Professional Documents
Culture Documents
step 8: More Pictures to come . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10 step 9: And some more . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 14 step 10: My Friend George Muscotts Own (Warp Drive) cutter video . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18 step 11: Just looking around at the (PLASANATOR) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18 Related Instructables . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18 Advertisements . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18 Customized Instructable T-shirts . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18 Comments . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18
http://www.instructables.com/id/HOMEMADE_PLASMA_CUTTER/
Video
http://www.instructables.com/id/HOMEMADE_PLASMA_CUTTER/
http://www.instructables.com/id/HOMEMADE_PLASMA_CUTTER/
step 5: Instructions
Ok, Some Notes: Hopefully who ever you are that is looking this over, has some electrical knowledge of sorts. At least be able to wire a switch so you can understand whats going on here. First off, the circuit breaker on my board is something I had, to dress it up some and you dont need this type of breaker. If you want, just use the breaker in the parts list for your fusebox, which you might already be equipped with. The ground doesnt need to be ran through a fuse but you will need it connected to your board. Thats another thing, connections, you can save a lot of money by just using old ? inch bolts with two nuts on them for wire main connections or any lead connection you come across, I did in the beginning. I have a picture for you to look at called terminal to show what I mean. Also you can save half the cost if you would just look around for some of these parts in your own area. An old stove, (coils) old microwave/oven combo (heavy-duty power cord wire for main leads or dc side of board), old 12 volt charger for non-working cordless drill (12 volt transformer).
http://www.instructables.com/id/HOMEMADE_PLASMA_CUTTER/
Do you have an old car? Or can you get to a junkyard? (Coil, wire for coil, GM control module, Spark plug. If you just take your time you could find 80 percent of this stuff just like I did. Now Im just saying you could find this stuff but I dont recommend building this at all, its for (EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY) and Im not responsible for anyone that gets hurt trying to build this. Now the fittings you need to hook the plasma head to the filter is something you will have to put together (IN YOUR MIND, NOT FOR REAL) because what ever head you may use can be different from mine. If you come across part say like the contactor switch, you find one cheaper but the coil voltage is 24 volts rather than 120. No problem just tap into the 24 volt system and run that through the house switch rather than the 220, just email me with questions if you need to. Heres a big one, when I get done cutting my capacitors still are holding a charge even when I disconnect the power, I just take a large bleeder resistor or have used also any old choke coil. Touch it across the negative and positive wires coming off the caps dont worry about me it doesnt make a boom like you think. Now my rig you see was just for test purposes and to make it easy to change parts easily and quickly if I needed to. I plan on mounting all my parts in a nice cabinet probably wood construction and put some wheels to move around a lot easier. Hers something, most of the china torches main lead (electrode lead) is ran through the air hose, so the connection nut is your electrode or negative connection. This means that you would have to connect the electrode cable to the air filter frame. Its a good thing your not gonna build this because it is not an isolated circuit like if it had a transformer so one would need to be careful around this unit. Thats why I would mount in wood case instead of metal. About the computer fan, this is to cool the main bridge but it doesnt have to be 120 volt. If you have a 24 volt ac fan then just hook to 24 volt side instead of 120 and when breaker is on so will be fan. When mounting the control module to a metal platt form dont foreget to put the grease that comes with it to help cool it although it never gets hot for me. Now thats what I would do if this was for real and not just (Educational) if you know what I mean? The way I would do this project is start with page 1 and complete it then so on till Im done.
File Downloads
Notes for Plasanator.doc (36 KB) [NOTE: When saving, if you see .tmp as the file ext, rename it to 'Notes for Plasanator.doc']
http://www.instructables.com/id/HOMEMADE_PLASMA_CUTTER/
http://www.instructables.com/id/HOMEMADE_PLASMA_CUTTER/
http://www.instructables.com/id/HOMEMADE_PLASMA_CUTTER/
http://www.instructables.com/id/HOMEMADE_PLASMA_CUTTER/
http://www.instructables.com/id/HOMEMADE_PLASMA_CUTTER/
http://www.instructables.com/id/HOMEMADE_PLASMA_CUTTER/
http://www.instructables.com/id/HOMEMADE_PLASMA_CUTTER/
http://www.instructables.com/id/HOMEMADE_PLASMA_CUTTER/
http://www.instructables.com/id/HOMEMADE_PLASMA_CUTTER/
http://www.instructables.com/id/HOMEMADE_PLASMA_CUTTER/
http://www.instructables.com/id/HOMEMADE_PLASMA_CUTTER/
http://www.instructables.com/id/HOMEMADE_PLASMA_CUTTER/
http://www.instructables.com/id/HOMEMADE_PLASMA_CUTTER/
step 10: My Friend George Muscotts Own (Warp Drive) cutter video
Here is a friends cutter he made with my plans and he named his (The Warp Drive). I figured you wanted a break and the next video is of the plasanator on its test stand getting a good look at the parts in place.
Related Instructables
Amazing plasma globe tricks that you never knew before!!! by Plasmana
Comments
50 comments Add Comment view all 77 comments
samuelchrist says:
Jan 8, 2009. 3:13 PM REPLY I am in australian we use 240 ac not 120v, what do i do just use 240 to 24v transformers,most of the rest i have worked out thanks.
jandgse812 says:
Jan 8, 2009. 9:39 PM REPLY your 240 volt ac will split im sure just like ours and one leg of hot to ground will give you the 120 volt you need for low voltage transformers.
teddlesruss says:
Jan 9, 2009. 3:02 AM REPLY Eeek! No! No! A thousand times no, it will not "split!" Be safe, talk to someone in Australia that's done something like this. Please. I don't want to read an obituary.
jandgse812 says:
Well you will just have to use 240 volt to 12 and 24 volt transformers. Go to grainger.com to get them.
macsimski says:
Jan 8, 2009. 11:22 PM REPLY that is not necessary so. here in Europe one wire of the 240 is always on gnd level, due to the 3 phase way of doing things. between phases lives 400Volts, between phase and neutral lives 240volts.
teddlesruss says:
What he said!
http://www.instructables.com/id/HOMEMADE_PLASMA_CUTTER/
Eternal_Tristan says:
What if you are a lady?
strangebike says:
judging from the picture I don't think he is. I apologise in advance if I'm wrong.
jandgse812 says:
Then im sure it will be put together right Tristan.
jonathan.jekir says:
Jan 8, 2009. 3:19 PM REPLY for the love of $DEITY don't run the ground wire through a circuit breaker...it *needs* to be able to push massive currents, just for a split second without ever being interrupted; if it's interrupted say goodbye to half the protection the breaker gives you that said, amazing feat of garage engineering.
jandgse812 says:
Thank you very much.
monopole2 says:
Jandgse812, How thick metals can you cut with that torch? Can you cut 7/8", if not, is it possible to size it up? and how many VA on the 12v and the 24v transformer thanks
jandgse812 says:
Jan 8, 2009. 9:36 PM REPLY at 50 amps you can cut near 3/4 thick steel and yes you can build for larger cuts. The 12 and 24 volt transformers should be from 2 to 3 amps, you dont need much just to operate relays and control module.
ColeP says:
sorry man, I must be simple today or something, but I only see 50/60 Amp heads in 12 and 25 foot lengths. Like So: http://cgi.ebay.com/sh-4-torch-for-Air-plasma-cutting-50-60-A-12feet_W0QQitemZ130250565149QQihZ003QQcategoryZ113743QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262 Is there a model number I can search for? The 50/60 Amp is the SH-4. They can't have sold out in 1 day I assume, so hopefully I'm just an idiot today, ha.
Thanks for your help, I'm heading down to autozone tonight for that control module, and I will send you some pictures when it is finished. I voted for you, this is the best project. Good luck.
jandgse812 says:
Jan 8, 2009. 12:14 PM REPLY colep when go into it,look to left and you will see 80 amp click on that and it will show the heads,and you can use a lesser head like 40/50 if you want.
ColeP says:
excellent! thanks a ton man, found it, am ordering tomorrow.
cmikowsk says:
Do you have a full page schematic for the Plasanator? It's easier for me to grasp the operation. Thanks for the good work.
jandgse812 says:
its there last one
cmikowsk says:
Sorry I'm a little slow, got it.
http://www.instructables.com/id/HOMEMADE_PLASMA_CUTTER/
cmikowsk says:
???? I don't understand.
Ouroboros439 says:
Just wondering what is the thickest steel you can cut and what is the amp out put?
maxpower49 says:
is this 110v or 220v
jandgse812 says:
220 Maxpower49
DeusXMachina says:
Where did you get the 110A 800V rectifier?
jandgse812 says:
the electro store but it dont have to be that hi, it was just what I wanted. Just keep it about 20 amps higher than your gonna run and around 500 volts or higher would be great.
alex-sharetskiy says:
probably online...
smellsofbikes says:
Jan 6, 2009. 8:57 PM REPLY I've been looking at building a plasma cutter as well. The main thing that worries me about this design, and others like it that I've seen, is that it appears that the clamp and work are at -110V, which scares the daylights out of me safety-wise. Am I wrong about this? It would be nice to find a way to make this work that has the workpiece at ground, and uses a switching power supply to act as an isolater (since an isolating transformer is cost- and weight-prohibitive.) I really like your use of oven heater coils as cheap high-power current-limiting resistors: it beats the daylights out of winding nichrome wire around a brick and running water over them (which I've seen other people do.) It's also superb that you've found a source for reasonably priced plasma handpieces/cables: I couldn't find those anywhere. Thanks for posting this.
jandgse812 says:
its around 240 and as in welding it doesnt matter which end is neg or postitive. I can switch my welder to reverse to change my clamp to either or depending on how I want to weld. And thank you.
jandgse812 says:
Jan 7, 2009. 11:07 AM REPLY You could simply reverse the connections on the board to give neg to clamp and pos to head and also the arc connections as well. add a 7.5 kva transformer to input and its isolated, it just will be bigger heavier and costlier.
smellsofbikes says:
Jan 7, 2009. 6:23 PM REPLY I guess the isolation transformer is probably the best way. I've welded enough to come to the conclusion that having the work charged is a bad idea. (This implementation isn't terrible insofar as the contactors open it so it's not live except when you're cutting, but that's still *awfully* exciting.) I've wondered for a while if I couldn't start the initial arc, on either a plasma or a TIG, with a piezo sparker a la my propane BBQ. We have one pulled apart at work as a type of EMI source and it throws a quite respectable spark, with a lot less effort than using a car spark coil/ignition unit. Unfortunately I haven't yet had time to try it out.
jandgse812 says:
interesting, id like to here how it goes.
mackjr says:
love the TF2 music
http://www.instructables.com/id/HOMEMADE_PLASMA_CUTTER/
jandgse812 says:
thank you Mackjr
panstar1 says:
Jan 7, 2009. 3:17 AM REPLY if i am reading this right ,your powering this thing direct from a 50 amp 220 volt power line from the main panel ? If this is true that could be very bad. if I were you I would not use it outside or near any damp ground ( utility or pole pigs are gouned to the earth) I am saying this b/c you have no isolation what so ever & most likely burn off a few fingers from the 50 amps 220 line !!! no resistors or stove elements can't isolate it plus it would be a good idea to put a emf filter just in case any back feed should become large enough to burn out there brand new plasma wide screen tv ! suggest using a stick welder b/c of it's limited input ability ! but it is up to you ,most of the early tig welders were mostly an add on powered by a welder . for me though I find the project quite dangerous ,I would rather be zapped by something that limits power rather than full line current from the breaker box ! but really good project it just has a few kinks in it ,BTW you might be able to use a MOV as a igniter , instead of a hei coil & a modual that some how operates on ac any with out any trigger pulses from a rotor wheel. ok enough of this blab blab for now .
tercero says:
Jan 7, 2009. 10:59 AM REPLY Pretty much what I was told. I searched for plans back in the fall for making my own plasma cutter and came across these very ones, and the forum found on yahoo. Tom Caudle over at CNCZONE wrote a frank reply to my inquiry if this was safe to build and use. In his words "Plasma has lethal voltages even without a transformer isolated primary. The workclamp on a cutting plasma is not at ground UNLESS you physically ground the table! You can get a nasty shock if you touch an earth ground and the ungrounded plasma table at the same time. The voltages are higher than TIG and MIG welding and there is plenty of current to kill. I know plasma cutters are expensive but building your own could result in heavy expenses to your family for the funeral. Half of the secret to plasma is the structure of the torch (with the arc start method) and the safety and control electronics in the unit. All plasma torches and units have sensors that if you are changing consummables and accidently hit the torch button you don't fry yourself. I have years of experience in power electronics design, high voltage systems and control electronics. I would not attempt the design my own plasma power section. TOM CAUDLE www.CandCNC.com" I got the same answer from weldingweb, Miller Welding discussion forum, http://www.mig-welding.co.uk They all replied that I was taking a stupid chance building and using this. So. I left it. I want to go on to build new things. Not die by building unsafe ones. Oh well.
jandgse812 says:
Jan 7, 2009. 10:00 AM REPLY I appriciate your input. but would you weld something while standing in water? I wouldnt and with all welding equipment there is inherent danger in volved that can kill you. The breakers will blow fast if any thing goes wrong before any major problems. When I cut for 10 minutes straight it will blow my breaker on q. I just put a fan on it and now cut for 25 minutes before it gets to hot, then let it cool for a couple of minutes. As for as affecting anything in the house, short of pouring water on it while its in use, its not gonna happen.
panstar1 says:
Jan 7, 2009. 11:06 PM REPLY your right about it affecting anything else I was thinking of switching power supply ,but I have to weld outside I have no choice if I wish to stay alive because of the smoke given off . In my job I did most of the electrical work wiring up condensing units or which ever ,I also installed many breakers and even I tread lightly when doing this. But all you have in your setup is the hope nothing shorts and you never come in contact with the torch end. Plus just being on grass can be enough , remember hydro is also grounds there system using grounding rods as well ! so even slightly damp ground & you kneeling on it could do it. Now I am not mister wizard i have done dumb things to. & I only have what I have learned in electronics & i have learned 120 hurts and to stay away from it. so if I did build your unit which is a wonderful project that saves a few $1000 by not having to buy one ! I would use a transformer to limit the current to 50 amps and isolating it from the power system and you will only get zapped if you touch the ground lead of the cutter. now my first welder was one of those cheap 50 amp welder from the 70's they were use less for welding but you can still find them $20 i payed of from the garbage. 4 in series would be 200 volts @ you could still get 50 amps but now you have a limited input which saves money on wire and you won't be drawing so much from the breaker box. Plus you will now be able to move the unit farther then 3 feet. Now if all this makes sense & helps good if not well lets hit that one up to being bad at writing comment and insomnia ,plus a few to many seizures from epilepsy !
teeps says:
I think a ventilation system would be in order, no?
great instructable btw. stuff like this thrills me despite my complete lack of intention to attempt such a feat. really makes one wonder how many things CAN'T be hacked together that normally cost oodles of money, though. cheers
jandgse812 says:
Jan 8, 2009. 7:18 AM REPLY Thank you for your input, also remember now that if you touch the tip of the torch you wont be touching the electrode because it is insulated from the tip and only transfers to the tip when you power the high voltage arc start and come in contact with the metal. I can see some folks get to relaxed around welding equipment after awhile or any power tool but its all about being safety conscience about what where doing during these few minutes of operation.
http://www.instructables.com/id/HOMEMADE_PLASMA_CUTTER/
Psycosisnine says:
I dont see any China Head torch 80amp on the link you have listed... can you link us with a different example ?
jandgse812 says:
check your link for brackets at the end. Idont know why but some how brackts are on some peoples link and it dont work unless you take them off. I just tried link again and it works great and there is 80 amp heads available still.
alexhalford says:
Could you use the power supply in a MIG welder (135 Amps give or take) to build this?
jandgse812 says:
I havent tried that but I dont see why you couldnt
waterppk says:
Jan 7, 2009. 9:21 AM REPLY That torch head looks exactly like the one here: Harbor Freight So it looks like it's a legitimate part. You can buy a full torch for $500 from them, but if you picked up one of their 20% off coupons it'd be $400, fyi.
jandgse812 says:
Jan 7, 2009. 9:52 AM REPLY fyi i payed 30 bucks for torch head on ebay. you could buy one those china made junk boxes that the control boards are always going out on or one could take the american pride of building his own and use parts that are cheap to replace. Also not everyone one has 4 or 5 hundred bucks lying around to buy one , but they do have used appliances everywhere.
sensoryhouse says:
who doesn't own a welder but builds their own plasma cutter?
kiowamike says:
Thanks a bunch one more question though, what kind of pressure does this machine require?
jandgse812 says:
it runs great at 35 psi compressed air. and your welcome.
DeusXMachina says:
What are the stove coils for? Are they just low-ohm high-current resistors?
Additionally, why do you care about charge being stored in your caps? It's only going to be used the next time you fire it up, and if you're not going to use it for a while, they will bleed most of their charge over time.
jandgse812 says:
yep and the caps are two fold, smoothing capacitors and they are set up as a voltage doubler system.
http://www.instructables.com/id/HOMEMADE_PLASMA_CUTTER/