USDOR 0911-1013 Ab - Part34

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profit and they control our government. People don't have a voice - it is drowned out by corporate messaging, lobbyists on their behalf, campaign contributions. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 12:05 AM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
I can get behind this . Can we all agree on a message soon? Our soundbite world is unable to comprehend complexity. Many keep calling us stupid because we think too much . lol
On 09/24/11, Winter Siroco<wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: After a lot of talking and consulting some of us agree with 4 points that everybody may endorse. Of course, everybody should seriously think about specific strategies to accomplish these goals.
On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 10:59 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: +1
On 09/24/11, Winter Siroco<wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, simple, broad and not demands but goals. Cesar On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Willie Osterweil <wosterweil@gmail.com> wrote: I think if we use demands at all we need to be focused on simple, clear demands that will enlarge our ranks . The house/senate wont pass anything even remotely looking like a change in wealth distribution, the Obama administration bends over backwards to appease the bi -partisan banks, the Supreme Court declares that proof of innocence is insufficient cause for a stay of execution, and the media will always distort and misrepresent, either through malice or incompetence . Thus, any sort of wonky policy demand that speaks only to the already politically active is unproductive and serves to marginalize and entrench the protest into a pre -exiting middle-class protest community. The government will give us nothing, we need to build the numbers to take ... The only positive function of demands is solidarity and recruitment: the simpler, broader and more universal, the better .
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: ...true, true...so, what would be your positive contribution or rearangement of priorities ? be constructive . Cesar
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On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Willie Osterweil <wosterweil@gmail.com> wrote: And nothing gets the blood of the people stirring like a call to reinstate Glass -Steagall. Yup, I can see it now, the media suddenly exploding with coverage, the ramparts filling with the oppressed and underrepresented: "They've called for the reinstatement of Glass Steagall! Quickly, comrades, to arms! To arms! For Glass Steagall!"
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:58 AM, diane sare <dwsare@gmail.com> wrote: Glass -Steagall would bust up the "too big to fail" banks, let the speculators rot, as they should, and protect the small savings and loan banks, which means people's savings, mortgages, there would be hope for pension funds, etc . In other words, Glass -Steagall would bankrupt Wall Street -- it's not the whole recovery, but it IS the first step to protecting the PEOPLE, and making it possible to think long term about radical things we used to do, like water management, rail building etc . On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: Hi all, I apologize for being off-list and off-the-streets for a few days, but I was lucky enough to become a father on September 17! I personally believe that the obstination of some members of the NYCGA on not having demands has proved disastrous and resulted in a PR debacle. Invariably, almost all mainstream media accounts of the protests note that the demonstrators have confused ideas and are probably motivated by merely ideological motives. Further, this refusal of having demands has nothing to do with the current movements in the Middle East, Spain and Greece all of which have clear and loud demands. In the case of Arab countries and Middle Eastern autocracies the demand cannot be but one (remove the dictator). In Greece and Spain the situation is more complex but the movements there have been able to develop specific analyses and requests. In particular the Joint Economics Working Group of Syntagma Square and Puerta del Sol have drafted a document (http://bit.ly/npCWkg ) that lists a specific set of demands, such as the request of nationalizing the banks, withdrawing the EU/IMF Memorandum imposed on Greece, make the accounting records transparent, and so forth . As I have previously suggested, the three simple demands that the NYCGA should have raised in the call to Occupy Wall Street should have been: 1) Reintroduction of the Glass -Steagall Act,
2) Immediate introduction of a Tobin Tax or Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions both at a national and international level. On a national level, it would be sufficient for Congress to pass it. On an international level, the IMF could subordinate loans to countries in debt to the introduction of a Tobin Tax instead of requiring massive privatizations as it ordinarily does through the notorious structural adjustment programs. In Europe, Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy have officialized their support to the introduction of such tax in the EU about three weeks ago. Last June over 1,000 economist submitted a letter by 1,000 economists to the G20 last April that explains why the idea of a global Robin Hood Tax has come of age. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/apr/13/robin-hoodtax-economists-letter) Robinhoodtax.org, a web site run by a British NGO that explains in very simple terms how it works and how much revenue it could generate. The NGO also has a Facebook page. 3) Raise taxes on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains by pairing the long-term capital gains tax rate (which
a law regulating the bank system that separated investment banks from commercial banks. This law, originally approved in 1933 and signed into law by FDR has been repealed in 1999. As Wikipedia simply states it, "Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 20072011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlassSteagall_Act
applies to financial assets held for more than a year) to the ordinary income tax rates. At the moment, thanks to the Tax Reconciliation Act signed by Bush into law in 2006 and extended by the Obama administration to 2012 and beyond, capital gains cannot be taxed more than 20% whereas income tax is taxed up to 35%. This means that if your wage falls for example in the $35,000-83,000 bracket your income tax is 25% whereas if you make 1, 10, or 100 million dollars on the stock market your pay 20% only. Even Warren Buffett says that this system is openly unjust and that the current taxation system is profoundly unbalanced and skewed towards financial profit. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stopcoddling-the-super-rich.html) These three proposals are far from revolutionary yet they could begin raising specific questions and help bring a variety of subjects into the conversation. The notion that a movement is defined by its demands is ridiculous. A social movement
is much more than a set of demands yet demands help those who are not on your side understand who you are and where you come from. Two other critical points that should be discussed in the GA are the public funding of political campaigns and the two-party system. A paramount political objective should be to get corporations to stop funding political candidates . You cannot have real democracy with the current system of fundraising. A truly democratic system would give each citizen a tax bonus of the SAME AMOUNT and enable each one of us to decide how to allocate such money . A truly democratic society should also not rely on forms of political representation based on a majoritarian (first-past-the-post) electoral system. If we are the 99% of the country, then we ought to be able to convince the rest of the nation that the 99% counts in fact nothing. And corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main targets of a campaign for real democracy. To sum up, the question of the redistribution of wealth and democratic control over the financial system cannot be disconnected from the question of political representation. Organizing a movement that fights "against representative politics" does not mean in my opinion to fight against *any* form of representation, but certainly against the current system of representation. We are over 6 billions on this planet. Thinking that each individual should have the right to decide on every issue in every part of the world at all times may sound fascinating but it is simply unrealistic and unrealizable. Whether we like it or not, we constantly delegate to others the understanding of issues and execution of tasks we simply do not have the time to understand and care about . (The worldwide professionalization of national armies and the advanced specialization of knowledge in scientific and academic research are just two notable cases in point). Thus the question is not how to abolish authority and representation per se but how to produce forms of representation that are truly representative, renewable and non-ossified. The NYCGA could be such a body, once we live behind the rather childish notion that demands define us and by defining us trap us in some blind alley from which we'll be unable to move forward. Cheers, Snafu
-Diane Sare cell: 201 -220 -7731
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice Sunday, September 25, 2011 11:54:27 AM
How about:
Making the banks, corporations, and the rich pay by increasing capital gains taxes, closing corporate tax loopholes, and getting rid of tax breaks for Big Oil. Creating a real participatory democracy, in which lobbyists do not have the most prominent voice. Ending the oppression of economic injustice on all marginalized and vulnerable groups. Promoting peace, solidarity, and opportunity for all.
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: I agree, perhaps it could be OUR GOALS ARE:
To end the Wall Street dictatorship and the aristocratic rights to tax exemption,
Creating a real participatory democracy, Ending the oppression of all marginalized groups, and Promoting peace, solidarity, and economic justice.
Cesar On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: "Making the banks, corporations and the rich pay" is a bit vengeful and I think too open-ended. Besides, we don't want them just to pay, we want to change the system that allows them to amass such huge wealth and influence in the first place. The way banks work is that ordinary people put their savings into banks*, and the banks take our money and sling it around and invest it in all kinds of corporate and capital projects to help big corporations squeeze out the little guys and leverage their money to invade further facets of our lives (schools, hospitals, prisons, etc). I think the first goal should read something closer to "end the control of government and the economy by banks, corporations, and the rich." or "end the control of our lives by the crony system between big business and big government." I'm aware that the phrase "big government" is a loaded term that conjures up visions of black helicopters and wasteful spending among the Tea Party and Republicans, but the thing is that there are black helicopters and wasteful spending, it's just that the welfare queens and are actually corporations and not poor single women. So I think that's not too bad of a way to bridge the gap.
*It's really sick when you think of it as a co-operative where everybody pools all our wealth in one place, and then the bankers use it to amass huge wealth for themselves and make us powerless There's all kinds of parts of the finance world where the super rich form what are basically co-ops for their exclusive benefit (a good example is the Depository Trust and Clearing Corporation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dtcc). In solidarity, Jon
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 6:26 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: No, no the original is better Making the banks, corporations, and the rich pay
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Winter Siroco Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 1:48 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice
Yes, the first needs reworking.
What about:
Our goals are:
To end the Wall Street bending of the law, and the aristocratic right to tax exemption,

Creating a real participatory democracy,
Ending the oppression of all marginalized groups, and Promoting peace, solidarity, and economic justice.
Cesar
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 12:13 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote:
Making the banks, corporations, and the rich pay, sounds so stupid and greedy! DON'T let that happen.
Corporations do not have children, they do not have souls, the exist for shortterm profit and they control our government. People don't have a voice - it is drowned out by corporate messaging, lobbyists on their behalf, campaign contributions. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 12:05 AM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
On 09/24/11, Winter Siroco<wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, simple, broad and not demands but goals. Cesar On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Willie Osterweil <wosterweil@gmail.com> wrote:
I think if we use demands at all we need to be focused on simple, clear demands that will enlarge our ranks . The house/senate wont pass anything even remotely looking like a change in wealth distribution, the Obama administration bends over backwards to appease the bi -partisan banks, the Supreme Court declares that proof of innocence is insufficient cause for a stay of execution, and the media will always distort and misrepresent, either through malice or incompetence . Thus, any sort of wonky policy demand that speaks only to the already politically active is unproductive and serves to marginalize and entrench the protest into a pre -exiting middle-class protest community. The government will give us nothing, we need to build the numbers to take ... The only positive function of demands is solidarity and recruitment: the simpler, broader and more universal, the better .
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Willie Osterweil <wosterweil@gmail.com> wrote: And nothing gets the blood of the people stirring like a call to reinstate Glass -Steagall. Yup, I can see it now, the media suddenly exploding with coverage, the ramparts filling with the oppressed and underrepresented: "They've called for the reinstatement of Glass Steagall! Quickly, comrades, to arms! To arms! For Glass Steagall!"
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:58 AM, diane sare <dwsare@gmail.com> wrote: Glass -Steagall would bust up the "too big to fail" banks, let the speculators rot, as they should, and protect the small savings and loan banks, which means people's savings, mortgages, there would be hope for pension funds, etc . In other words, Glass -Steagall would bankrupt Wall Street -- it's not the whole recovery, but it IS the first step to protecting the PEOPLE, and making it possible to think long term about radical things we used to do, like water management, rail building etc . On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: Hi all, I apologize for being off-list and off-the-streets for a few days, but I was lucky enough to become a father on September 17! I personally believe that the obstination of some members of the NYCGA on not having demands has proved disastrous and resulted in a PR debacle. Invariably, almost all mainstream media accounts of the protests note that the demonstrators have confused ideas and are probably motivated by merely ideological motives. Further, this refusal of having demands has nothing to do with the current movements in the Middle East, Spain and Greece all of which have clear and loud demands. In the case of Arab countries and Middle Eastern autocracies the demand cannot be but one (remove the dictator). In Greece and Spain the situation is more complex but the movements there have been able to develop specific analyses and requests. In particular the Joint Economics Working Group of Syntagma Square and Puerta del Sol have drafted a document (http://bit.ly/npCWkg ) that lists a specific set of demands, such as the request of nationalizing the banks, withdrawing the EU/IMF Memorandum imposed on Greece, make the accounting records transparent, and so forth .
As I have previously suggested, the three simple demands that the NYCGA should have raised in the call to Occupy Wall Street should have been: 1) Reintroduction of the Glass -Steagall Act,
2) Immediate introduction of a Tobin Tax or Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions both at a national and international level. On a national level, it would be sufficient for Congress to pass it. On an international level, the IMF could subordinate loans to countries in debt to the introduction of a Tobin Tax instead of requiring massive privatizations as it ordinarily does through the notorious structural adjustment programs. In Europe, Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy have officialized their support to the introduction of such tax in the EU about three weeks ago. Last June over 1,000 economist submitted a letter by 1,000 economists to the G20 last April that explains why the idea of a global Robin Hood Tax has come of age. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/apr/13/robin-hoodtax-economists-letter) Robinhoodtax.org, a web site run by a British NGO that explains in very simple terms how it works and how much revenue it could generate. The NGO also has a Facebook page. 3) Raise taxes on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains by pairing the long-term capital gains tax rate (which applies to financial assets held for more than a year) to the ordinary income tax rates. At the moment, thanks to the Tax Reconciliation Act signed by Bush into law in 2006 and extended by the Obama administration to 2012 and beyond, capital gains cannot be taxed more than 20% whereas income tax is taxed up to 35%. This means that if your wage falls for example in the $35,000-83,000 bracket your income tax is 25% whereas if you make 1, 10, or 100 million dollars on the stock market your pay 20% only. Even Warren Buffett says that this system is openly unjust and that the current taxation system is profoundly unbalanced and skewed towards financial profit. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddlingthe-super-rich.html) These three proposals are far from revolutionary yet they could begin raising specific questions and help bring a variety of subjects into the conversation. The notion that a movement is defined by its demands is ridiculous. A social
movement is much more than a set of demands yet demands help those who are not on your side understand who you are and where you come from. Two other critical points that should be discussed in the GA are the public funding of political campaigns and the two-party system. A paramount political objective should be to get corporations to stop funding political candidates . You cannot have real democracy with the current system of fundraising. A truly democratic system would give each citizen a tax bonus of the SAME AMOUNT and enable each one of us to decide how to allocate such money . A truly democratic society should also not rely on forms of political representation based on a majoritarian (first-past-the-post) electoral system. If we are the 99% of the country, then we ought to be able to convince the rest of the nation that the 99% counts in fact nothing. And corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main targets of a campaign for real democracy. To sum up, the question of the redistribution of wealth and democratic control over the financial system cannot be disconnected from the question of political representation. Organizing a movement that fights "against representative politics" does not mean in my opinion to fight against *any* form of representation, but certainly against the current system of representation. We are over 6 billions on this planet. Thinking that each individual should have the right to decide on every issue in every part of the world at all times may sound fascinating but it is simply unrealistic and unrealizable. Whether we like it or not, we constantly delegate to others the understanding of issues and execution of tasks we simply do not have the time to understand and care about . (The worldwide professionalization of national armies and the advanced specialization of knowledge in scientific and academic research are just two notable cases in point). Thus the question is not how to abolish authority and representation per se but how to produce forms of representation that are truly representative, renewable and non-ossified. The NYCGA could be such a body, once we live behind the rather childish notion that demands define us and by defining us trap us in some blind alley from which we'll be unable to move forward. Cheers, Snafu
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Winter Siroco september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice Sunday, September 25, 2011 12:35:27 PM
I think I like the previous suggestion better:
End control of the government by global banks, corporations, and billionaires and I would keep the others in the shorten version because the extensions are redundant, it is implicit, except for the vulnerable groups so:
End control of the government by global banks, corporations and billionaires, Creating a real participatory democracy Ending the oppression on all marginalized and vulnerable groups. Promoting peace, solidarity, and opportunity for all. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:54 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: How about:
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: I agree, perhaps it could be OUR GOALS ARE:
Cesar On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: "Making the banks, corporations and the rich pay" is a bit vengeful and I think too open-ended. Besides, we don't want them just to pay, we want to change the system that allows them to amass such huge wealth and influence in the first place. The way banks work is that ordinary people put their savings into banks*, and the banks take our money and sling it around and invest it in all kinds of corporate and capital projects to help big corporations squeeze out the little guys and leverage their money to invade further facets of our lives (schools, hospitals, prisons, etc). I think the first goal should read something closer to "end the control of government and the economy by banks, corporations, and the rich." or "end the control of our lives by the crony system between big business and big government." I'm aware that the phrase "big government" is a loaded term
that conjures up visions of black helicopters and wasteful spending among the Tea Party and Republicans, but the thing is that there are black helicopters and wasteful spending, it's just that the welfare queens and are actually corporations and not poor single women. So I think that's not too bad of a way to bridge the gap. *It's really sick when you think of it as a co-operative where everybody pools all our wealth in one place, and then the bankers use it to amass huge wealth for themselves and make us powerless There's all kinds of parts of the finance world where the super rich form what are basically co-ops for their exclusive benefit (a good example is the Depository Trust and Clearing Corporation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dtcc). In solidarity, Jon
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 6:26 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: No, no the original is better Making the banks, corporations, and the rich pay
Yes, the first needs reworking.
What about:
Our goals are:
To end the Wall Street bending of the law, and the aristocratic right to tax exemption,
Creating a real participatory democracy,

Cesar
Ending the oppression of all marginalized groups, and Promoting peace, solidarity, and economic justice.
Corporations do not have children, they do not have souls, the exist for shortterm profit and they control our government. People don't have a voice - it is drowned out by corporate messaging, lobbyists on their behalf, campaign contributions. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 12:05 AM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
On 09/24/11, Winter Siroco<wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, simple, broad and not demands but goals. Cesar On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Willie Osterweil <wosterweil@gmail.com> wrote: I think if we use demands at all we need to be focused on simple, clear demands that will enlarge our ranks . The house/senate wont pass anything even remotely looking like a change in wealth distribution, the Obama administration bends over backwards to appease the bi -partisan banks, the Supreme Court declares that proof of innocence is insufficient cause for a stay of execution, and the media will always distort and misrepresent, either through malice or incompetence . Thus, any sort of wonky policy demand that speaks only to the already politically active is unproductive and serves to marginalize and entrench the protest into a pre -exiting middle-class protest community. The government will give us nothing, we need to build the numbers to take ... The only positive function of demands is solidarity and recruitment: the simpler, broader and more universal, the better .
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Willie Osterweil <wosterweil@gmail.com> wrote: And nothing gets the blood of the people stirring like a call to reinstate Glass -Steagall. Yup, I can see it now, the media suddenly exploding with coverage, the ramparts filling with the oppressed and underrepresented: "They've called for the reinstatement of Glass -Steagall! Quickly, comrades, to arms! To arms! For Glass Steagall!"
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:58 AM, diane sare <dwsare@gmail.com> wrote: Glass -Steagall would bust up the "too big to fail" banks, let the speculators rot, as they should, and protect the small savings and loan banks, which means people's savings, mortgages, there would be hope for pension funds, etc . In other words, Glass -Steagall would bankrupt Wall Street -- it's not the whole recovery, but it IS the first step to protecting the PEOPLE, and making it possible to think long -term about radical things we used to do, like water management, rail building etc . On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: Hi all, I apologize for being off-list and off-the-streets for a few days, but I was lucky enough to become a father on September 17! I personally believe that the obstination of some members of the NYCGA on not having demands has proved disastrous and resulted in a PR debacle. Invariably, almost all mainstream media accounts of the protests note that the demonstrators have confused ideas and are probably motivated by merely ideological motives. Further, this refusal of having demands has nothing to do with the current movements in the Middle East, Spain and Greece all of which have clear and loud demands. In the case of Arab countries and Middle Eastern autocracies the demand cannot be but one (remove the dictator). In Greece and Spain the situation is more complex but the movements there have been able to develop specific analyses and requests. In particular the Joint Economics Working Group of Syntagma Square and Puerta del Sol have drafted a document (http://bit.ly/npCWkg ) that lists a specific set of demands, such as the request of nationalizing the banks, withdrawing the EU/IMF Memorandum imposed on Greece, make the accounting records transparent, and so forth . As I have previously suggested, the three simple demands that the NYCGA should have raised in the call to Occupy Wall Street should have been: 1) Reintroduction of the Glass -Steagall Act,
a law regulating the bank system that separated investment banks from commercial banks. This law, originally approved in 1933 and signed into law by FDR has been repealed in 1999. As Wikipedia
simply states it, "Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 20072011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlassSteagall_Act
2) Immediate introduction of a Tobin Tax or Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions both at a national and international level. On a national level, it would be sufficient for Congress to pass it. On an international level, the IMF could subordinate loans to countries in debt to the introduction of a Tobin Tax instead of requiring massive privatizations as it ordinarily does through the notorious structural adjustment programs. In Europe, Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy have officialized their support to the introduction of such tax in the EU about three weeks ago. Last June over 1,000 economist submitted a letter by 1,000 economists to the G20 last April that explains why the idea of a global Robin Hood Tax has come of age. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/apr/13/robin-hoodtax-economists-letter) Robinhoodtax.org, a web site run by a British NGO that explains in very simple terms how it works and how much revenue it could generate. The NGO also has a Facebook page. 3) Raise taxes on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains by pairing the long-term capital gains tax rate (which applies to financial assets held for more than a year) to the ordinary income tax rates. At the moment, thanks to the Tax Reconciliation Act signed by Bush into law in 2006 and extended by the Obama administration to 2012 and beyond, capital gains cannot be taxed more than 20% whereas income tax is taxed up to 35%. This means that if your wage falls for example in the $35,000-83,000 bracket your income tax is 25% whereas if you make 1, 10, or 100 million dollars on the stock market your pay 20% only. Even Warren Buffett says that this system is openly unjust and that the current taxation system is profoundly unbalanced and skewed towards financial profit. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddlingthe-super-rich.html) These three proposals are far from revolutionary yet they could begin raising specific questions and help bring a variety of subjects into the conversation. The notion that a movement is defined by its demands is ridiculous. A social
movement is much more than a set of demands yet demands help those who are not on your side understand who you are and where you come from. Two other critical points that should be discussed in the GA are the public funding of political campaigns and the two-party system. A paramount political objective should be to get corporations to stop funding political candidates . You cannot have real democracy with the current system of fundraising. A truly democratic system would give each citizen a tax bonus of the SAME AMOUNT and enable each one of us to decide how to allocate such money . A truly democratic society should also not rely on forms of political representation based on a majoritarian (first-past-the-post) electoral system. If we are the 99% of the country, then we ought to be able to convince the rest of the nation that the 99% counts in fact nothing. And corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main targets of a campaign for real democracy. To sum up, the question of the redistribution of wealth and democratic control over the financial system cannot be disconnected from the question of political representation. Organizing a movement that fights "against representative politics" does not mean in my opinion to fight against *any* form of representation, but certainly against the current system of representation. We are over 6 billions on this planet. Thinking that each individual should have the right to decide on every issue in every part of the world at all times may sound fascinating but it is simply unrealistic and unrealizable. Whether we like it or not, we constantly delegate to others the understanding of
issues and execution of tasks we simply do not have the time to understand and care about . (The worldwide professionalization of national armies and the advanced specialization of knowledge in scientific and academic research are just two notable cases in point). Thus the question is not how to abolish authority and representation per se but how to produce forms of representation that are truly representative, renewable and non-ossified. The NYCGA could be such a body, once we live behind the rather childish notion that demands define us and by defining us trap us in some blind alley from which we'll be unable to move forward. Cheers, Snafu
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Winter Siroco september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice Sunday, September 25, 2011 1:48:10 AM
Yes, the first needs reworking. What about: Our goals are:
Cesar
To end the Wall Street bending of the law, and the aristocratic right to tax exemption, Creating a real participatory democracy, Ending the oppression of all marginalized groups, and Promoting peace, solidarity, and economic justice.
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 12:13 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Making the banks, corporations, and the rich pay, sounds so stupid and greedy! DON'T let that happen.
Corporations do not have children, they do not have souls, the exist for short-term profit and they control our government. People don't have a voice - it is drowned out by corporate messaging, lobbyists on their behalf, campaign contributions. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 12:05 AM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
I can get behind this. Can we all agree on a message soon? Our soundbite world is unable to comprehend complexity. Many keep calling us stupid because we think too much. lol
On 09/24/11, Winter Siroco<wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, simple, broad and not demands but goals. Cesar
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Willie Osterweil <wosterweil@gmail.com> wrote: I think if we use demands at all we need to be focused on simple, clear demands that will enlarge our ranks. The house/senate wont pass anything even remotely looking like a change in wealth distribution, the Obama administration bends over backwards to appease the bi-partisan banks, the Supreme Court declares that proof of innocence is insufficient cause for a stay of execution, and the media will always distort and misrepresent, either through malice or incompetence. Thus, any sort of wonky policy demand that speaks only to the already politically active is unproductive and serves to marginalize and entrench the protest into a pre-exiting middle-class protest community. The government will give us nothing, we need to build the numbers to take... The only positive function of demands is solidarity and recruitment: the simpler, broader and more universal, the better.
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: ...true, true...so, what would be your positive contribution or rearangement of priorities? be constructive. Cesar
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Willie Osterweil <wosterweil@gmail.com> wrote: And nothing gets the blood of the people stirring like a call to reinstate Glass-Steagall. Yup, I can see it now, the media suddenly exploding with coverage, the ramparts filling with the oppressed and underrepresented: "They've called for the reinstatement of Glass-Steagall! Quickly, comrades, to arms! To arms! For Glass Steagall!"
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:58 AM, diane sare <dwsare@gmail.com> wrote: Glass-Steagall would bust up the "too big to fail" banks, let the speculators rot, as they should, and protect the small savings and loan banks, which means people's savings, mortgages, there would be hope for pension funds, etc. In other words, Glass-Steagall would bankrupt Wall Street -- it's not the whole recovery, but it IS the first step to protecting the PEOPLE, and making it possible to think long-term about radical things we used to do, like water management, rail building etc. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: Hi all, I apologize for being off-list and off-the-streets for a few days, but I was lucky enough to become a father on September 17! I personally believe that the obstination of some members of the NYCGA on not having demands has proved disastrous and resulted in a PR debacle. Invariably, almost all mainstream media accounts of the protests note that the demonstrators have confused ideas and are probably motivated by merely ideological motives. Further, this refusal of having demands has nothing to do with the current movements in the Middle East, Spain and Greece all of which have clear and loud demands. In the case of Arab countries and Middle Eastern autocracies the demand cannot be but one (remove the dictator). In Greece and Spain the situation is more complex but the movements there have been able to develop specific analyses and requests. In particular the Joint Economics Working Group of Syntagma Square and Puerta del Sol have drafted a document (http://bit.ly/npCWkg) that lists a specific set of demands, such as the request of nationalizing the banks, withdrawing the EU/IMF Memorandum imposed on Greece, make the accounting records transparent, and so forth. As I have previously suggested, the three simple demands that the NYCGA should have raised in the call to Occupy Wall Street should have been:
2) Immediate introduction of a Tobin Tax or Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions both at a national and international level. On a national level, it would be sufficient for Congress to pass it. On an international level, the IMF could subordinate loans to countries in debt to the introduction of a Tobin Tax instead of requiring massive privatizations as it ordinarily does through the notorious structural adjustment programs. In Europe, Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy have officialized their support to the introduction of such tax in the EU about three weeks ago. Last June over 1,000 economist submitted a letter by 1,000 economists to the G20 last April that explains why the idea of a global Robin Hood Tax has come of age. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/apr/13/robinhood-tax-economists-letter) Robinhoodtax.org, a web site run by a British NGO that explains in very simple terms how it works and how much revenue it could generate. The NGO also has a Facebook page. 3) Raise taxes on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains by pairing the long-term capital gains tax rate (which applies to financial assets held for more than a year) to the ordinary income tax rates. At the moment, thanks to the Tax Reconciliation Act signed by Bush into law in 2006 and extended by the Obama administration to 2012 and beyond, capital gains cannot be taxed more than 20% whereas income tax is taxed up to 35%. This means that if your wage falls for example in the $35,000-83,000 bracket your income tax is 25% whereas if you make 1, 10, or 100 million dollars on the stock market your pay 20% only. Even Warren Buffett says that this system is openly unjust and that the current taxation system is profoundly unbalanced and skewed towards financial profit. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stopcoddling-the-super-rich.html) These three proposals are far from revolutionary yet they could begin raising specific questions and help bring a variety of subjects into the conversation. The notion that a movement is defined by its demands is ridiculous. A social movement is much more than a set of demands
yet demands help those who are not on your side understand who you are and where you come from. Two other critical points that should be discussed in the GA are the public funding of political campaigns and the two-party system. A paramount political objective should be to get corporations to stop funding political candidates. You cannot have real democracy with the current system of fundraising. A truly democratic system would give
1) Reintroduction of the Glass-Steagall Act,
each citizen a tax bonus of the SAME AMOUNT and enable each one of us to decide how to allocate such money. A truly democratic society should also not rely on forms of political representation based on a majoritarian (first-past-the-post) electoral system. If we are the 99% of the country, then we ought to be able to convince the rest of the nation that the 99% counts in fact nothing. And corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main targets of a campaign for real democracy. To sum up, the question of the redistribution of wealth and democratic control over the financial system cannot be disconnected from the question of political representation. Organizing a movement that fights "against representative politics" does not mean in my opinion to fight against *any* form of representation, but certainly against the current system of representation. We are over 6 billions on this planet. Thinking that each individual should have the right to decide on every issue in every part of the world at all times may sound fascinating but it is simply unrealistic and unrealizable. Whether we like it or not, we constantly delegate to others the understanding of issues and execution of tasks we simply do not have the time to understand and care about. (The worldwide professionalization of national armies and the advanced specialization of knowledge in scientific and academic research are just two notable cases in point). Thus the question is not how to abolish authority and representation per se but how to produce forms of representation that are truly representative, renewable and non-ossified. The NYCGA could be such a body, once we live behind the rather childish notion that demands define us and by defining us trap us in some blind alley from which we'll be unable to move forward. Cheers, Snafu
-Diane Sare cell: 201-220-7731
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: RE: Re: Re: [september17discuss] Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:26:29 AM
No, no the original is better
Making the banks, corporations, and the rich pay

Yes, the first needs reworking. What about:

Our goals are: To end
Cesar
the Wall Street bending of the law, and the aristocratic right to tax exemption, Creating a real participatory democracy, Ending the oppression of all marginalized groups, and Promoting peace, solidarity, and economic justice.
Corporations do not have children, they do not have souls, the exist for short-term profit and they control our government. People don't have a voice - it is drowned out by corporate messaging, lobbyists on their behalf, campaign contributions. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 12:05 AM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
I can get behind this . Can we all agree on a message soon? Our soundbite world is unable to comprehend complexity. Many keep calling us stupid because we think too much . lol On 09/24/11, Winter Siroco<wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: After a lot of talking and consulting some of us agree with 4 points that everybody may endorse. Of course, everybody should seriously think about specific strategies to accomplish these goals.
On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 10:59 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: +1 On 09/24/11, Winter Siroco<wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, simple, broad and not demands but goals.
Cesar On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Willie Osterweil <wosterweil@gmail.com> wrote: I think if we use demands at all we need to be focused on simple, clear demands that will enlarge our ranks . The house/senate wont pass anything even remotely looking like a change in wealth distribution, the Obama administration bends over backwards to appease the bi -partisan banks, the Supreme Court declares that proof of innocence is insufficient cause for a stay of execution, and the media will always distort and misrepresent, either through malice or incompetence . Thus, any sort of wonky policy demand that speaks only to the already politically active is unproductive and serves to marginalize and entrench the protest into a pre -exiting middle-class protest community. The government will give us nothing, we need to build the numbers to take ... The only positive function of demands is solidarity and recruitment: the simpler, broader and more universal, the better .
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Willie Osterweil <wosterweil@gmail.com> wrote: And nothing gets the blood of the people stirring like a call to reinstate Glass -Steagall. Yup, I can see it now, the media suddenly exploding with coverage, the ramparts filling with the oppressed and underrepresented: "They've called for the reinstatement of Glass -Steagall! Quickly, comrades, to arms! To arms! For Glass Steagall!"
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:58 AM, diane sare <dwsare@gmail.com> wrote: Glass -Steagall would bust up the "too big to fail" banks, let the speculators rot, as they should, and protect the small savings and loan banks, which means people's savings, mortgages, there would be hope for pension funds, etc . In other words, Glass -Steagall would bankrupt Wall Street -- it's not the whole recovery, but it IS the first step to protecting the PEOPLE, and making it possible to think long -term about radical things we used to do, like water management, rail building etc . On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: Hi all, I apologize for being off-list and off-the-streets for a few days, but I was lucky enough to become a father on September 17! I personally believe that the obstination of some members of the NYCGA on not having demands has proved disastrous and resulted in a PR debacle. Invariably, almost all mainstream media accounts of the protests note that the demonstrators have confused ideas and are probably motivated by merely ideological motives. Further, this refusal of having demands has nothing to do with the current movements in the Middle East, Spain and Greece all of which have clear and loud demands. In the case of Arab countries and Middle Eastern autocracies the demand cannot be but one (remove the dictator). In Greece and Spain the situation is more complex but the movements there have been able to develop specific analyses and requests. In particular the Joint Economics Working Group of Syntagma Square and Puerta del Sol have drafted a document (http://bit.ly/npCWkg ) that lists a specific set of demands, such as the request of nationalizing the banks, withdrawing the EU/IMF Memorandum imposed on Greece, make the accounting records transparent, and so forth . As I have previously suggested, the three simple demands that the NYCGA should have raised in the call to Occupy Wall Street should have been: 1) Reintroduction of the Glass -Steagall Act,
2) Immediate introduction of a Tobin Tax or Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions both at a national and international level. On a national level, it would be sufficient for Congress to pass it. On an international level, the IMF could subordinate loans to countries in debt to the introduction of a Tobin Tax instead of requiring massive privatizations as it ordinarily does through the notorious structural adjustment programs. In Europe, Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy have officialized their support to the introduction of such tax in the EU about three weeks ago. Last June over 1,000 economist submitted a
letter by 1,000 economists to the G20 last April that explains why the idea of a global Robin Hood Tax has come of age. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/apr/13/robin-hood-taxeconomists-letter) Robinhoodtax.org, a web site run by a British NGO that explains in very simple terms how it works and how much revenue it could generate. The NGO also has a Facebook page. 3) Raise taxes on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains by pairing the long-term capital gains tax rate (which applies to financial assets held for more than a year) to the ordinary income tax rates. At the moment, thanks to the Tax Reconciliation Act signed by Bush into law in 2006 and extended by the Obama administration to 2012 and beyond, capital gains cannot be taxed more than 20% whereas income tax is taxed up to 35%. This means that if your wage falls for example in the $35,000-83,000 bracket your income tax is 25% whereas if you make 1, 10, or 100 million dollars on the stock market your pay 20% only. Even Warren Buffett says that this system is openly unjust and that the current taxation system is profoundly unbalanced and skewed towards financial profit. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-thesuper-rich.html) These three proposals are far from revolutionary yet they could begin raising specific questions and help bring a variety of subjects into the conversation. The notion that a movement is defined by its demands is ridiculous. A social movement is much more than a set of
demands yet demands help those who are not on your side understand who you are and where you come from. Two other critical points that should be discussed in the GA are the public funding of political campaigns and the two-party system. A paramount political objective should be to get corporations to stop funding political candidates . You cannot have real democracy with the current system of fundraising. A truly democratic system would give each citizen a tax bonus of the SAME AMOUNT and enable each one of us to decide how to allocate such money . A truly democratic society should also not rely on forms of political representation based on a majoritarian (first-past-the-post) electoral system. If we are the 99% of the country, then we ought to be able to convince the rest of the nation that the 99% counts in fact nothing. And corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main targets of a campaign for real democracy. To sum up, the question of the redistribution of wealth and democratic control over the financial system cannot be disconnected from the question of political representation. Organizing a movement that fights "against representative politics" does not mean in my opinion to fight against *any* form of representation, but certainly against the current system of representation. We are over 6 billions on this planet. Thinking that each individual should have the right to decide on every issue in every part of the world at all times may sound fascinating but it is simply unrealistic and unrealizable. Whether we like it or not, we constantly delegate to others the understanding of issues and execution of tasks we simply do not have the time to understand and care about . (The worldwide professionalization of national armies and the advanced specialization of knowledge in scientific and academic research are just two notable cases in point). Thus the question is not how to abolish authority and representation per se but how to produce forms of representation that are truly representative, renewable and non-ossified. The NYCGA could be such a body, once we live behind the rather childish notion that demands define us and by defining us trap us in some blind alley from which we'll be unable to move forward. Cheers, Snafu
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] dangers of not having a clear message, NY Times article Sept 24, Metropolitan section, pg 1 Sunday, September 25, 2011 1:54:24 PM
Right, we need to specify what the money is to be used for. The specific wording can be tweaked, and it can be expressed in several demands - it doesn't have to be a single demand/slogan - for instance: Tax Wall Street, Big Corporations and the Rich Create Jobs, Stop Layoffs No Cuts to Social Services On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:31 AM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
"an incredibly popular position" is exactly what we need, and taxes and budget cuts are interwined (as I know you are fully aware). But I agree that "making wall st pay" is too easily manipulated and doesn't make that connection. We need a simple way to demand both things together that all of those people that say "tax the rich to pay for jobs" can get behind.
On 09/25/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: I think that demanding to "make Wall Street pay" does need to be part of our demands. First, this is an incredibly popular position. A majority of Americans support raising taxes on banks, corporations and the rich, although you wouldn't know it by listening to the mainstream media. Second, budget cuts are causing huge numbers of layoffs (the Post Office intends to lay off 120,000 workers!) and cuts to vital social services (public hospitals in NYC have been decimated, for instance - the system is on the verge of a total breakdown). Raising demands around these issues is key to attracting support from workers, the labor movement and those who rely on public services. Doug On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:12 AM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: Sorry I'm off thread, but Obama is being accused of trying to cut a deal with the big banks to avoid law suits and prosecution. http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=FE43106F-4CE8-42D7-B0B8-65C32DD91E48 It seems relative to our message. On 09/25/11, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote: I like this one better than any of the others I have seen!
On 09/25/11, Jon Good<therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: These are great, but I think they can be tightened up so they are immediately accessible to anyone who reads them regardless of their age, education, or first language.
OUR GOALS ARE 1) Stop the special laws that let banks and corporations take our money and resources 2) Create a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people
3) End oppression of all groups 4) Promote peace, solidarity, and economic justice NOTES on why I put them this way: 1) This is a simple statement of how crony capitalism works. 2) Most Americans still do believe in the promise America we learned in grade school, and so referencing Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, while somewhat corny, will totally work. 3) "Marginalized" is a nice word for educated people to use, but it is totally meaningless (or inspires indignation) to people who don't know what it means, or have misconceptions about what it means. No groups should be oppressed. Seriously 4) Is fine the way it is On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree, perhaps it could be OUR GOALS ARE:
Cesar On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:32 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: I'm afraid this will just play into the notion that we are a bunch of lazy bums! At least add "pay...their fair share." In general though I think it's safer and true to emphasize that corporate money is controlling our government, which is no longer democratic.
"Making the banks, corporations, and the rich pay"
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Andy Warhol was a great artist, but he is not necessarily the best guide to political strategy. He saw fame as an end in itself, which is not what we are trying to achieve here, so I think that his perspective is actually not something we want to follow. Many people may see the Times article and not look for any further information because of what they read there. Doug
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 7:49 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Absolutely- but remember that Andy Warhol said of press coverage, don't read what they write about you, but measure it in inches. The actual information is a google away for people who are supportive. I am so happy with all the coverage, negative or not, pieces of our motives are getting out there. Well done everyone.
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
The NY Times, which had previously published mainly a large picture of

women dancing bare breasted, now printed a Sunday article by Gina Bellafante which trivializes our movement. One problem with not having demands (or goals? messages?) or spokespersons is that journalists who want to put down our movement and discourage people from joining will get away with quoting only people who make us look unserious. (There is another Times article by Colin Moynihan almost entirely about the arrests which, however, does sum up the purpose of Occupy Wall Street in 1 sentence which says we are against a financial system that participants say favors the rich and powerful over ordinary citizens.) I know the bourgeois media will always attack us, but are we doing enough to inhibit their distortions? Here she quotes a half naked woman dancing on Bway who is said to be time traveling back to 1968 and says Ive been waiting for this all my life, but the context makes dubious what shes been waiting for; someone else says she just came to create spectacles, another wants to get rid of the combustion engine (not a bad idea, but hardly our critique of the domination by the 1%); another is a right wing supporter of Milton Friedman and Ron Paul who just wants to get rid of the Federal Reserve. Similarly the only sign quoted says Even if the world were to end tomorrow, Id still plant a tree and in this context underlines its unconcern for real political change (clamoring for nothing in particular to happen,), not its positive commitment. . With only such messages as evidence, she gets away with implying that we are ignorant about the economy, and mocks our having no demands and our wish to pantomime progressivism rather than practice it knowledgably. We need to make incontestably clear what our message is.
From: september17@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Winter Siroco Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice
After a lot of talking and consulting some of us agree with 4 points that everybody may endorse. Of course, everybody should seriously think about specific strategies to accomplish these goals.
Our goals are:
Making the banks, corporations, and the rich pay, Creating a real participatory democracy,
Ending the oppression of all marginalized groups, and
Cesar
Promoting peace, solidarity, and economic justice.
globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of jason ahmadi globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com useless Monday, September 26, 2011 10:57:48 AM
Hey all, Thanks for adding me as an editor of the livestream channel but I am proving to be useless. Every time I try and access the studio page, the browser crashed on me. I think it is a combination of an older computer and a slow internet connection. My staph is healing, but just not fast enough. Soon I will be back on the front lines with all of you, but in the meantime I suppose all I can do is rest. Peace and Love, Jason
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Begonia Santa-Cecilia; Winter Siroco; Vicente Rubio; Angel Luis Lara [september17discuss] #OccupyWallStreet stays alive by becoming #WeAreThe99% Monday, September 19, 2011 11:47:56 PM
Dear friends, It looks like #OccupyWallStreet is in urgent need of a massive and targeted outreach operation to stay alive. The key to the success of the movement is to be inclusive. Right now the movement is too homogeneous, due to the "activist" imaginary and language identified with it (example: the word "occupy", the images of stereotypical activists used by Adbusters, etc). If we really want to start a massive movement like the ones in Egypt, Iceland, Spain, Greece, etc, we should change those referents. If we don't act quickly the movement will vanish, and it would have been just another activist movement. I propose that we start today a fast and massive outreach campaign with this idea: #WeAreThe99%. This is the plan: we put all our energy and resources in outreaching for the #WeAreThe99% Day which will happen next Saturday 23rd, at our space in Zucotti/Liberty Park. We propose tomorrow at the assembly: everyone form groups and march right now to different spots in the city (squares, neighborhoods, universities, labor unions) with signs, fliers, and a clear message: "Political parties govern in the name of the 1% that control almost all financial wealth. We are the 99%." "We have taken a space at the heart of Wall Street to start changing this situation. Join us at Zucotti/Liberty Park on Saturday September 23rd for the We Are The 99% Day. Stay with us." What do you think? We have a lot of attention in the internet and even mainstream media, let's use it now before it's gone! Let's create a really inclusive and massive movement, let's go beyond traditional identities, let's become a real multitude!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of pirijod september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] #TroyDavis and #OccupyWallStreet Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:32:29 AM
Hi everyone! There are people organizing an Outreach Day for #TroyDavis in Union Square at 5pm. The call is really spreading out in Twitter. Don't you think we should go there and try to take the people to #OccupyWallStreet? I think we should bond #TroyDavis and #OccupyWallStreet in Twitter as much as we can. ruso.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Alexa D. O"Brien september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] [Strategic Suggestion and Test] Friday, September 23, 2011 6:58:01 PM
Suggestion for #occupywallstreet Political discourse in the US has devolved into three rhetorical devices: demagoguery, false hope, and parody. Symptoms of a broken nation. When our elections are owned by citizens, my hunch is every other important organization and institution just might (most definitely will) follow suit. Obtain a permit from the Mayor's Office for Film and Television to film a reality show of #occupywallstreet. Approach Teamsters for transp and IATSE Local 52 for Grip, Electric, and Set building to run temp entertainment power and build structures that would not require building permits. It is legal to#takewallstreet in the United States of America and New York City when you are a spectacle and parody, but not if you are the real deal. The scenario would test the power structure of the unions (do they belong to rank and file), the independence of the NYC GA, and the very notion of the first amendment and local, state, and federal government. Ideology will not save us, just and stable institutions will. -Alexa O'Brien
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17 [september17discuss] A word about outreach Wednesday, September 21, 2011 7:26:18 AM
Just seconding the thought about watching out for "riot porn." I wrote to a journalist from WIRED on Twitter inviting him to spend the night in the park and his response is as follows: "@grimwomyn The second post down makes that seem pretty scary. I hope everyone is (and stays) okay." Support, but fear of coming to the park. :(
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud Micah White; september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] about you conversation with Harrison - clarification about "activist" imagery Wednesday, September 21, 2011 4:22:33 PM ATT00335.htm flyer.pdf
Dear Micah, Please allow me to take a minute of your time in this exciting days. I'm a member of Democracia Real Ya-NYC and participant in the NYC-GA. Adbusters has done a great job and I'm so thankful for you guys starting #OccupyWallStreet. It is true though that for some of us the activist imagery you sometimes use (such us in the background of the ballerina poster) seems in risk of somewhat closing the movement to other people. From our experience in May 15th movement in Spain, one of the most important things was that people who had never been involved in politics or activism joined. This, I think is actually the distinctive feature of tha Arab Spring and European assembly movements: they are inclusive in their discourse, their imagery, and their materiality. This is why some of us in the movement are trying to push for a more open direction, and we actually are putting out a call for next Saturday that we think would be more attractive for people outside our still too homogeneous crowd right now. It would be really great if Adbusters agrees with this analysis and help us distributing this flyers, or making your own. Thanks a lot and solidarity!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lisa Fithian september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] action resources Monday, September 19, 2011 1:32:44 PM
Glad to share! I have lots of action, legal, medical, art, training, consensus etc materials on my website: www.organizingforpower.org Look on column to left to organizing and action resources Also lots under Link section Peace, Lisa
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Conor Toms Reed Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 11:29 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Industry player sites
Thank you for sending this info out, Lisa!! This is exactly what a few people were suggesting yesterday in mapping out "pressure points" in the financial district to target this week. Any chance we can have another CD discussion/training this week in anticipation of Friday? What about getting in touch with USUncut folks who held teach-ins/parties in bank locations around NYC? How about we try to "adopt" a few bank lobbies on Wednesday? We can record flashmobs to boost online pizazz. see y'all tonight, -Conor On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Lisa Fithian <fithianl@igc.org> wrote: Again Attached are some maps of industry players in Wall St and Mid-Town If you need other sites to visit. (Goldman is no longer at 85 Broad) The Partnership for New York City is an industry association of all the wealthy players in NY - just off of Broadway not far from Staten Island Ferry is a great place too! http://www.pfnyc.org/partners-list.html The Downtown Association rich peoples club just down the street from JP Chase Plaza http://www.thedta.com/Default.aspx? p=DynamicModule&PageId=255381&ssid=115062&vnf=1
Great Lobbies in WS area Duetche Bank on Wall Street multiple entrances including subway Winter Garden in the World Financial Center on the west side JP Morgan Chase Plaza subway accessible Partnership Building ATT&T on Water Street One Financial Plaza Wells Fargo & Morgan Stanley
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Another press opening Tuesday, September 20, 2011 9:01:03 PM
From RayDipesto on twitter, "any chance of getting a phone number of someone for a radio interview who has been involved there? Australian community radio""
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gabjoh2@gmail.com september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Any word on who"s coming? Friday, September 23, 2011 6:34:35 AM
Any word on what colleges or other organized groups are coming this weekend, and when? As someone who'll be here through the weekend (with short breaks), I'd love to know who I'm welcoming. --glj Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Yoni Golijov september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Arrest - Critical Condition Saturday, September 24, 2011 6:30:56 PM
Hello Friends and Family! I heard there were 96 arrests today at union square and that one was in critical condition, a friend of mine called me and we thought it was a mutual friend Danny so I called the police switchboard, they told me one person has been transferred to beth israel, I called Beth Israel and they didnt have my friend on record neither in the ER, but I believe someone May still Be at beth israel since the police told me one was taken. Any info or possible names? Maybe someone can go to beth israel and find out who it is? Love and Solidarity! -yOni
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17 nlgnyc@igc.org [september17discuss] Blonde woman who has arrested today at #occupywallstreet: video Saturday, September 24, 2011 8:24:15 PM
http://youtu.be/QDyrQpccfgw I don't know who she is, but she keeps repeatedly saying "i asked not to be touched" Hope she is safe and that this video helps her out.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of NicolasMoselleAllen september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Boots Riley of the Coup at Wall Street Saturday, September 24, 2011 1:49:28 AM
Hey All, Scanning the twitter feed, I saw that Boots Riley of Oakland Hip-hop crew the Coup is going to be present at the march tomorrow. Those that are more technically adept than I (most everyone,) can we get in touch with Boots through twitter and get him with us tomorrow? And if you don't know who the Coup are, do yourself a favor! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsUDGxdeICw Best, Nico
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of NicolasMoselleAllen september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Brecht Forum and Occupy Wall Street Synergy Friday, September 23, 2011 11:56:25 PM
Hi All, I'm talking these days with Kazembe, one of the main guys behind the Brecht Forum, about organizing speakers to give presentations in Zuccotti Park. The Forum has a considerable rolodex of lefties to draw upon, everyone from Slavoj Zizek to David Harvey to Richard Wolff, and the fact that he is open to working with us is fantastic. I'm contacting the list about the matter because 1) Kazembe has asked me to draw up a list of speakers we might like to see appear 2) I was personally wondering if we could make a donation to the Brecht Forum at some future time, if we find we have the funds for it. That's it! Thanks! Nico
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Drew Hornbein september17; 917-arts-and-culture [september17discuss] Came across this, good place for some direct action Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:07:36 PM
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 New York Philharmonic Opening Night Celebration of the 170th Season 6:00 pm. Cocktail reception, and concert, followed by dinner. Black tie attire. Co-chaired by Daria L. Foster, Kiara Silverstein,Larry Silverstein. Tickets from $1,500.00. Tables from $15,000.00. Lincoln Center-Avery Fisher Hall. New York. Contact: Courtney K. Ford. (212) 875-5757. Event address: 10 Lincoln Center Plaza, New York. Sponsored by Breguet Credit Suisse. Fax: (212) 875-5929. Event web address: nyphil.org/support/openingnight2011_gala.cfm. Tags: Concert Gala Opening Arts Performing Arts. Sponsors and Chairs: BNY Mellon Credit Suisse J. Christopher Flowers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Christopher_Flowers (I have done a lot of research on him, and though he is one of the people who has profited so much from the recent turn of financial system, having this so close to him, ie: on his off time at an event, may bring his sympathies to become an ally of sorts as he and his wife are both completely self made) Daria L. Foster Didi and Oscar Schafer Klara and Larry A. Silverstein: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Silverstein (he is the developer building the "freedom tower" for the benefit of corporate entities) THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 22, 2011 New York City Ballet Fall Gala Performance, cocktails and dinner. Lincoln Center-David H. Koch Theater. New York. (212) 870-5585. Event address: 20 Lincoln Center Plaza, New York. Event web address: nycballet.com. *FYI: the Theater is named after David Koch, head tea partier: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer FALL GALA David H. Koch Theater, Lincoln Center GALA CHAIRMEN Alec Baldwin Jodie and John Eastman Marlene Hess (Hess Oil Heiress: http://nyti.ms/owkzR7 ) and Jim Zirin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_D._Zirin ) Alice and Lorne Michaels VICE CHAIRS
Fiona Druckenmiller, married to the "149th richest person in America" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Druckenmiller Carol Mack Charlotte Moss PAUL MCCARTNEYS OCEANS KINGDOM Choreography by Peter Martins Costumes by Stella McCartney Projections by S. Katy Tucker Scenic Design by Perry Silvey Lighting by Mark Stanley 6:00pm Cocktails 7:30pm Performance 9:00pm Supper Ball Black Tie Gala Tables of 10: $150,000, $100,000, $50,000, $25,000 (limited availability) Gala Tickets: $10,000, $5,000, $2,500, $1,500 (limited availability) Cocktail and Performance Tickets: $750, $350 Please call 212-870-5585 or email specialevents@nycballet.com to purchase tickets.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] campaign to end corporate rule Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:23:39 AM
Campaign to End Corporate Rule conference call

Featuring Rep. John Conyers' legislative director Michael Darner Thursday, September 22 | 8:00 PM ET, 5:00 PM PT Click here for details and to register.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Mary Clinton september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Christopher Thomas Kelleher Friday, September 23, 2011 1:34:23 AM
Does anyone know of the whereabouts of Christopher Thomas Kelleher? His family sent an email to us asking if he's around; they haven't heard from him. I don't know a lot of people here, so if anyone knows him or if he's on this email group and can confirm that he's alive and well, I will let them know! Thanks ya'll. Mary
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Drew Hornbein september17 [september17discuss] credit unions Monday, September 19, 2011 5:21:51 AM
Anyone part of a credit union? How can I protest the banks when in my wallet rests the JP Morgan & Chase corporate logo? This would be a good opportunity for credit unions to recruit members. Solidarity.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Conor Toms Reed september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] CUNY STRIKE study circle relocating to Liberty Plaza this Saturday, 2-4pm! Thursday, September 22, 2011 4:35:20 PM
Hello, lovelies! A newly forming study circle on the histories, politics, and specific strategies/tactics of striking--cleverly named "CUNY STRIKE study circle"--has been meeting for the last couple of months to watch films, read books, and all around get more clearly oriented on how to motivate and plan for strike actions in CUNY and NYC. In solidarity with occupied Liberty Plaza, and in responding to its various general assemblies' calls for political education opportunities, we're moving our next study circle meet-up to Liberty Plaza this Saturday afternoon. Some of us will join the 12pm march around Wall Street, and then when we get back to the Plaza, we'll find a corner and discuss parts of Joe Burns' book Reviving the Strike from 2 to 4pm. Please email me if you'd like to get a free copy of the book via googledocs. I hope some of you will join our discussion this Saturday! hollerin' for radical scholarin', -Conor
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of guindave@aol.com september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Dose any one kow about this counter protest Friday, September 23, 2011 2:18:09 PM
Its supposed to be today at 4pm don't eat any muffins this is enraging but at least it shows people are the threatened scared about how long your guys resolve has been dont' let up ! keep on keeping on. I was there the first couple days and will be back here is a really annoying gawker article but the comments are all pro all you wonderful people http://gawker.com/5843209/snobby-illiteraterati-to-protest-wall-st-hippies-with-champagne-toast Don't let the bastards get you down. Solidarity
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] EDUCATION EVENTS ON ECONOMY Thursday, September 22, 2011 7:17:02 PM
Hello everyone! I would like to organize events for the following days and next week too. From 4 .30 to 7pm we usually do not have marches or GA, so lets pack this time with events! There are a lot of people of the 99% that sympathize with us but have families or jobs. The might not come if we ask them to camp, but they will come if we offer them information. Liberty Plaza must not only inspire, but educate and inform. As this is a protest against Wall st greed and its influence on politics, lets invite people to come and explain basic and important aspects of our current economical situation. These are complex matters and most people dont understand them well (such as myself : ) ). Not neccesarily famous activists or university proffesors. Just somebody that is a good at teaching. Some presentation ideas: 2007/2008 financial crisis How does stock exchange work? What are hedge funds and how do they work? Credit Unions or banking alternatives (I wrote to moveyourmoney.org inviting them, they didnt answer yet) More ideas? I can present these themes in the assembly tomorrow.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Electronics supplies Tuesday, September 20, 2011 9:50:42 PM
1. I was told someone needed spare dell abtteries: 1525 or 1625? 2. Has anyone considered a solar system? Worst case if nobody is willing to build it from scratch, Voltaic systems has a laptop recharge system for sale. It could at least allow maintaining a laptop or two as public terminals. And be cheper in the long run than gaz.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Eminem Saturday, September 24, 2011 3:27:46 PM
If he shows up can someone tell me? My photographer friend is in nyc doing a doc on detroit old school hiphop and we want to talk to him... great march everyone! Grim- 3476829783
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] EVENT - Fri Sept 23, 7pm - A NUCLEAR FREE WORLD FROM FUKUSHIMA TO NEW YORK Thursday, September 22, 2011 7:51:25 AM
until we get an "events" page on our website... i'm sending via listserve.... A NUCLEAR FREE WORLD FROM FUKUSHIMA TO NEW YORK Come hear first hand accounts of the Fukushima nuclear disaster. A delegation of grassroots environmental activists from Japan is coming to speak in New York, to meet with their US counterparts and to share their experiences with the general public. Lets come together and plot a nuclear free and environmentally sound world. Where: The Center for Remembrance and Sharing, 123 4th Ave (bet 12th & 13th Sts) (2nd floor) New York, New York When: Friday, September 23. 7pm The event is co-sponsored by: Now! Abolition 2000 NY Metro American Friends Service Committee Beyond Nuclear Fukushima Network for Saving Children from Radiation Granny Peace Brigade Green Action Nuclear Age Peace Foundation Physicians for Social Responsibility, NY Shut Tomari Womens International League for Peace and Freedom Manhattan Green Party For more info email ShutDownIndianPointNow@gmail.org Shut Down Indian Point
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] EVENT - TODAY - Thurs Sept 22, 12-2pm - A NUCLEAR FREE WORLD FROM FUKUSHIMA TO NEW YORK Thursday, September 22, 2011 7:53:47 AM
a meeting on Thursday, September 22nd from 12:00 to 2:00 PM with a delegation from Japan who will speak of their personal experiences of the tragic events in Fukushima and next steps for action. The meeting will take place at the American Friends Service Committee [in] Quaker Meeting House, 15 Rutherford Place, between 15th and 16th Streets, and between 2nd and 3rd Avenues [L train to 3rd Av.; N, Q, R, 4, 5, 6 to 14 St.-Union Sq.; F, M, PATH to 14 St. (at 6th Av.); M14A or M14D bus via 14th St.; buses via 2nd Av. or 3rd Av.; map: <http://ow.ly/6poTQ > -t.] There will be a brown bag lunch and beverages will be served. I hope you can join us!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Amin Husain september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Facilitation training Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:24:41 AM
Today at noon, meeting by the food then relocating for the workshop on how to facilitate.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Snafu september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:53:30 PM
Hi all, I apologize for being off-list and off-the-streets for a few days, but I was lucky enough to become a father on September 17! I personally believe that the obstination of some members of the NYCGA on not having demands has proved disastrous and resulted in a PR debacle. Invariably, almost all mainstream media accounts of the protests note that the demonstrators have confused ideas and are probably motivated by merely ideological motives. Further, this refusal of having demands has nothing to do with the current movements in the Middle East, Spain and Greece all of which have clear and loud demands. In the case of Arab countries and Middle Eastern autocracies the demand cannot be but one (remove the dictator). In Greece and Spain the situation is more complex but the movements there have been able to develop specific analyses and requests. In particular the Joint Economics Working Group of Syntagma Square and Puerta del Sol have drafted a document (http://bit.ly/npCWkg) that lists a specific set of demands, such as the request of nationalizing the banks, withdrawing the EU/IMF Memorandum imposed on Greece, make the accounting records transparent, and so forth. 1) Reintroduction of the Glass-Steagall Act, a law regulating the bank system that separated investment banks from commercial banks. This law, originally approved in 1933 and signed into law by FDR has been repealed in 1999. As Wikipedia simply states it, "Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 20072011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlassSteagall_Act As I have previously suggested, the three simple demands that the NYCGA should have raised in the call to Occupy Wall Street should have been:
2) Immediate introduction of a Tobin Tax or Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions both at a national and international level. On a national level, it would be sufficient for Congress to pass it. On an international level, the IMF could subordinate loans to countries in debt to the introduction of a Tobin Tax instead of requiring massive privatizations as it ordinarily does through the notorious structural adjustment programs. In Europe, Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy have officialized their support to the introduction of such tax in the EU about three weeks ago. Last June over 1,000 economist submitted a letter by 1,000 economists to the G20 last April that explains why the idea of a global Robin Hood Tax has come of age. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/apr/13/robin-hood-taxeconomists-letter) Robinhoodtax.org, a web site run by a British NGO that explains in very simple terms how it works and how much revenue it could generate. The NGO also has a Facebook page. 3) Raise taxes on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains by pairing the long-term capital gains tax rate (which applies to financial assets held for more than a year) to the ordinary income tax rates. At the moment, thanks to the Tax Reconciliation Act signed by Bush into law in 2006 and extended by the Obama
administration to 2012 and beyond, capital gains cannot be taxed more than 20% whereas income tax is taxed up to 35%. This means that if your wage falls for example in the $35,000-83,000 bracket your income tax is 25% whereas if you make 1, 10, or 100 million dollars on the stock market your pay 20% only. Even Warren Buffett says that this system is openly unjust and that the current taxation system is profoundly unbalanced and skewed towards financial profit. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stopcoddling-the-super-rich.html) These three proposals are far from revolutionary yet they could begin raising specific questions and help bring a variety of subjects into the conversation. The notion that a movement is defined by its demands is ridiculous. A social movement is much more
than a set of demands yet demands help those who are not on your side understand who you are and where you come from. Two other critical points that should be discussed in the GA are the public funding of political campaigns and the two-party system. A paramount political objective should be to get corporations to stop funding political candidates. You cannot have real democracy with the current system of fundraising. A truly democratic system would give each citizen a tax bonus of the SAME AMOUNT and enable each one of us to decide how to allocate such money. A truly democratic society should also not rely on forms of political representation based on a majoritarian (first-past-the-post) electoral system. If we are the 99% of the country, then we ought to be able to convince the rest of the nation that the 99% counts in fact nothing. And corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main targets of a campaign for real democracy. To sum up, the question of the redistribution of wealth and democratic control over the financial system cannot be disconnected from the question of political representation. Organizing a movement that fights "against representative politics" does not mean in my opinion to fight against *any* form of representation, but certainly against the current system of representation. We are over 6 billions on this planet. Thinking that each individual should have the right to decide on every issue in every part of the world at all times may sound fascinating but it is simply unrealistic and unrealizable. Whether we like it or not, we constantly delegate to others the understanding of issues and execution of tasks we simply do not have the time to understand and care about. (The worldwide professionalization of national armies and the advanced specialization of knowledge in scientific and academic research are just two notable cases in point). Thus the question is not how to abolish authority and representation per se but how to produce forms of representation that are truly representative, renewable and non-ossified. The NYCGA could be such a body, once we live behind the rather childish notion that demands define us and by defining us trap us in some blind alley from which we'll be unable to move forward. Cheers, Snafu
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Micah White september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] flyer design attached Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:26:17 PM 4-UP_Pamphlet.pdf
outreach handbill flyer design attached. Micah
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Alexa D. O"Brien september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] FLYER FUND and SUPPLY CROWD SOURCE Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:43:08 PM
Paging Publius. #occupywallstreet has FLYER FUND. DONATE http://bit.ly/oo538N #usdor
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Winter Siroco september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Flyer Thursday, September 22, 2011 7:59:56 AM
Hi everybody. Whoever has the digital version of the flyers, please post it to the mail group so that it can be posted online and also distributed to those who can not pick printed copies and to other supporting organizations that can print some more. Cesar
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Food COmmittee and Volunteers Sunday, September 18, 2011 8:20:43 PM
People want to know if you guys need more volunteers on the field, I have a guy in IM who seems to be trying to get hold of his comrades around NYC for this.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] For Labor Committee - IWW Friday, September 23, 2011 2:54:10 PM
Relax. Having more activity in the square is fine. When it's possible we should coordinate, but people are empowered to host meetings, teach ins, and stuff. The ga and working groups are there to assist, not block or slow down On Friday, September 23, 2011, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > No- we won't be there; we're moving to avoid rain and include labor contacts, IWW hasn't been to a Labor Working Group meeting yet (hasnt even contacted us, though I left messages for them on September 17 list serve, and can't change its location; the info on change has already gone out to our members and contacts. You have definitely overstepped you bounds; if you have a suggestion, you ask first; you are just creating confusion that will split the attendees. FIX IT. > > > > -----Original Message----> From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lauren > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 1:14 PM > To: september17 > Subject: [september17discuss] For Labor Committee - IWW > > > > The IWW is apparently enthusiastic and one of the wobblies I'm in > > contact with decided to suggest they hold their GMB in the area of the > > occupation, maybe even at liberty plaza. I must apologize if it's felt > > that I overstepped my bounds, as we basically ran with it. > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] For Labor Committee - IWW Friday, September 23, 2011 1:13:38 PM
The IWW is apparently enthusiastic and one of the wobblies I'm in contact with decided to suggest they hold their GMB in the area of the occupation, maybe even at liberty plaza. I must apologize if it's felt that I overstepped my bounds, as we basically ran with it.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of NicolasMoselleAllen september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] FOR THE MEDIA TEAM: USW SUPPORTS OCCUPY WALL STREET Friday, September 23, 2011 11:09:57 PM
The following email was sent out to the United Steel Workers members and associate members list. We have permission to publish it. I'm getting in touch with their locals to do solidarity work. Thanks, Nico > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Associate Member <uswa-hq@usw.org> Date: September 22, 2011 7:03:42 AM PDT To: "HQ - Associate Member List" <associatemember@listserv.steelworkers.org> Subject: The Wall St. Protest You Need to Know About Reply-To: sdomike@usw.org Subject line: The Wall St. Protest You Need to Know About Text: Since Saturday, a group of young people have led an occupation of Wall Street in New York City, protesting in hopes of drawing attention to the real reason our economy is broken: corporate greed and an unfair system where the rich get away without paying their fair share. The mainstream, corporate-controlled media isn't covering this youth-led revolution but thanks to the high-tech world we live in, we don't need them to. Stay updated here: www.occupywallst.org and check out this video and others like it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-v5CPo5tis&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17 [september17discuss] For the people arrested for chalking Monday, September 19, 2011 1:22:16 PM Grafiti Laws-NYC.docx
Here is a memo that an attorney friend of mine drafted up for the legal team if it can be forwarded, good news, i hope. ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Katherine Bromberg <kbromberg@gmail.com> Date: Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:17 PM Subject: chalking To: grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> Note, from what I have read, cops drop chalking charges
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Forums, Presentations and Events at Liberty Plaza Wednesday, September 21, 2011 5:43:21 PM
What events do we have planned for this week and next? I know that there might be an Economics Forum, a lecture on Medicaid, and perhaps some guest lecturers from Cuny. Could they please be listed here in order to fill out the calendar? Please keep on inviting lecturers for presentations, workshops, ect! We need Liberty Plaza to be a place for debate and discussion and have people from everywhere coming here to be enlightend! Lets continue occupying the hearts and minds of people everywhere : ) Lauren
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lisa Fithian september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] FW: Revolutionaries Live! kicks off THIS THURSDAY in NYC Monday, September 19, 2011 11:40:14 AM
Maybe you can get Ivan to come to Liberty Square he is very good!
From: The Yes Lab [mailto:mailing@yeslab.org] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:07 AM To: fithianl@igc.org Subject: Revolutionaries Live! kicks off THIS THURSDAY in NYC
Dear New Yorker - or at least that's what it says on your profile: The revolution will be debated. Starting this Thursday, come meet the revolutionaries who have changed or are currently changing the world. Revolutionaries Live! kicks off at the Hemispheric Institute, 20 Cooper Square 5th floor, New York, with the great Ivan Marovic, one of the founders of Otpor, the student resistance movement that played a critical role in the downfall of Slobodan Milosevic in 2000. After Milosevic's fall, Marovic began consulting with various pro democracy groups worldwide and became one of the leading trainers in the field of civil resistance. Ivan will speak about the role of humor and creative activism in the struggles he's helped to guide. See you Thursday! And visit www.yeslab.org/cat for the full list of this fall's events. The Yes Lab
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of flux@fluxview.com september17 [september17discuss] Fwd: [Press Inquiries] media coverage Friday, September 23, 2011 5:48:13 AM
this lovely idea just came in from one of our live viewers
----- Forwarded message from darkalchemist000@gmail.com ----Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 03:54:41 -0400 From: darkalchemist000@gmail.com Subject: [Press Inquiries] media coverage To: staff@mobilebroadcastnews.com chris sent a message using the contact form at http://mobilebroadcastnews.com/NewsRoom/contact. i was wanting to say that what you are doing is amazing and i am grateful for what you are doing. i was wondering what the possibility would be of you spreading the message to the protesters of going to the sets of the today show and good morning america, if you arrive at roughly 5 am to the respective studios then you can have their entire live crowd filled with protesters and that would spread the message to the entire audience and continue to go everyday that the protest is going, this could cause a massive ripple in the pond of injustice, thank you for readin and god bless ----- End forwarded message -----
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Nathan Schneider september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Fwd: Interview Request, KPFK Pacifca radio Monday, September 19, 2011 2:47:32 PM
I just got an interview request from KPFK, Pacifica. Very friendly. She's looking for Marisa in particular, though if she's not available, another would do. Could someone please pass this along to Marisa? I'm doing A TON of radio interviews in the next few days. This is blowing up like crazy! Nathan Nathan Schneider Editor, Waging Nonviolence http://wagingnonviolence.org Begin forwarded message:
Hi Nathan, Here's the interview request info. Thanks for spreading it around - or give it to anyone who pops to mind as a good interview while you're back on WS. Thanks! I'm with the 8am show on KPFK Pacifica radio Los Angeles. We would love to interview someone whose on the ground at Occupy Wall Street tomorrow 11am Eastern for about 15 minutes, who can talk about what's happening, and the goals, the organizing behind it. The guest will be on-air with Micha and the host, Sonali Kolhatkar. I would need a phone number for the guest, and someone who feel comfortable on live radio. Please respond as soon as possible, Thank you! Martina Martina Steiner Assistant Producer KPFK Pacifica Radio 818-985-2711 x. 215 www.uprisingradio.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Fwd: On the execution of Troy Davis (People"s Video) Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:57:32 AM
On the execution of Troy Davis:
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow september17 [september17discuss] Fwd: outreach flyers Wednesday, September 21, 2011 1:32:31 PM OccupyWallStflyer-bw.jpg OccupyWallStflyer-color.jpg
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com; si-4rbs@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Fwd: Re: Realnews Video Thursday, September 22, 2011 6:54:12 PM
Have you guys seen this? From: Rich Florentino Date: Sep 22, 2011 11:16:17 AM Subject: Re: Video To: "jemcgloin@verizon.net" <jemcgloin@verizon.net> Cc: Alex Klaver <alex.klaver.wfp@gmail.com>
-----Original Message----From: Alex Klaver Sent: Sep 22, 2011 3:10 AM To: Rich Florentino Subject: Hey Rich, Send this video along to John McGloin, he's got a nice little interview about 4 minutes in. http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php? option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=7338&updaterx=2011-0920+12%3A45%3A54 -Alex
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Nathan Schneider september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Fwd: Revolutionaries Live! kicks off THIS THURSDAY in NYC Monday, September 19, 2011 12:39:08 PM
Dear Fellow Wall Street Occupiers, Consider taking a break and coming from this talk with Ivan Marovic, one of the strategic minds behind the revolution that displaced Milosevic in Belgrade. He was also involved in advising Egyptian revolutionaries. He's a blast. It's hosted by the Yes Men:
The revolution will be debated. Starting this Thursday, come meet the revolutionaries who have changed or are currently changing the world. Revolutionaries Live! kicks off at the Hemispheric Institute, 20 Cooper Square 5th floor, New York, with the great Ivan Marovic, one of the founders of Otpor, the student resistance movement that played a critical role in the downfall of Slobodan Milosevic in 2000. After Milosevic's fall, Marovic began consulting with various pro democracy groups worldwide and became one of the leading trainers in the field of civil resistance. Ivan will speak about the role of humor and creative activism in the struggles he's helped to guide. See you Thursday! And visit www.yeslab.org/cat for the full list of this fall's events. The Yes Lab
Nathan Nathan Schneider Editor, Waging Nonviolence http://wagingnonviolence.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Nathan Schneider september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Fwd: Room/time change for Thursday - and #occupywallstreet!! Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:32:40 PM
Ivan Marovic, a leading strategist in the revolution to overthrow Milosevic in Serbia, is coming to Liberty Plaza on Thursday! After suggesting the idea to them, I just got this from the Yes Men: But now, SOME VERY GOOD NEWS: after Ivan's talk this Thursday, we'll take the N,R train a few stops down to Liberty Plaza and occupy Wall Street! There, around 8:30 or 9pm, Ivan will continue his talk for our very own here-andnow revolutionaries, doing some of the same things Ivan and his thousands of friends have done to topple dictators from Milosevic to Mubarak! Nathan
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Micah White september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] general donation link Sunday, September 18, 2011 8:18:52 PM
is there an official "cash" donation link? So that people can send money for use in anything that the GA decides? Thanks, Micah
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of guindave@aol.com september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Heart Of Glass and Taft Hartly Saturday, September 24, 2011 2:18:54 PM
Thank you for the post on Glass Stegal is it ? Also I would add to that repealing the Taft Hartley Act. The Taft Hartley is Act what turned Unions into more lobbying organization then organizations trying to organize the un organized. I don't have a link but I could find one Here is a List of 3 possible demands just one activists opinion 1. End corporate person hood 2. Repeal Taft Hartley Act, and Glass Stegal Act 3. Make a Stock transfer Tax , (robin Hood Tax)
How is that ? (also there is this other act passed in the 80s that makes it easier for employers to get "illegal" Aliens deported does any one know that name ?)
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Amye R september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Heart of Glass(-Steagall) Saturday, September 24, 2011 2:30:32 AM
In my personal opinion we should be focused on more universal demands, such as universal access to healthcare, food, shelter, a healthy environment, etc., and changing the entire system rather than working from the pre-existing structure. However, since it the 1933 Glass-Seagall act has been discussed, I thought people might be interested in knowing what it is. here is a link to it incase anyone is curious. I am posting this for informational purposes only and not to condemn or support the act itself. http://www.archive.org/stream/FullTextTheGlasssteagallActA.k.a.TheBankingActOf1933/1933_01248#page/n0/mode/2up Peace, Amye
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Harrison Schultz september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] HIGH PRIORITY MESSAGE FOR CHRIS ON FOOD!!! Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:37:43 AM
Report from Bill "Rad/Left" Csapo: Beautiful news from Vermont - Expect and prepare for reinforcements from Vermont. They are bringing in musicians in and they want to keep them constantly playing. We've had an offer from Tom Pvasilis he owns commercial type bakeries in NYC he has a 25,000 square foot kitchen, an anarchist collective of 250 volunteers, an air refrigerated truck to keep food, hot/cold, and allegedly a lot of cash he wants to donate to keeping the protesters at Liberty square fed. Tom McCoy, presumably of Vermont say's we're inspiring people all over the country to take action. We'll someone please relay this message to Chris on the food Committee and have him contact Bill "Rad/Left" Csapo ASAP!!! 423 650 1398 bill@occupywallst.org wcsapo@gmail.com I say we kick this up a notch comrades!!! Love and Rage, Harrison
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J.A. Myerson september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] I forgot to mention... Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:42:26 PM
... that Waleed Rashed from April 6th (Egyptian student revolutionaries) will be in the states in October with stops planned in Boston and DC, but nothing in NY yet. He might command a speaker's fee at this point (didn't when Marisa, Justin and I hosted him this spring), but it's probably worth looking into whether he'll stop by Liberty Plaza. He agreed to endorse us, in any case. -J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Micah White september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] idea from Lupe Fiasco Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:30:32 PM
Hey everyone, Lupe Fiasco has an idea and is looking for a volunteer. He wants to pay for a table at the occupation that "says 'NYPD officers only' that has donuts/ pastries and hot coffee and cups...and we have to keep it stocked and open strictly for the police...lemme know a contact person on the ground that can set this up and maintain it I'll get the money over to them to make it happen...we gotta have the cops sympathetic to the cause...it will thin the atmosphere and decrease tension..." If you like this idea, please email me asap and I'll connect you with Lupe. Thanks, Micah
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Marina Sitrin september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Important Legal Information (from the legal team) Friday, September 23, 2011 2:11:21 PM
The legal working group has a few things to share. Most important - as always - take care of one another and have at least a buddy if not an affinity group. The police have been brutal and have been unlawfully arresting people. We definitely want to do things about this. As a group. And individually. We have some words of caution on how to proceed with civil rights violation complaints - ESPECIALLY before a criminal trial has taken place. Things you say before a criminal trial CAN be used in that trial. That includes interviews and statements with the Civilian Complaint Review Board. This is not to say do not file a complaint - but any interview or video done BEFORE your criminal proceedings have been completed could be used against you. There is time to file after your trial. Similarly for Civil Lawsuits. You must be finished your criminal trial first. If you do not have a criminal trial, and you begin a civil suit, it is not only your lawyer that deposes (takes your statement and interviews you) but also the City (which means they can ask you all sorts of things related to your case, like what you were doing, with whom, when, etc etc.) As a part of the case you must answer questions deemed 'relevant'. As the legal team we are NOT telling anyone what to do - but we feel very strongly that people know the ramifications and possible outcomes of certain things. This is not easy to explain in an email, so people should please call the National Lawyers Guild with more questions, and/or if you are represented by a lawyer that is not in the NLG, get clarification from them on what you can be asked and when. We - the legal team - believe that we should make decisions based on our politics and principles - and then see if the law can work in accordance with them. In Solidarity, The Liberty Plaza Legal Team (We have been the ones standing in front of the GA for the past few nights making the legal team announcements.)
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J.A. Myerson september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Independent Solidarity Committee established Wednesday, September 21, 2011 5:35:50 PM
Here's the website: http://solidaritycommittee.wordpress.com/ Here's the Twitter handle: http://twitter.com/#!/scene_tweets Goal is to recruit endorsements and statements of solidarity from individuals and organizations. Nationwide petition of solidarity coming tomorrow. Hoping to interface with the outreach operation here, while maintaining independence from the GA. Cheers, -J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lisa Fithian september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Industry events Monday, September 19, 2011 11:43:47 AM
Here are a bunch of industry conferences that I put together a few weeks ago for the follow-up actions to May 12. 10 cities will be doing actions from Spet 20 end of October. New York will have another week of actions focused on banks Oct 10-15 similar coalition to May 12th . New York
9/8-9 Marketing and Client Servicing for Hedge Funds, Financial Research Associates The Princeton Club, New York, Link: www.frallc.com 9/13 5th Annual Hedge Fund General Counsel Summit, ALM Media, The Harvard Club, New York, Link: www.cvent.com 9/07 Project Finance NY 2011 New York New York 9/12 Forex Trading for Retail Traders Summit New York NY 9/14 Cyber Defense Summit 2011 , Microsoft NY/NJ Briefing Center, NY, NY, US 9/15 Gamification Summit New York NY 9/15 Asset Raising and Ucits for US Managers, Infovest21, Waldorf Astoria, New York, www.infovest21.com 9/19 Investor Event: Cap Intro: Credit / Fixed Income Alternative Investing, Catalyst Financial Partners Omni Berkshire Place, New York, Link: www.catalystforum.com 9/19 Morning Investor Seminar: Role of Hedge Funds in Large and Small Endowments/Foundations Infovest21, Princeton Club, New York, www.infovest21.com 9/20 The Finadium 2011 Conference, New York, United States, Link: www.finadium.com 9/20 Hedge Funds Event :: Capital Introduction After Dodd-Frank , Harvard Club of New York City, New York, NY, US 9/21 Social Media in Financial Services: Opportunities, Compliance and Technology Bayards, New York, 9/22 Year Up Fall Fete, Hudson Terrace, New York, NY, US 9/23 Vault Diversity Recruiting Expo (Financial Services) Eventi, A Kimpton Hotel, New York, NY, US 9/28-29 Private Equity Analyst Conference, Dow Jones, : Waldorf-Astoria, New York Link: www.peaconference.dowjones.com 10/04 Hedge Funds World LatAm 2011 New York 10/05 Small Business Expo - New York City New York City New York 10/5 2nd Annual Business Process Management and Technology Innovation Forum and Expo , The Yale Club of New York City, New York, NY, US 10/6 25 Most Powerful Women in Banking, New York, NY 10/07 China Leaders Forum 2011 New York City 10/ 11 Fourth Annual Retirement 360, Metropolitan Club of New York, New York, NY 10/11 Business Information Architecture Summit 2011, Pier Sixty, New York, NY 10/12 ETF 360 Summit, The Metropolitan Club, New York, NY 10/13 FT View from the Top: The Future of America New York New York 10/17 Financial Innovation Technology Forum New York New York 10/17 TradeTech Architecture 2011 New York New York 10/23-25 LIMRA Annual Meeting , Hilton New York, New York, NY, US
10/24 Global Academy of Business and Economic Research New York New York GABER International meetings provide an uniqueopportunity for academics, practitioners, andpolicy makers to exchange ideas in the fields ofbusiness, economics and management. 10/16 18 The Bond Buyer's 2nd Annual 501(c)3 Super Conference: Healthcare, Higher Education & Non-Profit Institutions, New York Marriott Marquis, New Y 11/07 Climate Insights: Financial Opportunities New York New York 11/08 4th Annual Risk Management in Energy Trading Conference , http://www.marcusevansch.com/RMET_Event 11/8-9 Asset and Liability Management For Banks , Exploring Innovative Metrics to Review Assets and Liabilities while Mitigating Interest Rate Risk , New York City, NY 11/30 AEROSPACE & DEFENSE FINANCE CONFERENCE New York NY 12/5Cards and Payments Loyalty Conference, Roosevelt Hotel, New York, NY 12/6 9th Annual Financial Services Marketing Symposium, Roosevelt Hotel, New York, NY 12/8 The Bond Buyer's 10th Annual Deal of the Year Awards, Essex House, New York, NY
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of grimwomyn Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:05 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] Outreach
What does the group think about going to this conference for outreach and publicity to call people downtown? http://mashable.com/sgs/ possible action there since there are so many corporate sponsors?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lisa Fithian september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Industry player sites Monday, September 19, 2011 12:13:11 PM M12-WS Maps.docx M12-MidTown Map.docx
Again Attached are some maps of industry players in Wall St and Mid-Town If you need other sites to visit. (Goldman is no longer at 85 Broad) The Partnership for New York City is an industry association of all the wealthy players in NY - just off of Broadway not far from Staten Island Ferry is a great place too! http://www.pfnyc.org/partners-list.html The Downtown Association rich peoples club just down the street from JP Chase Plaza http://www.thedta.com/Default.aspx?p=DynamicModule&PageId=255381&ssid=115062&vnf=1 Great Lobbies in WS area Duetche Bank on Wall Street multiple entrances including subway Winter Garden in the World Financial Center on the west side JP Morgan Chase Plaza subway accessible Partnership Building ATT&T on Water Street One Financial Plaza Wells Fargo & Morgan Stanley
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] inviting the homeless? Wednesday, September 21, 2011 2:41:11 AM
I strongly disagree. We could invite a few individual homeless who we get to know and trust or those that we know like members of the Picture the Homeless organization who were around Bloombergville and would probably agree with our orientation. It would be better for us to support the struggles and activities of such a homeless organization, as some of us from Bloombergville did. But an open invitation to the homeless not only could bring in problems bigger than we could handle, such as unstable individuals, but is the easiest way to sneak in police provocateurs to start trouble and create an excuse for breaking up the camp. In Madison, Wisconsin when teachers and other trade unionists were occupying the state capitol building for weeks, a call came to the right wing Gov. Walker, allegedly from his billionaire backer, oil tycoon David Koch, but in fact from an impersonating union supporter who taped the call. The Koch impersonator suggested they bring in some troublemakers to break up the occupation and Walker found it completely understandable that Koch would say so, and the governor admitted on tape that they had been considering doing so.
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Yoni Golijov Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 9:00 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] $6000?
Also people who are homeless could be invited to sleep at Liberty park, not to use them but to invite them as equals and people who the system has utterly failed, housing is a human right, and Hoovervilles were because people actually were
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Alexandre Machado De Sant"Anna Carvalho september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Labor group: congratulations!! Friday, September 23, 2011 12:16:06 PM
Dear All: Everything that is happening is a dream coming true. I would like to congratulate the brave disruptors of the auction with their ingenuity and creativity. Disruption, Subversion, Insurrection, Revolution! KEEP IT UP! Al -Alexandre M.S. Carvalho, M.D., MPH 2009 Reynolds Fellow mobile +1 914 563 4209 home +1 914 633 0415 www.nyu.edu/reynolds
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Labor outreach Wednesday, September 21, 2011 4:06:51 AM
Apparently there was an announcement at the end of the GA by someone making union contacts and meeting with the IWW. I think that's great (whoever you are; I wasn't there at the time.) But you should know that a labor committee formed Tues night which has also planned actions related to local labor struggles and is planning on bringing labor speakers to talk about their struggles. I may, in fact, be involved in such labor outreach Thurs at 12:30PM and may not be able to attend the IWW program. But I would like to get in touch with the person organizing the event. If such person reads this or if anyone can let me know who they are or can contact that person and have them get in touch with me, please do. In the future we should probably coordinate our efforts, so they don't conflict. Jackie DiSalvo jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion@googlegroups.com; september17@googlegroups.com; no-budget-cuts-nyannouncements@googlegroups.com nstamp@votewfp.org [september17discuss] Labor Outreach/Support Monday, September 19, 2011 10:13:54 PM
A labor oriented group is forming at Occupy Wall Street. We have contacted some unions in struggle. We are intending to join the picket line of the locked out workers at Sothebys (72nd St and York Ave.) at a time still being set by Teamsters Local 814 who have asked us to come on Thursday. There will be a flyer to invite people to join us. We are also planning to go to the picket of the Hotel Trades Local 6 which is fighting for a union and a contract at the Boathouse in Central Park at 72nd St. Workers there said they need us most on the weekend. We will try to make further plans at a meeting at the Occupy Wall Street encampment in Liberty Park (Liberty St & Broadway) at 7:40 PM Tuesday so long as it doesnt conflict with a General Assembly. We will check that out and make an adjustment if necessary. Come to the meeting, bring others and get others to join us on the picket lines. If you are interested in joining the committee, show up or email me at jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com. Jackie DiSalvo
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion@googlegroups.com; september17@googlegroups.com; no-budget-cuts-nyannouncements@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Labor support at occupy wall street Tuesday, September 20, 2011 9:20:27 AM
Does anyone know of a convenient place we can meet at 7:40 tonight, Tues night, if there is rain?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Presto september17@googlegroups.com kristinlschall@gmail.com [september17discuss] Lil" Occupiers Wednesday, September 21, 2011 9:32:32 PM
Hey everyone, In an effort to make the General Assembly more accessible, some of us have been talking about coordinating a childcare center. I don't expect that to fully materialize for another few days, but in the meantime, I want to reach out to folks again to see if there's is any interest in contributing to this endeavor. Or, if you're a parent, let me know if this would be of use to you. You can trust me; I'm a graduate student for elementary education and am a third grade teacher. The other person who has expressed interest, Kristin, also has a background in education and is currently a substitute teacher. While we're waiting for more folks to join in, I'm going to try to obtain and bring all sort of relevant supplies to Liberty Plaza--picture books, watercolors, boardgames, etc. Any other suggestions? Anyone doing outreach, please mention that such a project is in the works. I think it will encourage a lot more parents to come and get involved! Matt
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J Wedes september17 [september17discuss] lunch today Monday, September 19, 2011 11:25:45 AM
Hey y'all, Telly over at liberato's pizza informed me we only have about 8-10 pizzas coming for lunch, so I re-blasted our crowd-source call. OccupyWallStNYC: ANNOUNCEMENT - @liberatospizza is taking your lunch orders 4 us! (212) 344-3464 or http://t.co/YWit6Qvx #needsoftheoccupiers #sep17 PLEASE RETWEET, REPOST, etc etc... we have a lot of people 2 feed! Also, can we be ready 2 make arrangements 4 gluten free for lunch? someone please advise. -justin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] MARVELOUS NEWS COMRADES! Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:35:14 PM
We might have just gotten a massive kitchen: So we need to contact Tom Vasilis, he owns bakeries in the city and is willing to lend us a 2500 square feet of kitchen. Phone number is 718-644-1942
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Amye R september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Mass Arrests near Union Square Saturday, September 24, 2011 3:40:59 PM
Just got off the phone with someone at Union Square. Mass arrests at union square. People were kettled into the street and then arrested. Police brutality and injuries were involved. As of now police are still bringing in reinforcements.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Alexandre Machado De Sant"Anna Carvalho september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Mass Text Service (Information is Power) Friday, September 23, 2011 1:26:46 PM
Peeps: Aas Foucault once wrote, "Information is Power"; if our movement allows information to cluster and remain stagnant in the hands of few inside our camp (such as the media group or the facilitators working group) without flowing to others we run the risk of marginalizing and creating a power hierarchy that will soon start showing its detrimental effects. We are doing a great job in making the information flow outwards to the world, and i believe we can do a better job at making that flow happen on the ground, at our camp! To that end, we could use a mass SMS online service where people register their phone #'s into a website platform and the media team can fire a torpedo with information to everyone on the ground. Furthermore, this can be used to coordinate operations, marches, warn of police presence, and other important information. This is the service: https://www.textmarks.com/ Much love and candy, Al -Alexandre M.S. Carvalho, M.D., MPH 2009 Reynolds Fellow mobile +1 914 563 4209 home +1 914 633 0415 www.nyu.edu/reynolds
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Glenn Daniels Jr september17 [september17discuss] Media Center Tuesday, September 20, 2011 9:33:10 PM
Hey guys. I was contacted by @danfitzsimmons who suggested setting up a center for media at one of the local businesses near Zuccotti. I think this is a brilliant idea. I'm not in New York now but my friend and I plan to make it back up this weekend to continue filming the occupation. Although I was able to post up a video using WiFi, it took several attempts after the internet connection failed again and again, so it is important that the media group has a stable location that can also be something of a safe haven from the NYPD. I would appreciate it if during the next General Assembly if someone could propose this idea or present it to the Media Working Group. Additionally, I gave an announcement during the GA on Sunday about swapping emails and contact info so all those involved in making media could stay in touch. Unfortunately I had to leave before I could follow through with this. What is the status of the Media Working Group and can anyone give me the contact info of the person(s) spearheading these issues? I also talked to several people about creating a possible YouTube channel where everyone's videos can be posted. "NYCRevolutionMedia" was one named that everyone liked. Or perhaps, creating one Tumblr account that can reblog all OccupyWallSt-related media so it can be present on one site. Have there been steps to create something like this?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Media possibility - Free Talk Live Tuesday, September 20, 2011 5:54:58 PM
Someone PMed me this in the IRC channel today Free Talk Live is a national radio show that ANYONE can call into and they will have a conversation with you on air. http://www.freetalklive.com he have talked briefly about Op wall street before, but it would be great if someone called in during the show from the protest to discuss the key concerns of the protest there is a toll free number and the show is 7pm-10pm seven days a week it would be great exposure if the person calling is a good communicator but not they want a conversation, not a rant i just listen to the show and am no affiliated with it in any way just giving you a suggestion Also, my notes after checking: Free Talk Live self describes as a talk radio show that's open to anyone and above the conservative/liberal divide. These sorts of things always leave me wary for reasons I mentioned last month, but if anyone is fine with it it might still be worth a mention.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Alexa D. O"Brien september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] My Public Response to Nathan Schneider Saturday, September 24, 2011 1:34:48 AM
Dear Mr. Schneider, Please correct the downright falsehood and inaccuracies in your article. http://www.truthout.com/occupywallstreet-more-hashtag-its-revolutionformation/1316784846#comment-318797623 US Day of Rage 'endorsed' the call to action to #occupywallstreet in early July. I don't remember seeing you at those early GA meetings Mr. Schneider. Probably because you weren't there. We even live tweeted GA meetings and wrote about them on our web site early on explaining who was who. Ask the Internet. Secondly, we physically organized all the the non violent civil disobedience trainings in REALITY that occurred in the run up to Sept 17. Every single one. We even recorded CD digital non violent training talks early on (http://www.usdayofrage.org/resources.html) because we knew outreach was hitting critical mass on the Internet with the game generation. Those videos were with Jason and Sam. Ask them. Or just watch the videos that have been since the beginning of August. Here is one: http://www.youtube.com/embed/ft3mXm76jEA A quick visit to the Internet would corroborate all of those facts. Were you aware that many so called core GA organizers and other "group" supporters feel alienated by the NYC GA process? Where were you or your unnamed mysterious "main" organizer to ask those people for their perspective for this article? All our Non Violent CD trainings were open to the public, despite the fact that some GA facilitators tried to copt them for their own group purposes. US Day of Rage also established contact with the National Lawyers Guild and organized legal observers for Sept 17. In fact, Susan Howard of the NYC NLG urged me to contact the GA and implore them to contact her in my conversations with her, which I did. I also gave her the email and name of the one GA member who called the NLG and introduced himself as "not the GA but an independent artist" who was curious about the legality of Sept 17. One week prior the GA barely had consensus or a legal working group. We supported Sept 17 and mitigated potential risks that those realities presented by designing tactics and a crowd source map as a back up contingency for the lack of organization on the GA's part.
We did this because we knew that many people were coming because they learned about the action on the Internet. If people are looking for US Day of Rage, its only proof that we actually performed outreach because we were actually organizing the effort for Sept 17 and we did it in a manner that created solidarity for the action and all the groups involved - whereas the NYC GA could even get a website up until 3 days before Sept17 and infighting. We considered the welfare of ppl's coming our moral responsibility. In fact, the GA couldn't even reach consensus on the action's "non violence" in the run up to Sept 17 (something I would think you cared about considering your blog title, "Waging Non Violence".) US Day of Rage also organized 5 other protests on Sept 17 in solidarity with #occupywallstreet in Austin, Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, and Portland...and are currently organizing a Portland occupation in solidarity with #occupywallstreet and #occupyDC (please see our Joint Solidarity Statement with the Oct2011 movement from several months ago) called #occupyPortland to be announced this weekend. We performed outreach on major news channels in the run up to Sept 17 ALWAYS mentioning the various groups involved in the action and ALWAYS stressing the 'supposed' independence of the GA. Check the Internet and the google group for sept17. We have great respect for the individuals GA members who actually worked. We love them. I smile when I see them. But many did so independent of the process created by the GA. That is not the case with the Tactics Committee. I won't speak for them. Although I have heard some of them say as much casually. In fact, members of the Arts & Culture committee that "independently" staged a test run of #occupywallstreet. I wasn't at the test run, because I work a full time job, but I was at the Police Station to greet the one protester who was kept all night. This does not mention the organization for online outreach. That is one that we will let you figure out for yourself. Articles like yours putting down the hard work of myself others or presenting yourself or putting forth the NYC GA as the only thing that is legitimate or actually exists as an organization, organizer, or body of people around Sept 17 is flat out false and disrespectful. We don't conduct ourselves in like manner to you because we actually support the idea of independent bodies of people assembling on Sept 17 and thereafter. The question remains, if that is actually what the NYC GA was from the start or is now. A question we publicly questioned in meetings, on our site and have tried to protected from the beginning. Just ask ppl about my one block. Then ask me for a comment on why I block what I blocked. On Sept 17 US Day of Rage had people on police scanners monitoring police movements and were on the ground verifying reports and rumors, including several ridiculous ones from @occupywallstreet saying "Riot
Police were coming" and "Cell Phone Service was being cut at Bowling Green" or from various GA members who are probably provocateurs saying things people were being kettled. Further I have been on or around the plaza almost everyday since the occupation, except when I crashed with a 101 fever on Wednedsday. See that visqueen keeping people dry, US Day of Rage donated that. See those ponchos, we donated those. We have handled out socks, sleeping bags, and clean socks and T-shirts. On a personal note. I have given my home, cell phones, and a place to crash to people here for the action to support US Day of Rage or who were GA members or just PEOPLE who don't care about the idea, "One citizen. One dollar. One vote." but who support the First amendment. I am not sure if you actually research, fact check, or provide context but US Day of Rage did not endorse the GA's original occupation tactics on commercial property, because we felt it put people who did not have affinity groups and who were inspired by digital outreach at risk and also perverted the idea of independent assemblies of people, who one would think would vote on their own process. In fact, you would think that a sign of independence of an assembly is the group's ability to actually vote on the process they use. We were nevertheless sympathetic to not disrupting actions in the heat of a tense situation that day by creating a pissing match in terms of tactics. Have you spoken to people not participating in GA meetings but on the ground at Zuccotti or actually organizing the occupations sustainability about how they feel about the GA process? Or do you just slander people and other participating organizations with out conscience? I have been using every waking spare moment to make this action happen since we originally endorsed the call to action. Who cares? I don't. But I will not allow you to put down my work or the work of others in such a disrespectful and frankly irresponsible manner. Some of our supporters brought carpools and showed up on Sept 17, or are there now. What were you and your unnamed 'main organizer' doing? Certainly not smoking cigarettes, drinking coffee, or organizing Sept 17, which is about the extent of every available waking moment of my life and other US Day of RAge organizers and supporters since early July. Please learn to respect your craft and actually research your articles or seek comments from those for whose work you slander publicly. Something I failed to mention is the immensity of the role of social media and tech in spurring and growing the actions of Sept. 17 or that will help sustain it. That is a discussion you an I could have if you actually showed the capacity to talk to me face to face and start a conversation. Best Regards,
Alexa O'Brien
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of NicolasMoselleAllen september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Need a place to stay? Monday, September 19, 2011 5:21:21 PM
hi all I wanted to extend the invitation of a shower and a place to sleep for members of the list. I'm on 125th and Riverside Dr., near the Columbia campus. I can probably host only one person, but please feel free to contact me anytime throughout this week ( and hopefully through the following) if you find you need to take a break! Nico (646) 626-9592
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Isham dhornbein@gmail.com; september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Need flyers ASAP! Tuesday, September 20, 2011 9:38:18 AM
We have some huge outreach potentials. We have been asked to speak at the Palestine Rally near the UN today, and we need flyers. Can someone get a flyer up As Soon as Possible? Be sure to include the websites. Would like to have the flyer done and printed by 1pm today. If anyone has ability to print that would be helpful too. ********First Flyer*************** General Schedule for Occupy Wall Street at Zuccotti park (Near the Intersection of Broadway and Liberty Street) 8-9am: Morning Circle 9-10am: March to Wall Street for the ringing of the opening bell 10-1pm: Break/Lunch 1-3:30pm: General Assembly 3:30-4:30: Second March to Wall Street for the ringing of the closing bell 4:30-7pm: Open space for Music, Teach-ins, Games, and Committee Break-out Discussion 7-9pm: General Assembly **********Second Flyer*************** Occupy Wall Street People Over Profit March! Meet at Zuccotti Park (Broadway and Liberty St.) 5pm Thurs., Sept. 22nd
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] news roundup Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:44:58 PM
Occupy Wall Street : Protesters Violently Arrested in New York

Suite101.com - Jo Harrington - 20 minutes ago They had been there for four days, as part of the Occupy Wall Street protest. What began as a request from police, to remove tents and tarpaulin, ... Video: Police arrests this morning 20th sep 2011 (2) OCCUPY WALL STREET YouTube Local: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise (VIDEO) Huffington Post In-Depth: Wall Street protest continues for third day Washington Post myfoxny.com - Examiner.com all 3 news articles
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Occupy Wall Street America's own Arab Spring?

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RT - 16 hours ago Crowds gathered in New York's financial district to protest Wall Street greed, corruption and lack of accountability. RT dove into the rally to find out ... Video: Yahoo Mail is Censoring Emails About #OccupyWallStreet YouTube Yahoo accidentally blocks Occupy Wall Street emails, apologizes Straight.com (Blogs) (blog) all 172 news articles
99 Percenters Occupy Wall Street

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Truthdig - Amy Goodman - 33 minutes ago Yet 2000 people did occupy Wall Street last Saturday. They weren't carrying the banner of the tea party, the Gadsden flag with its coiled snake and the ...
Occupy Wall Street : Roseanne to be President?

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Roseanne Barr has addressed demonstrators in New York, declaring her support for Occupy Wall Street and confirming that she is really running for president. ...
Lupe Fiasco Marches In Wall Street Protest, States View On New ...
HipHopDX - Salima Koroma - 13 hours ago Although the protest, called " Occupy Wall Street ," has overtly demanded higher taxes for corporations and criticizes Capitalism, there is also an underlying ... Video: Lupe Fiasco on Building 7, 911 truth and New World Order YouTube Highly Cited: Lupe Fiasco Talks 9/11 Conspiracy at New York Protest BET Building 7: Lupe Fiasco Talks 9/11 Conspiracy Long Island Press Hip-Hop Wired - RapBasement.com all 17 news articles
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Protests dwindle in attempt to ' occupy Wall Street '

Toronto Star - Antonia Zerbisias - 2 hours ago Lacy MacAuley is seen here being arrested during a peaceful protest at the G20 summit in Toronto in the summer of 2010. By Antonia Zerbisias Feature Writer ...
Occupy Wall Street : Day 4 - This is what democracy looks like

OpEdNews - Chaz Valenza - 12 hours ago This morning Occupy Wall Street put out the word that more reinforcements were needed. Last night there was a discussion ...
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Rev. Jesse Jackson on Taxing the Rich, Occupy Wall Street Protest ...
Democracy Now - 10 hours ago Jackson says he supports the " Occupy Wall Street " protests underway now in New York City. He also discusses the pending call by Ralph Nader for a primary ...
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How a Pizza Joint Became the Official Caterer of the Revolution
Gawker - 1 day ago Occupy Wall Street , The Anonymous-backed protests in Lower Manhattan, caused some headaches for financial district commuters today. ... Liberatos pizza restaurant becomes unofficial Occupy Wall Street ... 100gf | Politics and Computers all 2 news articles
Old Anti-Mask Law Foils Wall Street Protestors

New York Magazine - 10 hours ago Since the start of the Occupy Wall Street protest on Saturday, at least five people have been cited for violating a little-known New York law that bans ...
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com kristinlschall@gmail.com [september17discuss] Occupiers Childcare Center Tuesday, September 20, 2011 4:59:14 PM
Hey all, I'm back in action ;) Kristin is a trained Early Childhood Teacher, subbing right now and also studying. She's interested in helping start our Occupiers Childcare Center! Can we do the following: (1) Get someone on this list (or CC'd to it) to agree to head up coordination (2) Start getting donations of supplies (I'm confirming our physical mailing address at nwc.co tonight), and (3) Start doing OUTREACH to working parents 2 bring their kids down. Her # is 928-308-7563
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] OCCUPY WALL ST Labor WORKING GROUP Friday, September 23, 2011 1:25:51 AM
The calendar is wrong, but is being corrected. We are meeting Friday 6PM at the big red sculpture at the Broadway entrance. In case of rain there will be an alternate site. -----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard S. Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 12:58 AM To: september17 Subject: [september17discuss] Re: OCCUPY WALL ST Labor WORKING GROUP The calendar had said 6 am. Can I assume that is not correct? I thought it was odd, but I thought, considering so many people are staying all night, I guess it's possible. I seriously was considering heading out late tonight to get there at 6 am, because I'm on an odd schedule. (It might have been a way for me to get involved again, which I have not been lately.) I can't go at 6 pm because, right before I saw this notice, I arranged to do something else. BTW, I really kind of have drifted out of this, for various reasons, though I think the occupation in general is a very good thing. I hope you don't all mind that I'm still talking so much on the Google list, but it's difficult for me not to sometimes. :) Richard On Sep 22, 11:30 pm, "Jackie DiSalvo" <jdisa...@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > We are meeting again Friday 6PM at the bid red sculpture at the Broadway > entrance to Liberty Plaza. Our picketing at the Boathouse in Central Park > is off BECAUSE THEY JUST WON! > > Our agenda may include planning a program with trade unionists at the park. > > -> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "No Budget Cuts NY--Discussion" group. > To post to this group, send email to > no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/no-budget-cutsEmails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
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We are meeting again Friday 6PM at the bid red sculpture at the Broadway entrance to Liberty Plaza. Our picketing at the Boathouse in Central Park is off BECAUSE THEY JUST WON! Our agenda may include planning a program with trade unionists at the park. -You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "No Budget Cuts NY--Discussion" group. To post to this group, send email to no-budget-cuts-nydiscussion@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to no-budget-cuts-nydiscussion+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/no-budgetcuts-ny-discussion?hl=en.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Harrison Schultz september17 [september17discuss] occupywallst.org Analytics report - good news we can all use! Tuesday, September 20, 2011 5:11:36 PM
Comrades, The situation on at Liberty square is obviously somewhat precarious, however it's a something of a relief to report that things have never looked better in cyberspace! We reached a high water mark in terms of visits and awareness on the 17th!!! We had 56,356 total visits - we were at 12,283 the day before this is an astounding 359% increase! The number fell a down to 43,308 yesterday however this is still far higher than any other day we've seen since before the 17th - feel proud! The number of total unique visitors has followed the same trend there was another astounding 343% increase between the 16th and 17th. We saw a nice spike in the NYC region as well although it was "only" an 89% increase due to the fact local awareness typically seems to be a bit higher than outside NYC. It is also critical to report that most visits to occupywallst.org come from direct traffic searches mostly on google however facebook has become the number one referral site to occupywallst.org. Total visits from Facebook have increased by a whopping 457%. Want more good news? Unlike the other measures I've discussed in this report, visits from Facebook have only been increasing by a very solid 36% over the past few days since the 17th. Bear in mind that facebook is currently only responsible for sending us just under 11% of our total traffic in spite of these huge increases, suggesting that there is huge potential to make the movement grow by using Facebook. It's also important to keep in mind that our comrade Bill/radleft who's been working with us remotely from Tennessee has been hooking many of us up with lots of radio air time - which I unfortunately have no way to measure but which will no doubt help swell our ranks. He informed me yesterday that he personally suspects that we'll see a huge turnout over the weekend. Adbusters has also called for more reinforcements. I hope that the take away lesson from all of this is clear - our strategy has been working! - so dig deep and HOLD YOUR GROUND!!! I also received a report from Grim Woman who began picking up some negative feedback on the phone lines after a somewhat grim report was listed on occupywallst.org. I strongly urge individuals in this movement to avoid posting images that could be considered "riot porn" for the time being, at least until our numbers on the ground cycle back up. I also suggest avoiding civil disobedience and any unnecessary arrests that might thin our ranks for the moment as well. Let's play some defense on the square for a little while.
If you're on the ground and you've been on the ground for too long thank you, you're sacrifices and actions have not been in vain, expect relief this coming weekend. I also propose an unrestrained "content attack" on Facebook - let's flood it with our photos, updates, and youtube clip postings. Let's individually "friend" as many people as possible on the sight and recycle and redistribute our content over and over again by "sharing it" it'll push our individual messages to the top of the news feeds and it will make a difference. I'm on my way back to try and help defend our new home, I look forward to sleeping in the rain with all of you this evening! Love and rage comrades! Harrison Tesoura Schultz
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Alexandre Machado De Sant"Anna Carvalho september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] On Black Lights, Hellium Ballons and Humanization (check photos) Friday, September 23, 2011 12:42:15 PM avatars.JPG cosmiccavern.JPG cosmicdali.JPG cosmichands.JPG
I also second the helium ballons. As a side note already announced at the GA, Patch Adams called me the other day to congratulate us on everything we are doing and the bravery we are showing, and asked me to pass the following message: "The revolution needs to be FUN! And humanizing! It cannot be burdensome, or else the weight becomes umbearable". Indeed, thanks Patch! Inspired by that and the ballon idea, i want to set up at Liberty Square Black Lights on the trees or floor, protected in a iron clad, so we all glow at night. Not only that, if we use fluorescent paint, we can look like Avatar my brothers and sisters! This can give the aesthetic impression to passerby's and media that something really special is happening there (which is, Participatory Democracy! :-) Below some photos on how this would look like. Ale -Alexandre M.S. Carvalho, M.D., MPH 2009 Reynolds Fellow mobile +1 914 563 4209 home +1 914 633 0415 www.nyu.edu/reynolds
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Nathan Schneider september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] On nonviolence and technology Friday, September 23, 2011 4:33:24 PM
Dear occupiers, Having taken a break from the plaza for a night and a day, I've been doing some more reflective thinking about this magnificent movement and certain aspects of it and its tactics. I'd like to share with you the two articles I've published since leaving the plaza late last night (and what a night it was!). The first, which appeared this morning on the website Truthout, takes a look at the role that technology has played in the movementand the ways that it has often misled those trying to understand what it's really all about. Basically, it's a reminder (which we all should already know) that one cannot build a revolution on Twitter alone: http://www.truth-out.org/occupywallstreet-more-hashtag-its-revolution-formation/1316784846 http://wagingnonviolence.org/2011/09/occupywallstreet-is-more-than-a-hashtag/ The second, which is perhaps a bit more critical, is about the way that we've been responding to incursions by the police. I take as a jumping-off point some things said by Ivan Marovic of Otpor last night, who helped lead the student movement that brought down Milosevic. I argue here that the occupation should make more of a priority of teaching nonviolent discipline and tacticswhich isn't to say, of course, that there has been violence on its part: http://wagingnonviolence.org/2011/09/the-whole-world-is-watching-nonviolence-at-liberty-plaza/ I hope these are in some way useful to some of you, or to someone you know. Yours, Nathan Nathan Schneider Editor, Waging Nonviolence http://wagingnonviolence.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow september17 [september17discuss] outreach flyers Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:40:57 PM OccupyWallStflyer-bw.jpg OccupyWallStflyer-color.jpg
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Airplane september17 [september17discuss] Outreach opportunity w/October 6 Wednesday, September 21, 2011 12:33:44 AM
Dear occupiers, As many of you know, the next event on the American Autumn revolutionary calendar is the October 6th occupation of Washington's Freedom Plaza (sound familiar?). The group organizing that is doing a fundraiser comedy show at 6-8 at the Bowery Poetry Club on Wednesday 9/21today! It's $15, if yr feeling rich after all that free pizza. I'd be happy to make some introductions between the groups, which are both hungry, I know, for mutual solidarity opportunities. Nathan
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] People from Barcelona and the livestream Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:35:44 PM
We got a person from Barcelona on twitter who wishes to do some sort of livestream tip exchange or something (exact tweet was "@OccupyWallSt We are from barcelona ustream.tv/channel/benjam we want to comunicate with Wall St. people for do direct streaming!" http://www.ustream.tv/channel/benjamincharmer - this is the stream link.) Who is doing the stream already?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Drew Hornbein september17 [september17discuss] Please tweet @NYC_GA important information Wednesday, September 21, 2011 2:12:11 AM
Hello everyone, I know we have a lot of twitter accounts flying around, I would like put another in the mix. @NYC_GA I think the best way to pass information to the web site is through this method. Just tweet or find someone to tweet important information as it relates to the General Assembly. Like: General Assembly minutes Calendar events from GA or working groups Important links, such as donation or legal information News alerts Anyone who can get involved with blogging from the ground please e-mail drew@nycga.net and register for an account on the site. Then meet me or one of the other internet committee members and we'll give you access.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of lucy u. valkury september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Police attack encampment in Paris, solidarity actions being held around Europe Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:43:02 PM
I cannot find much about this in actual news sites, but the march from Madrid that joined up with people in Paris tried to set up camp in the city and were attacked by the police. A friend who is there said many were arrested and a couple seriously injured, and that there are solidarity actions happening in Madrid and around the world. Here are some blogs that have reported it: http://spanishrevolution11.wordpress.com/ http://roarmag.org/2011/09/french-police-detain-over-a-hundred-indignados-inparis/ http://roarmag.org/2011/09/marchabruselas-and-antibanks-in-paris-in-pictures/ -Lucy
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jerome september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Police unrest in Paris Friday, September 23, 2011 5:32:43 AM
Indignados from spain and Paris in front of the stock market in Paris http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xl888a_les-indignes-evacues-manu-militari-de-laplace-de-la-bourse_news
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Possible action site: Lincoln Center Wednesday night Monday, September 19, 2011 1:32:43 PM
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 New York Philharmonic : at Lincoln Center Plaza Opening Night Celebration of the 170th Season 6:00 pm. Cocktail reception, and concert, followed by dinner. Black tie attire. Co-chaired by Daria L. Foster, Kiara Silverstein,Larry Silverstein. Tickets from $1,500.00. Tables from $15,000.00. Lincoln Center-Avery Fisher Hall. New York. Contact: Courtney K. Ford. (212) 875-5757. Event address: 10 Lincoln Center Plaza, New York. Sponsored by Breguet Credit Suisse. Event web address: nyphil.org/support/openingnight2011_gala.cfm. Sponsors and Chairs: BNY Mellon Credit Suisse J. Christopher Flowers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Christopher_Flowers (I have done a lot of research on him, and though he is one of the people who has profited so much from the financial system, having this so close to him, ie: on his off time at an event, may bring his sympathies to become an ally of sorts) Daria L. Foster Didi and Oscar Schafer Klara and Larry A. Silverstein: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Silverstein (he is the developer building the "freedom tower" for the benefit of corporate entities) I am also saving a document with these events, if there are one or two people that would like access I can grant, but I don't feel good about making this a public document.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justine september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] possible mailing address and storage space Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:31:09 PM
I just got word from Bill Csapo that a friend of ours could possibly help us out with storage space and a mailing address. Here's the message he left for me: ----"Our" Jeremy (worked on NYC IWW) does have storage space and mail addies available, I just talked to him. Sent Terrorint, an email earlier with Jeremy's contact, Jeremy is awaiting call from Terrorint or someone to line this up. Could you pass this on, and I'll send email also. Jeremy: 917-991-5450
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gary Roland september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] POSTING TO OCCUPYWALLSTREET.ORG Friday, September 23, 2011 1:26:23 PM
Can someone please post the following statement and link to the occupywallst.org site. Thanks and any help in publicizing this event on twitter would be very helpfulSOTHEBY'S STATEMENT- LABOR ACTION GROUP On the morning of September 22, 2011 activists involved in #OCCUPYWALLSTREET disrupted an art auction at Sotheby's Art Auctions on the Upper East Side. Last year Sotheby's made profits of $680 Million Dollars. Their CEO Bill Rupprecht awarded himself a 125% raise. At the same time Sotheby's has decided to use union busting tactics, demanding over 100 concessions to the IBT 814 Art Handlers Union Contract.
#OCCUPYWALLSTREET supporters are appalled at the persistent attack on workers rights. We support the right of the workers to collectively bargain. Sotheby's wants all new hires to have no collective bargaining rights, no health benefits and no job security. After locking out their unionized work force, Sotheby's continues to operate using scabs and a non-union subcontractor. Sotheby's Art Auctions epitomize the disconnect of the extremely wealthy from the rest of us. Sotheby's Art Auctions are a sanctuary for the financial elite; where hedge fund managers & wealthy bankers bid millions of dollars for art objects; while the rest of us struggle to put food on the table because of their actions. These are the same financial elites who were bailed out in their moment of need and now refuse to pay their fair share in taxes. Many of these Hedge Fund Managers still pay a smaller tax rate than the rest of us. That is our money! End the greed & expose the disconnect! #OCCUPYWALLSTREET supporters call on the 99% to raid the sanctuaries of the financial elite; to conduct non-violent civil disobedience in the country clubs, luxury shops, and private resorts where the Financial Elite gather; and to show that WE WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE BUSINESS AS USUAL. DON'T LET SOTHEBY'S AUCTION OFF GOOD MIDDLE CLASS JOBS TO THE LOWEST BIDDER! DON'T LET SOTHEBY'S AUCTION OFF THE AMERICAN DREAM!
MAKE WALL STREET PAY! DOWN WITH SOTHEBY'S! DOWN WITH GREED! UP WITH THE PEOPLE! UP WITH THE UNIONS! Hugs & Kisses, The #OCCUPYWALLSTREET Labor Action Group #WEARECOMING http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwjcR_UrzWw
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17 [september17discuss] Press Advisory for We are the 99% March needs to go out out ASAP Friday, September 23, 2011 10:38:44 AM
Attention Media Working Group. Is the release out or is it going out this morning? Getting prearticles and stories that announce the March on Saturday is important to getting people to the park. Can someone from media send this around so we can all help get it out there.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] PRINT FLYERS Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:02:14 AM OccupyWallStflyer-bw.jpg OccupyWallStflyer-color.jpg
here's another flyer if people want to print! the "bw" is for printing in black and white (even though it's in computer on color... i made the "handwritten" text black so it appears in a b/w print-out. it includes the nocutsny.wordpress.com (new yorkers against budget cuts) website... the people that were responsible for planning the recent bloombergville occupation from june! plus it includes twitter hashtags... the toll-free roll over PHONE NUMBER in case people that DON'T HAVE A COMPUTER AND DON'T HAVE INTERNET (many many people!) want to participate and get current updates about location, etc!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Micah White september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] proposal: No Corporate Donations / No Advertising Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:02:13 PM
I'd like to propose the following, and would appreciate it if someone could take this to the GA meeting. Proposal: "We believe that corporate money should not be allowed to influence democracy. Therefore, the General Assembly will not accept donations, financial or otherwise, from corporations. Furthermore, we will not allow corporate advertising to be placed on websites affiliated with our occupation. We will resist efforts by corporations to co-opt our movement towards real democracy in America."
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Micah White september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Question Sunday, September 18, 2011 12:57:21 PM
Hey everyone, What are the top three things that you need to keep the occupation going? It is very difficult to know what is going on in NYC, is there a committee/person tasked with sending regular updates about the situation? If so, please forward their contact information to me. Thank you, Micah
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17 [september17discuss] Quick media roundup Sunday, September 18, 2011 2:01:08 AM
The media coverage has been wall to wall. So far S17 has been covered by CNN, Fox (national and local), CBS (national), ABC (national), MSNBC, the NY Times, The Nation, NY1, PIX 11, New York Magazine, Village Voice, Boston Globe, San Francisco Chronicle, Huffington Post, Democracy Now, Truthout, and Sky News Australia, among others. You can browse the media coverage at http://news.google.com/news/story? pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&num=30&q=occupy+wall+street&ncl=dchKeGEC7r3UDxMd5eSaKMIg7zFSM .
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Richard S. september17 [september17discuss] Re: #OccupyWallStreet stays alive by becoming #WeAreThe99 Tuesday, September 20, 2011 1:29:32 PM
I absolutely agree with Ryan. I've felt this all along, and that is why I have never been completely comfortable with the "99 percent" idea as, to reiterate what Ryan said, "THE central message." Yes, to "inclusive but weak," yes to "majorly lacks a class analysis." As some of you have been writing, "+1" or "+1,000." Richard On Sep 20, 7:38 am, Ryan David Acuff <rac...@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't fully get the 99% bit. 99% of what? Is the implication that the > people making $250,000 a year are somehow exploited by those who make > $350,000 a year? If that's the central message, I think it majorly lacks a > class analysis. It's certainly useful to give percentages to demonstrate > massive inequality, but it seems to also imply that the solution is to > redistribute the wealth, not change system that creates the inequalities in > the first place. I don't think you can tax away capitalism. I believe we > need to democratize the economy. I think the 99% piece sounds inclusive, > but weak as THE central message. but if I'm missing something let me know. > > As for rewriting the constitution, perhaps the group could draft a > principles of unity that would be general enough and on still on target > enough to be adopted by the GA. > > Ryan > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:03 AM, NicolasMoselleAllen > <allenico...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > > > > > yeah, agreed. perhaps it was a bit overreaching, the constitution bit. > > i still stand behind luis's idea though, and I hope someone will be > > able to raise it at the GA tomorrow. > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsing...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > I don't know if that's what happened in Spain, but it seems a little > > > premature and grandiose to be drafting a constitution at this point, > > given > > > that there are only a few hundred people occupying a small park in a > > single > > > city. Rather than trying to create a new society on such a miniscule > > basis, > > > our time might be better spent finding ways to connect with the everyday, > > > practical concerns of people facing the loss of their jobs, health care, > > > housing, retirement, quality education for their children, etc. In order > > to > > > have any shot at creating a new society, we need a LOT more people on > > board
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> than we have now (either in Zucotti Park specifically or in the movement as > a whole), and raising demands that connect with peoples' daily lives is the > best way to expand from a small, insular group of activists to a broad > movement - and that's the spirit that I understood Luis's proposal to be > made in.
> > Doug > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:42 AM, NicolasMoselleAllen > > <allenico...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> If I arrive in time tomorrow I will try to propose it at the General > >> Assembly. When are they planning on holding the GA? > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I also plan on making a proposal that I think would be compatible with the image "rebranding" proposal: that we attempt to reframe our communication with the world by drafting a Constitution, a set of common values that could represent us and the society that we as a movement are trying to model-forth, rather than proposing "Demands" as we've been calling them. It's my understanding that this is what happened in Spain, with considerable success.
> >> OK! > > > > > > >> >> >> >> GA >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocabal...@yahoo.es> wrote: > Yes, thanks! Let's make it #Wearethe99. > I'm in Philly working until Friday, would anyone propose this at the > tomorrow?
> >> > On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:59 PM, grimwomyn wrote: > >> > unfortunately, the % doesnt work as a proper hashtag, what about a > >> > slight > >> > edit to #wearethe99 > >> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud > >> > <morenocabal...@yahoo.es> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> Dear friends, >> >> It looks like #OccupyWallStreet is in urgent need of a massive and >> >> targeted outreach operation to stay alive. The key to the success of >> >> the >> >> movement is to be inclusive. Right now the movement is too homogeneous, >> >> due >> >> to the "activist" imaginary and language identified with it (example: >> >> the >> >> word "occupy", the images of stereotypical activists used by Adbusters, >> >> etc). >> >> If we really want to start a massive movement like the ones in Egypt, >> >> Iceland, Spain, Greece, etc, we should change those referents. If we >> >> don't >> >> act quickly the movement will vanish, and it would have been just >> >> another >> >> activist movement. I propose that we start today a fast and massive
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>> >> outreach >> >> campaign with this idea: #WeAreThe99%. >> >> This is the plan: we put all our energy and resources in outreaching >> >> for >> >> the #WeAreThe99% Day which will happen next Saturday 23rd, at our space >> >> in >> >> Zucotti/Liberty Park. We propose tomorrow at the assembly: everyone >> >> form >> >> groups and march right now to different spots in the city (squares, >> >> neighborhoods, universities, labor unions) with signs, fliers, and a >> >> clear >> >> message: >> >> "Political parties govern in the name of the 1% that control almost all >> >> financial wealth. We are the 99%." >> >> "We have taken a space at the heart of Wall Street to start changing >> >> this >> >> situation. Join us at Zucotti/Liberty Park on Saturday September 23rd >> >> for >> >> the We Are The 99% Day. Stay with us." >> >> What do you think? We have a lot of attention in the internet and even >> >> mainstream media, let's use it now before it's gone! Let's create a >> >> really >> >> inclusive and massive movement, let's go beyond traditional identities, >> >> let's become a real multitude!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Cesar Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com; Begonia Santa-Cecilia; Vicente Rubio; Angel Luis Lara [september17discuss] Re: #OccupyWallStreet stays alive by becoming #WeAreThe99% Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:10:05 PM
I do not think hashtagg/name is mayor reachout problem, Although it could improve. Short Definition of motive would help a Lot. Check out STop the macine Oct6. Include citizens and non-citizens in Short statement. It will define movement in more human framework and promote broadest allience. Reach out to unions, and grasroots without message is difficult. Yes, along the lines of freedom fro Wall street and their representatives in Washington. Snt frm phn
On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:47 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote:
Dear friends, It looks like #OccupyWallStreet is in urgent need of a massive and targeted outreach operation to stay alive. The key to the success of the movement is to be inclusive. Right now the movement is too homogeneous, due to the "activist" imaginary and language identified with it (example: the word "occupy", the images of stereotypical activists used by Adbusters, etc). If we really want to start a massive movement like the ones in Egypt, Iceland, Spain, Greece, etc, we should change those referents. If we don't act quickly the movement will vanish, and it would have been just another activist movement. I propose that we start today a fast and massive outreach campaign with this idea: #WeAreThe99%. This is the plan: we put all our energy and resources in outreaching for the #WeAreThe99% Day which will happen next Saturday 23rd, at our space in Zucotti/Liberty Park. We propose tomorrow at the assembly: everyone form groups and march right now to different spots in the city (squares, neighborhoods, universities, labor unions) with signs, fliers, and a clear message: "Political parties govern in the name of the 1%
that control almost all financial wealth. We are the 99%." "We have taken a space at the heart of Wall Street to start changing this situation. Join us at Zucotti/Liberty Park on Saturday September 23rd for the We Are The 99% Day. Stay with us." What do you think? We have a lot of attention in the internet and even mainstream media, let's use it now before it's gone! Let's create a really inclusive and massive movement, let's go beyond traditional identities, let's become a real multitude!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: #TroyDavis and #OccupyWallStreet Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:34:32 AM
I think this could be a great idea. The Troy Davis judicial murder is one of the issues that seems to have got occupy Atlanta together and I think it fits rather well with the idea of opposing hierarchical tyranny. On Sep 22, 1:32 am, pirijod <piri...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone! > > There are people organizing an Outreach Day for #TroyDavis in Union Square > at 5pm. The call is really spreading out in Twitter. Don't you think we > should go there and try to take the people to #OccupyWallStreet? I think we > should bond #TroyDavis and #OccupyWallStreet in Twitter as much as we can. > > ruso.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: $6000? Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:15:10 PM
What about doing both? The 5 tickets can't cost so much, we're not going to buy first class train tickets and let's be realistic and limit to east-coast ish. We're pushing organization efforts in SF, LA and Chicago, it's not like anyone would benefit from dragging someone from the west or the midwest since they have protests to make grow, we have a budget and, yeah, inviting people to eat locally is also pretty important.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of William Russell no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion@googlegroups.com september17@googlegroups.com; no-budget-cuts-ny-announcements@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Re: [BudgetCutsDiscuss] Labor support at occupy wall street Tuesday, September 20, 2011 9:28:02 AM
Last night they erected tarps at Zuccotti park, and I talked to the police and they said they wouldn't take them down. -Will On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: Does anyone know of a convenient place we can meet at 7:40 tonight, Tues night, if there is rain?
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: [september17discuss} Outreach to Workers Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:39:49 PM
I know some people have said it would be divisive, but we really really need the kind of numbers. We also should appeal to the unemployed, although I know it's already been said a number of tiems though. Oh, and what would people think of trying to have a volunteer childcare sort of thing running? I'm always sort of torn on children at protests, but I know a lot of families have the issue that, well, the kids really do come first.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Richard S. september17 [september17discuss] Re: [september17discuss} Outreach to Workers Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:24:09 PM
Hi. I was just talking about this to someone in the IWW. There are already a few Wobblies involved, one who has facilitated at some of the organizing GAs. Of course, the IWW is not a big labor union these days, but they actually have been doing work to organize people who are outside of the big unions (a lot more such work than they did ten years ago, I might add), and they do have contacts with a lot of the "labor movement." I know there will be Wobblies there tonight, and I have passed the message along to one. So, if you are concerned about this, go around and look for a Wobbly. :) In the longer term, I think there should be some strategy for appealing to workers outside of the trade unions and union bureaucracies. We need to build more awareness in this country about stuff that our European comrades have already been discussing for a long time - precarity or precarious workers, newly proletarianized workers, new ideas of class composition, and autonomous organizing. (I talked about all of this in a small way in our little GA breakaway yesterday; that was fun.) Since the percentage of workers who are members of the known trade unions have sunk close to the single digits (and are in the single digits in the private sector), there must be other ways to appeal to workers and people's shared interest as workers. Trade union bureaucracies, especially, have sold workers out a bunch of times in recent history, with a big tendency toward making concessions, so this certainly seems like a good time to think about alternative methods. (This is my observation, anyway, and one that has been shared by a number of people who are concerned about these matters. On the other hand, I fully support the rank-and-file union members and would never speak against the workers in a trade union action.) Richard P.S. I can get some phone numbers of some IWW organizers and contact them if people would like me to (though some of you may already be talking to them :) ). On Sep 18, 2:25 pm, Joshua van Praag <jvanpr...@me.com> wrote: > I couldnt agree more with Jackie -- labor's involvement is key and as she points out there are so many locals in the NY area right now that are waging their own disparate, isolated struggles against the machine that is slowly crushing them. Workers' involvement in this action would have a hugely transformative effect. > > Joshua van Praag > jvanpr...@me.com > > +1.347.445.8315 > +44.(0)7787.896952 > > On Sep 18, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Conor <cocor...@gmail.com> wrote: >
> > > > > > > > + 1,000,000 to Jackie's proposal on working people / union struggles outreach and solidarity. > > > Also, why not invite people to protest Troy Davis's execution date at Liberty Plaza this Monday? > > > -Conor > > > On Sep 18, 2011, at 1:43 PM, "Jackie DiSalvo" <jdisa...@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > > >> We need more outreach to workers. The best way to do that is by showing solidarity with them. We can start by passing resolutions announcing our support for Hotel Trades Council workers on strike at the Central Park Boathouse restaurant and the struggles of NYC Local 1199, SEIU (Social Service Employees Union) at Brookdale Hospital and Long Island Hospital in Brooklyn, also those facing layoffs including school aides, Local 372, DC (District Council) 37, AFSCME (American Federation State, County and Municipal Employees) and school bus drivers from the NYC ATU (Amalgamated Transit Union); of the CWA (Communication Workers of America) against demands for concessions at Verizon, of the struggle of Local 100 TWU (Transit Workers Union), to amend the NY anti-strike Taylor Law and of the UFT (United Federation of Teachers) to extend the Millionaire's Tax and the NNU (National Nurses United) to get a financial transactions tax. > > >> -----Original Message----> >> From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Schneider > >> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:55 AM > >> To: september17@googlegroups.com > >> Subject: [september17discuss] WNV video: #OccupyWallStreet begins, and improvises > > >> A bit of video from yesterday. Will try to fix the aspect ratio or > >> whatever you call it. Thanks to all who spoke with us! See you in a > >> few hours! > > >>http://wagingnonviolence.org/2011/09/occupywallstreet-begins-and-impr... > > >> Nathan > > >> > >> Nathan Schneider > >> Editor, Waging Nonviolence > >>http://wagingnonviolence.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: [september17discuss} Outreach to Workers Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:47:21 PM
Someone asked me where to deliver on the twitter feed? On Sep 18, 5:29 pm, Justin Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote: > To donate pizza tonight: > > IMPORTANT-Plz order 4 #OccupyWallStreet'ers tonight! Liberato's Pizza in in #NYC Phone: (212) 344-3464 Online:http://t.co/7CpJwbrb#sep17 > > Justin Wedes > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn > > Use your voice! > Web:www.OurSchoolsNYC.org > Twitter: NYCPubSchooler > >~ > There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab >~ > > On Sep 18, 2011, at 5:24 PM, "Richard S." <chardsin...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi. I was just talking about this to someone in the IWW. There are > > already a few Wobblies involved, one who has facilitated at some of > > the organizing GAs. Of course, the IWW is not a big labor union these > > days, but they actually have been doing work to organize people who > > are outside of the big unions (a lot more such work than they did ten > > years ago, I might add), and they do have contacts with a lot of the > > "labor movement." > > > I know there will be Wobblies there tonight, and I have passed the > > message along to one. So, if you are concerned about this, go around > > and look for a Wobbly. :) > > > In the longer term, I think there should be some strategy for > > appealing to workers outside of the trade unions and union > > bureaucracies. We need to build more awareness in this country about > > stuff that our European comrades have already been discussing for a > > long time - precarity or precarious workers, newly proletarianized > > workers, new ideas of class composition, and autonomous organizing. > > (I talked about all of this in a small way in our little GA breakaway > > yesterday; that was fun.) Since the percentage of workers who are > > members of the known trade unions have sunk close to the single digits > > (and are in the single digits in the private sector), there must be > > other ways to appeal to workers and people's shared interest as > > workers. Trade union bureaucracies, especially, have sold workers out > > a bunch of times in recent history, with a big tendency toward making > > concessions, so this certainly seems like a good time to think about
> > alternative methods. (This is my observation, anyway, and one that > > has been shared by a number of people who are concerned about these > > matters. On the other hand, I fully support the rank-and-file union > > members and would never speak against the workers in a trade union > > action.) > > > Richard > > > P.S. I can get some phone numbers of some IWW organizers and contact > > them if people would like me to (though some of you may already be > > talking to them :) ). > > > On Sep 18, 2:25 pm, Joshua van Praag <jvanpr...@me.com> wrote: > >> I couldnt agree more with Jackie -- labor's involvement is key and as she points out there are so many locals in the NY area right now that are waging their own disparate, isolated struggles against the machine that is slowly crushing them. Workers' involvement in this action would have a hugely transformative effect. > > >> Joshua van Praag > >> jvanpr...@me.com > > >> +1.347.445.8315 > >> +44.(0)7787.896952 > > >> On Sep 18, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Conor <cocor...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>> + 1,000,000 to Jackie's proposal on working people / union struggles outreach and solidarity. > > >>> Also, why not invite people to protest Troy Davis's execution date at Liberty Plaza this Monday? > > >>> -Conor > > >>> On Sep 18, 2011, at 1:43 PM, "Jackie DiSalvo" <jdisa...@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > > >>>> We need more outreach to workers. The best way to do that is by showing solidarity with them. We can start by passing resolutions announcing our support for Hotel Trades Council workers on strike at the Central Park Boathouse restaurant and the struggles of NYC Local 1199, SEIU (Social Service Employees Union) at Brookdale Hospital and Long Island Hospital in Brooklyn, also those facing layoffs including school aides, Local 372, DC (District Council) 37, AFSCME (American Federation State, County and Municipal Employees) and school bus drivers from the NYC ATU (Amalgamated Transit Union); of the CWA (Communication Workers of America) against demands for concessions at Verizon, of the struggle of Local 100 TWU (Transit Workers Union), to amend the NY anti-strike Taylor Law and of the UFT (United Federation of Teachers) to extend the Millionaire's Tax and the NNU (National Nurses United) to get a financial transactions tax. > > >>>> -----Original Message----> >>>> From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Schneider > >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:55 AM > >>>> To: september17@googlegroups.com > >>>> Subject: [september17discuss] WNV video: #OccupyWallStreet begins, and improvises > > >>>> A bit of video from yesterday. Will try to fix the aspect ratio or > >>>> whatever you call it. Thanks to all who spoke with us! See you in a > >>>> few hours! > > >>>>http://wagingnonviolence.org/2011/09/occupywallstreet-begins-and-impr... > > >>>> Nathan >
> > > >
>>>> >>>> Nathan Schneider >>>> Editor, Waging Nonviolence >>>>http://wagingnonviolence.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] RE: [september17discuss} Outreach to Workers Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:43:13 PM
We need more outreach to workers. The best way to do that is by showing solidarity with them. We can start by passing resolutions announcing our support for Hotel Trades Council workers on strike at the Central Park Boathouse restaurant and the struggles of NYC Local 1199, SEIU (Social Service Employees Union) at Brookdale Hospital and Long Island Hospital in Brooklyn, also those facing layoffs including school aides, Local 372, DC (District Council) 37, AFSCME (American Federation State, County and Municipal Employees) and school bus drivers from the NYC ATU (Amalgamated Transit Union); of the CWA (Communication Workers of America) against demands for concessions at Verizon, of the struggle of Local 100 TWU (Transit Workers Union), to amend the NY anti-strike Taylor Law and of the UFT (United Federation of Teachers) to extend the Millionaire's Tax and the NNU (National Nurses United) to get a financial transactions tax. -----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Schneider Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:55 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] WNV video: #OccupyWallStreet begins, and improvises A bit of video from yesterday. Will try to fix the aspect ratio or whatever you call it. Thanks to all who spoke with us! See you in a few hours! http://wagingnonviolence.org/2011/09/occupywallstreet-begins-and-improvises/ Nathan Nathan Schneider Editor, Waging Nonviolence http://wagingnonviolence.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: credit unions Monday, September 19, 2011 6:51:51 PM
Another question in that vein: was a bank run planned? If not should we plan one? If we don't should we try to coordinate it with the European bank run planned for early october? If we do this, could we rub it in by involving some community credit unions or something as a "and you're not seeing this cash anymore" thing. On Sep 19, 5:21 am, Drew Hornbein <dhornb...@gmail.com> wrote: > Anyone part of a credit union? > > How can I protest the banks when in my wallet rests the JP Morgan & Chase > corporate logo? > > This would be a good opportunity for credit unions to recruit members. > > Solidarity.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: credit unions Monday, September 19, 2011 10:02:22 PM
I too am very interested in learning more about credit unions! And other banking alternatives as well. Why dont we invite a representative of one of the NYC credit unions to Zuccotti Park and do a small presentation to explain how they work? On Sep 19, 6:11 am, Ellen Davidson <ellen.david...@verizon.net> wrote: > The Lower East Side Peoples Federal Credit Union (lespfcu.org) was begun in the 70s when that neighborhood was being redlined by the banks (an illegal practice of drawing a red line around lowincome neighborhoods on the map and denying all loan applications from those areas). It is still very community based and offers checking and savings accounts for $5 membership fee per year. > Ellen > > > > > > > > On 09/19/11,Luis Moreno-Caballud<morenocaballud@yahoo.es>wrote:I'm part of a credit union and be supporting this campaign:http://moveyourmoneyproject.org/ > Please spread the word! > Also, Drew, it would be wonderful if you could put a map showing where's Zucotti park on the website, people keeps telling me that they had trouble to figure out where the "camp" is... > thanks! > solidarity! > On Sep 19, 2011, at 5:21 AM, Drew Hornbein wrote: > > Anyone part of a credit union? >> > > How can I protest the banks when in my wallet rests the JP Morgan & Chase corporate logo? >> > > This would be a good opportunity for credit unions to recruit members. >> > > Solidarity.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: credit unions Monday, September 19, 2011 5:47:03 AM
Additionally, while we could try to create a credit union, it tends to be a rather tedious task that takes some devoted people. That said, it did happen in a number of places, after all, a lot of these credit unions grew from little, and in some countries these credit unions are now some of the largest financial institutions. On Sep 19, 5:40 am, gabj...@gmail.com wrote: > At least in my experience, to join a credit union you have to have a certain tie to an organization (like be stationed at a certain air force base, or work for a company, or go to a college) or have an immediate family member who does. But if anyone knows of exceptions, please certainly do tell us; I'm sure people here will be interested. > > --glj > Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----> From: Drew Hornbein <dhornb...@gmail.com> > > Sender: september17@googlegroups.com > Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 05:21:17 > To: september17<september17@googlegroups.com> > Reply-To: september17@googlegroups.com > Subject: [september17discuss] credit unions > > Anyone part of a credit union? > > How can I protest the banks when in my wallet rests the JP Morgan & Chase > corporate logo? > > This would be a good opportunity for credit unions to recruit members. > > Solidarity.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: CUNY STRIKE study circle relocating to Liberty Plaza this Saturday, 2-4pm! Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:56:54 PM
great! I will put this on calendar for 2 pm: Book Discussion " Reviving the Strike" There is no activity by the stairs at that time, maybe there? Please put up a sign on Saturday so people know where they can find you On Sep 22, 1:35 pm, Conor Toms Reed <conortomasr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, lovelies! A newly forming study circle on the histories, politics, > and specific strategies/tactics of striking--cleverly named "CUNY STRIKE > study circle"--has been meeting for the last couple of months to watch > films, read books, and all around get more clearly oriented on how to > motivate and plan for strike actions in CUNY and NYC. > > In solidarity with occupied Liberty Plaza, and in responding to its various > general assemblies' calls for political education opportunities, we're > moving our next study circle meet-up to Liberty Plaza this Saturday > afternoon. Some of us will join the 12pm march around Wall Street, and then > when we get back to the Plaza, we'll find a corner and discuss parts of Joe > Burns' book *Reviving the Strike* from 2 to 4pm. Please email me if you'd > like to get a free copy of the book via googledocs. I hope some of you will > join our discussion this Saturday! > > hollerin' for radical scholarin', > -Conor
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: Does everyone know about this "counter protest?" Friday, September 23, 2011 10:35:25 AM
I honestly doubt there will be more than a dozen people. If there were more, at least, I'd take it as an opportunity for education.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: Electronics supplies Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:10:56 PM
Also, I was just informed that the Dell model number PA-12 450-12377 charger and 451-10534 and 451-10532 batteries are more universal than asking for a model specific thing.
Let's make it generic supplies - I have people who want to know where to send blanket donations. On Sep 20, 10:10 pm, Lauren <celli...@gmail.com> wrote: > Also, I was just informed that the Dell model number PA-12 450-12377 > charger and 451-10534 and 451-10532 batteries are more universal than > asking for a model specific thing.
Solar lighting! Yes, that could be great if they can be used at night (say, charging). Some of the solar lamps on Thinkgeek do charge iirc. http://www.earthtechproducts.com/solargorilla-solar-charger.html? utm_source=googleshopping&utm_medium=cse&utm_campaign=broi&gdftrk=gdfV21172_a_7c1174_a_7c4776_a_7cSOLG - someone has offered this as a suggestion on the irc channels. Additionally a proposal that's been made is to set up a network backed by distant 802.11n routers, which would have a wide range, and add 3g sticks. I'm sort of sleepy and tea-deprived so I'll get my thoughts together on how we're supposed to combine them in a bit. On Sep 20, 9:54 pm, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thinkgeek.com has a lot of affordable solar options:http://www.thinkgeek.com/brain/whereisit.cgi?t=solar&x=0&y=0 > > Also, IKEA has a solar lamp for $20:http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/90154371 > I actually have this and it is pretty rad > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Lauren <celli...@gmail.com> wrote: > > 1. I was told someone needed spare dell abtteries: 1525 or 1625? > > > 2. Has anyone considered a solar system? Worst case if nobody is > > willing to build it from scratch, Voltaic systems has a laptop > > recharge system for sale. It could at least allow maintaining a laptop > > or two as public terminals. And be cheper in the long run than gaz.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:20:41 PM
My copypaste yesterday went roughly "the exact demands are still being finalized but the rough gist would probably be end the plutocracy, here are some of the proposals presented to the assemblies, etc" (lost the exact text :p ), I'm very careful about not giving people the wrong idea on that point. On Sep 20, 8:16 pm, Justin Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Lauren, > > I think It's important not to misrepresent where we are in our process of demand-making. > > It's OK to be in the process of making them. The world supports us in THAT!! > > -justin > > On Sep 20, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Lauren wrote: > > > > > > > > > Excellent piece. I must be honest, at this point whenever people ask > > if we have demands I just say vague things like "end the plutocracy" > > because no matter what is done at the AG, this is going to be the gist > > of it (I hope, because if it's not, we've sort of failed there).
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:01:08 PM
Excellent piece. I must be honest, at this point whenever people ask if we have demands I just say vague things like "end the plutocracy" because no matter what is done at the AG, this is going to be the gist of it (I hope, because if it's not, we've sort of failed there).
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: flyer design attached Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:27:24 PM
Love it.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Justin Molito [september17discuss] Re: flyer Wednesday, September 21, 2011 2:36:10 PM
I'm tweeting Amy Goodman's "Why Occupy Wall Street Makes Sense" to any NYC grassroots organization I know... Anyone can help? Please RT Amy Goodman: Why #OccupyWallStreet Makes Sense: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/sep/21/occupy-wallstreet-amy-goodman Please join us! On Sep 21, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Justin Molito wrote:
Ok, Maybe we will either do it 2x or wait until Friday... We need to make this an inclusive movement. soon....
From: Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> To: Justin Molito <justinmolito@yahoo.com> Cc: Begonia Santa-Cecilia <begoniasc@yahoo.es> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 1:51 PM Subject: Re: flyer
I finish my class tomorrow at 7pm in Philly, don't think I can make it to Zuccoti before 10:30... I would definitely love to be in that meeting, or if I can't make it at least hear about what happened... thanks! luis On Sep 21, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Justin Molito wrote:
when are you in town? I am going to organize a 99% organizing meeting and I want you there.
From: Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> To: Justinmolito <justinmolito@yahoo.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:49 AM Subject: Re: flyer
Justin, these flyers are great, I will print some and bring them tomorrow night.
De: Justinmolito <justinmolito@yahoo.com> Fecha: 21 de septiembre de 2011 00:08:47 EDT Para: "begoniasc@yahoo.es" <begoniasc@yahoo.es> Asunto: Fwd: flyer Hello Here are the flyers we are distributing. We handed out 4,000 to outreach everywhere! Solidarity! Justin Begin forwarded message: From: Jeff Rae <jeffrae@mac.com> Date: September 20, 2011 7:49:28 PM EDT To: Justin Molito <justinmolito@yahoo.com> Subject: flyer <flyer.pdf>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: For Labor Committee - IWW Friday, September 23, 2011 2:08:27 PM
It would help to know where, or is it related to today? It won't be today. Also has there been no individual wobbly at the committee meetings? Also I did not make the suggestion, one of their members did. As I said, we ran with it. We don't even know when, it's just something they floated around. For now nothing is certain, it's just being agitated for. Knowing them, they won't be able to make their support official until they've had their GMB meeting this month, anyway.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: For Labor Committee - IWW Friday, September 23, 2011 2:09:18 PM
To be specific: It can't be today, the suggestion was made one hour ago.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: Forums, Presentations and Events at Liberty Plaza Wednesday, September 21, 2011 6:59:35 PM
Great! Ivan Marovics lecture at 7pm is at NYU though. Will he do another talk in Liberty Plaza? The calendar is for events within the camp site.
On Sep 21, 3:04 pm, Justin Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote: > oops no link: > > BurcuBaykurt > RT @theyesmen Thurs 7pm, Ivan from Otpor explains how toppled Milosevic then heads to #occupywallstreet to see new revolution yeslab.org/cat > 9/21/11 2:33 PM > > On Sep 21, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Lauren wrote: > > > > > > > What events do we have planned for this week and next? I know that > > there might be an Economics Forum, a lecture on Medicaid, and perhaps > > some guest lecturers from Cuny. Could they please be listed here in > > order to fill out the calendar? > > > Please keep on inviting lecturers for presentations, workshops, ect! > > We need Liberty Plaza to be a place for debate and discussion and > > have people from everywhere coming here to be enlightend! Lets > > continue occupying the hearts and minds of people everywhere : ) > > > Lauren- Hide quoted text > > - Show quoted text -
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: HIGH PRIORITY MESSAGE FOR CHRIS ON FOOD!!! Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:31:17 PM
High priority news, take 2 We have a farmer from Delaware who says he's thinking of coming on Tuesday loaded with sweet potatoes, butternut and acorn squashes. Which would be great if the kitchen was in fact confirmed. He would be coming the second and gave me his email which is ctb302@gmail.com, he asked to email him if we wanted the veggies.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gwomyn september17 [september17discuss] Re: Industry player sites Monday, September 19, 2011 2:46:06 PM
And one more for this week: THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 22, 2011 New York City Ballet Fall Gala Performance, cocktails and dinner. Lincoln Center-David H. Koch Theater. New York. (212) 870-5585. Event address: 20 Lincoln Center Plaza, New York. Event web address: nycballet.com. *FYI: the Theater is named after David Koch, head tea partier: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer FALL GALA David H. Koch Theater, Lincoln Center GALA CHAIRMEN Alec Baldwin Jodie and John Eastman Marlene Hess (Hess Oil Heiress: http://nyti.ms/owkzR7 ) and Jim Zirin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_D._Zirin ) Alice and Lorne Michaels VICE CHAIRS Fiona Druckenmiller, married to the "149th richest person in America" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Druckenmiller Carol Mack Charlotte Moss PAUL MCCARTNEYS OCEANS KINGDOM Choreography by Peter Martins Costumes by Stella McCartney Projections by S. Katy Tucker Scenic Design by Perry Silvey Lighting by Mark Stanley 6:00pm Cocktails 7:30pm Performance 9:00pm Supper Ball Black Tie Gala Tables of 10: $150,000, $100,000, $50,000, $25,000 (limited availability) Gala Tickets: $10,000, $5,000, $2,500, $1,500 (limited availability) Cocktail and Performance Tickets: $750, $350 Please call 212-870-5585 or email specialevents@nycballet.com to purchase tickets. On Sep 19, 12:47 pm, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > So, another high profile target to consider for tomorrow, and evening event > that will be totally unexpected and would make a lot of noise would be to
> have an action at the New York Public Library's $25K a plate dinner tomorrow > night. Usually the exact speakers/attendees of the events are kept hush hush > until after, but here is a recent example:http://newyorkpubliclibrary.org/audiovideo/presidents-councilfall-di... > of the attendees will be linked to the corporate power structure in > one > way or another. > > The location is the main building at 42nd and 5th ave, with a park behind > the library, Bryant Park:http://g.co/maps/uxkxk > > The board of the NYPL is comprised of the top 1% and is just a great general > target for a peaceful powerful action. For all it will scream abt how they > are a struggling NGO, the library is worth over a billion culled from it's > donors. So there will be a large splash of attention with little if any > collateral damage to NYPL. > > Bryant Park is usually crowded from the early afternoon on, so you could do > a lot of outreach there prior in conjunction if you would like. Mix of both > natives and tourists and it is public space. > > 2011/9/19 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasr...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sending this info out, Lisa!! This is exactly what a few > > people were suggesting yesterday in mapping out "pressure points" in the > > financial district to target this week. Any chance we can have another CD > > discussion/training this week in anticipation of Friday? > > > What about getting in touch with USUncut folks who held teach-ins/parties > > in bank locations around NYC? How about we try to "adopt" a few bank lobbies > > on Wednesday? We can record flashmobs to boost online pizazz. > > > see y'all tonight, > > -Conor > > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Lisa Fithian <fithi...@igc.org> wrote: > > >> Again**** > > >> Attached are some maps of industry players in Wall St and Mid-Town**** > > >> If you need other sites to visit. (Goldman is no longer at 85 Broad)*** > >> * > > >> ** ** > > >> The Partnership for New York City is an industry association of all the > >> wealthy players in NY - just off of Broadway not far from Staten Island > >> Ferry is a great place too!**** > > >> ** ** > > >>http://www.pfnyc.org/partners-list.html**** >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> ** ** >> The Downtown Association rich peoples club just down the street from JP >> Chase Plaza**** >>http://www.thedta.com/Default.aspx?p=DynamicModule&PageId=255381&ssid... >> **** >> ** ** >> *Great Lobbies in WS area* >> ** **Duetche Bank on Wall Street multiple entrances including >> subway**** >> ** **Winter Garden in the World Financial Center on the west >> side**** >> ** >> ** >> ** >> ** >> ** ** >> ** ** >> ** ** >> ** ** >> ** ** **JP Morgan Chase Plaza subway accessible**** **Partnership Building **** **ATT&T on Water Street**** **One Financial Plaza Wells Fargo & Morgan Stanley****
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion@googlegroups.com; september17@googlegroups.com; no-budget-cuts-nyannouncements@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] RE: Labor support at occupy wall street Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:35:53 AM
There is a GA meeting tonight at 7 PM. We should probably meet there at 7:40 and figure out how and where to do our business.
From: Jackie DiSalvo [mailto:jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com]
Does anyone know of a convenient place we can meet at 7:40 tonight, Tues night, if there is rain?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: Lil" Occupiers Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:57:50 AM
I was contacted by some guy who a) wants to help with supplies and b) is thinking of potentially bringing a crew around thanksgiving. He's a certified teacher/sociology grad. And he seems to be happy that we might be in it for the long haul. his email - indigo.journey.center@gmail.com his twitter is @indigojourney @OccupyWallSt what materials do they have available? Would a list of activities and games help? indigo.journey.center@gmail.com I am (unemployed) certified tchr turned Soc grad student. What can I do? virtual or bring a (previous) classroom of supplies w $ assist plz. I am in Colorado now. But can send ideas. pdf. and packages. awesome ideas! & I need semester research in SOC theory applied to Edu (; What is the winter plan? thinking of bringing a crew @ Thanksgiving. Too far, perhaps. Kids..."warm spot" indoor. avoid Health Dpt reg
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: Mass Arrests near Union Square Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:10:13 PM
They seem to have mostly targeted high visibility people. People who were very visible on the streams and all that. Probably figured they were leaders. They'll be disappointed. On Sep 24, 3:46 pm, Gabriel Johnson <gabj...@gmail.com> wrote: > http://gothamist.com/2011/09/24/video_five_more_arrested_on_8th_day.php > > what. the. heck. she is literally the last person i would have > expected them to arrest. > > --glj > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Amye R <amyeelizabe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Just got off the phone with someone at Union Square. Mass arrests at union > > square. People were kettled into the street and then arrested. Police > > brutality and injuries were involved. As of now police are still bringing in > > reinforcements.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Glenn Daniels Jr september17 [september17discuss] Re: Media Center Wednesday, September 21, 2011 7:48:20 PM
Thanks for all of the suggestions! I'll look into the locations ya'll mentioned. If you make any headway with the owners of the establishment feel free to shoot me an email or a tweet (@lemonsandkiwi) On Sep 20, 9:46 pm, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > There is also Hive at 55http://hiveat55.com/I may have an in there-- let > me know it is on 55 Broad which could be strategic. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:41 PM, <jemcgl...@verizon.net> wrote: > > I don't really know anything about the place but there is a little > > theatre called the 3LD Art & Technology Center, at 80 Greenwhich Str. I > > breifly spoke to someone there and they seemed receptive to our occupation. > > I can't get to the city right now, but if some else wanted to contact them > > it might be worth the try. (When I was there they were rehearsing a play on > > the sidewalk.) > > > On 09/20/11, Glenn Daniels Jr<glenndaniel...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hey guys. I was contacted by @danfitzsimmons who suggested setting up > > a center for media at one of the local businesses near Zuccotti. I > > think this is a brilliant idea. I'm not in New York now but my friend > > and I plan to make it back up this weekend to continue filming the > > occupation. Although I was able to post up a video using WiFi, it took > > several attempts after the internet connection failed again and again, > > so it is important that the media group has a stable location that can > > also be something of a safe haven from the NYPD. I would appreciate it > > if during the next General Assembly if someone could propose this idea > > or present it to the Media Working Group. > > > Additionally, I gave an announcement during the GA on Sunday about > > swapping emails and contact info so all those involved in making media > > could stay in touch. Unfortunately I had to leave before I could > > follow through with this. What is the status of the Media Working > > Group and can anyone give me the contact info of the person(s) > > spearheading these issues? > > > I also talked to several people about creating a possible YouTube > > channel where everyone's videos can be posted. "NYCRevolutionMedia" > > was one named that everyone liked. Or perhaps, creating one Tumblr > > account that can reblog all OccupyWallSt-related media so it can be > > present on one site. Have there been steps to create something like > > this?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Richard S. september17 [september17discuss] Re: OCCUPY WALL ST Labor WORKING GROUP Friday, September 23, 2011 12:57:41 AM
The calendar had said 6 am. Can I assume that is not correct? I thought it was odd, but I thought, considering so many people are staying all night, I guess it's possible. I seriously was considering heading out late tonight to get there at 6 am, because I'm on an odd schedule. (It might have been a way for me to get involved again, which I have not been lately.) I can't go at 6 pm because, right before I saw this notice, I arranged to do something else. BTW, I really kind of have drifted out of this, for various reasons, though I think the occupation in general is a very good thing. I hope you don't all mind that I'm still talking so much on the Google list, but it's difficult for me not to sometimes. :) Richard On Sep 22, 11:30 pm, "Jackie DiSalvo" <jdisa...@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > We are meeting again Friday 6PM at the bid red sculpture at the Broadway > entrance to Liberty Plaza. Our picketing at the Boathouse in Central Park > is off BECAUSE THEY JUST WON! > > Our agenda may include planning a program with trade unionists at the park. > > -> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "No Budget Cuts NY--Discussion" group. > To post to this group, send email to > no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion? hl=en.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gwomyn september17 [september17discuss] Re: Outreach Monday, September 19, 2011 11:38:58 AM
Also, for a street action, I thought it might be good to go around with a mobile phone, sharpies and paper and ask people to write down why they are the 99%, take their photo and send it to the wearethe99percent tumblr and cross post on all other media as well.... NYC natives are TOTALLY behind this in everyway as we have to deal with Wall Street types in every area of our lives and the people who work for those institutions are as douchy as the missions that they serve, and everyone you will meet on the street has an amazing story. It will really resonate with people across the country/world as well, who are all watching this intensely and supporting us with their hearts, minds, dreams, wishes, and hopes. If I can get a twitter list of people doing this and they just send the photos to their twitter streams I will take care of sending to the 99% tumblr so that they all wind up at the right place with minimal effort. -priscilla On Sep 19, 11:24 am, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > I wont be able to make a meeting today-- but I am down for anything during > the day during this week, just let me know. Also, any action at that > conference will be covered by all the internets as it is being held by > Mashable-- make it loud, peaceful and proud. > > mucho amor to all of you-priscilla > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:21 AM, MAd Hatter <progressivecha...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes. We need to do outreach... This looks good. > > Is anybody up for an outreach meeting later today? We need a flyer > > and we need to be talking to the 99%. > > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:05 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > What does the group think about going to this conference for outreach and > > > publicity to call people downtown?http://mashable.com/sgs/possible > > action > > > there since there are so many corporate sponsors?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gwomyn september17 [september17discuss] Re: Possible action site: Lincoln Center Wednesday night Monday, September 19, 2011 1:55:00 PM
and I could be there for this particular action, if it is peaceful, with my daughter. On Sep 19, 1:32 pm, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > Wednesday, September 21, 2011 > New York Philharmonic*: at Lincoln Center Plaza* > Opening Night Celebration of the 170th Season 6:00 pm. Cocktail reception, > and concert, followed by dinner. Black tie attire. Co-chaired by Daria > L. Foster, Kiara Silverstein,Larry Silverstein. Tickets from $1,500.00. > Tables from $15,000.00. Lincoln Center-Avery Fisher Hall. New York. > Contact: Courtney K. Ford. (212) 875-5757. > Event address: 10 Lincoln Center Plaza, New York. Sponsored by Breguet > Credit Suisse. > Event web address: nyphil.org/support/openingnight2011_gala.cfm. > > Sponsors and Chairs: > BNY Mellon > Credit Suisse > J. Christopher Flowers:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Christopher_Flowers > (I have done a lot of research on him, and though he is one of the people > who has profited so much from the financial system, having this so close to > him, ie: on his off time at an event, may bring his sympathies to become an > ally of sorts) > Daria L. Foster > Didi and Oscar Schafer > Klara and Larry A. Silverstein:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Silverstein (he is the developer > building the "freedom tower" for the benefit of corporate entities) > > I am also saving a document with these events, if there are one or two > people that would like access I can grant, but I don't feel good about > making this a public document.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Richard S. september17 [september17discuss] Re: Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:07:35 PM
The Union Square area is like a big shopping mall, and most of the people I've seen passing through the area in recent years, especially on weekends, looked relatively well off to me. The park itself is always so congested with people trying to push or peddle one thing or another, that almost all activities just get buried there, and it is such an everyday occurrence for some small group to be there shouting one thing or another, that unless you've got real numbers, you're more likely not to be noticed. On Sep 20, 11:33 am, Mellow Yellow <disorganiz...@gmail.com> wrote: > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity with > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might be more > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in the event > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more noted > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. Our > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical presence. > > Just my two cents. > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsing...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > > > > > But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target Wall > > St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It would be > > much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the encampment if > > we lost the connection to Wall St. > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow <disorganiz...@gmail.com>wrote: > > >> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is central > >> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up Broadway will > >> frustrate Police efforts to follow. > > >> See you oguys there as soon as I can > > >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto <matthew.pre...@gmail.com > >> > wrote: > > >>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that if was > >>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined by the > >>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as soon as > >>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. > > >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or Battery > >>>> Park? >
> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celli...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around 7am > >>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: Take a Census! Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:39:33 PM
No, count of sleepers seems to be 200-300 with a mid 20s median from the first reply I got. So I guess slight increase. The 500 was around 8 or 9 so was probably from earlier. I'll try to triangulate, honestly it's hard to do this at night. Also we got a rather stupid troll complaining about weird foreign musical instruments and hippies (the only instruments I've seen mentioned being a banjo >.> what is more american than a banjo) so sorry if it seems like I'm taking it out on you for the hippie thing. On Sep 20, 11:35 pm, Chuck Schumer <csr2...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks, Lauren. Sorry for the redundancy of tweeting and emailing (thanks > for responding over both media). Was the 500 count of sleepers? > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Lauren <celli...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I got 192 for yesterday and about 500 today. However I do agree with > > the gist, even if I personally think anyone who complains about > > hippies and was born after the 50s should stop acting like they're in > > the 60s as I doubt they've even ever seen hippies >.> > > > On Sep 20, 11:27 pm, Chuck Schumer <csr2...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hey Gang, > > > I think it is extremely important that we take a census of the > > occupation. > > > This should be done during the evening, when only sleepers remain (and > > the > > > numbers would be lowest, but most representative of the sustained > > > occupation). This should be AT LEAST a headcount, so we can track the > > > numbers. I recall seeing on twitter that Monday night there were 162 > > > sleepers. We need to know if this number is growing or not. > > > Ideally, that count could also include other basic demographics like age > > and > > > education. Knowing median age could help dispel the myth of the "college > > > hippie" and "young radical." Geographical origin would also be > > interesting > > > to know. > > > Cheers, solidarity, and see you on the streets! Slept out Saturday night, > > > visited Sunday and Monday, and I'll be back whenever I have a free > > moment.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: Take a Census! Wednesday, September 21, 2011 12:22:17 AM
And the Guitar in Egypt, the Zither in Greece, the Fiddle in Iran, it doesn't mean they're not an integral part of other cultures today as well is all I meant.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: Take a Census! Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:29:29 PM
I got 192 for yesterday and about 500 today. However I do agree with the gist, even if I personally think anyone who complains about hippies and was born after the 50s should stop acting like they're in the 60s as I doubt they've even ever seen hippies >.> On Sep 20, 11:27 pm, Chuck Schumer <csr2...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Gang, > I think it is extremely important that we take a census of the occupation. > This should be done during the evening, when only sleepers remain (and the > numbers would be lowest, but most representative of the sustained > occupation). This should be AT LEAST a headcount, so we can track the > numbers. I recall seeing on twitter that Monday night there were 162 > sleepers. We need to know if this number is growing or not. > Ideally, that count could also include other basic demographics like age and > education. Knowing median age could help dispel the myth of the "college > hippie" and "young radical." Geographical origin would also be interesting > to know. > Cheers, solidarity, and see you on the streets! Slept out Saturday night, > visited Sunday and Monday, and I'll be back whenever I have a free moment.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: Was contacted by Reverend Manny, re the arrests Tuesday, September 20, 2011 9:12:01 PM
THank you, I reviewed and added the NYPD statement with attribution. On Sep 20, 9:01 pm, gail zawacki <witsen...@gmail.com> wrote: > http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/ > > I asked the NYPD for a statement and that's what they sent me. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Lauren <celli...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The update I'm sending them (and the independent by extension) is > > simply a short factual statement, I'm posting it here just in case > > anyone has problems with it. > > > One person was arrested for using a loudspeaker, which the police > > claims was without permission, while another one was arrested > > regarding the tarps (which the NYPD claimed were tents after we were > > told tarps would be fine) and was also wounded during the arrest and > > needed medical attention.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: Was contacted by Reverend Manny, re the arrests Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:23:04 PM
Additionally they heard 2-3, and I'm unsure about the exact numbers as the three reports I had differ, I'm only sure it was at least 3. On Sep 20, 8:21 pm, Lauren <celli...@gmail.com> wrote: > The update I'm sending them (and the independent by extension) is > simply a short factual statement, I'm posting it here just in case > anyone has problems with it. > > One person was arrested for using a loudspeaker, which the police > claims was without permission, while another one was arrested > regarding the tarps (which the NYPD claimed were tents after we were > told tarps would be fine) and was also wounded during the arrest and > needed medical attention.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Richard S. september17 [september17discuss] Re: WNV video: #OccupyWallStreet begins, and improvises Sunday, September 18, 2011 6:43:54 PM
Nice video, Nathan. But I am not crazy about your description of the GA in the beginning as "a group of young activists in New York." Do you see the problem with this? I've sort of dropped out of the core organizing, but I was involved and I am going to be 50 soon. And I know there are several other people who have been to the organizing GAs, some who are very involved in this, who are older than I am. Of course, there are not enough older people, and that is one of the big problems here, because if this is perceived as being exclusively a youth group, that will certainly limit outreach. And it is not going to help if you publicly characterize the group as "young activists." One of the biggest problems I've had as an unemployed person seeking work is the ageism that is rampant in the "job market." It is unbelievable how blatant and ubiquitous this is. And I think a larger number of older people would be drawn to an oppositional movement or movement of resistance if that movement did not replicate such ageism in its own approach, language, self descriptions, etc., and actually even sought to address this particular problem. Richard On Sep 18, 10:55 am, Nathan Schneider <nat...@wagingnonviolence.org> wrote: > A bit of video from yesterday. Will try to fix the aspect ratio or > whatever you call it. Thanks to all who spoke with us! See you in a > few hours! > > http://wagingnonviolence.org/2011/09/occupywallstreet-begins-and-impr... > > Nathan > >> Nathan Schneider > Editor, Waging Nonviolencehttp://wagingnonviolence.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: WTC Workers Visit Liberty Square Today Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:36:03 AM
Seconded, I barely got wind of it. I know the union that staged a walkout earlier was the Cement League however. On Sep 22, 1:08 am, Will <william.russel...@gmail.com> wrote: > So reports are that there was a massive presence of construction > workers from the World Trade Center site who visited the occupation > today and lots of people talked with them and gave them flyers. This > is great, but I really hope that somebody felt it was important enough > to ask them what union(s) they were a part of. I also hope someone > had the foresight to get pictures on social media and this story out > the the media in general. The symbolic nature of this visit is huge, > and I haven't seen anything in any media or even anyone's fb about > it. Let's get this out there! > > Will
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17 [september17discuss] Report back from Labor Action this morning Thursday, September 22, 2011 2:03:32 PM
Sothebys Action Statement Labor Group Posted on September 22, 2011 by Nyccamp This morning activists involved in #OCCUPYWALLSTREET disrupted an art auction at Sothebys Art Auctions on the Upper East Side. Last year Sothebys made profits of $680 Million Dollars. Their CEO Bill Rupprecht awarded himself a 125% raise. At the same time Sothebys has decided to use union busting tactics, demanding over 100 concessions to the IBT 814 Art Handlers Union Contract. #OCCUPYWALLSTREET supporters are appalled at the persistent attack on workers rights. We support the right of the workers to collectively bargain. Sothebys wants all new hires to have no collective bargaining rights, no health benefits and no job security. After locking out their unionized work force, Sothebys continues to operate using scabs and a non-union subcontractor. Sothebys Art Auctions epitomize the disconnect of the extremely wealthy from the rest of us. Sothebys Art Auctions are a sanctuary for the financial elite; where hedge fund managers & wealthy bankers bid millions of dollars for art objects; while the rest of us struggle to put food on the table because of their actions. These are the same financial elites who were bailed out in their moment of need and now refuse to pay their fair share in taxes. Many of these Hedge Fund Managers still pay a smaller tax rate than the rest of us. That is our money! End the greed & expose the disconnect! #OCCUPYWALLSTREET supporters call on the 99% to raid the sanctuaries of the financial elite; to conduct non-violent civil disobedience in the country clubs, luxury shops, and private resorts where the Financial Elite gather; and to show that WE WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE BUSINESS AS USUAL.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Rock promoter offering bands for saturday Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:17:28 AM
A friend of mine who is a local rock promoter has a few bands he will offer up to play for free on Saturday if there is a legal permitted space with a stage... let me know. Luv and mucho besos to all of you incredible people On Sep 21, 2011 8:37 AM, "Harrison Schultz" <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: > Report from Bill "Rad/Left" Csapo: > > Beautiful news from Vermont - Expect and prepare for reinforcements from > Vermont. They are bringing in musicians in and they want to keep them > constantly playing. We've had an offer from Tom Pvasilis he owns commercial > type bakeries in NYC he has a 25,000 square foot kitchen, an anarchist > collective of 250 volunteers, an air refrigerated truck to keep food, > hot/cold, and allegedly a lot of cash he wants to donate to keeping the > protesters at Liberty square fed. Tom McCoy, presumably of Vermont say's > we're inspiring people all over the country to take action. > > We'll someone please relay this message to Chris on the food Committee and > have him contact Bill "Rad/Left" Csapo ASAP!!! > > 423 650 1398 > bill@occupywallst.org > wcsapo@gmail.com > > I say we kick this up a notch comrades!!! > > Love and Rage, > > Harrison
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Presto september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Rosh Hashanah? Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:01:44 AM
Hey all, In yet another effort to make the space more inclusive, perhaps some time next week (Wednesday night through Friday) there could be some Rosh Hashanah related things. I hate to ask the food committee to do anything since they're already overwhelmed (and doing a fantastic job might I add!), but maybe getting apples and honey is a possibility? I don't celebrate Rosh Hashanah and am not Jewish, so I don't know a whole lot about what could take place at the occupation, but just throwing it out there... Matt
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 4:02:09 AM
NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around 7am using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17 [september17discuss] Saturday 12pm Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:58:42 PM
Can folks please promote our We are the 99% day on the websites, twitter, etc. Saturday 12pm.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Drew Hornbein september17 [september17discuss] some comments Friday, September 23, 2011 5:03:44 AM
From the web site, who we are page:

This has great potential because it has great legitimacy and the anti wall st. message resonates among many. I wish your website was more friendly to a diverse audience. Four people have been arrested so far isnt the most welcoming way to introduce your cause. Also, some of the language here sounds almost militant. I really think theres a lot of potential here and urge you to broaden your base of support with a website that does more to explain your cause rather than rally those who are on the more extreme side of the issue. Thanks for everything, Gods speed! I applaud all of the young idealists that have slept on outside and risked arrest to attempt to solidify a youth movement to eliminate the corruption that controls our federal government. It is hard to organize so many people around a common cause, but listing the demands, once they are decided upon as much, and in as many places as possible is important. I would like to see a third party come out of this. That, though, would require that a leader exist. Keep trying to hone in on the one demand. It should speak to the aspirations and future desires of the youth for this country. Recognize that the nation is behind you. We need young progressive leaders!!!!! At some point the reality that the system needs to exist will kick in in and then the question will be whats next? I for one am going to attempt to start as much trouble as possible in my local democratic caucus come april. Just imagine what could happen if the youth took over the financial resources, and organization of the democratic party?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Vicente Rubio september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Suggestions for media Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:54:31 AM
Hi, these are two simple suggestion for the media people. I would have done them by myself if I knew how to do it and have the necessary material, but I don't, so I throw the idea here just in case someone finds it useful. I offer any help I can to whoever is interested in doing this. music video Do you remember Saturday's assembly, when someone started to sing Journey's "Don't stop believing"? Everyone there started singing. It may sound not very "radical", but it was probably my favorite moment of that night (and there were plenty of them!). Very nice, warm and funny moment. Why don't edit a video using that song? We could use lots of footage of the assemblies, and even some frames of participants singing to the camera. Whatever works. I know. The song is cheesy. That's precisely a strong part of its power. It has a meaning for the Liberty Plaza community, but also is a famous song (a subtle, powerful depiction of the american working class everyday life) and contains an encouraging message. Really good for a viral! Journey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfUYuIVbFg0 Glee http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWMYGLxSWPM (I personally prefer the original by Journey. Glee's is maybe more popular now, but Journey's retains the working class element) slideshow In Barcelona they use to have a gallery of photos of participants. They are amazing, precisely because they show the enormous diversity among the people there. Here is a slideshow: http://www.flickr.com/photos/63055421@N04/sets/72157626783708762/show/with/5748872448/ Would it be possible to arrange a similar gallery?Just having a photographer taking such portraits at different times of the day. In doing so, we can try to communicate the existing diversity of the movement we want to build. This could be posted to the NYCGA blog. What do you think? You all must be exhausted. Just let me know if there's anybody interested.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Chuck Schumer september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Take a Census! Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:27:13 PM
Hey Gang, I think it is extremely important that we take a census of the occupation. This should be done during the evening, when only sleepers remain (and the numbers would be lowest, but most representative of the sustained occupation). This should be AT LEAST a headcount, so we can track the numbers. I recall seeing on twitter that Monday night there were 162 sleepers. We need to know if this number is growing or not. Ideally, that count could also include other basic demographics like age and education. Knowing median age could help dispel the myth of the "college hippie" and "young radical." Geographical origin would also be interesting to know. Cheers, solidarity, and see you on the streets! Slept out Saturday night, visited Sunday and Monday, and I'll be back whenever I have a free moment.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Tomorrow night Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:12:59 PM
Reminder The great Ivan Marovic, from Otpor, will head to #occupywallstreet at 8:30pm tomorrow, Thursday! http://t.co/lLaXviNP Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Conor Toms Reed september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Troy Davis" execution set for tomorrow: EMERGENCY NYC DEMONSTRATION TODAY AT LIBERTY PLAZA Tuesday, September 20, 2011 9:27:56 AM
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Tuesday, SEPTEMBER 20TH 4:30 6:00 ZUCOTTI PARK -- ALSO KNOWN AS LIBERTY PLAZA DOWNTOWN MANHATTAN, BROADWAY & LIBERTY
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On Monday the Georgia State Parole and Pardons Board delayed their decision on Troy Davis' death sentence until Tuesday -- one day before his execution date. Today Davis was denied clemency. Zucotti Park is the site of the Occupy Wall Street encampment, a protest against Wall Street's war on the poor. The state of Georgia is going ahead with its plans to kill Troy Davis, come to Zucotti Park! For more information, call 212-633-6646, or 347-602-1584
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Twitter feed Sunday, September 18, 2011 3:31:42 PM
Hi all, Traffic on @occupywallstnyc is getting to be too much for me. (almost 5,000 followers now and dozens of dm's) If u can help cotweet w me, see Justin at camp. Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Was contacted by Reverend Manny, re the arrests Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:21:25 PM
The update I'm sending them (and the independent by extension) is simply a short factual statement, I'm posting it here just in case anyone has problems with it. One person was arrested for using a loudspeaker, which the police claims was without permission, while another one was arrested regarding the tarps (which the NYPD claimed were tents after we were told tarps would be fine) and was also wounded during the arrest and needed medical attention.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Kelley september17 [september17discuss] We are Getting Great Shoutouts on NY1 "The Call" Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:21:18 PM
It's happening right now. If you have the ability, tweet, email, or call in do it now. We are all outreach!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] We need tarps. Monday, September 19, 2011 2:50:22 PM
Just like the big banks needed them in 2008 to keep going, the occupation of Wall Street needs some TARPs. (Apologies for that; the pun works better spoken.) We've had great weather (well, except for the cold at night), but it is forecast to maybe rain Tuesday through the end of the week [http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php? CityName=New+York&state=NY&site=OKX&textField1=40.7198&textField2=-73.993&e=1]; if I had to guess, it will be on-and-off drizzles with periodic heavier stuff. We have electronics and people (awake and asleep) that need shielding from the water, and last I checked (earlier this morning, not there now) we didn't have that much in the way of protection. Has that changed? Any more thoughts, ideas? --glj
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Nathan Schneider september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] WNV video: #OccupyWallStreet begins, and improvises Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:55:28 AM
A bit of video from yesterday. Will try to fix the aspect ratio or whatever you call it. Thanks to all who spoke with us! See you in a few hours! http://wagingnonviolence.org/2011/09/occupywallstreet-begins-and-improvises/ Nathan Nathan Schneider Editor, Waging Nonviolence http://wagingnonviolence.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] WTC Workers Visit Liberty Square Today Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:39:52 PM
The World Trade Center workers from various construction unions always come to the park on their lunch hour; they did not necessarily come to see us. I've been talking to them about their unions all week; they are very receptive to our message. It's great that other people engaged them Thursday. We need a labor oriented flyer, which the Labor Working Group can create, on why occupy wall street supports labor and why trade unionists should support occupy wall street. -----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Will Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:46 AM To: september17 Subject: [september17discuss] Re: WTC Workers Visit Liberty Square Today Great Lauren, Sorry I missed your comment before. Hopefully they'll stop by again so we can talk to them more about this. Who has pictures from Wednesday? On Sep 22, 1:35 am, Lauren <celli...@gmail.com> wrote: > Seconded, I barely got wind of it. I know the union that staged a > walkout earlier was the Cement League however. > > On Sep 22, 1:08 am, Will <william.russel...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > So reports are that there was a massive presence of construction > > workers from the World Trade Center site who visited the occupation > > today and lots of people talked with them and gave them flyers. This > > is great, but I really hope that somebody felt it was important enough > > to ask them what union(s) they were a part of. I also hope someone > > had the foresight to get pictures on social media and this story out > > the the media in general. The symbolic nature of this visit is huge, > > and I haven't seen anything in any media or even anyone's fb about > > it. Let's get this out there! > > > Will
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Harrison Schultz september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] YouTube Status? Thursday, September 22, 2011 2:43:53 PM
Hey Gang, I forgot to mention that one of my youtube clips of Reverend Billy's preaching on the 17th has blown up. Google has invited me to monetize my clips. Moreover, my boss, from a publicly traded marketing company who thinks we've all done a killer job, has offered to help me learn how to use adsense to make some cash for the occupation. Does anyone know if a central YouTube channel has been built for this? In solidarity, Harrison
globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of Andrew globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com Call for Arts and Culture Idea-bits!! Sunday, September 18, 2011 4:14:06 AM
Hi all, Upon reading Alexandre's treatment for "Bull" attitude scene ideas, I propose everyone submit one tiny idea like the one below, in as little as one sentence. Also @the Arts and Culture (A&C) meeting and on the drive there, we mentally illustrated a uniquely loving and creative protest, and I also feel that we have an opportunity to grow the integrity of who ever we are...Global Revolution...GA...many beautiful sites, by diverting our coverage of protesters using oppressive language. That being said, my scene ideas will relate to the following: Gender bending/breaking the gender binary Sexual liberation (non oppressive) Human bliss and expression (tight shots of a dancer's expressive face, or any performer, and interviews with all performers, and anyone with any aspiration to posess intellect. When there's no action, since I've read on anti-oppression and anti-hierarchy, but not without anti-authoritarianism and egalitarianism, I'm going to move my mouth in front of the camera to add context, and call on my fellows to do the same. There is an arts and culture schedule just out. I'll use it to know what to shoot, some of which could be done with up to 3 cameras at a time for one event, so that the editor can inter-cut. I'll be shooting/editing/hosting. Please spread the schedule around. I also have a personal content stream I'll be shooting for some of the time called The Human Channel. If everyone starts thinking about their own content streams (website, wordpress, utube, vimeo) so that you can put up the video you shoot and anyone else's who allows you to. Anyone wanting to join me after the event with The Human Channel or otherwise, please do, I'll be cutting and planning more shoots next week and I can train anyone in any area of cinema/production. Tell anyone in the press about this and hmm...who knows anyone at adbusters? I'll see you all tonight at 288 atlantic, starting w/the media mtg at 5, I'll be there around 7 or 8. Write down new people you meet's email addresses interested in arts+culture, or media listserve. Love, Andrew P.s. Also share the occupy ws orientation guide wallstreet on the occupy facebook page from www.occupywallST.org I believe? Don't forget the schedule at www.spontaneousautonomouscreativity.wordpress.com Live streaming at www.livestream.com/globalrevolution
globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of Drew Hornbein globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com Fwd: Democracy Now! reports on "Occupy Wall Street" protests in NYC Monday, September 19, 2011 1:06:54 PM
---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Anton Woronczuk <anton.woronczuk@democracynow.org> Date: Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:56 AM Subject: Democracy Now! reports on "Occupy Wall Street" protests in NYC To: jessica@democracynow.org Good afternoon, I am writing to you because I thought you would be interested in an recent Democracy Now! report on the "Occupy Wall Street" protests in NYC. We also get a live update from the streets from Nathan Schneider, editor of the blog "Waging Nonviolence," and speak with David Graeber, an anthropologist who participated in the activities. When you have a chance, please take a moment to watch the report. Inspired by the massive public protests in Cairo?s Tahrir Square and Madrid?s Puerta del Sol Square, hundreds have slept outside near Wall Street for the past two nights and it is now entering its third day. If you decide to write about this topic, it would be great if you could include a link to the interview. I have listed the embed code if you would like to post the video of the interview. A complete transcript will be available online soon. Thank you so much for your consideration. My Best, Anton Woronczuk Social Media and Online Outreach Intern Democracy Now! --?Occupy Wall Street?: Thousands March in NYC Financial District, Set Up Protest Encampment LINK: http://www.democracynow.org/2011/9/19/occupy_wall_street_thousands_march_in DEMOCRACY NOW! VIDEO EMBED CODE: <script type="text/javascript" src="http://www.democracynow.org/embed_show_v2/500/2011/9/ 19/story/occupy_wall_street_thousands_march_in"></script> --Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
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honey Thomas Ryan Fwd: Introductions of Team Members Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:44:37 PM
---------- Forwarded message ---------From: honey <honloley@gmail.com> Date: Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:00 PM Subject: Introductions of Team Members To: KillaBeeZ-ctf <killabeez-ctf@googlegroups.com> Hey Ladies!!! So how about a brief intro for yourself to the other team members? I will give a brief into for the other members of the team: [in no specific order] 1) I'm Honey (Carrie Schaper) this is my second CTF, I'm a grad student at NYU-poly, and I work for the City of New York, as a Security Analyst. (NY) 2) Jamie Levy, a.k.a Gleeda is my friend/mentor, she is a forensic, reverser, malware Queen (NY) 3) Cassandra Dunlop, Cassy is a graduate CS student at Stevens, who kicks ass and takes names at Stevens! (NY) 4) Leigh Honeywell, a.k.a Hypatia, is completely awesome, she ran the Uoft iCTF teams last year, (Toronto) 5) Danielle Davis, a.k.a. LadyNikon she's an op on 2600, and just recently got a new App Sec job, woohoo go LadY! (MD) 6) Erye Hernandez, Erye!! remember i said this is my second CTF? Erye here was on the winning team of the FIRST CTF I competed in, in August, @ UCCC. Nice one Erye!! (MD) 7) Fabie von Cappel is some seriously awesome highly recommended Army Intel sweetness, who is going to be helping us out all the way from IraQ! Ty Fabie!! 8) Beckie Mossman a.k.a sunsh1ne is a Defcon goon and Army Veteran, and does info sec for the banking industry, sweetness!! 9) Kelly Lum a.k.a aloria a remarkable application security awesomeness who is badass and has props from just about everybody, she does Application Security for the financial industry. There are some other Ladies who for whatever reason couldn't join our
team but wish ALL OF US luck! They are expecting to see us kick ass and succeed, so let's do our best! Shout out to Jax, who can't join our team cuz she is in Africa, B9Punk, Haze, and Amber, who says she would love to see a chix0r team represent! Let's not let them down!
honey Thomas Ryan Fwd: Toolz Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:31:21 PM
---------- Forwarded message ---------From: honey <honloley@gmail.com> Date: Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:36 PM Subject: Toolz To: KillaBeeZ-ctf <killabeez-ctf@googlegroups.com> Here is a list of tools and some practice information. Please contribute to this list as you see fit and information that will help other people practice. Recommended Operating System: ========================== Please download and install Backtrack5 into a VM http://www.backtrack-linux.org/downloads/http://www.backtracklinux.org/downloads/ ****A lot of the tools u will need are on BT5, so then you don't have to download them***** Reversing: ========== IDA PRO, OLYDgb, Volatility (all on BT5) I found two videos from past CSAW CTFs for Reversing Please watch them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koek_42M1Mg and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ld1cD9d7tI **** This is one of the judges for this year too. here is the write up of what this challenge was year**** http://translate.google.com/translate? hl=en&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.nibbles.fr%2F2162%2F Exploitation: ========== Please read this writeup of last years exploitation challenge: http://translate.google.com/translate? hl=en&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.nibbles.fr%2F2162%2F Tools: netcat, oLyDgb/Ida Pro some shell code in perl/python Forensics: =========
Please read this write up from last year's challenge: http://translate.google.com/translate? hl=en&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.nibbles.fr%2F2192%2F Tools: Sluethkit, foremost, steghide, md5sum, hexdump Crypto: ====== Please read this write up from last year: http://blog.gdssecurity.com/labs/2010/10/6/crypto-challenges-at-the-csaw-2010application-ctf-qualifyin.html and http://securityblackswan.blogspot.com/2010/10/csaw-ctf-crypto-writeup-crypto1crypto3.html Tools: Padbuster http://blog.gdssecurity.com/labs/2010/9/14/automated-padding-oracle-attacks-withpadbuster.html Burp: download from: http://portswigger.net/burp/downloadfree.html Test your skills by using webgoat: http://code.google.com/p/webgoat/downloads/listFuzzing: Reference: https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_WebGoat_Project
Other Tools: ========== Telephony/PBx/VoIP: =============== SipVicious There a bunch of tools in BT5 notable port numbers: 4569 5060 5061 SQLInjection: =========== sqlmap {on BT5} http://sqlmap.sourceforge.net/doc/README.html sqlninja {on BT5} http://sqlninja.sourceforge.net/sqlninja-howto.html
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] #OccupyWallStreet stays alive by becoming #WeAreThe99 Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:09:40 AM
Yes, thanks! Let's make it #Wearethe99. I'm in Philly working until Friday, would anyone propose this at the GA tomorrow? On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:59 PM, grimwomyn wrote: unfortunately, the % doesnt work as a proper hashtag, what about a slight edit to #wearethe99 On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote:
Dear friends,
It looks like #OccupyWallStreet is in urgent need of a massive and targeted outreach operation to stay alive. The key to the success of the movement is to be inclusive. Right now the movement is too homogeneous, due to the "activist" imaginary and language identified with it (example: the word "occupy", the images of stereotypical activists used by Adbusters, etc). If we really want to start a massive movement like the ones in Egypt, Iceland, Spain, Greece, etc, we should change those referents. If we don't act quickly the movement will vanish, and it would have been just another activist movement. I propose that we start today a fast and massive outreach campaign with this idea: #WeAreThe99%. This is the plan: we put all our energy and resources in outreaching for the #WeAreThe99% Day which will happen next Saturday 23rd, at our space in Zucotti/Liberty Park. We propose tomorrow at the assembly: everyone form groups and march right now to different spots in the city (squares, neighborhoods, universities, labor unions) with signs, fliers, and a clear message: "Political parties govern in the name of the 1% that control almost all financial wealth. We are the 99%." "We have taken a space at the heart of Wall Street to start changing this situation. Join us at Zucotti/Liberty Park on Saturday September 23rd for the We Are The 99% Day. Stay with us."
What do you think? We have a lot of attention in the internet and even mainstream media, let's use it now before it's gone! Let's create a really inclusive and massive movement, let's go beyond traditional identities, let's become a real multitude!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] #OccupyWallStreet stays alive by becoming #WeAreThe99 Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:42:04 AM
@Dough: thanks for your comments, I agree that links with communities and organizations is the way to make the movement more inclusive. That's the way it all began in Spain: a new platform called "Democracia Real Ya!" spent months preparing the May 15th demonstration by contacting many organizations and communities affected by the economical "crisis" (housing, students, unemployed, etc...). They succeeded because everyone felt welcome in that new and open platform. @Nico: thanks! please let me know if you're able to mention it at the assembly and what are the reactions. I think we should incorporate Doug's idea, and instead of proposing street fliers propose contact with organizations and communities (still don't discard that this contact happens by physically going to places) @Ryan: I agree with you, I don't think inequality can be changed just by taxing. But I don't see why "We the 99%" has to imply that necessarily... On Sep 20, 2011, at 7:38 AM, Ryan David Acuff wrote: I don't fully get the 99% bit. 99% of what? Is the implication that the people making $250,000 a year are somehow exploited by those who make $350,000 a year? If that's the central message, I think it majorly lacks a class analysis. It's certainly useful to give percentages to demonstrate massive inequality, but it seems to also imply that the solution is to redistribute the wealth, not change system that creates the inequalities in the first place. I don't think you can tax away capitalism. I believe we need to democratize the economy. I think the 99% piece sounds inclusive, but weak as THE central message. but if I'm missing something let me know. As for rewriting the constitution, perhaps the group could draft a principles of unity that would be general enough and on still on target enough to be adopted by the GA. Ryan On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:03 AM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: yeah, agreed. perhaps it was a bit overreaching, the constitution bit. i still stand behind luis's idea though, and I hope someone will be able to raise it at the GA tomorrow. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't know if that's what happened in Spain, but it seems a little > premature and grandiose to be drafting a constitution at this point, given
> that there are only a few hundred people occupying a small park in a single > city. Rather than trying to create a new society on such a miniscule basis, > our time might be better spent finding ways to connect with the everyday, > practical concerns of people facing the loss of their jobs, health care, > housing, retirement, quality education for their children, etc. In order to > have any shot at creating a new society, we need a LOT more people on board > than we have now (either in Zucotti Park specifically or in the movement as > a whole), and raising demands that connect with peoples' daily lives is the > best way to expand from a small, insular group of activists to a broad > movement - and that's the spirit that I understood Luis's proposal to be > made in. > > Doug > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:42 AM, NicolasMoselleAllen > <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> If I arrive in time tomorrow I will try to propose it at the General >> Assembly. When are they planning on holding the GA? >> >> I also plan on making a proposal that I think would be compatible with >> the image "rebranding" proposal: that we attempt to reframe our >> communication with the world by drafting a Constitution, a set of >> common values that could represent us and the society that we as a >> movement are trying to model-forth, rather than proposing "Demands" as >> we've been calling them. It's my understanding that this is what >> happened in Spain, with considerable success. >> >> OK! >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Luis Moreno-Caballud >> <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >> > Yes, thanks! Let's make it #Wearethe99. >> > I'm in Philly working until Friday, would anyone propose this at the GA >> > tomorrow? >> > >> > On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:59 PM, grimwomyn wrote: >> > >> > unfortunately, the % doesnt work as a proper hashtag, what
about a >> > slight >> > edit to #wearethe99 >> > >> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud >> > <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >> >> >> >> Dear friends, >> >> It looks like #OccupyWallStreet is in urgent need of a massive and >> >> targeted outreach operation to stay alive. The key to the success of >> >> the >> >> movement is to be inclusive. Right now the movement is too homogeneous, >> >> due >> >> to the "activist" imaginary and language identified with it (example: >> >> the >> >> word "occupy", the images of stereotypical activists used by Adbusters, >> >> etc). >> >> If we really want to start a massive movement like the ones in Egypt, >> >> Iceland, Spain, Greece, etc, we should change those referents. If we >> >> don't >> >> act quickly the movement will vanish, and it would have been just >> >> another >> >> activist movement. I propose that we start today a fast and massive >> >> outreach >> >> campaign with this idea: #WeAreThe99%. >> >> This is the plan: we put all our energy and resources in outreaching >> >> for >> >> the #WeAreThe99% Day which will happen next Saturday 23rd, at our space >> >> in >> >> Zucotti/Liberty Park. We propose tomorrow at the assembly: everyone >> >> form >> >> groups and march right now to different spots in the city (squares, >> >> neighborhoods, universities, labor unions) with signs, fliers, and a >> >> clear >> >> message: >> >> "Political parties govern in the name of the 1% that control almost all >> >> financial wealth. We are the 99%." >> >> "We have taken a space at the heart of Wall Street to start
changing >> >> this >> >> situation. Join us at Zucotti/Liberty Park on Saturday September 23rd >> >> for >> >> the We Are The 99% Day. Stay with us." >> >> What do you think? We have a lot of attention in the internet and even >> >> mainstream media, let's use it now before it's gone! Let's create a >> >> really >> >> inclusive and massive movement, let's go beyond traditional identities, >> >> let's become a real multitude! >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Alexa D. O"Brien september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] #OccupyWallStreet stays alive by becoming #WeAreThe99 Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:46:16 AM
No man becomes a tyrant to get out of the cold. Stick to process and it will include everyone. Any solution that is founded on "correct understanding" will not last past one generation. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Ryan David Acuff <racuff@gmail.com> wrote: I don't fully get the 99% bit. 99% of what? Is the implication that the people making $250,000 a year are somehow exploited by those who make $350,000 a year? If that's the central message, I think it majorly lacks a class analysis. It's certainly useful to give percentages to demonstrate massive inequality, but it seems to also imply that the solution is to redistribute the wealth, not change system that creates the inequalities in the first place. I don't think you can tax away capitalism. I believe we need to democratize the economy. I think the 99% piece sounds inclusive, but weak as THE central message. but if I'm missing something let me know. As for rewriting the constitution, perhaps the group could draft a principles of unity that would be general enough and on still on target enough to be adopted by the GA. Ryan On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:03 AM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: yeah, agreed. perhaps it was a bit overreaching, the constitution bit. i still stand behind luis's idea though, and I hope someone will be able to raise it at the GA tomorrow. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't know if that's what happened in Spain, but it seems a little > premature and grandiose to be drafting a constitution at this point, given > that there are only a few hundred people occupying a small park in a single > city. Rather than trying to create a new society on such a miniscule basis, > our time might be better spent finding ways to connect with the everyday, > practical concerns of people facing the loss of their jobs, health care, > housing, retirement, quality education for their children, etc. In order to > have any shot at creating a new society, we need a LOT more people on board > than we have now (either in Zucotti Park specifically or in the movement as > a whole), and raising demands that connect with peoples' daily lives is the > best way to expand from a small, insular group of activists to a broad > movement - and that's the spirit that I understood Luis's proposal to be > made in. > > Doug > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:42 AM, NicolasMoselleAllen
> <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> If I arrive in time tomorrow I will try to propose it at the General >> Assembly. When are they planning on holding the GA? >> >> I also plan on making a proposal that I think would be compatible with >> the image "rebranding" proposal: that we attempt to reframe our >> communication with the world by drafting a Constitution, a set of >> common values that could represent us and the society that we as a >> movement are trying to model-forth, rather than proposing "Demands" as >> we've been calling them. It's my understanding that this is what >> happened in Spain, with considerable success. >> >> OK! >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Luis Moreno-Caballud >> <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >> > Yes, thanks! Let's make it #Wearethe99. >> > I'm in Philly working until Friday, would anyone propose this at the GA >> > tomorrow? >> > >> > On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:59 PM, grimwomyn wrote: >> > >> > unfortunately, the % doesnt work as a proper hashtag, what about a >> > slight >> > edit to #wearethe99 >> > >> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud >> > <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >> >> >> >> Dear friends, >> >> It looks like #OccupyWallStreet is in urgent need of a massive and >> >> targeted outreach operation to stay alive. The key to the success of >> >> the >> >> movement is to be inclusive. Right now the movement is too homogeneous, >> >> due >> >> to the "activist" imaginary and language identified with it (example: >> >> the >> >> word "occupy", the images of stereotypical activists used by Adbusters, >> >> etc). >> >> If we really want to start a massive movement like the ones in Egypt, >> >> Iceland, Spain, Greece, etc, we should change those referents. If we >> >> don't >> >> act quickly the movement will vanish, and it would have been just >> >> another >> >> activist movement. I propose that we start today a fast and massive >> >> outreach >> >> campaign with this idea: #WeAreThe99%. >> >> This is the plan: we put all our energy and resources in outreaching >> >> for >> >> the #WeAreThe99% Day which will happen next Saturday 23rd, at our space
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >
in Zucotti/Liberty Park. We propose tomorrow at the assembly: everyone form groups and march right now to different spots in the city (squares, neighborhoods, universities, labor unions) with signs, fliers, and a clear message: "Political parties govern in the name of the 1% that control almost all financial wealth. We are the 99%." "We have taken a space at the heart of Wall Street to start changing this situation. Join us at Zucotti/Liberty Park on Saturday September 23rd for the We Are The 99% Day. Stay with us." What do you think? We have a lot of attention in the internet and even mainstream media, let's use it now before it's gone! Let's create a really inclusive and massive movement, let's go beyond traditional identities, let's become a real multitude!
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Ryan David Acuff september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] #OccupyWallStreet stays alive by becoming #WeAreThe99 Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:38:30 AM
I don't fully get the 99% bit. 99% of what? Is the implication that the people making $250,000 a year are somehow exploited by those who make $350,000 a year? If that's the central message, I think it majorly lacks a class analysis. It's certainly useful to give percentages to demonstrate massive inequality, but it seems to also imply that the solution is to redistribute the wealth, not change system that creates the inequalities in the first place. I don't think you can tax away capitalism. I believe we need to democratize the economy. I think the 99% piece sounds inclusive, but weak as THE central message. but if I'm missing something let me know. As for rewriting the constitution, perhaps the group could draft a principles of unity that would be general enough and on still on target enough to be adopted by the GA. Ryan On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:03 AM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: yeah, agreed. perhaps it was a bit overreaching, the constitution bit. i still stand behind luis's idea though, and I hope someone will be able to raise it at the GA tomorrow. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't know if that's what happened in Spain, but it seems a little > premature and grandiose to be drafting a constitution at this point, given > that there are only a few hundred people occupying a small park in a single > city. Rather than trying to create a new society on such a miniscule basis, > our time might be better spent finding ways to connect with the everyday, > practical concerns of people facing the loss of their jobs, health care, > housing, retirement, quality education for their children, etc. In order to > have any shot at creating a new society, we need a LOT more people on board > than we have now (either in Zucotti Park specifically or in the movement as > a whole), and raising demands that connect with peoples' daily lives is the > best way to expand from a small, insular group of activists to a broad > movement - and that's the spirit that I understood Luis's proposal to be > made in. > > Doug > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:42 AM, NicolasMoselleAllen > <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> If I arrive in time tomorrow I will try to propose it at the General >> Assembly. When are they planning on holding the GA? >> >> I also plan on making a proposal that I think would be compatible with
>> the image "rebranding" proposal: that we attempt to reframe our >> communication with the world by drafting a Constitution, a set of >> common values that could represent us and the society that we as a >> movement are trying to model-forth, rather than proposing "Demands" as >> we've been calling them. It's my understanding that this is what >> happened in Spain, with considerable success. >> >> OK! >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Luis Moreno-Caballud >> <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >> > Yes, thanks! Let's make it #Wearethe99. >> > I'm in Philly working until Friday, would anyone propose this at the GA >> > tomorrow? >> > >> > On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:59 PM, grimwomyn wrote: >> > >> > unfortunately, the % doesnt work as a proper hashtag, what about a >> > slight >> > edit to #wearethe99 >> > >> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud >> > <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >> >> >> >> Dear friends, >> >> It looks like #OccupyWallStreet is in urgent need of a massive and >> >> targeted outreach operation to stay alive. The key to the success of >> >> the >> >> movement is to be inclusive. Right now the movement is too homogeneous, >> >> due >> >> to the "activist" imaginary and language identified with it (example: >> >> the >> >> word "occupy", the images of stereotypical activists used by Adbusters, >> >> etc). >> >> If we really want to start a massive movement like the ones in Egypt, >> >> Iceland, Spain, Greece, etc, we should change those referents. If we >> >> don't >> >> act quickly the movement will vanish, and it would have been just >> >> another >> >> activist movement. I propose that we start today a fast and massive >> >> outreach >> >> campaign with this idea: #WeAreThe99%. >> >> This is the plan: we put all our energy and resources in outreaching >> >> for >> >> the #WeAreThe99% Day which will happen next Saturday 23rd, at our space >> >> in >> >> Zucotti/Liberty Park. We propose tomorrow at the assembly: everyone >> >> form >> >> groups and march right now to different spots in the city (squares, >> >> neighborhoods, universities, labor unions) with signs, fliers, and a >> >> clear
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
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message: "Political parties govern in the name of the 1% that control almost all financial wealth. We are the 99%." "We have taken a space at the heart of Wall Street to start changing this situation. Join us at Zucotti/Liberty Park on Saturday September 23rd for the We Are The 99% Day. Stay with us." What do you think? We have a lot of attention in the internet and even mainstream media, let's use it now before it's gone! Let's create a really inclusive and massive movement, let's go beyond traditional identities, let's become a real multitude!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com Begonia Santa-Cecilia; Winter Siroco; Vicente Rubio; Angel Luis Lara Re: [september17discuss] #OccupyWallStreet stays alive by becoming #WeAreThe99% Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:19:02 AM
What she just said about the hashtag. Also, idea for Wednesday: Presumably, we're gonna be marching up Wall Street every weekday morning like we did Monday, right? So to sort of inject some variety into things, maybe on Wednesday we have everyone do our regular thing, chanting and marching, but in whispers instead (Whisper Wednesdays!) I was trying to think of some symbolism of "we certainly don't want to disrupt your Very Important Business, Messrs. Banker Men" or "whispering for those of the 99 percent who can contribute nothing more than a whisper," but frankly the fact is that it's a lot more head-turning, difficult to dismiss, and unsettling than the regular "angry protesters screaming" thing. I would float this around camp, but I won't be able to make it back until relatively late Tuesday evening, so maybe y'all on this list can if you think it's a good idea? Thoughts, opinions? --glj On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:59 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > unfortunately, the % doesnt work as a proper hashtag, what about a slight > edit to #wearethe99 > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud > <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >> >> Dear friends, >> It looks like #OccupyWallStreet is in urgent need of a massive and >> targeted outreach operation to stay alive. The key to the success of the >> movement is to be inclusive. Right now the movement is too homogeneous, due >> to the "activist" imaginary and language identified with it (example: the >> word "occupy", the images of stereotypical activists used by Adbusters, >> etc). >> If we really want to start a massive movement like the ones in Egypt, >> Iceland, Spain, Greece, etc, we should change those referents. If we don't >> act quickly the movement will vanish, and it would have been just another >> activist movement. I propose that we start today a fast and massive outreach >> campaign with this idea: #WeAreThe99%. >> This is the plan: we put all our energy and resources in outreaching for >> the #WeAreThe99% Day which will happen next Saturday 23rd, at our space in >> Zucotti/Liberty Park. We propose tomorrow at the assembly: everyone form >> groups and march right now to different spots in the city (squares, >> neighborhoods, universities, labor unions) with signs, fliers, and a clear >> message: >> "Political parties govern in the name of the 1% that control almost all >> financial wealth. We are the 99%." >> "We have taken a space at the heart of Wall Street to start changing this >> situation. Join us at Zucotti/Liberty Park on Saturday September 23rd for >> the We Are The 99% Day. Stay with us." >> What do you think? We have a lot of attention in the internet and even >> mainstream media, let's use it now before it's gone! Let's create a really
>> inclusive and massive movement, let's go beyond traditional identities, >> let's become a real multitude! >> > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] #OccupyWallStreet stays alive by becoming #WeAreThe99 Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:33:53 AM
I totally support the #WeAreThe99 idea, which I think is all about connecting with ordinary people's concerns. Sent from my phone On Sep 20, 2011 2:03 AM, "NicolasMoselleAllen" <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: > yeah, agreed. perhaps it was a bit overreaching, the constitution bit. > i still stand behind luis's idea though, and I hope someone will be > able to raise it at the GA tomorrow. > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: >> I don't know if that's what happened in Spain, but it seems a little >> premature and grandiose to be drafting a constitution at this point, given >> that there are only a few hundred people occupying a small park in a single >> city. Rather than trying to create a new society on such a miniscule basis, >> our time might be better spent finding ways to connect with the everyday, >> practical concerns of people facing the loss of their jobs, health care, >> housing, retirement, quality education for their children, etc. In order to >> have any shot at creating a new society, we need a LOT more people on board >> than we have now (either in Zucotti Park specifically or in the movement as >> a whole), and raising demands that connect with peoples' daily lives is the >> best way to expand from a small, insular group of activists to a broad >> movement - and that's the spirit that I understood Luis's proposal to be >> made in. >> >> Doug >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:42 AM, NicolasMoselleAllen >> <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> If I arrive in time tomorrow I will try to propose it at the General >>> Assembly. When are they planning on holding the GA? >>> >>> I also plan on making a proposal that I think would be compatible with >>> the image "rebranding" proposal: that we attempt to reframe our >>> communication with the world by drafting a Constitution, a set of >>> common values that could represent us and the society that we as a >>> movement are trying to model-forth, rather than proposing "Demands" as >>> we've been calling them. It's my understanding that this is what >>> happened in Spain, with considerable success. >>> >>> OK! >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Luis Moreno-Caballud >>> <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote:
>>> > Yes, thanks! Let's make it #Wearethe99. >>> > I'm in Philly working until Friday, would anyone propose this at the GA >>> > tomorrow? >>> > >>> > On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:59 PM, grimwomyn wrote: >>> > >>> > unfortunately, the % doesnt work as a proper hashtag, what about a >>> > slight >>> > edit to #wearethe99 >>> > >>> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud >>> > <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Dear friends, >>> >> It looks like #OccupyWallStreet is in urgent need of a massive and >>> >> targeted outreach operation to stay alive. The key to the success of >>> >> the >>> >> movement is to be inclusive. Right now the movement is too homogeneous, >>> >> due >>> >> to the "activist" imaginary and language identified with it (example: >>> >> the >>> >> word "occupy", the images of stereotypical activists used by Adbusters, >>> >> etc). >>> >> If we really want to start a massive movement like the ones in Egypt, >>> >> Iceland, Spain, Greece, etc, we should change those referents. If we >>> >> don't >>> >> act quickly the movement will vanish, and it would have been just >>> >> another >>> >> activist movement. I propose that we start today a fast and massive >>> >> outreach >>> >> campaign with this idea: #WeAreThe99%. >>> >> This is the plan: we put all our energy and resources in outreaching >>> >> for >>> >> the #WeAreThe99% Day which will happen next Saturday 23rd, at our space >>> >> in >>> >> Zucotti/Liberty Park. We propose tomorrow at the assembly: everyone >>> >> form >>> >> groups and march right now to different spots in the city (squares, >>> >> neighborhoods, universities, labor unions) with signs, fliers, and a >>> >> clear >>> >> message: >>> >> "Political parties govern in the name of the 1% that control almost all >>> >> financial wealth. We are the 99%." >>> >> "We have taken a space at the heart of Wall Street to start changing >>> >> this >>> >> situation. Join us at Zucotti/Liberty Park on Saturday September 23rd >>> >> for >>> >> the We Are The 99% Day. Stay with us." >>> >> What do you think? We have a lot of attention in the internet and even >>> >> mainstream media, let's use it now before it's gone! Let's create a >>> >> really
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>
>> inclusive and massive movement, let's go beyond traditional identities, >> let's become a real multitude! >> > > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Presto september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] #OccupyWallStreet stays alive by becoming #WeAreThe99 Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:36:45 AM
Is #WeAreThe99Percent too long? On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: I totally support the #WeAreThe99 idea, which I think is all about connecting with ordinary people's concerns. Sent from my phone On Sep 20, 2011 2:03 AM, "NicolasMoselleAllen" <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: > yeah, agreed. perhaps it was a bit overreaching, the constitution bit. > i still stand behind luis's idea though, and I hope someone will be > able to raise it at the GA tomorrow. > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: >> I don't know if that's what happened in Spain, but it seems a little >> premature and grandiose to be drafting a constitution at this point, given >> that there are only a few hundred people occupying a small park in a single >> city. Rather than trying to create a new society on such a miniscule basis, >> our time might be better spent finding ways to connect with the everyday, >> practical concerns of people facing the loss of their jobs, health care, >> housing, retirement, quality education for their children, etc. In order to >> have any shot at creating a new society, we need a LOT more people on board >> than we have now (either in Zucotti Park specifically or in the movement as >> a whole), and raising demands that connect with peoples' daily lives is the >> best way to expand from a small, insular group of activists to a broad >> movement - and that's the spirit that I understood Luis's proposal to be >> made in. >> >> Doug >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:42 AM, NicolasMoselleAllen >> <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> If I arrive in time tomorrow I will try to propose it at the General >>> Assembly. When are they planning on holding the GA? >>> >>> I also plan on making a proposal that I think would be compatible with >>> the image "rebranding" proposal: that we attempt to reframe our >>> communication with the world by drafting a Constitution, a set of >>> common values that could represent us and the society that we as a >>> movement are trying to model-forth, rather than proposing "Demands" as >>> we've been calling them. It's my understanding that this is what >>> happened in Spain, with considerable success.
>>> >>> OK! >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Luis Moreno-Caballud >>> <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >>> > Yes, thanks! Let's make it #Wearethe99. >>> > I'm in Philly working until Friday, would anyone propose this at the GA >>> > tomorrow? >>> > >>> > On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:59 PM, grimwomyn wrote: >>> > >>> > unfortunately, the % doesnt work as a proper hashtag, what about a >>> > slight >>> > edit to #wearethe99 >>> > >>> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud >>> > <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Dear friends, >>> >> It looks like #OccupyWallStreet is in urgent need of a massive and >>> >> targeted outreach operation to stay alive. The key to the success of >>> >> the >>> >> movement is to be inclusive. Right now the movement is too homogeneous, >>> >> due >>> >> to the "activist" imaginary and language identified with it (example: >>> >> the >>> >> word "occupy", the images of stereotypical activists used by Adbusters, >>> >> etc). >>> >> If we really want to start a massive movement like the ones in Egypt, >>> >> Iceland, Spain, Greece, etc, we should change those referents. If we >>> >> don't >>> >> act quickly the movement will vanish, and it would have been just >>> >> another >>> >> activist movement. I propose that we start today a fast and massive >>> >> outreach >>> >> campaign with this idea: #WeAreThe99%. >>> >> This is the plan: we put all our energy and resources in outreaching >>> >> for >>> >> the #WeAreThe99% Day which will happen next Saturday 23rd, at our space >>> >> in >>> >> Zucotti/Liberty Park. We propose tomorrow at the assembly: everyone >>> >> form >>> >> groups and march right now to different spots in the city (squares, >>> >> neighborhoods, universities, labor unions) with signs, fliers, and a >>> >> clear >>> >> message: >>> >> "Political parties govern in the name of the 1% that control almost all >>> >> financial wealth. We are the 99%." >>> >> "We have taken a space at the heart of Wall Street to start changing >>> >> this >>> >> situation. Join us at Zucotti/Liberty Park on Saturday September 23rd
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for the We Are The 99% Day. Stay with us." What do you think? We have a lot of attention in the internet and even mainstream media, let's use it now before it's gone! Let's create a really inclusive and massive movement, let's go beyond traditional identities, let's become a real multitude!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] #OccupyWallStreet stays alive by becoming #WeAreThe99 Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:54:44 AM
I would say yes because character count is such a precious commodity on twitter... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: Is #WeAreThe99Percent too long? On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: I totally support the #WeAreThe99 idea, which I think is all about connecting with ordinary people's concerns. Sent from my phone On Sep 20, 2011 2:03 AM, "NicolasMoselleAllen" <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: > yeah, agreed. perhaps it was a bit overreaching, the constitution bit. > i still stand behind luis's idea though, and I hope someone will be > able to raise it at the GA tomorrow. > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: >> I don't know if that's what happened in Spain, but it seems a little >> premature and grandiose to be drafting a constitution at this point, given >> that there are only a few hundred people occupying a small park in a single >> city. Rather than trying to create a new society on such a miniscule basis, >> our time might be better spent finding ways to connect with the everyday, >> practical concerns of people facing the loss of their jobs, health care, >> housing, retirement, quality education for their children, etc. In order to >> have any shot at creating a new society, we need a LOT more people on board >> than we have now (either in Zucotti Park specifically or in the movement as >> a whole), and raising demands that connect with peoples' daily lives is the >> best way to expand from a small, insular group of activists to a broad >> movement - and that's the spirit that I understood Luis's proposal to be >> made in. >> >> Doug >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:42 AM, NicolasMoselleAllen >> <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> If I arrive in time tomorrow I will try to propose it at the General >>> Assembly. When are they planning on holding the GA? >>> >>> I also plan on making a proposal that I think would be compatible with
>>> the image "rebranding" proposal: that we attempt to reframe our >>> communication with the world by drafting a Constitution, a set of >>> common values that could represent us and the society that we as a >>> movement are trying to model-forth, rather than proposing "Demands" as >>> we've been calling them. It's my understanding that this is what >>> happened in Spain, with considerable success. >>> >>> OK! >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Luis Moreno-Caballud >>> <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >>> > Yes, thanks! Let's make it #Wearethe99. >>> > I'm in Philly working until Friday, would anyone propose this at the GA >>> > tomorrow? >>> > >>> > On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:59 PM, grimwomyn wrote: >>> > >>> > unfortunately, the % doesnt work as a proper hashtag, what about a >>> > slight >>> > edit to #wearethe99 >>> > >>> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud >>> > <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Dear friends, >>> >> It looks like #OccupyWallStreet is in urgent need of a massive and >>> >> targeted outreach operation to stay alive. The key to the success of >>> >> the >>> >> movement is to be inclusive. Right now the movement is too homogeneous, >>> >> due >>> >> to the "activist" imaginary and language identified with it (example: >>> >> the >>> >> word "occupy", the images of stereotypical activists used by Adbusters, >>> >> etc). >>> >> If we really want to start a massive movement like the ones in Egypt, >>> >> Iceland, Spain, Greece, etc, we should change those referents. If we >>> >> don't >>> >> act quickly the movement will vanish, and it would have been just >>> >> another >>> >> activist movement. I propose that we start today a fast and massive >>> >> outreach >>> >> campaign with this idea: #WeAreThe99%. >>> >> This is the plan: we put all our energy and resources in outreaching >>> >> for >>> >> the #WeAreThe99% Day which will happen next Saturday 23rd, at our space >>> >> in >>> >> Zucotti/Liberty Park. We propose tomorrow at the assembly: everyone >>> >> form >>> >> groups and march right now to different spots in the city (squares, >>> >> neighborhoods, universities, labor unions) with signs, fliers, and a >>> >> clear
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >
message: "Political parties govern in the name of the 1% that control almost all financial wealth. We are the 99%." "We have taken a space at the heart of Wall Street to start changing this situation. Join us at Zucotti/Liberty Park on Saturday September 23rd for the We Are The 99% Day. Stay with us." What do you think? We have a lot of attention in the internet and even mainstream media, let's use it now before it's gone! Let's create a really inclusive and massive movement, let's go beyond traditional identities, let's become a real multitude!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Ashley Anderson september17@googlegroups.com begoniasc@yahoo.es; wintersiroco@gmail.com; vrubiopu@gmail.com; ruso@ladinamo.org Re: [september17discuss] #OccupyWallStreet stays alive by becoming #WeAreThe99% Tuesday, September 20, 2011 6:38:42 PM
It's important to recognize that OWS is the first of a wave of actions. There are plans to occupy Freedom Plaza in DC starting Oct. 6th, (I'll be there) and a "People's Congress" convening in the spring (a chance to pass our own laws, based on the good work being done in the GA as well as Oct 6th) Don't worry, the uprising isn't going to stop in NYC, but it will certainly be known as the beautiful beginning. I hope that the activists on the ground there embrace the amazing work that is being done, and learn to recognize the doubt and fear of failing for what it is: a symptom of a life of insidious cultural trauma.
The idea of the other 99%, to me, just adds to the value of the action! It's a strong message and it doesn't devalue the occupation. But don't underestimate the outrage of the average citizen. They may be couch potatoes, but they aren't dead. . And they are under a spell and/or just trying to concentrate on keeping their lives from "falling apart." They can't hold out forever--our civilization is in midcollapse. The masses might not be in NYC yet, but they will eventually hear the call to take the streets. The only way you'll ever reach and ignite that part of them that is ready to reclaim their power is by being authentic in your actions at this moment. Our culture is oppressed by a deeply planted assumption that we need to appeal to as many people as we can, all the time. In a culture this perverted, playing to the middle is still playing to crazy. "Radicals" are the reasonable, responsible people in a country where corruption and greed are literally killing our neighbors. And you are proving it. Radical pride. You are showing that common goals are worthy of real action, regardless of how it will play in the media, and because of that, there is a far greater chance that it will reach that magic viral threshold and inspire millions of others to action. In short, when in doubt, go big and honest. Don't be afraid that the OWS action will fail. Failure would be doing nothing. You're winning. Keep going, goodpeople. By God, the Entire World is pulling for you.
Ashley
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:59 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
I love all of us radicals that have the balls to show up at this thing and demand change, but I have to agree with Luis that a lot of that radical language is hurting our ultimate goal of attracting most of the 99% to join us. (I do like the 99% message.) There is a fine line between getting attention and scaring people and we have to be very careful how we tightwalk on it. We also have to be willing to achieve our goals in steps and not all at once. A majority of Americans or even citizens of Earth are not ready for wholesale change. They want to see improvements not massive experiments. I could be wrong, but this is how I read the situation. Thanks, John McG On 09/19/11, Luis Moreno-Caballud<morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote:
Dear friends,
It looks like #OccupyWallStreet is in urgent need of a massive and targeted outreach operation to stay alive. The key to the success of the movement is to be inclusive. Right now the movement is too homogeneous, due to the "activist" imaginary and language identified with it (example: the word "occupy", the images of stereotypical activists used by Adbusters, etc). If we really want to start a massive movement like the ones in Egypt, Iceland, Spain, Greece, etc, we should change those referents. If we don't act quickly the movement will vanish, and it would have been just another activist movement. I propose that we start today a fast and massive outreach campaign with this idea: #WeAreThe99%. This is the plan: we put all our energy and resources in outreaching for the #WeAreThe99% Day which will happen next Saturday 23rd, at our space in Zucotti/Liberty Park. We propose tomorrow at the assembly: everyone form groups and march right now to different spots in the city (squares, neighborhoods, universities, labor unions) with signs, fliers, and a clear message: "Political parties govern in the name of the 1% that control almost all financial wealth. We are the 99%." "We have taken a space at the heart of Wall Street to start changing this situation. Join us at Zucotti/Liberty Park on Saturday September 23rd for the We Are The 99% Day. Stay with us." What do you think? We have a lot of attention in the internet and even mainstream media, let's use it now before it's gone! Let's create a really inclusive and massive movement, let's go beyond traditional identities, let's become a real multitude!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Yoni Golijov september17@googlegroups.com Begonia Santa-Cecilia; Winter Siroco; Vicente Rubio; Angel Luis Lara Re: [september17discuss] #OccupyWallStreet stays alive by becoming #WeAreThe99% Monday, September 19, 2011 11:51:26 PM
I think that is great! Yoni On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote:
Dear friends,
It looks like #OccupyWallStreet is in urgent need of a massive and targeted outreach operation to stay alive. The key to the success of the movement is to be inclusive. Right now the movement is too homogeneous, due to the "activist" imaginary and language identified with it (example: the word "occupy", the images of stereotypical activists used by Adbusters, etc). If we really want to start a massive movement like the ones in Egypt, Iceland, Spain, Greece, etc, we should change those referents. If we don't act quickly the movement will vanish, and it would have been just another activist movement. I propose that we start today a fast and massive outreach campaign with this idea: #WeAreThe99%. This is the plan: we put all our energy and resources in outreaching for the #WeAreThe99% Day which will happen next Saturday 23rd, at our space in Zucotti/Liberty Park. We propose tomorrow at the assembly: everyone form groups and march right now to different spots in the city (squares, neighborhoods, universities, labor unions) with signs, fliers, and a clear message: "Political parties govern in the name of the 1% that control almost all financial wealth. We are the 99%." "We have taken a space at the heart of Wall Street to start changing this situation. Join us at Zucotti/Liberty Park on Saturday September 23rd for the We Are The 99% Day. Stay with us." What do you think? We have a lot of attention in the internet and even mainstream media, let's use it now before it's gone! Let's create a really inclusive and massive movement, let's go beyond traditional identities, let's become a real multitude!
-yOni
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] #OccupyWallStreet stays alive by becoming #WeAreThe99 Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:46:27 AM
Yes- it works great as a rhetorical slogan, but unfortunately is not true. The 1% works language since 1% have majority economic control, but part of the 99% (Is it the top 10%?, the top managerial class and some of the petty capitalists (smaller than the 1% owners) have common interests with the top 1% and are too well compensated, often in stocks, i.e. ownership of the means of production to ever be on our side. They have a different agenda; thats who the Tea Party are. We do need a better class analysis to identify who our real, potential allies are mostly the working class and middle class. Were right about Wall St, the ruling class, but dont speak enough about the crucial position of the working class who ultimately have the power to shut it all down. Lets get a good radical economist to do a workshop with us.
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan David Acuff Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:38 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] #OccupyWallStreet stays alive by becoming #WeAreThe99
I don't fully get the 99% bit. 99% of what? Is the implication that the people making $250,000 a year are somehow exploited by those who make $350,000 a year? If that's the central message, I think it majorly lacks a class analysis. It's certainly useful to give percentages to demonstrate massive inequality, but it seems to also imply that the solution is to redistribute the wealth, not change system that creates the inequalities in the first place. I don't think you can tax away capitalism. I believe we need to democratize the economy. I think the 99% piece sounds inclusive, but weak as THE central message. but if I'm missing something let me know. As for rewriting the constitution, perhaps the group could draft a principles of unity that would be general enough and on still on target enough to be adopted by the GA. Ryan On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:03 AM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: yeah, agreed. perhaps it was a bit overreaching, the constitution bit. i still stand behind luis's idea though, and I hope someone will be able to raise it at the GA tomorrow. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't know if that's what happened in Spain, but it seems a little > premature and grandiose to be drafting a constitution at this point, given > that there are only a few hundred people occupying a small park in a single > city. Rather than trying to create a new society on such a miniscule basis, > our time might be better spent finding ways to connect with the everyday, > practical concerns of people facing the loss of their jobs, health care, > housing, retirement, quality education for their children, etc. In order to
> have any shot at creating a new society, we need a LOT more people on board > than we have now (either in Zucotti Park specifically or in the movement as > a whole), and raising demands that connect with peoples' daily lives is the > best way to expand from a small, insular group of activists to a broad > movement - and that's the spirit that I understood Luis's proposal to be > made in. > > Doug > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:42 AM, NicolasMoselleAllen > <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> If I arrive in time tomorrow I will try to propose it at the General >> Assembly. When are they planning on holding the GA? >> >> I also plan on making a proposal that I think would be compatible with >> the image "rebranding" proposal: that we attempt to reframe our >> communication with the world by drafting a Constitution, a set of >> common values that could represent us and the society that we as a >> movement are trying to model-forth, rather than proposing "Demands" as >> we've been calling them. It's my understanding that this is what >> happened in Spain, with considerable success. >> >> OK! >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Luis Moreno-Caballud >> <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >> > Yes, thanks! Let's make it #Wearethe99. >> > I'm in Philly working until Friday, would anyone propose this at the GA >> > tomorrow? >> > >> > On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:59 PM, grimwomyn wrote: >> > >> > unfortunately, the % doesnt work as a proper hashtag, what about a >> > slight >> > edit to #wearethe99 >> > >> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud >> > <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >> >> >> >> Dear friends, >> >> It looks like #OccupyWallStreet is in urgent need of a massive and >> >> targeted outreach operation to stay alive. The key to the success of >> >> the >> >> movement is to be inclusive. Right now the movement is too homogeneous, >> >> due >> >> to the "activist" imaginary and language identified with it (example: >> >> the >> >> word "occupy", the images of stereotypical activists used by Adbusters,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >
etc). If we really want to start a massive movement like the ones in Egypt, Iceland, Spain, Greece, etc, we should change those referents. If we don't act quickly the movement will vanish, and it would have been just another activist movement. I propose that we start today a fast and massive outreach campaign with this idea: #WeAreThe99%. This is the plan: we put all our energy and resources in outreaching for the #WeAreThe99% Day which will happen next Saturday 23rd, at our space in Zucotti/Liberty Park. We propose tomorrow at the assembly: everyone form groups and march right now to different spots in the city (squares, neighborhoods, universities, labor unions) with signs, fliers, and a clear message: "Political parties govern in the name of the 1% that control almost all financial wealth. We are the 99%." "We have taken a space at the heart of Wall Street to start changing this situation. Join us at Zucotti/Liberty Park on Saturday September 23rd for the We Are The 99% Day. Stay with us." What do you think? We have a lot of attention in the internet and even mainstream media, let's use it now before it's gone! Let's create a really inclusive and massive movement, let's go beyond traditional identities, let's become a real multitude!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] $6000? Tuesday, September 20, 2011 9:02:18 PM
Also keep in mind all of our food is available to anyone who is at the camp, so people can always come here to eat. I'm just worried about allocating so much money while we're still building our "fundraising capabilities", in parenthesis because i laugh at even calling this awesome crowd-sourced spontaneous mess that. -justin On Sep 20, 2011, at 8:58 PM, Yoni Golijov wrote: Using the money to feed people who really need food is an excellent idea I think, I don't know how many of them are near wall st so it would require concentrated outreach work to soup kitchens and/or churchs where people normally go looking for food, / other thoughts? On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:48 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
Are flyers really more important than feeding people?
On 09/20/11, Alexa D. O'Brien<alexaobrien@gmail.com> wrote:
Donate to the wall street occupation support@usdayofrage.org 347 640 0925 Paging Publius. #occupywallstreet has FLYER FUND. DONATEhttp://bit.ly/oo538N
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:47 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: I recently posted a message suggesting that we try to feed the hungry, but no one seems to have commented on it. If we have $6000, I would like to suggest the idea one more time. I feel it would amount tom putting our money where our mouth is.
On 09/20/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Why not use the $6000 in food money for flyers? I believe Justin Wedes has access to the account. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I was only able to crank out 100, which I left on the table by the front of the GA. I'll try and print more once my boss has gone home. Nobody else in my office is sympathetic to the occupation so I've got to be sneaky. Rock on, Jon On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:46 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: Who can print flyers? We need thousands.
-yOni
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] $6000? Tuesday, September 20, 2011 9:49:38 PM
So this is the twitter status with the right character count: Join us in #NYC? Tweet your reason 2 #iwilloccupy and the top 5 will get a FREE round-trip NYC & a sleeping bag upon arrival #takewallstreet and is this really happening? I would love to start promoting it... luv-p On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Also keep in mind all of our food is available to anyone who is at the camp, so people can always come here to eat. I'm just worried about allocating so much money while we're still building our "fundraising capabilities", in parenthesis because i laugh at even calling this awesome crowd-sourced spontaneous mess that. -justin On Sep 20, 2011, at 8:58 PM, Yoni Golijov wrote: Using the money to feed people who really need food is an excellent idea I think, I don't know how many of them are near wall st so it would require concentrated outreach work to soup kitchens and/or churchs where people normally go looking for food, / other thoughts? On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:48 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
On 09/20/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Why not use the $6000 in food money for flyers? I believe Justin Wedes has access to the account. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I was only able to crank out 100, which I left on the table by the front of the GA. I'll try and print more once my boss has gone home. Nobody else in my office is sympathetic to
the occupation so I've got to be sneaky. Rock on, Jon On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:46 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: Who can print flyers? We need thousands.
-yOni
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] $6000? Tuesday, September 20, 2011 9:57:32 PM
are we really going to spend a thousand dollars or more just to get FIVE people here? surely there are better uses for that money. and who is in charge of it anyway? who gets to make this decision? On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:49 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: So this is the twitter status with the right character count: Join us in #NYC? Tweet your reason 2 #iwilloccupy and the top 5 will get a FREE round-trip NYC & a sleeping bag upon arrival #takewallstreet and is this really happening? I would love to start promoting it... luv-p On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Also keep in mind all of our food is available to anyone who is at the camp, so people can always come here to eat. I'm just worried about allocating so much money while we're still building our "fundraising capabilities", in parenthesis because i laugh at even calling this awesome crowd-sourced spontaneous mess that. -justin On Sep 20, 2011, at 8:58 PM, Yoni Golijov wrote: Using the money to feed people who really need food is an excellent idea I think, I don't know how many of them are near wall st so it would require concentrated outreach work to soup kitchens and/or churchs where people normally go looking for food, / other thoughts? On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:48 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
On 09/20/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote:

Why not use the $6000 in food money for flyers? I believe Justin Wedes has access to the account. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I was only able to crank out 100, which I left on the table by the front of the GA. I'll try and print more once my boss has gone home. Nobody else in my office is sympathetic to the occupation so I've got to be sneaky. Rock on, Jon On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:46 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: Who can print flyers? We need thousands.
-yOni
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] $6000? Thursday, September 22, 2011 7:50:09 AM
Completely agreed, let's keep it respectful. On Sep 22, 2011 7:19 AM, "Matthew Presto" <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't have any opinions about the funding, but... why do you think > it's perfectly fine to use "retard" as an insult? I would hope that > no one would put up with any racist, sexist, or homophobic language > on this listserv or at the General Assembly; whether you like it or > not, using the word "retard" as a pejorative perpetuates ableism. > > Matt > > On Sep 22, 2011, at 5:16 AM, Alexa D. O'Brien wrote: > >> Jem, >> >> Don't be a retard. The food fund has 15,000 in it. Spare us. >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:48 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: >> Are flyers really more important than feeding people? >> >> >> On 09/20/11, Alexa D. O'Brien<alexaobrien@gmail.com> wrote: >> Donate to the wall street occupation support@usdayofrage.org 347 >> 640 0925 Paging Publius. #occupywallstreet has FLYER FUND. >> DONATEhttp://bit.ly/oo538N >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:47 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: >> I recently posted a message suggesting that we try to feed the >> hungry, but no one seems to have commented on it. If we have >> $6000, I would like to suggest the idea one more time. I feel it >> would amount tom putting our money where our mouth is. >> >> >> On 09/20/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: >> Why not use the $6000 in food money for flyers? I believe Justin >> Wedes has access to the account. >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Jon Good >> <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: >> I was only able to crank out 100, which I left on the table by the >> front of the GA. I'll try and print more once my boss has gone >> home. Nobody else in my office is sympathetic to the occupation so >> I've got to be sneaky. >> >> Rock on, >> >> Jon
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:46 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: Who can print flyers? We need thousands.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Presto september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] $6000? Thursday, September 22, 2011 7:19:12 AM
I don't have any opinions about the funding, but... why do you think it's perfectly fine to use "retard" as an insult? I would hope that no one would put up with any racist, sexist, or homophobic language on this listserv or at the General Assembly; whether you like it or not, using the word "retard" as a pejorative perpetuates ableism. Matt On Sep 22, 2011, at 5:16 AM, Alexa D. O'Brien wrote: Jem, Don't be a retard. The food fund has 15,000 in it. Spare us. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:48 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] $6000? Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:27:23 PM
The idea also came up to hold a contest 2 help people get here. I would recommend a tweet like this: Want to join us in #NYC? Tweet your reason to #iwilloccupy and the top 5 will get a FREE round-trip NYC. And a sleeping bag upon arrival ;) #takewallstreet -j On Sep 20, 2011, at 7:47 PM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:
I recently posted a message suggesting that we try to feed the hungry, but no one seems to have commented on it. If we have $6000, I would like to suggest the idea one more time. I feel it would amount tom putting our money where our mouth is.

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On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 10:59 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: +1

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Yes, the first needs reworking.

Creating a real participatory democracy,

On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 10:59 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: +1

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I think I like the previous suggestion better:

Yes, the first needs reworking.

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No, no the original is better

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I agree, perhaps it could be OUR GOALS ARE:

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Ending the oppression of all marginalized groups, and

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