Professional Documents
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I. INTRODUCTION……………………………………………………………………………………………………….……. 6
Background of the Study
Significance of the Study
Scope and Limitation
Statement of the Problem
Objectives of the Study
IV. METHODOLOGY……………………………………………………………………………………………..……………46
Research Design
Sample and Sampling Procedure
Research Instrument
Data Collection Procedure
Data Analysis Procedure
V. PRESENTATION OF ANALYSIS OF DATA ……………………………………………………………………….. 53
Pastor Hokage Bible Study Groups: Description and History
Feeding Frenzies of Sexual or Sexualized Content
Hokage
Table of Pastor Hokage Bible
Pastor Hokage Subculture
Breaking the Law
Pastor Hokage Bible Study Groups Pose a Danger to Society
Pastor Hokage Bible Study Groups Encourage Violence against Women
Pastor Hokage Bible Study Groups Perpetrate Actual Violence against Women
Pastor Hokage Bible Study Culture Harms Men and Society as a Whole
PHBSGs Normalize Sexual Objectification, Sexual Harassment and Sexual Assault
PHBSGs are Illegal and Punishable under Philippine Laws
Very Stiff Penalties When Children Are Involved
A Toxic Mix of Sociological, Psychological and Technological Factors Give Spawn and Nurture
PHBSGs
Technology’s Impact on Sexuality
Sexual Mores Collide
Double Standard
Virgin-Whore Dichotomy
Dialectic Relationship between Patriarchy and Pastor Hokage Bible Study Groups
Adolescent Psychology, Physiology – Factors
Technology Enables the Rise of, and Nurtures, the Pastor Hokage Culture
Fighting Sexual Objectification, Sexual Harassment, VAW on Social Media
References………………………………………………… ………………………………………………..………………….. 92
Annexes………………………………………………………………………………………….……………………………….. 104
ABSTRACT
In July 2017, the Filipino public was shocked by revelations of the rapid and widespread growth of “Pastor
Hokage Bible Study Groups ” (PHBSG) – groups curated by young Filipino men, using Facebook as a platform, and
formed around sharing and bonding over sexually explicit material.
PHBSGs are any of at least 80 secret online groups that first sprung up as a way to circumvent the blocking
of porn sites by Internet service providers and office IT administrators, but quickly evolved into an online social
movement-of-sorts, a full-fledged subculture, with its own language, its own codes, and its own personalities.
Group activities revolve around posting, sharing, commenting and ultimately bondi ng over sexual content.
Content ranges from slightly racy photographs to downright pornographic material, mostly shared without the
consent or even the knowledge of the subjects – all of whom are exclusively female. Some content involves
revenge porn and, at the very worse, the subjects are underage girls.
Outraged, a number of women’s groups, including a Facebook-based group called Catcalled in the
Philippines, reported these PHBSGs to the national media. This led one senator (Sen. Risa Hontiveros) to pass a
bill criminalizing the PHBSG’s activities and soon enough, many of these groups’ FB pages were closed down.
However, the movement itself simply went underground, where it continues to thrive. Members have adapted
guerrilla-like tactics, “closing shop,” disappearing from their old site, lurking, then surfacing and reconvening
under a new group, sometimes using other platforms, such as Reddit.
Does the Internet somehow promote these PHBSGs, revenge porn and other forms of toxic masculinity
among young Filipino men and teens ? Conversely, can the Internet be used to counteract these and promote an
alternative positive masculinity?
The first part of this thesis seeks to investigate the phenomenon represented by the Pastor Hokage Bible
Study Groups. Research here is exploratory, interpretative and theory-building. Analysis of the data collected
from research and interviews shows that PHBSGs are expressions or manifestations of toxic masculinity, which
encourage harmful and toxic behavior among Filipino men and male teenagers.
The second part of this thesis – as it is a Visual Communications thesis – explores how the very same media
and tools that are used to spread this form of toxic masculinity (the Internet and social media) can also be used
to promote more positive forms of masculinity. It involves the crafting of a visual communications tool that
captures young Filipino men and teens (pros pective and actual PHBSG members) in their milieu (the Internet)
where they are exposed to messages that can influence and convince them to challenge their toxic masculinity
views and replace them with views that represent a more positive masculinity.
The tool I created is an interactive design project on social media that seeks to deconstruct the idea and
expressions of toxic masculinity. The title of the project is “ANG TUNAY NA LALAKI AY __________________ _ ”.
(A REAL MAN IS ________________)
Participants or the audience in this social media project are encouraged to fill in the blanks – or to submit
suggested answers to what “real men” should be like.
The design and choice of words of the social media cards and other materials are meant to capture PHBSG
members in their milieu (mainly Facebook and Instagram). The approach chosen is that of a casual conversation
– just like the chats on the PHBSGs themselves. In this dialogue, young men are exposed to messages that are
carefully crafted to challenge their toxic masculinity views, in an oblique and less attacking way, then to replace
them with views that represent more positive forms of masculinity. This approach was chosen because studies
show that the kind of men who are attracted to PHBSGs become defensi ve when they are confronted over their
views or opinions, especially on women and sexuality.
The mix of photography and graphic design is also carefully constructed to be thought-provoking, especially
to the kind of men attracted to PHBSGs. Our profiling shows them to be men in their teens, 20s and 30s from
the socio economic classes D and E (Nielsen Admosphere). Visual communications elements include social media
cards, an online zine and comics.
Graphic designs and photos of phallic symbols are mixed with various iterations of the phrase
“Kalalaki/Kababae Mong Tao, _____________ Ka ”. These are meant to turn the tables on PHBSG members (or
prospective members) by showing them how it feels to be objectified. This tactic is an attempt to force young
Filipino men to empathize with the women they objectify, as research in the fields of psychology, criminology
and women’s studies have shown that men who hold strong toxic masculinity views often begin to change these
views when they are forced into a position of empathy with the women they usually objectify.
https://isismolintas.wixsite.com/tunaynapastorhokage?fbclid=IwAR2u5IqTYg9svpNEEFHSiHa1QgAubNS8oeNsv
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The design project is linked to this page: https://www.facebook.com/UsapangLalakiDYP/
This is the Facebook Page of an ongoing project by the Disgruntled Young people group, a University of the
Philippines Diliman-based organization. Usapang Lalaki is an active forum where young men and women come
together regularly to discuss gender, women’s and other social and development issues.
The two projects are therefore linked. Usapang Lalaki forums will discuss the “ANG TUNAY NA LALAKI AY
__________” Project, in effect testing its effectivity as a Visual Communications tool and improving it for use in
real life.
I. INTRODUCTION
Problem Statement
Pastor Hokage Bible Study groups are expressions or manifestations of toxic masculinity that encourage harmful
and toxic behavior among Filipino youth, particularly young men and male teenagers.
These groups reinforce everything that is negative about patriarchy, including the objectification of women
and the notion of manhood that demands the sexual domination or even humiliation of women. As such, the
spread of these groups – and more crucially, the culture it nourishes – is harmful to women and girls. And
because encouraging a narrow notion of masculinity also limits and dehumanizes men themselves, these groups
ultimately harm even the young men who become members. All in all, the proliferation of these groups harms
society as a whole.
In response to all these, the second part of this thesis involves an attempt to use the very same platforms
and internet communications tools (ICTs) used by these misogyni stic groups to subvert the toxic masculinity
they promote, and replace this with more positive forms of masculinity.
B. Pastor Hokage Bible Study Groups, Toxic Masculinity and Violence Against Women
Feminism, Power Relations, Pornography and Sexual Objectification of Women
Feminism is a range of social theories and political and social movements that collectively argue that legal and
social restrictions on women must be removed in order to bring about the equality of the sexes in all aspects of
public and private life. (Hawkesworth)
Throughout history, feminist movements have advocated for women’s rights – the right to vote, to work, to
earn fair wages or equal pay for equal work, to own property, to receive an education, to hold public office, to
maternity leave, to enter into contracts, to have equal rights within marriage, among other rights. Feminists
have also worked to ensure access to legal abortions and to social integration, and to protect women and girls
from rape, sexual harassment and domestic violence. Changes in acceptable dress and levels of physical activity
and other activities for women are also issues tackled by feminist movements. (Echols)
Most feminists, foremost among them bell hooks, argue that men are also harmed by traditional gender
roles. Consequently, men are also bound to gain every time that women’s rights are protected, upheld and
advanced. For example, traditional male roles discourage men from crying or showing vulnerability, even when
these are normal human emotions. Correspondingly, under traditional female roles, women are discouraged
from expressing anger, even when these are also normal human emotions. By challenging these traditional
gender roles, feminists open spaces for both women and men to fully experience and express the full range of
human emotions – an alternative that is clearly more conducive to promoting the mental health of both men
and women, enabling their contributions to development and society. (hooks)
The history of the modern feminist movements in the West is comprised loosely by four “waves.” The first
wave encompassed the women’s suffrage movements of the 19th and early 20th centuries , where the women’s
right to vote was fought for. (Hume) (Doubiago) The second wave, associated with the ideas and actions of the
women’s liberation movement beginning in the 1960s, fought for legal and social equality for women. (Hume)
(Doubiago) The third wave, which began in the 1990s, was both a continuation of, and a reaction to, the
perceived failures of second-wave feminism.
Feminists of this wave challenged the second wave’s essentialist definitions of femininity, arguing that the
movement then overemphasized or worse, represented only the experiences of upper middle-class white
women. (Hume) (Doubiago) In contrast to second-generation feminists who insi sted on a unified “category of
woman,” third-wave feminists were inclined toward using personal narratives to illustrate an intersectional and
“multiperspectival” version of feminism. (Snyder)
Third-wave feminists embraced multivocality over synthesis , and action over theoretical justification. These
were responses to the end of grand narratives brought by the decline in the academe of Marxism and the rise
of post-structuralism, deconstruction and postmodernism. (Snyder)
Third-wave feminists also grew out of the “feminist sex wars” – intense debates among feminists beginning
in the 1980s over sexual issues such as pornography, prostitution and BDSM (bondage, dominance and
submission), sadomasochism, transsexual women and other related interpersonal dynamics. (Hume) (Doubiago)
(Snyder)
During this wave, feminists also debated the important psychological differences between the sexes. On
one camp were feminists who believe that there are no inherent psychological differences between the sexes
and contend that gender roles are created by social conditioning. (History and Theory Of Feminism) (A deeper
discussion of the sex wars is found in subsequent paragraphs.)
Many historians view the feminist sex wars as marking the end of the second -wave feminist era (which
began c. 1963) as well as the herald of the third wave (which began in the early 1990s). (Sebastian)
Finally, fourth-wave feminism refers to a resurgence of interest in feminism that began around 2012,
associated with the use of social media and defined by technology. At the core of this wave, which focuses on
opposing sexual harassment and violence against women, is “incredulity that certain attitudes can still exist.”
(Grady) (Abrahams)
Some examples of fourth-wave feminist campaigns are the: Everyday Sexism Project, No More Page 3, Stop
Bild Sexism, Mattress Performance, 10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Woman, #YesAllWomen, Free the Nipple,
One Billion Rising, the 2017 Women’s March, the 2018 Women’s March and the #MeToo movement. (Stephanie
Zacharek) (agencies) (Cochrane)
The wave metaphor, however, can be reductionist, since it wrongly suggests that each wave of feminism is
a monolith with a single unified agenda and a clear-cut timeframe. Reality is more complex: the history of
feminism is a history of different ideas in turbulent conflict. Meanwhile, each wave does not have a clear-cut
beginning and end: the second wave, for instance, overlapped with the third wave, and many of the issues
carried by both the second and third wave of feminists – issues like equal pay for equal work and the right to
reproductive health – are still valid today and still need to be fought for. (Grady, The waves of feminism, and
why people keep fighting over them, expla ined)
Feminist sexology deals with topics in sexuality such as reproductive rights, gender roles, gay and
transgender identities, lesbianism, marriage, contraception, children, pornography, sex work, sex and
respectability, and the sexual liberation movements of the 1960s and 1970s. (Ho)
Three main concepts in feminist sexology are: male power, sexual violence and women ’s control over their
own bodies. (Ho)
The feminist discourse on male power incl udes the point that society suppresses female sexual desire and
paradoxically, expects women to be always available for male sexual needs. For example, the Diagnostic and
Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) includes an entry for “female sexual dysfunction.” Feminists
point out that this follows from a limited understanding of female sexual desire that does not take into
consideration the fact that such is a function of many factors: sexual knowledge, cycles, contraception, feelings
about bodies, safety, emotions, taboo and danger, sexual communication, whole body experience, commitment,
attraction, respect, pregnancy and aging, among others. (Taylor)
The discussions on sexual violence encompass issues such as blaming assaults on victims’ clothing, alcohol
use or previous flirting behavior or sexual history. It also tackles the sexual violence faced by trans gender,
transsexual, gender-nonconforming people and black women labeled Jezebels – a stereotype first perpetuated
during the transatlantic slave trade to justify the sexual abuse, rape and exploitation of female slaves and which
persists until today. (World Health Organization)
Discussions on women’s control of their bodies includes topics such as the access to birth control, the right
to make reproductive rights choices without judgment, and the sterilization abuse of black or native women.
A woman’s right to control her own sexuality is a key issue in femini sm. Feminists argue that under
patriarchy, women have very little control over their own bodies, with female sexuality being controlled and
even defined by men. (International Women's Health Coalition)
According to feminists, all cultures today are, in one way or another, dominated by ideologies that deny
women the right to decide how to express their sexuality. In contrast, men under patriarchy feel entitled to
define sex on their own terms. (Chapter 12. Gender, Sex, and Sexuality)
Such sexual entitlement forms part of the social construction of masculinity – and this has widespread
implications for the goal of gender equality. This social construct of masculinity that associates “maleness” with
aggression and competition is seen by feminism as problematic because it reinforces patriarchal and unequal
gender relations and encourages violence against women.
In fact, sexual violence committed by men is often rooted in this construct of male sexual entitlement, as
well as in the corresponding idea that grants women very few legitimate options to refuse sexual advances. Even
today, in many cultures, men do not believe that a woman has the right to reject a man ’s sexual advances or to
make an autonomous decision about participating in sex. (Edited by Etienne G. Krug)
In more liberal cultures, meanwhile, sexual entitlement takes the form of a general sexualization of the
whole culture. (Edited by Etienne G. Krug)
This is played out in the sexual objectification of women, with pornography and other forms of sexual
entertainment creating the fantasy that all women exist solely for men’s sexual pleasure, and that women are
readily available and desiring to engage in sex at any time, wi th any man, on a man’s terms. (Feminist
Perspectives on Objectification https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminism-objectification/#)
What’s worse, behavioral differences between men and women that in reality spring out of cultural and
societal beliefs are commonly misperceived as being rooted in biological differences.
The sexual issues that feminists debated intensely during the feminist “sex wars” are ideas that are central
to this thesis: pornography, sexual objectification of women, and violence against women.
Robin Morgan summarizes the view of anti -pornography feminists that pornography and violence against
women are linked in her statement, “pornography is the theory, rape is the practice.” (Morgan)
Sex-positive feminists, however, criticize these anti-porn views as a repression of sexuality and a move
toward censorship. Feminists such as Gayle Rubin slam anti -pornography feminists, claiming they “have
condemned virtually every variant of sexual expression as anti -feminist. She also argues that their view of
sexuality is dangerously close to anti -feminist, conservative sexual morality, and thus encourages feminists to
consider the political aspects of sexuality without promoting sexual repress ion. (Rubin)
Meanwhile, feminist Gail Dines notes that pornography today, exemplified by gonzo pornography, is
becoming increasingly violent and that women who perform in pornography are in reality brutalized in the
process of its production. (Dines)
What’s more, some anti-pornography feminists like Andrea Dworkin even argue that because
pornography’s theme is male dominance, it is intrinsically harmful to women and their well -being. Dworkin
further asserts that pornography is not only damaging in its production but also in its consumption. Viewers of
pornography, Dworkin maintains, will mentally internalize pornography’s misogynistic portrayal of women.
(Dworkin)
According to a study conducted by Adult Video News in 2010, most scenes from the top 50 most rented
porn films involved the female performer appearing to be physically or verbally abused. (Saul, Lisa Ann discusses
how the demand for extreme porn can damage new performers: ‘That does break you down as a woman)
Some feminists have hypothesized that the frequent exposure to violent pornography contributes to actual
violence against women. However, studies by Neil Moshe Malamuth, a psychology professor at the University
of California in Los Angeles who has been studying sexual aggression and sexual aggressors for almost 40 years,
show that exposure to violent pornography triggers distinctly different responses in men who have coercive
tendencies than in non-aggressive men. If a man has relatively aggressive sexual inclinations resulting from
various personal and/or cultural factors, some pornographic exposure may activate and reinforce associated
coercive tendencies and behaviors. In contrast, if a man has relatively nonaggressive sexual inclinations,
pornographic exposure may activate and reinforce associated non-coercive feelings and acts. (Malamuth,
Addison and Koss)
Associations between pornography consumption a nd aggressiveness toward women could be explained by
a circular relationship between high coercive tendencies and interest in certain content in pornography. While
aggressive men are drawn to the images in pornography that reinforce and thereby increase th e likelihood of
their having a controlling, impersonal and hostile orientation to sexuality, the way relatively aggressive men
interpret and react to the same pornography differs from that of nonaggressive men.
The findings from this 2000 study are encouraging for this Visual Communications Project: findings do
suggest that for the majority of men (in the study American men), pornography exposure (even at the highest
levels of frequency assessed) is NOT associated with high levels of aggression. However, the findings show that
men who are found at the highest “predisposing” risk level for sexual aggression (which came to a little above
7% of the entire sample), and those who are very frequent porn users (about 12% of this high risk group) have
sexual aggression levels approximately four times higher than most men. (Malamuth, Addison and Koss)
In contrast, a 2016 metastudy by communications professionals Paul Wright (Indiana University), Robert S.
Tokunaga (University of Hawaii in Manoa), and Ashley Kraus (Indiana University), found that the consumption
of pornography DOES correlate with sexually aggressive behavior. The metastudy, which looked at 22 different
studies from seven countries, found that on the average, when compared to those who do not consume
pornography or consume it less frequently, people (both male and female) who consume more porn and who
do so more frequently are also more likely to hold attitudes conducive to sexual aggression – and to even engage
in actual acts of sexual aggression. However, the correlation is higher for verbal aggression, which by the US
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDCP) defines as “verbally coercive but not physically threatening
communication to obtain sex, and sexual harassment.” Examples of verbal coercion and harassment include
“being worn down by someone who repeatedly asked for s ex or showed they were unhappy, feeling pressured
by being lied to or being told promises that were untrue, having someone threaten to end a relationship or
spread rumors, sending unwanted sexually explicit photographs, creating a sexually hostile climate, all in person
or through the use of technology’”. (Paul J. Wright)
Hegemonic Masculinity and Toxic Masculinity
Hegemony, according to Italian Marxist philosopher Antonio Gramsci, is about the ways in which the ruling class
establishes and maintains its domination. A pivotal concept in his Prison Notebooks and his most significant
contribution to Marxist thinking, Grams ci defines hegemony as the domination of and by the ruling class through
the manipulation of beliefs, explanations, perceptions, values, norms, etc., particularly so that the ruling class
view is the accepted cultural norm. (Gramsci, Antonio (edited and translated by Quentin Hoare and Geoffrey
Nowell Smith))
Meanwhile, male norms “stress values such as courage, inner direction, certain forms of aggression,
autonomy, mastery, technological skill, group solidarity, adventure and a considerable amount of toughness in
mind and body.” This has been suggested as early as the 1970s by urban sociologist Patricia Sexton, but it was
only in recent years that these values and their relation to male dominance was investigated. (Donaldson, What
Is Hegemonic Masculinity? ) Subsequently, the concept of hegemonic masculinity arose in the 1970s and 1980s
from the field of studies related to social inequality in political leadership and the public and private spheres,
and from debates over the “male role,” mostly by feminists discussing patriarchy and the role of men in
transforming patriarchy. (Goode) (Snodgrass)
Hegemonic masculinity, is a pattern of practice, ma intained and institutionalized by the ruling class, which
allows men’s dominance over women to continue. (Connell and Messerschmidt) It is “a question of how
particular groups of men inhabit positions of power and wealth, and how they legitimize and reproduce the
social relationships that generate their dominance.” (Donaldson, What Is Hegemonic Masculinity? )
The field of studies surrounding this concept is constantly contested so it is difficult to define, but for the
sake of avoiding ambiguity, hegemonic masculinity can be defined more easily by what it is not. (Connell and
Messerschmidt)
Hegemonic masculinity is not a fixed entity embedded in the body or personal traits of an individual.
Statistically, only a minority of men can fully enact it so it is not assumed to be normal. However, it is deemed
normative. It embodies the currently most honored way of being “a man” – think: man-as-breadwinner, man-
as-hero, knight, or someone who is physically strong, unsentimental and assertive. It requires all men to position
themselves in relation to “the ideal man.” (Connell and Messerschmidt) Hegemonic masculinity can be defined
therefore as a lived experience, as well as an economic and cultural force that is dependent on social
arrangements.
Hegemonic masculinity recognizes multiple masculinities that vary across time, culture and the individual.
However, ideologically, hegemonic masculinity legitimates the global subordination of women to men. (Connell
and Messerschmidt)
While the concept does not necessarily equate to violent behavior, (Goode) a fundamental element of
hegemonic masculinity is that women exist as potential sexual objects for men. Women provide heterosexual
men with sexual validation, and men compete with each other for this. (Donaldson, What Is Hegemonic
Masculinity? )
The social institutions or groups that are most active in reinforcing hegemonic masculinity are advertisers,
psychiatrists, filmmakers, actors, novelists, priests, journalists, politicians, designers, playwrights, musicians,
activists, academics, coaches and sportsmen. Donaldson deems them as “weavers of the fabric of hegemony ”.
(Donaldson, What Is Hegemonic Masculinity? ) For example, cultural theorist Jean Kilbourne is an ardent
investigator of advertising. In a TED talk given on May 27, 2015, she shows how advertisements insults,
dismembers and objectifies women’s bodies, how these ads affect ideas of female beauty and create an
expectation for female physical perfection, and how these reinforce the perverse idea that women are simply
objects for male sexual desire and use. (Kilbourne)
For its part, toxic masculinity, according to Connell, is a salient feature of hegemonic masculinity in the use
of “toxic practices” such as self-repression – and physical violence as well. Toxic masculinity occurs when there
is a conformity to, and normalization of, societal norms that frame cisgender men as the dominant/domineering
gender, in the process creating harmful stereotypes that incite violence and sexism across cultures. (Pease)
In short, toxic masculinity occurs when the violent, unemotional and sexually aggressive norms of
masculinity like emotional detachment, excessive levels of aggression, risk-taking, stoicism, intimidation,
violence, domination, humi liation, hyper competitiveness – the sexual objectification of women and other
predatory sexual behaviors , as well – are deemed acceptable.
Toxic masculinity dictates that the only emotion men can express is anger. This can hinder men from getting
in touch with the other things they feel/are feeling. Healthy forms of expressing emotion – like crying – are
frowned upon as aligning with traditional feminine sentiment. Thus, since “real men” are banned from showing
emotions through any other way, they are forced to show it through violence. (Salam)
Toxic masculinity leads to homophobia, sexual harassment, violence against intimate partners and even
murder, as violence becomes a channel through which to acquire control over women. (Flood)
In Sociological Images, a website founded and curated by sociologists, sociology professors Tristan Bridges
and Tara Leigh Tober proffer that American masculinity in particular depicts guns as a source of power for men.
They make the bold claim that this explains why men have been responsible for the majority of mass shootings
in the US. Bridges and Tober also point out that men are more likely to act violently when their masculinity and
male privilege are threatened. (Bridges and Tober)
James Gilligan, former director of the Center for the Study of Violence at Harvard Medical School, has
written many books on the subject of male violence and its sources. According to Gilligan, in all the serious acts
of violence he had studied, the male perpetrators were provoked by the experience of feeling shamed and
humiliated, disrespected and ridiculed. Consequently, the violent act represented the attempt to prevent or
undo that “loss of face” – no matter how severe the punishment, even if it includes death.” (Gilligan)
Psychologist Terry Real warns that when masculinity is defined on the absurd and fallacious idea that the
only way to be a man is to not acknowledge a key part of yourself (sad and vulnerable emotions and states),
then the consequences are both vicious and soul -crushing. (Holloway)
Real notes that while a depressed woman’s internalization of pain weakens her and hampers her capacity
for direct communication, a depressed man’s tendency to extrude pain “may render him psychologically
dangerous.” Because of the deeply ingrained fear of being seen as “weak,” some men drastically
overcompensate when they feel threatened. Men who don’t see themselves as masculine are more likely to
harass and act aggressively toward women and gay men. (Holloway)
Meanwhile, the construction of masculinity is also intimately connected with the construction of male
sexual pleasure. Toxic masculinity teaches men that their identity is hinged on their ability to exert dominance
over women. Sadly, one common way for men to assert their dominance is through sexual assault and
harassment. On the more extreme end is hostile masculinity. Men who score high on the hostile masculinity
construct distrust women and enjoy dominating them, says Neil Moshe Malamuth, a psychology professor at
the University of California in Los Angeles, and an expert on sexual violence and the effects of pornography on
viewers. (Malamuth, Addison and Koss)
Such men use sex as a way of demonstrating their power over women as opposed to viewing sex as an
expression of love, or even simply as a way to give and take pleasure. Although attitudes supporting violence
against women are contemporaneous with hostile masculinity, they are frequently modeled as predictors of the
hostile masculinity concept rather than components of it. (Malamuth, Addison and Koss)
According to a number of researches , sexual aggression is brought about by a confluence of many factors.
These include personality factors like narcissism and a predisposition to psychopathy, but also situational factors
such as the loss of inhibition and moral reasoning brought by alcohol (or drug) use, a history of abus e and
victimization in childhood. Lastly, factors also include perceptions that fall smack within the domain of toxic
masculinity: Researches find that perpetrators, in comparison to non-perpetrators, harbor a greater hostility
toward women and have stronger sexual dominance motives and more traditional attitudes toward gender roles
and sexual relationships. They also tend to have a greater acceptance of rape myths. (Angela J. Jacques-Tiura)
Men who are hostile toward women are likely to frequently misperceive women’s sexual intentions because
they believe that women are disingenuous and play games to get what they want from men. (Angela J. Jacques-
Tiura)
Research conducted by Roth Lisak on convicted rapists demonstrated several key factors behind male sexual
aggression including motivational measures that indicate sexual aggressors showed more hostility toward
women, felt more betrayed and deceived by women, had stronger dominance motives for engaging in sexual
activity, felt more threatened and demeaned by women, and were more hyper -masculine in their attitudes and
interests. A negative relationship with their fathers was most associated with sexual aggressors ’ angry and
power-oriented relationships with women. (Lisak)
Social Media
Then there’s social media. As we enter the second decade of the 21 st century, it’s hard to imagine a world
without social media.
These interactive computer-mediated technologies, which have become omnipresent in our everyday lives,
facilitate the creation and sharing of ideas, information, creative works and other forms of expression via virtual
communities and networks. (Jan H. Kietzmann)
Social media are interactive Web 2.0 Internet-based applications that have as their lifeblood user-generated
content, such as text posts or comments, digital photos or videos, and data generated through all online
interactions. (Jonathan A. Obar)
Commonly, users access these social media services via web-based technologies on desktops and laptops.
Or, alternatively, they download these services that offer soc ial media functionality to their mobile devices like
smartphones and tablets. They then engage with these electronic services, creating highly interactive platforms
through which individuals, communities and organizations can share, modify, discuss or even co-create the
content, which may be user-generated or pre-made online. (Jan H. Kietzmann)
Some common features of social media are:
- Personal user accounts
- Profile pages
- Friends, followers, groups, hashtags
- News feeds
- Personalization
- Notifications
- Information updating, saving or posting
- Like buttons and comment sections
- Review, rating or voting systems
To date there are at least 13 types of social media: blogs, business networks, collaborative projects,
enterprise social networks, forums, microblogs, photo sharing, products/services review, social bookmarking,
social gaming, social networks, video sharing and virtual worlds. (Thomas Aichner)
Social media are very different from traditional paper-based media like magazines and newspapers and
traditional electronic media such as TV broadcasting. The main difference lies in their interactivity, with social
media operating in a “dialogic transmission system” – from many transmitters to many receivers. Social media
is also distinguished by its reach, frequency, usability, immediacy and performance. (John V. Pavlik)
The “media” in social media refers to the information being shared, whether it's a photo, a video, a link to
an article, an animated GIF, a PDF document, a simple status update. This media is the foundation upon which
social networking occurs. This networking has to do with who the audience of the social media and the
relationships built with them. Networks can include friends, relatives, colleagues, and anyone from your past,
current customers, mentors and even complete strangers. (Nations)
Because of social networks, content on social media has the potential to become “viral” – or to spread
rapidly like a virus through these social networks. Accordingly in a social media context, content or websites that
are “viral”, or which “go viral”, are those that have a greater possibility of being reshared by users to their social
network, leading to even further sharing. (Kristina Lerman)
According to the Hamburg-based multinational online statistics portals company, Statista, there are around
2.77 billion social media users around the globe in 2019, up from 2.46 bill ion in 2017. (statistica)
The worldwide average for hours spent on the Internet is six hours, 42 minutes. For social media use it is
two hours, 16 minutes. Filipinos spend almost twice that amount of time on social media, making us the world’s
top users of social media. On average, Filipinos spend 10 hours and two minutes a day on the Internet on any
device, and four hours and 12 minutes on social media sites. Facebook is the social media platform Filipinos tend
to use the most. These statistics are from the report, Digital 2019: Global Digital Overview by We Are Social and
Hootsuite. (ABS-CBN News) (Staff)
In terms of the numbers of Internet users in 2018, the Philippines r anked 13th among all countries. (Top 20
Countries With the Highest Number of Internet Users) There are 76 million internet users in the country, and all
of them are on some form of social media. (ABS-CBN News) Social media penetration in the country is at 71
percent, way above the worldwide average of 45 percent. (Staff)
Hyperpersonal Relationships
Because CMC creates a very different communication context than (FtF) , it facilitates a creation of one or
more personal cyberidentities that may be substantially different than the real social identity of an individual.
(Bubaš)
This encourages the development of hyperpersonal communication that “exceeds [face-to-face]
interaction,” affording message senders a host of communicative advantages over traditional face-to-face
interaction. (Walther)
In hyperpersonal communication, people are able to carefully curate how they represent themselves to
others and how others interpret them. Compared to ordinary (FtF) situations, a hyperpersonal message sender
has a greater ability to strategically develop and edit self-presentation, enabling a selective and optimized
presentation of one's self to others. This CMC creates a reciprocal spiral of FtF communication. (Walther)
Several characteristics of the CMC environment can contr ibute to the experience of the high levels of
closeness and commonality that characterize hyperpersonal communication:
- Idealized perception of message producer(s)
- Optimized self-presentation
- Asynchronous channels that support the management of information about one’s self
- Positive feedback loop(s) that al low the intensification of the relationship in an interaction with
minimal nonverbal cues.
- Subsequent interaction in the real world surroundings may cause disillusionment and disappointment
over previously idealized CMC interaction partners
Enforcement
Carrying out the fight against cybercrime in the international level are the Interpol and the the UN Office on
Drugs and Crime (UNODC). UNODC maintains the cybercrime repository, where all cybercrime laws , as well as
the lessons learned in the anti -cybercrime fight, are stored. This is kept to help coordinate technical assistance
and facilitate the continuous assessment of needs and criminal justice capabilities. The database can be accessed
here https://sherloc.unodc.org/cld/v3/cybrepo/ (UNODC United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime)
The Interpol, meanwhile, coordinates transnational cybercrime investigations and operations, either on-site
or remotely, supporting the police forces of various countries.. (International Criminal Organization - INTERPOL)
Local Laws
There are also several local laws that are relevant to addressing the Pastor Hokage Bible Study Group/s
phenomenon. These include:
The Anti-Violence against Women and Children Act of 2004 or Republic Act 9262
Signed into law during the celebration of “International Women’s Day” on March 8, 2004, this law
recognizes that physical, sexual, emotional and economic violence inflicted by intimate partners against women
is a widespread human rights violation that the government is duty-bound to stop and prevent.
Consequently, R.A. 9262 penalizes all forms of abuse and violence wi thin the family and intimate
relationships. Most importantly, the Act classifies violence against women and children (VAWC) as a public crime.
RA 9262 also mandated the creation of the Inter-Agency Council on Violence against Women and Their Children
(IACVAWC).
(Anti-Violence Against Women and Their Children Act of 2004)
The Anti-Photo and Video Voyeurism Act of 2009 or Republic Act No. 9995
Under this law it is illegal to take, copy or reproduce, sell or distribute, publish or broadcast photos or videos of
a person /group of persons performing a sexual act or any similar activity, of the private area of a person/s – the
naked or undergarment-clad genitals or pubic area, the buttocks or female breast – without the consent of the
person/s involved, or under circumstances in which the person/s has/have can reasonably expect privacy.
This law, passed in 2009, penalizes these acts by imprisonment of three to seven years , a fine of P100,000.00
to P500,000., or both. (Anti-Photo and Video Voyeurism Act of 2009)
The Anti-Gender Electronic Violence Act or Senate Bill No. 1251
This is still a proposed law that Sen. Risa Hontiveros filed on November 22, 2016. Now pending at the
committee level, it seeks to address the vacuum of legal remedies available for instances when sexual violence
or gender-specific violence takes place outside the context of domestic or intimate relationships. It seeks to
punish the following acts:
- Unauthorized recording, reproduction or distribution of videos showing the victim’s naked or
undergarment-clad genitals, pubic area, buttocks or breasts
- Uploading or sharing without the victim’s consent any form of media that contain/s the victim’s pictures,
voice or video with lewd, indecent, obscene or sexual content
- Harassing or threatening the victim through text messaging, obscene, misogynistic, homophobic or
indecent posts in social media sites or other cyber, electronic or multimedia means
- Cyberstalking, which includes but is not limited to the hacking of personal accounts on social
networking sites or the use of local trackers of cellular devices
- Unauthorized use of the victim’s photo, video, voice, name or any other aspect of the victim’s identity
and distributing the same in any video game, phone application, program and the like, which
deliberately exposes the victim to harassment and attack and puts or tends to put the victims in a bad
light or injure the victim’s reputation. (Gender-Based Electronic Violence Act of 2016)
Hegemonic Masculinity
Deeply embedded in patriarchy are socially constructed norms that define masculinity.
R. W. Connell, the Australian sociologist known for her work on gender relations, recognized that there have
always been, and still are, multiple masculinities that vary across time (history), culture and even in an
individual’s life. (Connell, Maculinities (2nd ed.))
She defines hegemonic masculinity as a practice that legitimizes men’s dominant position in society, justifies
the subordination of women, and promotes other marginalized ways of being a man.
Conceptually, hegemonic masculinity proposes to explain how and why men maintain dominant social roles
over women, and other gender identities, which are perceived as “feminine” in a given society.
Connell argues that a prominent fea ture of hegemonic masculinity is the use of “toxic” practices such as
physical violence, which may serve to reinforce men’s dominance over women in many societies. (Connell,
Maculinities (2nd ed.))
Other scholars like Dr. Will iam Ming Liu, have used the term toxic masculinity to refer to stereotypically
masculine gender roles that restrict the kinds of emotions allowable for boys and men to express, including
social expectations that men seek to be dominant (the “alpha male”) and limit their emotional range primarily
to expressions of anger. (William Ming Liu)
Toxic Masculinity
Toxic masculinity occurs when these violent, unemotional and sexually aggressive norms of masculinity start to
have a harmful impact on society and the individual. Often, this occurs when men are insecure about not
adhering to this concept of the ideal man so they overcompensate by increasing their aggressive and violent
behavior to prove their masculinity. (William Ming Liu)
Toxic masculinity involves:
- Emotional detachment
- Excessive levels of aggression, risk–taking and stoicism (the belief that men don’t need help) to the
exclusion of moderation and sensitivity
- Intimidation and violence
- Domination, humiliation and hypercompetitiveness
- Sexual objectification of women
- Other predatory sexual behaviors
It is founded upon societal norms that frame cisgender men as the domineering gender, creating harmful
stereotypes that incite violence and sexism across cultures. In addition, toxic masculinity disregards non-
conforming genders, and imposes gender binarism, the belief that only two genders exist.
Toxic masculinity enforces the societal ideology that males must attain control in relationships, the
household, and in most public situations. This attitude promotes aversion towards expressing emotions that
could be deemed as feminine, for fear of emasculation. This is directly linked to the misogynistic mentality that
male qualities are superior to feminine qualities.
Many feminist thinkers, including social theorist and educator Jackson Katz identify toxic masculinity as the
main cause of rape culture that pervades society today. According to Katz and his ilk, violence stems from an
inability to show emotions through any other way, since showing sadness through healthy forms like crying is
looked down upon as aligning with traditional feminine sentiment.
Toxic masculinity also dictates that the only emotion men can express is anger, which can hinder men from
getting in touch with other things they’re feeling. (Katz, It’s The Masculinity, Stupid: A Cultural Studies Analysis
of Media, the Presidency, and Pedagogy)
Research Design
Methods Mapping
I. What are Pastor Hokage groups? (Who, What, How)
- Quantitative data collection
• Online surveys
Multiple choice questions
- Qualitative data (for public opinion and/or narrative research)
• Social media research
• Active interviews
I. A. How are they a manifestation of toxic masculinity?
- Cognitive interviews + purposive sampling (ex. Interview with sociology professor)
B. What is the definition of toxic masculinity?
- Literature review (pt. 2)
- Online research
II. What factors contribute to the rise of these groups?
- Literature review (pt. 3)
- Phenomenological analysis of meaning making
• Active interviews
II. Is there a specifically Filipino form of toxic masculinity?
• Active interviews
IV. What information and communications technology (ICT) methods can be used to counteract this and
promote positive masculinity?
- Literature review (pt. 5)
• Secondary Research based on data collection from ini tial research
- Artistic inquiries
• Visual Research
- Mobile methodologies
- Visual Representation
V. What are the User Interface (UI) and User Experience (UX) designs that should be considered in order to
develop effective transmedia/informational campaign to promote positive masculinity?
- Artistic inquiries
• Visual Research
- Mobile methodologies
- Visual Representation
- Online research
- Evaluation of applied research
PHASES INSTRUMENT PROCEDURE
Preparation The parameters for the sample groups
are based on the accessibility of the
researcher.
Respondents from members of Pastor
Hokage groups are contacted for
interview.
Look for experts in the topic of toxic
masculinity and Pastor Hokage culture.
Look for government cases/policies
that Pastor Hokage members violate
Interview Questions are based on the
research objectives.
Look for literature on UI/UX design and
sample works/campaigns for analysis
Phase 1 Case Studies from 5-10 respondents 1. Look for respondents from within the
possible Pastor Hokage groups
2. Contact participant to schedule an
interview
3. Prepare interview questions
appropriate to the respondent/s
situation, needs or knowledge
4. Conduct the interview
5. Analysis of data gathered from
respondent.
Phase 2 Interview with experts in the fields of: 1. After analysis of data, re-construct
- Sociologists questions to better answer
- Psychologists objectives/sub-questions of research.
- Feminists 2. Prepare interview questions
- Historians 3. Contact interviewees and schedule
- Media Studies Experts interviews
- Educators 4. Conduct the interview
5. Analysis of data
Phase 3 Case studies for UI/UX designs on
effective transmedia/informational
campaign
Phase 4 Online surveys 1. Create a survey with multiple choice
questionnaire to be able to narrow
down effective visual communication
strategies in addressing pastor
Hokage culture online
2. Invite participants online
3. Gather data
4. Analysis of data
The first part of this thesis seeks to understand the phenomenon represented by the Pastor Hokage Bible
Study Groups and similar groups. To do achieve this, our research design is both exploratory and interpretative,
and is aimed toward theory-building.
Qualitative data was collected using a combination of three methods:
1. Secondary data gathering and analysis involved very extensive literature research. Thi s involved scouring
the Internet for all possible information on the topic and a search of academic journals. The following key
words were used:
- PHBSG
- Pastor Hokage Bible Study Groups
- PHBSG Philippines
2. Structured interview with experts from four fields -- sociology, feminism, psychology, communications – to
help build an understanding of the phenomenon from these perspectives (historical, sociological, feminist,
psychological).
3. Data on the activities of PHBSG members was also collected using interviews with experts who were able
to infiltrate these groups, mainly sociology student Jasmin Ado and member s of Catcalled in the Philippines.
Data examined included screenshots of PHBSG conversations, as well as photos and videos shared.
4. A very extensive background research was also undertaken on hegemonic masculinity, toxic masculinity,
hostile masculinity, patriarchy, feminism, sexual harassment and violence against women, visual learning
and social media. Mainly we used Google Scholar and JSTOR.
But because this is a Visual Communications thesis, the second part explored how the very same media and
tools used to spread this form of toxic masculinity can also be used to promote more positive forms of
masculinity. These tools were developed with the help and guidance of media studies experts, psychologists,
sociologists, feminists, educators as well as the help of young male member of a University of the Philippines -
based fraternity.
Research Instruments
Questions for Sociologists
Part 1: Explaining the phenomenon
Have you heard of the recent phenomena called Pastor Hokage Bible Study Groups?
What sociological factors do you think contribute to the rise of these groups among Filipino men and teens?
What is toxic masculinity?
Do you think there is a specifically Filipino form of toxic masculinity as opposed to more Western or perhaps
East Asian versions?
Part 2:
Do you think the Internet contributes to the rise of these groups?
Do you think it contributes to the spread of these groups?
Part 3: Nurturing positive forms of masculinity
How can more positive forms of masculinity be promoted among young Filipino men and teens?
Can the Internet play a role in nurturing more positive forms of masculinity among young Filipino men and
teens?
Hokage
The term “Hokage” is lifted from the world-renowned Japanese manga and Japanese animation series Naruto,
which became popular at the turn of the millennium and the noughties (1998-2008), at around the time that
the majority of “pastors” were anywhere between their pre-school and pre-adolescent years.
Although the term only means village l eader in Japanese, in the anime Naruto, “Hokage” is portrayed as a
very powerful man who rules over a village, who is better than average in performing powerful spells.
“Hokage” in Naruto refers to a village leader who is also the village’s strongest ninja . As used by PHBG
members, however, it misogynistically refers to a man who is “talented” in enticing women to do his sexual
bidding. (Mary Rose Angel C. Balasa) To say you’re a hokage means that you’re quick and highly tactical –
more like an adept ninja – in terms of sexual prowess.
The term has now, in fact, become unquestionably part of Filipino Millennial-speak: taking into account
the concept of a ‘Hokage’ as a person with the ability to perform distinct and powerful spel ls, Pinoy youth now
use the term for men who are able to skillfully steal kisses/hugs/sexual touches from women or convince
women to do their sexual bidding.
The following is a listing of Pastor Hokage Bible Study Groups that were reported by Catcalled in the
Philippines, and taken down by Facebook:
Table of Pastor Hokage Bible
(Before these were taken down by Facebook after being reported)
Facebook pages that sprung up after the original groups were reported and taken down:
- Pinakamalupet na Hokage
- Lord Hokage
- Pastor Hokage
- The Official Facebook Page of Bible Study ni Pastor Hokage
- Pinay Breezy Hokage
- Galawang Hokage
- Hokage Masters Version 1
- Bible STUDy Ni PastorHokage
- Loading Hökägé. 100%
- Pastor Hokage
Twitter groups that sprung up after the original groups were reported and taken down:
- https://twitter.com/PastorHokage
- https://twitter.com/rbreezyboy117
- https://twitter.com/Stiminiw11
Websitest that sprung up after the original groups were reported and taken down:
- Rbreezy
- PastorHokage
http://duterteandbato.blogspot.com/2017/06/this -woman-received-friend-requests-and.html
http://hdloads.work/file/pastor_hokage
http://piemp4.com/video/bible-study-at-pastor-hokage
http://piemp4.com/video/file/pastorhokagenet-iba-talaga-si?id=2X1FUn8cPj4
http://wapvd.co/video/pastor-hokage-bible-study-group
http://www.bhojpurivideos.info/?q=bible+study+ni+pastor+hokage\
http://www.pokeclip.com/x-pastor+hokage+bible+study
https://24hnews.info/chuyen-muc/bible-study-of-pastor-hokage.html
https://24hnews.info/chuyen-muc/bible-study-of-pastor-hokage.html
https://invidio.us/watch?v=_q7pX0s5CSg
https://kiss2anime.com/pastora-natalie-rose-velasquez-at-pastorhokage-net-videoid-C7oRV-57Pkw-
kissanime.html
https://kiss2anime.com/pastora-natalie-rose-velasquez-at-pastorhokage-net-videoid-C7oRV-57Pkw-
kissanime.html
https://maxspeed.site/category/pastor-hokage-group
https://speedwealthy.com/search/pastor-hokage-bible-study-group
https://thetv.info/Bible+Study+of+Pastor+Hokage+Facebook+group+videos
https://www.clip.fail/search?k=Bible+Study+of+Pastor+Hokage+Facebook+group
https://www.dotabuff.com/esports/teams /4984884-bible-study-of-pastor-hokage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH5f0f3tMeA
https://y2mate.icu/video/category/Pastor-Hokage.html
These groups have been simply blasé, treating security issues lightly. Before they were shut down on
Facebook, they only implemented the most rudimentary of security measures: First, their Facebook group
privacy settings were generally set to ‘closed’. With these settings, people could only become members by
being invited by another member, or by requesting membership. Then, aspiring members had to answer the
security question, (P*****I**M* sino nagturo sayo dito?) But administrators didn’t take that question as a
password, and were lax with accepting members. So much so that the original group ended up with 2.8 million
members.
A number of former members we chatted with informally, as well as some interviewed by another
research group based in the Polytechnic University of the Philippines (Mary Rose Angel C. Balasa) said they
didn’t even know they were members until friends pointed it out to them.
After they were reported, a number of administrators of these groups resorted to communicating via
‘group chats’ where members could freely upload sexual content. Unlike Facebook groups, chats were more
secure. Both venues allowed the sharing of sexually explicit content, but the content posted on the Facebook
walls could be reported by other individuals and removed by Facebook due to displaying nudity content.
Breaking the Law
As discussed briefly in earlier portions of this paper, Internet pornography is a typical feature of the modern
world and it is not within the s cope of this paper – nor the inclination of this researcher – to moralize about
sexual mores. What is appalling with these groups and the subculture it spawned is not the content’s sexual
nature, after all, but the fact that these were taken, uploaded and shared without consent.
According to reports of those who left the group, revenge porn is popular among PHBSG members. During
“Bible Study” group chats, members would post nude photos or sex videos of the women or teenage girls they
once had intimate relationships with.
This was confirmed by Escobar in his feature story. He also claimed that some of the groups circulate child
pornography.
“Pag-uusapan nila kung anong gusto nilang gawin sa babae...yun talagang pinakamasama na pwede mong
gawin sa babae, sa ganung' kontexto, sasabihin nila, it doesn't matter kung bata 'yung girl,” (They would talk
about what they want to do with the girl sexually...the really worst thing they could do to her, and in that
context, they claimed, it didn’t matter if the female was a child,)” reports Koko Rodriguez of Catcalled in the
Philippines, who has been monitoring the secret groups. A 19-year old former member interviewed by PUP
researchers claimed there were photos and videos of high-school girls as young as 13 years old or 14 years old.
(Mary Rose Angel C. Balasa)
Some reports also claimed PHBSG members resorted to sextortion or blackmailing of former intimate
partners.
Two cases grabbed public attention. In the first case, Czarina Ching, now Business Development Specialist
at Asia Brewery Incorporated, reported in July 2017 that she received, out of the blue, messages from strange
men asking her how much she charged for sexual favors.
It wasn’t until a friend told her that a photo of her was posted in one PHBSG. Apparently, someone named
Tenzen Xiao had posted the innocent woman’s photos in the group, claiming that Ching needed “help.” The
post included personal information: her age, location and described her as being “fresh.” She had a pric e tag
attached to her of Php5,000 (nearly $100 USD) for two pops. (ABS-CBN News)
In another case, the mother of a 14-year old girl filed a complaint against a PHBSG group administrator
with the National Bureau of Investigation Cybercrime Division after he had used her photo as the wall photo of
their group. (Alcaide)
A 19-year-old student from the Polytechnic University of the Philippines who became a PHBSG member
said she witnessed the posting of photos of ordinary high school students and the objectification of these girls
by the pastors. (Mary Rose Angel C. Balasa)
Thus, while PHBSG members have not and do not engage in their illegal activities purposely or even
mindfully – or with an awareness of the sexual harassment and cybercrime laws that they are violating – the
objective and activities of the PHBSGs were clearly misogynistic from the very start.
The “pastors” “got off” on the realization that they were doing all of these things – taking, posting and
sharing content – without the consent or even knowledge of the women, stresses freelance photographer and
nude model Brenda Depasupil, one of the administrators of Catcalled in the Philippines, the Facebook group
that vigilantly monitored and reported the PHBSGs to the Facebook administration until most of them were
taken down. (Philippines)
Even in cases where nudes or other sexual material were indeed shared by s ome women privately with
the men, who then went on the share these with their respective “Bible Study” groups – the power dynamic is
still very clear, Despi notes. (Despi) Toxic masculinity, after all, identifies women as objects to “collect”, use, or
to compete with other men for, Ado emphasizes. (Ado, Interview no. 1)
Alarmingly only a fifth (22.9% ) of the men who had committed rape had ever been sent to prison for any
period, and studies conducted in South Africa also produced similar results, both in the reasons given for rape
as well as the low levels of punishment. (Y. S. Rachel Jewkes)
As it is, the situation is already dismal: a fourth of Filipinas (24%) say they have experienced physical,
emotional or sexual violence from their current or most recent husband/partner, according to the Philippines
National Demographic and Health Survey conducted by the Phili ppine Statistics Authority in 2017. (Philippine)
The survey also shows that the experience of violence is twice more likely among women belonging to the
lowest economic quintile – or the very same economic classes that attract the largest numbers of PHBSG
members. According to the survey, while 12% of women in the highest wealth quintile have experienced
violence since age 15, 21% of women in the lowest wealth quintile have experienced physical violence since
age 15. (Philippine)
What’s more, the actual numbers of Filipina women who suffer from sexual violence are bound to be
vastly higher, taking into consideration the Iceberg of Sexual Coercion (see Review of Related Literature,
Section B) where reported assaults belong to the tip and upper parts of the iceberg, while the vast majority of
sexual crimes that remain invisible, and the silenced women who survive them, occupy the hidden base.
Pastor Hokage Bible Study Groups Perpetrate Actual Violence against Women
What’s worse is that, through their activities, these groups already perpetrate violence against women – and
quite routinely, too.
Emotional violence is still violence, after all. Psychologists point out that for most women, the mere threat
of violence is experienced neurobiologically as actual violence. Women who experience online gender -based
violence like revenge porn or having their intimate photos and videos shared online experience the following:
- Their cortisol levels shoot up
- Their limbic system gets fired
- They lose sleep
- They lose productivity at work and school
Often, the women also experience symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) long after the
incident of online violence occurred. (Mudasir Kamal)
Pastor Hokage Bible Study Culture Harms Men and Society as a Whole
Violence against women impairs, nullifies and violates women’s enjoyment of their human rights. When
women’s rights are violated, this inhibits them from contributing fully to society and to the development
process or to peacemaking in places of conflict. Consequently, violence against women or gender -based
violence is an obstacle to the attainment of global development and peace. (Nations) (Edited by Etienne G.
Krug)
Meanwhile, even the “pastors” themselves are harmed by the toxic masculinity they engage in and promote.
While sexual objectification is the trait most openly manifested by the “pastors,” this is just one o f many traits
that, taken together, form toxic masculinity.
Aside from believing that they should be hypersexual and should use sex to dominate or humiliate women,
men who subscribe to toxic masculinity also hold the following attitudes in their belief s ystem:
1. Equating being emotional with being hysterical, thereby not expressing emotions other than anger.
2. Refusing the help they need because they think “real men” should be self-sufficient.
3. Choosing to settle disputes through violence.
4. Thinking that men should be physically tough in order to intimidate others.
5. Being afraid to show affection for other men and equating this to being sexually attracted to other men.
6. Thinking that it is embarrassing to be being mistaken for a girl or to have traits usually a ssociated with
being feminine.
Psychologists have warned that toxic masculinity places boys and men at a higher risk for school discipline,
academic challenges and health problems like cardiovascular problems and substance abuse. (American
Psychological Association)
Toxic masculinity is also the very reason why men are overrepresented in prisons, are more likely than
women to commit violent crimes and are at greatest risk of being a victim of violent crime. (Salam, What Is Toxic
Masculinity? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/22/us/toxic -masculinity.html)
As Richie ‘Reseda’ Edmond-Vargas points out, the pay-off for toxic masculinity is bad relationships,
loneliness, and life in prison. Edmond-Vargas is a former inmate at the Correctional Training Facility in Soledad,
California who, after going through therapy came to many realizations about how toxic masculinity affected his
life. In February 2014, Edmond-Vargas launched a program to teach inmates about toxic masculinity and how
changing their deep-seated beliefs would also help them change their lives for the better. (Nonko)
Sadly, young men and male teenagers across the world still tend to hold fast to a number of toxic
masculinity values. A 2013 Australian survey among young males between 16 –24 years found that young men
who held views consistent with toxic masculinity were more likely than other men to have poor mental health
(including feeling depressed, hopeless or s uicidal), to seek help from only a narrow range of sources, and to be
involved in binge drinking and traffic accidents. (Anita Harris)
This corresponds with a large number of other studies that show that men who endorse toxic masculinity
views are more likely than other men to have greater health risks and engage in poor behaviors. They are
more likely to consider suicide, drink excessively, take risks at work and drive dangerously. (Y. Joel Wong)
The Anti-Violence against Women and Children Act of 2004, Republic Act 9262
Under Republic Act 9262 or the Anti -Violence Against Women and their Children Act of 2004, the acts of
revenge porn committed by PHBSGs members is considered sexual violence against a former intimate partner,
and is deemed a crime that is punishable by imprisonment of anywhere between six to 12 years. (12th
Congress of the Philippines)
The Anti-VAWC law does not only punish flagrant and grave sexual crimes such as sexual assault and rape
– it also includes in its definition of “sexual violence” matters such as “sexual harassment, acts of
lasciviousness, treating a woman or her child as a sex object, making demeaning and sexually suggestive
remarks.” And all of these are punishable by law. (12th Congress of the Philippines)
When a “pastor” takes intimate photos or sex videos of a girlfriend, wife, date or in timate partner – or
former intimate partner – and uploads and shares it with his PHBSG, he can be liable for "sexual violence," or
“psychological violence” or “public ridicule or humiliation” – all of which are considered acts of violence
against women. (12th Congress of the Philippines)
Because the posting of such intimate content on an online group with thousands of members may place a
woman “in fear of imminent physical harm,” this act may be found punishable by arresto mayor, or
imprisonment of up to six years. (12th Congress of the Philippines)
Meanwhile, because these acts can be construed by the law as “engaging in purposeful, knowing, or
reckless conduct, personally or through another, that alarms or causes substantial emotional or psychological
distress to the woman or her child,” courts can even choose to impose a higher punishment: prision mayor, or
imprisonment of up to 12 years. (12th Congress of the Philippines)
In addition to imprisonment, the perpetrator is also liable to pay a fine of Php100,000.00 –Php300,000.00.
This is on top of restitution for actual damages caused by the violence inflicted, which includes but is not
limited to, property damage, medical expenses, childcare expenses and loss of income. (12th Congress of the
Philippines) Victims may also claim compensatory and moral and exemplary damages. (National Commission
on the Role of Filipino Women (NCRFW), departments of justice (DOJ),interior and local government (DILG),
social welfare (DSWD), Philippine National Police, Kalakasan Foundation Inc., Women's Crisis Center, Women's
Legal Bureau)
Notably, under R.A. 9262’s Implementing Rules and Regulations, violence against women and their
children is considered a public offense. This means it is not only the victim who can file a complaint. Any
citizen – the Facebook group CatCalled in the Philippines, for instance, or any NGO having personal knowledge
of PHBSG activities – can sue the “pastors.”
Aside from police personnel, barangay officials are also deputized to arrest violators of VAW. The law also
requires the justice department to ensure that VAWC cases are disposed speedily of within 45 days. (National
Commission on the Role of Filipino Women (NCRFW), departments of justice (DOJ),interior and local
government (DILG), social welfare (DSWD), Philippine National Police, Kalakasan Foundation Inc., Women's
Crisis Center, Women's Legal Bureau)
The Anti-Photo and Video Voyeurism Act of 2009 or Republic Act No. 9995
Another law that very explicitly deals with the activities of PHBSGs is the Anti -Photo and Video Voyeurism
Act of 2009 or Republic Act No. 9995. This law criminalizes the taking, copying or reproducing, selling or
distributing, publishing or broadcasting of photos or videos of:
- A person /group of persons performing a sexual act or any similar activity
- The private area of a person/s such as the naked or undergarment clad genitals, pubic area, buttocks
or female breast
which are taken/uploaded/posted/shared without consent of the person/s involved or under
circumstances in which the person/s has/have a reasonable expectation of privacy.
These acts are punishable by imprisonment of three to seven years, a fine of P100,000.00 to P500,000.00,
or both. (14th Congress of the Philippines)
In addition, realizing the fact that content-related crimes committed in Cyberspace have the potential to
magnify the scale and reach of the crime, as well as its lifespan – and consequently magnify the pain inflicted
on victims – the Cybercrime Act of 2012 has a provision that imposes a punishment of one degree higher for all
crimes under the Revised Penal Code when these had been committed with the aid of the Internet, ICTs or on
Cyberspace.
There is one controversial provision of this law that is heavily debated because of its potential to invade
the privacy of persons who are engaged in consensual sexual activity online is the section that punishes
“cybersex.”
R.A. 10175 defines cybersex as “the willful engagement, maintenance, control or operation, directly or
indirectly, of any lascivious exhibition of sexual organs or sexual activity, with the aid of a computer system, for
favor or consideration.”
Persons found guilty of cybersex face imprisonment of anywhere from six to 12 years or a fine of at least
P200,000 but not exceeding P1 million. (15th Congress of the Philippines)
Under this law, child pornography is any representation of a child engaged or involved in real or simulated:
- Sexual intercourse or lascivious act including, but not limited to, contact involving genital to genital,
oral to genital, anal to genital, or oral to anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex
- Bestiality
- Masturbation
- Sadistic or masochistic abuse
- Lascivious exhibition of the genitals, buttocks, breasts, pubic area and/or anus or
- Use of any object or instrument for lascivious acts (14th Congress of the Philippines)
Notably, R.A. 9775 includes a person regardless of age who is presented, depicted or portrayed as a child,
as defined in the said law (Section 3) and any computer -generated, digitally or manually crafted image or
graphics of a person who is represented as or made to appear as a child. (R.A. 9775, Section 3) (14th Congress
of the Philippines)
Here’s a table of the routine activities of Pastor Hokage Bible Study Group members and how these activities
are construed by the Anti -Child Pornography Act and punished. Take note of the very steep penalties that await
administrators of these groups.
Imprisonment Fine
Term
Having nude photos or sex videos “To possess any form of child Six months Php50,000.00–
of teenage girls pornography” Php100,000.00
Looking at nude photos or sex “To willfully access any form of Six years Php200,000.00–
videos of teenage girls found in child pornography” Php300,000.00
PHBSG online
Uploading, sharing and “To conspire to commit any of the Two years and Php100,000.00–
commenting on nude photos or prohibited acts” which is defined four months Php250,000.00.
sex videos of teenage girls on by the law simply as when two or
PHBSG online more persons come to an
agreement concerning the
commission of any of the said
prohibited acts under R.A. 9775
and decide to commit it”
“To publish, offer, transmit, sell, 20 years Php1,000,000.00–
distribute, broadcast, advertise, Php2,000,000.00
promote, export or import any
form of child pornography”
The crime of child pornography is 20 and 40 Php2,000,000.00–
deemed committed by a years Ph5,000,000.00.
syndicate if carried out by a group
of three (3) or more persons
conspiring or confederating with
one another
Administrators of PHBSGs who “To possess any form of child 14 years and Php750,000.00–
engage in selling the explicit pornography with the intent to eight months Php1,000,000.00
materials they have gathered sell, distribute, publish, or
broadcast”
(14th Congress of the Philippines)
In addition, because these crimes were committed through the use of ICTs, they are also punishable under
the Cybercrime Prevention Act of 2012. Under this law, child pornography is con sidered a content-related
offense and the penalty for such crimes committed through a computer system is one degree higher than that
provided for in Republic Act 9775, or the Anti -Child Pornography Act of 2009. (15th Congress of the
Philippines)
The Anti-Cybercrime Law also punishes the aiding and abetting of a cybercrime and attempting to commit
a cybercrime with imprisonment that is one degree lower than that of the prescribed penalty for the offense
or a fine of at least P100,000 but not exceeding P500,000, or both. (Congress of the Philippines) (15th
Congress of the Philippines) (Department of Justice)
This definition exposes the activities of Pastor Hokage Bible Study Groups for what they really are:
misogynistic acts.
The proposed laws would impose a penalty of imprisonment between five and 10 years, a fine of
Php100,000.00–Php500,000.00, or both, at the discretion of the court.
Equally important, the Gender-based Electronic Violence Act of 2016 provides for what i s called a GBEV
protection order that courts can issue to:
- Prevent further acts of gender-based electronic violence from happening
- Safeguard the victim from further harm and electronic violence
- Minimize any disruption in the victim’s daily life and activities, including social media activities
The proposed law also provides for the mandatory education against gender -based electronic violence
that includes holding age-appropriate educational modules against gender-based electronic violence that
should be developed by the Department of Education (DepEd).
A Toxic Mix of Sociological, Psychological and Technological Factors Give Spawn and Nurture PHBSGs
It is not the intention of this thesis to moralize or to attack the young men and teenagers who became
members of Pastor Hokage Bible Study Groups. That these groups were able to attract hundreds of thousands
– even millions – of members indicates that there are very powerful systemic, sociological and psychological
factors that gave rise to these groups and nurtured them.
It is the belief of this researcher that the first step to countering this phenomenon is to understand these
factors.
Technology’s Impact on Sexuality
The men who join Pastor Hokage Bible Study Groups and similar groups, are mostly Millennials or Generation
Zers, males born after 1980, all of whom were born into, and grew up in, today’s Digital Age.
Throughout their lives, they were surrounded by Cyberspace – that non-physical, “virtual reality” created
on the Internet within which they communicate with one another, shop, conduct business, find information,
play, govern institutions and countries, and even create and nurture friendships and intimate relationships.
(Benedikt) (Beal)
For most of the people today (except for the most of Africa that remains unconnected), everyday lives are
saturated with social media. What more for Millennials and Gen Zers across the world? Consider that these
web-based communication tools that ena ble us to interact with each other by both sharing and consuming
information are almost just as old as the Millennials themselves. This means that these young people never
lived in a world without the Internet and social media – it’s almost as if they live inside social media, or at least
the boundaries between their lives online and their lives offline are blurred.
Sites like MySpace and LinkedIn became popular in the early 2000s, when the Millennials were school-age
children and Generation Zs were toddlers . Sites like Photobucket and Flickr facilitated online photo sharing in
the years when they were growing up. These two generations got their information more from YouTube,
which came out in 2005, than from schools, the church or any other institution.
Then, add to that the fact that Filipinos are the world’s top users of social media, spending almost twice
the worldwide average time spent on social media. The average is two hours, 16 minutes; Filipinos spend four
hours and 12 minutes on social media sites. We also spend a considerably higher amount of time on the
Internet: On average, Filipinos spend 10 hours and two minutes a day on the Internet on any device; the
worldwide average for hours spent on the Internet is six hours, 42 minutes. Facebook is the social media
platform Filipinos tend to use the most. (ABS-CBN News)
What does this mean for our young “pastors”? It means that traditional norms and values do not hold
sway over their minds. Traditional social institutions like the home, schools and church – these have less
impact on the way the youth think today, far less than the impact they had on previous generations of
youth. Meanwhile, everything on the Internet has the potential to have more influence on the youth than
traditional institutions.
Sexuality is the one aspect of their lives that has been impacted the most by the Internet, for better or
for worse. As discussed earlier in the Review of Related Literature, contraceptive technologies brought a split
between sexuality and procreation, enabling a more “plastic” sexuality that allowed sex for pleasure, a freer
expression of sexuality outside the traditional binaries that are fixed by biology and social norms: heterosexual
or homosexual, marital (legitimate) vis -à-vis extramarital (illegitimate), committed or promiscuous, normal
(coital) or perverse (anal, autoerotic, sadomasochistic). (Giddens)
As this “plastic” sexuality became a feature of the 20 th and 21 st centuries, the new Internet technologies
have also began to rapidly transform human sexualities in very profound ways. (Fisher)
What does this mean for our young “pastors”? This means that they have grown up in a very sexualized
world, for better or worse. Today sex surround them 24/7. The Internet provides a continuous stream of
pornography that is easily available.
Technology has also altered the way all people – and especially the young – engage in erotic scripts – and
is rewriting these into something that can collectively be called a “digisexuality.” Or what young UP sociology
researcher Jane Ado calls “technosexuality,” that right now involves the variety of tech -based interactions that
are already familiar to us – sexting and sex chats via Facebook, Snapchat, cybersex through Skype, looking for
hookups on apps like Tinder, Happn, Grindr and Bumble. For Millennials and Gen Zers these are all just run -of-
the-mill.
Meanwhile, since 1994, there has been a rise in the proportion of 18 -24 old youth having sex before the
age of 18 – from just above 10 percent in 1994 to almost 24% in 2013. (University of the Philippines Population
Institute (UPPI))
As discussed earlier in the Review of Related Literature, these new technologies have set off digisexuality
and a new sexual revolution. But they also have a dark side. New media has also helped spread and make child
pornography more accessible. Technology has also contributed to normalizing sexual and gendered violence.
In fact, a new form of gender violence – online gender-based violence – has evolved across the world.
Double Standard
Spanish colonization also helped promote the Chri stian ideas of the reverence of the Virgin Mary, premarital
virginity, a wife's fidelity to her husband, and the notion of a woman's role as a "nurturing mother.”
Consequently, up to today, a majority of Filipinos still hold the belief that men should choo se to marry virgin
women and that women should keep and maintain their virginity until marriage.
On the other hand, male sexual indiscretion is routinely tolerated and even encouraged and cheered on –
note that the two most popular presidents – Joseph Estrada and Rodrigo Duterte were openly philanderers.
Filipino men are predisposed to openly and indiscreetly staring at and regarding women maliciously. All these
contradict the supposed Filipino virtues of modesty, humility and adherence to tradition but they are clearly
widespread and accepted as normal.
The truth of the matter is that the Pastor Hokage Bible Study groups have sprung out of this hypocritical
soil: PHBSGs were begun by young men as a way to circumvent the blocking of online porn sites by internet
service providers and office IT administrators. (Layug)
As Gabriel Angelo Guilas, occupational therapist and former PHBSG member points out in our interview
with him, Filipinos are pressured to be “conservative” and this seems to contribute to the growth of PHBSGs.
Since sex education is not taught properly, since it is a taboo in our culture, young people turn to risky
sexual behaviors online and end up doing more harm than good. (Guilas)
Digital marketing professional Kenneth Yu agrees with this perspective in a group interview with Catcalled
in the Philippines. Because Filipinos are now sexually repressed – it’s taboo to speak of sexual matters, so
there’s a pushback, he says. At the same time, the parents of the Millennial and Gen Z “pastors” are often not
as tech-savvy or media literate, so they grew up without parental supervision of their digital explorations,
notes Jane Vinculado. (Vinculado)
Even Prof. Nathalie Africa-Verceles, Director of the UP Center for Women's Studies admits that the growth of
PHBSGs could be partly due to hypocrisy and religious influence in Philippine society. (Vinculado)
This could be indicated by the fact that the groups use religious terms not only for practical reasons – as
way to prevent their discovery by Facebook, which bans sexually explicit aside from violent content – but also
to express their deep-seated cynicism for the traditional Catholicism-influenced sexual mores.
Virgin-Whore Dichotomy
The virgin-whore dichotomy that exists in the Filipino psyche today also contributes to the growth of Pastor
Hokage Bible Study Groups. This was pointed out by member of the Catcalled in the Philippines in a group
interview with them for this thesis. Also known as the Madonna -whore dichotomy, it is a way of thinking that
denotes polarized perceptions of women as either“good and chaste” or as “bad and promiscuous.”
Notes Talia Ruiz, who is also a psychology major, points out: “Fi lipino women who express any sense of
sexuality or any sense of vanity and self-assurance are judged … and society wants to destroy them for it. And
while we expect our women to be chaste and virginal, we also expect our men to have “experience.” She also
said this dichotomy was manifested by common expressions such as the term “ginagamit ako ng asawa ko” (I
am being used by my husband) to refer to the act of having sex with one’s husband. This is a very misogynistic
term, she points out. (Mikers Litton)
Kenneth Yu, Digital marketing professional also lamented this dichotomy: “Women can only be one or the
other there's no midway of okay this person is smart and wholesome and intelligent and respectable, but also
has sexual needs and is a sexual being.” (Mikers Litton)
The virgin-whore dichotomy is also associated with an endorsement of patriarchy, and plays a role in the
policing women and limiting their sexual freedom. It is also associated with the toxic masculinity we’ve
Control over women and aggression is one of the seven pillars of toxic masculinity, after all, as well
hypersexuality, self-sufficiency, toughness, physical attractiveness, rigid gender roles, and heterosexuality and
homophobia. (Connell, Maculinities)
Dialectic Relationship between Patriarchy and Pastor Hokage Bible Study Groups
At the start of this section it was pointed out that Pastor Hokage Bible Study groups promote toxic
masculinity, the normalization of sexual objectification and violence against women. At this point we need
to point out that the relationship is not one way. In the same way that these groups promote these social
evils, these social evils already existed in society before these PHBSGs formed – in fact, these social evils
contributed to growing these groups. The relationship is mutualistic in a bad sense. Or, put in another way,
it’s a vicious cycle.
As Sociology researcher Jane Ado points out, citing French sociologist, anthropologist, philosopher and
public intellectual Anthony Bourdieu, cyberspace only replicates the social spaces or social structures outside.
(Ado, Interview no. 1) Philippine society is still very patriarchal, she says.
Communication professional and Catcalled in the Philippines administrator Mikkers Litton further notes
that the general disrespect towards women that the young “pastors” show in their routine activities – this
comes from their fathers, their uncles, their kuyas (older brothers) – all those with strong male influences.
“Kids don't like being left out and any sign of behavior that doesn't fit the bill of 'what a man should be' can
leave young men at a disadvantage. So much so that often, it can be a choice between changing their thinking
and behavior to fit in, or facing violence from other men. (Mikers Litton)
Adolescent Psychology, Physiology – Factors
It used to be thought that adolescence – the transition from chi ldhood to adulthood – ended at age 19, but
now scientists are recommending extending this period to make it last from the ages of 10 to 24. They say this
longer period fully encompasses elements of biological growth and major social role transitions, both of which
have changed in the past century.
Rather than age 10–19 years, a definition of 10–24 years corresponds more closely to adolescent growth
and popular understandings of this life phase, scientists assert, and they are supported in this by the globa l
health authorities (WHO, International Association for Child and Adolescent Psychiatry and Allied Professions)
and even the United Nations.
An expanded and more inclusive definition of adolescence is essential if the world’s authorities would be
able to frame developmentally appropriate laws, social policies and service systems. (Susan M. Sawyer)
In this context, it is hard to condemn the young men and teenagers who become members of Pastor
Hokage Bible Study Groups. For sure they should be encouraged to immediately stop their activities, rethink
their views on women and even be held accountable for their past acts. However, they cannot be simply
condemned.
For one, almost all of them are young – ergo, still very much flexible and capable of changing their ways of
thinking. Most of them, in fact are adolescents. Apart from internalized misogyny and toxic masculinity which
they can’t be faulted solely for absorbing those from the society around them
It is during this period when the “pastors” are discovering their selves and their sexuality. It is being part of
a community that emboldens them to intensify your toxic masculinity, says Jane Vinculado (Vinculado)
As Gabriel Guilas, who is studying to be an occupational therapist that specializes on psychosocial and
mental health, pointed out, physiology also seems to play a role. In our interview with him he pointed out:
“Pornographic images tend to be addictive and floods the brain with the pleasure neurotransmitter
“dopamine” with just a single click from the groups or websites. The adrenaline thrill is also present since
the stimuli – the nudes/sexual videos – are a novel stimuli since they know in the back of their heads that
the involved women do not even know that they are being physically exposed. (Guilas)
Adolescents have sexual feelings and a surge of hormones that they may not be equipped to process – so
sadly, they will generally follow the adults who dictate their behavior. (Mikers Litton)
Add that all to the usual peer pressure that the young are very susceptible to. As Professor Vinculado
points out many of the pastors acted they way they did simply because they did not want to be outcasts.
(Vinculado)
As our investigation showed, one of the reasons the “pastors” gave for joining PHBSGs was
social bonding, because these groups gave them a sense of community and belonging. In one of our
discussions the men said that there was a pressure for them to be “kupal, if kupal din yung barkada (act as
assholes if their peers were acting that way). Otherwise, they faced “excommunication.”
As noted earlier, the gaming system employed by the PHBSGs pressured many of the members to post
new content and social currency and that pressure served to numb them from any feelings of conscience.
Then of course, there’s the need of every human being – whether young or not – to feel important. Each
time a “pastor” posted new content, he got validated and his social status in the group improved.
There are a number of addiction studies shed light on the addictive nature of getting Facebook ‘likes’ – at
the same time, bonding over danger can also bring about a dopamine rush.
Technology Enables the Rise of, and Nurtures, the Pastor Hokage Culture
Technology is then thrown into the mix of all these psychological, sociological and physiological factors and
everything gets magnified or turbo-charged.
At the very surface, there’s the fact that technology makes things easier and speedier. The private high-
speed information transfer allows the sending of pictures and videos in easy ways, notes Gabriel Guilas.
(Guilas)
As Communications professor Vinculado points out: yung ability to share photos, ‘yung click lang, ‘yung
technological aspect of it na pwede kang mag-click lang ‘yung picture sa phone mo tapos upload na agad. Hindi
katulad dati na walang internet, kailangan niyo na face to face pag ishe-share niyo ‘yung magazine, ‘yung mga
bastos na magazine kailangan may physical contact kayo. (Vinculado)
And then there’s the Online Disinhibition Effect that we discussed at great length in our Review of Related
Literature.
First there’s the fact that anonymity emboldens the “pastors” and makes them feel less accountable.
Anonymity increases adherence to whatever norm was primed in groups with whom participants identified (T.
Postmes)
Then, life in cyberspace tends to disrupt the elements that support each “pastor’s” self-boundary. His
physical body and five senses no longer play as crucial a role as they do in his daily in face-to-face
relationships. What others know or don't know about him is not always clear in his PHBSG. His feelings of a
linear past, present, and future becomes more obscure as he moves back and fo rth through synchronous and
asynchronous communication.
As a result, he comes to an altered state of consciousness in cyberspace, which tends to shift or destabilize
his self-boundary. For each “pastor,” the distinction between “inner -me” and “outer-other” becomes less
clear. The “pastor” then shifts to what psychoanalytic theory calls “primary process thinking” in which
boundaries between self and other representations become more diffuse. His thinking then becomes more
subjective and emotion-centered.
Within the transitional space of the online Pastor Hokage Bible Study Group, for each “pastor” the psyches
of self and others feel like they might be overlapping. At this point he allows the hidden self to surface – the
one that has less inhibitions – because he no longer experiences it as a purely inner self. At the same time he
also senses, sometimes vaguely and sometimes distinctly, the intrusion of an “unknown other” – a “collective
PHBSG consciousness” into his private world.
And in online environments, where there are delayed feedback, people’s train of thought may progress
more quickly and steadily towards deeper expressions of toxic disinhibition that breach social norms.
(Suler)Kali Munro, an online psychotherapist, aptly describes it as such: the person may be participating in an
“emotional hit and run”
As all our interviewees pointed out, Philippine society is awash with misogyny. There’s so much sexism and
anti-women sentiments, especially in enforcement agencies that have been traditionally male -dominated
like the police and the National Bureau of Investigation.
Then there is also the fact that the President of the Philippines, himself, is openly misogynist.
In addition, in the Philippine setting, the laws are not enforced and our justice system is corrupt and
broken.
As Cidee Despi points out in our interview with her: “Ang hirap talaga kung legi slation front eh, hindi
talaga ako confident diyan. Even if it’s implemented, yeah, sinong implementors niyan? Ni sexual abuse nga ‘di
natin maprotektahan yung mga babae eh, pa’no pa kaya ‘yung ganitong level na parang normalized? Paano pa
nila itatrato yun? (Despi)
And then, simply taking down the Pastor Hokage Bible Study Groups will not work. As we know, these
groups just go underground and resurface elsewhere, in another platform. The Internet is only a part of the
real world, too, after all, and taking down these groups does not eradicate the way of thinking that spawned
them in the first place.
What is needed is to address the way of thinking and this involves changing the minds of the “pastors”
themselves – making them realize that what they are doing is harmful to women, to society and even to
themselves. It’s a battle for the minds and hearts of these young men who are attracted to, or pressured
into, or addicted to a thinking that makes them join PHBSGs.
In terms of tactics, it is very clear that the battle arena is the very space that spawned these groups:
Cyberspace and social media.
There are a number of studies that show that even online disinhibition effect can be benign – can be
used for positive social change.
Shock value is important in order to grab the attention of “pastors” in an Internet where thousands of
websites vie for their attention. At the same time, care must be taken not to use shaming as a tactic, as
shaming is not effective. Humor and graphic el ements will likely do the trick.
Most importantly, it is important to include men themselves in the conversation. This must be done
from a place of empathy, says Cidee Despi.
We must clearly call out the “pastors” and hold them accountable for their ac ts in a way that is firm but
empathic. We need to create a platforms and a safe space for the men to come out and discuss this Pastor
Hokage Bible Study culture.
VI. SUMMARY, CONCLUSIONS & RECOMMENDATIONS
In July 2017, the Filipino public was shocked by news of the rapid and widespread growth of “Pastor Hokage
Bible Study Groups” (PHBSG). These groups are created for only one purpose: to host sexual feeding frenzies
on Facebook for young Filipino men and male teenagers. During such “frenzies,” members bond over sexual
and sexualized images and videos of women and even adolescent girls.
Shockingly, most of these photos or videos are taken, uploaded and shared without the consent or even
knowledge of the women or girls who are the subjects of these.
To be accepted as a “pastor”, a new member must present an “ambag.” This means he must contribute
new content for group members to scrutinize and enjoy. These can be slightly racy photographs of school -age
girls. Or it may be downright pornographic material, perhaps even videos of one’s wife as he has sex with her.
Members then bond with each other by expressing approval, mostly by commenting “Amen!” on this
“ambag.”
In the popular Japanese animation series Naruto, “Hokage” refers to the strongest ninja in a vi llage. But
for members of these PHBSGs, the term is misogynistically meant as a term of honor or a status to aspire to. It
is praise for a man who is able to entice a women to do his sexual bidding.
There are hundreds of these PHBSGs. Some of these have huge memberships that range from 9,000 to 2
million.
Outraged, some women and feminist groups reported these groups to Facebook, which promptly took
them down. But when reported, members just disappear underground, then reconvene in a new secret group,
again on Facebook or on another social media platform.
Our Solution
Because our research reveals that PHBSGs thrive in, and promote, toxic masculinity in an online setting,
our Visual Communications project aims to use the very same environment, media and tools to challenge toxic
masculinity and to promote more positive forms of masculinity.
Current projects – mostly “good men” or “bystander” projects from the U.S. that aim to promote positive
masculinity also show that shaming men is not an effective way to end displays of toxic masculinity. Instead,
psychologists say the most effective way is to encourage them to see the consequences of their beha vior or to
encourage them to put themselves in the shoes of the women the objectify.
Our solution to the problem is an interactive design and social media campaign project that includes a
landing page or website, social media cards, online zines and comics.
Future Research
We therefor recommend that this project be turned over the University of the Philippines Center for Women’s
and Gender Studies, where it can be refined further and used as an actual tool in their ongoing campaigns to
end sexual objectification and harassment both within and without the University of the Philippines
community. This way, the social media campaign’s effectivity can be tested and honed for future use by other
women’s rights and gender rights groups.
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ANNEXES
KEY INTERVIEWS WITH EXPERTS
Interview # 1
Name of recoding: REC20190405195529
Date: 4/5/2019
Interviewer: Isis Molintas
Interviewee:Jasmin Ado
J: Ako si Jasmin Ado, 24 years old. Nag-aaral ako ng Masters in Sociology since 2015. 2019 na ngayon, so
definitely 4th year na ako. Thesis na lang inaatupag ko and on the other side for me and my corporate
work, hubadera ako.
Pero before that, I wasn’t really into this thing before I did my research. So, my research is about
technosexuality – Filipino technosexuality. It rel ies on the intimate exchanges among individuals. So, I’ll
be answering part 1 – explaining the phenomenon. I would say na these online dating applications or
in short ODA, have improved the lives of the people especially millennials. Sila yung nakita kong
particular part ng study ko kasi sa kanila ako pinaka nakakarelate. Especially in urban communities lang
siya available yung phenomenon kasi first of all, you have to have internet, GPS, at dapat yung structure
sa isang urban society ay magkakalapit. You can’t definitely do this in a rural society dapat kasi
magkakalapit kayo. Marami silang affordabilities na binibigay like locatability and then magagamit mo
siya through the use of your smartphone, so mas madali siyang ma -access. Ayun nga madami siyang
affordances, location affordances.
It disregards yung basic social structures like in traditional dating scenes, you would have to rely on
your peers, your organizations, your university, your government kung paano ka makakakilala ng tao,
whereas with these ODA - it trespasses all of that, wala kang boundaries in terms of meeting new people
regardless kung di mo sila kasama sa isang org or what have you. So, ang dami niyang affordances sa
mga tao. And, at the same time maaccess mo siya, specially sa mga times na hindi ka free – physically
free or available – for example nasa train ka or nasa bus ka, nagcocommute ka afford mong makapag
Tinder habang naghihintay, afford mong habang naghihintay ka kahit saan makahan ap ka ng potential
date mo. So sobrang daming benefits niya sa isang lipunan na sobrang traffic – there is a lot of structural
violence going on kasi bakit ba traffic, kasi syempre di natutugunan ng estado ang pangangailangan mo,
di natutugunan ng estado ang dapat sapat na transportasyon para makapunta ka from point A to B.
Also you are overworked wala kang time para makakita ng ibang tao.
J: So, essential siya para sa isang 21st century na pamumuhay, whether we like it or not. So, ang dami
niyang affordances pero sa kabilang banda ang pangit niya kasi ang sinasabi ni Bourdieu na itong
espasyo na ito ay nirereplicate lang din ang mga social spaces or social structure sa labas nito. So,
nirereplicate lang niya din ang patriarkal na lipunan ng Pilipinas kung saan mak ikita dito na – kahit na
sabihin natin na mayroon tayong gender equality or what have you, meron pa din kasing ibang mga tao
na hindi inaacknowledge ang espasyo ng babae sa lipunan at madalas ay ini -iframe ang babae na
objectified siya or she is something – para siyang trophy na kailangan siyang kolektahin.
So, dito na tayo papasok sa toxic masculinity. Ano ba ang toxic masculinity? Isa itong parte ng
maskulinidad na nakikita ang babae na di niya kapantay – na ito ay isang bagay na kinokolekta, hindi
siya kinokonsider na tao at ginagamit ang mga babae upang makipagtaasan siya ng ihi sa ibang lalake –
which is toxic din.
Sa tagal tagal ko nang nireresearch ‘to, nahihirapan din ako kasi ako bilang babae tsaka bilang
researcher. Nahihirapan ako sa posisyon ko bilang babae kasi una ica-call out ko ba ito si kuya? Pero
may research ethics na kailangan mong protektahan ang mga respondents mo, so hindi lang sila subject,
pero sila ay respondents, sila ay nabubuhay na tao kailangan din ng respeto. Di dapat sila naka kahon
na respondents lang sila. So, ayun siya for part 1.
So, part 2. Do you think that the internet contributes to the rise of these groups? Oo, kasi internet
affords you to become anonymous like di pa gaano'ng strikto, di actually strikto ang internet para
malaman kung sino ka, ano'ng pagkakakilanlan mo, sinong magulang mo , san ka nagtratrabaho. May
kapangyarihan ka para di siya idisclose. So, itong mga ‘to, pwede silang mag-ugnay na itong mga lalaking
ito na pwede nila iescape ang accountability kasi at any point pwede naman nilang sabihin na hindi sila
yun, nahack lang yung phone nila, pwedeng fake account basta pwede nilang takasan itong pagkakamali
if ever may nagagawa sila. And, this perpetuates toxic masculinity.
Tama naman na patriarkal pa din ang ating lipunan andun pa rin yung notion na “ay babae kasi,” “ay
lalaki kasi,” “kasi ganyan ganyan ganyan.” Dapat di ka nagpadala ng picture na to sa kanya. Pero di mo
kasi dapat vini-villainize ang mga taong nagpapadala nito kasi ang mga nude pictures a t dick pictures ay
isang form of shared intimacy. Bakit mo ba ginawa ‘to, bakit mo pinadala ito, kasi gusto mo yung taong
ito, gusto mong maging intimate sa kanya at may value sa’yo ‘tong tao na to.
Syempre bago mo naisip na picture-an mo yung sarili mo nang ganito, tinitingnan mo muna yung value
ng tao na ‘yun, kung ano siya sa’yo. Syempre pinag-isipan mo ‘yun magmula sa kung ano'ng angle,
paano mo nilinis yung sarili mo, ano yung background ng hubad mong larawan, lahat yung pinagisipan
mo bago mo siya i padala. So, yung value na yun, sadly nagiging currency siya for self-validation nung
other person. As much as this person validates you, this person also validates himself na nakatanggap
siya ng ganito sa’yo.
Pero, meron kasi unwritten rules na kapag nakatanggap ka ng ganito dapat iche-cherish mo siya, itatago
mo siya kasi isa itong tanda na pinagkakatiwalaan ka ng taong ito, na espesyal yung pagtingin ng taong
‘to sa’yo. Pero, ang nangyari kasi sa kabilang banda, nagiging currency siya ng self -validation sa mga
colleagues mo, sa mga peers mo, na itong babaeng ito nagpadala ng hubad na larawan sakin. Mas lalaki
ako kaysa sayo. And, there’s the term na “tangina pare sarap niyan ah,” so may ganon. So, if you want
to seek further self-validation, you would go into that. Ito ay isang esensya ng patriarka, ng toxic
masculinity, whereas kung mayroon talagang esensya ng gender equality, everything, or gender justice
kung paano mo ba dapat i -interpret ang isang bagay, hindi mo gagawin ‘yun.
I: Do you think it contributes to the spread of these groups? What other factors contribute to the spread
of these groups? Do you think there is a specific form of Filipino toxic masculinity compared to Western,
or perhaps East Asian versions? Kaya ko sinabi ito, kasi natuwa a ko na “pastor hokage” yung name. May
reason ba kung bakit may pagka-religious yung name?
J: Actually ginagawa nilang ganito yung pangalan para hindi siya kahina -hinalang pangalan, para
magmumukha siyang harmless. Kasi this is what you call a locker room talk ng mga kalalakihan. Syempre
‘di mo ila-label yung group chat na “labasan ng tite at puke” for starters, kasi alam nila na nang-gago
sila, alam nila na katarantaduhan ‘yung ginagawa nila, pero syempre, gusto nilang itago ito. ‘Yung nakita
kong chat na napasukan ko bilang researcher, pangalan niya “bistekville,” defunct na siya kasi from time
to time, lumilipat sila, nag-sasala sila ng mga members, kasi gusto nila di sila mahuhuli, kasi alam naman
nila na ilegal ‘tong ginagawa nila. Pwede sila makulong s a ginagawa nila. So, marami dito, mga pictures
na inu-upload nang walang consent ng mga babae. Iba meron, pero ‘yung madalas wala. So, minsan
nagvi-videocall, kinakantot nila, sorry for the word, kinakantot nila ‘yung babae, hindi alam ni ate. Pero
compared naman dun sa South Korea, medyo high-tech na sa South Korea.
J: Oo, pero dito mas gusto kasi nila ‘yung nahahawakan nila ‘yung camera kasi it adds to their agency na
“ako ‘yung kumuha nito, ‘di ko na kai langan i-double check kung nakuha ko ba ‘yung litrato o hindi.” It
adds up to their manliness na sila ‘yung may hawak ng phone. Sila ‘yung nag-press ng record.
Nadidictate nila sa’n nila ihaharap ‘yung camera. Sa pwet ba ng babae. Mas may ganoon, kumpara s a
Korea na iisang ganoon na mas hidden. Gusto nila na may added risk.
J: Tapos, I won’t not really judge the exhibitionist tendencies of people kasi first and foremost it’s a kink.
Pero, yung problema kasi dito, ‘yung agency ng babae, ‘yung consent. So, ‘yun ‘yung tinatake into
account. ‘Di ko jina-judge ‘yung kung ano ba ‘yung kinks nila. I’m not kinkshaming, okay. ‘Yung problema
lang talaga kasi is hindi siya na -disclose nang maayos sa babae. So, meron doon sa chat “ay nalaman
kasi ng girl kaya ini -stop ko ‘yung video call ” “Ay sayang naman tol, next time na lang”. Tapos, parang
walang sorry and everything. Wala, wala, walang ganun. Tapos, eto “may napicturan akong pepe ng
babae masarap ba,” tapos magcocomment sila “oo masarap.” “Eto bagong shave na puke masarap,
‘diba.” “Oo nakantot ko na ‘to, masarap siya.”
“Ang tambok ng puke niyan.” As in, talagang gano’n, gano’n ‘yung usap. Mamaya, kung kaya mong
masikmura, papakita ko sa’yo ‘yung groupchat. Kakalimutan mo na lang kung ano ‘yung pangalan nila
ha? Pero, syempre codenames codenames lang ‘yun, pero syempre kailangan pa rin protektahan ‘yung
identity nila.
So part 3, nurturing positive forms of masculinity. Number 1, you have to call out your fellow men. You
have to stop this barbarism, if you call that barbarism.
How can more positive forms of masculinity be promoted. Nurture consent. I know meron akong videos
pero may consent.
Dapat you have to respect women, you have to see women as an equal in doing these things.
Can the internet play a role in nurturing more positive forms of masculinity among young Filipino men
and teens? Oo, meron. Hindi lang dapat internet, kailangan may state intervention. Wala naman kasing
silbi yung NBI. Nagparalegal ako for a long time, na marami akong cases na nahandle n a cybercrime,
tapos ‘yung anti-voyeurism act yada yada yada. Walang nangyayari, ‘day. Last year pako nagfile ng case
for someone, ako yung paralegal. Wala pa ring nangyayari. Can media play a role in nurturing more
positive forms of masculinity among Filipino men and teens. Oo. Siguro more on infograph, researches,
tapos alam mo ‘yung mga short videos.
I: Yes, oo.
J: I know this is gonna be a long run, marami pang pag-uusapan, ganyan ganyan. Marami pang mga
usapang lalaki na kailangan i -ganyan.
J: As teachers and media studies experts, can you suggest pedagogical methods of nurturing more
positive forms of masculinity? Ano na ito eh, I would say ‘yung feminist method of teaching.
I: Yey, thank you. Ask muna ako ng questions, pero kain muna kayo.
J: Attack!
I: May naisip ka na ba, na parang, methods of calling out ‘yung mismong these people
J: Honestly, ‘yung nakikita ko with the given circumstances, mahirap siya. Kasi, kung ica -call out mo,
madali lang naman magpalit ng account. Tsaka, isipin mo yung mga taong ‘to, alam naman nilang maca-
call out sila. So, they have plan b, plan c, plan d whatever, so they can still continue doing this. So, if you
are not able to correct this generation, correct the next generation. ‘Yun ‘yung nakikita ko.
I: So, kasi visual communication ‘diba, so ‘yung problem ko dito is how to address ‘yung roots kumbaga,
kung bakit nag-eexist yung ganitong groups.
J: The root cause dapat. Ang root cause ay dahil patriarkal ‘yung lipunan kaya ganito.
Interview # 2
Name of recording: Interview
Date: 4/6/2019
Interviewer: Isis Molintas
Interviewee: Cidee Despi
C: Okay, I am Cidee Despi, I’m a social sciences scholar and a graduate studies student, Philippine Studies,
Development Studies, and I finished Education Arts in Los Baños. I’m currently working in the
development sector, as a project manager for an NGO.
I: Sa field mo, papa’no mo siya mare-relate? What are the factors behind it? What causes it?
C: Okay, sa field ko. I’ll take it from a social sciences field or the humanities field na lang din. Should we
begin with the inception of the movement of pastor hokage or dun tayo sa response ng mga tao?
Kasi I feel like a lot of it has to do with the internet, has to do with social media, both on the response
side and on the inception side. When it comes to inception, we have social media, that's in its
democratized age, nakikita pa rin natin na kahit yung promised na internet na malaya, pantay-pantay,
hindi parin, kasi kaya paring ma-dominate ng kung ano lang din nangyayari sa real world na inequalities,
ecochambers na siya. In a space as free as the internet, it goes to show na oppression perpetrates
themselves across different channels, and the whole equality platform, the whole democratized
platform that the internet is, it’s not really true especially because it’s still constrained within what the
real world we live in. If the real world is sexist, then the internet easily becomes sexist.
That’s how I understand it on the incepti on side. It’s not a surprise, sadly, that things like this happen
on the internet. And then, you have the response side, where people are trying to take it down. If we
assume that the real world reflects the internet, then thoughtpiece na rin siguro natin na kapag ba na-
take down natin ‘yung internet is it going to end there? If the groups are gone in the internet, is it gonna
end there, if the world reflects the internet? That’s how I understand it from a social sciences
perspective.
C: I think it’s so interesting for us because, interesting talaga kasi sa akin ‘yung prutas no’ng social
movements that erupt that. It’s so fascinating for me that the movement have been led to the internet.
The feminist movement is on the internet. Sure, it’s of course very valid na andudun din naman ‘yung
groups na kailangan natin i -take down.
The key question there is “and then what happens?” If all of them deletes their group, and then what
happens? A lot of the prutas is so comfortable on the internet already, it’s a ha rd type nga. It shouldn’t
end there, pero ang nangyayari kasi sa atin, like nagiging hashtagging. I could relate this to the PUA
Academy thing nga na it died for a while, and then it’s back. We don’t know if it ever really died. For all
we know, they were just not on the internet that much, but they were still operating. Yun lang mas
interesting sakin na the whole internet activism thing that surrounds all of these issues especially with
the rise of the #MeToo movement, na it’s powerful, yes, but it could only represent so much, it can only
function within certain organizations.
C: It’s not limited. It’s not invalid at all. It’s very limited if it’s only on the internet, but it’s more of still
seeing these kinds of issues as a feminist issue. It’s not just an issue of men na nagiging manyak on their
own. It’s not just that, it’s an issue of a certain power dynamic that exists and we should see it that way
and there’s a question of how does feminism work and how does feminism aim to address these issues
or these dynamics. Structural ang pag atake.
Of course kailangan pa rin natin ng small victories, kailangan pa rin nating i -call out sila, kailangan pa
rin natin na tanggalin ‘yung mga facebook groups, but we shouldn’t be contented with that, as they’re
primary victims of a certain culture that’s like that.
Hindi porket na safe na tayo sa lugar natin ay tapos na. We should still attach this issue not just with
feminist issues, but all sorts of social movement. It’s a long shot, pero that’s why it’s a big is sue and this
is not easy to solve. That’s why we still have to attach this to broader political movements. At the end
of the day, we have to understand that this is a political issue. This is not just a bunch of men desiring
women, eh, it’s a bunch of men feeling like they have power over women. Why do they feel that way,
because we breed the culture that makes them feel that way.
C: Alright, the interesting thing about this is the discrimination we feel, it transcends it all. Street
harassment, that’s everybody’s. It’s interesting for me na parang in as much as I want to be class based
as possible, may mga takot tayong marape araw araw eh, at takot akong marape araw araw kahit
privileged ako. Paano natin ide-deal with yun?
I: Nakakagalit
C: Its interesting din na the allies, the men na, allies din naman sila pero at the end of the day totoo rin
naman yung sinasabi nila na they can call out all they want, pero minsan kasi naa -antagonize sila or
nae-exempt lang sila sa ganoong usapan, so lalo silang hindi totally in realidad sa gender nila.
Ang hirap nga, kasi I have a younger brother who’s still in junior high but he did tell me his peers are
already starting to be like that and they’re all like 15/16. Sobrang napabayaan na sila, ‘di na sila pinalaki
ng magulang na, teen pregnancy, so pinapalaki is bata and they dont really parent him as much anymore,
medyo napapabayaan na, mahirap naman din talaga.
An older woman stepped out of a car and he goes “wow chicks!” and then I looked at him like you’re
three years old, where did you learn that? Where do we begin? It's hard din kasi to balance, we have
to celebrate little wins, but also understanding that there's a broader movement out there. Others take
it too personalized, ‘yung individualistic lang na parang real life, I feel safe, I feel okay, but other people
naman, they disregard the individual discrimination that we experience on the daily for a broader
political cause which is also sad, because again hi ndi naman pwede na araw araw tayong nagtitiis na
vulnerable tayo.
C: Ah, from a Philippine perspective. I can't find anything that's inherently Filipino from it, but when I say
inherently Filipino, I'm coming from a, like, what do I know of Filipino cul ture? I know that Filipinos,
from a psychological perspective daw, sabi ng mga iskolar, is we're matriarchal. Meaning, we honor
the women, although economically speaking, we're still copying the apelyido ng asawa, lalaki, economic,
yaman ng lalaki, pero i n general, we respect women daw according to some scholars.
And, I know we have certain concepts like kapwa or utang ng loob, yun, that's very Filipino. I can’t really
see how this kind of sexism is inherently Filipino. I don’t want to think naman na “ah pinoy kasi eh kaya
bastos.” I don’t think so. I think if you were to view it more intersectionally, these men, they're asserting
power over us, Filipinos. I'm pretty sure it's going to be a lot scary if this is worldwide, but this doesn’t
mean that this is inherently Filipino. I feel like tayo lang ‘yung biktima nila kasi tayo ‘yung kaya nilang
exert-an ng power. I don't think it's a race issue. ‘Yung masking siguro, you know, bible study group,
yung Christian thing, pero it’s more of ano nalang yun, minor variables. The sexism is definitely
worldwide.
I: Sa South Korea though, hidden cameras ‘yung ginagamit nila eh, but then with Filipino men, parang
mas gusto nilang nakikita sa perspective ng kapwa din nila lalaki yung pago -objectify. Different from
the hidden cameras sa South Korea, it's hidden, everyone can see.
C: Gets. If anything here is very Filipino, it's the use of social media. Data would tell us na isa tayo sa
pinaka-avid users ng social media. That's not to say that we don't have hidden ca meras. That's not too
say that men exploit women in any other way. They just really really like the internet.
I: Ano ‘yung sa tingin mong dapat na steps taken against these people? Of course there has to b e
accountability, but then, if no accountability's given, what's next? If the person uses a fake account or
claims na na-hack lang siya, what's next?
C: I don't know. I believe na may power talaga in exposing these people. The most marginalized groups
don't, they cannot really all out protest or object to their oppression because they have everything to
lose. May ganun kasing concept, eh. I would say “hey let's get out there and and really really fight
them,” but who are we fighting exactly, we don't even know.
We're fighting people who are also citizens who are more or less one of us. We're not fighting an
establishment, we're fighting people. As an individual, okay naman ang ginagawa natin that we exposed
them and then call them out for what it is. It doesn't end there. We have to remind the men ar ound us
that it’s not okay. We have to make them realize that we're people and not just objects on the internet.
‘Yun ‘yung individualized form of protest natin eh, ‘yung pagiging maingay about the kind of oppression
that we experience, ‘yung may discourse on the discrimination, I think that's one.
If there's an opportunity to, I don't know if it's acceptable to bring it onto legislation, I'm not sure how
it's going to work, sexist din naman ang ating PNP, ang regulators natin, even our president. We don’t
wanna let the discourse die, so it’s always still important to organize women, groups to talk about these
things because the scary part is that people think this is normal, some people already think it’s normal,
that men have to do it. If our fellow women, fellow victims just doesn’t feel any urgency.
Apart from individually being loud about it, it’s also discussing and agitating people all the time,
agitating our fellow women, na parang “huy that’s not okay what’s up.” Also consentisizing our men na
if you know friends who act like this, you have to watch out sa peers mo, ganyan. Patuloy pa rin ang
panawagan natin sa talagang mas malawakang protesting. Hindi lang ‘yan and PUA Academy. Don’t let
the discourse die, I think is the most immediate call to action na kaya natin na palatable for us.
C: Ang hirap talaga kung legislation front eh, hindi talaga ako confident diyan. Even if it’s implemented,
yeah, sinong implementors niyan? Ni sexual abuse nga ‘di natin maprotektahan yung mga babae eh,
pa’no pa kaya ‘yung ganitong level na parang normalized? Paano pa nila itatrato yun? Tsaka ‘yung sheer
idea na sobrang power play na parang “uy binigyan niya ako ng suso, share ko nga ‘to sa mga tropa ko,”
ano yun, you’re just showing off that you have a girl’s tits ?
What the hell? I know some girls who I think were part of the google drive, and then they were super
traumatized whenever people talked about it on the internet. I dont know them personally, I just saw
a girl, she tweeted “sige pagpatuloy niyo lang pagti-tweet niyo tungkol sa google drive, akala niyo
naman kasi nakakatulong kayo lalo niyo lang pinapaalam sa mga tao na nage-exist ‘yun, so lalo nilang
hinahanap.” People talked about it kaya it became more viral. If I recall I think na may na -name, eh, na
isa sa mga owner, eh, pero hindi ko alam.
C: I’ve personally tried to file a cybersecurity case and it’s more of a stalker thing na parang I was getting
threats from a man. It was anonymous based, ‘yung chat, so parang off-data ka obviously. I went to the
police about it, do’n sa head ng cybersecurity division. You know what they told me, “oh we really can’t
help you with anything unless you already have a suspect.” I need a suspect, that's why I'm going to
you! They laughed at me, right? Sabi pa sa’kin noon, ang weird, kasi sabi sa akin kawawa naman daw
ako, alam pa naman daw niya saan ako naglalakad everyday. That's obviously a threat, right? In their
language, it doesn’t say a threat. It’s a threat, it's obviously a freaking threat na parang may gano’n pa
silang, last year lang, pag-deny sa existence ng mga ganito, kasi they don’t have the technology. I
honestly don't know how, on the level of accountability, dragging them, exposing them, the PUA
Academy, they're still open, they still do that?
I feel like one of the guys I’ve encountered in Future sa Cubao, is a PUA Academy guy, kasi ‘yun ‘yung
tricks nila ‘diba, na parang they’re trying to talk to every girl, the more, the merrier. They talked to me
na rin na sabi nila, kani na pa kita tinitingnan, eh, gusto ko kasing makipagkaibigan, so PUA Academy
‘diba? Then, this is what, last year, after all the issues around them. ‘Yung dynamic din, ngayon ko lang
na-realize na may nagpu-push saking umalis na. Sa Megamall to, ah, she was very persistent on
defending her, ayaw niya talaga, “busy ako kuya.” You know what, he stopped when she said I have a
boyfriend. It's like they only stop if they’re required to respect them. Mga PUA din, they only notice
their boundary when a man is named. Like you’re not gonna respect us until we have a boyfriend. PUA,
it’s so weird. Ayun nga, eh, as women nagiging angry feminist tayo.
C: Right? Tapos parang tayo pa ‘yung required na i -explain lahat. Then again, I remember I have a straight
guy friend who told me that back then, he really didn’t understand the whole angriness surrounding
feminism, like when a man’s staring at you in the streets, so what? Someone tried to get to him, like
really disrespect his boundaries, he was so scared. Parang when he experienced it, he understood.
Before, I used to walk to work, along EDSA, so sobrang daming catcallers noon, and then I couldn’t even
grasp the idea that it’s an everyday thing. It's so normal like I was asked before if I’ve ever been harassed,
I had to say not really just ‘yung normal lang na mga street harassment stuff. Parang I feel safe kasi
hindi ako narape. Ang baba ng standards natin for safety right? ‘Di na ako umuuwi nang ganitong oras,
may contact na ako sa friends ko, andami naming ginagawa. We know it’s hopeless, kaya sasabihin ng
mga people is “pag-iingat lang naman yan eh, alam niyo naman yung reality eh.” Like, tingin mo talaga
wala kaming ginagawa? I have to clutch my pepper spray when I walk around at night, and I have to tell
my friends where I am, have to hold my keys na paganun. Tingin mo wala kaming ginagawa, sure ka ba
diyan? Tayo lang lagi naga-adjust.
I: Ahh, it's bothering me na. Oh yeah, I have some guy friends naman na may parang superhero complex
so what do you think about that? I feel like they have to be certain selves, savior sa problems
C: Yeah it’s really wary of men who claim they’re feminist because it’s so easy to be a softboy. I know men
who are great people but I’m just generally wary when men claim to be, like, super loud feminists kasi
it’s so easy to use that retort to get into somebody’s pants right, to get somebody's trust?
Sa Usapang Lalaki, there was a guy who asked how they explain to a girl what femin ism is. I think may
point naman tayo no’ng group noon when we realized na as long as you’re not mansplaining, as long
as the guy is not coming from a point na parang you’re explaining our oppression to us.
‘Yung pinaka red flag na ‘yun eh, so parang ine-explain niya pa sa atin paano yung feminism, that’s the
most red flag you’ll see, a man who seems to know these things better than we do. In terms of the
superhero complex, they’re just using this to feel more power over you, that's not cool. We have to
understand also that chivalry is sexist right? At least, the idea behind it.
That's not cool, but I think it’s gonna be circumstantial pa rin. It can depend on how well you know the
person, how much you trust each other. Sabihin na nating friends kayo and may superhero complex
talaga siya, I think at the end of the day, men are men especially straight men. They cannot fully grasp
the extent of our experiences, so we just continue talking about these things and if they still don’t budge,
na parang “dude ano'ng nangyayari, tingin mo you’re, like, saving me or whatever.”
They have to do that, because they lord over us or something. This whole thing is really a process of
unlearning. Again, we’re fighting individuals or a group, but it's not an establishment exactly that we're
fighting. These people who perpetrate that culture, they are conditioned to act that way, to feel like
the only way to value their masculinity is by sharing somebody's nudes. Again, we're fighting a culture,
a lot of this is a process of unlearning. Ayun lang, like with our friends, with each other, we have to
always talk about these things so we don’t forget.
I: How do we nurture more positive forms of masculinity? Para kasing right now ang nakikita kong answer
ay it starts at a young age, paano yung generation natin?
C: Senior high school, so much work to do. I had some students who said “miss some guy here, ano, may
nanliligaw sa kanyang babae,” ‘yun lang ‘yung story, sobrang shaken na sila. Okay lang naman ‘yun. I'm
really sure it starts with the family, but its also school right? It’s really school din, eh, right? My brother’s
in high school, they used to divide our CLE class by gender, as in isang computer for men. Sure, we could
say na stop muna yung gender roles, but when it comes to family tapos teenager na ‘yung mga anak,
medyo mahirap ‘yun, eh, ano'ng gagawin natin, si nanay paghahanapin natin ng trabaho, after ten years
na walang trabaho ie-expect natin na siya yung magiging economically independent tapos si tatay, gets?
Kasi, it's not just about raising the child to be a feminist, but it’s also about letting parents unlearn the
gender roles. Its not even just about the kid, its about the parents na rin, right? I'm a little hopeless na
rin about this also, na makakakita tayo ng utopic world in this generation. Not in this lifetime, I think,
na magiging egalitarian lahat.
I: Proceed na tayo sa question na “can the internet have a role for more positive masculinity?”
C: It has. ‘Yung mga feminist movement nga, sure nasa internet siya, pero we also acknowledge na nasa
internet siya nagform outright. I had former students before who would really want to learn about
feminism and they go on the internet.
The problem that we have right now is the internet we have right now is very scattered or very very
limited. I had a student before who would tell me that she wanted to learn more about feminism, so
she looked it up and where do students learn, they go to youtube. All she got were white feminists and
she couldn’t identify that there are other types, so there’s that lack of information, but also scattered
information.
The internet is so noisy, it’s so easy to get it wrong, so don’t contribute to the noise. If you can help
optimize the visibility of this portion that matters, when you do that through your platform, I think
that’s enough. At the end of the day, algorithm ang internet ‘diba. The most talked about topics go on
top, we talk about these things, and then we use the dynamics of the internet to work for us and not
so much against us. Talk about it parin.
C: Banking the thought, “coming from a place of unlearning.” It’s more of engaging them, ‘di naman ‘yung
parang, napagusapan nga natin before na, “this is how you should treat girls.” If you don’t understand
why, it’s not personal to them.
We always have to come from a place of empathy, and then we start unwrapping them from there. Like
before, I like engaging the students in dialogues, Marcos Martial Law naman yung topic noon, so what
we did was like Mythbusters, we s tarted with what they know, we wrote it down, and then we talked
about what’s true tofacts.
We also did a session where i made them read a long reading i gave them like two weeks to read it.
They sat in a circle and i made them talk on it. They were graded according to the substance of the
reflection paper that they made. Its not even about knowing stuff from the reading but its also about
the facts. We also did a section where I made them read a long reading, I gave them like two weeks to
read it. They sat in a circle and then I made them talk about it. They were graded according to the
substance that they were able to contribute to the conversation. It’s not even about knowing stuff in
the real thing, it’s about being able to ask more questions, nanggagaling sa kanila. Hindi lang
memorization.
Of course pedagogical approaches on toxic masculinity is really tied sa whole “how you understand the
education system.” Right now it’s not something you memorize. Our oppression or the marginalization
we experience is not some textbook material. It’s the real world, so let them see it, I guess. Also, we
can understand that the whole ssexism that we have right now is cultural and it’s historical. Meaning,
hindi ganito dati, kaya kaya nating ibalik o baguhin. That’s been very important to me, at least.
Interview # 3
Name of recording: Voice 13
Date: 4/1/2019
Interviewer: Isis Molintas
Interviewee: Prof. Jane Vinculado and Anika________
J: So, I have this article, maybe we can go from there, then look at similar researches that has the same
keyword when you go to Jstor, you can probably look at online, what others have written.
I: What the research has been focused on is toxic masculinity, so hindi lang talaga ‘yung online. Pinag-
usapan din na one of the reasons why guys do this is dun sila nagkakaroon din ng social bonding. I was
able to hold a discussion with groups of guys, tapos one of them said na, in exact words, na they felt
there was a pressure for them to be kupal, if kupal din yung barkada, otherwise mae-excommunicate
sila.
J: Yeah. This is Anika. Binigay ko sa kanya, you remember ‘yung sa online ‘yung visual effect, we had this,
siya ‘yung parang, because hindi ko sila kilala, they kind of ano, ta’s siya daw sa toxic masculin ity ang
nabasa niya is about para silang it’s a sense of belonging, pero hindi ba kailangan heirarchical? Pag
pastor concept ‘di kaya para silang heirarchical, o para lang silang equal footing silang lahat? Walang
nagmo-moderate sa kanila na ito ang dapat nilang gawin?
A: Parang sense of community, nakakahanap sila ng mga tao na the same way paano magisip sa kanila
kaya nila ginagawa ‘yung ganoon. Nacu-cultivate ‘yung idea na okay lang ‘yun kasi ‘di naman ako mag-
isa na nagi-isip na ganoon tapos -.
J: Isis, lagay mo yung email mo, so I can forward you the article
A: So, para siyang herd concept. So ‘yun ‘yung tinatanong, saang take or point of view mo gustong i -take
yun. Kung toxic masculinity siya, I think it's a good direction
I: Viscomm po ako, so ang gusto po samin ay may output po kami. Ang habol ko po ay magkaroon ng basis
or inputs from different fields, para the person reading it, siya na ‘yung magform ng conclusions on his
own. Ang una kong gusto is macounter, pero that would be more problematic kasi walang blueprint on
how to exactly counter, to change this behavior of these people na mali talaga.
A: Pag media perspective siya, dapat kung sino man yung interviewhin niya ay titignan yung mediums,
platform Bakit ba sila in-afford no’ng platform na ‘yun na makapagcreate noong community at dahil
mediated siya, ano ba ‘yung ‘di na-provide noon na na-provide ngayon kaya ngayon mas stronger ‘yung
presence nila in the society.
A: Oo, yun, anonymity, yung ability to share photos, ‘yung click lang, ‘yung technological aspect of it na
pwede kang mag-click lang ‘yung picture sa phone mo tapos upload na agad. Hindi katulad dati na
walang internet, kailangan niyo na face to face pag ishe-share niyo ‘yung magazine, ‘yung mga bastos
na magazine kailangan may physical contact kayo.
I: Siguro ‘yung pinaka-important dito is wala talagang maho-hold accountable pag ganitong bagay.
A: It’s true.
J: Tsaka alam mo ‘yung The Mark at The Julius Ceasar, na ano, ‘yung pinatay si Julius Ceasar ‘diba lahat
sila marami sila, not one person can be said na siya ‘yung pumatay kasi lahat sila community na pinatay
‘yung person na ‘yun, so pwede rin kasi ‘yun sa argument na dito because community sila, nababawasan
‘yung sense nila ng responsibility nila dun sa situation.
J: Sa amin sa media, kasi mediated siya, ‘yung platform niya which is Facebook, bakit niya ia-allow ‘yung
community to thrive, ‘yung gano’ng klase ring perspective. ‘Yung socialization element niya is na -
convert niya into, social parin, pero ang na -strengthen, ‘yung thoughts nila toward negative na direction.
‘Yung platform, na-provide pa rin naman niya ‘yung supposedly objective ng platform, pero na -utilize
na siya towards a different direction.
A: Tsaka, mas madaling makahanap ng members, so sila parang nakikita nila na may sense of validation,
so ine-emulate nila ‘yung iniisip mo, edi magfo-follow ka na, tapos eventually mas mapapalalim na ‘yung
relationship mo with that group. Halimbawa sa bahay niyo, pinapagalitan ka ng nanay mo kasi bastos
ka o kaya ng girlfriend mo, pero doon, la hat kayo gano’n kayo magsalita o magisip kaya okay lang.
Mas nae-embolden ka na magisip that way kung nung umpisa rarely or light lang, iniisip mo lang “ah
pag malaki yung boobs maganda,” pero dahil nakikita mo paano din nakikita no’ng iba ‘yung babae
halimbawa, nae’embolden ka na ‘yung pagtingin itawid mo nalang toward a more physical na gagawin
tulad ng halimbawa ng hokage moves, so para pa siyang naging challenge sino bang pinakamagaling
gumawa ng moves na ‘yun. Tsaka syempre, sa labas it seems harmles s kasi ‘diba meron ding mga babae
na ‘yung gumagawa na bigla nalang hahalikan ‘yung someone or something pero okay lang kasi parang
lahat kayo parte kayo nung fun, pero internally nagbe-brew na siya ng something na mas sinister kesa
doon sa fun na facade niya. Ayon, hanggang out of control na siya na hindi nalang conceptual yung
pangha-harass tsaka yung pangmamaliit sa mga babae kundi nagiging actions.
J: Yung virtual ay nae-embolden ka to make it actual tapos, to report pa, so nagmi -mix ‘yung virtual sa
actual, nagiging cycle siya, tapos kung ano pa yung nagpalakas ng loob mo tsaka nagiging parang credits
siya na pagka-sinubmit mo na siya, tumataas din ‘yung parang social currency mo sa grupo. Dahil dun,
yung small fry doon na maliliit din sila na members do’n, para tumaas din ‘yung kanilang status within
the organization, siya din gagawin din niya ‘yung ginawa ng prior. Instead of kayo na calling out each
other, sinasabi na mali ‘yung ginagawa, lalo pang nase-strengthen ‘yung pagtingin mo na dahil pare
pareho kayo magisip, walang element of society na nagsasabing mali ‘yung ginagawa ninyo, lalong
magse-strengthen ‘yung bond, dynamics niyo sa isa’t-isa kasi similar minded kayo at ‘yung pangalawa
nagiging matapang towards the direction, kasi nava -validate ‘yung actions mo rather than napu-punish
‘yung action mo.
So, tama nga ‘yung sinasabi na sa bahay bawal yung kabastusan, sa school, dito, ano ka pa, status
symbol, nababago ‘yung societal dynamics, ‘yung norms na sinusundan ninyo as a group ‘diba. Pati ‘yun
iba ang rules, iba ‘yung laws, iba ‘yung currency. Currency mo dito, picture ng hubad na na -ano mo,
mga girlfriend mo ayun, mga sinilipan mo, o pinicturean mo na binastos mo. Doon pasok siya, pag
bastos ka, mas validated pa ‘yung presence mo. Ang mas mahirap ay ‘yung hindi mo na nadi -distinguish
‘yung real at ‘yung virtual dahil kung sa’yo ay sobrang gustong gusto mo ‘yung space mo do’n ka nalang
nage-exist at ayaw mo na ring i -acknowledge ‘yung existence ng world outside na magsasabing mali
‘yung ginagawa mo.
A: ‘Yung validation mo in the form of likes, shares, and comments ‘diba tulad ng “ah ang galing mo.”
A: Instead of “amen.”
I: Actually may kausap po ako na gano’n ‘yung MA niya ta’s she’s part of the groupchats, as in umiiyak
talaga siya, but it’s not ethical to call these people out, they’re part of her research, pero sobrang
stressed na siya.
A: So ikaw, halimbawa nagpo-post ka lang sa Facebook, sabihin mo isa ka lang na normal na tao,
pinakamaramimg likes mo na is 10 tapos pagdating sa grupo na ‘yun, ito lang naman ‘yung ginawa mo,
thousands, tapos meron pang shina -share pa tapos ‘yung mga comments pa. Naga -add ‘yun sa
machismo, alam mo ‘yung concept of machismo anyway ‘diba na parang pagbibilang lang ng ba bae.
I: Speaking po of machismo, do you think this is specifically a Filipino form of machismo or exists in other
countries, platforms?
J: Alam kong meron din siya sa ibang platform, I’m sure in some way na -exist siya. Kahit naman ‘yung mga
organizations like ‘yung child porn nao’organize nila ‘yung sarili nila sa Facebook. Machismo in the
Philippines, meron din siguro tayong sariling brand of machismo. If you look at it from that perspective,
kailangan tingnan mo rin siya na there is masculinity in a l ot of things.
Here in the Philippines perhaps, we have a variant of machismo that is this combination. For example
kasama ‘yung itsura, status, pera, gano’ng mga bagay do’n sa element of machismo. Halimbawa ‘yung
iba, sinasabi na hindi naman sila gano’n kagwapo and ‘di sila ‘yung tipong magugustuhan ng mga girl,
‘di sila ‘yung konsepto ng macho, mapapayat naman sila, ganyan tapos, so dito rin sila maghahanap ng
kanilang validation kasi tinotolerate if they don’t get it outside di gaya niyo.
Parang ‘yun, sa stereotype na nanonood ng porn na mapayat, ‘yung nerdy sila, so dito mababasag mo,
kasi physically they don’t naman show ‘diba, they don’t have to be eyeballed na ‘pag nakita sa labas,
‘di ka naman tatanungin kung totoong macho.
Ito virtual machismo where ‘yung currency nila ay iba na nakikita na rin sila as this kind of macho.
Definitely ang Filipino machismo is different culturally from the versions of masculinity sa other country
pero may core pa rin ‘yan na ano ba yung konsepto ng machismo sa ibang bansa na nakakalalaki. ‘Yung
“nakakalalaki ka ah,” ibig sabihin ay na-question ‘yung status niya bilang lalaki lang, ‘di necessary about
anything else. Definitely, I don’t think it’s an excuse, eh, pero each culture will have a version of
machismo na magiging applicable sa mga situation na katulad nito, so bakit kailangan anonymous kung
macho ka naman kung mindset mo ay nage-embody ka ng qualities of being macho ‘pag lumakad ka sa
daan bakit devalued ka, if you can carry your machismo, kasi ikaw ‘yung hind i papansinin kasi hindi nga
looker ‘di maganda ang katawan, ‘di rin marami ang pera. Marami kasing ina -associate na rules sa
pagiging macho.
A: Identity nga ng tao na sa reality niya, di niya nakikita na mava -validate siya pero online, mas makukuha
niya ‘yung pleasure ng validation ng mas maraming tao. Syempre meron ding iba na feeling nila para
siyang game na sila ‘yung pinakamagaling, in essence, pataasan sila ng level of pagiging hokage, eh,
‘diba dapat nga iisa lang ang hokage.
I: May ideas po ba kayo media-wise, how to promote more positive forms of masculinity, “ako lalaki ako,
pero hindi ibig sabihin mambabastos ako.”
A: Ako, naniniwala pa rin talaga ako na sa family nagsa -start ‘yung pagtuturo ng tamang masculinity, pero
alam natin na hindi rin lahat ng parents natin mayrong maayos na sense of gender sensitivity nila tsaka
dahil minsan masyadong repressed halimbawa yung mga bata hindi, halimbawa takot na takot matuto
ng kung ano ano sa TV o kaya sa internet kaya pinipigil, tapos after a while, dahil sa pagpipigil na ‘yun,
masyado silang nagse-seek ano ba ang meron diyan kaya mas hindi sila naprotektahan against it kasi
sinabik sila.
A: Pag sila-sila na, ‘pag lumabas ng bahay, ‘pag pumunta sa bahay ng kaklase, doon naa -access na nila
lahat ‘yun at ‘di nila kayang i -process dahil ‘di sila tinuruan ng mga magulang nila, pinigilan lang sila.
J: Palaging ‘di ina-acknowledge ‘yung presence ng mga bagay na ‘yun, so since unacknowledged siya, hindi
rin, ayaw nating pagusapan ‘yan, instead na iprocess ng isang batang nag-grow up and finding their own
masculinity, space and gender, finding their own identities, hindi lang napa -process.
J: Hindi nila napa-process kasi I remember merong bata sa bahay namin na binata na rin, pero no’ng first
year, mayroon siyang tinanong, sabi niya “is bading a bad word,” so as a young boy, parang ‘di niya
naiintindihan why people say a word na para siyang demeaning. Tapos in -explain ko sa kanya what it
means na “ah itong word na ‘to, avoid mong gagamitin ‘yang word na ‘yan kasi it’s a derogatory term,
especially when said a certain way.” Ganito siya ‘pag sinabing “ah bading,” in terms of a description,
okay lang, pero kung sinabing “uyy bading,” that means mayroon kang ini -imply na hindi maganda, kaya
siguro tinatanong mo bakit negative ‘yung word, pero ‘di mo naiintindihan sa sarili mo, so in a lot of
families in the Philippines na medyo ayaw nila i -confront na ‘yun ‘yung mga reali ties ng buhay natin, in
essence, instead na i -process nung bata yung concerns and confusions niya, napa -process nga siya
somewhere else in a different way.
A: On the other hand naman, mayroon ding mga families, lalo na siguro sa mga low income, na sobra
naman nilang exposed do’n sa acts, so nakakalat lang ‘yung porn magazines, tapos nanonood ‘yung
parents mismo ng porn sa vicinity ng mga bata, iba namang extreme ‘yun ng pagtuturo sa mga bata ng
konsepto ng masculinity. Kung ano'ng nakikita nila sa parents nila, gano’n din ‘yung pag-form sa isip
nila lalo na dahil di sila gina-guide na “oh ito papanoorin natin pero ganito siya.”
I: O ine-explain.
J: Volatile kasi talaga ‘yung, especially pag bata, ‘yung formative years, creation niya ng pagtingin sa sarili,
sa ibang tao, tapos minsan ay napaka -confusing ng mga signals na nakukuha niya everywhere.
Nagtanong siya, wala namang sumasagot sa kanya. Sometimes kahit na napaka -welcoming ng space na
ito for the questions, lalo kung nagsisimula ka palang i -find ‘yung self mo in relation to these things,
sexuality, parang “ah ganito ‘yung way kasi ang saya saya naman” tapos magkakabarkadahan pa sila,
‘diba ‘yun din ‘yung mangyayari instead na supposedly may self-policing dapat na nangyayari do’n sa
dynamics natin sa ganito kahit maging curious ka kasi, at a certain point, mandidiri ka do’n sa nangyayari
dapat ‘diba, eh, pero kung wala kang gano’ng klase ring awareness na these are the things na “ang saya
naman na ganito ang reaction nila sa akin, pag naglagay ako ng ganito sikat ako,” edi nabago rin ‘yung
supposedly dynamics mo sa pag-build ng sexuality.
Isa pa siyang negative na lalo do’n sa naghahanap pa ng sarili, so lalo naman na pwede nating i -embrace
our differences, yes as genders diba, tinatanggap din naman ‘yung kanya kanyang dynamics that
emanate from that, pero ‘yung matututunan mo isang side lang. Kung ganito ‘yung environment, lalong
magiging negative ‘yung pagtingin mo, in essence kino-confuse ka naman. ‘Yung media literacy ‘yung
gusto sana namin na isa sa mga bagay, kung minsan kasi ina -assume natin, nasa TV naman, sinabi lang
naman ng MTRCB ‘yun pero do’n ‘yung kailangan tabihan ‘yung bata na pagka gano’n ‘diba, tapos pag
nagtatanong parang naiinis na ‘yung magulang, “ano ka ba naman ang dami mong sina sabi.”
J: They don’t really allow their children, “‘di, matalinong mga bata ‘yan” so ‘yung peers, minsan kahit
gaano raw kaganda ‘yung pagpapalaki mo, minsan do’n sa peers dynamic, eh, nababago din, kasi hindi
mo rin alam ano yung pinaguusapan nila. Ito, peers ‘to eh, o virtual peers, noh, feeling mo kakapareho
kami magisip nito. Ayun at tsaka kasi ‘yung genuine processing nila ng kabastusan nila, eh, na parang
ayun nga, dahil sa mundo na hindi nga sila ina-allow ng mundo na i -process ‘yung parang “ay bastos
kang bata ka, ayaw kitang kausapin,” ‘diba dito nagagawa nila yun.
A: Sa media literacy, hindi lang dun sa mga lalaki na ‘yun na bastos, kundi lahat no’ng nando’n sa
community para rin nababantayan din, parang we counter c heck each other, halimbawa, ‘yung kaibigan
mo “o ano na naman ‘yang pinagtitingnan mong mga,” tapos you can.
Marami ngayon kasi na Youtube parent, panood lang sila ng Youtube para pwede silang gumawa ng
ibang mga bagay. ‘Yung mga bata, kahit di pa sila marunong magbasa, manonood lang sila ng mga video
tapos hindi nila nare-realize, ‘di nila alam yung dahilan kung bakit ginagawa nila ‘yun. Ito, ‘pag kin -lick
mo ito, ano'ng ibig sabihin noon. Alam lang nila na pupunta sila sa next video. Kung ‘di ka marunong
magbasa, meron ka talagang tendency na mapupunta ka do’n sa mas dangerous na content at hindi mo
alam din kung ano'ng magiging epekto no’n sa mga bata.
J: Kung may community insight, in essence, na nae-establish nitong rules na ito, nage-establish ng
dynamics na naga-allow na mag-proliferate at tsaka ma-ferment itong ganitong ugali, there has to be a
counter in the community as well, na nagtutulungan din naman kasi napa ka-taboo na topic ang sex.
Which is why din, ang machismo is mahirap iprocess, kasi that’s always just been about sex and there’s
a very complicated relationship between respect, gender, sex.
I: Consent.
J: ‘Diba ‘yung idea ng identity, relationships, diba? Andaming bagay, eh, na magkakadikit diyan, eh, pero
they really don’t process it that way, parang, in essence, we get to college, so parang, so it’s been, kanya
kanya na tayo. Buti if we get to the literary crowd, then we get to process it properly, pero kung hindi,
eh, ‘di in this case pero there’s always been a community outside of the virtual world where the person,
whether young or old, kasi everybody can change naman, na kailangan din nilang magka -space din na
magkakaroon sila ng more enlightenment. Minsan kasi nagkaka-enlightenment lang pagka naging
personal ang mga bagay, kunwari binabastos yung mga trans diyan, only to find out ‘yung palang
kapatid mo naging trans, so magiiba ngayon ‘yung pagtingin mo do’n sa dati mong dynamics do’n sa
mga tao na pinagmumura mo, ‘yung mga trans, mga tao ‘to, hindi, mahal ko siya wala namang problema
sa kanya bakit ganun. Minsan kapag ganito, napaka -detached nila doon sa mga problema.
J: Oo, lalong magiging tough for men, eh, di ne-detach nila mga sarili nila, “lakas namang makalalaki nito,”
on the other hand pwede pa nilang gawin ‘yun dahil dito sa ganitong communities, ang ginagawa nila
ay pag meron na silang nakita in the real world, tapos pwede nang imanifest yung machismo nil a.
I: Very interesting kasi gumawa kami ng group of young people na gagawa ng Usapang Lalaki monthly on
mga topics like how to call out, end sexual harassment, and basic crash course lang sa feminism. Nagi -
invite kami ng guys pero most of the time ‘yung guys na pumupunta sa discussion, these are guys na
medyo emancipated or in a relationship na, so di namin nai -invite talaga ‘yung mga guys who really
need it, there’s really a need to widen it.
J: Yes, ang mahirap pa, ang gusto nila they won’t go there they think they have no problem.
J: ‘Yun ngang meninist, ‘yung concept na ‘yung feeling nila sila ‘yung ina -attack, sila ‘yung kawawa. Ano
ba ‘tong mga feminist na ‘to, pinapahirapan lang ‘yung buhay natin. Ayun, maganda naman ‘yung moves
na ‘yun, and we think gano’n naman ‘yung dapat na mangyari. We combat it by providing other
communities, even online, kasi minsan they can be anonymous talaga, eh, noh? ‘Yung mga concerns
mo, ayaw mo namang iharap na may nakatingin sayong babae habang sinasabi mo ‘yun, pero ‘pag
nagusap kayo because of the online disinhibition, parang nawawalan ka ng ano bang gusto mong
malaman, sige sabihin mo.
It also takes them to accept na gusto rin naman nilang matuto, ‘pag umabot na s a point na normal
naman na wala nang problems, mas masaya pa nga ito eh, at itong mga babaeng nagco -call out minsan
nga mahirap talaga kahit babae ‘diba, so nabibigyan din itong mga lalaki ng excuses, eh, kailangan na
natin sila talagang ie-mancipate from that perception. That’s a beautiful topic, especially kung ang
manifestation ay maganda siguro may makakita at makarealize na members na ng grupo na iyon
magkaroon talaga sila ng some form of-
I: Usually same people from our same groups, a-add ko po kayo sa Facebook page if you want.
A: Sige.
I: Ay oo, actually may nagpuntang frat ba do’n, isa, tapos ang sinabi niya it's a series of events daw
throughout his life that made him think that way, so no’ng bata siya, everytime na may mangyayari sa
kanya na emotional na event, sasabihin niya sa brother niya, ang matic na sasabihin sa kanya ng brother
niya, suntukin mo, awayin mo, then high school, gano’n pa din pagdating ng college sama siyang frat,
everytime may mangyayari, like sasahihin lang sa kanya na may kasama kang, “uy nakita ko yung
girlfriend mo may kasamang upsilonian ops nabanatan ‘yan,” ‘yung automatic solution is violence na
kaagad kasi in violence pwede mong i -express ‘yung anger, ‘yung sadness, that’s wha t he explained
tapos everyone was like “ahhhh.”
J: Kumbaga, bakit ang manifestation is violence, not reconciliation or not understanding. Maganda ‘yung
life story mode na ‘yun, totoo naman talaga, it never really starts with one incident. Mayroong book, I
don’t know if it’s going to help, lumang book na ‘to, ang title niya ay Towards Feminist Consciousness.
Sinasabi ng mga feminists doon, ‘yung mga way popular feminists, na when did they find out na they
were feminist and they just told the story. It’s actually one of those good things na when did you find
out that you’re a misogynist or something like that. Ang ano lang talaga doon is to tell the story of when
you found out na hindi ako pwedeng nagpapaapi, kailan ko nalaman na ganyan, minsan ang arguments
nga na sinasabi niya is dahil inaapi siya kaya niya na -realize na ‘di siya pwedeng apihin do’n niya na -
realize na feminist siya. May isa na “because I have been raised by feminists,” it’s actually very very
varied stories. ‘Yung sinabi mong kwento na ‘yun, marami pa sigurado siyang iba iba pang threads na
na-build na ito.
J: Tama, they have to learn also from their own losses, kasi ‘yung machismo, it’s negative for women as
well as for men. Kasi men, they cannot also express themselves. May ine-expect din sa kanila that they
have to also follow a certain kind of way. And then, pagka naging ganito sila ay automatic ay inere-
relate na siya sa pagiging bakla which is another issue, again, na parang bakit, may problema ba tayo,
bakit bakla agad ang tingin at kung bakla, problema ba yun? ‘Yung range of things that has to be
discussed in terms of gender dynamics ‘diba. ‘Yun siya, it’s really, I know na maybe hindi na ‘yun kasama
sa realm pero if you’re working on it, look at it also, maybe it’s what we really need to hear from the
men, when is the point when you get into becoming part of the pastor culture.
A: ‘Yung sasabihin ko lang kasi, ‘yung platform, you have to see it in a way that this platform, pinanganak
niya ‘yung mga #Metoo Movement, ‘yung mga Women Empowerment Movement, and yet kaya niya
ring magpanganak ng mga ganitong Pastor Hokage, ‘yung mga PUA Academy, ibig sabihin, ‘yung
platform, it fosters any kind of ideology na pwede mong i -develop or i-cultivate doon, hindi siya
pumapabor kung mayroon man, ‘di ko alam how, pero ‘di niya pinapaboran ‘yung isa lang. If it can be
used for the positive, it can also be used for the negative, mas magaling gumawa ‘yung mga negative
na bagay kaysa sa mga mabubuting bagay kaya nagth-thrive sila na minsan ‘di na natin nakikita, kasi
the platform also allows for ‘yung ecochambers ‘diba ‘yung sila sila lang nando’n sila. They can do it in
private, kahit public space siya in reality.
A: Parang ‘yung sa media, ‘yung kinwento mo, ‘yung lahat ng kabastusan na sinasabi niya sa grup o niyo,
ginagawa niya rin, this is parang ranking official in the Philippines tapos ginagawa rin niya ‘yung
ginagawa namin, so nagiging validation siya.
J: Lalo sa mga batang building of an identity palang, tapos ‘yung inaano niya, medyo bastos siya, ta pos
‘yung family sinasabing negative pero ‘yung ano, hindi, and people are making excuses for the person
diyan siya magkakaroon din ng dissonance do’n sa messages na matatanggap din niya, sabi sa’yo sa
school dapat mabuting tao, ganyan ganyan andami mo ring mga counter messaging na natatanggap sa
outside.
Anything else we can help you with?
Interview # 4
Name of recording: REC2018121383611
Date: 12/13/2019
Interviewer: Isis Molintas
Interviewee: Adrienne Onday
A: Yeah.
I: Mayroon bang gusto mo i -change? Kasi mayroon din ako for sociologists.
A: Oo nga, for educators yata siya. Okay na ‘to. Actually, sobrang timely nga ‘yung questions about toxic
masculinity. Specially since, ‘yun nga, nagsusulat nga ,yung friends ko ng things sa blog namin.
I: Ano'ng blog ito?
A: Ah, ‘yung friendshipanarchywordpress.com, ‘yun. Parang ‘yun nga ‘yung sa toxic masculinity, sobrang
dami kong nade-develop na ideas because of it. kasi bina-bounce back ko do’n sa friends ko ‘yung ideas.
Specially, ang ganda nga kasi nabanggit ‘yung difference ng Western or East Asian sa Filipino toxic
masculinity.
I: Oo, lagi ko naririnig ‘yung “macho-pyudal” dito pero ano ‘yung difference niya sa –
I: Oo, bakit?
A: Alam mo ‘yung nangyari kay Richard? Ayon, nagka -issue si Richard Kahulugan, tumakbo si ya sa Saligan
a year ago as CSSP Chair yata or something. Ayon, tapos basta parang, may nag-out sa Twitter sa kanya
na hinarass siya ni Richard. Si Richard pa naman, good friends kami, as in nagra -rant ako sa kanya no’ng
time na nangyari yung Upsilon ta’s everytime na may sobrang sexist, na kunyari, siya ‘yung una kong
sinasabihan, ang masaklap pa, ang nag-send sa akin ng thread sa Twitter, si Sir Paeng. Tapos sabi niya,
kasi nasa Cebu kami nito, no’ng vacation namin ng boyfriend ko, sabi niya “Ady, sorry istorbohin kita
saglit ah, pero gago pala ‘tong si Richard, ayun ,yung sinabi ni sir tapos naka-link ‘yung Twitter tapos
ako, parang “holy shit” tapos naka-screenshot ‘yung mga sinabi ni Richard na he was really trying to
explain himself and apologize at the same time do’n sa victim niya, pero ‘diba, if you hurt someone kasi,
A: Parang walang explanation na hinihingi. Parang it actually makes you look worse if you're trying to dig
yourself out of it, when you're trying to apol ogize na parang those are two different conversations
altogether. Tapos parang naagit ako kasi nga akala ko parang “shet Richard pinagkatiwalaan kita,”
sobrang unsafe tsaka anlaking betrayal no’ng feeling.
A: Kinonfront ko siya, chinat ko siya about it, sabi ko “okay Richard, so nakita ko to, si Sir Paeng nagsend.
Ang gusto ko lang sabihin, bakit? Kasi ang laki nga ng kataksilan na nararamdaman ko after I learned
about it,” parang nag-try siyang mag-explain na parang basically ‘yung kung ano'ng explanation na
binigay niya do’n sa girl at sa iba’t iba pang girls na nasaktan niya, gano’n ‘yung binibigay niya.
A: Hindi ito, especially now na… I mean, kahit na mayroong kinalaman yung class ‘diba, parang mahiya ka
naman ng konti na ‘yan lang ang capability, extent ng analysis na kaya mong ibigay. Nando’n na talaga
siya sa pit ng alam mo ‘yung typical na intense talaga natdem na parang lahat nalang ng analysis
kailangan MLM yung leaning niya, tapos ‘di na makatanggap na ibang klaseng analysis.
A: ‘Diba, so parang ako naman, bilang syempre mas socio tapos doon pa ako sa feminist perspective talaga
na leaning, tapos nag-anarchist socio pa kami kay Sir Paeng na ine-explain nga ni Sir na parang ‘di naman
kasi, as the reds claim it, na class lang talaga, or kapitalismo lang talaga ‘yung naging ugat ng lahat ng
inequalities, kasi even before, mababa na ‘yung trato at tingin sa babae, na mayroon na other forms of
heirarchy already, tapos parang kinwento ko kay Sir Paeng gano’n ‘yung exp lanation ni Richard, tapos
sabi niya tangina parang agit na agit siya nung araw na ‘yun tapos gusto raw niya bigla mag-post about,
like, how limited, sobrang kitid no’ng pagiisip na mayroong heirarchy lagi na parang may iba’t ibang
form ng heirarchy pero may tinatrato ‘yung ibang tao na mas importante na dapat lutasin para malutas
‘yung iba. Hindi naman kasi sila branched from the same root, eh, it's kind of, autonomous silang forms
of heirarchy. Ta’s ayung nga, buwisit na buwisit si Sir Paeng noon. Talagan g first time kong makitang
magalit nang ganoon si Sir tapos malala pa, kasi Socio major pa, student niya pa.
A: Oo ‘diba, parang si Sir Paeng pa ‘yun, ha, siya pa ‘yung nagi -inculcate sa lahat ng tao, siya ‘yung nagbe-
befriend sa students niya. Kaya sobrang gulat ako na sa’kin siya nagra -rant na galit siya kay Richard, na
parang “holy shit anlala talaga ng effect.” Tapos, pati si Sir Herbie din daw naagit, eh, thesis advisee
niya si Richard. Sila yata ‘yung nag-push kay Jo no’ng misogyny talk na mandatory for majors, parang
sila yata ‘yung nag-email noon.
I: So, ano'ng nangyari kay Richard, may case ba siya or ano'ng meron?
A: Apparently, ‘yung victim ng harassment pinigilan siya ng STAND na magfile ng case.
I: Huh, why?
I: Ito ‘yung last year? Ito ‘yung lalaki ‘yung victim ba?
A: Ay hindi hindi, si Edmer ‘yun. Iba pa ‘yun, so medyo problema tic ang naging slate ng STAND noon.
Sinupress ng STAND, syempre ayaw nilang madumihan ‘yung reputation ng mems nila, tapos ang
sinasabi kasi ni Richard, nage-explain siya na may minete out na na punishment para sa kanya. Na sabi
niya, na-acknowledge ko talaga na kulang ‘yung punishment na ‘yun, pero ‘yun talaga ‘yung kaso and
everything, so akala ko sa OASH nangyari tapos nalaman ko kay Sir Paeng na ni -repress pala ‘yung kaso,
‘di pinag-file ng complaint ‘yung victim sa OASH kasi pinigilan siya ng STAND. Ang nag-mete out ng
punishment, Saligan, tsaka STAND.
So, parang frat lang na may internal justice thing silang nagaganap. Tapos malaman laman mo na todo
speak out sila sa sobrang dugas daw, sobrang sama raw ng ugali ng mga frat kasi parang ‘di nila hino-
hold accountable ‘yung members nila, pero samantalang sila rin gano’n din pala ‘yung ginagawa nila.
A: Ayun parang nagkaroon ng punishment na sobrang minor lang yata tapos hindi dinisclose ng Saligan sa
slate nila na may issue si Edmer before, pero dapat alam ng mga tao ‘yun, kasi maaapektuhan yung rep
ng buong party sa ginawa ng isang mem. Tas ayun naging circus siya online. Nakausap ko ‘yung victim
kasi friend siya ng friend ko, sabi nga, na ang sabi no’ng friend niya sa akin, parang sinasabi ngayon ng
STAND na “tina-try naman po namin na makipagusap sa victim kaya lang ayaw niya,” na as if kasalanan
pa no’ng victim na ayaw niyang makipagusap tapos parang sabi no’ng friend na nagkaroon ng time na
‘di raw tina-try before ng STAND na mag-make up for it kahit na until lumabas siya in public.
Sa socio din, ‘yung nag-trash talk kay Ash na taga Upsilon, socio din. Parang sabi ko kay Sir Paeng na
dapat gawing fundamental, first year palang, tinuturo na sa socio ‘yung feminist shit talaga, para
maiwasan ‘yung mga gano’n. Sorry, nasidetrack na.
I: So, alam mo na ‘yung pastor hokage bible study groups, nakita mo na ‘yung “lapagan,” ‘yung terms
nila?
A: Oo, not all of the terms, pero I've seen some of them, I think.
A: Yeah, ‘di lang gano’n ka highkey kasi nagka -crackdown on them before.
I: Ayun, what sociological factors do you think contributed to the rise of these groups in Filipino men and
teens?
A: Unang una talaga ‘yung sa cultural talaga siya eh noh. ‘Yung mga nakikita mo sa immediate family,
friends, sa kalsada, you tend to emulate it at walang malakas na solid na narrative or explanation or
values sa Filipinos at present na kayang laba nan ‘yung ganung klase ng kabastusan, kasi ayun nga, uso
parin dito ‘yung excuse na “eh lalaki kasi.” Mayroon din kasi kaming naging kaibigan na taga gender
studies siya tapos nagfa-facilitate siya ng usapan sa feminism at kahit may respeto sa babae na na ka-
instill sa lalaki, ang explanation do’n ay may respeto ako, kasi may nanay ako, may ate ako. Hindi ‘yung
nirerespeto ko siya, dahil babae siya. Unang una talaga ‘yung naririnig ng lalaki sa immediate
environment nila, mae-emulate nila kung ‘di talaga naka-instill ‘yung value of respect, as we have now,
na ‘di naman talaga lahat.
I: ‘Yung messages kasi na ini -instill ngayon ay based on fear, eh, and Catholic/Christian values.
A: Especially, andami pang Catholic schools na enshrined ang Catholic values . Not just sa education, pati
do’n sa environment na parang the fact that we have gender -segregated schools. It doesn’t mean na
necessarily masama siya.
‘Pag kasi may dineprive ng experience with another kind of person, they'll treat that person as an other,
kasi hindi nila alam kung ano'ng klase ng tao siya, paano ba ‘yung pakikitungo? Ako kasi, galing sa all
girls school, tapos sobrang hindi ko talaga ma -gets, every time na mayroong bibisita na boys sa school.
Kahit ano'ng age before 40, lahat niyan tatakbo sa bintana, sisilip tapos ako “ngayon lang ba kayo
nakakita ng lalaki sa labas ng bahay, wala ba kayong tatay wala ba kayong kuya, mga kaibigang lalaki?
Don't you have any other interactions in life with guys?” ‘yung parang hayok kumbaga na makipag-
interact, tends to build up to a point na di na siya nata -trato bilang tao, nagiging napu-put on a pedestal
siya. Doesn’t always mean you treat them with high respect, minsan nao-objectify, kasi hindi na tao
‘yung pananaw mo sa kanya.
Sa culture, sa education, kahit sa poli tics and media. Sa both drafts ng federalism, walang section on
gender and women. Nalaman ko lang no’ng nag-attend ako ng forum ng UN women. Sila pa ‘yung
nangailangan mag-hire ng Filipino researcher to study the federalism draft with r elation to gender and
women ta’s do’n niya nalaman na walang anything for equal wage, protection against state violence,
representation, protection against verbal, and all forms of harassment, so parang in all those individual
aspects, kung mahina ‘yung pagpapahalaga mo sa babae, knowing our government, kung mahina ang
implementation niya nang may batas, lalong mas mahina ‘pag walang batas. How do you expect respect
of women and other genders to be enshrined in society when you don’t have actualities na tin a-try
talagang i-reinforce siya.
I guess in all aspects of Filipino society, talagang nakakapag-contribute siya sa disrespect which is
unfortunate, kasi if you’ve studied naman Filipino history, mataas naman ‘yun role, stature, ng babae
no’ng una. They’re given relatively high positions in society and ‘yung mga babaylan natin babae, and
they have a specific kind of power that men don’t have.
Sa precolonial Filipinos merong divorce, pati yung pagdadalaga ay sine-celebrate. Parang ang laki niyang
contrast ng lived reality of the past sa lived reality of the present. Siguro possible nga, na mayroong
colonial factors din, na pwedeng social, educational, political, cultural, historical, lahat ng branches
talaga, wala. It just so happens na dahil nga nage-exist siya in the past, parang in the recent times na
ganito ‘yung pagtrato sa babae, nagiging snake eating its own tail kasi ganito ‘yung napapasa mong
values sa mga batang generation. It’s nice na mas napaguusapan at nabi -bring to attention siya
especially with the help of social media and the ability of people to disclose their experiences online.
I: ‘Yun nga- naalala kita no’ng talk, ‘yung question mo ‘yung what do we do?
A: Hindi siya pwedeng discussion na nakukulong lang online, it’s not a discussion that only women should
be having. Women know what they experience na eh. It’s really more important to bring it to a more
public and social sphere kasi kung online lang nga siya paguusapaan, mananatiling online lang din ‘yung
efforts kahit ano pang ordinansa ang ipatupad, kung ‘di naman nagiging mas abot kamay, pang araw
araw ‘yung changes, ‘di siya magiging solid na fundamental change.
‘Yung mga bata, they follow by example sa nakikita nila. Dahil sa baba ng tingin ng mga tao sa kabataan
sa lipunan, ang hirap mag-incorporate ng gusto nating change kung ii -impose natin ‘yung initiative sa
elders. May tendency talaga na sarado na ‘yung isip nila. It’s really up to us to take that step forward.
Tayo na ‘yung nakakaalam’ eh, tayo na ‘yung natuto. Kung di mo siya kayang i-advocate sa bahay palang,
how are you going to level it up on the playing field na political, judicial changes. ‘Diba, hirap na hirap
na nga tayo sa mga logical at madaling ipasang batas sa lipunan, ‘yung wala pa rin tayong maayos na
pag-enforce ng batas on the respect of indigenous lands ganon. Kung nasa micro ka lang na scale, ‘di
natin siya magawa, paano natin siya ia-advocate sa much more macro change? For me talaga, kahit
hindi necessarily sa bahay or sa family, just when you interact with friends, how you call them out, well
not ‘yung callout na Twitter callout, but like pansinin mo ‘yung sinasabi nila na ‘pag may sinabi silang
mali diba?
A: Oo, tsaka totally iba ‘yung callout ng Twitter sa callout na dapat gamitin kasi parang ‘yung aawayin mo
lang siya for the sake na aawayin mo lang siya instead na ‘yung callout na parang sinasabi ko ay tatapikin
mo siya at sasabihing “tol, hindi maganda yung sinasabi mo,” you have to arrest the thought, with action
happening.
Kasi, stopping it physically kumbaga is also stopping the train of thought altogether. And when you talk
to them about why we shouldn’t be saying these things, why we shouldn’t be talking about these things,
you’ll really discuss it in a way na ‘di ka nagiging condescending sa kausap mo, kasi ‘yung mga napansin
ko sa guy friends ko nga, ‘pag may nasabing gano’n ‘yung guy friends nila, they wait for it to be a more
private environment before nilang awatin kasi ayaw nila ng confrontation, maging killjoy. Everyone
naman doesn’t want to be a killjoy, but that’s what happens kasi when men take kunwari uhm ‘yung
mga rape jokes. Pagka jokes siya, at ‘di ka natawa, killjoy ka.
They tend to address after na, pero for me, especia lly kailangan kasi, habang nangyayari palang,
pinipigilan na. Sa akin kasi, important na di binibigay ‘yung responsibility na maging kalmado all the
time sa mga babae, kasi well -deserved na magalit ‘yung mga babae when they hear this, kasi antagal
tagal nang nire-repress ang mga babae sexually, and with their emotions, na ‘di ka pwedeng magalit
kasi bitch ka, pagka ‘yung bossy ka, masama ‘yung tingin sayo.
If you know what you want ‘diba or if you know what you don’t want, parang sala sa init, sala sa lamig.
You can't win if you’re a woman in society talaga, so for me, however, a woman reacts to that situation
will be judged but its time to alleviate those reactions, kasi 'yung babae na 'yung naagrabyado, tapos
siya pa yung sasabihan mong kumalma eh di tangina mo wag mokong pakalmahin, i deserve to be angry.
Even in our friend groups lang sana, especially sa mga lalaki, kasi mga lalaki talaga sabihin natin, sila
talaga 'yung mga mas nakaka-experience ng conversations na tina-try nating pigilan, as femini sts or as
progressive people. Kasi, 'yung kultura naman ng locker room talk, at ng “boys will be boys,” na para sa
mga lalaki lang, ay nakukulong siya sa kultura at unfortunately hindi lahat ng babae ay “g” sa gano'ng
klase ng conversations. Men have to step up and take that responsibility as well. Mahirap na sigurong
pagsabihan ang tatay o lolo. Sa circles na kaya mong impluwensyahan, basically, if you can influence it
to change for the better, then you might as well use your circle of influence. Para saan pa na alam mo
'yung tama, pero wala ka namang ginagawa.
I: Okay. Do you think there is a specifically Filipino form of toxic masculinity as opposed to more wes tern,
or perhaps Asian cultures.
A: That's a really good question kasi actually 'yan din 'yung one of the things I was planning on discussing
sa magiging next ko na blog post, the Upsilon thing. Magpo-post kami ulit mamayang gabi.
Nabanggit ko nga sa friends ko kasi na, kasi wala silang frat sa Ateneo eh. They don't know that kind of
culture. Maybe they know it, but it wears a different mask kumbaga, sabi niya para pala silang extremist
groups 'yung mga fraternities kasi parang walang tolerance for anything that's different from them.
'Yung being punished within your ingroups, it’s a very extr emist kind of dynamic.
Nakwento ko rin siya do'n sa isa pa naming friend, na 'yung toxic masculinity in the Philippines, very
western yung model niya and at the same time different because we're colonial. May nabasa akong
article on why to abolish frats altogether after a hazing case in the US. Napansin ko na similar sila in
form kahit na iba rin talaga 'yung klase ng fraternities doon and here. Fraternities kasi doon ay parang
'yung bro culture, drinking, partying, mas liberal in the sense of frat parties, gano'n 'yung image talaga.
Pero 'yung dito, mas political at 'yung capital nga talaga, influence siya na it's very apparent, people
know that it's there, and people are so scared of calling it out. The difference also is the difference of
fraternities and brotherhoods altogether, parang sa katipuneros gano'n, kasi if you look at it, 'yung
westerners, the way that they bond is caused primarily of their privilege and their wealth, gender, skin
color. Kaya ang weird, parang 'yung bad na frat culture ay predominantly white in the US. Dito, as
people of color, iba 'yung dynamic no'n cause we're colonized, na parang meron kang aspeto na pinasa
sa'yo ng mga colonizers mo, 'yung intensely macho, 'yung pagiging privileged ng mga tao na kasali sa
frat, but you also put in the factor na mayroong history in a struggle, na iba tayo sa toxic masculinity ng
ibang maputi or even East Asians.
There was a very apparent struggle that we had to go through. So, 'yung brotherhood nagiging
justifiable siya, kasi kinailangan natin 'yung isa't isa, para makalaban tayo, para makibaka.
Sabi ko sa friend ko, na 'yung brotherhood na 'yun sa atin, colonial men are linked by their struggle in
their daily lives, eh, historically and now, na parang 'yung brotherhood ay organic dahil
pangangailangan siyang umasa sa isa't isa. 'Yung whole no man is an island sort of thing, it's very
inherent in the existence of struggle, and fraternities, on the other hand, don't have that, kasi sobrang
inorganic ng relationships nila, they're not bonded for anything, but the fact na mayaman sila, privileged
sila. You combine those two in Filipinos, which makes it more complicated, kaya siguro ang weird din
ng intensity ng hazing dito, kasi 'yung idea siguro na pahirapan ka muna bago mo ma -prove na loyal ka,
must be what's taking the face of an organic struggle in real life.
Although, very abstract pa siya for me, it's a theory that I'm developing palang. It's what I see, kasi iba
talaga 'yung konteksto ng mga puti sa atin sa Pilipinas. I don't disavow the fact that men in colonial
countries are still violent on their hetero ability, but I'm saying that brotherhoods are different because
of the struggle they went through.
Kahit na progressive kasi kayo, 'diba, may other things na nagaganap, mayroong deli neations ng kami
at ng kayo. Mayroon at mayroong papalit, at 'di rin masamang magkaroon ng differences, but we
enforce those differences with boundaries kasi, na parang hindi tayo magkakaintindihan ever kasi
magkaiba tayo, 'yun 'yung mali.
We have to learn how to accept the diversity without letting it divide us. Hindi naman ibig sabihin ng
diversity na magkakaaway agad, eh, diba? Ang western context ng fraternities ay wala silang concept
at all ng struggle sa fraternities, kasi they're in positions of pr ivilege since the dawn of time. Lalaki sila,
wala silang struggle with gender, wala silang struggle with race, tapos mayaman pa sila, wala silang
struggle with economy. Different talaga 'yung idea ng fraternities doon at dito in the sense na 'yung
colonized factor ay wala doon. Dahil Filipinos tayo, iba 'yung level ng privilege na mayroon sila doon sa
mayroon tayo dito. Nakikita natin 'yung sa lonsi leaks, na sobrang racist nila kay Bright, na parang tina -
try nilang i-emulate 'yung behaviors ng fraternities of the west, but it's so different, because of the
context that we fight within.
'Di ko naman made-deny na may padrino system sa west, at dito, 'yung padrino system is the only way
to survive kumbaga, if you want to succeed, parang gano'n 'yung idea dito, kaya mas intense at mas
masaklap 'yung idea ng toxic masculinity and fraternities for us, kasi you'd think that these people have
a common struggle, who'd use that to bond and relate in a good organic relationship with others, but
they still highlight their difference from others, so they can say na ay 'di ako ganyan, 'di ako poor, 'di
ako “classic woke ass non-upsilonian” na type. There is a big difference primarily because of context
and colonialism.
I: Focus tayo sa nurturing more positive forms of masculinity, so how would you suggest, aside from
calling out mismo as guys, may other methods or ways ka bang naiisip?
A: Hindi lang sa masculinity, pero pati na rin sa idea of heteropatriarchy in general, na i -normalize 'yung
pagdamdam at pag-express ng emotions na it's so bad, kasi kahit sa babae, nakikita siya na nakakahiya
'pag nakita na umiyak ka bilang babae, there's still this stigma.
A: Specially, ang lakas ng stigma with men, 'di sila pwedeng magpa kita ng emotions sa other guys. Parang
weak ka, 'di ka tunay na lalaki, bakla ka, sasabihin nila ganun. Super fucking stupid, kasi you're just
expressing emotions and everybody has that 'diba. Refreshing for me to be in my political community
now, kasi everyone is free with expressing their emotions, specially 'yung boyfriend ko. I've seen him
openly and publicly feel kilig, kasi one of our friends just recently got together, tapos parang siya oh my
gosh, gumagano'n siya, sobrang adorbs kasi, tapos I've seen him cry like a number of times din when
he talks about things he's troubled with.
Emphasizing emotions other than anger, siguro, kasi mas normal 'yung pagexpress ng anger, eh, it's a
consequence nga rin kasi nire-repress mo 'yung ibang emotions mo, so pagka nagalit ka, 'yun 'yung
pumuputok, 'yun 'yung sumasabog, kasi hindi mo kayang pigilan for long 'yung galit, eh, kaya to be able
to normalize or to create an environment that makes, not only men, but also women, and all other
genders feel safe when expressing themselves, na 'di sila sasabihan 'pag nag-express sila ng emotions
nila na “'wag kang ganyan kasi nasa public ka,” o kaya sasabihin na “sa bahay ka nalang maglabas ng
emotions mo,” na parang palagi nalang siyang dapat ginagawang private, 'diba, na emotions are signals
and if you're feeling a certain way, it's important to express that, kasi aside from the fact na nire-repress
mo siya, other people won’t be able to accomodate the change, kumbaga.
For men talaga, I feel like mas kawawa sila emotionally, compared to women, in the sense na buong
buhay nila, hindi sila pinapayagan mag-express to other people. It's important to create that safe space
rin to make them feel na 'di sila huhusgahan, pagtatawanan, mamasamain, when they express
emotions, cause it's normal. To normalize emotional reactions is important in creating a more positive
environment for both men and women. Aside from that, 'yung kultura ng pag-gender sa minor things
based on gender roles na ipinapasa sa objects, mas maganda ngayon kasi mas malaya na 'yung mga tao
na makapagsuot ng mga gusto nilang suotin. Especially sa isang guy from La Salle or Ateneo na
nagpapalda siya, ang gangbaiting.
As a woman, ang lala sa feeling na pagtitinginan ka pag may ginawa or sinuot kang different or
nonconforming. When you start to own it or say that I don't care, it becomes better, kasi you can just
do what you want. Create an environment that allows diversity and self expression. I've heard some
progressive people talk like doing what you want is something that has to be highly politicised or
ideologized diba. Just making individuals feel like they won't be judged for their choices lang, for as long
as those choices aren't parang being a fucking nazi or being someone supportive of war. As long as they
are decisions that will make you feel free and will not harm others is okay. 'Yun 'yung proof na no man
is an island talaga, na you're so conscious what other people will say, do, if you do this or that, it's proof
na even without socialization, honestly, sobrang halaga na maramdaman mong tinatanggap ka nang
hindi ka nila itutulak palayo dahil lang iba ka sa kanila.
Be more consensual of your actions and words, or comments na “oh that's gay,” diba. Homophobic
language talaga in the context of it being used negatively 'diba, but if you're really committed to making
the world better, you start with yourself, with how you interact with other people. Sabi nga sa figurative
politics, we build the kind of future that we want now. Wala kang pagmumulan kung sa future at sa
future mo siya aabangan. Kung alam mo na, na ikaw 'yung may kayang gawin, kasalanan na, na hindi ka
gumalaw. Not acting on it is just as bad as being on the other side. Kaya important for me to walk the
talk. I'm still suffering from internalized misogyny, it's hard to unlearn it 'pag batang bata ka palang 'yun
na 'yung nakikita mo sa media. If you're aware, kahit sabihin mo na “wait lang hindi ko dapat iniisip 'to,
kasi 'di siya maganda, kasi I have to respect that individual.” You have to arrest nga the thought even
with yourself. That's how to condition yourself to not react to things that aren't negative at all.
Kailangan tayo, as individuals, 'yung magsimula, kasi kung hindi natin gagawin, and we're going to
expect the change to come from other people lagi, or be imposed upon us, maghihintay at maghihintay
ka lang, hindi siya mangayayari. It's not going to be the kind of change you really want. Hindi mo vinoice
out 'yung gusto mong mangyari.
I: Sige, so ako naman 'yung magke-kwento. Tapos na 'yung delibs ko, pero hinahanapan na ako ng output,
at 'yung sinabi nilang comments is like since 'yung focus ko ay 'yung pastor hokage bible study groups
talaga, ang sabi ko na output ko was like a visual campaign targeted at young boys that make them
challenge 'yung views nila, pero ayun nga di ko alam where to start, di ko rin alam what to say. May
nag-suggest na pwedeng four part documentary from different perspectives kasama na rin sila. Tapos,
may nag-suggest din na gumawa ako ng Facebook group na “ang tunay na pastor hokage,” tapos puro
positive stuff, pero hindi ko alam ano'ng sasabihin, so if ever may ideas ka lang din lalo na sa targeting
these young boys din.
A: Yeah, actually may sina-start kami ng political community ko, especially kaming mga babae na mayroon
kaming Usapang Lalaki na efforts, and we're planning to make it a permanent agenda. Naghahanap
kami ng ibang tao na willing mag-effort or tumulong doon para gawin siyang permanent and regular
conversation. Ang idea kasi namin sa Usapang Lalaki, at kaya siya tinawag na Usapang Lalaki, ay
originally cause we wanted men to attend them and it's going to be a safe space for them to talk about
things that they've done or seen other people do that they don't feel comfortable with, or that they
want to change. Safe space siya, it's not gonna be a place of judgement, it's just a place for them to be
able to ask ano 'yung pwede kong gawin, ano 'yung pwede kong maisip.
For young boys, feeling ko mas visual and interactive talaga 'yung approach kasi 'di pa sila nasa edad na
kaya lang makinig nang makinig sa nagsasalita. Siguro in the form of storybooks, 'yung mga gawa na
parang interactive museums, basically activities na parang ganun.
I: May nakita ako na parang ang ginawa, actually more western si ya, magdo-drawing ka ng box, tapos
ilalagay mo sa box 'yung all the things that you think are masculine tapos isusulat mo sa labas 'yung all
the things that you think are not masculine tapos isa isa dinissect nila as a group.
A: Actually maganda rin 'yun, it's a really formidable idea na rin na gawin siyang interactive conversation
that people can have. Especially for young boys, something visual and fun to do, kasi hyper sila,
madaling malingat 'yung attention nila. Hirap niya talagang turuan kasi 'di si ya makikinig sa'yo ganun.
A: Oo, mahirap lalo, kasi as a feminist, may pinsan akong 11 years old na tinuturuan ko. Mayroon kami
'yung parang pinsan from California na bumisita tapos actually progressive sila na family, na tinuturuan
sila ng bodily autonomy, na you can say no if you want to say no. I was trying to teach her other things,
tapos sabi nung pinsan kong lalaki na parang mayroon siyang derisive na tono, tapos sabi niya, “eh,
pa'no ba 'yan, si Ate Ayen, ginagawa na niyang parang siya si Tala.” Parang sinabi niya “ano ba 'yan,
magiging sjw na 'yang bata na 'yan dahil sayo.”
Sobrang agit ako at parang ang bastos no'ng bata, kasi ginagano'n niya, lalaki talaga. It can feel like a
failure when there's someone in your immediate circle na hindi mo natatalk some sense into. I feel like
it's something that will really hit them, their emotions, and their daily experience. Siguro isang example
'yung mga ginawa nila na hinusgahan sila ng other friends nila for doing, sinabihan silang bakla or hindi
'yan panglalaki, na parang like maybe, people who like watching rom coms or mga batang gusto ng
manika, pero sabi ng magulang nila hindi siya pwede.
Kailangan tamaan mo sila sa personal experiences nila kasi through personal experience sila matututo,
kasi alam nila 'yung mararamdaman. Kahit ano'ng i -enforce nating idea kasi na nasa education lang 'yan
diba, parang kahit gaano natin i-assume na logical at rational ang mga tao, feelings and emotions are
still the most easily impacted aspects of humanity.
I feel like 'yun 'yung mas totoo kasi masyado din nating ine-enshrine 'yung logic and rationality and
science in a way na 'pag 'di ka logical, 'pag 'di ka rational, 'pag inuuna mo 'yung feelings mo, hi ndi ka
matalinong tao, bobo ka, kasi mas pinapaigting mo 'yung damdamin kaysa ulo. It's important to
understand also, that feelings and emotions are just another way of thinking, making sense of the world,
because theyre extensions of your senses. To educa te young boys, and people in general would mean
also to affect 'yung emotions nila, kasi people will always do things that will make them feel better,
kaysa will make them feel worse, 'diba? For me, big thing na mag-focus sa emotional, masyado na siyang
naback burner for too long. That's why sobrang stunted siguro ng lipunan natin ngayon. Laging sinasabi
na hindi pwedeng maging emotional kahit na sobrang emotional talaga nating mga tao. Para sigurong
sa play theater, I think a play theater would be a good thing for young children to take part in kasi it's
fun.
A: Depende siguro sa approach. Well, sa social media, I feel like what works best is 'yung shock factor.
Unfortunately, kaya ako nabubuwang na rin sa internet, ginagawa ko na thinkspace ko 'yung facebook
ko, kasi parang wala namang pake 'yung mga tao kung ano'ng i -post ko kung 'di siya shocking o
nakakatawa, eh, diba? It's either shocking or humorous dapat.
A: Naaalala ko 'yung ginawa no'ng Martial Law Anniversary three years ago, 'yung mga young adults na
nakaupo na nagkkwento about martial law, na nagsasabi na, “oo actually malakas 'yung ekonomiya
noon, tapos 'yung kausap pala nila was a martial law victim.” Kung ganun na mas video 'yung approach,
pero maikli, baka mas maging investing kumbaga.
I: 'Di ko alam, pero for some reason, umano sa isip ko 'yung “there's really no tongue twister” 'yung
filipino bakit why brainwashed?
A: Actually 'yun din 'yung una namin idea no'ng ginawa namin 'yung Usapang Lalaki.
I: San ko makikita 'yung Usapang Lalaki?
A: Wala pa kaming Facebook page, kasi sine-settle palang namin 'yung logistics. Maguusap palang kami
actually, paguwi ng friend ko from Thailand.
A: Oo, go! Game na, kahit sino pwedeng sumama doon, basta willing lang magcommit. Sabi ko nga kay Sir
Paeng, gusto ko ngang gawing permanent at regular kahit monthly 'yung conversations and it's in an
open and public space, na people can feel safe, and they can leave anytime they want. If it's a
conversation they want to have, they can be there. I'll contact you when we settle the details. 'Yung
initial naming idea for talks kasi is group of guys talaga na pupunta .
I: Madami akong friends na guys na marami rin talaga silang questions minsan.
A: Maganda sigurong magkaroon nga tayo ng gano'ng meeting for guys. Ang una kong naisip parang safe
space na akala nila okay lang, kahit na hindi talaga. It's not the kind of thing kasi that will make them
feel antagonistic or victimized, so sige naisip ko we'll make it an open space where they can ask
questions. Actually marami nang sa UP na gustong sumama. Yung first run namin hindi accesible 'yung
venue kasi nakaasa kami sa friends na willing magprovide ng space for us. Naisip namin sa food park sa
maginhawa muna kami mag gano'n.
A: For me kasi, the very fact na someone opens a space where people can ask questions without being
judged, thats already important.
I: May friends ako na guys na takot mag-ask ng questions. Si Pagbu, he was asking me the other ano na
takot siya na magsabi ng kahit ano'ng derivative baka may magalit daw sa kanyang feminist, tapos sabi
ko 'di naman lahat ng feminist galit sa lalaki, natatakot lang din siya.
A: Actually 'yung nga 'yung ironic din for me, even for a lot of people who project themselves as
progressive are actually super closed off to the idea na.
I: Altering themselves?
A: Oo, tsaka 'yung parang hindi sila makapag-tolerate no'ng idea na baka may mali din sila. Kahit sa
Babaylan may gano'n din. Naging issue siya before, si Vince Liban, 'yung former Head Babaylan yata,
tapos nag-tweet siya na sabi niya 'di naman daw derogatory yung term na paminta c ause its gay lingo.
A: Oo, kasi when you say paminta, you're basically saying na it's a gay guy who doesn't look gay, trying to
pass for a straight. Is there a specific right way of being gay ba? Par ang “gurl, head ka ng babaylan?”
Interview # 5
Name of recording: Voice 14
Date: 4/4/2019
Interviewer: Isis Molintas
Interviewee: Prof. Nathalie Africa-Verceles
N: Okay, my name is Nathalie Africa-Verceles. I’m the Director of the UP Women’s and Gender studies.
I: Okay, have you heard po of the phenomenon called “Pastor Hokage Bible Study” groups?
N: I didn't even know it was a bible study group. I only remember the name pastor hokage. Pastor ba s iya
talaga?
I: Ay no, not really. Hindi po sila pastor. To give a short explanation po, groups po sila para hindi po
mahanap kaagad sa Facebook algorithm or 'di po ma -report.
N: Before, I was able to search it as pastor hokage but now, how do you sear ch for them?
I: They changed their names, and mas underground na 'yung groups nila.
N: In Facebook pa rin?
I: FB and Twitter na rin po.
I: Same groups lang din po 'yung nagci -circulate na - kasi I interviewed rin po 'yung sa Catcalled in the
Philippines - same groups lang, same owners.
N: So, sila rin 'yun. Ok. Sige, I have heard. That was a couple of months ago. When they were still - there
was an expose about them. I even saw that I had friends who were part of the group.
N: Ah, okay. So, ayun. So, yeah, I have heard. How can I explain this phenomenon? That’s your next
question.
I: Opo.
N: Okay what is this phenomenon. It’s a social media - it’s open to the public ba? It’s public.
N: Are we talking about the public side, or the private side, now that it’s pr ivate?
N: Okay, so when we’re talking about the phenomenon, we’re talking about it as a private thing.
N: Is it a chat group?
I: Sometimes it’s group chat po. So, it’s a private thing that happens on a public platform po.
N: Okay, I’ll just say that this bible, quote unquote 'yan 'diba, this bible study group is a perfect example
of how social media can be detrimental to women. Ako, I always say that social media platforms are,
well, except for Facebook, kasi nga Facebook also manipulates its users by tracking their preferences
using these very complicated algorithms. So for a while, I used to think that social media platforms were
neutral, but have you heard about how Facebook actually manipulates and uses, also without ou r
knowledge, our data and preferences to influence what comes out in our news feed? And, I realized,
it’s not really a neutral platform. I don't know about the others, do they do the same- in Twitter? Let’s
assume na lang na - so social media then is something that we should be very wary about, because
apart from what the owners do in order to maximise their profits, we may expect that, because it’s also
a business. It can also be used by individuals to reproduce and perpetuate toxic masculinity.
I: Actually the scary thing about this is 'yung pag-send po ng photos ng mga babae, dati ano po siya , dark
web or child pornography
N: Ha? In pastor? May children? Ano pa? Ano pa 'yung talagang mga distasteful - children.
I: Oo. They also have a language na for it. Kaya nga pastor hokage para hindi mahanap sa Facebook 'yung
groups nila, para matakpan.
I: Mayroon po akong kilala who has been inside. May resibo po siya, pero hindi po kasi ethical sa research
niya na i-report yung mga-
I: Scrini-screenshot niya.
I: Filipino users din po. Kaya po tumataas 'yung demand for child pornography din, dahil po sa existence
po nito sa social media.
N: Girls or boys?
I: Boys, mostly din. Mas tumataas na po 'yung demand for boy child pornography.
N: Where?
I: Sa Facebook groups, lalo na po sa Twitter ngayon na nagkaroon po ng bagong movement do'n.
N: Sorry, I’m so shocked, eh, it’s boys, not even girls. How young?
N: So gays?
I: Hindi po.
I: Not really po. It doesn't really matter kung ano 'yung gender.
N: Okay.
I: Dati po kasi 'yung mga ganitong bagay, nasa dark web po talaga sila. You really have to access the d ark
web. Ngayon, it’s very easy to get these things. And 'yung scary thing about that is if it's so close to our
real life, it can also affect 'yung actions ng mga taong 'to in real life
N: If they were able to talk like that privately, what are they like in real life? And, these are people moving
around our campus?
N: Yeah. 'Di ka naman magre-resort to that kind of behavior a nd language 'diba? Okay, from a feminist
POV, well, it affirms that there is still patriarchy, it’s still patriarchy essentially, 'diba, it’s still the systemic
structure of male dominance and female subordination. Because it’s only men who are members of
these group. Are there women?
I: No.
N: See, so it’s still men thinking that they’re privileged in terms of exercising their right over women and
now even children and even young boys. That’s also patriarchal behaviour because it’s extreme sense
of dominance over everyone. Because under patriarchy, it’s obviously men who have the highest status.
So, from a feminist perspective, that’s really the explanation. It’s still unequal gender relations. Wherein
men have extreme power over everyone who are not men. Kasi nga may mga bata. Walang girls?
I: 'Yung next question ko po, is there a specific form of Filipino toxic masculinity as opposed to more
Western or East Asian versions.
N: You know there should be, kasi we always look at masculinity and femininity as not just what it means
to be a man and a woman in a certain society - it’s very context specific. So, we cannot assume that the
masculinity exercised by these men in these groups mirror exactly the masculinity found in other
countries. Particularly, you are saying Western or East Asian. I dont know, I can't do an inter -regional
or inter-country xxx but obviously, our contexts are very different. I mean, it's similar in some ways pag
third world country, but also different in other ways.
Kasi, like we’re supposed to be a very very religious country, 'diba, and you wonder if it’s a reaction also.
Kasi, I am surprised that children are including in this group page, 'diba, because we know already ab out
pedophiles from other countries, so that was a bit of a surprise for me. Kasi, it’s awful that we already
demean our women, so I was thinking na, “okay, maybe that’s something that we really need to deal
xxx lang,” but to hear that we also have young girls and boys - baka mayroon din copycat na ginagaya
lang din nila. Kasi obvious in the age of globalization, cultural globalization in particular, they are
exposed to the same things, kasi we don't know which other platforms these men participate in. So,
they could also be mimicking what they see online elsewhere. But, I’m trying to imagine in what ways
that toxic masculinity can be different because it’s Filipino.
N: I dont know kasi I have to do a textual reading, 'diba, I have to look at the photos. Because I have not
really browsed the site, I can’t tell you what kind of toxic masculinity is being manifested, so I can't tell
you how it may be because we’re Filipino. So, can you give me an idea of what you see?
I: May pagka-ganun din po 'yung pastor hokage, parehas lang din po nagiging platform to share 'yung
mga ganitong photos. Tsaka napapansin ko po is because hindi nila, actually 'yung sa toxic masculinity,
they think that they’re less of a human being or a male guy kasi 'di sila nakakakuha or nakaka -attract
ng girls, so there’s this pressure for them to be more of a guy. You’re more of a guy if you contribute
more photos lalo na 'pag madami kang following, mas nakakadagdag po sa –
N: So, ibig sabihin madami kang conquests? So, it’s like you have a lot of medals.
I: Yes.
N: I don't know if it's very Filipino. Kasi, men naman everywhere, there are men everywhere who have a
hard time finding partners and also they see women as people to conquer and then they conquer and
then they brag about it, 'diba? So, it’s also about trying to establish your credibility as a man. Kasi, the
likes is also a measure of how successful you are, 'diba in picking up women. Xxxx Yeah, so they talk
about also what they do to women diba?
N: Kasi the question is do I think that there is a specific Filipino form. So, my answer there would be,
without having seen the content in many ways it would be similar toxic masculinity that we see in other
countries but I’d be interested also in knowing and I'm sure there are distinctly Filipino ways in which
we can see that it’s toxic masculinity that is very Filipino.
N: Pero, again, I need to add that because of homogenization of cul tures, because of cultural globalization,
we have this also, a merging already of toxic masculinity kasi they mimic na lang each other.
I: Do you think the internet contributes to the rise and spread of these groups?
N: Yes, because they’ve provided these spaces where they can come together, all these perverts, these
lowlives - wala na akong maisip na adjectives, these despicable sub-human scum of the earth, okay. I
could use my thesaurus. So yeah, because without the internet, they would have to be ph ysically
together and find ways to come together that’s not easy.
I: Yeah and they know that it’s wrong so they have to hide it.
N: Oo, you have to hide it and also i think you won’t be as brave if you are doing it face to face. 'Diba, kasi
parang ang bababuy niyong tao pag harap harapan kayo, parang 'di ba kayo nandidiri sa isa’t isa, but
when you’re online, there’s also a sense of anonymity- even if they know your name. Still. It’s like
cybersex- I’ve met people who participate in cyber sex work, and they feel that even if there’s
interaction, because it’s done online they still feel that they’re detached, they’re not in that act, diba.
So, parang ganyan din. 'Diba, you feel like you’re somehow insulated from being in actual contact with
the people you do these nefarious disgusting things with.
I: Actually, we have laws, 'diba po, that prohibit- anti photo and video voyeurism act.
N: Oo, pero 'di pa siya strong enough kasi wala pa 'yung anti -cybercrime- mayroon, there’s another series
on Hontiveros’s file.
I: Yung gbev?
N: Oo, ayun. That I would think protect women because you’re not allowed to upload.
Obviously, the photos, at least most of the photos uploaded there, most of them have no consent.
I: most of them have no consent, oo. Pero, 'yung problem po dito is you can’t only bring one perpetrator
to court, eh, kasi it’s an entire community talaga and at the same time most of these are fake accounts
and you can’t really track these people.
N: See, that’s what the internet also facilitates, you can create a fake persona and get away with it and
actually derive some pleasure by living through that fake persona, 'diba, para siyang avatar? It’s not
them, so it’s their dark side? I don't even know if they see it as a dark side.
N: Oo, nahihiya sila. So, 'di ko alam kung sa other countries nagtatago din ba 'yun. 'Diba, the Filipinos are
so fixated on “hiya?”
N: 'Diba. It’s very Filipino, parang we’re always so concerned of what other people will think of us.
I: Specially if someone proves you wrong, you have to fight back because napahiya ka diba?
N: And that’s very toxic masculinity related ha, parang you don’t want to accept that you were wrong.
More man than women do it diba. Kasi women, it’s easy for us to say sorry, 'diba. Pero, 'pag lalaki kasi,
part of male dominance 'yan, 'diba. Maybe you should look into that, is that how they relate to each
other online?
N: That’s what I’m trying to drive at when I say there might be culturally specific behaviors that derive
from our context as Filipinos. Or pwede din utang na loob.
N: Diba? Kasi it’s the motivation we should be looking at, kasi if we look at the manifestation pare pareho
naman mga gago mga unggok 'yan diba, pero ano 'yung motivation baka do'n nag-iiba. Baka cultural
'yung impetus. So, look at that. You have to look at what they say and examine motivations.
I: Okay. 'Yung nakita ko, ang hirap po talaga i -bring all these people accountable, so we should make a
community that changes 'yung thinking behind this.
N: Oh my god. That’s related to our larger problem of patriarchy, right? So, this is just one manifestation.
What is the problem- it’s patriarchy- everything boils down to patriarchy - sexual harassment, all forms
of violence against women boils down to patriarchy. So, if you want to change or transform o ur society
into one that does not breed that kind of behavior, you have to eliminate patriarchy, which is, as you
know, easier said than done. Kasi, ang dami dami nating batas, Magna Carta of Women, Anti -Rape Law,
Anti Violence against Women and Children, it’s not implemented well enough, there’s always that gap
between the existence of the law and its effective implementation. Then, you problematize why is it
not implemented. Because, there are still people who implement the law who are still patriarchal.
I: The president.
N: Oo, imagine that’s the highest leader of the land. And also there’s a general lack of understanding about
patriarchy. Na it’s wrong. To treat a disease, is not to give aspirin, 'diba. It will alleviate the symptoms.
You can always report, it will shut down for a while. It’s treating the symptoms, what we should do
really is to cure the illness. And, we know naman what the source is, eh. That’s why, here in the center,
ang tiyaga namin mag-training diba? Talagang we go around. We don’t naman assume that everybody
will believe the things we say, pero what’s important is raising awareness. Because, there are still
people who will be surprised because they don’t understand.
I: Okay, so I’ll ask you na po on nurturing more positive forms of masculinity. How can we influence men
na it’s okay to be weak, to cry?
N: Many many ways. We should start when they’re very very very young. So, what we should be doing is
raising awareness among young parents. Kasi, I don't think it’s too early. Kahit bagong panganak, 'diba,
when you see a baby, it’s so important na for people to identify whether it's a boy or a girl.
N: And even people, kunwari, may baby na naka neutral or white. “Ay babae o lalaki” that’s the first thing
that comes to mind, so can you imagine how gender is so wired into our brains as something that’s so
essential that we need to identify a newborn on the basis of his or her sex agad agad, 'diba. We should
start very early, because even the way babies are handled are different daw, parang if it’s a baby boy
we can be rougher. Even the toys we use. And, the way we talk to them. Can you imagine?
Baby pa lang 'to, nai -imbibe na niya, tapos 'pag girls, we’re more soothing and we’re more gentle with
it, 'pag boys, we feel that we can be rougher. Imagine that you’re a baby pa lang, you’re already being
exposed to this kind of world. That’s why start way before they become young Filipino teens and men.
Start when they’re born. You can’t naman teach them, you have to teach als o the people who are
handling and raising them, the parents. Kasi we also work with early childcare and development
teachers, because they go to school early na, 'diba? We make sure the teachers have a training module
na, so if they go to school, if they’re not learning it in the house.
At least in school, it’s being reinforced by teachers. They’re learning that gender doesn’t really matter.
Basta start young. Let’s go to the mga matatanda, I don't believe in the saying that “you can’t teach an
old dog new tricks,” kasi if you believe that, you just wait for older generations to die and they still can
cause damage. 'Diba kahit matanda na, kahit lolo na nangra -rape pa din 'diba. So, 'di dapat pagsukuan
ang mga matatanda, so we need to always be optimistic, na we can still influence people to change
their behaviours. Both men and women, kasi it’s not just the men, pati din 'yung babae. And, sometimes
the women also reproduce it because they bought into it. Even women are the ones who blame other
women and who excuse the toxic masculinity as something normal.
That’s why kahit matanda trabahuin natin yan. And, 'yung mga nasa gitna, itong mga ginagawa natin.
Magka discussions sa community and outside. May multiplier effect na 'yan. It’s essentially not giving
up on raising awareness, that’s the most we can do right now. And also if there are legislation that are
pending, we can support our senators. Marami namang ways. The internet can play a role, if we utilize
the platform for good, rather than for bad. That’s what I try to do, kaya nga accept ako nang accept ng
friend, because I feel that it’s an advocacy. And also, I believe in the power of social media as a force
for good.
So, we can harness the potential of social media to also raise awareness, to deliver the messages that
will act as countervailing force to all these toxic misogynist sexist statements, photos. I think we can
and also, we can create safe spaces for women to find comfort in each other, to support each other.
Those who don't want to go on social media talking about their feelings, 'diba, and they want to stay
anonymous, but they want to articulate what they’re feeling, they can do it also sana in groups without
revealing their names and their identities. Parang turn it against the men.
N: You reduce women to bodies, kasi if you looked at that person as somebody who had dignity, as
someone equal to you, would you do that ?
Interview # 6
M: Hi everyone, this is @Isis Molintas, she will be interviewing us roundtable style here on chat
I: Hello everyone! Thank you Mikers for the group chat. Siguro I can start with i ntroducing my thesis
research?
I: My topic is focused on Pastor Hokage Bible Study Groups and how it's mainly caused by toxic
masculinity among Filipino men and teens. In the course po of my research, I've found that there is
almost little to none baseline reports on online GBV against women and LGBTQ. And while we have
laws that protect us from these like Anti -cybercrime, anti photo and video voyeurism act and the recent
Anti-gender based electronic violence bill filed by Sen. Risa Hontivers, medyo mahirap po yung
implementation including helping the victims of these crimes. And this is a topic that is in dire need of
discourse among us online too.
I: But because I'm a visual communication major from fine arts, I am more focused on find ing visual
solutions to the problem of pastor hokage bible study groups. From here on po, I'd like to hear what
you think about the phenomenon and also what you can propose po na solutions to these.
K: OK! Sige.
[MOLINTAS-ISIS_Research Questions.docx] these are the questions I will be asking po pero I will b e
sending them din po one by one thru this group chat
K: Kenneth Yu. Multiple fields of interest, I guess -- but I am obsessed with doing stuff that has some kind
of social good element. Line of work is Startup / Software. I'm business lead on Sakay.ph
K: Also, wait. To get Talia on this also, maybe we can do Telegram instead?
I: Have you heard of the recent phenomena called Pastor Hokage Bible Study Groups? How can you
explain this phenomenon from the perspective of your expertise?
K: Yes, I've definitely heard of it. As for how i'd explain it-- this is unfortunately one of those bad elements
that is present in the internet.
Guys get together online and compile / share porn. It's not too bad when the porn is consensually made
for public consumption (even though there are piracy issues at play)
but the Hokage version is particularly bad, because it involves unwilling participants who didn't consent
to having those pictures taken, or to having those pictures shared publicly
I: Yes, when I read po the article by Esquirre mag during June 2017 - I also read that there also exists child
pornography in these groups - may I confirm po if this is true?
K: Yeah. unfortunately, it's present in at least s ome of the groups. sometimes it's explicitly referred to as
“atabs” or “bata”. though that also sometimes applies to people just above 18, or generally young-
looking
I: Is there an average age or demographic these perpetrators are in? For example from wha t socio-
economic class or does this trespass all classes and even educational attainment?
I'm pretty sure there's a range of educational attainment harder to determine socio-economic class so
I'm coordinating with some other groups to collect into on the behavior of the Holy Grail / pastor
Hokage groups and the goal is to compile enough data to be useful to an NBI investigation so there are
some things that I am holding back, information-wise because its better if the details we've found aren't
super public
K: Since if the targets know they're being tracked, they may change strategy
I: I understand din po na it's important to protect the data of these people who participate in the groups.
K: So yes I apologize, but I will need to hold back / be nonspecific for some questions. yun lang.
K: Anyway. Re socio-economic class. i think some of the general behavior implies that they're maybe cd
range but almost certainly they have audiences in class B. di lang siguro main admin / operator
I: What I noticed lang po is after the recent reports on Pastor hokage bible study groups, while most of
these groups have gone into hiding - they still exist and continue to do these acts right? Almost similar
to pick up artists academy.
K: Yeah it’s still going on. I think the names have changed na. Currently what I'm seeing is people referring
to the file collections as “holy grail” usually in google drives so they distribute a link to a google drive
that has all these organized folders of various women. A lot of the time it has their full names and a
screenshot of their Facebook profile
I: Next question po would be: Do you think the Internet contributes to the rise and spread of these
groups? What other factors contribute to the rise of these groups?
Do you think there is a specifically Filipino form of toxic masculinity as opposed to more Western or
perhaps other Asian versions?
K: Yeah, the internet definitely contributes. Internet makes all forms of communication easier. So even
bad types of communication behavior become easier also.
Another contributing factor is just technology in general. Like these types of nonconsensual porn
distribution weren't really that much of a thing before, becaus e only actual professional actresses /
photographers were able to take the pictures or video
K: Now, cameras are in every phone, and sending pictures has become a normal part of interaction
between people. It makes sense that it applies to private interac tions also so there's just a lot more
material out there in the world that could become targeted
This is, of course, not the fault of the people taking the pics, if it was with consent. Only of the people
leaking and resharing them.
K: As for specifically Filipino toxic masculinity, I'm not sure like... somehow, I suspect that the Filipino
version just runs along the same lines as what you'd find in other countries . Like its possible that the
specific names and group types are different maybe the focus on the use of Facebook, for example.
Seems more common in the Philippine setting because of the “free FB/data” thing so people just go to
FB to look for everything they'd get from the internet, including porn
But in another country, the “revenge porn” would be found elsewhere like that case with the celebrity
photo leak. That showed up on individual sites iirc or on places like reddit or 4chan, etc.
I: I see, so then it doesn't matter the race or even the platform as long as it's accessible and anonymous.
May I confirm po ba na most of the members of Pastor Hokage Bible Study Groups are male?
T: Yes, I’ve heard of it. I feel like it’s the worst mix of anonymity, being kunsintidor, and perversion. It’s for
this reason that we cannot pinpoint things like demographics and interviewing people in the groups is
so hard. We saw this a bit in the pick up artist communities in the 2000s, but the internet had blown up
the scale. It’s worsened by a patriarchal and misogynistic society that absolves these people of the
crime and harm they’re doing.
K: Like “oh i know what her FB is, she's just one step away from me” or whatever it is –
I: Hi po!
K: Not like an actress-- actors and actresses seem, in peoples' minds, to be explicitly separate but yeah
that thing Talia said is really sharp
specifically, like society KEEPS ON MAKING EXCUSES for this type of behavior
I: Hmm. Yes I agree with that din po and maybe it doesn't just end there- I would like to think din that the
people who engage in this sort of behavior believe that they can get away or be excused from this
because an entire community of their fellow friends have enabled them and support them for this
K: Its constantly “well why did she take/send those pictures in the first place”
yeah exactly that its always on the women to “be careful” and “be on guard” because “boys will be
boys” even with people who are theoretically liberal they're like “I hate rapists also but... come on,
women, you can't say that you're not even slightly at fault, you shouldn't have taken those pics ” there's
a /lot/ of those kinds of opinions floating a round
I: Then this is an issue of addressing the roots of patriarchy and misogyny -- which is easier said than done
right?
K: Definitely tho I don't think anyone is under the illusion that solving the problem will be in any way quick
or easy
I: Specially if mismo from our government we have people in positions of power who are misogynists and
get away with acts of rape or harassment
I: Hmm okay po-- may I ask rin po your opinions on how more positive forms of masculinity can be
promoted among young Fil ipino men and teens?
K: Yeah. The fact that the problem's all the way in government is disturbing. Tho to be fair, Duterte isn't
the first one. There's been that general tone going on in the gov't for a while now, I think --
T: I think the internet makes the worst of us more accessible. People used to hide their perversion but
nowadays, they don’t so it’s encouraged amongst other people because they get validated.
T: I feel like toxic masculinity here is celebrated by the culture and by the politics, so it’s worsened, but
really everyone has access to validation for bad behavior as it is.
K: As for opinions on how more positive forms of masculinity
I have some thoughts but I genuinely don't know if they make sense
Like it disturbs me that we have such an explosion of superhero fandom / fan culture
but so little equivalent improvement in morals
Like... fuckin-A, my entire moral code was built out of all the superhero comics and cartoons and stuff
I was a fan of
its super basic diba-- protect people, don't be the bad guy, user whatever power you have for good
Thats super basic, and I sometimes imagine that people could be appealed to in that way
but its already a big deal in hollywood and you still have the tox icity, so maybe it needs to be something
else or something sharper
T: They're like “I hate rapists also but... come on, women, you can't say that you're not even slightly at
fault, you shouldn't have taken those pics THIS. Feminism is still lacking here and women are some of
the worst and most damaging misogynists. Their misogyny reinforces and validates misogyny in men
I: Okay for context po for that question-- I've read po na sending these photos and videos of women via
groups all boils down to the desi re for validation and that these photos have become currency for self-
validation among men- na mas nakakalalake pa kung may ganito kang photos. But then it's also because
there's the expectation to be more manly- in a lot of senses including to not cry etc. Kaya yun po yung
background ng question about nurturing positive forms of masculinity.
T: I appreciate that, say, for intellect and scholarly sipag, women are accepted as achievers here. I think
women in completely chaste intellectual contexts are treated better here, but the moment you talk
about sexual freedom, everyone loses their minds
K: Its just -- well, I'd like to find something new to masturbate to tonight, lets go look for holy grail drive
shit
K: I appreciate that, say, for intellect and scholarly sipag, women are accepted as achievers here. I think
women in completely chaste intellectual contexts are treated better here, but the moment yo u talk
about sexual freedom, everyone loses their minds
yeah actually. I feel like this is a contributing factor also. Like people are pretty repr essed about sex and
sexuality. Even guys eh like on one hand, there IS the expectation that guys are always horny and its a
point of pride na parang yeah boys will be boys etc . etc.
I: I agree with this. We're still very much attuned to the thought that women should be passive sex objects
and not people with emotions and needs etc.
T: Women who express any sense of sexuality or any sense of vanity and self-assurance are judged like
society wants to destroy them for it.
T: Yeah! Urban poor women still say “ginamit ako ng asawa ko” to talk about sex
K: Like you don't really hear guys talking healthily about sex either? its always OH HUH YEAH IM A MANLY
MAN THIS IS WHAT I DO
K: Very general like the presence of sexuality is just a signifier of strength like you don't really hear guys
talking healthily about sex either?
T: Yeah, yun yung flip side. Low libido men are also oppressed and looked down on
K: And not an actual need that should be addressed by people. I think that's part of the reason people
take to these weirder sources of sexual stimulation
T: Like there are such set roles of pure women vs horny men that any deviation is severely punished
I: Yes! to summarize we expect our women to be chaste and virginal - we also expect our men to have
“experience”
K: Yeah
T: Anlabo right : ))
M: For me, I think its fair to say that thee are regional variants to toxic masculinity. Personally, I grew up
exposed to the more toxic elements of masculinity... I think it's really something that's ingrained in
young boys from a very early age.
So that disrespect towards women comes from their fathers, their uncles, their kuyas - anyone with a
strong male influences. Kids don't like being left out and any sign of behaviour that doesn't fit the bill
of 'what a man should be' is can leave young men at a disadvantage to where they either change their
thinking and behavior to fit in, or they face violence from other men...
Filipino toxic masculinity is a combination of so many different things that people just don't have the
capacity to process... It's not to say that attitudes aren't changing. But it's only just started.
I had a classmate in college who beat up a guy because he was the boyfriend of a girl he thought was
cute. These boys are programmed to behave this way at a young age.
K: Or actually to go past that pa like... you have that virgin-whore dichotomy thing that you hear about
sometimes. Women can only be one or the other there's no midway of okay this person is smart and
wholesome and intelligent and respectable, but also has sexual needs and is a sexual being.
T: True
M: As a transgender person, I have such a bone to pick with Filipino toxic masculinity because it puts good
people through hell if they don't conform.
Sorry if I'm going a different way with the convo, I only jus t caught up and wanted to share my views.
I: Okay, so would you guys suggest that in order to address these problems - we have to focus on
reorienting the youth and the children? Do you believe that people from our generation and older will
still be able to unlearn?
M: I think, education, proper education towards sex, gender, and decency should be done at a young age.
B: We have to start them young. Even willing allies who are older, from my observation, have a hard time
learning if they are so used to the culture of toxic masculinity.
K: Full agreement. But I think even older generations can be taught also.
Like I think I had a lot of the more toxic masculine tendencies growing up, because I went to an all boys
school
Like I still have violence responses built in
I: May I ask if you have any ideas on addressing the older generations
K: But i didn’t have too much trouble unlearning that, through exposure to other people and their stories
Like I think I had a lot of the more toxic masculine tendencies growing up, becaus e I went to an all boys
school
I: I would agree din there. Growing up has been a process of unlearning din for lalo na sa internalized
misogyny
K: Like some people can be changed over just by letting stories be heard
B: If we want to address the older generations, we really have to be firm about our beliefs and boundaries.
Don't give them a pass for being sexist even if they're older.
K: Some won’t. Some are like really hard set in their ways, and people like that need to be challenged
directly
I: Therefore we need to provide more platforms and safe spaces for people to come out and discuss these
gender oppressions and experiences?
K: Like some people won’t be changed, but if you argue against them, other people who are listening may
be convinced in the process
K: Therefore- we need to provide more platforms and safe spaces for people to come out and discuss these
gender oppressions and experiences? Yeah I could say so. That makes s ense
I: May I ask if you guys think that the people who participate in these group chats can also change for
the better? If so, how or what has to be done or changed?
M: The real problem you have there are communities or people in positions of power who are unwilling to
have those conversations out of fear over what it will do to their reputation.
Good example. I worked as a pre-school teacher before. Kids have sexual feelings to an extent and they
are not equipped to process what's going on with themselves, so they follow the adults who dictate
their future behavior.
One school I worked for was in Chinatown and belonged to a woman who was very respected in her
community. There was an incident of a little boy inappropriately touching other classmates. His teacher
wanted to address it through a PTA between the parents. The owner of the school didn't want that
because she was worried about how it would make her look, and not how it would affect her students
as they got older.
I worked for another pre-school, this time in Makati. The head mistress has a degree in education from
UCLA. We had incidents of kids who would openly masturbate. They didn't know what they were doing.
So to address that, the headmistress had an entire day that was devoted to sexual education on a very
very basic level that covered everything from consent to privacy to childbirth. And she taught the lesson
as if it wasn't a big deal.
So I share these stories because they're are completely different ways most people in power respond
to sexual education.
B: Read somewhere that misogyny is, above all, trying to fit in with the other men in the community and
getting their approval. It would be a big help if a lot more men called these people out instead of simply
staying silent.
I: The real problem you have there are communities or people in positions of power who are unwilling to
have those conversations out of fear over what it will do to their reputation….
To summarize- create more discourse, safe spaces too including proper education for the youth on sex
ed and consent + be firm on older generations + create public awareness that informs people that
sexuality is nothing to be ashamed of
K: May I ask if you guys think that the people who participate in these group chats can also change for the
better? If so, how or what has to be done or changed?
Yes. But I think the strongest would be negative reinforcement, at least to begin with
Like I honestly want to see someone get hardcore arrested for this shit
Especially an admin or ringleader
Make sure it’s a real shit-show for him, very public, and time in jail
That’ll be a wake up call. At least I’d hope
I: I read somewhere that misogyny is, above all, trying to fit in with the other men in the community and
getting their approval. It would be a big help if a lot more men called these people out instead of simply
staying silent.
Yes! Because after all it's also men who are affected and made stunted by societal expectations!
Women's issues are after all gender issues.
M: It's like what's going on in Korea right now, with all the hidden camera nonconsensual videos being
made and the distribution among all those pop stars.
I: Like I honestly want to see someone get hardcore arrested for this shit
Regarding this, may I ask your ideas on what form of justice is suitable for these perpetrators? Especially
since our government takes a long time to process cases such as this
B: I think we also really need to make it a point to actively destigmatize the taking of photos and videos
for personal use. Speaking as someone who also does nude modeling. One of the thoughts I had when
I decided to do nude modeling was, “If I do nude modeling, I'll be one step closer to being immune to
the shame of having my nudes leaked by a vengeful partner because, what can he leak? I openly display
my nudes!”
K: I read somewhere that misogyny is, above all, trying to fit in with the other men in the community and
getting their approval. It would be a big help if a lot more men called these people out instead of simply
staying silent. This too. I think men need to speak up
M: I think some men, have no idea how to process these things or movements like #Metoo. So you also
have men at a strange position, I feel... Because you have men who are just blunt and manly, but don't
do shady shit like this. And then, you also have men who do... I'm still trying to articulate where this is
going, but I've talked to different guys, decent men mind you who raise strong and independent
daughters, who have no idea how to process it... So men,in general, I think are angry and confused.
Granted, there are sexist dicks out there... But many don't see that a lot of it is directed to sexist dicks
or men who will get sex through any disgusting means.
K: Also it’s like... I think onenpossible push is to talk about how there are fully consensual types of porn
that can be accessed
M: Totally agree with @Brenda Depasupil because the moment you destigmatize the naked form and how
natural it is, you start to really shift the back power and give people authority over their own bodies.
K: Like the jury’s still out on whether porn itself is inherently bad (I don’t think it is). But DEFINITELY there
are multiple types of porn available that are infinitely less bad than pastor hokage bullshit. Because
these women did it with consent, and got paid, and went through the necessary confirmations that
they’re of legal age, and on.
Like why even bother with thes e grainy images that have so much moral damage implied. Just go get
something that someonenwillingly created for public consumption.
I: Thank you for this-- gave me ideas on what my thesis output possible would be hahaha
B: Afaik, there are pervs who get off on the idea that the material was taken and posted without consent.
Sadly.
M: There are so many amazing choices that people have no idea is out there, made by people who love
and enjoy their bodies.
One thing I don't get is how people can enjoy something, anything made without the proper consent.
And this including more BDSM-oriented genres... To want that level of discomfort, I dunno... It takes
away from how beautiful and gratiffying of an experience sex can be.
K: Afaik, there are pervs who get off on the idea that the material was taken and posted without consent.
Sadly. Now that I think about it, aren’t there also tons of porn models who actually simulate this. Like
it’s just pics on Snapchat or simulated scenarios
I: To summarize- we need to include men in the conversation and have them as allies in calling out
perpetrators and misogynists
B: Now that I think about it, aren’t there also tons of porn models who actually simulate this. Like it’s just
pics on Snapchat or simulated scenarios Also, Fake Taxi. LOL.
K: To summarize- we need to include men in the conversation and have them as allies in calling out
perpetrators and misogynists Yeah. And to be both aggressive and friendly in approach. Like seek
punishment for the worst offenders but also seek dialogue and discuss alternatives for the less severe
cases. Especially for the people who just patronize but don’t spread or organize
I: It's also about addressing violence against women in porn I think. i read that 90% of porn features some
form of violence against women. Would like to clarify na im not porn shaming or kink shaming but if
those are the messages constantly being shown- one way or the other it would also affect real life.
M: It's about really finding the right tone to approach men. Most men will agree, this stuff is wrong. Some
of them just seem jaded. The idea is to eventually show them that hile its understandable to feel the
way they do, they can play such a huge role in shaping the future of men to be so much better than the
ones who proceeded them.
K: Yeah that’s one of the things that I worry about also. Like that’s why I said “the jury is still out” Because
while consensual porn is definitely better than hokage shit, there ma y be some other industrywide
issues that need to be addressed as well .
B: I would have to agree. We don't have to get rid of “violent” porn entirely, but we do need to educate
people on consent.
K: Yeah! Like I think there’s an entire separate conversation that could go on here, but it would be another
rabbit hole to dive down
M: YES! I mean, I think the great thing about BDSM is that it enables people to explore power dynamics
that they're comfortable with... Any situation can be simulated by two consensual adults away from
the outside world and can be incredibly beautiful.
I do sometimes wonder though is the inclination to want these sexual positions are centuries old, or if
just men and women adjusting and finding some semblance of comfort in spite o f the sexual violence
in the world today... The idea that you're taking back power and comfort through a simulated act... But
I also do believe that people are people and different that anyone can have a taste for just about
anything. The important thing i s how they express it and who its expressed to.
B: I do agree that porn can affect the behavior of the consumers in a context where we don't have proper
sex ed and open and honest conversations about sex, but I would have to say that porn is largely a
reflection of our culture.
K: It's about really finding the right tone to approach men. Most men will agree, this stuff is wrong. Some
of them just seem jaded. The idea is to eventually show them that While its understandable to feel the
way they do, they can play such a huge role in shaping the future of men to be so much better than the
ones who proceeded them.
I think this feeds a bit into what I was saying about superheroes din
Like sometimes I think Oi, you spent an entire lifetime idolizing these chara cters who protect and weak
and fight injustice
How bout you do start doing that yourself, too?
Protect the weak, sorry
I: Definitely. It starts with the individual specially to we all have to constantly guard and call out ourselves
over things that may be harmful to other people- including calling out our immediate friends for these
things
I: Thank you guys for all your inputs and thoughts!! Took me a while to address my thesis because I was
worried with thoughts of what if it turns out “preachy” or that I make a mistake with the tone or the
handling. But im glad that there are people out there who would really like to talk and pave the way for
solutions regarding this!!
Plug ko lang din na im part of a group that holds monthly conversations regarding gender, gender
oppressions and also basic crash courses on feminism and toxic masculinity. Our goal is to hold
discourses on these and invited men to be part of the conversation!
I: https: //web.facebook.com/UsapangLalakiDYP/
^ this is the group page! We're also having a discussion on april 27 sa center for womens and gender
studies sa UP on relationships and gender!
My net is slow right now. I might have to go offline soon but thank you for all your insights!! Would like
to update you guys din about what I find regarding my thesis topic and also about the output
B: Where do you usually hold your monthly discussions? Maybe I can drop by sometime if it's just in UP!
K: ah! There we go!
B: Liked!
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I: THANK YOU SO MUCH GUYS!!!
Interview # 7
Via Facebook Messenger group chat
Date: 4/11/2019
Interviewer: Isis Molintas
Interviewee: Lovely Ramos
L: Okay, so I'm Lovely Ramos. Social Media Manager in an advertising agency, and the current
secretary general of Gabriela Network of Professionals. So actually, these two may either be
contradicting or in harmony (especially for the creation of feminist campaigns).
I: My topic is focused on Pastor hokage bible study groups and how it's mainly caused by toxic masculinity
among Filipino men and teens. In the course po of my research, I've found that there is almost little to
none baseline reports on online gender-based violence against women and LGBTQ. And while we have
laws that protect us from these like Anti -Cybercrime, Anti Photo and Video Voyeurism Act and the
Recent Anti-Gender Based Electronic Violence Bill filed by Sen. Risa Hontivers, medyo mahirap po yung
implementation including helping the victims of these crimes . And this is a topic that is in dire need of
discourse among us online too.
L: Sa ahensya kasi, ang ultimate goal minsan ay gawing komersyal ang mga bagay. This is especially hard
on my case, that's why as much as possible I don't like managing female brands that commodify
feminism. But because of social media skills and analytics too, we get to know that behaviour of
different audiences, the trigger factors behind each digital phenomenon, etc. We also get to use the
ideation skills with campaigns that should be put out there:how to combat abuse, how to bring together
women from all walks of life. Gabriela Network of Professionals' page,for example, maximises the
capacity to communicate calls via social media posts.
Kaya, tahi dun sa Pastor Hokage posts, yes we're aware of that. And there’s no other way to put this,
but simply a violation on the rights of all its victims. It is definitely harassment in all aspects – physically,
online, mentally, emotionally. More so, it is an evident demonstration of patriarchy – the notion that
men control women, and that they have superiority in manipulating these cases. Iyong pagturing sa
katawan ng babae bilang kalakal ay ‘di lang din patriyarkal, kundi burgis -dekadenteng pananaw.
I: I see po then that while detrimental siya it's still necessary and that advertising can be used to maximize
calls for the greater good.
L: I think mas necessary yung social media campaigns – hindi yung advertising. Hehe
L: Totoo ito. Ang mahirap lalo rin kasi rito ay napakahirap mag-file ng kaso sa NBI. Hindi enough na
naabuso ka kahit DAPAT GANUN. Of course, being laws, they need physical evidences.
I: May experiences na po ba kayo o alam tungkol sa what happens sa pagfifile ng cases pag nagsesend ng
pics without consent?
L: Marami nang dumudulog. At masesend lamang nila ay s creenshots. They started filing complaints sa
NBI but didn't push through because it is really time-consuming, energy and even money-draining. It's
sad. Kaya ang kailangan ng mga ito ay patuloy na suporta.
I: Given po na time consuming at madaming kakulangan yung NBI dito, may ideya po ba kayo kung
papaanong mahohold accountable ang mga nagpaparticipate sa pastor hoka ge groups?
L: Sa ngayon talaga, kailangan nilang malaman na maaari silang maparusahan. That's why we're holding
Violence against Women orientation – doon nila malalaman ang mga batas na sumusuporta sa
karapatan ng kababaihan. Strength in numbers, kumbaga. Doon din sa mga training na ganon, may mga
umaattend na kalalakihan and that's a good sign.
I: Ah kumbaga din po magcreate po ng channels for discourse sa men para magraise po ng awareness.
Pero palagay niyo po kanino po mas magiging effective ang mga mensaheng ito – for example po age
range. And para po mas maging specific if gagawan po ng socmed campaign, how do you think po we
should do this and what needs to be changed po.
I: Regarding this po, I recognize po yung importance of addressing yung victims and women in general
pero palagay niyo po ba this method alleviates the symptoms lang and not the roots which is yung
patriarchal system? Should we also develop ways po of communicating with men?
L: Both ways siya. Because not all victims and women know what patriarchy is all about, too. And agree
with the ways on how to communicate with men. Pero minsan mas maganda na personal silang
umaattend ng talks. Iba minsan ang register of info sa kanila kapag digital lang
I: Noted on this po. Therefore as well as social media campaigns, kailangan din po ng spaces o organizing
among men din po. Moving forward po sa 2nd question
Do you think the Internet contributes to the rise and spread of these groups? What other factors
contribute to the ri se of these groups? Atsaka po: Do you think there is a specifically Filipino form of
toxic masculinity as opposed to more Western or perhaps other Asian versions?
L: Yes, definitely. The internet makes everything accessible, easily connected. Pero aside from that, lack
of awareness talaga yung primary reason behind this behavior. Lack of awareness na mali ang ganitong
sistema, dahil feeling nila hindi ito inclusive.
Okay coming from the question kung anong factors. Factor din talaga minsan na state figure na
nagdedemonstrate mismo ng toxic masculinity. Totoong nangyayari lalo na sa mga kabataan yung “Si
President nga nag-jojoke about rape” or kahit ibang politicians, this kind of influence has a damaging
effect to the rest of the population.
So, addressing patriarchy should really come from resistance and not just enl ightenment. Enlight to
resist, ganun.
When it comes to toxic masculinity, this one applies to all culture naman. patriarchy and GBV (na ang
babae ay pambahay lang) has long been part of different cultures and history.
Kaya mas apt na tawagin itong social struggle. Collective struggle shared by women across the globe.
I: Hi Lovely, sorry naghanap ako ng place to connect sa internet. Salamat dito sa insights mo. I would have
to agree with you dun sa damaging effect ni Pres. Du30 sa youth-- specially if people in positions of
power can get away with misogynistic and rapist remarks what more pa sa pangkaraniwang tao.
Kaya din siguro I would like to bring this up na while patriarchy and GBV exists on a worldwide scale--
there might be contextual differences for example yung Filipino culture of utang na loob. Just would
like to hear your thoughts on this if you have noticed anything that makes us distinctly Filipino sa
pageexpress ng toxic masculinity?
In light of this, do you have any ideas how more positive forms of masculinity can be promoted among
Filipino men and teens?
L: Siguro yung sa Pinas ay yung familial ties kaya rampant ang statutory rape. Bukod sa utang na loob, ay
pinakamalala siguro sa kultura ang pagkahiya ('wag mong ipahiya ang pamilya natin). Maraming biktima
ang 'di nakakalabas ng bahay, o di nailalahad ang istorya nila, dahil magulang nila mismo ang 'di
naniniwala o pinipilit silang itago na lamang ito kesa pag-chismisan sa isang komunidad.
I: Regarding this po, detrimental din po talaga sa victims yung thinking upheld by the status quo na ang
babae ay dapat maging “virginal, chaste, pure”.
L: Hmm, medyo complicated for me yung positive forms of masculinity. Kasi the best way na mag-improve
sila is to know that everyone's equal, and should be equally treated with respect. They can identify to
be masculine or not, but the bottomline is, immersion and orientation sa abuse ang pwedeng way for
them to get enlightened and hopefully transformed.
I: This is interesting po. Bale po one of the reasons din kung bakit toxic masculinity ang ineexpress ng mga
kalalakihan ay dahil din society expects them to be more manly or have qualities associated with being
manly. That's why in turn this emotionally stunts them from expressing any forms of weakness or
softness- for example po yung saying na “kalalaki mong tao umiiyak ka”. I agree with you on this na
there needs to be a wide scale immersion and orientations for people to be aware via social media
campaigns so that there is a clear line for most people where consent and/or abuse begins. What are
your thoughts po on how do we encourage our men to be more articulate and expressive of other
emotions other than anger or violence?
L: Education talaga, e. Like ano ba yung effects ng negative behavior sa psychological well -being, hindi
lang ng mga babae, kundi ng kapwa nila lalaki, or mga bata. And I think, their understanding on human
rights ang dapat palawakin.
It's more than just being smart and responsible, but more importantly empathic and participative. May
mga lalaki rin na, based on experience, ay anti -sexual harassment pero pro-Duterte. Mahirap ito, kasi
ibig sabihin selective at limited ang perspective nila. Once you orient them about the different forms of
sexual harassment, including state-perpetrated forces, then dun nila naiisip na oo nga 'no, I should also
despise the president's sexist remarks, I should also stand in solidarity with those women and children
abused by military forces, especially in the remote a reas. They need to understand too the struggle of
women. For them kasi halimbawa, tatanungin nila bakit walang International Men's Day. Well kahit
meron naman, mahalaga na mainintindihan nila na ang rights nila ay easily served for them to just feast
on. And history and laws prove it. Us, women on the other hand, always have to fight for them.
Siguro, dito factor na lalawak ang pang-unawa nila kung bakit dapat may respeto sa pakikitungo sa mga
kababaihan.
I: Tama po kayo dito. Malaki po talaga ang dapat role ng education sa pagturo ng sex education, consent,
abuse, and stat-perpetrated abuse. Pwede ko po ba malaman if nag pro-provide kayo ng orientations
or educational discussions sa mga kababaihan o kalalakihan lalo na sa youth sector at ano po ba yung
outline o tinuturo po dito?
L: Ang struggle lang while doing these things ay yung palala nang palala na impunity - Hindi
napaparusahan ng pamahalaan, sa pamamagitan ng mga ahensya nito, ang mga maysala sa pang -
aabuso sa kababaihan.
Gabriela Network of Professionals has a series of Violence against Women orientation this year.
Patungo na kami sa second leg nito sa April 27 with emphasis on Expanded Maternity Leave (since
palapit sa Labor Day). You can join one! But our outline mainly is pagtatanong muna kun g ano ang mga
common misconceptions (e.g.,nare-rape ang babae dahil maiksi ang damit). Tapos hihintayin naman
ang response nila kung tama o mali. Eventually, dun na ituturo ang iba't ibang klase ng abuso, ang mga
kaakibat na batas na pumuprotekta sa kababa ihan, kung paano maghabla ng kaso, etc. Sa huli,
tatanungin muli ang mga misconceptions na nasabi nung una, at doon madalas ay naitatama na ang
perspektibo nila. Matapos ang mga programa, ay inaanyayahan silang gumawa ng proyekto kung paano
malalabanan ang abuso sa iba't-ibang komunidad.
Meron din syempre educational discussions kung paano mas mareresolba ang mas malalim na isyu sa
lipunan - patriyarka, pasismo, kahirapan, at militarismo (kung saan madalas ay marami ring naaabuso
sa komunidad).
I: Ay willing po ako makilahok sa isang orientation pero di po ako free sa April 27. Invite niyo lang din po
ako dahil madami din po akong kakilala na gusto sumama sa ganito!
Totoo din po talaga na kailangan ng informal education outside of school para sa mga tao o kahit para
sa mga hindi nakakapasok sa paaralan.
L: Ang good struggle actually namin ay laging landslide sa attendees ang mga ito, minsan mahirap
pagkasyahin sa venue dahil kelangan din syempre ng resources (e wala naman tayong pork barrel
CHAROT) Kung mas marami nang pwedeng mag-orient tungkol sa VAWC ay mas mainam. Kaya iyon ang
target sa bawat orientation
I: Wow! I can testify to that po na on the lighter side of things po, mas madaming nagiging interested sa
social issues at sa rights ng women lalo na coming from my generation – kailangan lang din talaga ng
soc med campaigns, community organizing and volunteer work para mag-enlight to resist with
emphasis on empathy and participation and also to raise awareness po (sina -summarize ko lang po
insights niyo) Naisagot na po lahat ng mga tanong hehe. Maraming salamat sa oras niyo po Ms. Lovely,
marami po akong natutunan naiintindihan ko mula rito lagi't lagi magkatali ang paglaban sa pangaabuso
sa kababaihan sa pangmalawakan paglaban sa state-sponsored abuse, patriarka, at mismo ang sistema
ng kapitalismo. Kung may mga tanong po ako maari po ba ako magchat po muli sa inyo?
L: Tumpak. Go lang! I’m just a chat away. And always happy to help. Salamat din!
Interview # 8
Via Facebook Messenger group chat
Date: 4/12/2019
Interviewer: Isis Molintas
Interviewee: Gabriel Angelo Guilas
I think it is a subtle form of toxic narcissicism. People who can gather a lot of collection of nudes get admiration
from other men and viewed to be as a “chic magnet.”
Physiology also seems to play a role. Pornographic images tend to be addictive and floods the brain with the
pleasure neurotransmitter “dopamine” with just a single click from the groups or websites. The adrenaline thrill
is also present since the stimuli (nudes/sexual videos) are a novel stimuli since they know in the back of their
heads that the involved women do not even know that they are being physically exposed.
People also are psychologically wired to be attached to something/someone in order for him/her to find
meaning: may it be books, a person, hobby, profession, drugs, gambling or pornography. If a person does not
find a way to cope in healthy way which may be due to: trauma, difficulty in forming satisfying relationships,
social isolation or lack of attention he may bond with something unhealthy like drugs, vices or non-consensual
pornography. Some people even makes a collection of nude pictures/videos and some men even sell the
pictures/videos to other men as a form of business and gets money and “admiration” points from other men.
Toxic Masculinity is a form of misogyny that involves objectifying women and viewing them as a “trophy/reward”
instead of viewing them as a person. This invol ves power play games and makingmisogynistic comments like
“Natira ko na yan pre” “ Easy to get yan dali bumigay”.”May nudes ako ni X” Men who can coerce women into
sending nudes garner admiration from other men and views those men as a superior when it comes to the sexual
hierarchy. Cheating is also a form of toxic masculinity. Men seem to get admiration (views them as having kore
reproductive power/potential) to hide and acquire women without being caught. Toxic -minded men promote
this behavior and gets away easily especially when their friends support them and they have distorted fucked-
up core beliefs about women.(eg. : Women are trophies. Women exist to pleasure men. Women dress that way
because they want “it.”)
Filipinos tend to get passive and considers the topic taboo even if the phenomenon is very prevalen t in the
society and nees intervention.Victim blaming is also very common in our culture.
I: Hi Gab thank you for this. It’s very insightful on the psychological part's end. I didn't realize not until
you articulated it na it gives an adrenaline thrill
G: Part II
The internet plays a big role when it comes to the epidemic of toxic masculinity. The private high-speed
information transfer allows the sending of pictures and videos in easy ways. The sad part is the government is
not doing anything to solve the issue and even celebrities who had their private images/videos spread all over
the internet cannot even totally take them down. Filipinos also tend to resurface scandal issues in their
comments. Filipinos are pressured to be “conservative” and this seems to contribute to the issue. Since sex
education is not taught properly, since it is a taboo in our culture, people tend to do risky sexual behaviors and
end up doing more harm than good.
I: Feel ko nga malaking factor din ung lack of insight. Akala ka si ng iba kapag nagview/nagsend ka ng mga
non-consensual nudes sa ibang tao wala naman magiging effect dun sa nasa picture. Pero the truth is
karamihan ng mga nadadawit sa scandals lalo na pag nalaman nung tao is nagkakaroon ng mental
health issues. Parang nawalan sila ng sense of dignity tas ung iba sa kanila nagiging suicidal.
Analaking issue neto no kaso di pinguusapan objectively kasi “nakakahiya” or parang ibla-blame pa ung tao
“kasalanan nia eh sia nagsend nun”
I: Of course! This has dire effects sa victim, lalo na in a country that slut shames anyone who expresses
anything sexual
I: Sa USA lam ko parang may special division ung FBI na nagtatake down ng revenge porn
websites/scandal groups e. Sila din ung nanghuhuli sa mga pedophiles. Dito parang wala man ung
cybercrime law. Wala man nagreregulate dito sadly.
I: I think it boils down to people thinking na this is not a serious crime. I've talked to people who've tried
to file cybersecurity cases tapos laging ang tanong sa kanila ay “bakit mo kasi sinend?” o “wala ka naman
hard evidence na siya yun”
G: Malalala talaga dito. May kakilala nga ako gnawa pang business ung nudes eh. Pinagkakakitaan ung
mga babaeng mga nasa picture ng di nila alam pero we should start considering these acts as criminal
acts - violation in all senses physically, emotionally, mentally sa kababaihan o sa kung sino man nasa
photos
G: Personally ko kakilala. Pero nagstop na ata nung nsa manila daw sia dun daw marami. Tas andami daw
customers. Sa UST ito ha The Pontifical and Royal University of Sto. Tomas. Uso din ung trading eh. Uy
may kwento ako. Alam mo ung kwento ni Marcotect?
I: Hindi, ano yun? Magkano daw kita niya for nudes. Pwede ko ba siya makausap.
G: May nareport nun eh. Gagawin nia i brabrainwash nia ung mga underaged women(mga 16 to 17 yrs
old) na magpopost daw for modelling photos. So ayun mageend up magpopost ung mga babae na
nakahubad gnun. Tas ipopost nia sa forums ung mga nakokolekta niyang photos. Yung mga
nabrabrainwash niya mayayaman ung iba like mga La Sallista ganun. Di ko alam magkano kita nung
kakilala ko eh.. Pero nung nsa UST daw sia dun daw talaga marami
G: Part III
A) Positive forms of masculinity can be promoted by giving proper sexual education to the youth. This is
the time that we become more open about these topics and discuss the impact of non-consensual
pornography to the mental health of those involved. Right Feminism (not misandry) should also be
promoted. Monitoring and regulation of criminal activity in the internet can also help a lot in stopping
the spreading of scandals and non-consensual porn.
B) The internet can play a role in promoting positive masculinity among men. Infographics with simple
information can help in advocating the dignity and protection of women's rights. Groups can also be
formed and forums/live video calls can be facitated wherein teenagers/college students can share
openly about sexuality. (Tulad nung UsapangLalaki na nakwento ni mon de 🙂 feel ko un tlga ung kulang
dito eh,walang outlet ung mga tao na mapagsasabihan nila when it comes to problems regarding
sexuality)
C) Being an occupational therapist, we promote engagement in occupations(occupations are everyday
activities that are important to us and gives meaning in our everday lives). I think dedicating oneself in
more productive acitivities(termed as sublimation in psychiatry) instead of engaging in drugs/non -
consensual pornography can help in coping properly.Cognitive restructuring(changing toxic core beliefs
about women) can also help in eliminating toxic masculinity.
I: Yung nareport- did this stop him from doing this? Search ko na lang din. Also sa kakilala mo, have you
talked to him about this recently - is he aware na mali yun?
I: THIS! Salamat dito. Will quote you on this. So we also need to encourage safe spaces
G: Alam ko nagstop sia nung nareport na. Pinahuli ata sia ng NBI.Yung kakilala ko nagstop na. Nung asa
UST siya dun siya magbebenta kaso nung bumalik na siya ng Pampanga para dito magaral di na
Wala tlgang open space na pwede magusap ung mga tao about sexuality without judgement. Nageend
up nakukuha nilang info mula sa friends/barkada toxic sexuality tas akala nila tama,mali pala.
I: Oo kailangan talaga magcreate ng discourse and lalo na fr ur field! wala kami psych majors sa discourse
would like to hear ur opinions and Mon's too!