9-11 Nano Thermite

Subject: So if traces and evidence of Nano-Thermite have now been established
at 9/11.....
Posted by Splott David on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:06:19 GMT
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Where did that come from as it is only available to the military..
http://just-another-inside-job.blogspot.com/
Subject: Re: So if traces and evidence of Nano-Thermite have now been

established at 9/11.....
Posted by TruBlue on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:09:09 GMT
Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:06Where did that come from as it is only
available to the military..
Not really a credible source that.

Posted by uptheklart on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:09:35 GMT
I love it when a post arises like this, I gaze slowly to the top left of the screen to look at the
username and am always contempt. But yeah, why does everything have to have a conspiracy
or a theory, or anything. Maybe it was from some dead guy, or the planes, or maybe it was bin
ladens farts.

TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:09Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
15:06Where did that come from as it is only available to the military..
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Posted by cityhammer on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:11:57 GMT
15:06Where did that come from as it is only available to the military..

Dont bother to get into a debaat on this one as these conspiraloons just can't grasp reality.

Posted by rjk on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:13:11 GMT
If the military were going to blow up a building for whatever reason and then frame some
terrorists, do you not think that they would probably not use a material that was only available
to the military to do it?

rofl at these websites and people like david, they are wikipedia scientists. David what the ****
do you really know about thermite, or any of these assholes who almost 10 years later are still
writing the same shit to the same retards that believed them firs time around. Anything they
have on their website looks like its off wikipedia because they dont have a clue what they are
talking about.
uptheklart wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:09I love it when a post arises like this, I gaze
slowly to the top left of the screen to look at the username and am always contempt. But yeah,
why does everything have to have a conspiracy or a theory, or anything. Maybe it was from
some dead guy, or the planes, or maybe it was bin ladens farts.
"and am always contempt"
Aw shucks com'on you gotta have an opinion..

uptheklart wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:14rofl at these websites and people like david,
they are wikipedia scientists. David what the **** do you really know about thermite, or any of
these assholes who almost 10 years later are still writing the same shit to the same retards that
believed them firs time around. Anything they have on their website looks like its off wikipedia
because they dont have a clue what they are talking about.
Go ahead enlighten us...

An opinion is good Dave but base it on something logical, something you come up with or
thought of yourself or at a worst case scenario listened to real scientists and proper officials.
Not what some website created by a 19 year old American virgin writes up. I think most the
stuff they quote in this and the people they quote are not real tbh aswell. The fact of the matter
is, it was a terrorist attack and if it was not I dont care as things like this happen with
governments. It is not hurting me and I enjoy my lifestyle. I do care for the plight of others in far
away nations but if my lifes comfy I wont change until its not so comfy.
Posted by NN2Blue on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:20:50 GMT
uptheklart wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:14rofl at these websites and people like david,
they are wikipedia scientists. David what the **** do you really know about thermite, or any of
these assholes who almost 10 years later are still writing the same shit to the same retards that
believed them firs time around. Anything they have on their website looks like its off wikipedia
because they dont have a clue what they are talking about.
Have you got any photographic or video evidence that a passenger jet hit the Pentagon?
Thought not, because one didn't!

Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:16uptheklart wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
15:14rofl at these websites and people like david, they are wikipedia scientists. David what the
**** do you really know about thermite, or any of these assholes who almost 10 years later are
still writing the same shit to the same retards that believed them firs time around. Anything they
talking about.
How about you enlighten me, tell me what you think happened but please dont include quotes
or sayings or pretty much copy and pasts of the bullshit these websites offer. What from YOUR
understanding do you believe happened (your own understanding not that of nutters websites)

NN2Blue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:20uptheklart wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
talking about.
What the **** did then, a meteor? have you got evidence to the contrary.

uptheklart wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:20Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
15:16uptheklart wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:14rofl at these websites and people like
david, they are wikipedia scientists. David what the **** do you really know about thermite, or
any of these assholes who almost 10 years later are still writing the same shit to the same
retards that believed them firs time around. Anything they have on their website looks like its
off wikipedia because they dont have a clue what they are talking about.
Have you heard of the internet..?
Are you even aware of the decline of mainstream news in favour of more balanced
journalism.?
Journalism which doesn't have to consider political, or corporate interests..?
You tell us which websites are bullshit, and after you have listed them we will then look at
evidence from the non-bullshit websites..

15:20Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:16uptheklart wrote on Mon, 11 October
2010 15:14rofl at these websites and people like david, they are wikipedia scientists. David
what the **** do you really know about thermite, or any of these assholes who almost 10 years
later are still writing the same shit to the same retards that believed them firs time around.
Anything they have on their website looks like its off wikipedia because they dont have a clue
what they are talking about.
Have you heard of the internet..?
Are you even aware of the decline of mainstream news in favour of more balanced
journalism.?
Journalism which doesn't have to consider political, or corporate interests..?
You tell us which websites are bullshit, and after you have listed them we will then look at
evidence from the non-bullshit websites..
No I cant be assed it would take to long, lets simplify it and show me what websites are done
by RESPECTED ACADEMICS in their fields and has alot of statistics and real life evidence to
back it up with. There might be one at a push?

Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:11TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
15:09Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:06Where did that come from as it is only
Yes please, a credible one as well please. Not a website based solely on conspiracy theories.
:thumbup:

15:11TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:09Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October
2010 15:06Where did that come from as it is only available to the military..
:thumbup:
Is there such a thing as a conspiracy?
Why does the word conspiracy get used as a perjorative instead of its original and correct
meaning?
Conspiracies exist otherwise the word wouldn't..

15:31Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:11TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October
2010 15:09Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:06Where did that come from as it
is only available to the military..
:thumbup:
Is there such a thing as a conspiracy?
Why does the word conspiracy get used as a perjorative instead of its original and correct
meaning?
Conspiracies exist otherwise the word wouldn't..
OK Thanks for that, now for the credible source.

He is trying to find one give him some time, WWW.IMAGULLIBLECOCK.COM

Posted by Organ Morgan on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:38:00 GMT
This site has much credibility. http://www.ae911truth.org/
It has over 1,000 architectural and engineering bods who say the structures fell by controlled
demolition. Building 7 is the most obvious one. Nothing hit it but it collapsed like a pack of
cards.

2010 15:06Where did that come from as it is only available to the military..
:thumbup:
Why when history is littered with conspiracies, false flag operations, spies, duplicity, and
double dealing that people willingly accept, do these same people refuse to consider the
possibility of it happening in their lifetime?
Is it because it would seriously disturb their known knowledge on how governments operate,
Or how the individual believes they should operate..

2010 15:09Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:06Where did that come from as it
is only available to the military..
:thumbup:
Does this website have any real credibility, will say associations such as ICE back it up.

2010 15:11TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:09Splott David wrote on Mon, 11
October 2010 15:06Where did that come from as it is only available to the military..
:thumbup:
Does this website have any real credibility, will say associations such as ICE back it up.
Organ Morgan wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:38This site has much credibility.
http://www.ae911truth.org/
cards.
Organ it does not matter with some, if you produce 10,000 of the world's top engineering
experts, there are always those who cannot bear the thought that something untoward
happened, because it would lift the lid on so many other things..

Posted by Hicks on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:43:15 GMT
The funniest article I've read on 9/11 conspiracy theories, it's long but very very good:
http://www.alternet.org/story/85723/if_cheney_%26_co._had_re
ally_plotted_the_9_11_attacks_/?page=entire
It's written by Matt Taibbi who is on the mainstream left and is generally very good. It highlights
very nicely just how ridiculous the 9/11 Truth Movement is.
Also I'm disappointed to see Splott David hasn't been banned, I'm shocked that anyone would
let someone with an obvious racist agenda keep preaching hate on a football site.

Organ Morgan wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:38This site has much credibility.
cards.
1,000 engineers out of a country of 250 million is miniscule, add into that the site is worldwide
so those 1,000 engineers will be diluted between plenty of countries. That website has been
setup in the sole aim of proving their theory, for that reason alone it will attract interest of
likeminded individuals.
The fact of the matter is that we can analyze it as much as we wnat, no one knows what would
happen when two large passenger jets hit into two of the world biggest buildings and then them
collapsing. If buildings around their location didn't have any structural damage I'd be more
concerned, the fact that one fell down easily isn't that much of a surprise.
One more point surely there would be a million easier ways for the government to bring down
these buildings as opposed to flying to passanger jets into them?

TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:44Organ Morgan wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
15:38This site has much credibility. http://www.ae911truth.org/
cards.
Which government?
It was an attack. Why do you assume it was an inside job..?
Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:42Organ Morgan wrote on Mon, 11 October
2010 15:38This site has much credibility. http://www.ae911truth.org/
cards.
Organ it does not matter with some, if you produce 10,000 of the world's top engineering
experts, there are always those who cannot bear the thought that something untoward
happened, because it would lift the lid on so many other things..
I am not saying I do believe in everything governments tell me. But I at the same time dont
believe random theories that were first thought up by some weirdo with an anti Bush agenda.

uptheklart wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:37He is trying to find one give him some time,
WWW.IMAGULLIBLECOCK.COM
You were 12 years of age at the time go on enlighten us..
We're all waiting.

Posted by Dai Hard on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:49:15 GMT
Thanks for that link. The majority are blind to the lessons of history. Indolence is the strongest
weapon out there. :thumbup:

Posted by Vaio on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:51:03 GMT
Hicks wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:43The funniest article I've read on 9/11 conspiracy
theories, it's long but very very good:
Well said that man!Â
Can't believe he is able to spread this type of rubbish and other bias Israel/anti Jewish bull.
This used to be a football site for all things Cardiff City.
If you want to talk bullsh1t political theories then either set up an O/T board or find another site.
I'm fed up of the top of the board being spammed with political bullshit by this egomaniac.

Posted by nathansfmachine on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:51:15 GMT
I agree Splott David should be banned from this site. :thumbup:

Posted by lardy on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:51:21 GMT
talking about.
There's the bits of plane scattered in the grounds and the cctv footage of the plane hitting the
building (only a couple of frames as it was moving quite quick). So apart from the visual and
physical evidence, there's none at all.

15:37He is trying to find one give him some time, WWW.IMAGULLIBLECOCK.COM
We're all waiting.
I was 13 actually, but what does age matter? Trying to hide your inability to think for yourself
on the subject and the only education on it you have being from crazies. What do you even
mean by bringing up my age? We both saw the same things that day and thought the same
things. Like **** you thought it was a conspiracy, you just believe what any other brain dead
moron tells you to. **** off.

Posted by Mickey Mouses Club House on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:52:03 GMT
A Swansea City shirt was found amongst the rubble...... :sherlock:

Posted by binman on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:52:04 GMT
I thought it was a bunch of p1ssed off Muslims who hijacked some planes and thought they
would crash them into American buildings as it was their gods will.
If it is a conspiracy can the conspiracy theorists also please explain how the hell we lost the
play off final to a bunch of chancers; I still dont get the whole 'because Bothroyd got injured'
theory, its too convenient.

Posted by bondog on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:53:19 GMT
talking about.
Have you got any evidence one didn't?

bondog wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:53NN2Blue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
Have you got any evidence one didn't?
He does, concrete evidence. He read it on consiracytheorysexswap.org

15:44Organ Morgan wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:38This site has much credibility.
cards.
Which government?
You posted the link.
So I think it's fair to suggest you think it's an inside job. I don't, you've yet to send me a credible
source for the information, despite replying to my posts a number of times.
An independent website without a theory agenda to try and prove.

rjk wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:13If the military were going to blow up a building for
whatever reason and then frame some terrorists, do you not think that they would probably not
use a material that was only available to the military to do it?
not if there were no alternative available. Besides most of the public have been taught that
critical analysis is not good for them.

Someone defeating you in debate Hicks doesn't make them a 'racist'.
Name calling without a shred of proof, facts, or evidence, is pretty desperate even by your
standards..

Posted by all32 on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:57:20 GMT
talking about.
I think there's a fair amount of evidence here....and witnesses.
Parts of the engine , landing gear were dumped on site soon after explosion?
Building 7 is the biggest question but I doubt anything will come to light in the near future "if"
something dodgy occured.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1
Dai Hard wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:55rjk wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:13If the
military were going to blow up a building for whatever reason and then frame some terrorists,
do you not think that they would probably not use a material that was only available to the
military to do it?
I love lines like this, as if to say if you don't believe it you are dumb. It allows people who do
believe stuff like this to act superior, when in reality they are basing most of their opinions on
hearsay and gossip on the internet.

15:46TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:44Organ Morgan wrote on Mon, 11 October
cards.
Which government?
Never judge a book by its cover..
Read the contents, look at the evidence, (which has all been carefully compiled over a number
of years) and then make an assessment.

TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:58Dai Hard wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
15:55rjk wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:13If the military were going to blow up a building
for whatever reason and then frame some terrorists, do you not think that they would probably
not use a material that was only available to the military to do it?
Did you actually read the evidence???

2010 15:44Organ Morgan wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:38This site has much credibility.
cards.
Which government?
A website with teh address "just-another-inside-job" is almost certainly not going to come out
afterwards and say, actually we are wrong, it's bollox. It was infact a few planes flying into
buildings that caused the collapse.

15:48uptheklart wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:37He is trying to find one give him some
time, WWW.IMAGULLIBLECOCK.COM
We're all waiting.
I was 13 actually, but what does age matter? Trying to hide your inability to think for yourself
on the subject and the only education on it you have being from crazies. What do you even
mean by bringing up my age? We both saw the same things that day and thought the same
things. Like **** you thought it was a conspiracy, you just believe what any other brain dead
moron tells you to. **** off.
So far all you have demonstrated to the rest of us is an inability to engage in a debate..
Combined with a rather immature attitude..
Do you actually have anything to contribute..?

lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:51
The deceit of the masses is truely incredible. Do you have a link to CCTV footage of the
passenger aircraft hitting the Pentagon?
Of course not. Indolence is the opiate of the masses not religion.
For such a supposedly secure site as the Pentagon there's an incredible scarcity of proof.

2010 15:46TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:44Organ Morgan wrote on Mon, 11
October 2010 15:38This site has much credibility. http://www.ae911truth.org/
cards.
Which government?
There are hundreds of websites worldwide in many different languages devoted to the
questions raised from this event.
Either you believe every single word of the official story or you don't.
Those that do believe usually don't bother engaging in debate on the subject. As they have
nothing to point to and can only regurgitate.

15:58Dai Hard wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:55rjk wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
15:13If the military were going to blow up a building for whatever reason and then frame some
What evidence, I've asked you about three times now to send me a credible source, you are
yet to. I can't read what I don't have.
cards.
Which government?
Pentagon was not a plane..?
The flight which crashed into a field crashed into an existing hole which was already there.
What were the chances of that happening from 35,000 feet..?

2010 15:55Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:46TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11
October 2010 15:44[quote
title=Organ Morgan wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:38]This site has much credibility.
cards.[/quote]
Which government?
There are hundreds of websites worldwide in many different languages devoted to the
questions raised from this event.
Either you believe every single word of the official story or you don't.
Those that do believe usually don't bother engaging in debate on the subject. As they have
nothing to point to and can only regurgitate.
I believe 2 planes crashed into the two towers. I believe the impact was devastating. I believe
the impact could've caused problems that people wouldn't expect. I believe it's almost
impossible to know what would happen in the situation. I believe I saw two towers collapse.
Did the steel actually melt? Could it not have been the fact that it buckled thus causing the
whole building to collapse?

That is brilliant, really doesn't look that plausible written :hehe: like that does it.

Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:57Hicks wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
15:43The funniest article I've read on 9/11 conspiracy theories, it's long but very very good:
Someone defeating you in debate Hicks doesn't make them a 'racist'.
Name calling without a shred of proof, facts, or evidence, is pretty desperate even by your
standards..Defeated me in a debate ? You've not defeated anyone in anything, you've just
posted a load of Internet links written by anonymous college students spouting nonsense,
Oxford Union it is not.
Right let me have a go. I think that the reverse vampires were responsible for 9/11, based on
the fact several people of vampire origin were in the United States during 2001 including
Edward from Twilight and Angel from Buffy. Anyone who doesn't believe this conspiracy theory
is clearly under the government's spell and too stupid to see the truth. This is now FACT as
you read it on the Internet, Splott David consider yourself defeated.
I think my link earlier is a rather good summary of why any 9/11 conspiracy is unneeded and
ridiculous. I don't really have anything to add. I take heart from the fact that people like Splott
David will never be any position to influence opinion or make any policy, the closest he'll ever
get to it is the Cardiff City message board. Have fun today writing reams of words no one will
ever read / care about. Honestly take a good look at yourself in the mirror, then look at the sun
out of the window, go outside, you really would enjoy life much more, you really are changing
nothing by posting online :ayatollah:

The people who are indolent and take the party line not having the volition to question it are
indeed stupid.

Posted by LM-Coleman on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 15:13:49 GMT
If you disagree with something, whats the point in arguing the case. Surely no reply sends a
stronger message than arguing over something, where neither party are going to agree.

Dai Hard wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:07lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:51

Google CCTV pentagon plane, you'll find it very easily.

Dai Hard wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:12TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
15:58Dai Hard wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:55rjk wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
The people who are indolent and take the party line not having the volition to question it are
indeed stupid.
And again.
TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:12
I believe 2 planes crashed into the two towers. I believe the impact was devastating. I believe
the impact could've caused problems that people wouldn't expect. I believe it's almost
impossible to know what would happen in the situation. I believe I saw two towers collapse.
Did the steel actually melt? Could it not have been the fact that it buckled thus causing the
whole building to collapse?
Don't bother with the reasoned debate, TrueBlue. Splott David claims to have been
researching this for over 6 years, and yet thought the towers collapsed from the bottom.
:homer:

lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:15Dai Hard wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
16:07lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:51

I'm surprise they didn't do a cartoon of the alledged incident. Most would have taken it as an
accurate account of what happened. Had they had Scooby Doo and his mates discover the
real story it would have passed as undeniable truth.
How much longer until someone in this thread says Tony Blair ordered the attacks on London?
This thread is a disgrace to all those who died in the 9/11 attacks and makes Cardiff City fans
look retarded.
MR MORRIS PLEASE PUT AN END TO THE USE OF THIS FOOTBALL MESSAGE BOARD
AS A POLITICAL SOAPBOX.

Vaio wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:18How much longer until someone in this thread says
Tony Blair ordered the attacks on London?
look retarded.
The two incidents have very little in common.

Dai Hard wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:18lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:15Dai
Hard wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:07lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:51

The funny part is that on the other side of the spectrum you will have people believe things
they've read on the internet, despite not having a clue who wrote it. For Â£6 you can buy a
domain name for 2 years, for about Â£10 you can get cheap hosting for a year. Â£16 and
spend some time typing up some stuff and however bizarre it appears some people will believe
it.

Posted by Taffia v2 on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 15:22:01 GMT
look retarded.
I agree with this post 100%. Mr Morris can you please sort this out!!!
Dai Hard wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:18lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:15Dai

Maybe they would, I don't really care what 'the indolent masses' think. But we've got video
evidence so you can put your crayons away.

16:18lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:15Dai Hard wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
it.
But if you say you believe it then it makes you look clevererer than everyone else, and you're
like deep at thinking and stuff.

Posted by essexlad on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 15:24:20 GMT
It could never happen over here.Our government would cut the budget for the attack now as
we skint.

look retarded.
Vaio my boy...
Where would you like to start...
How about here..
Vaio wrote on Sun, 10 October 2010 19:09Tony Blair & New Labour :thumbup: :hehe:

Posted by yemeniblue on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 15:28:20 GMT
lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:51the cctv footage of the plane hitting the building
(only a couple of frames as it was moving quite quick). So apart from the visual and physical
evidence, there's none at all.
Always wondered why the most politically crucial, most sensitive, most secure building on
earth was using a mobile phone camera as their only security camera...

yemeniblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:28lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
15:51the cctv footage of the plane hitting the building (only a couple of frames as it was moving
quite quick). So apart from the visual and physical evidence, there's none at all.
Always wondered why the most politically crucial, most sensitive, most secure building on
earth was using a mobile phone camera as their only security camera...
I'm sure there's a lot of good conspiracy theories out there about that, but I'll be honest...I don't
know.
look retarded.
Relax man - its the international break

lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:23TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:20Dai
Hard wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:18lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:15Dai

it.
But if you say you believe it then it makes you look clevererer than everyone else, and you're
like deep at thinking and stuff.
Exactly, everyone I know who believes this sort of thing always tries to use the same reverse
psychology line. If I simply say I believe I will go from being a dumb person to a bright one.
I do wonder who the government got to volunteer to fly these planes. I mean it's one thing
being a radical extremist, but a high level government agent, they aren't usually into suicide in
my experience.

rjk wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:12Hicks wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:43The
funniest article I've read on 9/11 conspiracy theories, it's long but very very good:
That is brilliant, really doesn't look that plausible written :hehe: like that does it.
Any of the people who think that there is something in all of this care to comment on this link?
I think it perfectly encapsulates the sheer ridiculousness of these theories.

The funny thing is for all the time you waste thinking about this nonsense you ignore the real
problems of the day. For example, at the moment Obama, in a continuation of Bush era
policies, believes the president of the Unites States has the right to assassinate AMERICAN
CITIZENS suspected of involvment with terrorism and does not have to explain why or what
the evidence is. Do you realise how scary that is ? The president believes (and is) he can just
kill his own people with no due process. This is real and going on right now in Somalia and
Pakistan yet there's no threads about it, no debates about limits of executive power. Instead
you're posting shit links from a college kid or Stormfront member saying israel demolished the
World Trade Centre. Nice one you muppet and you think we're the ones with the wool pulled
over our eyes.

Posted by Heathblue on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 15:34:08 GMT
Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:27Vaio wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
16:18How much longer until someone in this thread says Tony Blair ordered the attacks on
London?
look retarded.
Vaio my boy...
How about here..
OUCH!!!! :hehe:

Taffia v2 wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:22Vaio wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
London?
look retarded.
I agree with this post 100%. Mr Morris can you please sort this out!!!
Taffia v2 wrote on Wed, 18 August 2010 14:09
Do many of us live in Ireland?
[/quote]
Omagh is part of the United Kingdom..
Don't you think geography would be easier for you to master first of all, before moving onto
politics and current affairs..?

my experience.
Remote Controlled Drones? Working like a treat over Pakistan on a daily basis!
Heathblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:34Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
16:27Vaio wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:18How much longer until someone in this thread
says Tony Blair ordered the attacks on London?
look retarded.
Vaio my boy...
How about here..
OUCH!!!! :hehe:
Give me a tired professional anyday, over an enthusiastic amateur...
:hehe:

yemeniblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:35TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
16:31
my experience.
Remote Controlled Drones? Working like a treat over Pakistan on a daily basis!
These weren't small spy drones mate, they were huge great big passenger planes.

Hicks wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:33The funny thing is for all the time you waste
thinking about this nonsense you ignore the real problems of the day. For example, at the
moment Obama, in a continuation of Bush era policies, believes the president of the Unites
States has the right to assassinate AMERICAN CITIZENS suspected of involvment with
terrorism and does not have to explain why or what the evidence is. Do you realise how scary
that is ? The president believes (and is) he can just kill his own people with no due process.
This is real and going on right now in Somalia and Pakistan yet there's no threads about it, no
debates about limits of executive power. Instead you're posting shit links from a college kid or
Stormfront member saying israel demolished the World Trade Centre. Nice one you muppet
and you think we're the ones with the wool pulled over our eyes.
Exactly. Bush's dodgy election win is surely more worthy of investigation, and there'll be a lot
more dirt to be found there.

Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:36Heathblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
16:34Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:27Vaio wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
London?Â
look retarded.
Vaio my boy...
How about here..
Vaio wrote on Sun, 10 October 2010 19:09Tony Blair & New Labour Â :thumbup: Â :hehe:
OUCH!!!! Â :hehe:
Â :hehe:
The smart arse strikes again.Â
Have you ever contributed or created a football related thread? Honest question.
A quick look at your posting history would support the view that you only use this site as a
means to preach your political agenda to a large audience.
Are you even a Cardiff City supporter?

16:01TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:58Dai Hard wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
You didn't even read the information in the link!!!

2010 15:58Dai Hard wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:55rjk wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
Because it's from a biased non credible website, I'm wasting my time reading propaganda like
that. Send me an independent one and I'll give it the time of day.

These weren't small spy drones mate, they were huge great big passenger planes.
I'm not into conspiracies - but I dont just blindly think nutjobs advocate them because I am sure
Govts worldwide want you to think the likes of Splott David are lone crusaders/loonies!!!
But there is a huge discrepency with the alleged plane that hit the Pentagon - the main one
being the plane was supposed to have entered this entrance which was about 18 ft high but
the plane at its highest point was supposed to be about over 40 ft high - yet there was no
damage to the top of the entrance. Did the tail section just fold in conveiently to get in etc etc
Just small things like that

Vaio wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:40Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
16:36Heathblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:34Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October
2010 16:27Vaio wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:18How much longer until someone in this
thread says Tony Blair ordered the attacks on London?Â
look retarded.
Vaio my boy...
How about here..
OUCH!!!! Â :hehe:
Â :hehe:
Probably before the best part of you was running down your mummy's legs son..
Do you actually read this board or does someone do that for you..
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.php?t=msg&th=238920
&goto=2159297&rid=3187&S=621802e2a8a1de0c77952e1 222480484#msg_2159297

2010 16:01TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:58Dai Hard wrote on Mon, 11 October
2010 15:55rjk wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:13If the military were going to blow up a
building for whatever reason and then frame some terrorists, do you not think that they would
probably not use a material that was only available to the military to do it?
I see, Let me get this straight, you are going to decide on what is a credible account or not,
based on not reading...
:sherlock:

October 2010 15:58Dai Hard wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:55rjk wrote on Mon, 11
October 2010 15:13If the military were going to blow up a building for whatever reason and
then frame some terrorists, do you not think that they would probably not use a material that
was only available to the military to do it?
I see, Let me get this straight, you are going to decide on what is a credible account or not,
based on not reading...
:sherlock:
This isn't too difficult for a bright bloke such as yourself, but a website called
just-another-inside-job isn't going to give you an unbiased account. Surely this isn't hard to
see.
It'd be like going to the BNP's website to see what good ethnics bring to this country.

Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:45Vaio wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
16:40Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:36Heathblue wrote on Mon, 11 October
2010 16:34Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:27Vaio wrote on Mon, 11 October
2010 16:18How much longer until someone in this thread says Tony Blair ordered the attacks
on London?Â
look retarded.
Vaio my boy...
How about here..
OUCH!!!! Â :hehe:
Â :hehe:
Great! An insult regarding my 'age' when you have no idea how old I am. For clarity, I'm 26, a
married family man with a job in local government.
So now that's out the way, can you please show me a thread that you have created or
contributed to about Cardiff City?Â
Perhaps a match review that you've written?
A blog about the clubs financial issues?
A post about one of Hudsons many errors?
I just thought that, with this being a Cardiff City messageboard, you might write about the club?

Posted by calonlan on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 15:54:39 GMT
Just have a look at some of the books advertised on the left hand side of the website that
Splott David has given as a link:
Jew Dominance in Filth

Jews and Cannibalism
Jewish Child Sacrifice etc. etc.
Nice to know we're reading a completely objective source.

Is this non-credible as well.? It's OK don't bother reading it we don't do that anymore..
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm

I do have a serious question about the Pentagon for the theorists, and I guess I'm asking Splott
David more than Dai Hard (as he does make more effort with his responses)...
Given that the terrorists wanted to attack the Pentagon, given that they had access to a
hijacked plane, and given that they clearly had no qualms about flying planes into buildings
that day, why would they choose to attack the Pentagon with something else? Surely the most
obvious thing to use, the easiest thing and the one they'd have the most accuracy with, is that
plane. What would be the logic for them? Serious question.

It's one blokes website. Here he is, http://freedomfiles.org/Me-Small.jpg does he look credible
to you?
I'm happy to read information you post as long as it's neutral, as I say you wouldn't go to the
BNP website to look for neutral race inforamtion so why would I go on a conspiract theory
website to look for neutral information.
The only decent link posted in this thread so far is this one.
You've been asked to comment on it but haven't so far. (It appears you are right, you don't
read anymore).

October 2010 16:01TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:58Dai Hard wrote on Mon, 11
October 2010 15:55rjk wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:13If the military were going to blow
up a building for whatever reason and then frame some terrorists, do you not think that they
would probably not use a material that was only available to the military to do it?
It's one blokes website. Here he is, http://freedomfiles.org/Me-Small.jpg does he look credible
to you?
I'm happy to read information you post as long as it's neutral, as I say you wouldn't go to the
BNP website to look for neutral race inforamtion so why would I go on a conspiract theory
website to look for neutral information.
The only decent link posted in this thread so far is this one.
You've been asked to comment on it but haven't so far. (It appears you are right, you don't
read anymore).
That's ridiculous it's like saying Rupert Murdoch cannot be believed, because it is only one
mans media outlets..
Mind you...
Flight 93 crashed into a hole that was already there this video shows it.
Do you mind telling us how that was possible..?
http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=11648

15:38This site has much credibility. http://www.ae911truth.org/
cards.
I daresay those individuals are highly qualified and wouldn't invite ridicule by sticking their
heads above the proverbial parapet unless they were positive.
But leaving aside them, the only structures that ever drop like a sack of spuds as those did are
ones that Fred Dibnah (remember him?) and others like him are contracted to demolish with
explosives.
Something else, Al-Qaeda doesn't nor has it ever existed. It was created by the CIA.

Organ Morgan wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 17:28TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
15:44Organ Morgan wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:38This site has much credibility.
cards.
explosives.
And the engineers who are positive it on the other way round, what about them?
Can you show me any real research done prior to this on 100+ floor buildings having
passenger planes flown into them?

lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 17:04I do have a serious question about the Pentagon
for the theorists, and I guess I'm asking Splott David more than Dai Hard (as he does make
more effort with his responses)...
How abut senior members of the 9/11 Commission now denouncing their own report..?
http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/hr-headline
s-9-11-commission-rejects-its-official-report-almost-entirel y-untrue
cards.
explosives.
What kind of research builds a 100 story structure to fly passenger planes into it..?
Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 17:41lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
17:04I do have a serious question about the Pentagon for the theorists, and I guess I'm asking
Splott David more than Dai Hard (as he does make more effort with his responses)...
That doesn't address the question at all. The question is 'if they had access to a plane, why
wouldn't they use it?'.

17:40Organ Morgan wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 17:28TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October
2010 15:44Organ Morgan wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:38This site has much credibility.
cards.
explosives.
No one obviously. So basically we don't know what the reuslts would be. So all these
engineers saying that it wouldn't fall like that really don't know, as it's never happened before or
after.

cards.
explosives.
As already stated, nothing hit Building 7 at all. The official enquiry into that day conveniently
forgot about it as nonsense about jet fuel couldn't be given as evidence.
By the way, Al-Qaeda is such an obvious hoax that even Auntie had to admit it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMy2zpWDTDM

Vaio wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:52Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
16:45Vaio wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:40Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
16:36Heathblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:34Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October
2010 16:27Vaio wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:18How much longer until someone in this
thread says Tony Blair ordered the attacks on London?Â
look retarded.
Vaio my boy...
How about here..
OUCH!!!! Â :hehe:
Â :hehe:
Great! An insult regarding my 'age' when you have no idea how old I am. For clarity, I'm 26, a
married family man with a job in local government.
So now that's out the way, can you please show me a thread that you have created or
contributed to about Cardiff City?Â
Perhaps a match review that you've written?
A blog about the clubs financial issues?

A post about one of Hudsons many errors?
I just thought that, with this being a Cardiff City messageboard, you might write about the club?
You're obviously not old enough to remember the message board wars on here about the
clubs finances. They ran to thousands of posts over months and months..
We only started doing Israel to get back to some normality and peace and quiet on here..
I got underpants older than 26 son..
:hehe:

cards.
explosives.
No one obviously. So basically we don't know what the reuslts would be. So all these
engineers saying that it wouldn't fall like that really don't know, as it's never happened before or
after.
Christopher Bollyn has worked with Professor Jones and written as much as anyone on the
subject of 9/11. His book is available to read free online..
http://www.bollyn.com/solving-9-11-the-book

look retarded.
How many more idiots are going to jump up and end up looking like ****s on here.
This one hasn't stopped moaning since he started..
Vaio wrote on Mon, 02 August 2010 13:02If you enjoy threads about Xbox, Playstation,
random celebrities, Liverpool FC, or just pages and pages of smiles then this is the forum for
you.
If however you want a Cardiff City Forum where everything Cardiff City is discussed with many
users sharing opposing views openly, then you will need a time machine and set it for 2003
when this board was at it's best.
VAIO GET OFF YOUR ARSE AND DO SOME POSTING IT'S NOT A FECKING LIBRARY
YOU KNOW....

Posted by goslow on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 17:34:31 GMT
witness accounts of flight 93
let's dive in and see what the eyewitnesses have to say. Rather than list repeatedly the same
reference data, each separate article I quote from has a reference number which you can find
at the end of this article.
Eyewitnesses
A few miles north of Lambertsville, yard man Terry Butler, 40, was toiling away at Stoystown
Auto Wreckers.
He thought it was odd that a plane was in the area. He'd heard that all air traffic nationwide had
been halted after the World Trade Center disaster about an hour earlier.
"It dropped out of the clouds," too low for a commercial flight, Butler said. The plane rose
slightly, trying to gain altitude, then "it just went flip to the right and then straight down."
He radioed back to his office, telling coworkers Homer Barron, 49, and Jeff Phillips, 30, what
he had seen.
"I told them a plane crashed. At first they didn't believe it, because you know, we do joke
around." Then Barron saw smoke and called 911.
... Barron and Phillips drove to the crash scene and found a smoky hole in the ground. A few
firefighters had already begun pouring water onto the debris.
"It didn't look like a plane crash because there was nothing that looked like a plane," Barron
said.
"There was one part of a seat burning up there," Phillips said. "That was something you could
recognize."
"I never seen anything like it," Barron said. "Just like a big pile of charcoal."
Lee Purbaugh, 32, working just his second day at Rollock Inc., a scrap yard next to the
reclaimed strip-mine land, looked up from operating a burning torch to see the jetliner just 40
feet above him. "I couldn't believe this," Purbaugh said.
"I heard it for 10 or 15 seconds and it sounded like it was going full bore," said Tim Lensbouer,
35, Purbaugh's coworker.
The ground shook and the air thundered as the jetliner slammed into the ground about 300
yards away, Purbaugh said.
A mushroom of flame rose 200 feet and disappeared. Then there was a curtain of black smoke
and finally a trail of fire as pieces of the fuselage shot hundreds of yards into the woods.
"My instinct was to run toward it, to try to help" said Nina Lensbouer, Tim's Lensbouer's wife
and a former volunteer firefighter. "But I got there and there was nothing, nothing there but
charcoal. Instantly, it was charcoal."
...
Charles Sturtz, 53, who lives just over the hillside from the crash site, said a fireball 200 feet
high shot up over the hill. He got to the crash scene even before the firefighters.
"The biggest pieces you could find were probably four feet [long]. Most of the pieces you could
put into a shopping bag, and there were clothes hanging from the trees."
Ten miles away, at a warehouse near Berlin, employee Don Miller and co-workers felt their
building shake. (7)
------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------
"It came in low over the trees and started wobbling," said Tim Thornsberg, a resident of
Somerset County, who was working near an old strip mine when he saw the plane.
"Then it just rolled over and was flying upside down for a few seconds ... and then it kind of
stalled and did a nose dive over the trees. It was just unreal to see something like that."
...
Charles Sturtz, who lives about a half-mile from the crash site, said he saw the plane in the air
for a few seconds, and saw no smoke, heard no explosions before the crash and saw no other
planes in the sky.
The plane was heading southeast he said, and had its engines running. "It was really roaring,
you know. Like it was trying to go someplace, I guess, " the 53-year-old carpenter said. (6)
------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------
One eyewitness to the Pennsylvania crash, Linda Shepley, told television station KDKA in
Pittsburgh that she heard a loud bang and saw the plane bank to the side before crashing. ...
(3)
------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------
Kelly Leverknight was watching news of the attacks on New York and Washington when she
heard the plane.
It sounded like it was flying low above her home in rural Pennsylvania, moving from west to
east. It was an odd enough sound that she stepped outside to have a look.
"I heard the plane going over and I went out the front door and I saw the plane going down,"
said Leverknight, 36. "It was headed toward the school, which panicked me, because all three
of my kids were there.
"Then you heard the explosion and felt the blast and saw the fire and smoke." Leverknight and
dozens of her neighbors raced to the Shanksville-Stonycreek School where they found their
children safe.
...
Witnesses said they thought the wings of the Boeing 757 were wagging from side to side as it
plunged toward the earth. ...
"When it decided to drop, it dropped all of a sudden, like a stone," said Tom Fritz, 63. Fritz was
sitting on his porch on Lambertsville Road, about a quarter mile from the crash site, when he
heard a sound that "wasn't quite right" and looked up in the sky.
"It was sort of whistling," he said. "It was going so fast that you couldn't even make out what
color it was."
...
Terry Butler works at Stoystown Auto Wreckers, which is in the flight path of the doomed
plane. Butler was pulling a radiator from a 1992 Dodge Caravan when he heard the plane's
engines.
He was listening to the news and was surprised because he had heard that all flights
nationwide were grounded, and he didn't think there were supposed to be any planes in the air
at the time. He looked up and behind him saw the plane come out of the clouds, low to the
ground.
"It was moving like you wouldn't believe. Next thing I knew it makes a heck of a sharp,
right-hand turn." He said the plane banked to the right and appeared to be trying to climb to
clear one of the ridges, but it continued to turn to the right and then veered behind a ridge, "like
somebody grabbed the wheel."
He said the plane disappeared behind a tree line on a ridge. "I knew it was going to crash,"
Butler said. About a second after it disappeared, he heard the boom and saw the smoke rise
above the trees. "It was eerie." (8)
------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------
"It shook the whole station," said Bruce Grine, owner of an auto service center in Shanksville,
about 3 miles from the crash site. "Everybody ran outside, and by that time the fire whistle was
blowing." (3)
------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------
Eric Peterson of Lambertsville looked up when he heard the plane. "It was low enough, I
thought you could probably count the rivets," Peterson said. "You could see more of the roof of
the plane than you could the belly. It was on its side."
"There was a great explosion and you could see the flames. It was a massive, massive
explosion. Flames and then smoke and then a massive, massive mushroom cloud."
Peterson called 9-1-1 and ran to the crash site but found only burning jet parts, pieces of
clothing, and seat cushions.
....
Rose Goodwin, a freshman at Shanksville Stony Creek High School, was watching the
television news in class when Flight 93 went down.
"We felt it. We thought something must have landed on the roof," she said. "It was like, Oh my
gosh, what was that?' We looked out the window and saw a black cloud. Everyone started
screaming."
Viola Saylor of Lambertsville was outside talking to her sister.
"We didn't hear that plane coming until it was right on top of us," she said. "Then there was a
roar."
She said the plane appeared to be gliding into the ground.
"All at once it just stopped. There was no engine noise, nothing. Someone hollered, Oh my
God!' and then there was a real loud thud." (11)
------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------
Michael R. Merringer was out on a mountain bike ride with his wife, Amy, about two miles away
from the crash site.
"I heard the engine gun two different times and then I heard a loud bang and the windows of
the houses all around rattled," Merringer said. "I looked up and I saw the smoke coming up."
The couple rushed home and drove near the scene. "Everything was on fire and there was
trees knocked down and there was a big hole in the ground," he said. ... (10)
------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------
For Lee Purbaugh, 31, of Listie, the thought of seeing a plane crash right before his eyes still
seemed unbelievable to him when interviewed a half-hour later.
"I never in my life thought I would see a plane crash right before my very eyes," said Purbaugh,
who was at the wreckage within minutes after the crash.
Purbaugh's second day on the job at Rollock Inc., a scrap metal company which owns the
Diamond T mine, a former PBS Coals dig directly above the crash site, came with a shocking
surprise. The crash happened within 200 yards of Purbaugh's view.
"I happened to hear this noise and looked up," said Purbaugh, who indicated the plane was
about 40 to 50 feet above him. "I didn't know if I should duck or what because this plane was
so low but then in a split second it hit."
Purbaugh describes the crash as "just like a big mushroom cloud." He says when it hit, it
"shook the ground, rolled over in some way and then collapsed." ... (12)
------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------
A witness said he heard two loud bangs before watching the plane take a downward turn of
nearly 90 degrees. ... Many witnesses said that their homes were shaking violently as the
plane flew low overhead. A witness told WTAE-TV's Paul Van Osdol that she saw the plane
overhead. It made a high-pitched, screeching sound. The plane then made a sharp, 90-degree
downward turn and crashed. (9)
------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------
The plane seemed to be fully, or largely, intact. "I didn't see no smoke, nothing," said Nevin
Lambert, an elderly farmer who witnessed the crash from his side yard less than a half-mile
away.
Lambert also said he also later found a couple of pieces of debris, one a piece of metal, less
than 12 inches across, with some insulation attached. ... (15)
------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------
Then a call came in from one of Madigan's troopers: He had just heard an explosion so violent
it shook his home. Soon phones at the barracks were ringing off the hook. Madigan and other
troopers rushed to the scene, ...
Rick King, 42, of Shanksville, was behind the wheel of the first fire truck to arrive at the crash
scene, ...
The former assistant chief of the Shanksville volunteer fire department had heard Flight 93
scream overhead, seen a massive fireball light up the sky and felt an explosion rock the entire
town of Shanksville. ...
But besides a burning landing-gear tire, smoldering branches in the nearby woods and a few
brush fires, there was little to indicate a jetliner had just crashed, he says. "Where is this
plane? And where are the people?" he remembers thinking as he stepped off the truck. (16)
------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------
Minutes later, the plane crashed in rural Somerset County, about 20 miles away.
"It was like an atomic bomb hit," said John Walsh, 72, who heard the crash and drove to the
site while still in his bathrobe. "When I got there, the plane was obliterated. You couldn't see
the cockpit or the wings or nothing." (20)
------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------
Witnesses said they thought the wings of the Boeing 757 were wagging from side to side as it
plunged toward the earth. (19)
------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------
Larry Williams, a former state police trooper who is now a private investigator, was golfing on
the 17th green at Oakbrook Golf Course about eight miles away when he heard the engines
"roar real loud and shut off." ...
Blair, of Stoystown, a driver with Jim Barron Trucking of Somerset, was traveling in a coal truck
along with Doug Miller of Somerset, when they saw the plane spiraling to the ground and then
explode on the outskirts of Lambertsville.
"I saw the plane flying upside down overhead and crash into the nearby trees. My buddy,
Doug, and I grabbed our fire extinguishers and ran to the scene," said Blair.
"I saw the mushroom cloud and we called 911 right away," added Blair. "I knew with that crash
that it wasn't likely there were survivors, but we had to go anyways. The plane was coming in
on a slant and really hit the treeline at an angle."
"[Lucy] Menear, who lives across from the Lambertsville Road at the intersection where a
graveled road leads to the crash site near the strip mine, said, "I felt the ground shake with the
impact. I didn't know the plane had crashed. It was just a big jolt."
Laura Temyer of Hooversville ...."I didn't see the plane but I heard the plane's engine. Then I
heard a loud thump that echoed off the hills and then I heard the plane's engine. I heard two
more loud thumps and didn't hear the plane's engine anymore after that."....
Kim Custer, 15, a tenth grader at Shanksville Stonycreek High School, said she was on the
second floor of the school, located only a few miles from the crash site, when the plane went
down.
"I looked up and saw the ceiling tiles jump up and down, then I felt the whole building shake,"
she said. "Then we heard a big boom, .... (14)
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Posted by Llanedeyrnblue on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 17:42:57 GMT
Dai Hard wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:55rjk wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:13If the
military were going to blow up a building for whatever reason and then frame some terrorists,
do you not think that they would probably not use a material that was only available to the
military to do it?
Plus the US millitary have a long record of cock-ups the latest being the scottish aid worker in
Afganistan,it now appears that she was killed by an American granade

Posted by CPD Abernant ac Caerffili on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 18:31:50 GMT
From a site that also claims The Holocaust was a myth! I knew people in 7 WTC who
thankfully all got out. They certainly saw real aeroplanes hitting both buildings. And if it was a
demolition job, don't you think that some of the tens of thousands of people who worked there
would have seen some sort of preparation leading up to 9/11? Get real!!

Llanedeyrnblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 18:42Dai Hard wrote on Mon, 11 October
This is the video of the crash site in Pennsylvania. Look how a previous picture of the site has
been taken before 9/11, and the plane has supposedly crashed int that self same spot..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUzrHHDu96U
If someone can explain to me how a passenger plane can fall and crash, exactly into the profile
of a hole that is already there I would appreciate it..

Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 19:33Llanedeyrnblue wrote on Mon, 11 October
2010 18:42Dai Hard wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:55rjk wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
Are you suggesting that some sort of agency able to conspire to make the biggest conspiracy
ever, killing thousands of people in front of the whole world, managing to cover their tracks
from one of the hundreds of people who would need to be involved would've forgotten about
crashing a plane there?
A more likely explanation is that that video isn't factual and easily created by one of the millions
of Photoshop users around the world.

lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 17:45Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
17:41lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 17:04I do have a serious question about the
Pentagon for the theorists, and I guess I'm asking Splott David more than Dai Hard (as he
does make more effort with his responses)...
I guess I'm not going to get an answer. 'I don't know' is acceptable, don't be afraid to say that!
This is the problem with these theories, they get so bogged down in details like microscopic
particles being spotted that the big picture (where did the plane full of passengers and tracking
equipment that 'didn't' hit the Pentagon go?) gets forgotten.
Not using the plane to hit the Pentagon would be like me ignoring my drawer full of spoons and
using my sock to eat my cornflakes.

lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 19:42lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 17:45Splott
David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 17:41lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 17:04I do
have a serious question about the Pentagon for the theorists, and I guess I'm asking Splott
David more than Dai Hard (as he does make more effort with his responses)...
The 'whys' 'whos' 'hows' are all unknowns, but the critical and crucial evidence is the
nano-thermite which has not been refuted.
No one has ever come forward and said that the claims surrounding nano-thermite are false or
inaccurate.
Now a legitimate non-conspiracy question would be, just how did that get into the twin
towers..?

19:33Llanedeyrnblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 18:42Dai Hard wrote on Mon, 11
October 2010 15:55rjk wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:13If the military were going to blow
up a building for whatever reason and then frame some terrorists, do you not think that they
would probably not use a material that was only available to the military to do it?
My personal belief is that it originally started off as a terrorist operation which somehow was
infiltrated or discovered.
Like many many others we have had. However this one went wrong bigtime. Somewhere
along the line the intelligence agencies lost track of what was going on, and when it was going
on..
The rest is history..
The video by the way is real and body parts were discovered several hundred yards away in
the surrounding woods.
The plane did not crash intact which suggests that it was shot down..

Posted by secureblue on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 18:57:15 GMT

it.
Or you could save Â£16 and just spout bollox on a football messageboard

secureblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 19:57TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
16:20Dai Hard wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:18lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
16:15Dai Hard wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:07lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
15:51

it.
None of your posts have enriched this board. You are totally unable to engage in a discussion
or debate on any subject whatsoever.
The more you post, the more it reveals your poor grasp of simple communication skills...
Have you thought about that..
Lacking simple social skills, being thick or ignorant is not a badge of honour you know..

19:42lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 17:45Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
inaccurate.
towers..?
'Who invented the skip?'

'Why didn't they just fly the plane into the Pentagon?'
Posted by Placid Casual on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:02:59 GMT
This stuff on this message board is becoming incredibly banal. I know at least three people
who haven't logged on to this messageboard in months because it's full of this borderline racist
horse shit. Were the Isreali's to blame for Preece's offside goal in the Luton game years ago?
Was that a skullcap on the lino's head?
For the guy who doesn't believe Al Qaeda 'exists' try reading the Jason Burke book (he's the
Asian correspondant for The Guardian amongst others, is a world renowned expert on Islamic
Fundementalists etc. Sorry, he's in print not online, like with an Editor and hard facts and all).
It's helpfully called 'Al Qaeda' and I think I got my copy in Asda's of all placed. 'Al Qaeda' was a
lazy term coined by Western intelligence for the myriad groups with differing levels and types
of Wahabi Islamic belief engaged in violence. Which is probably more unsettling than just one
organisation. Like having 10-15 types of Irish Nationalists rather than just the Provisional IRA.
For Splott David - please take your boring brand of racist theorising to a messageboard where
like minded souls will engage you in suitable conversation. I often wonder if you'll ever get
round to holocaust denial or something equally as ridiculous. I don't think that too many people
have ever requested you spend hours indoctrinating this messageboard to your brand of
the'truth'. I asked you ages ago to provide a clear indication of your viewpoint (yours, not more
links to websites etc) and to back specific theories up with supporting evidence. Just as I had
to do when I studied politics in university. But all you do is answer questions with questions,
talk in riddles and patronise anyone with a differing viewpoint to your own. You really don't see
how silly it makes you look, although I grant you it is highly irritating.
I'm past caring what happened on 9/11 after the numerous posts on here about it. For all I care
the queen and Christopher Biggins could have been controlling those planes via satellite from
mars on acid and spacecake. It's probably as feasible as half the theories spouted on here.
You have merely made what was once a subject of relative if passing interest exceptionally
tiresome.
Opinions like yours detract from the real issue which is the attitude towards and conflict
between Western and Islamic value's. That would be a far better nut to crack as far as I can
see.

19:41Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 19:33Llanedeyrnblue wrote on Mon, 11
My personal belief is that it originally started off as a terrorist operation which somehow was
infiltrated or discovered.
Like many many others we have had. However this one went wrong bigtime. Somewhere
along the line the intelligence agencies lost track of what was going on, and when it was going
on..
The rest is history..
The video by the way is real and body parts were discovered several hundred yards away in
the surrounding woods.
The plane did not crash intact which suggests that it was shot down..
Here you go, an explanation for you. I doubt you'll believe it as you don't want to, but makes
perfect sense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgjWU6jXrdc

Posted by clydachmarket on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:04:23 GMT
talking about.
in fact there was NO debris from an aircraft found in the rubble or surrounding area of the
pentagon FACT

19:50lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 19:42lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
17:45Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 17:41lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
inaccurate.
towers..?

Do you know who was killed in that part of the Pentagon and what they were working on..?
Posted by watersblue on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:10:24 GMT
Why not read some books about the 'truth' behind 9/11? There is a stack of evidence to
suggest that we haven't been told the truth. Why not read them and then you will be in a better
position to make judgements? I feel that a lot prefer to bury their head in the sand,
unfortunately.

Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:00secureblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
19:57TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:20Dai Hard wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010

it.
I've said before I think you are mentally ill,what possible satisfaction would I get from engaging
in debate with someone who is clearly a raving loony.

watersblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:10Why not read some books about the 'truth'
behind 9/11? There is a stack of evidence to suggest that we haven't been told the truth. Why
not read them and then you will be in a better position to make judgements? I feel that a lot
prefer to bury their head in the sand, unfortunately.
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/5029923-pentagon-a
ccountants-killed-in-911-attacks-day-after-rumsfeld-announce s-23-trillion-missing

watersblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:10Why not read some books about the 'truth'
behind 9/11? There is a stack of evidence to suggest that we haven't been told the truth. Why
not read them and then you will be in a better position to make judgements? I feel that a lot
prefer to bury their head in the sand, unfortunately.
For every book about the 'truth' (as you call it) there are ones debunking those theories. Being
in print doesn't make something factual.
Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:04lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:01

Why didn't they just fly the plane into the Pentagon?
It's such a simple question that I can't believe none of the websites you've found have got an
answer.

secureblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:11Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
20:00secureblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 19:57TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October
2010 16:20Dai Hard wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:18lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October
2010 16:15Dai Hard wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:07lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October
2010 15:51

it.
Well you must regard all others on here as mentally ill, as I have never seen one single debate
that you have ever been involved in..
Face it son, your just a messageboard stalker who pops up every now and again like some
pathetic little saddo..

Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:15secureblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
20:11Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:00secureblue wrote on Mon, 11 October
2010 16:18lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:15Dai Hard wrote on Mon, 11 October
2010 16:07lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:51

it.
I debate football,ever heard of that.
TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:14watersblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
20:10Why not read some books about the 'truth' behind 9/11? There is a stack of evidence to
unfortunately.
Trueblue either you believe all accounts of the official story or you don't?
The other day mainstream news reported the British Aid worker had been blown up by
terrorists with a suicide vest..
Today we get the truth, 48 hours after all the lies were circulated..
The only reason we have got the truth now is because it cannot be kept from being found out..


Why didn't they just fly the plane into the Pentagon?
It's such a simple question that I can't believe none of the websites you've found have got an
answer.
They are minor details, it's more important that someone might not have reported it for about
14 seconds. :-d

20:10Why not read some books about the 'truth' behind 9/11? There is a stack of evidence to
unfortunately.
So using your logic, those debunking the theories might be non-factual.

secureblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:17Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
20:15secureblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:11Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October
2010 20:00secureblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 19:57TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11
October 2010 16:20Dai Hard wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:18lardy wrote on Mon, 11
October 2010 16:15Dai Hard wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:07lardy wrote on Mon, 11
October 2010 15:51
it.
I debate football,ever heard of that.
Your crap at that as well...
I've seen your posts on football, and they're not what anyone would describe as a debate..

20:14watersblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:10Why not read some books about the
'truth' behind 9/11? There is a stack of evidence to suggest that we haven't been told the truth.
Why not read them and then you will be in a better position to make judgements? I feel that a
lot prefer to bury their head in the sand, unfortunately.
So if they couldn't keep something as relatively small as this story coming out, precisely how
did these shadowy figures manage to keep the truth about 9/11 under wraps?

The immediate days after an event things nearly always get made up to make the print.
However a few days settles and the actual things always come out, as has happened in this
event.
I really can't see any relation to 9/11.

watersblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:20TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
Of course it might not, but you seemed to suggest if we read some of these books, we'd know
the 'truth'. When in fact it isn't the 'truth' or atleast not to anyone on here's knowledge, it's just
what someone believes. That and the 'truth' are two totally different things.

clydachmarket wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:04NN2Blue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
pentagon FACT
Cardiff City won the FA Cup in 2008. FACT. Lol look it's true now because I wrote FACT after
it.
My God you can't have any form of debate with any of you, it's just awful badly sourced links to
Stormfront type sites or people saying 'fact' after ridiculous statements. Bloody hell quote
Splott David "you don't know what they were working on" no doubt you and your nutty neo Nazi
mates do.
Is it any surprise Annis' board is so popular:

Talk about Cardiff City = Annis' forum.
Chat to racist nut cases about the Jewish conspiracy = ccmb.
Forums live and die by the quality of their moderation, clearly lacking if this bile is all that
appears anymore, everyday.

20:19TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:14watersblue wrote on Mon, 11 October
2010 20:10Why not read some books about the 'truth' behind 9/11? There is a stack of
evidence to suggest that we haven't been told the truth. Why not read them and then you will
be in a better position to make judgements? I feel that a lot prefer to bury their head in the
sand, unfortunately.
event.
Bullshit!
Now you are sounding naive.
The event was lied about in all communications from the American military until it could not
hold water.
How would you explain pieces of a grenade in someones chest if it had been a suicide
bomber..
There was an opportunity to tell the truth straight away it was rejected..

There was an opportunity to tell the truth straight away it was rejected..[/quote]
Proof?
Thought not.
2010 20:14watersblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:10Why not read some books about
the 'truth' behind 9/11? There is a stack of evidence to suggest that we haven't been told the
truth. Why not read them and then you will be in a better position to make judgements? I feel
that a lot prefer to bury their head in the sand, unfortunately.
event.
Bullshit!
hold water.
bomber..
This is a totally different discussion wouldn't you agree.
As asked by someone a second ago, how can't they keep the death of one woman a secret yet
they can keep 9/11 secret?

Hicks wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:24clydachmarket wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
20:04NN2Blue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:20uptheklart wrote on Mon, 11 October
pentagon FACT
Cardiff City won the FA Cup in 2008. FACT. Lol look it's true now because I wrote FACT after
it.
My God you can't have any form of debate with any of you, it's just awful badly sourced links to
Stormfront type sites or people saying 'fact' after ridiculous statements. Bloody hell quote
Splott David "you don't know what they were working on" no doubt you and your nutty neo Nazi
mates do.
Is it any surprise Annis' board is so popular:

Talk about Cardiff City = Annis' forum.
Chat to racist nut cases about the Jewish conspiracy = ccmb.
Forums live and die by the quality of their moderation, clearly lacking if this bile all that
appears.
That is not a quote of mine Hicks, try again.
Why falsify quotes from other posters..
event.
Bullshit!
hold water.
bomber..
There was an opportunity to tell the truth straight away it was rejected..If you don't understand
the chaos that goes on during an operation like that, the rumours that swirl and desperate
media scramble to get the exclusive what ever the facts then this isn't really worth debating
with you. No doubt you'll be claiming it was a secret IDF raid to discredit the Taliban ?

Posted by clydachmarket on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:33:16 GMT
if it is a fact there is no problem whatsoever putting FACT at the end of a posting

2010 20:10Why not read some books about the 'truth' behind 9/11? There is a stack of
evidence to suggest that we haven't been told the truth. Why not read them and then you will
be in a better position to make judgements? I feel that a lot prefer to bury their head in the
Which is why I originally wrote 'truth' in inverted commas, see? We can believe what we
choose to believe, whether it's known to be 'true' or not. Surely it does no harm reading
material that take alternative viewpoints. I have always felt uneasy about the events of 9/11,
so I thought I ought to do some reading. The day the towers collapsed, I remember thinking,
"That should not happen." I still think this is 'true'.

inaccurate.
towers..?
Do you know who was killed in that part of the Pentagon and what they were working on..?This
isn't a quote of mine, why falsify quotes ? Ok I'm trying again, look there's the quote. FACT
(now it's double true).

2010 20:19TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:14watersblue wrote on Mon, 11
October 2010 20:10Why not read some books about the 'truth' behind 9/11? There is a stack
of evidence to suggest that we haven't been told the truth. Why not read them and then you
will be in a better position to make judgements? I feel that a lot prefer to bury their head in the
event.
Bullshit!
hold water.
bomber..
Of course I would agree.
Nobody could disagree.
It is however symptomatic of the contempt that is shown in terms of transparent disclosure..
Why do you maintain that 9/11 was secret?
I don't think it was a secret.
The nano-thermite was an issue which no one so far has disputed.
Now if you undertstand what it is, and the implications of its prescece you would also be asking
more questions..
If you can refute, or find any source of information which refutes it then please produce it.
That would just leave a collection of half arsed theories without much supporting evidence..

more questions..
That would just leave a collection of half arsed theories without much supporting
evidence..[/quote]
With all due respect, you regularly imply that there are many secrets involved with the 9/11
tragedy, and have indeed used this nano-thermite stuff to imply that there is more to it than
meets the eye.

Hicks wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:37Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
19:50lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 19:42lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
inaccurate.
towers..?

Do you know who was killed in that part of the Pentagon and what they were working on..?This
isn't a quote of mine, why falsify quotes ? Ok I'm trying again, look there's the quote. FACT
(now it's double true).
You falisfied a quote to deliberately give a misleading impression and meaning, why?
Is English your first language?
I can't see any excuse if it was not.
Placid Casual wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:41
more questions..
meets the eye.[/quote]
Two buildings fall down.
Nano-thermite remains are found.
Nano-thermite is only used to cut through steel.
What is anybody supposed to think..

October 2010 20:14watersblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:10Why not read some
books about the 'truth' behind 9/11? There is a stack of evidence to suggest that we haven't
been told the truth. Why not read them and then you will be in a better position to make
judgements? I feel that a lot prefer to bury their head in the sand, unfortunately.
event.
Bullshit!
hold water.
bomber..
more questions..
evidence..Space Aliens did 9/11. Find me some proof they didn't, everyone knows it was an
issue, find me some refutable sources that prove space aliens were not involved.
All you're doing is setting up Strawmen, it's pathetic and pointless to even try. The burden of
proof is on you no one else and the only thing you've produced so far is a neo nazi site
claiming the jews did 9/11 with some sort of bomb.
Reposting this link:

Please provide me with reasons for each point he makes. Hell even give me the big picture of
what your warped worldview thinks happened on 9/11 and why.

Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:45Placid Casual wrote on Mon, 11 October
2010 20:41
more questions..
meets the eye.
Two buildings fall down.
Nano-thermite remains are found.
Nano-thermite is only used to cut through steel.
What is anybody supposed to think..
Here's the problem with everything you've posted, Nano-thermite wasn't found in the remains.
**** me some college student saw a photo and claimed HELL THAT MUST BE NANO
THERMITE and you've just taken this as fact with no proof other than looking at photgraphs.
I'm seriously debating if you need mental help.
Please read this. Now post why you, with your background in chemistry and structural
engineering you think the building fell down:
http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm

October 2010 20:19TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:14watersblue wrote on Mon,
11 October 2010 20:10Why not read some books about the 'truth' behind 9/11? There is a
stack of evidence to suggest that we haven't been told the truth. Why not read them and then
you will be in a better position to make judgements? I feel that a lot prefer to bury their head in
the sand, unfortunately.
event.
Bullshit!
hold water.
bomber..
more questions..

Please provide me with reasons for each point he makes. Hell even give me the big picture.
Errmm....I didn't post that link.
Mine have more credibility.
The Christopher Bollyn book has far more information which is credible, and painstakingly put
together over nine years.
He is an established and credible investigative journalist.
calonlan wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 16:54Just have a look at some of the books
advertised on the left hand side of the website that Splott David has given as a link:
Jew Dominance in Filth

Jews and Cannibalism
Jewish Child Sacrifice etc. etc.
Nice to know we're reading a completely objective source.
Bump
It would be nice if Splott David could direct us to a peer reviewed academic paper which
supports his theory, instead of websites which also claim that Jews eat babies. I am quite
prepared to keep an open mind about anything like this but I would like to see some
constructive evidence rather than very tenuous rumours based on science which we don't fully
understand.

event.
Bullshit!
hold water.
bomber..
more questions..
Here you go. It's as credible as any source you've supplied.

October 2010 20:22Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:19TruBlue wrote on Mon,
11 October 2010 20:14watersblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:10Why not read some
event.
Bullshit!
hold water.
bomber..
more questions..

http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2010/06/32-christopher-bol lyn.html

20:24watersblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:20TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October
Can I ask if you have much experience of the 'plane flying into buildings industry'?
event.
Bullshit!
hold water.
bomber..
more questions..

I posted the link you spanner. The link is to a Journalist called Matt Taibbi who writes the
political column in Rolling Stone and is one of the more respectable up and coming US political
correspondents, he even has a Wikipedia page unlike your nut case mate Christopher Bollyn.
Now I want you to go through that article and look at each point he makes, then I want you to
come back and tell me why the conspiracy guys did things that way. Do that instead of setting
up ridiculous strawmen and then claiming it's a debate.

Interesting part of that American loon page:
"Diagnosis: Complete loon and master at interpreting the fact that anyone disagrees with him,
for whatever reason, as evidence for the truth of his conspiracy theories. Specific impact
uncertain, but his views are apparently relatively widespread and must be considered
dangerous. "
Is this guy related to Splott David by chance ? I think I'll retire from this for the evening. I think I
might make a habit of coming into your threads and exposing you for the racist you are.

event.
Bullshit!
hold water.
bomber..
There was an opportunity to tell the truth straight away it was rejected..If you don't understand
the chaos that goes on during an operation like that, the rumours that swirl and desperate
media scramble to get the exclusive what ever the facts then this isn't really worth debating
with you. No doubt you'll be claiming it was a secret IDF raid to discredit the Taliban ?
48 hours of, 'it was a suicide bomber' followed by, Oh no, it was one of us..
48 hours Hicks, not 48 seconds, or 48 minutes..

Hicks wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 21:00Interesting part of that American loon page:
dangerous. "
Nano-thermite = racist!!!
As I recall you lost one encounter after another previously, and are now back for some more..
Bring it on, I love the easy ones...

Now you're being silly. :wave:
21:00Interesting part of that American loon page:
dangerous. "
Bring it on, I love the easy ones...once again no replies to the links posted, just more of the
same. "nano termite was found because I say it was, FACT".

20:51Hicks wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:45Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
event.
Bullshit!
hold water.
bomber..
more questions..

I posted the link you spanner. The link is to a Journalist called Matt Taibbi who writes the
political column in Rolling Stone and is one of the more respectable up and coming US political
correspondents, he even has a Wikipedia page unlike your nut case mate Christopher Bollyn.
Now I want you to go through that article and look at each point he makes, then I want you to
come back and tell me why the conspiracy guys did things that way. Do that instead of setting
up ridiculous strawmen and then claiming it's a debate.
The link does not work as a message keeps coming up say operation aborted..
Your insults are a sign you are losing it Hicks.
We've been there before haven't we..
It didn't end well for you then either..
Two or three posts and then all the toys come out of the pram.
I've had you on ignore for six months after your last round of nutty rants.


Posted by rainman on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 20:11:49 GMT
21:00Interesting part of that American loon page:
dangerous. "
I would say as many would that you are losing this debate quite badly,but keep on trying to
belittle people,its what u do best :thumbup:

2010 20:24watersblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:20TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11
Not at all, no one knows what would happen which is my point.
No one is experienced in that industry, so you thinking 'this shouldn't happen' means nothing at
all. No one knows what would happen as it had never happened before.
It did happen, surely that's enough proof? You saw that with your own eyes, if there was a
different conspiracy to the popular one that most people believe, what was the point in bringing
the buildings down.

rainman wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 21:11Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
21:05Hicks wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 21:00Interesting part of that American loon page:
dangerous. "
I would say as many would that you are losing this debate quite badly,but keep on trying to
belittle people,its what u do best :thumbup:
You've only been on here a strawberry season, what would you know..

Six months on ignore ? Lucky me. What a surprise that you can't see the links others are
posting, you're "winning" on the internets. Let's forget the Taibbi piece and try this one that's
been posted multiple times:
the buildings down.
If you bother to read a few books, you would discover a number of reasons for bringing down
those buildings; not that I am saying it's all 'true' before you go down that road again. Never
has a building collapsed because of fire before and yet on 9/11 three came down. Strange,
that. Surely you can at least admit that this is worth investigating?
calonlan wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 21:09http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm
calonlan, I'm not sure what you are hoping to achieve posting this link as the introduction is by
John Ray.
The same John Ray is on this site arguing the complete opposite.
Now unless there is two John Rays floating about, I'm slightly confused.
http://exodus2006.com/9_11-failed.htm

2010 20:56watersblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:34TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11
October 2010 20:24watersblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:20TruBlue wrote on Mon,
the buildings down.
The three buildings weren't just your average building fires though, so this never before
argument holds little value as well.
Never before has a huge passenger plane crashed into a building in such a manner. It wasn't
just the fire, it was a combination of fire and the plane, the fuel from the plane also burns at a
lot hotter than you average building fire.
WTC 7 was landed on by a lot of the two collapsing towers, there were fires in there as well,
which were left to burn as the structural damage had already been created.

Hicks wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 21:20Six months on ignore ? Lucky me. What a surprise
that you can't see the links others are posting, you're "winning" on the internets. Let's forget the
Taibbi piece and try this one that's been posted multiple times:
Wow there's a surprise, you have found a site which tries to discredit anyone looking at this
subject..
It is evidence nothing more and nothing less.
I see there is still no comment concerning members of the 9/11 Commission, who have
expressed doubts and concerns over their own report..

11 October 2010 20:20TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:14watersblue wrote on
Mon, 11 October 2010 20:10Why not read some books about the 'truth' behind 9/11? There is
a stack of evidence to suggest that we haven't been told the truth. Why not read them and
then you will be in a better position to make judgements? I feel that a lot prefer to bury their
head in the sand, unfortunately.
the buildings down.
The three buildings weren't just your average building fires though, so this never before
argument holds little value as well.
Never before has a huge passenger plane crashed into a building in such a manner. It wasn't
just the fire, it was a combination of fire and the plane, the fuel from the plane also burns at a
lot hotter than you average building fire.
WTC 7 was landed on by a lot of the two collapsing towers, there were fires in there as well,
which were left to burn as the structural damage had already been created.
Most of the fuel from the one plane burns up on impact outside the building. It's quite obvious
that we aren't going to agree here.

Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 21:35calonlan wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
21:09http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm
calonlan, I'm not sure what you are hoping to achieve posting this link as the introduction is by
John Ray.
The same John Ray is on this site arguing the complete opposite.
Now unless there is two John Rays floating about, I'm slightly confused.
http://exodus2006.com/9_11-failed.htm
There's a lot more than two:

http://singersaintsrecords.blogspot.com/2008/03/johnnie-ray- 1952.html

calonlan wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:55Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
20:51Hicks wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:45Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
event.
Bullshit!
hold water.
bomber..
more questions..

That is an anonymous blog with absolutely no details whatsoever on who is behind it..
It is untraceable and without provenance..
In other words the Blog is there purely to discredit individuals looking at this subject..
Don't argue the issues, just attack the individual..
Same as the fat barrister did the other day..

uptheklart wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:21NN2Blue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
Probably a missile; all of the US News Channels carried footage of the damage after the
impact which could not have been caused by a passenger jet. Wrong shape, lack of wreckage
(what happened to the two jet engines?), not big enough, no evidence of hundreds of gallons
of aviation fuel igniting.
The Pentagon; the military HQ of the American Empire. Very heavily observed, CCTV etc. Do
you not find it odd that the USA have not been able to release one, just one image of a Boeing
passenger jet crashing into the Pentagon? Not one? Not flying across the grounds, not flying
into the building - Nothing.
All the "crank" websites did was to gather together all of the photographic evidence from the
USA News Channels. It's also amazing that none of this footage has been debated or
questioned on mainstream TV in the States or the UK.
It is this lack of evidence to support that a Boeing crashed into the Pentagon that causes most
concern. In fact, there is no hard evidence that a passenger jet crashed into the Pentagon -
None at all.

20:55Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:51Hicks wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
event.
Bullshit!
hold water.
bomber..
more questions..

As I said above, anyone can post links to websites, as I have done and as you have done. In
order to have any intellectual integrity and credibility, however, I would like you to direct me to
some peer-reviewed academic publications which support your theory. I'm not saying you are
wrong; I'm very happy to keep an open mind on these things but when your opening link took
me to a website which advertised books about Jews and Cannibalism and Jews and Child
Sacrifice, I felt I might not be reading the most objective source material available.

None at all.
And you didn't mention those bent streetlights. :thumbup: I can't think why the FBI went
around everywhere collecting the films from every nearby camera. :shrug:
NN2Blue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 21:50
None at all.
BBC and Channel 4 have run numerous programmes on this very subject. :shrug:

None at all.
So why would someone go to the effort of hijacking a plane, disposing of it and its passengers
somewhere and then firing a missile at the Pentagon, when they could kill two birds with one
stone and just fly the plane into it? And why haven't they found the plane yet?

None at all.
apart from almost 100 hundred witnesses and plenty of plane debris laying about theres no
evidence at all.

lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 21:55NN2Blue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
21:50uptheklart wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:21NN2Blue wrote on Mon, 11 October
2010 15:20uptheklart wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:14rofl at these websites and people
like david, they are wikipedia scientists. David what the **** do you really know about thermite,
or any of these assholes who almost 10 years later are still writing the same shit to the same
None at all.
Interesting question - If you can dig up some photographic evidence of a Boeing flying towards
and crashing into the Pentagon with evidence of the subsequent wreckage outside and inside
the building, I'll happily shut up. It's hard to find; it shouldn't be - that's my point!

did you know that welding rods leave the same particles as nano magic?

goslow wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 21:58NN2Blue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
None at all.
evidence at all.
Linky?
My point is that there is no photographic evidence that has been released that supports the
scenario that a passenger jet crashed into the Pentagon - There should be!

Posted by Ray Mears on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:02:08 GMT
None at all.
Look, there were bits of 757 scattered everywhere, and a big planed shaped hole in the side of
the Pentagon. Coupled with a plane no longer being here, and the deaths of a number of
innocent people, lots of eyewitiness reports, every single piece of evidence suggests a plane
flew into the side of the Pentagon.

some gems from splotts website
Official Records From International Red Cross PROVE "HOLOCAUST" Was a Fraud:
'Holocaust' an Inside Job?
Are Hitler's Jewish Soldiers responsible for the Death of 6 Million Jews?
Final Solution?
What Final Solution?

NN2Blue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 21:59lardy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
2010 15:21NN2Blue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:20uptheklart wrote on Mon, 11
October 2010 15:14rofl at these websites and people like david, they are wikipedia scientists.
David what the **** do you really know about thermite, or any of these assholes who almost 10
years later are still writing the same shit to the same retards that believed them firs time
around. Anything they have on their website looks like its off wikipedia because they dont have
a clue what they are talking about.
None at all.
Interesting question - If you can dig up some photographic evidence of a Boeing flying towards
and crashing into the Pentagon with evidence of the subsequent wreckage outside and inside
the building, I'll happily shut up. It's hard to find; it shouldn't be - that's my point!
If you can dig up some photographic evidence of a missile flying towards and crashing into the
Pentagon with evidence of the subsequent wreckage outside and inside the building, I'll happily
shut up. It's hard to find; it shouldn't be - that's my point!

21:45calonlan wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:55Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October
2010 20:51Hicks wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:45Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October
October 2010 20:27TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:22Splott David wrote on Mon,
11 October 2010 20:19TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:14watersblue wrote on
Mon, 11 October 2010 20:10Why not read some books about the 'truth' behind 9/11? There is
a stack of evidence to suggest that we haven't been told the truth. Why not read them and
then you will be in a better position to make judgements? I feel that a lot prefer to bury their
head in the sand, unfortunately.
event.
Bullshit!
hold water.
bomber..
more questions..

Well I agree with that.
I would love to see some peer reviewed information. I would imagine that quiet a lot of
individuals wouldn't want to go anywhere near this for fear of it ruining their careers..
Either way they would be on a hiding to nothing..
Back to the evidence as that is all it is, not proof, or facts, but evidence. This photo raised lots
of questions at the time because of the absence of intense fires.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wtc1_woman.html

Posted by Croesyblue on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:04:20 GMT
goslow wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 22:02some gems from splotts website
Official Records From International Red Cross PROVE "HOLOCAUST" Was a Fraud:
'Holocaust' an Inside Job?
Are Hitler's Jewish Soldiers responsible for the Death of 6 Million Jews?
Final Solution?
What Final Solution?
Could you please provide a link to the web site please
Many thanks

NN2Blue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 22:01goslow wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
2010 15:21NN2Blue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:20uptheklart wrote on Mon, 11
October 2010 15:14rofl at these websites and people like david, they are wikipedia scientists.
David what the **** do you really know about thermite, or any of these assholes who almost 10
years later are still writing the same shit to the same retards that believed them firs time
around. Anything they have on their website looks like its off wikipedia because they dont have
a clue what they are talking about.
None at all.
evidence at all.
Linky?
Here - some sad bastard has gone around identifying the engine parts from the wreckage.
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml
There are loads of these types of pictures.
As well as that big plane shaped hole in the side of the Pentagon. Bizarrely, some crackpots
expect it to look like a Loony Tunes cutout of a plane, not a big hole that looks like something
just crashed.

Ray Mears wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 22:06NN2Blue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
22:01goslow wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 21:58NN2Blue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
None at all.
evidence at all.
Linky?
just crashed.
:hehe:

Posted by The Blue Sheep on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:13:37 GMT
Baaaaahh
Baaaaaahh
Baaaaahhhhh
BAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH !!!!

22:01goslow wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 21:58NN2Blue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
None at all.
evidence at all.
Linky?
just crashed.
Looks interesting - I have seen other websites that "conclusively" say that these parts could not
have come from the Engines of a Boeing but I will have a good look at this.
I do go back to my original point - why are there no photographs of the plane in the act? It's
hard to swallow and the damage to the Pentagon as shown on USA TV in the immediate
aftermath did not look like the building had been hit by a plane.

21:51Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 21:45calonlan wrote on Mon, 11 October
2010 20:55Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:51Hicks wrote on Mon, 11 October
11 October 2010 20:22Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:19TruBlue wrote on
Mon, 11 October 2010 20:14watersblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:10Why not read
some books about the 'truth' behind 9/11? There is a stack of evidence to suggest that we
haven't been told the truth. Why not read them and then you will be in a better position to
make judgements? I feel that a lot prefer to bury their head in the sand, unfortunately.
event.
Bullshit!
hold water.
bomber..
more questions..

Now that's just tripe. Academics have long put their careers on the line to put forward their
theories. Copernicus, Galileo, Darwin as well as thousands upon thousands of lesser people. If
I were able to publish anything as groundbreaking as this with academically consensual
evidence, I would jump at the chance. Look at the things that Noam Chomsky has written
which agree with a lot of your beliefs to some extent. He has been fiercely critical of the
American and Israeli governments on a huge number of points and, if he thought there was
any credence in these 9/11 theories which you have referred to, it is clear that he would be
fearless in pursuing them.

Looks interesting - I have seen other websites that "conclusively" say that these parts could not
have come from the Engines of a Boeing but I will have a good look at this.
Is it really that different to the impacts of the WTC planes?

NN2Blue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 22:14Looks interesting - I have seen other websites
that "conclusively" say that these parts could not have come from the Engines of a Boeing but I
will have a good look at this.
The other websites will have the same pictures.
To be honest, that website has methodically gone through the pictures of the engine in the
wreckage, and compared them with Rolls Royce RB211s, with pictures to explain and show
this. They couldn't do anymore could they?
The same website looks at the undercarriage, using pictures taken from consipracy websites,
and compares the undercarriage with those of a range of planes, as well as possible missiles
that could be used (though obviously most missiles don't have undercarraige). Have a look at
that too.
To me it all looks like a plane wreckage, given that there are bits of plane, plane engines and
plane parts scattered around. Probably because it is.
This, and the fact that all the news reports suggest that a 757 hit the pentagon says to me a
757 hit the Pentagon.

2010 21:45calonlan wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:55Splott David wrote on Mon, 11
October 2010 20:51Hicks wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:45Splott David wrote on Mon, 11
October 2010 20:38TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:29Splott David wrote on Mon,
11 October 2010 20:27TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:22Splott David wrote on
Mon, 11 October 2010 20:19TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:14watersblue wrote
on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:10Why not read some books about the 'truth' behind 9/11?
There is a stack of evidence to suggest that we haven't been told the truth. Why not read them
and then you will be in a better position to make judgements? I feel that a lot prefer to bury
their head in the sand, unfortunately.
event.
Bullshit!
hold water.
bomber..
more questions..

Noam has but has been careful never to cross the line and call into question the legitimacy of
Zionism.
Look what happened to Professor Norman Finkelstein when he did. Kicked out of university
and unable to get a job in any university in America..
You underestimate the forces which range against anyone, who goes against the official
narrative..

22:14Looks interesting - I have seen other websites that "conclusively" say that these parts
could not have come from the Engines of a Boeing but I will have a good look at this.
that too.
Great Ray, now who did they kill in that part of the Pentagon, and what was it that they were in
the middle of investigating?

Posted by Gofer Blue on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:39:35 GMT
As usual the discussions have drifted away from the original title. From what I have read it
seems that the force of collapsing towers created such enormous shear forces that the
materials of which the towers were made were ground to a fine dust. Remember the dust cloud
swirling around Manhattan? I reas that Thermite is composed of finely ground metals, typically
aluminium and iron. Given that the towers contained a heck of a lot of steel and aluminium, is it
really surprising that a Thermite-like material might be found amongst the debris?

what really happened was after the invisible cruise missile hit the pentagon the men in black
walked around shaking bits of aeroplane out of thier trousers ala the great escape :thumbup:

Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 22:38
I don't know.
Is it something to do with Israel?

22:14Looks interesting - I have seen other websites that "conclusively" say that these parts
could not have come from the Engines of a Boeing but I will have a good look at this.
that too.
Fair enough! We don't need to debate this but I just don't buy it!
You will have seen these photos before, but for your amusement!
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/hunt_the_boei ng.htm
There's just not enough mess for me! :hehe:

Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 22:38Ray Mears wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
22:32NN2Blue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 22:14Looks interesting - I have seen other
websites that "conclusively" say that these parts could not have come from the Engines of a
Boeing but I will have a good look at this.
that too.
Whoever it was (you've been dying to reveal it), they did a great job of ensuring he was in the
correct part of the building at the time; not in a meeting, in the cafe, nipped off for a piss...
Are there easier ways of killing people? Ask Wile E Coyote.

goslow wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 22:40what really happened was after the invisible
cruise missile hit the pentagon the men in black walked around shaking bits of aeroplane out of
thier trousers ala the great escape :thumbup:
They were all hiding in hedges just beforehand.
They then pushed down loads of lamposts.
They don't know why, but they knew conspiracy theorists would like it.
Ray Mears wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 22:40Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
22:38
I don't know.
Is it something to do with Israel?
Feck me Ray you're a mind reader..
How do you do it..?
No actually.
But it is to do with a massive fraud which at the time was being investigated by accountants,
who had been transferred to the Pentagon for security reasons.
Now the next question is what was the nature of the fraud and how is it possibly linked to this
event..?

22:15Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 22:03calonlan wrote on Mon, 11 October
2010 21:51Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 21:45calonlan wrote on Mon, 11
October 2010 20:55Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:51Hicks wrote on Mon, 11
11 October 2010 20:29Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:27TruBlue wrote on
Mon, 11 October 2010 20:22Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:19TruBlue wrote
on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:14watersblue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:10Why not read
some books about the 'truth' behind 9/11? There is a stack of evidence to suggest that we
haven't been told the truth. Why not read them and then you will be in a better position to
make judgements? I feel that a lot prefer to bury their head in the sand, unfortunately.
event.
Bullshit!
hold water.
bomber..
more questions..

Zionism.
narrative..
Chomsky is fearlessly and unashamedly anti-Zionist. He makes no attempt at hiding that and
has been called a self-hating Jew by his many Zionist critics. Are you sure you've read his
books?

How do you do it..?
No actually.
event..?
I don't know, but I suspect that given it was in the Pentagon it was something 'suspicious',
linked with government, and quite secretive.
22:45
How do you do it..?
No actually.
event..?
I don't know, but I suspect that given it was in the Pentagon it was something 'suspicious',
linked with government, and quite secretive.
http://911review.org/brad.com/batcave/Dov_Zakheim_911.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1047.sht ml

[/quote]
That's funny - I particularly like the picture of the plane that says 'note the cylindrical object -
see its a big gun or something strapped to the bottom'.
What's the point of it though?

23:04
That's funny - I particularly like the picture of the plane that says 'note the cylindrical object -
see its a big gun or something strapped to the bottom'.
What's the point of it though?[/quote]
So a high tech company that allows for pilotless planes to be controlled, and someone who
was involved in purchasing the planes, are linked together with a fraud that the high tech
company was allegedly involved in..
At the time under investigation by the very people killed in that part of the building.
Coincidence..??

Coincidence..??
I don't know - even that website didn't even seem to know what its implication by association
is. It even then admits that its association isn't neccessarily true either.
Are you saying that you think that some bloke flew 767s by remote control into the Twin
Towers as cover for him flying a 757 into the Pentagon to kill some accountants that were
investigating him, and that the entire US Government and hundreds of employees were
complicit, as well as commercial airlines, and that he also used Nano-Thermite explosives as
well as flying remote control planes into the Twin Towers too, just incase that part of his cover
needed a second explosion, because no-one would notice the first one?
Because that seems to be what you are implying.

23:15
Coincidence..??
No what I have always thought is what I stated earlier that the whole attack was a planned
terrorist one, which like many, many, (far more than are ever successful) was either penetrated
or discovered by intelligence services, who had the whole thing under surveillance.
Somewhere or somehow things went wrong and they either lost control of the operation, or it
was hijacked for other purposes..
The fraud would need to be investigated, unfortunately we will never know as all the evidence
that the accountants were working on was destroyed in the attack..

Quite simply - based on all the known evidence what would you say happened on that day?
You are still implying things with that statement.

23:43
Quite simply - based on all the known evidence what would you say happened on that day?
You are still implying things with that statement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9DQ4EpgYzY

Be fair, I asked a simple question that doesn't need to be sent on a tangent, and certainly not a
you-tube link to Fox News!

Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 23:43Ray Mears wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010
23:35Splott David wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 23:15
Coincidence..??
that the accountants were working on was destroyed in the attack..Or we could have just killed
the accountants ? Because a government capable of organising such a vast conspiracy is
totally incapable of killing a few pen pushers in accidents. People always look to the dramatic,
if you want real conspiracy theories pen pushers falling down elevator shafts is far more likely
than planes being flown into buildings, it might not be as exciting as Spooks though.

23:49
Be fair, I asked a simple question that doesn't need to be sent on a tangent, and certainly not a
you-tube link to Fox News!
Watch the news link it is only two days old..
Pay careful attention to what is said on a mainstream channel..

Posted by blue matt on Mon, 11 Oct 2010 23:14:47 GMT
i skipped straight to page 5
5 fooking pages :wave: :wave: :wave:
it'll be that illegal state in the middle east with american help :thumbup: :thumbup: :wave:
:wave:

2010 22:03calonlan wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 21:51Splott David wrote on Mon, 11
October 2010 21:45calonlan wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:55Splott David wrote on Mon,
11 October 2010 20:51Hicks wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:45Splott David wrote on Mon,
11 October 2010 20:38TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:29Splott David wrote on
Mon, 11 October 2010 20:27TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:22Splott David wrote
on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:19TruBlue wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:14watersblue
wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 20:10Why not read some books about the 'truth' behind 9/11?
There is a stack of evidence to suggest that we haven't been told the truth. Why not read them
and then you will be in a better position to make judgements? I feel that a lot prefer to bury
their head in the sand, unfortunately.
event.
Bullshit!
hold water.
bomber..
more questions..

Zionism.
narrative..
Chomsky is fearlessly and unashamedly anti-Zionist. He makes no attempt at hiding that and
has been called a self-hating Jew by his many Zionist critics. Are you sure you've read his
books?
There are many degrees of anti-Zionism, Chomsky has ruled out the right of return for
Palestinians along with the possibility of a one-state solution..
At a stroke he has tried to delegitimize the right to return, while at the same time accepting that
there was a right originally.

Posted by purple haze2 on Tue, 12 Oct 2010 04:42:52 GMT
It is beyond the absurd how anyone can seriously question the events of 9/11.
1 ) Two seperate aeroplanes flew into the twin towers. Evidence from passengers' relatives
confirm the planes were hijacked by muslim terrorists. NO ONE with a brain or an ounce of
common sense can refute that.
2 ) The buildings under intense pressure and heat eventually collapsed in a manner that a few
people consider questionable. These people attempt to make up claims that suggest that US
officials knew the exact details - times, locations, etc of these attacks and prepared well in
advance and without any members of the public being aware of the so-called prepared
demolition of two of the largest buildings in the world. Along with the fact that the demolition
experts being added to the long list of those hiding this conspiracy suggests that those
believing this specific conspiracy should question their sanity.
3 ) Nano thermite conspiracy has been debunked along with the above and innumerable other
comments here and elsewhere.
4 ) Flight 93, evidence from people on the ground and near the site confirm the aeroplane
crashing and a distinct lack of debris immediately after the crash. Evidence from passengers'
relatives confirm once again a terrorist hijack by muslim terrorists. Air traffic control evidence
also confirms it was a plane - flight 93.
So if it wasn't flight 93 that flew into the ground, what was it? Where did flight 93 go? Where
are all the passengers and crew from flight 93 ?
Only the seriously deluded will believe that this was a conspiracy.
5 ) The Pentagon - the conspiracists argue and counterargue amongst themselves. Does
anyone seriously believe that without any civilian knowledge that street light poles near the
Pentagon and on the flight path were uprooted and moved onto the highway or nearby field at
any time prior or post the incident at the Pentagon. Does anyone believe that these were
moved to make it look like an aeroplane had created the damage. Again, evidence from
passengers' relatives, air traffic control, etc all confirm that it was indeed flight 77 that crashed
into the Pentagon. If it wasn't flight 77, again the the same questions asked for flight 93 can be
asked for flight 77.
The number of people supposedly involved in a cover up, along with precision timing, lack of
prior knowledge of preparation from workers in the WTC's and members of the public near the
Pentagon and WTC's, along with ALL of the evidence confirms what happened was solely as a
result of the actions of those terrorists.
As Splott David states you either believe all of it or none of it.
Now to try and make a conspiracy out of even one these incidents in isolation is a sign of
delusion, but to try and make a case for the whole catalogue of events on 9/11 as a conspiracy
should lead any believer to be certifiable.

Posted by watersblue on Tue, 12 Oct 2010 06:41:20 GMT
purple haze2 wrote on Tue, 12 October 2010 05:42It is beyond the absurd how anyone can
seriously question the events of 9/11.
Any plane that flew into that many streetlights would have long been obliterated before
touching the building. Your blind trust in the US government is not a good place to start, I'm
afraid. There are too many other issues with the events to go into this time of day.

Posted by Splott David on Tue, 12 Oct 2010 07:52:39 GMT
purple haze2 wrote on Tue, 12 October 2010 05:42It is beyond the absurd how anyone can
seriously question the events of 9/11.
Something like a third of all Americans have serious doubts over the governmemt's official
version of events. The FBI had testimony at the 9/11 Commission Hearings which was
subsequently not included in the final Commission Report.
Various members of the Commission have since expressed doubts about the final released
Commission Report, and I have provided a video which was taken just three days ago from
Fox News, with an ex-CIA official also casting serious doubts and raising questions about
evidence which was not included in the original Report.
Questioning events, or the accounts of such events, is the duty of those who live in a
democracy, value democracy, and want to keep the standards associated with democracy.
We can't say on one hand that we wanted to bring democracy to places like Afghanistan or
Iraq, still think we should encourage democracy for Iran but stamp it out as far as the West is
concerned..
Describing people as being deluded, or having some form of mental illness is the same tactic
used in the former Soviet Union, where any form of critical thinking was stamped out.
History shows us that governments, (all governments) lie to the general populace as and when
it suits their purpose. There have been numerous events throughout history, which (with the
benefit of fresh information) are reviewed and what we thought we knew has been changed.
Trying to categorize an event which involved numerous highly complicated planning, logistics,
and implementation with a very basic straight forward narrative, is going to raise more
questions from people.

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