2011.04.25 How Do I Get Students Doing Mathematics Instead of Just Learning About Mathematics

@ColinTGraham Hello everyone and welcome to today's #mathchat
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@ColinTGraham Today's topic is "How do I get students doing mathematics instead of

just learning about mathematics?" #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:34:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62600352821809152
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@davidwees RT @ColinTGraham: Today's topic is "How do I get students doing

mathematics instead of just learning
arning about mathematics?" #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:34:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62600474490191873 - #7
@ColinTGraham Last time we sort of got somewhere, so let's see if we can pin some
ideas down this time around! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:35:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62600521042755584 - #8
@davidwees Non-math
math teachers are welcome to participate in #mathchat.
#mathchat #edchat
Mon Apr 25 19:35:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62600644346912768 - #9
@PeacockMaths #mathchat - often after learning the maths first.

Mon Apr 25 19:35:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62600680329846785 - #10
@chris_1974 RT @davidwees: Non-math

Non math teachers are welcome to participate in
#mathchat. #edchat
Mon Apr 25 19:35:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62600711518695424 - #11
@ColinTGraham First, let's throw out some short sentences "Mathematicians..." or "Doing
mathematics is about..." to get some ideas focused! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:36:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62600816535674880 - #12
@davidwees @ColinTGraham
inTGraham Did we define "doing mathematics" last
Thursday.#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:36:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62600836307619840 - #13
Monday, 25th April 2011How

How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics? (2)
@bucharesttutor Teach S's the relevance of Math in education, in real life n then making
them realise the importance of Math #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:36:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62600845832884224 - #14
@chris_1974 #mathchat doing maths is about solving problems.

Mon Apr 25 19:36:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62600897888391168 - #15
@mathonthemind #mathchat I have recently been having students working on a Scale

Factor Project. Drawing larger pictures from a small one. I blogged it.
Mon Apr 25 19:36:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62600943711174656 - #16
@ColinTGraham @davidwees We were still playing about with that, I think, David!
#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:36:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62600994164441088 - #17
@mathonthemind #mathchat Here's the blog

post.http://educationallyminded.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/scale
http://educationallyminded.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/scale-factor-project/
project/
Mon Apr 25 19:37:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62601056865095680 - #18
@PeacockMaths #mathchat mathematicians solve problems.

Mon Apr 25 19:37:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62601095393980416 - #19
@ColinTGraham @mathonthemind OK, thanks. I'll extract links later in one place in the
archive so people can check them out. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:37:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62601214617063424 - #20
@EmergentMath Make math an outward process as much as an internal process. -->

Community/school projects. Presentations to the community. Etc. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:37:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62601224586936320
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@davidwees "Doing mathematics" to me means either using mathematics to solve real

problems OR doing what mathematicians
mathematicia do: explore math #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:37:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62601225748758529 - #22
@mathonthemind #mathchat Applying math to real life is not always the answer. Life is
different for each person out there.
Mon Apr 25 19:37:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62601232879075328 - #23
@chris_1974 #mathchat.. Mathematicians play. With numbers, algebra, problems.

Mon Apr 25 19:38:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62601366119518210 - #24
@harrisonalg #mathchat Mathematicians can use multiple pathways to solve tasks, and
explain how they work.
Mon Apr 25 19:38:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62601467864952832 - #25

@ColinTGraham Let's try to keep on task for a few minutes... before we get into broader
discussions... ;-) #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:38:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62601471958589441 - #26
@davidwees @EmergentMath Good ideas. I'll use those ideas next year for sure! Share
the math to the community. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:38:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62601493315989504 - #27
@mathonthemind #mathchat I think that 'doing math'' means letting students the ability to
explore it and see what is going on.
Mon Apr 25 19:39:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62601520688021504 - #28
@MrReidWSS @ColinTGraham @davidwees Get students involved in doing Real World

problems that they can relate to #mathchat #edchat
Mon Apr 25 19:39:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62601525175914496 - #29
@bucharesttutor They also play

play with shapes, figures n pictures RT
@chris_1974:#mathchat.. Mathematicians play. With numbers, algebra, problems.
Mon Apr 25 19:39:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62601562639437824 - #30
@ColinTGraham @PeacockMaths And mathematicians look for problems to

solve#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:39:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62601601940074496 - #31
@reflectivemaths Doing mathematics is about solving problems. It _is_ that

generic.#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:39:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62601620210450432 - #32
@chris_1974 @bucharesttutor yup. play with pattern. #mathchat

Mon Apr 25 19:39:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62601675382333441
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@janebouey RT @davidwees: "Doing mathematics" to me means either using

mathematics to solve real problems OR doing
doing what mathematicians do: explore math #mathchat
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 19:40:08 +0000 - tweet id 62601808312406016 - #34
@shyj Sometimes kids don't even know they are doing math. May be better to let them
solve a prob then show them the math behind the prob #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:40:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62601871583494144 - #35
@ColinTGraham Doing mathematics is

is about defining, describing or quantifying the
universe #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:40:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62601903229517824 - #36
@chris_1974 @ColinTGraham #mathchat

Mon Apr 25 19:40:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62601914008862720 - #37

@onealchris @davidwees #mathchat I think math students should
ould be mathematicians,
just like science students should really be little scientists!
Mon Apr 25 19:40:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62601936700047360 - #38
@ColinTGraham @shyj So that would mean doing mathematics is about

exploring...#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:40:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62602015129354240 - #39
@chris_1974 @shyj Absolutely agree. Do mathematical thinking, not just "do

maths".#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:41:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62602070645145601 - #40
@bucharesttutor @chris_1974
@chris_1974 yes so pictorial wise Math can be better taught #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:41:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62602098256261121 - #41
@ColinTGraham @onealchris @davidwees This is why it's important to define what

mathematicians do, so we can translate it into the classroom #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:41:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62602202434371584 - #42
@republicofmath Mathematicians
maticians do not just solve problems-
problems often experiment. See V.
Arnold's latest book #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:41:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62602232201363456 - #43
@mathonthemind RT @davidwees: "Doing mathematics" to me means either using

mathematics to solve real problems OR doing what mathematicians do: explore math#mathchat
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 19:41:54 +0000 - tweet id 62602249750319104 - #44
@shyj @ColinTGraham Yes, exploring and looking for the connections. School do the
reverse and scare kids off #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:42:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62602279093678080 - #45
@mathonthemind RT @shyj: Sometimes kids don't even know they are doing math. May
be better to let them solve a prob then show them the math behind the prob#mathchat
prob
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 19:42:01 +0000 - tweet id 62602282486870016 - #46
@reflectivemaths #mathchat Let's not get hung up on *real life* - that is _not_ all that
maths is about.. I like stats but I also enjoy a little pure maths
Mon Apr 25 19:42:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62602383385042944 - #47
@ColinTGraham Mathematicians ask "what if...?" and then try it out to see what happens
#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:42:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62602397003948032 - #48
@mathonthemind RT @shyj: @ColinTGraham Yes, exploring and looking for the

connections. School do the reverse and scare kids off #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:42:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62602472274931712 - #49

@shyj Math needs to be taught in context that it is used, not in isolation. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:42:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62602478662844416 - #50
@republicofmath Wish @jamestanton were in on this conversation #mathchat

Mon Apr 25 19:42:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62602488204894209 - #51
@davidwees @reflectivemaths Lots of pure mathematics has relevance in the real world.
#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:42:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62602492827017216 - #52
@bucharesttutor Math is not only about problem solving but also about the analytical n
thinking abilities of a student #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:43:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62602550481915904 - #53
@mathhombre #InsteadofKhan:
#InsteadofKhan genuine problem-solving.
solving. collaboration.
#edchat#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:43:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62602570169987072 - #54
@ColinTGraham @reflectivemaths Agreed. Doing mathematics in the real world needs to

be relevant, but not all mathematics has (real) application #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:43:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62602700948385792 - #55
@shyj @ColinTGraham Which is what we want kids to do right? Inquire, ask questions,
experiment, find answers #mathchat
#mathch
Mon Apr 25 19:43:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62602706061230080 - #56
@republicofmath In my experience the thing that excites #mathematicians is hidden

unexpected connections - what's going on? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:43:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62602755914727426 - #57
@chris_1974 @ColinTGraham and ask "Why does that happen, and does that *always*
happen. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:44:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62602795299254272 - #58
@ColinTGraham So doing mathematics can be like being an artist, in a different medium

RT @mathinyourfeet: @ColinTGraham -- so do artists! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:44:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62602866342367234 - #59
@ColinTGraham @republicofmath Mathematicians make connections and get excited

exci
about new discoveries #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:45:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603029970554882 - #60
@republicofmath @shyj What if the context is number theory? Does it have to applicable,
e,,g to coding? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:45:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603039781044224 - #61

@cherrylkd "@shyj: Math needs to be taught in context that it is used, not in
isolation.#mathchat"" < agreed. Take them out and use it if possible
Mon Apr 25 19:45:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603158576304129 - #62
@ColinTGraham Mathematicians are elegant in how they communicate their

findings#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:45:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603164674826240 - #63
@republicofmath Teachers - how often do YOU "do mathematics"? #mathchat

Mon Apr 25 19:45:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603229799780352 - #64
@shyj @bucharesttutor Analysis is so important, and starting kids off in math will
hopefully transfer to other areas as well. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:45:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603234203807744
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@kristigrande RT @bucharesttutor: Math is not only about problem solving but also
about the analytical n thinking abilities of a student #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:45:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603254697164800 - #66
@ColinTGraham And sometimes that context is further mathematics. RT @shyj: Math

needs to be taught in context that it is used, not in isolation. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:46:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603322972045312 - #67
@republicofmath You need to get out out more often!! @ColinTGraham Mathematicians are
elegant in how they communicate their findings #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:46:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603404123443200 - #68
@honeypisquared @republicofmath Universal answer 'not enough'? #mathchat

Mon Apr 25 19:46:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603445160525824 - #69
@shyj @republicofmath Theory should always be applicable

applicable as well. It's the foundation of
new thoughts and ideas. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:46:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603479499288576 - #70
@mathonthemind #mathchat I have thought about having students go stand behind a

cash register and help with counting money back.
Mon Apr 25 19:46:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603493717970944 - #71
@davidwees @republicofmath I used mathematics recently as part of an animation I'm

building to construct simulations of information transfer. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:47:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603532855021568 - #72
@mathonthemind #mathchat Real life is counting money. Is that what we are looking for
with 'doing math'?
Mon Apr 25 19:47:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603595564060672 - #73

@ColinTGraham Doing maths is about finding and defining limits #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:47:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603644620640256 - #74
@republicofmath @shyj @cherrylkd Applications are not the be all & end all
of#mathematics #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:47:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603700321009664 - #75
@shyj @republicofmath The thing is everyone "does math" all day long, we just don't
realize it. Ts need to help kids "realize it." #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:47:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603744315056128 - #76
@bucharesttutor Mathematicians need to b more artistic, creative n indulge in more

practical examples
amples than just some prob solving in class #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:47:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603781531119616 - #77
@mosquitomax #mathchat pattern-meisters

Mon Apr 25 19:48:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603827043508224 - #78
@davidwees @republicofmath @shyj @cherrylkd But they are an easy entry point into
relevance. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:48:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603840414945281 - #79
@ColinTGraham @mathonthemind
@mathonthemind I think I would class that as doing counting, or
arithmetic or sums.... not doing maths #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:48:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603864507027456 - #80
@debwhite RT @davidwees: "Doing mathematics" to me means either using

mathematics to solve real problems OR doing what mathematicians do: explore
ex math#mathchat
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 19:48:23 +0000 - tweet id 62603882982936576 - #81
@maxmathforum #mathchat so sad to miss this chat. Making an online course to support
college kids doing math with middle-schoolers.
middle TTY next week!
Mon Apr 25 19:48:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603927845208064 - #82
@republicofmath @shyj When G,. Hardy did number theory it wasn't applicable. Now
turns out it is. Who decides? Who is wise enough? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:49:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62604058166435840 - #83
@bucharesttutor @shyj yes an in depth analysis of the students strong areas needs to
be researched n then emphasise on it further #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:49:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62604124633575424 - #84
@ColinTGraham @maxmathforum
maxmathforum You can at least catch up on the archive, now I've
sorted out how I'm going to do it! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:49:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62604169130946560 - #85

@mathhombre #mathchat:
#mathchat doing math = processes for me - problem-
problem
solving/reasoning/representing/communicating/connecting
Mon Apr 25 19:49:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62604210906210304 - #86
@davidwees @republicofmath A huge % of the math we teach is taught in such a way as

to make it irrelevant for our students. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:49:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62604268884078592
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@shyj @republicofmath The brave thinkers are wise enough - the risk takers, which is
what I would like Ss to be #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:50:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62604315772203008 - #88
@ColinTGraham Some foundations need to be laid RT @mathonthemind:

@ColinTGraham What do you consider 'doing math'? How would you help that out?#mathchat
out?
Mon Apr 25 19:50:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62604339050586112 - #89
@mathhombre #mathchat:
#mathchat: we need good verb definitions for those as the NCTM verbage
is lacking. Other groups have better?
Mon Apr 25 19:50:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62604426011090944 - #90
@republicofmath How often do kids in your class do #math projects of their choosing?
#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:50:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62604482931994626 - #91
@decisionstats RT @republicofmath:
republicofmath: How often do kids in your class do #mathprojects
of their choosing? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:51:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62604546278572032 - #92
@ColinTGraham @mathonthemind So counting money, for example, could be used to

explore
ore number bonds... that'd be "doing maths" for me. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:51:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62604592541741056 - #93
@shyj @ColinTGraham @mathonthemind What might be some foundations you would

have laid? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:51:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62604707662807040 - #94
@republicofmath @shyj Sorry - meant who is wise enough to know what will turn out to
be applicable and "useful"? No one I know. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:51:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62604774134120448 - #95
@EmergentMath Teachers and students should define together early on what a "good"
math solution looks like. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:52:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62604902601474048 - #96
@shyj @davidwees @republicofmath I wonder if part of that is because Ts don't see the
connections. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:52:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62604954136875008 - #97
@mathonthemind @decisionstats How would you present the diff. options to Ss? How
often do kids in your class do #math projects of their choosing? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:52:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605020364935168 - #98
@republicofmath That's what I'm thinking K-20K 20 @davidwees huge % of math we teach is
taught in such way as to make it irrelevant for our students #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:53:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605064614850560 - #99
@ColinTGraham @EmergentMath I think gettinggetting students to define what they think maths
is about, as we are, should be done regularly too! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:53:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605067185954816 - #100
@mathhombre #mathchat - any good videos of people doing math? @jamestanton

comes to mind, but that's still mostly a presentation. (Good ones!)
Mon Apr 25 19:53:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605179857547265 - #101
@shyj @republicofmath Me either, but that's the beauty of thinking and dreaming, isn't it?
#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:53:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605181107441664 - #102
@GingerTPLC What would be an "everyday uses of triangles" math project in grade 6-7?
6
What could they do? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:53:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605259159248896 - #103
@d_martin05 I think to convince students that math is important we need to stop thinking
that math is a page out of a textbook #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:53:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605293107945473 - #104
@earlsamuelson RT @ColinTGraham Mathematicians ask "what if...?" and then try it out
to see what happens #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:54:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605297348378624 - #105
@ColinTGraham @mathonthemind Role play as shopkeepers, yes. Also how many ways
can you give me £1.53 using coins, etc. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:54:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605327308304385 - #106
@shyj @ColinTGraham @EmergentMath I would love to hear their responses to that

prompt! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:54:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605346925068288 - #107
@mathhombre #mathchat Because math can be so useful, I think it's possible to

overemphasize usefulness. Don't do that with lit, history, social studies
Mon Apr 25 19:55:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605598323253248 - #108

@cherrylkd @mathonthemind #mathchat I do this all the time. School has an enterprise
shop where they sell own goods they've made.
Mon Apr 25 19:55:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605626114711552 - #109
@ColinTGraham @GingerTPLC I'd get them to build towers using straws #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:55:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605627469471744 - #110
@shyj @earlsamuelson @ColinTGraham Which is why I love

this:http://www.mathpickle.com/K--12/Videos.html
12/Videos.html Kids play, experim &ask what if#mathchat
if
Mon Apr 25 19:55:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605706305613824 - #111
@d_martin05 I do agree with you Colin, math needs to be kept in a real world context,
NOT a pseudo context #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:55:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605707249332224 - #112
@earlsamuelson RT @republicofmath How often do kids in your class do #mathprojects

of their choosing? #mathchat not as often as I would like
Mon Apr 25 19:56:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605804192280577 - #113
@d_martin05 @mathhombre but if students

students don't understand the application they will
have no drive to solve the problem #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:56:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605828728954880 - #114
@msokeeffe @republicofmath every term students choose a project they develop for 9
weeks. Math Circle picks any topic to develop for exhibit #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:56:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605870483259393 - #115
@ColinTGraham @shyj @EmergentMath The key, for me, is to keep returning to

definitions, don't just do them as one-offs.
one Change them w/experience #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:56:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605927437701120 - #116
@shyj Shoot! Starting to storm again. May need to shut down soon :( #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:56:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605967828856832 - #117
@harrisonalg #mathchat Math has to be believable...able to be held in one's eyes, mind,

and hands. It has to make sense.
Mon Apr 25 19:56:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606039719227392
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@GingerTPLC @colintgraham Please understand, I'm ignorant here. How is that

everyday life? Are there towers
ers made of triangles? #mathchat #seriousQ
Mon Apr 25 19:57:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606058505506816 - #119
@davidwees @msokeeffe I like that idea too. Lots of great ideas for making math more
relevant. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:57:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606167498698752 - #120

@ColinTGraham @d_martin05 We also have to recognize that sometimes the 'real world'
context is going to be mathematics itself, or the classroom! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:57:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606170367594496 - #121
@mathhombre RT @shyj: @earlsamuelson @ColinTGraham Which is why I love

this:http://www.mathpickle.com/K--12/Videos.html
12/Videos.html Kids play, experim &ask what if#mathchat
if
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 19:57:35 +0000 - tweet id 62606200075845632 - #122
@cherrylkd @davidwees @republicofmath @shyj #mathchat My students are SEN so

real context is best for them
Mon Apr 25 19:57:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606247135948800 - #123
@republicofmath Videos at http://www.msri.org @mathhombre #mathchat - any good

videos of people doing math?
Mon Apr 25 19:57:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606256778641408 - #124
@shyj @ColinTGraham @EmergentMath Okay, I'm dumb..what are "one-offs?"#mathchat

"one
Mon Apr 25 19:57:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606285262159872 - #126
@ColinTGraham @GingerTPLC Triangles are the basis of support in structures... ask any
engineer! #mathchat #seriousQ
Mon Apr 25 19:58:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606340736024576 - #127
@GingerTPLC @colintgraham hmm. Maybe bridges? What

else?#trianglesineverydaymath #mathchat #seriousQ
Mon Apr 25 19:58:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606414857773056 - #128
@mathonthemind @gingertplc Building bridges would be real life. What other ways do
we use triangles? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:58:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606447002923010 - #129
@shyj @EmergentMath @ColinTGraham That is an excellent practice and much more

valuable for Ss. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:58:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606483472396288 - #130
@republicofmath Cell towers @GingerTPLC Are there towers made of

triangles?#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:58:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606486433570816 - #131
@davidwees @ColinTGraham @GingerTPLC And some of those triangles are in the

internal force lines inside buildings. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:58:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606487285018625 - #132
@chris_1974 Real world is sometimes too complx for mathematical analysis

analy in classroom.
If we model, we should be explicit about assumptions. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:58:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606507652562944 - #133

@ColinTGraham @shyj @EmergentMath "One-off" "One off" is do it once and forget it... Oh we
defined that in 5th grade / Yr4 we don't need to do it again... #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:59:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606592960495616 - #134
@shyj @cherrylkd @davidwees @republicofmath When it comes to math I think real

context is better for most kids (and adults). #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:59:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606634886766592 - #135
@shyj @ColinTGraham @EmergentMath Got cha! Thanks! #mathchat

Mon Apr 25 19:59:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606714779869184 - #136
@d_martin05 students who do not need a reason to learn math will be the ones
WANTING to learn the theory, for others context is crucial #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:59:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606779732865024 - #137
@republicofmath To whom & how do you tell? @harrisonalg #mathchat Math has to be
believable, able to be held in one's eyes, mind, hands. Has to make sense.
Mon Apr 25 20:00:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606823299096576 - #138
@mathhombre RT @republicofmath: Videos at http://www.msri.org

@mathhombre#mathchat - any good
ood videos of people doing math?
Mon Apr 25 20:00:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606873030963201 - #139
@cherrylkd @ColinTGraham #mathchat my phone keeps crashing. Thanks for the bit I
managed to participate in though. Good stuff as always
Mon Apr 25 20:00:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606884573687808 - #140
@ColinTGraham @GingerTPLC I'd get your Ss to go out and take photos of triangles,
then ask why it's triangular #trianglesineverydaymath #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:00:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606892899381248 - #141
@debwhite @republicofmath Is there a site for K-12

K 12 teachers that has plans/resources for
#math projects? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:00:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606958737371136 - #142
@Scotian_teacher @mathonthemind @gingertplc #mathchat We use triangles in

carpentry. The old 3/4/5 triangle helps carpenters square their floors, & anything
Mon Apr 25 20:00:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607018766237696 - #143
@shyj @chris_1974 And visit those assumptions to clarify them so learning can take
place #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:01:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607070553309184 - #144
@republicofmath What is "real" for you may not be "real" for me, or for students. That's a
problem. @shyj #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:01:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607098655158273 - #145

@davidwees @republicofmath @shyj Yes, cultural relevance
relevance is an issue as well. What
alternative are you recommending? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:01:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607262371430400 - #146
@chris_1974 @shyj absolutely. What do we assume, why, is it reasonable,

etc..#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:02:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607318302470144 - #147
@harrisonalg @republicofmath #mathchat Good pt, but to the user. Mine needs to be
relevant to me, yours to you, perhaps both similar, but still mkg sense
Mon Apr 25 20:02:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607373973471232 - #148
@ColinTGraham OK, I think we are all reasonably agreed or clearer about what "doing
maths" is... let's broaden out to discuss doing it in class #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:02:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607406328328192 - #149
@republicofmath I think I'm going to build one @debwhite Is there a site for K-12
K
teachers that has plans/resources for #math projects? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:02:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607476348030979 - #150
@Saskateach I think
hink changing words can change our perspectives. Instead of doing math
what if we say being mathematicians. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:02:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607483629355008 - #151
@shyj @d_martin05 Wondering, do kids need to know math theory to understand how to
do math? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:02:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607495918657536 - #152
@mathhombre #mathchat what makes a relationship/result/pattern of interest to

mathematicians? Do we need to teach the aesthetics of math?
Mon Apr 25 20:02:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607533768056832
62607533768056 - #153
@EmergentMath Suggestion: students use triangles to build practice soccer goals for
your school. That would be "doing
ng math"! --> http://t.co/qOK #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:03:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607607696855040 - #155
@mathhombre #mathchat How do art educators teach what makes good art?
Mon Apr 25 20:03:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607653750312960 - #156
@chris_1974 @Saskateach i start school yr asking "whats the difference b/n being
b good
at maths, and being a good mathematician". #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:03:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607706422394880 - #157
@EmergentMath Suggestion: stdnts use triangles to build soccer goals for yr school. That
would be "doing math"! --> http://t.co/qOKYA4q
http://t.co/qOKYA #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:03:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607772352659456 - #158

@shyj @chris_1974 I love it when kids have to respond to "what is
reasonable?"#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:04:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607811804274689 - #159
@republicofmath Certainly discussing it would help @mathhombre #mathchat Do we

need to teach aesthetics of math?
Mon Apr 25 20:04:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607882885148672 - #160
@ColinTGraham @Saskateach That's the mindset, but we also need to be sure that Ss
have positive images of mathematicians! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:04:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607893509316609
626078935093 - #161
@mathonthemind When looking for triangles. Take the students out and take pictures of
triangles and why they are used where they are. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:04:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607995808395264 - #162
@chris_1974 @shyj good question! I'll have to remember that one. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:04:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62608016205295616 - #163
@EmergentMath @mathhombre Class discussion, debate, etc. Would be fun to try in a

math class to determine what's a "good" solution
so #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:04:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62608026577809409 - #164
@Saskateach @mathhombre There is a difference between studying the art of others and
creating your own. We can learn from both #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:05:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62608180332605440 - #165
@ColinTGraham @debwhite You’ll

You find some project work in Resources
http://bit.ly/cZopfH NCETM and NRICH are good places to start #math #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:05:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62608223429070849 - #166
@mathonthemind RT @EmergentMath: Suggestion: stdnts use trianglestriangles to build soccer

goals for yr school. That would be "doing math"! --> http://t.co/qOKYA4q#mathchat
#mathchat
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:05:46 +0000 - tweet id 62608258996768769 - #167
@danielespejo RT @EmergentMath: @mathhombre Class discussion, debate, etc.

Would be fun to try in a math class to determine what's a "good" solution #mathchat
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:06:10 +0000 - tweet id 62608357927817216 - #168
@shyj @davidwees @republicofmath I think that's the beauty of math, it crosses all
cultures. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:06:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62608431298772992 - #169
@padgets #mathchat Hi everybody! my name is SHaron and I am a HS science teacher

lurking and a learning :) sorry I am late
Mon Apr 25 20:06:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62608437963534337 - #170

@MrHonner Students and I often debate which solution is most elegant, most beautiful,
etc. Aesthetics is part of appreciation. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:07:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62608581043814400 - #171
@ColinTGraham @EmergentMath
@EmergentMath @mathhombre Many of us also like the idea of "being
less helpful" (@ddmeyer) or "Less us more them" (@garystager) #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:07:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62608583858196482
62608583858196 - #172
@debwhite @republicofmath That would be awesome! If you need a K-5

K consultant,
count me in! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:07:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62608597464522752 - #173
@ColinTGraham @padgets Hi Sharon, we'll let you off, there's still almost an hour
left!#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:07:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62608676141285376 - #174
@shyj @EmergentMath @mathhombre It may be fun to have a "mock trial" defending

your answer! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:07:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62608685922385920 - #175
@Scotian_teacher Letting students

students know how we can analyze complex situations with
math adds another layer to their mathematical understanding. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:07:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62608703853051904 - #176
@Saskateach Yes. If we expand definition of mathematician to people who use math

flexibly, creatively, elegantly in daily life we can all be #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:07:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62608726560997376 - #177
@mathonthemind RT @ColinTGraham: @EmergentMath @mathhombre Many of us

also like the idea of "being less helpful" (@ddmeyer) or "Less us more them" (@garystager)
#mathchat
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:07:44 +0000 - tweet id 62608753417125888 - #178
@republicofmath @jamestanton Turning "Learn to Think" course http://bit.ly/cVRWFNinto

online exp. Encourage art of intellectual play, what ifs. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:07:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62608756017606656 - #179
@debwhite @ColinTGraham Thanks for the link! #mathchat

Mon Apr 25 20:07:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62608764397817856 - #180
@thecorcoran RT @MrHonner: Students and I often debate which solution is most

elegant, most beautiful, etc. Aesthetics is part of appreciation. #mathchat
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:07:59 +0000 - tweet id 62608816411381760 - #181
@Saskateach RT @MrHonner: Students and I often debate which solution is most

elegant, most
st beautiful, etc. Aesthetics is part of appreciation. #mathchat
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:08:06 +0000 - tweet id 62608845440159744 - #182
@EmergentMath RT @ MrHonner Students and I often debate which solution is most

Mon Apr 25 20:08:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62608938645991424 - #183
@danielespejo When students do 'mathematics' are they actually taking part in authentic
disciplinary work, or something contrived for school? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:08:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62608957583278080 - #184
@davidwees @shyj @republicofmath Hrmm. There is a huge amount of cultural

references embedded in mathematics.
hematics. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:08:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62608961165209600 - #185
@ColinTGraham @debwhite Also for early years work,

@MariaDroujkova'shttp://bit.ly/e7CeDY
http://bit.ly/e7CeDY Natural math group is excellent for ideas #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:08:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62609004282650625 - #186
@kristigrande RT @MrHonner:
Honner: Students and I often debate which solution is most
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:08:45 +0000 - tweet id 62609008556646400
626090 - #187
@kristigrande RT @Saskateach: Yes. If we expand definition of mathematician to people

who use math flexibly,, creatively, elegantly in daily life we can all be #mathchat
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:08:57 +0000 - tweet id 62609058330460160 - #188
@republicofmath OK - you're in! @debwhite That would be awesome! If you need a K-5
K
consultant, count me in! #mathchat
mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:09:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62609099589820416 - #189
@elfrinka Math was dull until it had purpose beyond

beyond completing HW assignment. Calc=1st
x I saw useful/practical apps. By then too late 4 me. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:09:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62609201674985473 - #190
@ColinTGraham @danielespejo We have to ask ourselves if something is really

contrived 'for school' or to make learning/discovery easier too...
too.. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:09:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62609232595402753 - #191
@shyj @davidwees @republicofmath And what a neat thing for the Ss to explore and
compare/contrast! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:09:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62609308663287809
62609308 - #192
@padgets #mathchat like in science when

when teaching the math I do ask id anyone has a
different way to solve the problem great discussions happen
Mon Apr 25 20:09:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62609320558338048 - #193
@republicofmath @davidwees. Agree. Do not think #math is culture free. #mathchat

Mon Apr 25 20:10:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62609410140291072 - #194
@decisionstats RT @republicofmath: @davidwees. Agree. Do not think #math is culture

free. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:10:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62609569662238720 - #195
@shyj @ColinTGraham @debwhite @MariaDroujkova Wouldn't it b gr8 2 start off in the

early yrs teaching kids how to think mathematically?
ma #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:11:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62609644056621056 - #196
@mathhombre #mathchat Did an art/math festival that used rubric grading. Be fun to do
for just the math ... arguments/artifacts then voting.
Mon Apr 25 20:11:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62609674813448193 - #197
@republicofmath Never too late @elfrinka #mathchat

Mon Apr 25 20:11:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62609750688407552 - #198
@danielespejo @ColinTGraham I'm not questioning the usefulness of schl math but how
close is school math to what a mathematician does #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:11:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62609778475671552 - #199
@shyj @padgets and justify the answer....leads to all kinds of learning! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:11:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62609820804579328 - #200
@ColinTGraham And what about the maths involved in art too... RT

@mathhombre:#mathchat How do art educators teach what makes good art?
Mon Apr 25 20:12:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62609828681494529
62609828681 - #201
@MrHonner @republicofmath @davidwees Examples of math being culture dependent?

Are you talking about apps? Hard to see with pure math. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:12:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62609880611168256 - #202
@padgets @dakinane thank you! may I borrow? #mathchat :0)

Mon Apr 25 20:12:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62609882335035392 - #203
@EarlSamuelson RT @shyj: @ColinTGraham @debwhite @MariaDroujkova Wouldn't it

b gr8 2 start off in the early yrs teaching kids how to think mathematically?#mathchat
#mathchat
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:12:18 +0000 - tweet id 62609899917553665 - #204
@mathhombre #mathchat tho' sad to leave out the art. Would like more math artifacts
from students.
Mon Apr 25 20:12:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62609915000258560
6260 - #205
@padgets @shyj #mathchat yep

Mon Apr 25 20:12:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62609927755153408 - #206

@debwhite @ColinTGraham @MariaDroujkova Cool resources! Thanks so
much.#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:12:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62609948856680449 - #207
@Scotian_teacher @danielespejo @ColinTGraham #mathchat It depends on the teacher.

If the teacher trly understands math stdnts develop skills they'll use IRL
Mon Apr 25 20:13:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610196861681665 - #208
@shyj @ColinTGraham @danielespejo Most of the time I think

think math is contrived for
school and state assessments. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:13:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610201374756865 - #209
@ColinTGraham @danielespejo The same can be said of any school subject/activity... eg

sports, arts, music Important is having a vision of end... #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:13:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610210526736384 - #210
@mathhombre #mathchat Math in the City videos (Fosnot/Dolk) show students doing
math. Not online :(
Mon Apr 25 20:13:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610225789812736 - #211
@davidwees @MrHonner @republicofmath Look at ways multiplication, division, etc... are

done in other countries. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:13:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610310053363714 - #212
@ColinTGraham RT @EmergentMath: In the past, I've solicited student input to create a

class rubric. Ss define the categories and rating system. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:14:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610416563523584
62610 - #213
@republicofmath @MrHonner Very simple examples: number words in Maori are verbs;
counting in Hungarian quite
te different to Vietnamese. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:14:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610427204476928 - #214
@danielespejo @ColinTGraham that is a good point, but when I coach/teach basketball,

my students play real basketball #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:14:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610504539045889 - #215
@Saskateach @mathhombre I admire work being done at Math in the City. That's the
math I aspire to teach. Not what I had when I was growing up #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:14:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610577062756352 - #216
@mathhombre #mathchat So #insteadofkhan - what math videos would you want to see
on YT?
Mon Apr 25 20:15:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610589746348032 - #217
@danielespejo @ColinTGraham why can't it be the same (at least to a certain degree) in
math class? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:15:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610594871779328
6261059487 - #218
@republicofmath Hits the nail right on the head! @shyj Most of the time I think math is
contrived for school and
d state assessments. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:15:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610655118770176 - #219
@ColinTGraham @shyj @debwhite @MariaDroujkova Yes, get them while they're young!
But also work on the older ones too, to change perceptions #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:15:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610663385739264 - #220
@uscedu67 RT @shyj: @ColinTGraham @debwhite @MariaDroujkova

@MariaDroujkova Wouldn't it b gr8
2 start off in the early yrs teaching kids how to think mathematically? #mathchat
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:15:22 +0000 - tweet id 62610672323801088 - #221
@shyj @Scotian_teacher @danielespejo @ColinTGraham In my experience very few Ts

can relate the real life connections of math to Ss #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:15:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610694914318336 - #222
@Scotian_teacher @republicofmath @MrHonner Is it the math that's different based on

culture or the communication of math that's different? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:15:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610714476560384 - #223
@EmergentMath Potential for Art and Math application? Amazing video of rainbow
painting robot. Area of circles? Radius, etc. http://t.co/S87eWee #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:15:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610747066290176
6261074706 - #224
@thecorcoran @davidwees @shyj @republicofmath Alan Bishops and Ubiratan

D'Ambrosio work is really helpful when thinking about culture & math. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:15:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610816947589120 - #225
@danielespejo @shyj @ColinTGraham I think 'contrived' or 'practice' math is important,

but 'real' math might have 2b thrown in there more often #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:16:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610865114972160 - #226
@davidwees @MrHonner @republicofmath

@republicofmath Look at the symbols used in difficult cultures,
the examples from the world, etc... #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:16:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610896534503424 - #227
@Saskateach We need to help students play the "whole game" when it comes to math.
Math that is relevant to them and the world. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:16:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610904155566080 - #228
@ColinTGraham (wrong hashtag) RT @MrHonner: In terms of "being less helpful", the

strategy "Answer a question with a question" is a good start. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:16:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610947549839360 - #229

@shyj @danielespejo @ColinTGraham But just think if you would teach them the math
behind
nd the shot how much better they may be! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:16:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62611009470349313 - #230
@danielespejo @mathhombre @ColinTGraham My BBall players do drills all the time,

but they play real basketball all the time too. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:16:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62611014407036928 - #231
@EarlSamuelson RT @ColinTGraham: (wrong hashtag) RT @MrHonner: In terms of

"being less helpful", the strategy "Answer a question with a question" is a good start.#mathchat
start.
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:17:16 +0000 - tweet id 62611153586618368
626111535 - #232
@shyj @ColinTGraham @debwhite @MariaDroujkova So hard to break the "math

phobia" once kids hit middle school. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:17:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62611171953487872 - #233
@republicofmath The point exactly @danielespejo My BBall players do drills all the time,
but they play real basketball all the time too. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:17:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62611238298988544 - #234
@ColinTGraham @danielespejo But your students are also doing practice and repetitive
training... which is not 'real' basketball or is it? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:17:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62611264257527809 - #235
@MrHonner @davidwees @republicofmath Interesting--thanks

Interesting thanks for exs. More like how
math is "perceived" or "interacted with" vs. what it "is". #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:18:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62611347753537537 - #236
@Scotian_teacher @shyj @danielespejo @ColinTGraham #mathchat Lots never learned

to think mathematically. They were just good at DOING math not talking math.
Mon Apr 25 20:18:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62611349229936642 - #237
@Saskateach Could u imagine how boring it wld be if they could only practice lay ups and
never
er play games. We do that in math @danielespejo #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:18:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62611372457984000 - #238
@mathhombre #mathchat If people do not believe that mathematics is simple, it is only

because they do not realize how complicated life is-J
is von Neumann
Mon Apr 25 20:18:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62611405211312128 - #239
@MrHonner Thanks, @ColinTGraham!

@ColinTGraham! I've been on break for a week--feeling
week a bit slow in
this fast and furious #mathchat.
Mon Apr 25 20:18:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62611508550574080 - #240
@shyj @danielespejo @ColinTGraham I do agree pract is important-sometimes

important drill & kill
is necessary, as long as there is more than that #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:18:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62611574560538624 - #241
@msstewart @samandjt Create screencasts explaining concepts then have students

create s'casts of themselves working problems&upload to blog #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:19:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62611616398712832 - #242
@ColinTGraham @Scotian_teacher You may need to explain IRL for people

Mike...#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:19:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62611660392771584 - #243
@padgets #mathchat I am working on integrating more math into our new freshman
science class hopefully my fellow teachers go for it
Mon Apr 25 20:19:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62611662871601152 - #244
@Scorgo In sci we lrn abt scientist la we lrn abt authors - ss we lrn abt many ppl-
ppl arts lrn
abt artists Who do we teach/lrn abt in math? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:19:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62611709604544512 - #245
@shyj @Scotian_teacher @danielespejo @ColinTGraham We need Ts and Ss to do AND

talk about the math. That's how the connections are made #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:19:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62611760166871040 - #246
@padgets @ColinTGraham yep

ye me! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:19:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62611775849377792 - #247
@Saskateach RT @Scorgo: In sci we lrn abt scientist la we lrn abt authors - ss we lrn abt
many ppl- arts lrn abt artists Who do we teach/lrn abt in math? #mathchat
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:19:47 +0000 - tweet id 62611785974423552 - #248
@danielespejo It is a sad truth RT @Saskateach: Could

Could u imagine how boring it wld be if
we only do lay ups and never play games #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:20:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62611840861085696 - #249
@republicofmath @Saskateach @danielespejo And watch kids shooting hoops. Just

playing, but learning skills. Having fun while learning. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:20:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62611863451602944 - #250
@shyj @EmergentMath There is so much math IN art...just need to show how they are
related #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:20:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62611906212540416 - #251
@boomda181 RT @Saskateach: We need to help students play the "whole game" when it
comes to math. Math that is relevant to them and the world.
worl #mathchat
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:20:46 +0000 - tweet id 62612031349596160 - #252
@ColinTGraham @Scotian_teacher @shyj @danielespejo Part of being a mathematician,

though, is communicating findings to others... #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:20:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62612035791368192 - #253
@mathhombre #mathchat re:BB Just think relevant math drills are not drills many
teachers use. Instead: practice the processes in focused ways!
Mon Apr 25 20:20:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62612054195965952 - #254
@mramidon @shyj @ColinTGraham @debwhite @MariaDroujkova @uscedu67 love that

idea. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:20:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62612060353212416 - #255
@Scotian_teacher @ColinTGraham #mathchat IRL=In Real Life. My age is showing.

Mon Apr 25 20:20:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62612080548786176 - #256
@shyj @Scotian_teacher @danielespejo @ColinTGraham I was taught to memorize &

learn the steps- never to question why. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:21:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62612151218606080 - #257
@padgets @Scotian_teacher #mathchat okie dokie got it!

Mon Apr 25 20:21:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62612211767574528 - #258
@Saskateach #mathchat The mind shift that math can be a social, collaborative, relevant
venture is important to make. Both for students and teachers
Mon Apr 25 20:21:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62612223054446593 - #259
@ColinTGraham @shyj @Scotian_teacher @danielespejo Get Ss to go out and find

examples to bring in, if the teacher is confident
confi enough... ;-) #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:21:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62612251701547008 - #260
@InnovativeEdu The reason folks like me don't like #math is cuz #teachers don't keep it
real http://t.co/dSQgVQy #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:22:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62612342894116864 - #261
@shyj @Scotian_teacher @danielespejo @ColinTGraham Not knowing WHY is

frustrating to my 8th grade son. T NEVER explains why! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:22:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62612358245257216 - #262
@Scotian_teacher @ColinTGraham @shyj @danielespejo Exactly! Many math tchrs cant

comm reallife connections to students. They rely on textbook 2much #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:22:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62612503468838912 - #263
@shyj @ColinTGraham @Scotian_teacher @danielespejo Communication is so vital.

Have to know what to do & tell others why you are doing it #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:22:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62612573576634368 - #264
@thecorcoran @davidwees @MrHonner @republicofmath great book, Mathematics of

Elsewhere http://ow.ly/1sFTQX #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:23:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62612623547568128 - #265

@Drbeachbum RT @ColinTGraham: RT @EmergentMath: In the past, I've solicited
student input to create a class rubric. Ss define the categories and rating system.#mathchat
system.
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:23:11 +0000 - tweet id 62612641146867712 - #266
@ColinTGraham Skype..? RT @EmergentMath: Ever had an actual

Mathematician/Engineer/etc.
Engineer/etc. visit the class? Great discussion starter! Inspiring!#mathchat
Inspiring!
Mon Apr 25 20:23:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62612644850446336 - #267
@davidwees Great conversation happening in #mathchat about getting kids "doing

mathematics." Recommend
ecommend checking it out.
Mon Apr 25 20:23:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62612660520353792 - #268
@republicofmath But what's "real"?

"real"? Do you mean interesting, engaging, not contrived?
@InnovativeEdu #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:23:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62612660671352833 - #269
@InnovativeEdu #math #teachers

#teach need to answer "what does this mean & when will I
use this" but they don't! http://t.co/GjD1f5s #mathchat #ihatemath
Mon Apr 25 20:23:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62612699460272128 - #270
@Scotian_teacher @shyj @danielespejo @ColinTGraham #mathchat Ss need to be

taught to ask WHY in every subject, especially math. Trad. Ss taught to do not 7
Mon Apr 25 20:23:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62612825184538624 - #271
@shyj @Scorgo No one :( Why is that? Are mathematicians too dull? The TV show
"Numbers" brought some interest to the masses. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:24:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62612925629743104 - #272
@InnovativeEdu @republicofmath - real means real in my life now & real tools. Don't
disconnect us. #mathchat #ihatemath
Mon Apr 25 20:24:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62612933154316289 - #273
@padgets #mathchat Skype is awesome!!!

Mon Apr 25 20:24:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62612965207183361 - #274
@EmergentMath @InnovativeEdu some do! In fact, many! #mathchat

Mon Apr 25 20:24:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62612986828816385
6261298682881638 - #275
@earlsamuelson @ColinTGraham I used to have an engineer come in when I taught

intro calculus #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:24:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62612991501279232 - #276
@Scotian_teacher #mathchat great communication going on here! Love it. Will definitely
participate again!
Mon Apr 25 20:24:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613032370581504 - #277

@InnovativeEdu @Scotian_teacher @shyj @danielespejo @ColinTGraham - #Ssask
why. #teachers often dismiss them so they stop. #mathchat #ihatemath
Mon Apr 25 20:25:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613104139313152 - #278
@ColinTGraham @republicofmath
@republicofmath @InnovativeEdu The same discussions about
'authenticity' are raised in the language class too (EFL hat on!) #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:25:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613105833807872 - #279
@danielespejo Ideally we can get stdnts asking and giving the answers to the WHY
questions in math #mathchat tough to get there tho, it is a culture chng
Mon Apr 25 20:25:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613169000022017 - #280
@ColinTGraham @Scotian_teacher Follow @mathchat so you keep updated about

topics, voting etc. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:25:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613237862117377 - #281
@shyj @republicofmath @InnovativeEdu "Rea" to me is what we do every day, driving,

cooking, checking
hecking the weather, exercising, etc #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:25:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613249396449280 - #282
@InnovativeEdu @ColinTGraham @republicofmath - I don't say keeping it real is only for

#math It shd be for all learning #mathchat #ihatemath
Mon Apr 25 20:25:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613342971375616 - #283
@shyj @EmergentMath @Scotian_teacher @danielespejo @ColinTGraham Why and

"why not"...wee learn from both #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:26:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613434277171200 - #284
@padgets #mathchat well sorry it is so short but cooking dinner calls, take care stay safe
and tweet you all next time!!!
Mon Apr 25 20:26:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613452753076225 - #285
@EmergentMath Not a very helpful hashtag (the second one). RT

@InnovativeEdu#mathchat #ihatemath
Mon Apr 25 20:26:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613461884076032 - #286
@ColinTGraham @InnovativeEdu @Scotian_teacher @shyj @danielespejo It's not only

maths where that happens, curiosity should always be encouraged #mathchat
#mathcha
Mon Apr 25 20:26:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613558273380352 - #287
@republicofmath But by real do you mean applications that

that appeal to you?
@InnovativeEdu #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:26:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613561435897857 - #288
@InnovativeEdu @danielespejo many #math #teachers can't answer answe y. Don't think
students will be able to because for a lot of it, there's no need. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:26:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613567995772928 - #289
@KTVee @InnovativeEdu yes - and teach in such a way that the question is answered
automatically! #mathchat #edchat
Mon Apr 25 20:27:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613684714876928 - #290
@ColinTGraham @padgets Hi-bye!

Hi #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:27:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613697633320960 - #291
@InnovativeEdu @EmergentMath #ihatemath is the way many people feel. Helpful or not,
tis true. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:27:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613821293985792 - #292
@MrHonner Better to teach students to answer "why?" themselves. Let them find their
own meaning. And sometimes the answer is "Why not?". #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:27:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613843607683072 - #293
@EmergentMath @InnovativeEdu @danielespejo Truthfully, lot of Soc. Studies teachers

don't answer "why" either. Let's not just throw bombs here. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:28:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613852717719552 - #294
@chris_1974 #mathchat I said i wouldn't do this, but pls help me make a lesson
les real by
voting in poll if not alreadt done. http://twtpoll.com/j01n98
Mon Apr 25 20:28:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613877686407169 - #295
@shyj @InnovativeEdu @Scotian_teacher @danielespejo @ColinTGraham Major

factor=time.No time 4 asking & answerng S ?s in the pacing guide #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:28:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613912771768320 - #296
@republicofmath @shyj But "real"

"real" for a statistician e.g. is more than that. ditto for a nurse,
engineer, meteorologist, oceanographer, ... #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:28:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613935756546048 - #297
@shyj @ColinTGraham @InnovativeEdu @Scotian_teacher @danielespejo

AMEN!!!#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:28:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613987589767169 - #298
@ColinTGraham @InnovativeEdu
@InnovativeEdu @danielespejo Many can answer "why" but do so in
terms their Ss don't understand, so Ss stop asking. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:28:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614013267292161 - #299
@InnovativeEdu @republicofmath - by real I mean that it is real to the learner. They see
a reason in their life for learning it. I nvr did. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:28:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614021811089408 - #300
@EarlSamuelson RT @MrHonner: Better to teach students to answer "why?" themselves.

Let them find their own meaning. And sometimes the answer is "Why not?". #mathchat
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:28:42 +0000 - tweet id 62614030849814528 - #301
@mandared RT @chris_1974: #mathchat I said i wouldn't do this, but pls help me make a
lesson real by voting in poll if not alreadt done. http://tw ...
Mon Apr 25 20:28:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614033521586176 - #302
@danielespejo Sadly I have to run out early on this #mathchat convo for easter dinner.
Take care all.
Mon Apr 25 20:28:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614063032705024 - #303
@Saskateach #mathchat We need to be less afraid of giving up control and letting

students explore math. Textbook is often too safe&stifles creativity
Mon Apr 25 20:28:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614081928036352 - #304
@MrHonner Beat me to it, @danielespejo! #mathchat

Mon Apr 25 20:29:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614114714927104 - #305
@joe_bower RT @d_martin05: students who do not need a reason to learn math will be
the ones WANTING to learn the theory, for others context is crucial #mathchat
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:29:08 +0000 - tweet id 62614140103036928 - #306
@ColinTGraham @MrHonner The best answer is "I don't know" because that defines
what you need
ed to find out... a must for mathematics! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:29:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614209837547520 - #307
@republicofmath @InnovativeEdu We're all trying to address the issue of why so many
people turned off #math & what to do about
ab that. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:29:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614239688404992 - #308
@InnovativeEdu @EmergentMath @danielespejo don't worry. I throw bombs @

everyone who doesn't keep it real. I'm subject agnostic #mathchat #ihatemath
Mon Apr 25 20:29:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614252678168576 - #309
@Saskateach RT @ColinTGraham: @MrHonner The best answer is "I don't know"

because that defines what you need to find out... a must for mathematics! #mathchat
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:29:41 +0000 - tweet id 62614275507752960 - #310
@shyj @InnovativeEdu @danielespejo And fear of Ts not knowing why is a major

m factor
of avoidance #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:29:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614280188600320 - #311
@joe_bower RT @d_martin05: I think to convince students that math is important we

need to stop thinking that math is a page out of a textbook #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:29:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614311436156928 - #312
@ColinTGraham @danielespejo Bye Daniel, see you next time! #mathchat

Mon Apr 25 20:29:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614348480253952 - #313

@thecorcoran Explore possibilities and conjectures. Try to use the words all and always--
always
kids have fun and persist way longer. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:30:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614377844580354 - #314
@CRHeitz RT @d_martin05: I think to convince students that math is important we need

to stop thinking that math is a page out of a textbook #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:30:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614407296991232 - #315
@CutTheKnotMath @shyj @republicofmath @InnovativeEdu Just caught up. Games for

children are no less real than "real" life. Why not teach rec math? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:30:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614442973724672 - #316
@InnovativeEdu @ColinTGraham @MrHonner - If I don't know wouldn't cause you to get

held back some peeps may answer that way. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:30:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614510955003904 - #317
@MrHonner @ColinTGraham I actually think the best answer to "Why?" is "That's a good
question!". But
ut "I don't know" is a good answer, too. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:30:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614545738371072 - #318
@delta_dc Sorry I missed this #mathchat - I'm passionate about "doing math." This is
work we did this semester: http://t.co/PMvDLWt
Mon Apr 25 20:30:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614547390939137 - #319
@republicofmath @InnovativeEdu Yes, this sounds like engagement. Starting from kids
interests helps. Why projects can be useful. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:30:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614560284229632
62 - #320
@InnovativeEdu @republicofmath - I understand and I think it is because

#math#teachers aren't good at keeping it real. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:31:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614662142885888 - #321
@shyj @EmergentMath @InnovativeEdu @danielespejo Why is avoided across the

curric-even
even in science when Ss are told what the exper shows #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:31:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614695022039040 - #322
@MrHonner @ColinTGraham Important to model for students that it's ok not to know the
answer. Finding it is the fun part, anyway! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:31:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614737493569536 - #323
@ColinTGraham @CutTheKnotMath
@CutTheKnotMath @shyj @republicofmath @InnovativeEdu Yes,
puzzles and problems... I got a lot from Martin Gardner... #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:31:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614836542050304 - #324
@republicofmath @CutTheKnotMath. Agree. One of our top u'grad students - presented

at Wolfram Tech Conference 2010 - loves analyzing games. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:32:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614881697931264 - #325
@chris_1974 RT @MrHonner: Important to model for students that it's ok not to know the
answer. Finding it is the fun part, anyway! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:32:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614882176081920 - #326
@michellek107 RT @danielespejo: sad truth RT @Saskateach: Could u imagine how

boring it wld be if we only do lay ups and never play games #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:32:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614898110234624 - #327
@InnovativeEdu @CutTheKnotMath @shyj @republicofmath - if you can answer y teach

rec math for a student, than teach it. what's the answer #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:32:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614918989488128 - #328
@Saskateach RT @MrHonner: @ColinTGraham Important 2 model 4 ss that it's ok not to

know the answer. Finding it is the fun part, anyway! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:32:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614930536398848 - #329
@harrisonalg #mathchat Often sts don't care why, it is only the answer that counts in their
eyes. Must broaden horizons--builds
builds relevance.
Mon Apr 25 20:32:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614957937795073 - #330
@shyj @republicofmath Agreed. But when teaching Ss do you think it is helpful to find
that common ground? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:32:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615060194922496 - #331
@republicofmath Agreed - how do we change that? @InnovativeEdu I think

thin it is because
#math #teachers aren't good at keeping it real. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:32:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615074665275393 - #332
@earlsamuelson …cont) a good answer, too. .......and then strive to find out
why#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:32:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615083192299520 - #333
@earlsamuelson RT @MrHonner #mathchat @ColinTGraham I actually think the best

answer to "Why?" is "That's a good
od question!". But "I don't know" is (cont…
Mon Apr 25 20:32:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615086820372480 - #334
@chris_1974 @harrisonalg
rrisonalg so give them the answer, get them to tell you how to get
there! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:32:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615093418008576 - #335
@InnovativeEdu I never learned Algebra & no #math #teacher cld tell me what I'm
missing. So far nothing #mathchat #ihatemath
Mon Apr 25 20:33:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615148648611840 - #336

@ColinTGraham @MrHonner It's one of the fundamental things - the I-don't-know
approach - which defines whether someone is a mathematician... #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:33:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615169557213184 - #337
@Saskateach @harrisonalg I think that we have done a great job of teaching them that
their is one answer, one check mark, one page clipped. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:33:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615208983670784 - #338
@shyj @CutTheKnotMath @republicofmath @InnovativeEdu There are wonderful games

out there to teach math. They are another great tool #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:33:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615308757762048 - #339
@splashmath #mathchat @republicofmath

republicofmath we need to make math fun. Kids must have
fun doing it.
Mon Apr 25 20:33:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615326558396416 - #340
@harrisonalg #mathchat Establish culture of learning--nobody

nobody knows all, all the time.
Don't know? What are we going to do? Where to go?
Mon Apr 25 20:33:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615356639936512 - #341
@arpitjain11 RT @shyj: @ColinTGraham @debwhite @MariaDroujkova Wouldn't it b gr8

2 start off in the early yrs teaching kids how to think mathematically? #mathchat
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:34:01 +0000 - tweet id 62615365020164097 - #342
@Saskateach @harrisonalg Drill and Practice math is set up that way. Get the one right
answer as quickly as possible= success. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:34:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615403079274496 - #343
@InnovativeEdu @republicofmath
@republico - I believe if we can't keep it real, we shdn't waste
anyone's time. #mathchat #ihatemath Change it by not teaching it
Mon Apr 25 20:34:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615443172634624 - #344
@delta_dc We must help learners to find their own "why." #mathchat

Mon Apr 25 20:34:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615468984369152 - #345
@ColinTGraham @shyj I remember being chastised in Chemistry when the (supply)

teacher said "So this shows..." and I aksed "How?" #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:34:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615495601430528 - #346
@shyj @EmergentMath @InnovativeEdu @danielespejo ROFL.... or why sh, ti, si and ci

all make the /sh/ sound! ;) #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:34:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615550181900288 - #347
@splashmath @Saskateach totally agreed with you #mathchat

Mon Apr 25 20:34:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615556116840448 - #348

@republicofmath Life without #algebra can be incredibly
edibly rewarding! (Ask
any#geometer !) @InnovativeEdu #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:35:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615689462165504
626156 - #349
@MrHonner @InnovativeEdu Just as important for students to know that "I don't know"
isn't a good answer on a test, or, to your boss! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:35:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615703760551936 - #350
@earlsamuelson RT @delta_dc We must help learners to find their own "why."#mathchat

"why."
Mon Apr 25 20:35:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615724857901056
626157248 - #351
@ColinTGraham @delta_dc And that the learner's approach to asking and answering
"why" is just as valid as any other if it leads to something... #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:35:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615733061947392 - #352
@shyj @ColinTGraham My son has learned not to ask anymore. He will ask me or look it
up himself. Ask Dr. Math has been terrific! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:35:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615783318110208 - #353
@InnovativeEdu @shyj @CutTheKnotMath @republicofmath

@republicofmath No need to make a game
out of something I don't think I need to learn. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:35:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615847033769985 - #354
@MrHonner @ColinTGraham I like that perspective: the I-don't-know

I know approach. Hadn't
thought of it like that. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:36:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615953921417216 - #355
@harrisonalg @Saskateach #mathchat Unfortunately, the judge of "correctness" is the

text, tchr, calculator. Not the mini-mathematician.
mathematician.
Mon Apr 25 20:36:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615956521885696 - #356
@ColinTGraham @shyj @EmergentMath @InnovativeEdu @danielespejo George B

Shaw suggested ghoti should be pronounced fish in English... #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:36:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615961840259072 - #357
@Saskateach Sad.RT @shyj: @ColinTGraham My son has learned not 2 ask anymore.
He'll ask me or look it up himself. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:36:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615968760872960 - #358
@CutTheKnotMath @InnovativeEdu @shyj @republicofmath Question is what is real to

students. Sure games are. Much real life math is not #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:36:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616000578859008 - #359
@davidwees @InnovativeEdu We are actually looking for solutions. You are preaching to
the choir in here. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:36:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616044560330752 - #360

@InnovativeEdu @republicofmath - agree! My days of not learning #algebra still give me
nightmares. Happy to be #algebra free. #mathchat #ihatemath
Mon Apr 25 20:36:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616100273266688 - #361
@delta_dc @ColinTGraham yes, turing over the learning is important (and hard for some
of us). #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:37:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616141402611712 - #362
@shyj @harrisonalg So wee want kids to be life-long

life long learners and Ts to model that
behavior? ;) #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:37:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616176324395008 - #363
@harrisonalg @Saskateach ...oooh, sounds like timed tests, now. Grrr. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:37:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616196259917824 - #364
@InnovativeEdu @CutTheKnotMath @shyj @republicofmath If #math isn't real to kids,

don't waste their time torturing them with it #mathchat #ihatemath
Mon Apr 25 20:37:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616287930626048 - #365
@shyj @InnovativeEdu @CutTheKnotMath @republicofmath Back to

relevance?#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:37:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616327864582144 - #366
@Saskateach @harrisonalg @delta_dc Teacher reliance on textbooks with their answer

keys also leads to this 1 right way 2 get there mentality #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:37:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616362408882177 - #367
@InnovativeEdu @davidwees - I gave the solution. Keep it real or don't teach

it.#mathchat #ihatemath #thatwaseasy :-p
Mon Apr 25 20:38:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616440028663809 - #368
@ColinTGraham @MrHonner I'm with @jamestanton on the elements

elemen of "genius math
thinking" for school... #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:38:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616458806566912 - #369
@Saskateach @harrisonalg Best not to get me started on timed drill tests. Long history of
trauma there :( #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:38:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616516054630400 - #370
@splashmath we at splashmath http://bit.ly/splashmath have tried to make grade 3 math

fun! Kids not just do math but also play! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:39:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616636762492928
626166367624 - #371
@InnovativeEdu @republicofmath y attract kids to learn something that has no relevance

to their life? Rather have them do something that does #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:39:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616663178223616 - #372

@republicofmath @david wees. Agree - @InnovativeEdu: you're arguing with the wrong
people here. We want math to be engaging, fun, useful, real. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:39:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616677388529664 - #373
@ColinTGraham @InnovativeEdu I'd say exactly the same thing about sports I was made
to do at school... #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:39:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616730563903488 - #374
@shyj @ColinTGraham @EmergentMath @InnovativeEdu @danielespejo That is way 2

funny!Just think, if u don't know phonics u miss the joke. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:39:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616746917494784 - #375
@delta_dc @Saskateach @harrisonalg I am much more interested in learners' responses

now that I ask questions I don't know the answers for. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:39:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616808703787008
6 - #376
@splashmath RT @republicofmath: @david wees. Agree - @InnovativeEdu: you're

arguing with the wrong people
ple here. We want math to be engaging, fun, useful, real.#mathchat
real.
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:39:48 +0000 - tweet id 62616821882290177 - #377
@ColinTGraham @InnovativeEdu Part of being at school is learning to take the good with
the bad. #mathchat #ilovemath
Mon Apr 25 20:40:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616895735603200 - #378
@InnovativeEdu @republicofmath @david - not arguing. Just responding to questions

#mathchat.. Answer of keeping it real is simple. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:40:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616906703699969 - #379
@EmergentMath @InnovativeEdu @davidwees How 'bout also "keep it interesting?" Or

too obvious? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:40:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616928757350401 - #380
@Saskateach @delta_dc @harrisonalg That is part of being a good mathematician. Being

a good listener. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:40:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616969534377985 - #381
@davidwees @InnovativeEdu
ativeEdu That's not a solution. That's a blanket statement. Now give
us something we can take back to our math departments. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:40:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616983086186497
62616983 - #382
@harrisonalg @Saskateach Me, too. I have come to math late in life b/c of
that.#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:41:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62617156067659776 - #383
@republicofmath @InnovativeEdu What's "real" to you may not be "real" to someone

else. What privileges your viewpoint? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:41:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62617171464949760 - #384
@chris_1974 #mathchat time to drop out of the matrix.

matrix. Great chat tonight all - as always!.
Mon Apr 25 20:41:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62617176149999616 - #385
@InnovativeEdu @ColinTGraham
olinTGraham - Why are we forcing kids to take the bad? Y do I need
to be forced to study what u luvt? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:41:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62617285604544512 - #386
@EmergentMath @ColinTGraham @InnovativeEdu I don't use Social Studies or Science

everyday, but I found them interesting b/c I had grt
g teachers. #mathchat?
Mon Apr 25 20:41:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62617305884004352 - #387
@splashmath @davidwees did you see http://bit.ly/splashmath . we have got some great
reviews ! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:42:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62617394379632640 - #388
@InnovativeEdu @davidwees - what is a blanket statement?

atement? Keep it real? It shd be
blanket. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:42:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62617416135483392 - #389
@ColinTGraham @chris_1974 Bye Chris, catch you later! #mathchat

Mon Apr 25 20:42:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62617496192172032
6261749619217 - #390
@Saskateach @harrisonalg Time test-

test one minute that can be triumph for some students
and trauma for others. Not worth
rth the gamble. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:43:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62617676438192128 - #391
@ColinTGraham @InnovativeEdu That's about education, curriculum reform and

governments, more than anything else... #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:43:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62617716950970368 - #392
@InnovativeEdu @davidwees - here's something to take back to your

departmentshttp://t.co/GjD1f5s #math taught the real way. #mathchat #ihatefakemath
Mon Apr 25 20:43:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62617718699991041 - #393
@shyj So what's the solution for Ts who want to become better at their craft? What can I
do in my classroom 2morrow? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:43:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62617844239708160 - #394
@CutTheKnotMath I think #mathchat is much like a timed test. Just try keeping with this
deluge of unordered questions and answers. Why like one, not other?
Mon Apr 25 20:43:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62617865932640256 - #395
@InnovativeEdu @republicofmath my viewpoint is not privleged. Students need more

choice in learning what is real to them. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:44:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62617881074089984 - #396

@delta_dc We do have responsibilities as the knowledgeable others in the classroom to
be ambassadors for math. "Try it, you'll like it." #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:44:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62617887692697600 - #397
@DataDiva @davidwees @InnovativeEdu It almost sounds like advocating against

learning for sake of learning. Not all knowledge is applicable.
appli #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:44:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62618025035186176 - #398
@ColinTGraham @EmergentMath @InnovativeEdu @davidwees Interesting or engaging,

it comes back to "flow" and Csíkszentmihályi (again!) #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:44:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62618031637016577 - #399
@InnovativeEdu @EmergentMath @ColinTGraham I had boring teachers & slept

sle in class.
School shdn't be abt those lucky enuf to have gr8 teachers. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:44:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62618050377166848 - #400
@delta_dc @InnovativeEdu @republicofmath I think learners' energy needs to be

channelled not controlled. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:45:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62618198335434752 - #401
@InnovativeEdu Another issue I have

h with #math is not using excel. Y is that? That is
how I do #math. #mathchat #ihatefakemath
Mon Apr 25 20:45:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62618284322865152 - #402
@ColinTGraham @CutTheKnotMath You should try moderating it then Alex!#mathchat

Alex!
Mon Apr 25 20:45:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62618291398651904 - #403
@InnovativeEdu @ColinTGraham @EmergentMath @davidwees - things r interesting &

engaging if u see a real place for them in ur life. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:46:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62618485817225217 - #404
@arpitjain11 @InnovativeEdu But then how will you learn how does excel actually
computes. Your basics should be put right #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:46:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62618488111505408 - #405
@InnovativeEdu @delta_dc @republicofmath - y can't learners

ers be empowered to channel
their own energy #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:46:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62618599755497472 - #406
@ColinTGraham @shyj Is the immediacy important or the long-term

long term effect? Some things
take time to come to fruition - too much MTV-mentality
MTV now! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:46:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62618610258034689 - #407
@shyj @Scorgo So kids need better role models?Do you think that would help aspire Ss?
#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:46:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62618619221245953 - #408

@delta_dc @shyj a good question - what aspect of mathematical literacy do you want to
address? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:46:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62618626309623808 - #409
@Knackisms RT @davidwees: Great conversation happening

happe in #mathchat about getting
kids "doing mathematics." Recommend checking it out.
Mon Apr 25 20:47:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62618660161855488 - #410
@Saskateach @shyj I wld start w/rich question. Allow ss 2 explore, collaborate, discover
then bring back 2gether 2 share& teach each other #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:47:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62618725953699840 - #411
@InnovativeEdu @arpitjain11 - i learn how excel computes when i need to do something

real and I look it up #mathchat #ihatefakemath
Mon Apr 25 20:47:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62618732731703296 - #412
@harrisonalg @shyj Find a relevant

relevant prob & try to have sts solve in as many diff ways as
possible. Picture, graph, expression, and EXPLAIN why #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:47:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62618790885732352 - #413
@CutTheKnotMath @ColinTGraham Nah. Do not envy you, Colin #mathchat

Mon Apr 25 20:47:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62618830966501376 - #414
@delta_dc @InnovativeEdu @republicofmath they can, but empowerment requires some

effort on the mentor's part. What is that effort? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:47:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62618842513424384 - #415
@republicofmath @InnovativeEdu Agree students need choice but you wouldn't let me
have my choice if I were in your class. Have to be real to you
y #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:47:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62618843121586176 - #416
@ColinTGraham @InnovativeEdu In many schools the teaching or use of ICT is the

responsibility of the ICT teacher, not the maths teacher... :-/
: #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:48:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62618898524147712 - #417
@InnovativeEdu @DataDiva @davidwees some people may want knowledge

knowled that is not
applicable. Those who don't shdn't be forced. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:48:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62618953826045952 - #418
@EmergentMath @shyj what do your students like to do? How can we find the math in
that? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:48:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62618957697400832 - #419
@shyj @arpitjain11 @InnovativeEdu And as long as you understand

understa what Excel is doing I
think it's a great tool to use. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:48:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619053881163776 - #420

@MrHonner @InnovativeEdu Not sure how your post is any different than modern
textbook design: "How many CDs can Johnny buy..." #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:48:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619054615179264 - #421
@arpitjain11 RT @shyj: @arpitjain11 @InnovativeEdu And as long as you understand

what Excel is doing I think it's a great tool to use. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:49:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619150429855744 - #422
@earlsamuelson I think students who hate math and really don't want any part of it
shouldn't be forced to learn more than the basics #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:49:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619157421768704 - #423
@Scorgo @shyj I think so. We have 2 work 2 change societal perceptions/acceptance of

innumeracy. Also teach math doesn't happen overnight #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:49:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619164380106752 - #424
@InnovativeEdu @republicofmath - y do u think i wldn't let u have choice? I don't think a

child shd be forced to go to a class they don't want. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:49:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619243035893760 - #425
@shyj @ColinTGraham Sometimes I think both. In order for long term to happen baby
steps need to occur. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:49:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619376045654016 - #426
@InnovativeEdu @MrHonner - the post matters when one of those issues is real to
someone. The site helps explain just in time not just in case #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:50:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619441090920448 - #427
@Saskateach Like this as a starting point RT @EmergentMath: @shyj what do your

students like to do? How can we find the math in that? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:50:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619448992997376 - #428
@delta_dc @InnovativeEdu @EmergentMath @davidwees Engagement requires

potential (I can), purpose (I want), & protection (I'm safe). #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:50:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619456580497408 - #429
@republicofmath How can we get kids & teachers doing #math in class, not always just
learning techniques? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:50:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619516642934784 - #430
@shyj @delta_dc I was in a classroom where kids were lrng about the metric system. T
hated teaching it b/c we don't use it in the USA #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:51:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619679881052161 - #431
@earlsamuelson We need to try to find the best ways possible to help those who want to
learn math. #mathchat I think that's what mathchat is about
Monday, 25th April 2011How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics? (2)
Mon Apr 25 20:51:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619756292878336 - #432
@ColinTGraham @InnovativeEdu @DataDiva @davidwees Applicable Applicabl when? I used

some stuff I learned in French at school for the 1st time last week #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:51:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619770742247425 - #433
@delta_dc @republicofmath This is what I've been thinking a lot about... Math is finding
shortcuts not taking shortcuts. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:51:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619794800783362 - #434
@shyj @delta_dc She was stuck in how to make it relevant. #mathchat

Mon Apr 25 20:51:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619809589886976 - #435
@arpitjain11 RT @earlsamuelson: We need to try to find the best ways possible to help
those who want to learn math. #mathchat I think that's what m ...
Mon Apr 25 20:51:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619850828288000 - #436
@ColinTGraham How w can 'they' find the math... RT @EmergentMath: @shyj what do
your students like to do? How can we find the math in that? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:51:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619889386532864
6261988938 - #437
@shyj @Saskateach Love this....all teaching should start this way! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:52:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619892553232384 - #438
@splashmath RT @delta_dc:
@delta_dc: @republicofmath This is what I've been thinking a lot
about... Math is finding shortcuts not taking shortcuts. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:52:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619966909849601
6261996690984960 - #439
@arpitjain11 RT @delta_dc: @republicofmath This is what I've been thinking a lot about...
Math is finding shortcuts not
ot taking shortcuts. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:52:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619970433056769 - #440
@InnovativeEdu @EmergentMath @republicofmath If a student wants to go deep in an

area of study in which they are #passiondriven y not let them? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:52:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620037567098880 - #441
@shyj @harrisonalg That's where Ts get stuck-

stuck finding the relevance. So how do wee
help them with that? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:52:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620048078024704 - #442
@EmergentMath @shyj @delta_dc How could they follow the Olympics

then??? :)#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:52:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620052494618624 - #443
@Saskateach @EarlSamuelson But it is often the math beyond the basics where the real
magic happens.We can't deny ss to opportunity to see this #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:52:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620095398162432 - #444

@republicofmath Agree. @delta_dc This is what I've been thinking a lot about... Math is
finding
inding shortcuts not taking shortcuts. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:53:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620169607974913 - #445
@mattscully @InnovativeEdu how do you know when something isn't applicable or worth
learning? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:53:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620183554035713 - #446
@ColinTGraham @shyj The baby steps part is my other favourite... Vygotsky and Zones
of Proximal Development. Maths is about finding next step... #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:53:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620199098138624 - #447
@reflectivemaths @davidwees lots of maths has app in real world but _some_ of it
doesn't #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:53:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620224226201600 - #448
@delta_dc @shyj Problem solving is always relevant. Imagine

Imagine you're dropped in Canada
& saw the following signs... How would you make sense?" #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:53:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620250444808192 - #449
@shyj @EmergentMath Devil's advocate coming: "We like to play XBox and watch
American Idol." T thinks-that's
that's not part of curric #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:53:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620336029573120 - #450
@InnovativeEdu @ColinTGraham @DataDiva @davidwees - applicable when the learner

wants to learn it. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:53:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620376244551680 - #451
@ColinTGraham @republicofmath Are not some of the techniques needed though? Like
practising backhand in tennis? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:53:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620383077089281 - #452
@republicofmath As Bill Thurston (who ought to know) says: in #math we seek

qualitative understanding; sometimes have to calculate. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:54:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620442548125696 - #453
@delta_dc @ColinTGraham @republicofmath

@republicofmath But the goal is to be good at tennis not
good at backhand #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:54:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620524513198080 - #454
@shyj @Saskateach @EmergentMath Unfortunately in education NOTHING happens

over night! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:54:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620545753169920 - #455
@republicofmath Mais oui! @ColinTGraham Are not some

some of the techniques needed
though? Like practising backhand in tennis? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:54:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620578091253760 - #456
@Saskateach RT @ColinTGraham: @shyj The baby steps part is my other favourite...

Vygotsky and Zones of Proximal Development. Maths is about finding next step...#mathchat
step...
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:54:46 +0000 - tweet id 62620588832854016 - #457
@CutTheKnotMath @republicofmath That's real problem. Most teachers do ho do math

not in class, nor at home. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:54:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620612883001344
62 - #458
@InnovativeEdu @mattscully - each learner can make the decision about when
something is worth learning for themselves #mathchat Learning shdn't be forced.
Mon Apr 25 20:54:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620644633878528 - #459
@ColinTGraham @earlsamuelson And some teachers who have not been confident
about their maths have recognized that #mathchat has helped them too...
Mon Apr 25 20:55:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620650384261120 - #460
@shyj @EmergentMath @delta_dc Most

Most kids don't even watch the Olympics or even
know what they are! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:55:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620719833563136 - #461
@mathinyourfeet @republicofmath ...not always just learning techniques? -- Integration

with other subjects makes math relevant, takes time tho #mathchat .
Mon Apr 25 20:55:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620782513225728 - #462
@InnovativeEdu @EmergentMath @republicofmath - there's another answer! Let

students choose their classes. #mathchat Also let students be teachers
Mon Apr 25 20:55:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620801752510464 - #463
@harrisonalg @shyj Good pt. I used 2 get stuck, too, now look 4 concept behind prob.
Sometimes it still flops, but keep trying. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:55:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620854181306368 - #464
@shyj @ColinTGraham @EmergentMath So they need some background info in what

math is so they can find it? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:55:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620882522210304 - #465
@republicofmath Yes, but who can tell? Alg geom eg in statistics. @reflectivemaths
@refle lots
of maths has app in real world but some of it doesn't #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:56:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620900184440832 - #466
@ColinTGraham @delta_dc @republicofmath And then finding a way to explain why the
shortcuts work, and when they are best used... #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:56:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620978726965249 - #467

@Saskateach @shyj Anything that can happen overnight is usually not worth the
effort.Real meaningful change takes time but our ss are worth it.#mathchat
it.#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:56:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620983357480960 - #468
@CutTheKnotMath @republicofmath That's real problem. Most teachers do not do math

not in class, nor at home. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:56:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620996515012609 - #469
@DataDiva I agree. RT @mattscully: @InnovativeEdu how do you know when something

isn't applicable or worth learning? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:56:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621038088957953 - #470
@arpitjain11 @republicofmath It again depends on what the kid ends up doing in his life
li
#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:56:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621077884514304 - #471
@republicofmath Love your program! @mathinyourfeet #mathchat .

Mon Apr 25 20:56:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621104417685505 - #472
@mattscully @InnovativeEdu maybe you are more astute learner than i am but I can't tell
before I learn something if I will be able to use it. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:57:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621180686905345 - #473
@ColinTGraham @shyj @EmergentMath Which brings us almost full-circle

full back to
today's topic! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:57:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621234717933568 - #474
@delta_dc @ColinTGraham @republicofmath And how to apply what they've learned to

finding shortcut in future... #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:57:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621320596291584 - #475
@republicofmath The heart of it IMO @CutTheKnotMath That's real problem. Most

teachers do not do math not in class, nor at home. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:57:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621371313823744 - #476
@earlsamuelson @ColinTGraham #mathchat has made me a much better

teacher....anything causing me to reflect does
Mon Apr 25 20:58:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621436363276289 - #477
@ColinTGraham @InnovativeEdu @EmergentMath @republicofmath I would not

disagree with that. I drove myself tho', 'coz that was what I was taught #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:58:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621448824565760 - #478
@harrisonalg @shyj Also, find math in daily tasks. "How much Xbx does whole school
play in 1 wk?" No set answ, bt sm reasonable ideas #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:58:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621457162833920 - #479

@DataDiva @InnovativeEdu if that's the litmus test, we'd have a heck of a lotta
paleontologists running around. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:58:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621461638160384 - #480
@InnovativeEdu @mattscully y bother learning it? If you're interested, then it's applicable.
If ur not, u shdn't be forced/tortured #mathchat #ihatemath
Mon Apr 25 20:58:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621516818419713 - #481
@shyj @ColinTGraham I try 2 get Ts I train 2 take baB steps so they keep the pace going
instead of giant steps that can't b maintained #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:58:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621535613104128 - #482
@ColinTGraham Why would they follow the Olympics! :-P : P RT @EmergentMath: @shyj
@delta_dc How could they follow the Olympics then??? :) #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:58:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621603170758656 - #483
@InnovativeEdu @DataDiva - and what do we have a lot of running around

now#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:59:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621708129013760 - #484
@splashmath RT @shyj: @ColinTGraham I try 2 get Ts I train 2 take baB steps so they
keep the pace going instead of giant steps that can't b maintained
maint #mathchat
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:59:15 +0000 - tweet id 62621718748999680 - #485
@Saskateach Thanks all for a great #mathchat.. As always I learn so much from this time
together with fellow math friends. Must run my son to football.
Mon Apr 25 20:59:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621745349279744 - #486
@DataDiva @InnovativeEdu @mattscully but there's a gulf between

betwee "being tortured" and
learning content that isn't usable immediately #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:59:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621746511093760 - #487
@ColinTGraham @shyj @EmergentMath And a creative teacher will find a way to bring
the learners' world into the delivery of imposed curricula #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:59:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621844620062721 - #488
@shyj @ColinTGraham @EmergentMath "Full circle?" Isn't that a math

concept.... :)#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:59:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621875565637632 - #489
@mathinyourfeet @republicofmath Thanks! :) I'd love to find ways to help others combine
math with other content areas in an active way...#mathchat
way...
Mon Apr 25 20:59:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621881412489216 - #490
@MahomedyHussein RT @d_martin05: I think to convince students that math is

important we need to stop thinking that math is a page out of a textbook #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:00:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621998722985987 - #491
@InnovativeEdu @DataDiva @mattscully I'll learn it when I need it. #mathchat Not when
someone else says, "I may need it some day."
Mon Apr 25 21:00:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622013088481280 - #493
@EmergentMath Answer to #ihatemath isn't "Let's stop teaching it." It's "Let's make it
more interesting and applicable." #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:01:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622175672283136 - #494
@ColinTGraham @harrisonalg @shyj Conceptual understanding is absolutely vital. Often

we assume the concept has been 'learned' but don't check... #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:01:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622243569672192 - #495
@arpitjain11 RT @EmergentMath: Answer to #ihatemath isn't "Let's stop teaching it." It's
"Let's make it more interesting and applicable." #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:01:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622245184487424 - #496
@MrHonner @InnovativeEdu In your model, how does the learner know what they don't
know? What of ideas outside one's immediate purview? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:01:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622247466184706 - #497
@coachk @InnovativeEdu love the idea of math casting! #mathchat

Mon Apr 25 21:01:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622257255690241
6 - #498
@republicofmath @mathinyourfeet Love to get your program going here in

Massachusetts (Sorry @ColinTGraham
@ColinTGra - off topic) #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:01:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622276440424449 - #499
@shyj @harrisonalg Sounds like this would be a great project. It's the out of the box (or
txtbk) thinking that Ts struggle with in math #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:01:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622318328946688 - #500
@mattscully @InnovativeEdu if I only learn about what interests

interests me how do I learn about
something I don't know anything about? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:02:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622416031055873 - #501
@ColinTGraham Well it's that time again! A very lively discussion today! Nice to see lots
of newcomers #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:02:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622510100905984 - #502
@DataDiva RT @mattscully: @InnovativeEdu

@InnovativeEdu if I only learn about what interests me how
do I learn about something I don't know anything about? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:02:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622526064439296 - #503
@republicofmath @InnovativeEdu Sorry to say, but seems like you're using this forum to
address your dislike of #math.. There is a topic. #mathchat.
Mon Apr 25 21:02:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622580003180545 - #504
@InnovativeEdu @MrHonner we don't know much of anything, but when we realize we

want/need to learn something we can #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:02:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622589465530368 - #505
@shyj @ColinTGraham m @EmergentMath Agreed. I hear many "reasons" why they can't
do it. Same ole story worldwide. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:02:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622610374135810 - #506
@reflectivemaths @republicofmath What I'm trying to say is that there's nothing wrong in
doing maths 'for fun' #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:02:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622651352498176 - #507
@EarlSamuelson RT @ColinTGraham: @harrisonalg @shyj Conceptual understanding is

absolutely vital. Often we assume the concept has been 'learned' but don't check... #mathchat
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 21:03:03 +0000 - tweet id 62622675004178432 - #508
@delta_dc Adaptation of quote I heard: "If we taught talking & walking like
li we teach math,
we would be a nation of lame mutes." #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:03:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622716083179521 - #509
@republicofmath @ColinTGraham Thanks Colin. Very lively & useful #mathchat

Mon Apr 25 21:03:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622758500184064 - #510
@MrHonner @InnovativeEdu I guess that comes when someone says "I want to learn
more about X because I am generally interested in X"?. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:03:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622766695849984 - #511
@shyj @coachk @Saskateach @emergentmath Definitely. Do you think most Ts have the
knowledge to make those connections themselves? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:03:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622808143970304 - #512
@InnovativeEdu @republicofmath Disagree.

Disagree. I've given valuable resources & have gotten
thx already. Guess ur missing my nuggets #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:03:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622828410847232 - #513
@republicofmath Absolutely! @reflectivemaths What I'm trying to say is that there's

nothing wrong in doing maths 'for fun' #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:03:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622862288236544 - #514
@ColinTGraham You're as bad as Bon (@mathfour) with the f-word! f word! RT

@reflectivemaths:.... there's nothing wrong in doing maths 'for fun' #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:03:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622869972201473 - #515
@harrisonalg @shyj I lv "Fermi Questions" Qs that are big, but attainable. "Hw mny cars
bumper 2 bmpr frm LA to NY?"...car sz, ranges, distance #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:04:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622969112969216 - #516
@InnovativeEdu @republicofmath - part of figuring out how to get kids engaged in math
is listening to those of us who hated it. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:04:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62623006878470144 - #517
@earlsamuelson RT @reflectivemaths:
@reflectivemaths: @republicofmath What I'm trying to say is that
there's nothing wrong in doing maths 'for fun' #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:04:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62623007532785664 - #518
@delta_dc @ColinTGraham Well done my friend. I again leave energized to do my duty

as a teacher. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:04:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62623048595021824 - #519
@sjcprof RT @republicofmath:
publicofmath: How can we get kids & teachers doing #math in class, not
always just learning techniques? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:04:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62623059391152128 - #520
@shyj @ColinTGraham @harrisonalg Can't tell u how many times I have heard "we
talked abt that" from Ts to Ss. Talking does not = lrning #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:04:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62623134225924097 - #521
@ColinTGraham Remember to follow new tweeps... and @mathchat for updates on the
Wiki: http://bit.ly/codZeQ #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:05:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62623239926579200 - #522
@reflectivemaths @ColinTGraham how about 'for it's own sake'? #mathchat

Mon Apr 25 21:05:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62623263930589185 - #523
@earlsamuelson Thanks Colin! #mathchat

Mon Apr 25 21:05:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62623297002676224 - #524
@CutTheKnotMath Second that @reflectivemaths @republicofmath What I'm trying to

say is that there'ss nothing wrong in doing maths 'for fun' #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:05:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62623368519753728 - #525
@ColinTGraham @reflectivemaths Preaching to the converted here Dave! #mathchat

Mon Apr 25 21:05:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62623397057802240 - #526
@MrHonner Thanks @ColinTGraham ! #mathchat

Mon Apr 25 21:06:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62623417098182657 - #527
@harrisonalg @shyj Sts ts must OWN the problem/math, in own way. Has to make sense in
the mind's eye. Trick is in getting there #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:06:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62623553538895872 - #529

@ColinTGraham I now have the archiving issue resolved (sounding like Yoda am I) and
should have everything up online in an hour for past 2 weeks #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:07:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62623790034718721 - #530
@delta_dc @shyj Teaching math effectively mean seeing big picture. Here's unit I used
as MS math teacher http://t.co/ZnjsuTf Hope it helps #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:07:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62623858057940992 - #531
@shyj @harrisonalg A definite trick that talented Ts master. Would love for everyone to
master this skill. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:07:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62623876848427008 - #532
@CutTheKnotMath @reflectivemaths @ColinTGraham From Wining Ways: ... for us

mathematics in itself is a recreation #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:07:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62623908997758976 - #533
@mattscully @InnovativeEdu what if new thing doesn't interest me or isn't applicable

ASAP? It should be avoided bcuz I don't know any better. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:08:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62624023527428096 - #534
@shyj @harrisonalg Have to look up Fermi Questions" - thanks! #mathchat

Mon Apr 25 21:08:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62624090040696832 - #535
@onealchris @ColinTGraham: @davidwees I think it's so important for teachers to get

out of the classroom often, to experience "real" content #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:09:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62624171196297218 - #536
@shyj @delta_dc Thanks so much...will check it out! #mathchat

Mon Apr 25 21:09:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62624220739403776 - #537
@harrisonalg @shyj NCTM had an article this last yr on them in MTMS. Rich discussion,
and again, attainable. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:11:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62624684369395712 - #538
@EmergentMath @onealchris @ColinTGraham @davidwees Or bring the real content

into the classroom! What biz's are in ur community that use math? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:11:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62624826388512768 - #539
@shyj @harrisonalg Thanks so much! #mathchat

Mon Apr 25 21:12:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62625047667408896 - #540
@CutTheKnotMath @EmergentMath @onealchris @ColinTGraham @davidwees What

biz's are in ur community that use math? #mathchat Web is everywhere: primes numbers
Mon Apr 25 21:13:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62625295567552513 - #541

@Scorgo @EmergentMath @onealchris @ColinTGraham @davidwees & include stay at
home parents & housewives when thinking of real world context #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:14:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62625507912581120 - #542
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@ColinTGraham Hello everyone and welcome to today's #mathchat

Mon Apr 25 19:31:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62599603081592833 - #1

@ColinTGraham If your tweets are protected,

@ColinTGraham Today's topic is "How do I get students doing mathematics instead of

@davidwees RT @ColinTGraham: Today's topic is "How do I get students doing

@PeacockMaths #mathchat - often after learning the maths first.

@chris_1974 RT @davidwees: Non-math

Monday, 25th April 2011How

@chris_1974 #mathchat doing maths is about solving problems.

@mathonthemind #mathchat I have recently been having students working on a Scale

@mathonthemind #mathchat Here's the blog

@PeacockMaths #mathchat mathematicians solve problems.

@EmergentMath Make math an outward process as much as an internal process. -->

@davidwees "Doing mathematics" to me means either using mathematics to solve real

@chris_1974 #mathchat.. Mathematicians play. With numbers, algebra, problems.

Monday, 25th April 2011How

@MrReidWSS @ColinTGraham @davidwees Get students involved in doing Real World

@bucharesttutor They also play

@ColinTGraham @PeacockMaths And mathematicians look for problems to

@reflectivemaths Doing mathematics is about solving problems. It _is_ that

@chris_1974 @bucharesttutor yup. play with pattern. #mathchat

@janebouey RT @davidwees: "Doing mathematics" to me means either using

@ColinTGraham Doing mathematics is

@chris_1974 @ColinTGraham #mathchat

Monday, 25th April 2011How

@ColinTGraham @shyj So that would mean doing mathematics is about

@chris_1974 @shyj Absolutely agree. Do mathematical thinking, not just "do

@ColinTGraham @onealchris @davidwees This is why it's important to define what

@mathonthemind RT @davidwees: "Doing mathematics" to me means either using

@mathonthemind RT @shyj: @ColinTGraham Yes, exploring and looking for the

Monday, 25th April 2011How

@republicofmath Wish @jamestanton were in on this conversation #mathchat

@ColinTGraham @reflectivemaths Agreed. Doing mathematics in the real world needs to

@republicofmath In my experience the thing that excites #mathematicians is hidden

@ColinTGraham So doing mathematics can be like being an artist, in a different medium

@ColinTGraham @republicofmath Mathematicians make connections and get excited

Monday, 25th April 2011How

@ColinTGraham Mathematicians are elegant in how they communicate their

@republicofmath Teachers - how often do YOU "do mathematics"? #mathchat

@ColinTGraham And sometimes that context is further mathematics. RT @shyj: Math

@honeypisquared @republicofmath Universal answer 'not enough'? #mathchat

@shyj @republicofmath Theory should always be applicable

@mathonthemind #mathchat I have thought about having students go stand behind a

@davidwees @republicofmath I used mathematics recently as part of an animation I'm

Monday, 25th April 2011How

@bucharesttutor Mathematicians need to b more artistic, creative n indulge in more

@mosquitomax #mathchat pattern-meisters

@debwhite RT @davidwees: "Doing mathematics" to me means either using

Monday, 25th April 2011How

@davidwees @republicofmath A huge % of the math we teach is taught in such a way as

@ColinTGraham Some foundations need to be laid RT @mathonthemind:

@ColinTGraham @mathonthemind So counting money, for example, could be used to

@shyj @ColinTGraham @mathonthemind What might be some foundations you would

@mathhombre #mathchat - any good videos of people doing math? @jamestanton

@shyj @ColinTGraham @EmergentMath I would love to hear their responses to that

@mathhombre #mathchat Because math can be so useful, I think it's possible to

Monday, 25th April 2011How

@shyj @earlsamuelson @ColinTGraham Which is why I love

@earlsamuelson RT @republicofmath How often do kids in your class do #mathprojects

@d_martin05 @mathhombre but if students

@ColinTGraham @shyj @EmergentMath The key, for me, is to keep returning to

@harrisonalg #mathchat Math has to be believable...able to be held in one's eyes, mind,

@GingerTPLC @colintgraham Please understand, I'm ignorant here. How is that