Mark Kincaid: Good morning...

Mark Kincaid: today is a wonderful day!

Mark Kincaid: free finally of Sun's sad.... weakness in Libra..

Mark Kincaid: and now, moving powerfully into Scorpio where it's conjunct a very
powerful Mars in Scorpio as well..

Mark Kincaid: Today, Moon's in Gemini...

Mark Kincaid: 18th degree Gemini

suryasukra: excellent

Mark Kincaid: where it's sandwiched between..

Mark Kincaid: both Venus and Jupiter's simultaneous influences..

suryasukra: I sense the weakness in Libra

Mark Kincaid: Venus is at teh 10th degree of Sagittarius while Jupiter's at the 25th degree

Mark Kincaid: also in Sagittarius..

Mark Kincaid: so, quite a good day for a conference call..

Mark Kincaid: Rodriquez: you sensed the weakness of Sun in Libra, this last month?

Mark Kincaid: how did you experience this...?

suryasukra: in the head, and intoxication with pildoras,

Mark Kincaid: pildoras?

Mark Kincaid: what are those...?

suryasukra: with dizziness

Mark Kincaid: I see.

suryasukra: someone karma

Mark Kincaid: did that go on a lot during this whole last month of Sun in Libra
Mark Kincaid: for you...?

suryasukra: I try of speak to affair liason

Mark Kincaid: well, it makes sense that you'd feel some distress health wise sense you have
a Taurus rising which puts your Libra in your 6th house of health...

suryasukra: but I tire fast and run away

Mark Kincaid: for me, having a LIbra rising, I've always experienced that Sun in Libra
debilitation literally

Mark Kincaid: in my body....

Mark Kincaid: this year was in some ways the easiest because I've experienced it so long

suryasukra: already, I understand

Mark Kincaid: though Saturn's simultaneous influence upon Libra and teh Sun, made it
much worse..

Mark Kincaid: Okay, you told me earlier you wanted to talk today about marriage for you
or relationships..

suryasukra: yes

Mark Kincaid: So, for marriage, and really all relationships... there are 2 main components

Mark Kincaid: that are necessary to understand for all relationships

Mark Kincaid: whether marriage,..... friendships...or even business...

Mark Kincaid: yes? and for how long...?

Mark Kincaid: this feeling of discomfort....?

Mark Kincaid: C: back to relationships...

Mark Kincaid: So, 2 things...

Mark Kincaid: COMPATIBILITY.... and SKILL

Mark Kincaid: these are the 2 aspects of relationships that are very important in all
relationships including marriage...

suryasukra: very good

Mark Kincaid: You should feel better now..as the Sun moves farther and farther away from
Libra..

Mark Kincaid: even today Sun's only 00:41 degrees into Scorpio...

Mark Kincaid: so give it a few more days...

suryasukra: yes

Mark Kincaid: One other thing I can say, is to NOT let that vacilating energy of the Sun
distract you from what you want or are interested in....

Mark Kincaid: I try to literally ignore that Libra vascillating energy during the whole time
of Sun/Libra...

Mark Kincaid: This month was the best I've ever felt..

Mark Kincaid: So, C: continuing with marriage...

Mark Kincaid: compatibiltiy...means...you and your prospective partner should have

compatible charts....

Mark Kincaid: this means... compatible enough...

Mark Kincaid: I translate...

Mark Kincaid: going to the same space or place in life,...spiritually...

Mark Kincaid: can you tell us...?

Mark Kincaid: what is your life primarily about...?

Mark Kincaid: what are you interested in accomplishing in the totality of your whole life?

suryasukra: okey, yes mark

Mark Kincaid: where do you want to end up....through the years of this life....?

Mark Kincaid: what else beside that discomfort would you like to focus on today?

suryasukra: spiritually

Mark Kincaid: I believe most of that discomfort will disappear with each day that the Sun
moves further and further into Scorpio...

Mark Kincaid: okay...

Mark Kincaid: so C: define for us...what your spiritual goals are for yourself....?

suryasukra: Become a devote of Godhead, go India and pass away there.

Mark Kincaid: okay finding God then...

Mark Kincaid: to get closer to God....?

Mark Kincaid: having such a unique and wonderful life goal...

Mark Kincaid: means #1 you should look for a bride who shares your deep desire and
dream as well...

suryasukra: by now find a love of my life

Mark Kincaid: hold in your heart

Mark Kincaid: that you are looking for someone who's that way, inclined as well..

Mark Kincaid: DO NOT WASTE A MOMENT...

Mark Kincaid: considering any one who is NOT of the same persuasion...

Mark Kincaid: and anyway, be about finding God...

Mark Kincaid: and hold that thought of a spiriutal partner in your hear...

Mark Kincaid: and God..will bring you that person!

Mark Kincaid: Now, that's the broad stroke of your compatibility...

Mark Kincaid: Now, le'ts briefly discuss skill!

Mark Kincaid: skill means..

Mark Kincaid: wherever we have our benefices this is where we're thinking correctly...

Mark Kincaid: and good skill in all things including relationships will be the result...

Mark Kincaid: but, where we have our malefics...

Mark Kincaid: is where we'll be experiencing all our problems...and NOT creating good
skill

Mark Kincaid: in things...

Mark Kincaid: You said you know your chart well..

suryasukra: yes

Mark Kincaid: Can you tell us what you consider your best benefices...?

Mark Kincaid: and next.... malefics...?

Mark Kincaid: very interesting....

Mark Kincaid: also C: has his Moon & Saturn together in the same sign and house

Mark Kincaid: which is identical to me...too...

suryasukra: benefics, Sun, Saturn

suryasukra: malefics: Venus, Jupiter I believe

Mark Kincaid: okay, now put in more human words..

Mark Kincaid: why you consider your Sun and Saturn your benefices...?

Mark Kincaid: what are your qualities and characteristics that coincide with those
benefices?

suryasukra: Saturn: religiosity, devotion

Mark Kincaid: okay,..and Sun....?

suryasukra: Sun: is the lord of 4th house

Mark Kincaid: I mean reflect inside..

Mark Kincaid: tell us how it feels to have such a good Sun?

Mark Kincaid: look into the quality of why it's benefic for you..

Mark Kincaid: and that will help you be more intouch with benefic ness..

Mark Kincaid: and then, later malefic ness....

suryasukra: this sun is very spiritual

Mark Kincaid: good..

Mark Kincaid: so would you say...

Mark Kincaid: good self-confidence...

Mark Kincaid: ?

Mark Kincaid: too...?

Mark Kincaid: spiritual probably because it's exalted, but in the 12th house of spirit

suryasukra: yes

suryasukra: okey

Mark Kincaid: could be...

Mark Kincaid: close anyway

Mark Kincaid: C: what are your degrees of Mercury and Ketu?

suryasukra: mercury 22 and ketu 12 in Piscis

Mark Kincaid: so yes then, all his planets are within that circle of Rahu/Ketu..

Mark Kincaid: but C: let's get back to your chart for skill then..

Mark Kincaid: so, you can look within and feel your benefices..

Mark Kincaid: and those benefices by the way,...will help your future spouse too...

Mark Kincaid: I always like to tell people be aware of your benefic strengths..

Mark Kincaid: learn to utilize them even more...

Mark Kincaid: and then, understand your malefics and start to learn to heal and improve
them too...

Mark Kincaid: one of the biggest problems in relationships esp. marriage is blame..

Mark Kincaid: we blame the other person...

Mark Kincaid: for all sorts of things..

Mark Kincaid: because we experience there malefics upon us!

Mark Kincaid: but if we can learn to know what our malefics are...

Mark Kincaid: what our problems are...

Mark Kincaid: and also, learn what there's are..

Mark Kincaid: then, we will have learned one of the most valuable lessons...

Mark Kincaid: and STOP blaming others for our malefics... and then, focus on helping our
spouse or others... with their malefics..

Mark Kincaid: So,C:...what would you say your biggest malefic is at this point...?

suryasukra: Venus

Mark Kincaid: yes, how so,

Mark Kincaid: ?

Mark Kincaid: again, put in your own words...the challenges or problems you
experience...?

suryasukra: I distrust of women, I think that have other liason affair whith other people

Mark Kincaid: I see...

Mark Kincaid: okay, let's go into that feeling you have of distrust...?

Mark Kincaid: let's try and find where that is really coming from...

Mark Kincaid: which malefic pattern is responsible..

Mark Kincaid: and if that distrust...interferes with you and your previous relationships

Mark Kincaid: then, you might definitely want to heal that... as a way of improving your
skill in especially such things as relationships...?

Mark Kincaid: could be about rahu...

Mark Kincaid: though rahu doesn't seem to be influencing Venus directly.

Mark Kincaid: let's first go into Venus in the 12th...

Mark Kincaid: 12th house represents a house of loss...

Mark Kincaid: So,l when typical non-benefic plaenets are there...we're born with a lack of
knowledge of wisdom of that planet...

Mark Kincaid: So, would you say, C: that you don't feel real competent in your dealings
with women...?
suryasukra: yes

suryasukra: okey

Mark Kincaid: do you feel, in some way, at loss, with them...?

Mark Kincaid: why?

Mark Kincaid: how do you experience this....?

Mark Kincaid: perhaps..

Mark Kincaid: but C: look within..

Mark Kincaid: and let your inner self, I, voice guide you..

Mark Kincaid: what has your experience been?

suryasukra: lack of warm

Mark Kincaid: why do yu relate to this lack?

Mark Kincaid: and that way he can learn himself...

Mark Kincaid: hehe

suryasukra: perhaps it is Venus in Aries

Mark Kincaid: but remember..Venus

Mark Kincaid: is in the house of loss..

Mark Kincaid: so, you may be feeling that in terms of a lack of warmth...

Mark Kincaid: as you said..

Mark Kincaid: would you also say that you've gotten, less love...or warmth from women in
the past?

suryasukra: yes

Mark Kincaid: partly this is due to Venus being in Aries,..which is not the best sign for
Venus but also in the 12th so at loss to love... to Venus and to love... So, the embodiments
of love..... or Venus or women for you... don't feel to love you the way you would like..

Mark Kincaid: But the thing to look at is:

Mark Kincaid: the house

Mark Kincaid: and the sign...

Mark Kincaid: both of these could be symbolic of some malefic possiblitity

suryasukra: very good

Mark Kincaid: Venus in Aries people in general... have too much fire or doing, or
movement in their Venus hearts...

Mark Kincaid: and either they go too fast..

Mark Kincaid: which is sooo Arish...

Mark Kincaid: or are too aggressive...

Mark Kincaid: or as you said...devoid of enough genuine Venus warmth...

Mark Kincaid: when you meet people with better Venus' they excude such softness, love

Mark Kincaid: and even warmth..

Mark Kincaid: and that shows us that we could improve ourselves and Venus' by improving
our own Venus natures....

Mark Kincaid: So, tell us, too... have you gone too fast in relationships before...?

Mark Kincaid: what else does Venus in Aries mean for you.....?

suryasukra: I writed a poem recently to someone

Mark Kincaid: yes...?

Mark Kincaid: and what happened...?

blulisan: nice

suryasukra: the writed the 23 of october, but perhaps I give next week to she

Mark Kincaid: I meant how did you experience your Venus in Aries before in past
relationships..

Mark Kincaid: what happened in your previous relationships...?

Mark Kincaid: did you go too fast...?

Mark Kincaid: pick the wrong type of person's...?

Mark Kincaid: find yourself with women who weren't very loving...?

Mark Kincaid: what? exactly...?

Mark Kincaid: our direct experiences are natures' way

suryasukra: very much, occult, hidden relationships

Mark Kincaid: of showing us how we're doing....

Mark Kincaid: what do you mean...?

suryasukra: haved scorpio ascendant

Mark Kincaid: I see...

Mark Kincaid: well, remember,....

Mark Kincaid: you have a Taurus rising...

Mark Kincaid: which means scorpio in your 7th house..

Mark Kincaid: so something about Scorpio may appeal to you..

Mark Kincaid: in terms of compatibity I mean..

Mark Kincaid: i'll give you an example...

Mark Kincaid: I have a libra rising...

Mark Kincaid: so aries is the energy of my 7th house..

suryasukra: yes

Mark Kincaid: which is quite opposite...really to the Venus ruled Libra or Taurus rising..

Mark Kincaid: but I've always liked strong, dynamic, perky kind of girls..

Mark Kincaid: my chart taught me where that is...

Mark Kincaid: due to Aries there..

Mark Kincaid: so, your Scorpio, within your 7th attracts you to these types..

Mark Kincaid: but remember..

Mark Kincaid: your Mars..ruler of Scorpio is in Cancer..

Mark Kincaid: so you're not a real fiery Mars person yourself..

Mark Kincaid: so one of your comptibilities is to find a woman who has some nice scorpio
flavors but not too much..

Mark Kincaid: i recently found a delightful woman who has her Mars in Cancer too...

suryasukra: scorpio is pitta

Mark Kincaid: and that fits both of so much more..

Mark Kincaid: I used to be attracted to all kinds of butchy type of women..

Mark Kincaid: and then find after awhile I didn't really like them!

Mark Kincaid: and I could figure out why...

Mark Kincaid: until I realized my chart, literally attracted me to thiese types because

Mark Kincaid: of my Aries there...

Mark Kincaid: and yet my Mars in Cancer, couldnt stand real stong women!

Mark Kincaid: also, rmemver your Venus in Aries also means a strong type of woman!

suryasukra: ah, already

Mark Kincaid: So, focus too on developing more Venus love,...

Mark Kincaid: within yourself..

Mark Kincaid: that'll help your Venus in teh 12th...

Mark Kincaid: you also can work on trying to understand exactly more what Venus in Aries
means...

suryasukra: yes

Mark Kincaid: and there may be a lesson there for you too...

Mark Kincaid: not going too fast..

Mark Kincaid: or not being too aggressive...

Mark Kincaid: whatever..

Mark Kincaid: but look within..and tell me sometime....what comes to you......

Mark Kincaid: we're teaching a course too that starts in a few days...

Mark Kincaid: and I'd like to invite you....

suryasukra: thank you

Mark Kincaid: if youre interested check it out at:

Mark Kincaid: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturesAstrology-ForMasteryofLife/

Mark Kincaid: Normally, my courses run about 100-200 $

Mark Kincaid: but right now, I'm offering my courses and charts for donations only

Mark Kincaid: So, many people are suffering financially....

suryasukra: okey

-suryasukra how is your relationship to your mother if i can ask

-or between yout mother and father

suryasukra: very much discipline

- and your father?

suryasukra: too

- is your mother the chief in your house?

suryasukra: my mother want me very much

suryasukra: not

- i think you are attracted to powerful women in a way, subconsciously

suryasukra: is equal, a balance

- but being powerful has two faces

Mark Kincaid: yes, is right.

- i think seeing your chart you are a romantic person

Mark Kincaid: remember what we said about your Scorpio in the 7th and Venus in Aries
both energies will attract strong women...

- but the way you manifest externaly is not the best

Mark Kincaid: but, with Mars in Cancer,..that represents a softer type of person than the
typical scorpio or Aries person!

suryasukra: To 12 of Octuber begin to take more responsability of my life

Mark Kincaid: so, got to go...

Mark Kincaid: but C: reflect more on this spiriutal nature that you are...

Mark Kincaid: and allow yourself to desire...really a person, a potential spouse who too is
very spiritual..

suryasukra: separate spiritual life of a worldly

Mark Kincaid: know also, that with your 2 most important plaents Saturn and moon both in
Leo..

Mark Kincaid: that means something important for you too...

Mark Kincaid: Leo's tend to like being the boss!

Mark Kincaid: so, you want someone who will respect and appreciate you

Mark Kincaid: espeically for your leadership tendencies...

Mark Kincaid: especially...also, your Sun in Aries is very leadership oriented...

suryasukra: okey

Mark Kincaid: leadership in the spiritual too..

Mark Kincaid: so, keep focusing on your spiritual goals...

Mark Kincaid: and we can talk more and more about refining your spouse match

Mark Kincaid: both in terms of compatibility

Mark Kincaid: and in improving skill!

Mark Kincaid: okay, Rodriquez...

Mark Kincaid: very nice talking with you today....

suryasukra: yes

Mark Kincaid: Are you in my largest group...

Mark Kincaid: of nature's astrology?

suryasukra: yes

Mark Kincaid: you can continue communicating with us through that group

Mark Kincaid: send any questions etc comments throught the group and I'll respond there
too...

suryasukra: clear

suryasukra: To the next sunday, then

Mark Kincaid: oklay bye all...