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• Hardik Shah
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• Pramod Amte
• Madan Gopal
• Sachin Relekar
• Vikas Verma
• Kalpesh Gothi
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• Teena Virmani
• Ashish Shah
• Pankaj Chopra
• Sumeet Agrawal
• Vibhor Singhal
• Shailesh Kanani
• Atul Rastogi
Presentation
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen good day, and welcome to the Q3 FY11 Results Conference Call of Nagarjuna Construction
hosted by Motilal Oswal Securities Limited. As a reminder for the duration of this conference, all participants' lines
will be in the listen-only mode. And there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions at the end of today's
presentation. [Operator Instructions]. Please note that this conference is being recorded.
At this time, I would like the conference over to Mr. Dhirendra Tiwari from Motilal Oswal. Thank you and over to you,
sir.
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
impacted the expected turnover by about 70 crores in the third quarter and 173 crores for the first nine months of the
current year.
Delay in release of payments. This has impacted by the clients. This has impacted the third quarter revenues by about
85 crores and with the nine month revenues by about 327 crores. Delay in clearance of works on the land acquisition by
the clients, in the third quarter it has impacted the turnover by about 40 crores and for the nine months it has impacted
turnover by about 150 crores.
So the shortfall in turnover as far as the third quarter is concerned is about 195 crores on account of this three reasons,
and for the nine month period it is as much as 650 crores. This is more or less explains why there is going to be a
shortfall in the turnover of the company for the year as a whole.
As far as the low profit margins are concerned the interest outgoing have increased substantially on account of two
factors; one is the quantum of debt, that is appearing in the books of the company has gone up. We have got the debt of
about 2,319 crores at the end of the third quarter, that means the debt has gone up by 850 crores during the last nine
months.
And also the interest rates, which were around 78% in the first quarter of the current financial year have shot up beyond
10% in the third quarter, that's why the interest outgoing is also substantially gone up. And coupled with the low profits
are on account of losses in the road projects and also delay in payments by clients, which have impacted the cash
receipt of the company. And all-in-all about 22 crores of profits have been impacted in the third quarter.
As far as international subsidiaries are concerned, Nagarjuna Construction Company LLC has done a turnover of 43
crores in the third quarter that is the Dubai subsidiary, and also NCC International that is Muscat subsidiary 170.56
crores, and the NCC Urban Infrastructure that is our real estate subsidiary, about 31.8 crores of turnover and a net profit
of 0.8 crores.
The international subsidiaries are on course as far as the turnovers are concerned, they are likely to achieve the
budgeted turnover for the year as a whole, but the shortfall is coming primarily from the domestic business.
The debt position of the company has gone up to 2,319 crores, as compared to 1,532 crores at the beginning of the year.
And added to this the interest burden, the interest rates at which we are able to procure the data also has gone up
substantially during last nine months. And because of that the interest burden has gone up and that has impacted the net
profit margins. We have reported a net profit margin of only 3.02%, as compared to the 4.03% in the third quarter of
the previous year.
That is as far as the company's performance and our presentation is concerned. Now I request the participants to ask
your questions.
Hardik Shah
Yeah, good evening, sir.
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Hardik Shah
We have acquired 55% stake in Nelcast. So, what sort of compensation we have paid for? Second question is during
this quarter, our average tax rate, I mean which is roughly at 41%. So, I presume that we have made a excess provision
due to owning to this IT rate. So, what quantum of liability which you are accessing at this moment.
Hardik Shah
Right.
Hardik Shah
Right.
Hardik Shah
Okay.
Hardik Shah
Okay. Sir, what could be our.. I mean how much we are assessing as our total liability due to this IT raid, I mean any
update on that front?
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Hardik Shah
Okay, okay. And sir one more question. What composition of our order book on which we have already started
executions. So I mean out of our roughly 17,000 crores odd of order book, what component of order book which we
have already commenced work on that?
Hardik Shah
Right, and sir I mean any, I mean what component of orders, which are running delay? Which are running I mean
facing significant delays due to maybe whatever reason, I mean financial closure, delay in financial closure or maybe
lifting of MoEF, I mean environmental clearance?
Hardik Shah
Okay sir. Now what is the status, I mean how much --
Hardik Shah
Thank you.
Hardik Shah
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Okay. And sir, as far I mean newspaper articles regarding to that road project which we are, we are L1 as of now that
1,500 odd crores of project, we are hearing that Madhucon Projects has filed litigation against this bidding process or I
mean is there any I mean sort of, which we are hearing right now, so I mean any color on that front?
Hardik Shah
Right.
Hardik Shah
Right.
Hardik Shah
Yeah.
Hardik Shah
Right.
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
So that is the stand we are taking. Now the matter has gone to Supreme Court, ultimately whatever the Judicial
Authorities have decide based on that they give a direction to NHAI, and based on that they will be finalizing the
matter.
In our opinion this will be going to go for rebidding. Actually the legal position is if their bid is opened they will get the
project. If their bid is not opened we will get the project. But we understand that most probably it may go for rebidding
that is a low ground situation.
Hardik Shah
No sir, that is there. Just two more questions. Sir, given the fact that what we have done in nine months, how do you
end the order inflow that has been there, how do you see FY12 revenue growth planning out, and in terms of margins
do you see any pressure from current levels?
Hardik Shah
Sir on power project, the financial closure and EPC project awards, I mean when do you see those things happening?
Hardik Shah
One last question from my side. One is on the road project. Is that included in the order inflows of 2,700 crores?
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
reflection in the road to deliver the parent company. So, that order does not include in our order book at all.
Hardik Shah
And sir, power projects what kind of order inflow can you expect... can we expect in the next few months.
Hardik Shah
Okay, sir. Sir, thanks a lot for taking questions. Thanks.
Operator
Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. The next question is from Sunil Kumar from Birla Sunlife Insurance. Please go
ahead.
Sunil Kumar
Yeah, hi. Sir, wanted to understand the composition of Rs. 2,700 crore of orders which you received in this quarter?
Sunil Kumar
Okay. So like you clarified in the previous question that wood order is not included. So similarly power project order
will also be finalized after the financial closure only?
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Sunil Kumar
Okay. And it's 2,700 crores of orders, in all the orders you have the financial closure and --
Sunil Kumar
Sorry sir, Rs. 3,000 crore, two orders from this power division?
Sunil Kumar
Okay.
Sunil Kumar
Okay, okay.
Sunil Kumar
Okay, sure. And when do you expect those orders will finalize?
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Sunil Kumar
So, you are saying that in this particular financial year, let's say quarter four, from only power division you are
expecting Rs. 4,500 crore of your own power order plus Rs. 3,000 crore this independent --
Sunil Kumar
Okay. And that will obviously mean that your order inflow will be much above some around Rs. 13,000 crore?
Sunil Kumar
Okay. And sir these orders which you've received in the quarter, what kind of margins you are expecting I mean the
recent orders like building, irrigation, water which you mentioned?
Sunil Kumar
Sure, sure. So, you are likely to maintain your 10% kind of margins in this financial year as well as next financial year?
Sunil Kumar
Right.
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Sunil Kumar
Okay, okay. Yeah, understandably in the quarter three because of revenue slippage your EBITDA must be down right
now. And on the tax front the Rs. 15 crore liability you will be providing over what period of time?
Sunil Kumar
Okay, so 4 crore --
Sunil Kumar
Sir second quarter how much you had provided additional?
Sunil Kumar
Okay. So four plus four, 8 crore you have already provided.
Sunil Kumar
Okay. Right, sir. Thank you. Thank you so much.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is from Rishi Iyer from Citigroup. Please go ahead.
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Analyst
Hello, sir. This is Deepal here.
Analyst
Sir this order inflow coming from the earlier question, sir I am a little surprised because none of these orders seem to be
having announced on the stock exchange which is usually the case with Nagarjuna. And when we met in January you
said that your order in flow was 3,800 crores till date, so where has this additional 2,000 crores order come from sir?
Analyst
But sir now your guidance of order inflow for the full year is now 13,000 crores.
Analyst
Sir, in the Nelcast prospect, once the FC is done, how much equity investments we need to put over the next two years?
Analyst
And sir, how are we planning to fund it?
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
See our first aim is to see that we achieve financial closure. At the HU financial closure we require about 35% of equity
to be brought into the table, which means our share of equity requirement for the financial closure at the FPV level will
be about 250 to 300 crores. Out of which, 150 crores we already invested. So the balance 100 crore we invest from our
internal sources in the next two to three months in HU financial closure. And later on over a period of three years, three
to 3.5 years the balance equity has to come into the project.
That we are having some long-term plans like equity dilution at our holding company that is NCC Infra level and
various other plans are there. And based on that we will be providing the equity as and when required. And you also to
keep in mind that NCC is getting the EPC Contract of the order of about 4,500 crores or so which means nearly 450
crores of profit is also going to be earned by us. Now on the EPC Contract. So whatever profit we generate on the EPC,
we are planning to invest in the equity.
Analyst
Okay. And sir the last question is more on the balance sheet side you mentioned your debt number sir, could we have
your working capital details sir please as of today? The debtors inventory, creditors numbers and stuff like that?
Analyst
Working capital.
Analyst
No sir the whole, all the details sir. Debtors, inventory.
Analyst
Okay.
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Analyst
1,529 cores, okay.
Analyst
2,553 cores, okay.
Analyst
Okay.
Analyst
2,068 crores.
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Analyst
So sir, when we say that we will put in another additional 150 crores by March end from our internal sources.
Analyst
And you have cash of only 100 crores as of now, any plans of how we are going to do that?
Analyst
But sir, that number would have reflected in your cash balance?
Analyst
So that's what I am saying, if you have generated about 100 crores till date and you need 150 crores by the year-end,
right, additional 150 crores to be invested, then where will the money come from?
Analyst
Okay.
Operator
Excuse me. I am sorry to interrupt. Ma'am, please come back.
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Analyst
I'll come back. Yeah, thank you so much.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is from Sujit Jain from Asian Market Securities. Please go ahead.
Analyst
Sir regarding this Nelcast project, are we also looking at Chinese players to supply BTG components?
Analyst
One here is that in this current budget maybe that import duties will be imposed on capital goods. In that case, we
would probably miss the opportunity since our financial closure will be over only by March?
Analyst
And, sir the coal linkage, have we taken approval from the ministry and as well as MoEF?
Analyst
Okay. And the other question is on Dubai project. We said that by December, we will completing six stories. So what is
the development there?
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Our work is going on. We are deliberately doing it as a slow manner because it doesn't make any sense to speed up the
process. So now, we are targeting by March to April 2011, the six floors of tower one will be completed.
Analyst
What are the funding details for that project sir so far?
Analyst
Okay. And sir, could you give me consolidated debt levels?
Analyst
Okay. And apart from Vrindavan and Bangalore project, any other project in road duties have started?
Analyst
Okay. And what kind of connections we've reached in Bangalore elevated project?
Analyst
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Okay. And how much of equity or loan advances so far we have invested in all our elected projects.
Analyst
How much of that is equity and how much of that is in terms of loans and advances, roughly?
Analyst
And how much would you've invested in road projects so far?
Analyst
Okay sir. That's it from my side. Thanks.
Operator
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, participants are requested to limit their questions to two per participant. The next
question is from Pramod Amte from RBS. Please go ahead.
Pramod Amte
Sir, this is with regard to your past power project, where you had a trouble. Since you have gone with a Nelcast, do you
have to take that effect in your balance sheet?
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Now, we have taken as the matter afresh with the Ministry of Environment and Forest and we are holding on to the
land, that land will not go anywhere. So, we'll not take any hit on the books of the company. And with the approval of
the lender, some of the project related expenditures that we have incurred for the Sompeta Power Project, we are now
transferring it to Nelcast Power Project. So, we are not taking any hit as far as the Sompeta project is concerned.
Pramod Amte
Okay. And sir coming back to this quarter, if I look at on your top-line, you have increased hardly by around 130
crores, whereas your employee costs have gone up by almost around 30 crores, the labor cost.
Pramod Amte
Yeah, third quarter versus the second quarter. Your top-line has gone up only by around --
Pramod Amte
Yeah.
Pramod Amte
Right, right. So, there is nothing significant change in the employee cost?
Pramod Amte
Sir, is there a significant charge anything in the labor cost or it's normal looking?
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Pramod Amte
Okay.
Pramod Amte
Okay. Sure sir. Thanks.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is from Madan Gopal from Sundaram Mutual Fund. Please go ahead.
Madan Gopal
Good evening, sir.
Madan Gopal
Sir, what is the cost of this project Nelcast project now estimated?
Madan Gopal
Total project cost estimated.
Madan Gopal
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
7,000 crores.
Madan Gopal
Sir, if 7,000 crores. Okay. When is comes to the EPC side, which are the areas that we can do ourselves internally?
Madan Gopal
In BOP, except for civil construction of the building, main building.
Madan Gopal
I mean power house buildings, can we do any other stuff like can we do anything related to cash handling or something
like that?
Madan Gopal
So only, you will get the equipment from the equipment suppliers and you will do the civil work yourself?
Madan Gopal
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Are you talking about any of the BOP companies in this regard due to supply equipments?
Madan Gopal
Yeah, yeah, we are talking to Chinese companies. In fact, we have almost finalized it for our Sompeta power project
the equipment supplier. The same supplier will now supply to Nelcast.
Madan Gopal
So, the BOP equipment also Chinese are much competitive compared to the Indians.
Madan Gopal
Okay, okay. Thank you, sir. Thanks for taking my questions.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is form Sachin Relekar from Tata Mutual Fund. Please go ahead.
Sachin Relekar
Sir, you said you paid 270 crore for Nelcast, like how much premium you paid to the Nelcast Energy there?
Sachin Relekar
Okay. And secondly sir you mentioned that now the most of the orders are not pending for any of the clearances, I
mean there are factors which impacted your revenue basically for nine months. Are there still some pending issues like
do you see now execution going forward will be much smoother as compared to what expect for the regulatory issues
which is not in anybody's control there?
Sachin Relekar
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Okay. And sir you mentioned that ITC orders, two orders which you have not declared so far and the financial closure
is pending, I just want to clarify like the financial closure is pending on the client side or you are not closed those?
Sachin Relekar
So, client financial closure is still to be done.
Sachin Relekar
Okay, okay. That's all from my side, thank you.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is from Vikas Verma from B&K Securities. Please go ahead.
Vikas Verma
Thanks. My almost all the questions have been answered.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is from Kalpesh Gothi from Wallfort Financial Services Limited. Please go ahead.
Kalpesh Gothi
Good morning sir. Sir, international fund, what's your revenue target for the FY11 and FY12?
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Kalpesh Gothi
Okay. And what is your order inflow for the division nine month for the international side?
Kalpesh Gothi
Okay sir. So, we are going to the international side?
Kalpesh Gothi
Okay. And sir, we have talked about the tax liability for the IT rate close to 15 crore and we have already booked 8
crore. So, in fourth quarter, we likely to book 7 crore?
Kalpesh Gothi
Okay, okay. Thank you, sir.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is from Abhinav Bhandari from Elara Capital. Please go ahead.
Abhinav Bhandari
Hi, sir. Good evening. Could you just give the nine months performance of Dubai, Oman and NCC Urban?
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Abhinav Bhandari
Yeah.
Abhinav Bhandari
Sir, any update on our Pondicherry project, road project?
Abhinav Bhandari
And Himachal Sorang how is the progress, how much of equity have gone in?
Abhinav Bhandari
How much project would have been completed now, percentage?
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
See total cost is 600 to 700 crores now, out of which, I think 450 to 475 crores has been completed.
Abhinav Bhandari
And could you just give the investment figures from the balance sheet?
Abhinav Bhandari
Pardon, can you come back with this?
Abhinav Bhandari
Since March '10 you are saying?
Abhinav Bhandari
There is only 100 crores in our balance sheet, is it standalone?
Abhinav Bhandari
Yeah, so this...
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Abhinav Bhandari
No, no. I am saying NCC standalone business, the balance sheet investment figure what it would be like?
Abhinav Bhandari
Out of it, I believe 370 is in gross.
Abhinav Bhandari
Power would be how much sir?
Abhinav Bhandari
Which would be how much roughly?
Abhinav Bhandari
That's it from side sir. Thanks.
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Yeah. Welcome.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is from Anshul Chavan from Graffle. Please go ahead.
Analyst
Good evening, sir.
Analyst
Just wanted to ask, can you throw some light on why being the slow pace of construction, that is implementation of
NHDP projects in general, not only of your company but in general, what's the scenario?
Analyst
NHDP.
Analyst
National Highway Development Program.
Analyst
Okay. And sir in terms of awarding, I suppose that till Jan, we have already awarded some 4,500 kilometers. By the end
of '10-'11, how much do you expect would be awarded in this program?
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Analyst
Okay. Sir, how many of your old projects are in RFP and RFQ?
Analyst
Okay. Thank you so much.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is from Teena Virmani from Kotak Securities. Please go ahead.
Teena Virmani
My question has been answered, sir. Thanks a lot.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is from Ashish Shah from IDFC Securities. Please go ahead.
Ashish Shah
Yeah. Good afternoon, sir.
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Good afternoon.
Ashish Shah
Sir, I just wanted to dwell a little bit more on the receivables that we are saying that we get daily, you are seeing some
delay. So, who would be these clients if you would like to say and in how much time do you expect to receive the
money?
Ashish Shah
And how much of that be sir in contract?
Ashish Shah
If you could quantify the same sir?
Ashish Shah
Okay.
Ashish Shah
Sir, what the visibility on these receivables coming down in the near future? I mean do you expect that some concrete
developments have taken place, because of which in the next one month or so, these receivables could come down or
this could drag on for long time?
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Ashish Shah
And sir, in case of your own road projects, you are saying that some receivables are slow to come by even in gross
projects. So, what is the reason really, because --
Ashish Shah
Okay. But there is no issue of delayed receivables from...
Ashish Shah
It's only delayed execution?
Ashish Shah
Right. Okay sir. Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is from Pankaj Chopra from Shanti AMC. Please go ahead.
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Pankaj Chopra
Yeah. Thank you for taking my question. Sir, my question is more relating to the environment. Can you tell me... can
you tell us how is the situation changing in various states in terms of being more favorable for your execution in
various segments and various states? And what is the cause... it will be in the... I can follow with my second question
after this.
Pankaj Chopra
Sir, I appreciate your answer and maybe this answer would have been same may be a year ago, because the long-term
story, what everyone talks about in this sense. My question was more specific about the recent timeframe. I believe and
this is the understanding we get by reading, talking to other people in the same business that there has been log jam of
decision taking in the bureaucracy on various segments and sectors. This was now for various reasons of corruption et
cetera, have you foreseen that and is that... do you think its becoming a hindrance in for your execution?
Pankaj Chopra
No sir and it's not worth. It's delaying decision-making at the bureaucratic level.
Pankaj Chopra
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
So, let me put in another way, sir. So you said that, there was loss of revenue, because you were not able to complete or
there were certain issues because of which there was revenue loss, which is not really your fault.
Pankaj Chopra
Yes. Now, so shall we say that the company was not able manage the situation not in the monsoon, monsoon is not
dependent but the other issues like clearances.
Pankaj Chopra
Yes.
Pankaj Chopra
Correct.
Pankaj Chopra
Right.
Pankaj Chopra
Right.
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Pankaj Chopra
Yeah. I agree with you, sir. So and my understanding is that, that position is worsening for many contractors and you
don't seem to be giving us the same opinion.
Pankaj Chopra
Yes.
Pankaj Chopra
Okay. Alright. Thank you very much. I don't have any others.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is from Sumeet Agrawal from MetLife. Please go ahead.
Sumeet Agrawal
Sir, I am done with my question. Thanks a lot sir.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is from Vibhor Singhal from Alchemy Shares. Please go ahead.
Vibhor Singhal
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Good evening, sir. Just a quick question. In the wake of the increase in raw material prices, I mean are we seeing a cost
or basically a drop in our margins or is it something we see pressure on our margins?
Vibhor Singhal
Correct sir. But going forward, are we... these are margin pressures or maybe there was also some news that there was
some shortage of labor also in AP?
Vibhor Singhal
Okay.
Vibhor Singhal
Okay. Fair enough. Sir, the... just the last thing, in the order book, I mean how much of the share of the contracts would
be fixed price contract if we have any at all?
Vibhor Singhal
Escalation norms. Okay.
Vibhor Singhal
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Vibhor Singhal
So, the 80% is probably the price one the price of escalation loss.
Vibhor Singhal
Okay. Fine. Thanks a lot sir. Thank you so much.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is from Shailesh Kanani from Angel Broking. Please go ahead.
Shailesh Kanani
Thanks for taking my question, sir. I have couple of questions, one on the revenue front. Can you give me the breakup
of the third quarter revenue segment wise?
Shailesh Kanani
Yeah.
Shailesh Kanani
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
On a standalone basis.
Shailesh Kanani
Okay. Sir, the reason I am asking this question is I believe second quarter dues from AP government very marginal,
like 25-30 crores and this quarter has gone to 320 crores. And the contribution from the irrigation segment to the 2Q
revenues were also marginal. So, have the book been started at AP aggressively on the irrigation front? Can you throw
some light on that?
Shailesh Kanani
So, it's 320 crores, right?
Shailesh Kanani
130 crores?
Shailesh Kanani
Okay, okay. So nearly 100 crores which I was wondering. Okay, sir. Sir, one more question on the order book front.
Sir, have you seen any order cancellations in this quarter?
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Shailesh Kanani
Because if I do simple maths, there will be difference around 250 crores in the order inflow and considering the order
book what we had in last quarter. There are no cancellations as such, right?
Shailesh Kanani
Okay. So, there no cancellation as such?
Shailesh Kanani
Thanks a lot, sir. That's all I have.
Operator
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will take one last question from Atul Rastogi from Daiwa Capital. Please go
ahead.
Atul Rastogi
Yeah. Good evening, sir. Thanks for taking my question. One was on your revenue, you said revenue forecast for next
year, considering that your order book now is almost 40, 38% buildings, do you think the pace of execution should
significantly pick up and you could actually beat your focus, especially if you get some of the power points and above?
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Atul Rastogi
But has your I mean average time for the order book, has it come down, average execution cycle because it has moved,
the order book has moved towards buildings, I think?
Atul Rastogi
Okay.
Atul Rastogi
Okay. Sir, just one last questions on the power project. Sir, total project costs 7, 000 crores and EPC is around
4000-4,500.
Atul Rastogi
So, the difference is entirely IDC and --
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Atul Rastogi
Okay. But land has been totally acquired, I thought.
Atul Rastogi
So, that is already in the 250 cores that you've paid?
Atul Rastogi
Okay. Okay. That's all from my side.
Operator
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that was the last question. I would now like to hand over the conference back to Mr.
Dhiren Tiwari for closing comments.
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Company Name: Nagarjuna Construction Market Cap: 25,902.13 Bloomberg Estimates - EPS
Company Ticker: NJCC IN Current PX: 100.95 Current Quarter: N.A.
Date: 2011-02-04 YTD Change($): -39.75 Current Year: 10.708
Event Description: Q3 2011 Earnings Call YTD Change(%): -28.252 Bloomberg Estimates - Sales
Current Quarter: N.A.
Current Year: 67568.750
Operator
Thank you. On behalf of Motilal Oswal Securities Limited, that concludes this conference call. Thank you for joining
us and you may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.
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