rifle, sight unseen, that had the reputation the Carcano had. Oswald was
linked to the rifle by a fake ID card with the name A Hidell. But we now know that other persons also used
this fake name. They were all associated with the CIA.
Oswald's links to the CIA are now well-known, since the ARRB forced the release of thousands of new
pages of evidence. However, many hundreds of thousands of documents remain censored and hidden.
The official versions as supported on some websites focus on the evidence provided by the Warren
Commission and are rarely updated to include evidence released since that casts doubts on the
conclusion reached by the Warren Commission, which based its conclusions largely on information
collected by the FBI, CIA and Dallas police, though witnesses also gave information and evidence in
abundance to the Commission.
Interestingly, the Italian rifle was supposed to have been kept in Ruth Paine's garage for several months
wrapped in a blanket on a concrete floor where there was a lot of sawdust. No sawdust can be seen on
the blanket, however, that was photographed. Ruth Paine's home is where Marina Oswald stayed -- her
husband, Lee Oswald, lived in a boarding house much closer to Dallas. How the rifle got into the garage
can only be imagined, as Oswald was known not to have it on his person when he arrived, by himself,
later, after a trip to Mexico City involving only two suitcases and a small bag, none large enough to hold
the rifle even if disassembled.

We do know that Ruth Paine drove the car containing Oswald family belongings from New Orleans, along
with Marina and her daughter June, to the Paine house in Irving, Texas in early September, 1963,
supposedly also including the rifle, but the Paines and Marina claimed they never saw it. This is the rifle
that was supposed to have been brought by Oswald into the TSBD the day of the assassination, Nov. 22,
1963, but nobody saw it brought in, and a witness, Wesley B. Frazier, stated that a small package too
short to hold a rifle was the only one he saw with Oswald that day. He had driven Oswald to work that
morning.

A large paper bag that was described as the bag that held the rifle was never photographed at the crime
scene. It was indicated with dotted lines on photos later. This paper bag, supposedly 'found' at the
sniper's nest (though never photographed there, despite dozens of photos taken that day by officer
Studebaker) was analyzed as having come from paper cut from a roll at the TSBD, but no gun pressure
marks were on the bag, nor were there proper fold marks, though the bag was far too large to have been
sneaked out to take to the Paine garage without being otherwise noticed. The bag was almost pristine, as
if it had never had the rifle carried inside it. Also, no gun oil was found inside the bag, although the rifle
was described as "well oiled." A few fibers of blanket were supposedly found inside the bag, that could
have proven the rifle had been wrapped in the blanket, but the rifle itself did not have a single blanket
fiber on its surface. If the blanket had held the rifle, as claimed, the rifle would have had hundreds of
blanket fibers sticking to its various surfaces. There were none.

A palm print was announced publically as found inside a part of the unassembled rifle by the Dallas police
ONLY AFTER it was returned to them by the FBI, which had found NO fingerprints or palm prints on the
rifle whatsoever, though there is no doubt that the FBI had the best forensic crime laboratory in the nation
at the time. The Dallas police were better: they now said they had formerly found a partial palm print, and
also a partial print on the trigger guard. They said they knew of this before the rifle went to the FBI, and
that their scotch tape had removed the latent prints. However, they did not announce any of these prints
as in existence until after Oswald was shot and killed, even though much other false information was
released to the public, such as a statement that a map showing Oswald's plans to murder Kennedy had
been found. This turned out to be a lie, which has now been all but forgotten.
Another lie involved telling the public that Oswald, the purported killer, coldly and evilly ate a chicken
dinner and drank a soft drink while waiting for the motorcade. People wanted Oswald's stomach pumped
to prove he had done this, but this lie, too, faded away when it was found that a black man had eaten the
meal there only fifteen minutes before Kennedy was shot, leaving the bag at the so-called sniper's nest.
Since there was then not enough time for Oswald to have eaten any lunch, as the black man would have
seen him there, the chicken lunch story vanished. but between selecting ugly photos of Oswald for
newspapers (he looks much better on film), and telling these stories that had to enrage the public, Oswald
was immediately considered guilty by the public--it was set in their heads from all that they had been told,
true or not.
Concerning the fingerprints, it was later learned that a funeral director stated that the FBI came to the
mortuary and took palm prints and fingerprints from Oswald's dead body, and that he had to clean up
after them. He said the FBI were there for hours. Only after that were the prints announced to the public
and described as having been found on the rifle.
As for the paper sack that supposedly held the rifle when it was 'sneaked' into the TSBD building, the
employee in charge of the rolls of paper --used to wrap book cartons--that supposedly supplied the
material for the bag, said he never left his area and denied that Oswald ever took any of the paper.
However, we have a second bag, as Dallas police ARE on record as having made a 'duplicate' of the bag,
as the 'original' was messed up with fingerprint detecting solution. In other words, the only people to have
certainly obtained such paper from the paper roll were the Dallas police.

The blanket that supposedly held this rifle was found to have "Oswald's pubic hairs" on it. When
examined, the pubic hairs shown in official photos have no bulbs. That is, they are 'cut' hairs. We have to
imagine Oswald sitting on the blanket and shaving or cutting with scissors at his pubic area to get the
hairs on the blanket! For some time, Oswald was covertly accused of perhaps being a homosexual
because autopsy photos showed that his public area was entirely shaved off, but records have now been
made public showing the Dallas police shaved his entire pubic area (how humiliating). The police record
shows that Oswald's pubic area, chest, and arms were shaved by police to get 'samples.' These 'samples'
existed BEFORE the blanket's "Oswald pubic hairs" were 'found.'

Troubling is the fact that a paraffin test for nitrates was also administered to Oswald, with distressing
results for a case against him. Those who say paraffin tests are 'no good' for 'proving' that somebody fired
a gun or rifle must ask also, "Why, then, did the Dallas police use the test on Oswald?"
The paraffin test, still used today all over the world, showed nitrates on Oswald's hands. This was
reported to the public, and the public was told that Oswald had 'fired a gun' without explaining that there
were no traces of nitrates on Oswald's cheeks. A rifle such as the Carcano must be held close to the
cheek to line it properly for aiming and firing. The rifle was notorious for emitting a lot of nitrates that
would have plastered Oswald's face with the residue. The fact is that the public was not told that the
paraffin test was negative on Oswald's cheeks and that it was positive that he 'fired a gun' because of
residues on his hands (which also can come from handling books -- Oswald's job at the Book Depository).
These misleading statements were unconscionable. Boxes stacked at the "sniper's nest" were found to
have Oswald's palm prints on several, but he moved boxes there as part of his work. Interestingly, the
only unidentified fingerprint was identified only in this century by a certified and experienced fingerprint
expert as belonging to Malcolm Wallace, a friend of Vice President Lyndon Johnson who had been
charged and found guilty of murder (but Lyndon's influence resulted in a suspended sentence for
Wallace-- this was the state of affairs in a corrupt Texas in the mid-20th century). Fingerprints last only a
very sort time on cardboard boxes such as were in the sniper's nest, s we must ask ourselves what was
Wallace doing there?

Wallace has been linked to several assassinations for corrupt friends of Johnson. He was indicated as
having murdered at least one other person who was a threat to Johnson. You can access The Men Who
Killed Kennedy series (TMWKK) numbers 7-8-9 (The Smoking Guns, The Love Affair-Baker, and The
Guilty Men) to see the banned History Channel documentaries that show the viewer Malcolm Wallace's
murderous role, and other unsettling facts, that have been banned by the US media since 2003.
CENSORSHIP ON THE INTERNET: MANY SOURCES SHOWING OSWALD WAS INNOCENT HAVE
BEEN DELETED FROM THE INTERNE AS OF 2010.

UPDATE: SORRY, THE VIDEO BELOW HAS BEEN REMOVED, AS HAVE BEEN MANY OTHERS
THAT SHOW OSWALD WAS INNOCENT!
http://www.youtube.com/results?search...

HOWEVER, “THE LOVE AFFAIR” VIDEO IS AVAILABLE AT THIS WEBSITE (SEE INDEX OF PAGES).

To find all three banned documentaries online is now very difficult.

THEIR TITLES:

THE GUILTY MEN


THE LOVE AFFAIR
THE SMOKING GUNS.

UPDATE: THE DOCUMENTARIES LISTED ABOVE AND BELOW ARE NO LONGER REACHABLE
AT THE WEBSITES BELOW DUE TO CENSORSHIP (‘COPYRIGHTVIOLATIONS’ WHICH DO NOT
APPLY, HOWEVER, TO FRONTLINE AND OTHER VIDEOS THAT SHOW OSWALD AS ‘GUIULTY’):
You can also access them together, in one place, at http://www.doctormarysmonkey.com and at
http://www.judythvarybaker.com, as well as at other sites, such as at AOL Video, Filestube.com, etc.
UPDATE: UNFORTUNATELY, MOST OF THESE LINKS NO LONGER WORK BECAUSE OF
‘COPYRIGHT VIOLATIONS…’ THAT DO NOT APPLY, HOWEVER, TO MATERIALS TRYING TO
SHOW OSWALD AS GUILTY THA WERE PRODUCED BY THE HISTORY CHANNEL, NBC, ABC, ETC.

Oswald, also accused of killing Officer Tippit with the other firearm he supposedly ordered from Kleins
later (tough both weapons supposedly arrived in Oswald's post office box THE SAME DAY-- and by the
way, the post office 'lost' the pickup receipt that wuld prove it was Oswald who picked up the packages--
though they were supposed to hold on to them for some two years.)...You can view eye-opening
information about Oswald's ability to reach Tippit's location in time to kill Tippit HERE:

UPDATE: sorry, this video was ALSO removed—as have been dozens of other videos that show
Oswald was innocent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf8D6N...

"Did Oswald have time to make it to the Tippit murder scene ?"
Thanks to the Internet, we have [ HAD] information available that casts doubt on Lee Harvey Oswald as
Kennedy's killer. There is every indication that the question, as worded,
"What kind of rifle did Lee Harvey Oswald use to kill President Kennedy?"
is yet another way to influence readers to assume that Oswald killed Kennedy, when in fact, we cannot
link the rifle directly to Oswald due to evidence that cannot stand the scrutiny of time with the information
we now have. And we have not even mentioned "the Magic Bullet" or the fact the the Zapruder film has
been substantially altered. We now know, thanks to the research of Doug Horne, who was an appointed
member of the ARRB created by Congress, that the Zapruder film, when blown up to high pixel counts,
shows that the back of Kennedy's head was painted in black. Yes, painted in black! Right on the film! This
hides the explosion of blood and brains that came from the back of Kennedy's head when he was struck
by a bullet from the Grassy Knoll. Oswald's building was located behind Kennedy's car, not in front of it.
Horne's testimony and much more information about how Oswald was framed for this murder can be
found at Black Op radio in a broadcast available for free on the Internet in late 2009.
Besides the information above, providing exculpatory evidence that Oswald was framed and did not soot
President Kennedy, additional information is listed below, with a general focus on information
about relevant rifles, guns and revolvers:

(A) SNIPERS AND ATTEMPTS TO DUPLICATE THE ALLEGED SHOTS FROM THE TSBD 6TH FLOOR
WINDOW
(B) NEWS AND ARTICLES

Readers and contributors should keep in mind the general timeline and categories of interest:
(1) period of time before Oswald's return from USSR
(2) period of time between Oswald's return from the USSR and November 20, 1963.
(3) period of time from November 21, 1963 to Oswald's death
(4) period of time after Oswald's death, to present
(5) rifle and revolver sources and ammunition

Information about the 'paper bag' described as holding the rifle is on the page "PAPER BAG."
(A)
A Shooter Looks At The Shot Heard ‘Round The World

Recently I finished reading the definitive book (which I highly recommend) on the obviously,
government-sanctioned, JFK assassination. Written from the unique perspective of
a professional shooter, "Kill Zone: A Sniper Looks at Dealey Plaza," not only demolishes all
the arguments of lone-assassin proponents, but examines the myriad reasons why Kennedy
was killed.

“The reason I knew that Oswald could not have done it, was because I could not have done it,”
said former US Marine sniper, Craig Roberts. Credited with numerous kills while serving in
Vietnam , Roberts turned an objective eye on the shot heard ‘round the world. After he visited
Dealey Plaza, after viewing the so-called “sniper’s lair,” on the sixth floor of the book
depository, and after staring at the large oak tree overspreading much of Elm Street, Roberts
said, “I walked away from the window in disgust. I had seen all I needed to know that Oswald
could not have been the lone shooter.”

But Roberts, a retired police investigator, wanted to know what did happen. Not content to
dismiss the improbable feat, he delved into the crime from every angle.

“First, I analyzed the scene as a sniper . . . I looked at the engagement angles. It was entirely
wrong…Here, from what I could see, three problems arose that would influence my shots.
First, the target was moving away at a drastic angle to the right from the window, meaning
that I would have to position my body to compete with the wall and a set of vertical water
pipes . . . This would be extremely difficult for a right-handed shooter. Second, I would have to
be ready to fire exactly when the target emerged past some tree branches that obscured the
kill zone. Finally, I would have to deal with two factors at the same time; the curve of the
street, and the high-to-low angle formula—a law of physics Oswald would not have known.”

Not content with his own critical appraisal, Roberts turned to another, equally knowledgeable
shooter. “According to my friend, Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock, the former senior
instructor for the US Marine Corps Sniper Instructor School at Quantico, Virginia, it could not
be done as described by the FBI investigators.”
“Let me tell you what we did at Quantico,” Hathcock recalls. “We reconstructed the whole
thing: the angle, the range, the moving target, the time limit, the obstacles, everything. I don’t
know how many times we tried it, but we couldn’t duplicate what the Warren Commission
said Oswald did. Now if I can’t do it, how in the world could a guy who was a non-qual on the
rifle range and later only qualified 'marksman' do it?”

Of course, sergeant Carlos Hathcock was only the most famous American military sniper in
history, credited with a confirmed 93 kills. But apologists for a lone assassin, who continue to
enjoy mainstream media sponsorship 40 years later, continue to argue that an average
shooter like Oswald, using a decrepit, war surplus weapon, could have killed Kennedy. Case
closed.

(1) SOURCE: http://www.strike-the-root.com/51/herman/herman16.html


by Douglas Herman

(2) Period of time between Oswald's return from the USSR and November 20, 1963

(3) Faulty Evidence: Problems with the Case against Lee Harvey Oswald - retrieved August 10, 2009

Michael T. Griffith, noted Warren Commission critic, wrote this essay in 1994. Several issues are
addressed, including whether Oswald ever ordered the Carcano murder weapon and whether he ever
received it. The main problems he identifies with the first idea are that the money order was purchased
for the rifle at a time when Oswald was at work (citing Anthony Summers). Furthermore, though the order
was written in handwriting that experts said was Oswalds, there are forgers able to fool experts (My
comment: the forgery of Howard Hughes some years later comes to mind).

As far as whether Oswald received the rifle is concerned, Griffith points out that there is no proof that any
name other than Oswald's appeared on the form at the post office for authorized recipients. Also, the
Post Office rules in effect then did not allow the local post offices to receive a package for someone not
identified on the authorized recipient form. And yet the package allegedly had the name "A. Hidell" on it!
Also, Anthony Summers and Sylvia Meagher have stated that no one at the Dallas Post Office recalled
giving any package to Oswald.

So, proof of Oswald's possession or ownership of the murder weapon is dubious, at best.
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(3)
Notice at time 3:37-3:42 the other rifle. It may well be an officer's rifle resting there, but think
how easy it would have been to bring in a rifle and plant it there while others are searching for a weapon.
Nobody would have questioned a person bringing in a rifle or notice someone leaving without one.

-----From Tom Rozoff-----


Sat, Aug 15, 2009 1:45 pm
"The depository revisited - Alyea#2"
The depository revisited - Alyea#2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WQr4y1j4Gw&feature=email
(paste this URL into youtube subject line)

Commentary by Deputy Sheriff Roger D. Craig. His presence is shown on the film. Most
of the footage is from the not very accessible film made by Tom Alyea - WFAA.

The paper sack with the chicken-bones, and the soda bottle is also filmed. The location
of which these items where found has been debated.

The official story is that it was a misconception that the rifle found was a Mauser 7.65
german rifle. The deposition showing the rifle was identified as a Mauser is clearly
visible in this film. Mr. Craig insists it was a Mauser. As does Mr. Weitzman. It is also
visible in the film,and if it is not one of the deputies' shotguns, there does appear to be
another rifle beneath it in one sequence. Look for it: Tom Rozoff notes that it depicts
how easily someone could have brought a rifle into the building and left without one.

From 'Evidence of Revision' - Conspiratus Ubiquitus


(5) MANNICHER-CARCANO SHOOTS BULLET INTO GEL PLUS COWBONE: BLLET
IS MASHED; COMPARED TO "MAGIC BULLET"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFxt_ChhcgQ&feature=related
Photos of Rifles:
Rifle has just been found in the TSBD. Note
there is no clip on this rifle.

Earliest Photo of rifle found in the TSBD: where is the clip?

Rifle shown to Press by Lt. Day: see the clip?

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