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It seems to me there are two different interpretations of a symbol f(y). I will


explain what I mean:

Suppose I have a function f(x)=x. (I took the identity map to have a simple
example). Also suppose I have a dependence between x and y which is another
variable. Say x=2y.

I seems to me I can interpret f and particularly the symbol f(y) in two different
ways:

f is strictly a map and it taken whatever variable we give it and maps it


accordingly. In this case f(y)=y as f is the identity map so just maps y to itself.

f is a variable dependent on x, since I've defined f(x)=x, then when I denote f(y)
I can interpret it as the variable f but now expressed in terms of y instead of in
terms of x, so in this case f(y)=x=2y. In this case I viewed f as already being
defined in terms of x and the symbol f(y) merely gives me this predefined variable
f in terms of y.

My question is what is the usual interpretation, and if there is convenient


notation and/or common terminology which distinguish the two.

functions notation terminology definition


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It is better to consider the composition of functions specifying range and domain.


Let us work in the easy setting:

f:R?R, z?f(z):=z, (*)


and
y:R?R, x?y(x):=
1
2

x.
When you write f(y)=y in 1. you are just considering the function f on any element
y (call it y, z, x etc...it is the same: you are using (*)).

When you write f(y)=x=2y in 2. notation is confusing, instead. I believe you should
introduce the composition the composition g:=f�y:R?R, where
g(x)=f(y(x))=y(x)=
1
2

x.

shareciteeditflag
answered Nov 30 '13 at 9:01

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I'll restrict this answer to the case where f is a real function defined on the
whole real line, (f:R?R).

Since the domain of f is R, its input are real numbers. Therefore, the symbol f(y)
is meaningless if y is not a real number.

In your example you set f=idR. Let y be a real number. If it is the case that there
exists x?R such that y=2x, then f(y)=f(2x)=2x, by virtue of the definition of
equality and of f.

If y is a function (for simplication, let dom(y)=R and let it take only real
values), then, as said before, f(y) doesn't make sense. Something that makes sense
is f�y and, given x?R, f(y(x)) also makes sense because y(x)?R.

Now answering your question, the usual interpretation is that y is a function and
that you should look at f(y) as f�y (accompanied by a deep sigh), which is the
convenient notation. Common terminology is saying that 'y is a function of x',
which doesn't excuse the wrongness of f(y).

shareciteeditflag
answered Dec 8 '13 at 12:29

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In some disciplines, mainly PDE theory and Calculus of Variations, it is customary
to write f(u) instead of f�u. However, I agree that this is an abuse of notation. �
Siminore Dec 8 '13 at 12:47
@Siminore Unfortunately it is common. I thought I made that clear in the last
paragraph. In any case your comment makes it clear, if it wasn't already. Thanks. �
Git Gud Dec 8 '13 at 12:50
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It seems to me there are two different interpretations of a symbol f(y). I will


explain what I mean:

Suppose I have a function f(x)=x. (I took the identity map to have a simple
example). Also suppose I have a dependence between x and y which is another
variable. Say x=2y.

I seems to me I can interpret f and particularly the symbol f(y) in two different
ways:

f is strictly a map and it taken whatever variable we give it and maps it


accordingly. In this case f(y)=y as f is the identity map so just maps y to itself.

f is a variable dependent on x, since I've defined f(x)=x, then when I denote f(y)
I can interpret it as the variable f but now expressed in terms of y instead of in
terms of x, so in this case f(y)=x=2y. In this case I viewed f as already being
defined in terms of x and the symbol f(y) merely gives me this predefined variable
f in terms of y.

My question is what is the usual interpretation, and if there is convenient


notation and/or common terminology which distinguish the two.

functions notation terminology definition


shareciteeditflag
edited Nov 30 '13 at 9:01
asked Nov 30 '13 at 8:48

fiftyeight
1,05911118
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start a bounty
2 Answers
active oldest votes

It is better to consider the composition of functions specifying range and domain.


Let us work in the easy setting:

f:R?R, z?f(z):=z, (*)


and

y:R?R, x?y(x):=
1
2

x.
When you write f(y)=y in 1. you are just considering the function f on any element
y (call it y, z, x etc...it is the same: you are using (*)).

When you write f(y)=x=2y in 2. notation is confusing, instead. I believe you should
introduce the composition the composition g:=f�y:R?R, where
g(x)=f(y(x))=y(x)=
1
2

x.

shareciteeditflag
answered Nov 30 '13 at 9:01

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add a comment

I'll restrict this answer to the case where f is a real function defined on the
whole real line, (f:R?R).

Since the domain of f is R, its input are real numbers. Therefore, the symbol f(y)
is meaningless if y is not a real number.

In your example you set f=idR. Let y be a real number. If it is the case that there
exists x?R such that y=2x, then f(y)=f(2x)=2x, by virtue of the definition of
equality and of f.

If y is a function (for simplication, let dom(y)=R and let it take only real
values), then, as said before, f(y) doesn't make sense. Something that makes sense
is f�y and, given x?R, f(y(x)) also makes sense because y(x)?R.

Now answering your question, the usual interpretation is that y is a function and
that you should look at f(y) as f�y (accompanied by a deep sigh), which is the
convenient notation. Common terminology is saying that 'y is a function of x',
which doesn't excuse the wrongness of f(y).

shareciteeditflag
answered Dec 8 '13 at 12:29

Git Gud
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In some disciplines, mainly PDE theory and Calculus of Variations, it is customary
to write f(u) instead of f�u. However, I agree that this is an abuse of notation. �
Siminore Dec 8 '13 at 12:47
@Siminore Unfortunately it is common. I thought I made that clear in the last
paragraph. In any case your comment makes it clear, if it wasn't already. Thanks. �
Git Gud Dec 8 '13 at 12:50
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It seems to me there are two different interpretations of a symbol f(y). I will


explain what I mean:

Suppose I have a function f(x)=x. (I took the identity map to have a simple
example). Also suppose I have a dependence between x and y which is another
variable. Say x=2y.

I seems to me I can interpret f and particularly the symbol f(y) in two different
ways:

f is strictly a map and it taken whatever variable we give it and maps it


accordingly. In this case f(y)=y as f is the identity map so just maps y to itself.

f is a variable dependent on x, since I've defined f(x)=x, then when I denote f(y)
I can interpret it as the variable f but now expressed in terms of y instead of in
terms of x, so in this case f(y)=x=2y. In this case I viewed f as already being
defined in terms of x and the symbol f(y) merely gives me this predefined variable
f in terms of y.

My question is what is the usual interpretation, and if there is convenient


notation and/or common terminology which distinguish the two.

functions notation terminology definition


shareciteeditflag
edited Nov 30 '13 at 9:01
asked Nov 30 '13 at 8:48
fiftyeight
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start a bounty
2 Answers
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It is better to consider the composition of functions specifying range and domain.


Let us work in the easy setting:

f:R?R, z?f(z):=z, (*)


and

y:R?R, x?y(x):=
1
2

x.
When you write f(y)=y in 1. you are just considering the function f on any element
y (call it y, z, x etc...it is the same: you are using (*)).

When you write f(y)=x=2y in 2. notation is confusing, instead. I believe you should
introduce the composition the composition g:=f�y:R?R, where
g(x)=f(y(x))=y(x)=
1
2

x.

shareciteeditflag
answered Nov 30 '13 at 9:01

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I'll restrict this answer to the case where f is a real function defined on the
whole real line, (f:R?R).

Since the domain of f is R, its input are real numbers. Therefore, the symbol f(y)
is meaningless if y is not a real number.

In your example you set f=idR. Let y be a real number. If it is the case that there
exists x?R such that y=2x, then f(y)=f(2x)=2x, by virtue of the definition of
equality and of f.

If y is a function (for simplication, let dom(y)=R and let it take only real
values), then, as said before, f(y) doesn't make sense. Something that makes sense
is f�y and, given x?R, f(y(x)) also makes sense because y(x)?R.

Now answering your question, the usual interpretation is that y is a function and
that you should look at f(y) as f�y (accompanied by a deep sigh), which is the
convenient notation. Common terminology is saying that 'y is a function of x',
which doesn't excuse the wrongness of f(y).
shareciteeditflag
answered Dec 8 '13 at 12:29

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In some disciplines, mainly PDE theory and Calculus of Variations, it is customary
to write f(u) instead of f�u. However, I agree that this is an abuse of notation. �
Siminore Dec 8 '13 at 12:47
@Siminore Unfortunately it is common. I thought I made that clear in the last
paragraph. In any case your comment makes it clear, if it wasn't already. Thanks. �
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It seems to me there are two different interpretations of a symbol f(y). I will


explain what I mean:

Suppose I have a function f(x)=x. (I took the identity map to have a simple
example). Also suppose I have a dependence between x and y which is another
variable. Say x=2y.

I seems to me I can interpret f and particularly the symbol f(y) in two different
ways:

f is strictly a map and it taken whatever variable we give it and maps it


accordingly. In this case f(y)=y as f is the identity map so just maps y to itself.

f is a variable dependent on x, since I've defined f(x)=x, then when I denote f(y)
I can interpret it as the variable f but now expressed in terms of y instead of in
terms of x, so in this case f(y)=x=2y. In this case I viewed f as already being
defined in terms of x and the symbol f(y) merely gives me this predefined variable
f in terms of y.

My question is what is the usual interpretation, and if there is convenient


notation and/or common terminology which distinguish the two.

functions notation terminology definition


shareciteeditflag
edited Nov 30 '13 at 9:01
asked Nov 30 '13 at 8:48

fiftyeight
1,05911118
add a comment
start a bounty
2 Answers
active oldest votes

It is better to consider the composition of functions specifying range and domain.


Let us work in the easy setting:

f:R?R, z?f(z):=z, (*)


and

y:R?R, x?y(x):=
1
2

x.
When you write f(y)=y in 1. you are just considering the function f on any element
y (call it y, z, x etc...it is the same: you are using (*)).

When you write f(y)=x=2y in 2. notation is confusing, instead. I believe you should
introduce the composition the composition g:=f�y:R?R, where
g(x)=f(y(x))=y(x)=
1
2

x.

shareciteeditflag
answered Nov 30 '13 at 9:01

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add a comment

I'll restrict this answer to the case where f is a real function defined on the
whole real line, (f:R?R).

Since the domain of f is R, its input are real numbers. Therefore, the symbol f(y)
is meaningless if y is not a real number.

In your example you set f=idR. Let y be a real number. If it is the case that there
exists x?R such that y=2x, then f(y)=f(2x)=2x, by virtue of the definition of
equality and of f.

If y is a function (for simplication, let dom(y)=R and let it take only real
values), then, as said before, f(y) doesn't make sense. Something that makes sense
is f�y and, given x?R, f(y(x)) also makes sense because y(x)?R.

Now answering your question, the usual interpretation is that y is a function and
that you should look at f(y) as f�y (accompanied by a deep sigh), which is the
convenient notation. Common terminology is saying that 'y is a function of x',
which doesn't excuse the wrongness of f(y).

shareciteeditflag
answered Dec 8 '13 at 12:29

Git Gud
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In some disciplines, mainly PDE theory and Calculus of Variations, it is customary
to write f(u) instead of f�u. However, I agree that this is an abuse of notation. �
Siminore Dec 8 '13 at 12:47
@Siminore Unfortunately it is common. I thought I made that clear in the last
paragraph. In any case your comment makes it clear, if it wasn't already. Thanks. �
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