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Header-Exhaust Design Effects on Engine Power - Team Integra Forums 3. T T T A M .S ... M .M ( 60 , G-P ,G , EVO, 5 Z ) .I . F . , , HKS D . , A . N1,

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Header-Exhaust Design Effects on Engine Power - Team Integra Forums 5. Hardware Provided Pay attention to fi men and ha d a e p o ided like gaskets and areas for the hangers to hook on to. Please don't obsess over an exhaust because it makes around 2-4 whp in "bolt-on only" engine combinations. If you plan to make over 185 whp then the size of the exhaust becomes very important. ---------------------------------------B. SOME EXHAUST MYTHS TO DEBUNK FROM BEGINNERS 1. M h 1: The Ob e ion O e E ha So nd Q ali : "Wha Make AND "I So nd Lo d. So I M Make a Lo of Po e !"
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The Exhaust Noise is the most common sound source of engine noises, and is usually 10 to 15dB higher than the overall noise level of the engine. The exhaust is of high temperature (800 to l000 ) and high pressure (3 to 4 barometric pressures). The exhaust process is divided into two stages: free exhaust and forced exhaust. The exhaust gas spews out of the exhaust valve and enters into the muffler along the exhaust manifold before draining into the atmosphere from the tail pipe. This process yields wide band exhaust noise. The exhaust noise contains complex noise elements, including the exhaust noise with a base frequency measured in the number of exhausts in unit time, the resonance noise of the gas column in the pipe, the gas stream blowing noise at the exhaust manifold, the exhaust gas jetting and impact noise, the Helmholtz resonance noise of the cylinder, the Karman eddy noise and the turbulent noise inside the exhaust system. Key factors deciding the exhaust noise of the engine includes the cylinder pressure, the exhaust valve diameter, the discharge capacity of the engine and the opening characteristic of the exhaust valve. For one same engine, the rotation speed and the loading of the engine are among the most key factors that contribute to the exhaust noise.

Loudness does not equate to power gain...loudness AND SOUND QUALITY depends on these: - muffler length and size (volume or displacement: a bigger can is quieter), - having a resonator pipe (no resonator = coffee can or bee hive and loud), - length of the resonator pipe (longer is quieter), - the type of sound absorption material in the muffler (glasspacks suck, they melt), - whether the pipe inside the muffler has louvers or holes (holes are quieter and flow better), - exhaust tip size/length (big tip is loud), - the exhaust's design (3 types as described above). So when you shop around, compare and ask about these features that affect sound quality. The more features, the better the sound. Straight-through designs with a resonator, or a chambered design, or a twin-pass design are quieter than a straight-through design without a silencer cone or resonator. Having no resonator ensures a coffee can sound. Straight-through resonators that have the same ID as the rest of the exhaust tubing is better for performance. The number of passes through the muffler, like in the quieter 2-pass Mugen or Hy-Tech exhausts, determine how quiet an exhaust is. If you want a non-coffee can quiet throaty sound, look for the exhaust design characteristics I have listed..a longer muffler and having a resonator are good starting points. Power depends on how the exhaust works with the header collector size and catalytic converter size, to help maintain a high exhaust gas velocity compared to the amount of fresh air you are dumping into the engine...most experts agree that the exhaust flow should be at least 70-85% of the intake flow (if it's more than this...even better). So for exhausts as related to power?: remember, please pay attention to diameter, diameter, diameter that will suit your hp goal. A big newbie misconception: My exhaust is loud so it must be great! 2. M h 2: Big h ge diame e ip a e be e .

You design the tip size to fascilitate where you want the bulk of your power to be along the rpm band. Bigger tips tend to push the peak hp up but at some cost to lower rpm power.C hanging tip size affects the pitch of the exhaust note. Bigger tips have a lower tone. Don't make the exhaust tip, even a resonated one, your focus of attention. It plays a minimal role in your system's performance gains.

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The ingle mo neglec ed pa of hi ni i he ca al ic con e e . E e one pg ade hei heade and ca b keep he ock ca . The af e ma ke cene no ha affo dable highe flo ing ca . The mo ecommended b and i he 94000 Se ie C a o nd (no Random Tech) b he majo c om heade -e ha b ilde fo p o en- o-be-fa Honda like H Tech and SMSP. The Magnaflo ca i a C a o nd ca . [img]h p://
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V. SIZE C OUNTS : EXHAUST SYSTEMS "RELEASE" ENGINE POWER THAT WAS ALREADY MADE A p ope l i ed e ha SYSTEM (f om he heade collec o o he ca o he e ha ), " elea e " o e ac he en i e po e po en ial of an engine. The engine had made hi po e b d e o ineffiencie in he e ha em (backp e e and e e ion), he po e a n ed and ne e ho ed p a he heel . So in eali , a good e ha em doe NOT c ea e po e . In ead i RELEASES po e al ead made. Mo people e he e m " nco king he engine". If o ha e he ong i e an he e along THE SYSTEM, o ha e effec i el choked o co ked he engine f om elea ing he po e i i capable of. E ha ga e i ing in he c linde and lo e e ha ga peed e i ing he c linde do no hing fo o . He e i an e ample of ho doe no "make" hp. Thi i an e ha i h he ong i e can hinde o hold back pe fo mance e en ho gh i

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