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(CONFERENCE CALL INITIATED) MALE PARTICIPANT: Operations Officer. I This is a Headquarters wanting to

have Chuck

Casto

come up on the bridge. BRUCE: Put him up, please. Thank you.

MALE PARTICIPANT: CHUCK CASTO: BRUCE: Chuck. CHUCK CASTO: BRUCE: Yes, It it is is, Are

Good morning. you there? This is Bruce,

a good morning for us. and very early, too.

1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 2 is whether Bill minute?

CHUCK CASTO:

Yes.

Can we just talk for a

BRUCE:

Yes,

sir. Is there anything I should

CHUCK CASTO: do or be aware of? BRUCE: Borchardt of

All we can say is been before and

the Chairman and Houses, both

have

both

portions

the Congress, So,

just got

grilled on a

lot of things.

we don't know what actually will

come back to us with that regard. But one question that Eliot has been asked we have any people onsite. in Tokyo. And I

understand that everybody with you is CHUCK CASTO: Yes,

that's one of my goals

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307 today, 2 3 is we're supposed to be able to get to the

regulators'

EOC today,

and we're trying to get

to the

EOC for TEPCO. MALE PARTICIPANT: What's the time on that

5 6 7

one? BRUCE: Where are those, Chuck? We don't know where they're

CHUCK CASTO: at.

9 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 2 21 22 23 24 2 miles. working on, site.

BRUCE:

Are they closer to the site? Yes, they're closer to the

CHUCK CASTO:

BRUCE:

Outside of Tokyo? Yes. And I'm trying to get I've

CHUCK CASTO:

to the site, but I just don't know how to do it. got to figure that out today. BRUCE: we're Okay. trying

The other thing that we're to get a little better

release information and projections, We can do that for 50 miles.

dose projections. for

And we're looking -to

something beyond that, FEMALE

and that's (inaudible) One hundred

PARTICIPANT:

200

CHUCK CASTO: BRUCE: CHUCK Yes? CASTO:

Hey,

Bruce?

Just

for

you

and

to

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308 brainstorm, I came, I guess, to the conclusion this This of

morning that this has really overwhelmed TEPCO. is a national emergency for them, and it's

sort

like BP and the oil spill. for TEPCO. BRUCE:

You know,

this is

too big

And that's understandable.

BRUCE: Do you

No,

I don't think so. Chuck, that we made the

know,

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recommendation

that

U.S.

citizens

be

evacuated

from

within 50 miles of the site? CHUCK yesterday. CASTO: Yes, we worked on that

That was chaos.

6
7 8 9 10 11 12 :13 14 15 16 17

18
19
20 21 22 23 24 25 receptive It to us, looks like TEPCO is being much more that they

to John and Tim and those guys So,

are putting together mitigative strategies. seem to be more receptive to advice and help. BRUCE: might be overwhelmed. Well, I can understand

how they

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310 I CHUCK CASTO: So, when you talk to Bill

5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 don't know CHUCK CASTO: how much

but

You know, know

Naval Reactors, what

you
--

about

happened

yesterday on that,

BRUCE:

A little

bit.

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16 first --

CHUCK CASTO: suggested, there. BRUCE: Okay. you know,

But they were the ones that need to cross the line

they

CHUCK CASTO: we're here. I

So,

anyhow,

I guess

11l -to get a

don't know if

you know how

hold of me or us here. BRUCE: FEMALE liaison numbers, team has Somebody knows. PARTICIPANT: everybody's Yes. numbers, I think cell the

phone

and stuff. MALE PARTICIPANT: We have his BlackBerry

number of here. FEMALE PARTICIPANT: BRUCE: I'm BlackBerry numbers. This is my

getting a yes.

17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 2 land line, is. It

CHUCK CASTO:
BRUCE: -shift,

Shift?
yes. So, I'm
--

CHUCK CASTO: but I

I'm

talking

to

you

off

have no idea what

the phone number

ends inI M.J.: That's okay. I know, in This is M.J. I We've the

got your numbers, liaison We've team has

the back. we've and got get

think

them to

and

them Jim

around. and Tony

been

able

reach

out

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312 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 IC 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 2 21 22 23 24 25 suggested (inaudible) think what we get -whenever we need. CHUCK CASTO: I think we What I'll do is, have three as soon as this

briefings TEPCO. each of

morning. soon as

We have more meetings with I get those briefings, I'll

And as those

briefings,

M.J.

and Bruce,

call you and give you

a download on that. But I think what we're waiting on is, waiting to on the is, what is DoD's I

we're with

capability

regard

request

for resources they

that we sent in

last night?

I think, last I saw,

said they could get back to us in

eight hours and tell

us how much of that stuff they can get done. M.J.: talking about? CHUCK CASTO: the pumping systems. M.J.: got that. Okay. Yes, I know, I think Yes, the equipment list and That's that equipment list you're

I know that effort is The other thing is going to need a

ongoing. somebody to

CHUCK CASTO: that they're

sea boom

protect the suction of that -Didn't you suggest that? that we sent in,

I think it

was Richard.

That along with that design

that they are probably going to need the suction as well. I don't

a sea boom to protect

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313 1 2 3 know. happen. VONNA ORDAZ: How are you? CHUCK CASTO: 6 7 8 9 IC 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 is harm's way, VONNA ORDAZ: Good. Question: you mentioned you Chuck, this is Vonna Ordaz. You know, we'll see if they can make that

were heading to the site or trying to get to the site? CHUCK CASTO: VONNA ORDAZ: Yes. Are you familiar with the

doses around the (inaudible)? CHUCK CASTO: Yes. Yes, I think ECO, what where of

we're talking about the site is they're working out of that is

the local not in

that

kind

dose field. VONNA ORDAZ: Okay. Don't put yourself in

MALE PARTICIPANT: Chuck. CHUCK CASTO: considered a site; VONNA that is to the -CHUCK CASTO: it at. is. We're still But, you know, No, it's Yes,

I think, you know,

that

at 'the EOC, You don't

the local EOC. know how close

ORDAZ:

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314 I 2 3 4 Headquarters 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 .16 17 18 19 20 21 2 23 give to get him? BRUCE: Yes, he is. Yes, I'm on the bridge. All right. I'm going to just a This is talking, is. Somebody is And doing that this morning. it looks like, the way TEPCO their EOC. is the is

I'm hoping that they'll put us in MALE PARTICIPANT: This

Ops Officer.

We have Bill Borchardt and

the Chairman coming up on the bridge. BRUCE: BILL Bill. MALE PARTICIPANT: BILL BORCHARDT: Is Hi, Chairman. Okay. BORCHARDT: Good afternoon. Hi.

The Chairman's with me. or is it possible

Chuck on the bridge,

CHUCK CASTO:

BILL BORCHARDT: the phone here to

the Chairman

who has

couple of questions. CHUCK CASTO: Okay. Hello. Chuck Casto Hey, Chuck. Hey,

NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: CHUCK CASTO: NRC CHAIRMAN can you just -in any way, Yes,

sir?

JACZKO:

and I don't want you to interpret this

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315 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 1 13 14 1 16 17 18 19 2C 21 22 23 24 25 progress TEPCO is on to, well, got TEPCO. NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: CHUCK CASTO: us Okay. Government. CHUCK CASTO: Which information? TEPCO -Okay.
--

Mainly,

our source of information is

NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: CHUCK CASTO: I

and

Conti,

the

We're embedded,

think we're doing 24/7

with their Government meeting. NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: pool indications, team in Japan? So, the spent-fuel I would say, our

that's coming from,

Would that be acceptable? CASTO: Yes, they're coming from

CHUCK

They've been more receptive the cooling system, to DoD, and and

and designing in on

we've

requests

the equipment

they're getting back with how much equipment they can get in here. They've already, I understand that

they've started to move those big four pumps the site. NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: CHUCK CASTO: getting I So, you're -that and

towards

think

we're making suggestions.

involvement

reaching out to us now on the designs of the systems. And John and all the guys are

mitigating

putting together a design,

and we're working on it.

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12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: CHUCK CASTO: NRC just to repeat, believe one of CHAIRMAN Yes.

That you can imagine. JACZKO: Yes. 4 is is So, dry, again, and we

we believe pool No. the other pools

potentially

structurally damaged? CHUCK CASTO: That's correct. Okay. And again

--

NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: CHUCK CASTO:

That's the best we know. Yes. certainly 4, know, I the

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317 NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: CHUCK CASTO: -Okay. 4. because that

on pool No.

NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: I'm going to get asked the

And again,

question,

where's

coming from. E is in Japan

I'm going to say it's that is embedded that is

from a team that working closely

with the Japanese utility agency, is that correct? CHUCK CASTO:

and the Japanese regulatory

IC

Correct. Okay. That's all I

NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: 11 12 13 need. BRUCE: Chuck,

before you go -Yes?

CHUCK CASTO: BRUCE: --

you indicated that the walls of

15 1 19 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25

the pool were damaged or down? CHUCK CASTO: Yes. I'm not going to get

NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: into that level of detail. is it's dry. CHUCK CASTO: inventory at all. NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: you. I appreciate it. CHUCK CASTO: MALE Yes, Yes,

I mean the relevant factor

and they can't maintain

Okay.

Good.

Thank

sir. Chuck, we got a

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318 1 2 3 4 hours ago. 6 7 8 9 10 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 consistent. were told, dropped off. MALE PARTICIPANT: But it's okay because But the the CHUCK CASTO: Chairman that Well, then, that's I need to tell not what we briefing before from Tony and John, and they indicated

that there was structural integrity to the core pool. CHUCK CASTO: MALE When was that? That was about four

PARTICIPANT:

because

understood just a few hours ago. MALE PARTICIPANT: Yes, we relayed that

information after we got it CHUCK CASTO: MALE Is

from your team. the Chairman still No. I think on? he's

PARTICIPANT:

he's not going to get into that level of detail. we just need to be careful about consistency I know it's in

assessment of change, too.

the information.

going to

CHUCK

CASTO:

Yes,

well,

we

were

That's what we heard;

that's the last we

that the walls were not there. MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. Because our

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319 1 2 3 at sand or something else like that? CHUCK CASTO: all yesterday. We were No, we didn't suggest that

The Reactor still

Safety Team suggested with water on all

the sand. four pools.

working

And, 7 Let's prepare moving. 9

10

then,

said

let's

go

both

ways.

for water and sand,

get both solutions

MALE we had was that

PARTICIPANT: there was

So,

the latest update to the 4 pool,

integrity

although it 111 12 13

had drained or evaporated. CHUCK CASTO: FEMALE Dry? Bill, what did you

PARTICIPANT:

receive from Jim? MALE PARTICIPANT: 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 2E

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in

the room,

too,

Chuck. PARTICIPANT: He's been on the

FEMALE phone with Jim. BILL

RUAN

(phonetic):

Okay.

just

talked to Jim Trapp. background from. of where

And let me try to give you the some of this information comes

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And he basically,

CHUCK 7 8 9 that's what I was

CASTO;

Yes,

they

can't You

keep

--

told last

night.

cannot

get

inventory above the bottom of the fuel. BILL RUAN: No. What Jim told me

11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 is gone, And basically, and at least in his opinion, everything else and, of course, pool left. CHUCK CASTO: BILL RUAN: Right. Unit 3, he believes CHUCK CASTO: So, it's drained.

MALE PARTICIPANT: CHUCK CASTO: BILL RUAN: CHUCK CASTO: you can't get water in BILL RUAN: it. Yes,

Right.

Right. Yes. Right, right. I was saying,

That's what

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321 the pool. 2 3 FEMALE PARTICIPANT: BILL RUAN: Unit 2, you that hole. CHUCK CASTO: BILL RUAN: 10 11
12

Unit 3?

Unit 3. it's drying out. now, that If hole that

he believes

look at

the top of

the building

they created,

there's

steam coming out of

It's

in

dryout. out. might be

They're drying it the only pool

And, okay is Unit 1.

In

then,

that

our

discussion

--

and,

Chuck,

hope

13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 2 2

you're doing well,

by the way

--

what we don't know is

what Jim told me was Daiene has declared an emergency on Unit, they've declared an evacuation. So, maybe you triage this thing and try to

help them maintain those units. CHUCK CASTO:

Borchardt is still on, but

Well,
--

I don't know if

Bill

MALE PARTICIPANT: CHUCK yesterday about get CASTO:

No, he's not. There was 3, some talk to in

trying to get, so

on Unit

trying

that hole bigger,

that we can push water

there from the outside. MALE PARTICIPANT: Right.

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322 1 2 3 4 2, the CHUCK CASTO: make that hole bigger, outside. I don't You know, yes, Unit 2. Unit

so they can push water from know how you make the hole

bigger, but they need to take the top of that building down. MALE PARTICIPANT: Well, we have some

ideas. FEMALE PARTICIPANT: What's the proximity

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of Daiene to

--

MALE PARTICIPANT: like right up there. FEMALE PARTICIPANT: MALE PARTICIPANT: Daiene. MALE PARTICIPANT: MALE PARTICIPANT:

It's

north.

Yes,

it's

Oh,

it's

close. Daiichi; that's

This is

Yes. -You know, as Jim has

pointed out, when you do your calculations nuclear engineering degree, know, what's the dose

to get your

you do your radiation, you for the single fuel

rate

assembly?

You know,

you get like a million R an hour.

And we've got how many fuel assemblies? BRUCE: Hey, Chuck? Yes? of the questions that we've and

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looked like there were a lot of attempts to try to And so, we've heard in

get power back to the site. one instance sites; others,

that they've got the power line back to that they're still CASTO: I've Yes, heard. working on it. we don't The have any

CHUCK on

that

only

thing,

I mean it's

always helpful to get power back. it's really just not going to

But my understanding is do any good. BRUCE: CHUCK switchgear damage. Yes.

CASTO: In

In

some

cases,

there's

other cases,

you can't get in

there to do anything anyhow. BRUCE: CHUCK You Okay. CASTO: can't You know, you breakers can't or

manipulate but not,

power is

helpful,

you know --

power will help up at the other one. MALE PARTICIPANT: CHUCK CASTO: certainly, Because but Daiene. The power will help going to help at

Daiene. it's not

Daiichi. power if

there's

nothing you

could do with

you had it. MALE PARTICIPANT: NEAL R.GROSS

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