From: "Michael E. Mann" <mann@meteo.psu.

edu>
To: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: EGU
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:45:46 -0500
Reply-to: mann@psu.edu
Cc: raymond s bradley <rbradley@geo.umass.edu>

thanks Phil,
not suggestion you not cite Wegman report, just suggesting you make sure the
citation makes
clear what the report is...
mike
p.s. where/when did Tom Crowley use it?
Phil Jones wrote:

Mike,
Thanks.
On 1) Putting the last few years in zooms the CET curve much higher.
Tim took out the last few years. I need to make this clearer in the caption.
Padding is an issue with a 50-year smoother.
2) I agree Wegman isn't a formal publication. This was the highest profile
example I could come up to show abuse of the curve. if you know of any
others then let me know.
Even Tom Crowley shouldn't have used it. There is a belief in the UK, that
a curve of UK/CET past temperatures (by summer and winter) exists. It
doesn't, but the winter curve from Lamb is probably a lot better than the
summer one.
I'll let you know on time-frame when I hear from a few more I've sent the
piece to.
Cheers
Phil
At 14:10 15/01/2007, Michael E. Mann wrote:

Phil,
The attached piece is very good, impressive in the detail you've been able to
dig up on
this. Won't pass this along.
A couple minor comments:
1. I understand the point of the 50 year smoothing, but I think it would still
be very
useful to show were the most recent decade is on this scale. a lot of the
recent warming
is washed out by the padding at the end. People will look at this and say "see
medieval
peak was warmer than present". but that doesn't follow because so much of the
warmning
has been over past two decades.
2. I would not reference Wegman report as if it is a publication, i.e. a
legitimate
piece of scientific literature. Its a piece of something else! It should be
cited in
such a way as to indicate it is not a formal publication, wasn't peer-
reviewed, i.e.
could be references as a "criticism commissoned by Joe Barton (R, Exxon).
3. I think that Stefan/Gavin were hoping to do something on RC sooner than the
timeline
you mention. What do you think about this? Do you want to forward the message
to them
and tell them the timeline you have in mind?
 talk to you later,
mike
p.s. thanks very much for the 'nomination' :), but you flatter me. I think
that someone
farther along in their career such as Keith is more deserving at this time.
Phil Jones wrote:

Ray,
I have been nominating you for several years, as has Andre
and Jean - I think. Not sure how much the last two have been
involved recently. I haven't been for a few years.
So, congratulations ! If as in previous years, you get asked about
future awards, then consider nominating Keith and/or Mike. In the
past it has alternated between ice cores and others.
As for a presentation, something on the lines of where we stand
etc. will be great.
Gerard seems to be very flexible with the date for CL28.
I've no idea how many abstracts there are yet. Haven't done
anything on publicity for the session. Later in the week I'll check
how many we have. So suggest the session day you want.
Avoid Friday - people leave, also a bit on Thursday.
Tuesday and Weds tend to have the most people there. I'll
likely put you first in a session - not the early morning, but after
coffee or lunch. I'll liaise with Gerard. I have to organize everything
by next Monday as I'm at the IPCC in Paris from Jan 23 till Feb 2.
Can you two give me your thoughts on the attached? I think
this is best in the Wengen meeting summary. Certainly after
IPCC has met and likely after June when the chapters come out.
Don't pass on to anyone an don't use in Vienna.
Cheers
Phil
PS Are you two getting loads of press cuttings from Mike Schlesinger?
At 18:25 13/01/2007, Michael E. Mann wrote:

Ray, I hadn't heard the announcement. This is wonderful news. You (like Phil)
couldn't
be more deserving for this.
I'm sorry that I won't be there (EGU comes at a bad time of the Penn State
semester). I
owe you a drink when next we meet.
Congratulations again!
mike
raymond s bradley wrote:

I was totally surprised to learn I was selected for the EGU's Oeschger medal
this
year--so if you had anything to do with that, many, many thanks. I knew Hans
quite well
and so this is especially meaningful for me. Phil got the first Oeschger
Medal so I
know I am following in his big shoes. But I can't help feeling it's all a
clerical error
somehow and a correction letter will appear any day now....
But, assuming this is not so...I was asked to give a talk aimed at a non-
specialist
audience in one of the sessions. I think your session on the last millennium
is the
obvious session in which to do this, so I will prepare something along the
lines of
 "climate of the last millennium: status and prospect" so I can briefly
summarise where
we are at and what seems to be needed.
I'll submit an abstract on-line this weekend.
Ray
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Associate Professor
Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC)

Department of Meteorology Phone: (814) 863-4075

503 Walker Building FAX: (814) 865-3663
The Pennsylvania State University email: [6]mann@psu.edu
University Park, PA 16802-5013

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Prof. Phil Jones

Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email [8]p.jones@uea.ac.uk
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Associate Professor
Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC)

Department of Meteorology Phone: (814) 863-4075

503 Walker Building FAX: (814) 865-3663
The Pennsylvania State University email: [9]mann@psu.edu
University Park, PA 16802-5013

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References

1. http://www.paleoclimate.org/
2. http://www.geo.umass.edu/climate/paleo/html
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4. http://www.met.psu.edu/dept/faculty/mann.htm
5. mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk
6. mailto:mann@psu.edu
7. http://www.met.psu.edu/dept/faculty/mann.htm
8. mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk
9. mailto:mann@psu.edu
10. http://www.met.psu.edu/dept/faculty/mann.htm